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Sannu kowa da kowa, hakika babban girmamawa
ne a tsaya a nan a gabanku. Na gode, Ivo.

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Ina ganin yana da kyau sosai kasancewa anan a
yau. Koyaushe yana da kyau kasancewa a

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wurin da ya dace a daidai lokacin, ko ba haka ba?

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Sau da yawa na kasance a wuri ba daidai ba a lokaci ba
daidai ba. Idan ƙananan haɗarin mota suka faru,

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yawanci kana faɗa wa kanka, "Oh, da dai na tuka mota daban."

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Amma a yau kawai ina jin cewa wannan shi ne wuri da lokaci da
suka dace kwata-kwata. Kuma gabaɗaya, ina jin wani irin—watakila

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kai ma ka san wannan jin—kamar lokacin sanyi ya
ƙare kuma akwai iska mai ɗumi ta bazara a cikin

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iska, waɗannan ranakun farko masu ɗumi a watan Maris.

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Ina jin wani abu a cikina cewa mu, a matsayin ɗan
adam, a matsayin mutane, za mu amfana daga canji.

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Kwanan nan na sake zuwa Vienna – wani lokaci
nakan je can saboda kasuwanci – kuma na yi

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yawo a tituna sannan na ziyarci Majalisar Dokoki.

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Kuma akwai hotunan kai na masu kafa jamhuriyar da suka ayyana
Jamhuriyar Ostiriya. Kuma ta wata hanya hakan ya taɓa zuciyata

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sosai har na yi tunanin, watakila a wancan lokacin – bana son yin
hukunci yanzu, sanarwar Jamhuriyar Ostiriya ba ita ce batun ba –

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amma watakila a lokacin, lokacin da suke yaƙi don hakan ko duk
abin da ya motsa su, watakila ba su yi tunanin cewa

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za a taɓa kai ga wannan ba, cewa za ta taɓa samun
nasara, cewa irin wannan duniya daban za ta taɓa yiwuwa.

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Sannan a ƙarshe suka ƙare a matsayin gazawa.

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Ina fatan babu ɗayanmu da zai ƙare a matsayin gazawa, amma duk
muna samun damar fuskantar wannan sabon duniya. Muna samun damar

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fuskantar wannan canjin da Christoph Hörstel ya ambata. Ba
wai kawai mu tattauna shi ba, ba wai kawai mu mafarki ba, amma

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mu sami damar fuskantar sa – cewa wannan canjin yana faruwa.

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Eh. Taken gabatarwata shi ne: "Riba
kan bashi: abin da ya kamata ka sani!"

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Wataƙila kana jin irin yadda nake ji koyaushe lokacin ina ƙarami
– ko da na aro kuɗi ne kawai don ice cream, ko

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da kuwa Deutschmark ɗaya ne a wancan lokacin –
kullum ina matuƙar farin ciki idan na biya bashin.

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Har yanzu haka yake a yau, ko da kuwa euro goma ne kawai. Na
ji sauƙi ƙwarai lokacin da na ƙarshe na biya wannan bashi wawa.

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Shin akwai wani da yake jin haka? Ba na kadaici gaba ɗaya, okay.

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To, ka san yadda ake ji. Abin mamaki ne
kawai a iya rayuwa ba tare da bashi ba.

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'Yan siyasa namu, shugabannin kasuwanci, ministocin kudi
da shugabannin gwamnati suna da ra'ayi daban game da bashi.

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Idan ka kalli yadda bashin ƙasa ke ƙaruwa, za ka
yi tunanin cewa yanzu ana ɗaukar kasancewa cikin

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bashi a matsayin alamar kyakkyawar tattalin arziki.

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Kuma game da biyan bashi – ban sani ba,
ba a ma tattauna batun biyan bashi ba.

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Abin da nake ji koyaushe shi ne sabbin
bashi da ƙarin ribar da dole a biya, amma ba na

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jin ko ɗaya game da yadda za a biya shi ba.

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Na kawo jadawali don ba ku hangen nesa na farko. A yau, mun riga
mun tattauna batutuwan Turai da ƙasashen

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duniya, da kuma bashi da tsarin kuɗi. Nawa ne
ainihin bashin da ƙasashe ke da shi? A Turai, misali.

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Kuma na bayyana hakan – ta amfani da ƙididdiga na
hukuma daga Babban Bankin Kuɗi na Duniya – rabo na bashi

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dangane da jimillar samar da kayayyaki na cikin gida.

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Jimillar kayayyakin cikin gida ita ce adadin dukkan
kayayyaki da ayyuka da aka samar a cikin wata ƙasa.

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Komai da ake samarwa a can, duk ayyukan da ake
yi, ana rubuta su a can, kuma ana bayyana

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ainihin matsayin basussukan da wannan ƙasa ke da su.

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Kuma na yi amfani da 'yancina wajen yin kimantawa.

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Daraja da ke cewa "ba shi da bashi" ita ce
kore mai duhu a gare ni. Zan iya cewa nan

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take babu wata ƙasa mai kore mai duhu a Turai.

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Na taɓa tunanin "10%", don haka idan ƙasa tana da
bashi na kashi 10% dangane da abin da take samu a shekara,

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sai na kira shi kore mai haske kuma na yi masa alama.

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A gare ni, "10 zuwa 25%" rawaya ce, "25 zuwa
75%" ja ce, kuma "fiye da 75%" ja mai duhu ce.

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Bari in nuna yadda nake kimanta wannan.

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Ka yi tunanin ka biya dukkan kuɗaɗen ka na wata guda,
amma ba ka karɓi albashinka ba; maimakon haka, an

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tura shi kai tsaye zuwa banki domin biyan bashin ƙasa.

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Idan ka yi haka na wata guda, amma a lokaci guda kana biyan haya,
biyan kudin man fetur, biyan kudin siyayya, biyan kudin kaya da

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kayan sawa, kuma ma'aikacin tashar man fetur ko
mai haya na tashar man fetur ya yi haka ma, zai

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karɓi kuɗinka, amma kuma zai mika shi ga banki.

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Idan ka yi hakan a matsayin tsari – muna son mu
kawar da basussukanmu cikin sauri – to za ka iya

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biyan kashi 8% a wata guda ta hanyar rashin komai.

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Kuma daga haka na samo launuka, na ce, to, har yanzu zan
iya tunanin cewa irin wannan al'umma za su iya yin hakan.

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Na ce rawaya, to, wata ɗaya zuwa uku, watakila ba a samu
yaƙin basasa ba tukuna idan duk kuɗin ya tafi bankuna.

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Amma yanzu ban tabbata ko mu a Jamus za mu ƙare cikin yaƙin
basasa ko shari'ar hannun mutane ko duk abin

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da zai kasance ba, idan kullum sai mu mika
kuɗin da muka samu domin faranta wa bankuna rai.

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Don haka mu duba ƙasashe mu ga yadda Turai, Turai ɗinmu da muke
ƙauna, take: Portugal 124% bashin ƙasa, Spain 97%, Faransa 92%,

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Babban Birtaniya 93%, Ireland 119%, Italiya 128%, da
sauransu. Luxembourg na 25%, wanda a zahiri har yanzu yana da

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kyau sosai – ina lilo a nan – kusan duk ƙasashe ja ne kawai.

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Muna da Bulugariya da kashi 16%, wanda zan koma akai daga baya,
da Turkiyya. Wasu kaɗan ba su nan, duk yankin

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Scandinavia. Estonia, da bashin ƙasa na kashi 10%, ma ta
fito fili, haka nan Georgia, Armenia da Azerbaijan.

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Sannan akwai babban bær, Rasha, da bashin
ƙasa na kashi 10%, kore, kore mai haske, ba kore

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mai duhu ba, amma duk da haka kore mai haske.

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Gaskiya, da ni ne ke da alhakin hakan, zan ji kunya.

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Domin a gaskiya ... yawanci ba ka rayuwa haka. Ba
ka rayuwa da bashi sannan ka yi alfahari da shi ma.

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Amma za mu koma kan wannan daga baya lokacin da
za mu amsa tambayar, shin koyaushe haka yake?

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Ana iya kuma ɗauka cewa, to, watakila a da ya kasance daban,
kuma watakila haka yake yanzu ma; shin wannan na da alaƙa da

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rikicin tattalin arzikin shekarar 2008? Mu sake duba ci gaban.

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Amma da farko, mu sake duba dukan duniya.

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Kasa da ƙasashe kaɗan ne ba su da bashi; 171
daga cikin ƙasashe 173 da IMF ta rufe suna da

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bashi a halin yanzu. Kaɗan ne masu kore mai duhu.

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Mun riga mun tattauna game da ƙasar, zan koma gare ta.

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Yana da wahala a gani, ba zan iya riƙe hannuna
cikin kwanciyar hankali ba, Kuwait har yanzu kore ne,

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ba kowa ne zai san Brunei ba, Malaysia tana kore.

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Kuma sauran suna da bashi a wani salo ko wani, aƙalla launin kore
mai haske, wanda har yanzu ana yarda da shi;

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za mu iya ganin Iran a nan. Amma sauran suna
ja, daga ja zuwa ja mai zurfi a cikin bashi.

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Kuma abin da ba daɗi game da bashi
shi ne cewa ana samun riba a kansa.

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Yanzu tambaya ta taso: wa ne a zahiri ke biyan ribar bashi?

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Don amsa wannan tambayar, ina so in yi nazari kan rukuni uku.

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Rukuni na 1 ya ƙunshi gidajen masu zaman kansu,

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Rukuni na 2: Kamfanoni

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da Rukuni na 3 jihar.

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Rukuni na 1 shi ne kai, misali, lokacin da ka je
banki ka ɗauki rance don biyan sabuwar motarka mai tsada.

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A wannan yanayin, al'amarin a zahiri yana da
matuƙar bayyane. Kai ne ke da alhakin ribar bashin.

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Don haka yanzu za ka yi aiki tuƙuru don
samun kuɗi, domin ka biya basussukanka.

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Duk da haka, za ka iya kuma cewa, ina ja da baya daga
wannan haukan bashi, ba zan karɓi wani bashi ko lamuni ba.

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Ba na son yin sharhi kan hakan a wannan lokaci.

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Amma ka yi la'akari da wannan: Shin za ka iya tserewa
daga wannan shawarar ta kashin kai, wannan tsarin bashi?

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Mu duba Rukuni na 2, kamfanoni.

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A gare ni, ina so in gabatar maka da wani
kamfanin noma da ke noman hatsi, da sauran abubuwa.

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Manomi ya sayi sabon tirkta mai wayo.

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Ya ba da kudin ta hanyar banki, don haka riba na taruwa.

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Idan muka duba yanzu yanayin kasafin kudi na wannan
kasuwancin noma, a gefe guda muna da kuɗaɗen

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ma'aikata na mataimakin manomi da ke taimaka wa manomi.

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A gefe guda kuma, muna da farashin kayan. Wannan na iya
zama man dizal na tirketa ko, kamar yadda aka nuna a nan, iri.

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Kuma, kamar yadda aka riga aka ambata, na uku muna da kuɗin ruwa.

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Wannan kasuwancin noma zai mika duk waɗannan
kuɗaɗen guda uku a matsayin jimillar kuɗaɗe a

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cikin farashin sayar da hatsi – ga mai sayen hatsi.

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A gare ni, mai sayen hatsi shi ne masana'antar nika hatsi.
Ana nika hatsin zuwa garin alkama a masana'antar nika hatsi.

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Kuma don nika hatsi zuwa garin alkama,
ana bukatar ma'aikata masu ƙwazo anan ma.

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An kuma ɗauka cewa fasahar injinan
masana'antar nika da kanta an kuma ba da kuɗi daga banki.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa za a caje riba a wannan yanayin ma.

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Mu duba halin da ake ciki na farashi a nan masana'anta ma.

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Sannan muna da kuɗin ma'aikata masu aiki
tukuru, muna da kuɗin kayan aiki, wato hatsi

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daga gona, kuma muna da kuɗin ribar injin nika.

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A matsayina na mai yin burodi, ina sayen
garin alkama na daga wannan nika, kuma nika zai

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kuma hada wannan kudin kayan cikin farashin.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa, a matsayina na mai gasa burodi mai kula
da muhalli, ina sayen garin alkama daga masana'antar nika kuma

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ina da mataimaka masu aiki tuƙuru waɗanda ke
taimaka mini juya shi zuwa burodi da ƙananan burodi,

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waɗanda daga baya nake sayarwa ga kwastomomina.

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Saboda ƙimar ruwa a banki ta yi ƙasa
sosai a yanzu, na sayi sabuwar murhu.

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Kuma hakan, tabbas, yana kuma haifar da kudin ruwa.

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Mu duba yanayin farashi a gidan burodi na.

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Sannan ina da kuɗaɗen ma'aikata ga mataimakan gidan burodi na,
ina kuma da kuɗaɗen kayan aiki, na sayi

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fulawa daga nika, sannan ina da kuɗaɗen ribar
bashi, wato na murhun zamani mai kyau da na saya.

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Ni ma zan ƙididdige farashin burodi da ƙananan burodi na
ta yadda waɗannan farashi uku za su bayyana a cikinsa:

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Kudin ma'aikata na, kudin kayan aiki na da kudin ruwa na.

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Kuma ina watsawa wannan ga mai amfani
na ƙarshe a cikin farashi. Kuma mu ne.

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Bari in taƙaita a taƙaitaccen bayani:

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Kasuwancin noma zai mika kuɗin ruwa na bashin
sa, tare da kuɗin ma'aikata da kayan aiki, ga

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mai sayen hatsi a cikin farashin sayar da hatsi.

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Kamfanin niƙa hatsi zai ƙara kuɗin
sha'awarsa tare da kuɗaɗen kayan aiki da na

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ma'aikata a cikin farashin siyar da garin alkama.

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Kuma a matsayin mai gasa burodi, ni ma ina yin
haka: ina watsa kudin ruwa na, tare da kudin ma'aikata

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da na kayan aiki, cikin farashin burodi a kasuwa.

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Mu ne muke biyan duk wannan. Wannan yana nufin cewa mu, a
matsayin masu amfani na ƙarshe, muna biyan dukkan kuɗaɗen sarkar

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daraja, ciki har da duk kuɗaɗen ruwa. Kuma haka yake a ko'ina.

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Ko ka yi ajiyar tafiya ta hutu ko ka biya mota da kuɗi a hannu,
kana biya banki riba aƙalla ta wata hanya –

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ko da ka sayi ice cream, akwai kuɗin riba
da ake ciki kuma waɗannan suna zuwa banki.

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Gabaɗaya, muna biyan komai da muka saya, kowace takardar biyan
kuɗi da muka biya, ko kaya ne na sutura, abinci, hutu,

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motoci, kayan kiɗa, ba shi da muhimmanci, kuɗin membobin
ƙungiya – muna biyan kuɗin ribar da ke cikin sarkar daraja.

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Kuma za ka iya ƙididdige hakan. Wannan adadi ne da
matsakaicinsa bai ƙasa da kashi 40% na farashin saye ba.

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Idan yanzu kana mamakin ko kai ne mai nasara ko mai
hasara, bari in yi maka bayani ta yadda zai yi ma

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ma'ana. Kashi 40% na farashin saye – me hakan ke nufi?

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Don haka za ka iya lissafinsa da kanka. Idan
ka san kuɗaɗen kashewa na wata-wata, mu ce suna

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kai euro 2,000, to kashi 40% zai kai euro 800.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa kana biyan €800 ba
kai tsaye ba, ko kuma kai tsaye, ga banki.

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Idan aka ƙididdige shi a tsawon shekara, hakan ya kai euro 9,600.

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Yanzu abin da kawai kake bukatar yi shi ne ka ɗauki bayanin
asusun bankinka a ƙarshen shekara, inda ake nuna ribar bashi.

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Sa'an nan za ka iya duba ka gani ko
za ka iya samun euro 9,600 a can.

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Kuma idan ka sami adadi mafi girma, to kai ne mai nasara, kuma
idan ka sami adadi mafi ƙanƙanta – nawa kuwa ya yi

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ƙasa ƙwarai, ban yi tsammanin zan sake samun bayanai
kan ribar ba – to kai ne mai hasara a wannan tsarin.

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Amma ba wannan kadai ba ne. Jihar ma
tana kara yin bashi don bin muradunta.

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Kuma kuna biyan wannan ribar kan
bashin ma – a cikin siffar haraji da caji.

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Don haka, yana da amfani mu duba wannan tsarin
jiha, wanda muka riga mun ji ɗan kaɗan game da shi

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a cikin darasin – kamar yadda ka riga ka ambata.

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Yaya yake idan jiha ta shiga bashi?

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A Jamus, kusan kashi biyu bisa uku na jimillar bashi ana
ɗaukar su ne ta hannun gwamnatin Jamus a matsayin rance

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daga bankuna masu zaman kansu da cibiyoyin ba da bashi.

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Kuma ɗaya bisa uku a cikin takardun bashi na
gwamnati. Biyu bisa uku! Ta yaya yake yin hakan?

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Ina bankuna ke samun kudinsu? A taƙaice, mun riga mun ji kalmar:
kudi na fiat. Ana ba bankuna izinin fitar da kudi na littafi.

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Jihar ta ba bankuna izinin yin
abubuwa masu zuwa: kuna iya ƙirƙirar kuɗi.

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A ka'ida, idan aka faɗi daidai, na'urar
buga kuɗi ce. Ana ba bankuna izinin buga kuɗi.

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Amfanin kuɗin littafi guda ɗaya shi ne cewa ba ka ma
buƙatar injin buga takardu ko na'urorin ƙera tsabar kuɗi.

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Ka ajiye kudi kuma ana ba ka izinin ƙirƙirar kudi.

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Sa'an nan gwamnati ta zo ta ce, "Yay, ina
buƙatar kuɗi," ta ɗauki bashi, ta biya shi da ruwa.

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To, ban sani ba, amma a gare ni
hakan na iya zama yarjejeniya mara kyau.

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Don a bayyana shi da kyau – na ƙara ƙaramin
jakar kuɗi – gwamnati tana ba bankuna kuɗi, don

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su iya ɗaukar sa a matsayin bashi su biya riba.

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Kuma ina ganin cewa wataƙila za ka
iya sarrafa kuɗinka mafi kyau ta haka.

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Kuma yanzu, kamar yadda aka yi alkawari, bashin gwamnati.

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Shin wannan yanzu matsala ce mai ɗorewa, ko har yanzu
akwai damar canji – menene ainihin yanayin bashin gwamnati?

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Mu duba wannan. Idan mu ne ke da alhakin biyan ribar bashi, to
watakila ya kamata mu san yadda gwamnati ke gudanar da kudin.

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Bashin ƙasa daga 1995 zuwa 2013, duk
lambobi daga Hukumar Kuɗin Duniya.

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Hakanan an sake nuna shi a matsayin kashi cikin ɗari na jimillar
samar da kayayyakin cikin gida, wanda muka riga mun saba da shi.

15:56.013 --> 16:01.653
Sannan muna da karuwar bashin ƙasa a
cikin shekaru ashirin da suka gabata a Jamus.

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Kuma zan iya tabbatar maka cewa wannan ba kawai
ya faru a cikin shekaru ashirin da suka gabata ba.

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Na bi diddigin baya – rikodin da na samu sun fara
ne a shekarar 1950, lokacin da Jamus ke da

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bashin ƙasa na Deutschmark miliyan tara, miliyan tara.

16:17.340 --> 16:22.246
Ban san daidai girman yawan jama'a
ba shekaru biyar bayan ƙarshen yaƙi.

16:22.246 --> 16:30.693
Amma mu ɗauka miliyan 70 zuwa 80. Hakan ba zai
wuce pens 20 ba. Ko pens 20 ga kowane mutum ba.

16:30.693 --> 16:41.253
A shekarar 2011 – adadin da na samu mafi sabo
– mun kai aƙalla €24,771 ga kowane mazauni.

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Ba ga kowane mai karɓar albashi ba, ba ga
kowane mazauni ba, wato ga kowane jariri.

16:44.598 --> 16:50.853
Don haka za ka iya kawai tattara dukkan kuɗaɗen kashe
gidan ka, sannan za ka san rabon ka na bashin ƙasa.

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Ina ganin abin kunya ne. Kunya ne.
Gaskiya ne in yi mulkin ƙasa irin haka.

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Faransa, bashin ƙasa ya ƙaru a hankali daga
kashi 55% zuwa 92%, kusan ya ninka cikin shekaru 20.

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Ingila ta ninka bashin ƙasa fiye da sau biyu.

17:06.553 --> 17:10.753
Girka – wadda tuni aka riga aka san ta a
cikin jaridu – tana da bashi na ƙasa mai yawa.

17:10.753 --> 17:15.313
Yana sa ni mamaki, menene amfanin samun ministan
kuɗi, menene amfanin samun duk waɗannan mutane?

17:15.313 --> 17:21.041
Ina ganin mu ma za mu iya yin hakan, ko don ɗauko
abin da ka faɗa, har ma da masu shan miyagun

17:21.041 --> 17:24.489
ƙwayoyi da kuka farfado da su za su iya yin hakan, Ivo.

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Su ma za su iya sarrafa irin wannan manufofin kuɗi.

17:35.926 --> 17:40.028
Kuma akwai wasu ƙasashe da ke nuna cewa zai yiwu:

17:40.028 --> 17:47.442
Bulugariya. Wataƙila an yi tasiri da niyyar Bulugariya ta zama
cikakken memba na Tarayyar Turai, har suka

17:47.442 --> 17:53.913
samu rage basussukansu daga kashi 75% zuwa 16%
cikin ɗan gajeren lokaci, daga 2000 zuwa 2013.

17:53.913 --> 17:59.493
Rasha ma ta samu nasarar daidaita
rage bashinta. Don haka zai yiwu.

17:59.493 --> 18:07.333
Sannan mu duba babban ɗan'uwa, ɗan wasa mai ƙwarewa idan
ana maganar "haifar da rikice-rikicen tattalin arziki".

18:07.333 --> 18:12.512
Daban ɗari da goma sha biyu cikin ɗari bashin ƙasa,
daban ɗari da goma sha biyu cikin ɗari bashin ƙasa!

18:12.512 --> 18:16.025
Sin na tasowa, amma mun riga mun ji wannan a
cikin laccar. Faduwar tattalin arziki

18:16.025 --> 18:18.393
watakila abu ne da ya kamata a ɗauka da muhimmanci.

18:18.393 --> 18:21.573
Watakila 'yan China ma sun yi zaton abin da ke faruwa a nan.

18:21.573 --> 18:24.353
Na lura da hakan ma a wuce-wuce.

18:24.353 --> 18:29.733
Ba su da sha'awa ƙara yin kasuwanci da
Amurka, fitar da kaya da samun daloli.

18:29.733 --> 18:35.753
Yanzu suna matuƙar cike da aiki wajen sayen kadarori da
kamfanoni a Amurka. Mu yi fatan hakan zai zama musu da amfani.

18:35.753 --> 18:42.233
Kuma, tabbas, ba za a iya barin Japan ba daga cikin manyan
kasashe uku na tattalin arziki aƙalla a shekarun 1980 da 1990.

18:42.233 --> 18:46.823
Wani ainihin matukin jirgin kamikaze daga Yaƙin
Duniya na Biyu yana nuna mana yadda ake yin sa.

18:46.823 --> 18:50.612
Wannan abin hauka ne. Dabanu na ƙasa ya kai kashi 245%.

18:50.612 --> 18:56.300
Idan mai bin bashi ya zo ya ce, "Ina so a mayar
da kudina," to 'yan Japan za su yi aiki na

18:56.300 --> 18:59.838
tsawon shekaru biyu da rabi ba tare da samun kobo ba.

18:59.838 --> 19:01.963
Komai ga bankuna, komai ga bankuna.

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Kuma matsalar ita ce cewa a cikin shekaru biyu da rabi, za
su kuma biya riba, wadda ba a ma haɗa ta cikin lissafin ba.

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Eh, sannan na yi amfani da 'yancina na jera a ƙasa, watakila
ba tare da wani babban nazarin siyasa ba, wasu ƙasashe da

19:15.347 --> 19:19.713
muka riga mun saba da su daga sabbin sanarwar manema labarai:

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Ga Siriya nan, mu gani yadda Siriya ke sarrafa kudin.

19:25.158 --> 19:30.573
Suna kuma san yadda bashin ƙasa na kashi 183% yake ji.

19:30.573 --> 19:35.089
Kuma daga nan gaba, ya rushe. Siriya ba ta
sake bayar da wani bayani game da bashinta na

19:35.089 --> 19:38.041
ƙasa ba, amma ina zaton yana ci gaba da raguwa.

19:38.041 --> 19:43.571
Za mu iya duba Iran, wadda ba ta sanya kanta ta zama
mashahuri ga abokin hulɗarta na ƙasa da ƙasa ba,

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wanda saboda wasu dalilai yana yin fare ne kan bashi.

19:46.933 --> 19:55.506
Sannan akwai Libya, ƙasar mai launin kore mai duhu. Tun daga 2003,
ina tsammani, ba ta da bashi na ƙasa kowane kashi, babu ƙarin

19:55.506 --> 20:01.293
bashi, 'yanci, ba tare da bashi ba. Yana yiwuwa, ko ba haka ba?

20:09.573 --> 20:16.013
Bari in taƙaita a taƙaice. Don haka, me kake
buƙatar sani game da bashi idan ba ka riga ka sani ba?

20:16.013 --> 20:23.493
Tabbas, kana biyan riba kan bashin kanka, amma
kana kuma biyan bashin ƙasa ta haraji da ƙarin caji.

20:23.493 --> 20:29.813
Kuma abin da zai iya zama sabo ga wasu daga cikinku shi ne
cewa a kowane saye, kuna biyan riba, wato riba ta bashi.

20:29.813 --> 20:40.173
Kuma tunda kaɗan ne kawai ake ba su damar samun wannan kuɗi, mun
kuma koyi kuma mun riga mun ji cewa za a sake rarraba dukiya.

20:40.173 --> 20:47.581
Kuma shi ya sa nake ganin yana da muhimmanci mu yi tunani
a kai – kuma a zahiri ina shigowa a hankali cikin matakin

20:47.581 --> 20:52.509
saukowa a nan – shin muna son mu canza wani abu a kansa?

20:52.509 --> 20:57.621
Ban so in gabatar da mafita ba, wani ɓangare
saboda bana son a ɗauke ni a matsayin wanda ya san

20:57.621 --> 21:01.689
komai, kuma ina ganin mafita tana da bayyananne sosai.

21:01.689 --> 21:08.113
Idan ka kama barawo yana sata, dole ne ya
mayar da duk abin da ya sata, ko ba haka ba?

21:08.113 --> 21:11.733
Babu buƙatar tattauna wata mafita daban.

21:18.373 --> 21:24.700
Amma zan iya tunanin cewa a gare mu,
ba lallai barawon jakar hannu bane.

21:24.700 --> 21:29.845
Abin da muka ji daga Christoph
Hörstel abu ne mai matuƙar ban mamaki.

21:29.845 --> 21:36.448
Ko abin da muka gani a rahoton talabijin na Kla.TV –
zagayowar cika shekaru 50 da rasuwar John F. Kennedy – za

21:36.448 --> 21:40.345
ka iya gane cewa wannan ba ɗan fashin jakar hannu ba ne.

21:40.345 --> 21:48.325
Don haka, watakila alamar kaɗai –
mun gane ta, mu yarda – ba ta isa ba.

21:48.325 --> 21:50.267
Sai na kawo ƙarin ambaton maganganu biyu.

21:50.267 --> 21:55.946
Joshua Stamp, wanda a wasu lokuta ya kasance daraktan Bankin
Ingila, ya ce: "Idan kuna son ci gaba da zama bayi ga

21:55.946 --> 22:02.830
bankuna kuma ku biya kudin bautarku da kanku, to ku bar
bankuna su ci gaba da ƙirƙirar kuɗi da sarrafa lamuni."

22:02.830 --> 22:08.767
Za ka iya faɗin irin wannan magana, kuma duk da haka mutane
suna iya yin barci kaɗan. Wannan ne abin hauka a cikinsa.

22:08.767 --> 22:11.673
Kuma Henry Ford ma sananne ne, alamar mota:

22:11.673 --> 22:15.873
Da mutane sun fahimci tsarin kudi, da za
mu yi juyin juya hali kafin gobe da safe.

22:15.873 --> 22:19.109
Za ka iya karanta game da waɗannan
abubuwa a intanet; an san su sosai.

22:19.109 --> 22:30.949
Ina ɗan mamaki: me ya sa yake da wahala sosai, kamar yadda
wannan yarinya ta nuna a cikin wakarta, a sa mutane su yi murna?

22:30.949 --> 22:36.696
A ƙarshe, ina so in canza salo gajeren lokaci in
tambayi tambaya: wanene a zahiri ke da alhaki?

22:36.696 --> 22:40.213
Wane ne ke da alhakin wannan hali?

22:40.213 --> 22:43.513
Shin bankuna ne ke da alhakin wannan mawuyacin hali?

22:43.513 --> 22:50.393
Zan amsa tambayar da "a'a", saboda
suna aiki bisa ga doka mai aiki.

22:50.393 --> 22:58.282
Shin jihohi, gwamnatoci da 'yan siyasa ne ke da
alhaki? A nan ma, zan amsa tambayar da "a'a."

22:58.282 --> 23:02.341
Saboda suna da naka, suna da umarninmu.

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To, wa ne ke da alhaki yanzu? Mu ne. Ah eh,
na kama ka, kai. Ni ma. Mu ne ke da alhaki.

23:15.013 --> 23:17.603
Amma menene mabuɗin canji yanzu?

23:17.603 --> 23:25.244
Kuma ina so in raba tunani biyu ko uku da suka yi
daidai da abin da muka riga muka ji daga Christoph Hörstel.

23:25.244 --> 23:28.143
Canzawa mai dorewa – ta yaya zai yiwu?

23:28.143 --> 23:35.502
A ganina: zai yiwu ne kawai idan muka ga kanmu a
matsayin mutane. A matsayin jiki guda na mutane.

23:35.502 --> 23:44.753
Na taɓa ƙirƙirar wannan jumla – jira kaɗan ka ga ko za ka so
ta – "Mutane za su iya rayuwa sosai ba tare da zalunci ba."

23:44.753 --> 23:49.871
Amma zalimi yana cikin wahala sosai
ba tare da mutane ba, ko ba haka ba?

23:54.753 --> 24:03.965
A matsayinmu na al'umma, dole ne mu sake fahimtar cewa mu ne muke
ba da iko ga waɗanda muka zaɓa. Kuma muna da ikon sarrafa shi.

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Kuma yanzu, tabbas, tambayar ita
ce: Ta yaya za mu zama mutane ɗaya?

24:07.402 --> 24:13.702
Ta yaya hakan ke aiki? Kuma zan iya magana daga
kwarewata ta kaina a nan. Bari in haskaka abubuwa

24:13.702 --> 24:17.229
uku don nuna abin da ake bukata don zama kabila.

24:17.229 --> 24:22.581
Yana da alaƙa da fahimta. Yana da alaƙa da sake nazarin abubuwa.

24:22.581 --> 24:27.413
Ba wai kawai ka ɗauki abubuwa ka sha su ka
aiwatar da su ba, sai ka fara tunani sosai a kansu.

24:27.413 --> 24:31.370
To me yasa mutum ɗaya zai zama ƙasa?
Zan iya bayyana wannan cikin sauƙi.

24:31.370 --> 24:37.838
Mun samu lambobin S&G da yawa, lambobin AZK da yawa, kuma
kowanne kiran waya da na yi, kamar yadda za ka iya tabbatarwa,

24:37.838 --> 24:41.081
an tura shi zuwa mataki mafi girma kuma an haɗa shi nan take.

24:41.081 --> 24:46.650
Nan da nan na ga mutane a wurin, na lura, "oh, suna tunani
tare da ni." Su ma suna tunani a kai. Suna kuma son fahimta.

24:46.650 --> 24:50.307
Ba sa sauri kuma suna faɗin komai ba daidai, sai
dai: Jira, dakata ɗan lokaci, yaya duk wannan ya dace?

24:50.307 --> 24:55.002
Kuma daga sha'awar fahimta sai fahimta
ta zo. Daga fahimta sai zumunci ya zo.

24:55.002 --> 24:59.973
Dole ne mu fahimta, misali, dole ne mu
koyi fahimtar cewa kudi ba za su iya aiki ba.

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Kawai a matsayin misali. Kudi ba sa aiki.

25:03.413 --> 25:07.899
Hakanan za ku iya, kuma ina ci gaba da maganar da
mai jawabi na baya ya yi, yin karamin aikin gida.

25:07.899 --> 25:13.298
Me zai hana ka ajiye takardar kuɗi fam goma a
gefen kayan wanke-wanke da ba ka yi daren jiya ba?

25:13.298 --> 25:16.433
Sannan ta rufe ƙofar ɗakin girki kuma ta koma can a safiyar gobe.

25:16.433 --> 25:20.493
Sa'an nan za ka ga ko kudin ya yi aiki.

25:26.773 --> 25:30.901
Akwai mutane da yawa a cikin gidanmu. Da alama zan
kulle ƙofar, in ba haka ba takardar kuɗi ta euro

25:30.901 --> 25:34.653
goma za ta ɓace, kuma har yanzu sai in wanke kwanoni.

25:36.532 --> 25:40.352
Zama ƙasa yana da alaƙa sosai da canji da kuma son yin canji.

25:40.352 --> 25:48.133
A gare ni, son yin canji yana kuma nufin sake ɗaukar alhaki, ko
kamar yadda kalmomin ƙarshe suka ce, waɗanda ni kaina na rubuta:

25:48.133 --> 25:52.693
Tare za mu iya kawo canji. Fara da kanka, canza wani abu a kanka.

25:52.693 --> 25:57.171
Yana haifar da irin wata alaƙa ta zuciya mai bambanci
sosai. Zan iya faɗin hakan da gaske game da masu isar da kayana.

25:57.171 --> 26:02.679
Wannan shi ne taken Strategy 2+, wanda Ruth ta ambata a
baya. Muna gina cibiyar sadarwa tare da masu isar da kaya.

26:02.679 --> 26:07.526
Akwai alaƙar zuciya da kowane mutum saboda na
lura cewa kowa na son canza wani abu. Kowa yana

26:07.526 --> 26:10.499
aiki a kansa, kowa yana farawa da kansa da farko.

26:10.499 --> 26:15.679
Duk abin yana narke tare. Babu buƙatar
yin dogon jawabi a kai, kawai yana faruwa.

26:15.679 --> 26:20.210
Kuma wannan haɗuwa, wannan zama iyali, yana haifar da
gina hanyoyin sadarwa. Ina ganin wannan sabon abu ne.

26:20.210 --> 26:23.515
Hakika, akwai shugabanni masu jan hankali da dama a duniya.

26:23.515 --> 26:31.288
Da kyawawan ra'ayoyi, da hangen nesa
na gaskiya, da ikon motsa zuciyar ƙasa.

26:31.288 --> 26:38.062
Amma abin da nake ji, abin da lokacinmu yake
fuskanta yanzu, shi ne haɗuwar mutane daga matakin ƙasa.

26:38.062 --> 26:42.030
Wannan ma asali ne, abin da na rubuta daga mai jawabi na baya:

26:42.030 --> 26:45.913
Mu girma tare daga ƙasa har sama. Dole
ne canji ya fito daga ƙasa har sama.

26:45.913 --> 26:52.963
Wannan shi ne gina dangantaka, wannan shi ne wannan rukunin
mutane da ke jin kamar al'umma. Wanda kwatsam

26:52.963 --> 27:00.561
suka gane cewa ba mu gina hulɗarmu a Facebook ba,
sai dai da mutanen gaske masu hannaye da ƙafafu.

27:07.773 --> 27:10.045
Muna ƙara kusantar batun. Ba mu zauna kawai muna korafi ba.

27:10.045 --> 27:13.092
Muna jin daɗin tattauna batutuwan siyasa da abokan aikinmu.

27:13.092 --> 27:17.293
Amma mu hanzarta mu koma ga
tambayar: Shin kun shirya zuba lokaci?

27:17.293 --> 27:20.812
Shin kun shirya saka jari da
kanku? Kuma haka mutum yake zama ƙasa.

27:20.812 --> 27:26.173
Kuma ina ganin dukanku, ko aƙalla mafi yawan ku, kun san S&G,
jaridar "Stimme und Gegenstimme" (Muryar da Martani).

27:26.173 --> 27:32.833
Wannan ita ce dabarar S&G. Kuma shi ya sa – tun da ban da
teburin mai jawabi na kaina ba – nake tallata teburin S&G ɗinmu.

27:32.833 --> 27:37.373
Je can. Idan har ba ka sani ba tukuna, S&G ya fi jarida kawai.

27:37.373 --> 27:41.960
A gare ni, S&G hanya ce, eh, hanya ce ta zama mutane ɗaya.

27:41.960 --> 27:49.353
Hanya ce ta haɗu a matsayin al'umma. Don haka, abin da
ya rage mini in faɗa shi ne: ku shiga! Na gode. Na gode.
