WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:08.306 Swiss Mountain Clinic – Sebaka se se nang mahlaseli bakeng sa batho ba angoang habonolo ke mahlaseli a mehala ea thekeng 00:08.306 --> 00:10.180 Re mona Tleliniking ea Lithaba ea Switzerland. 00:10.180 --> 00:14.260 E fumaneha Castaneda, Graubünden, haufi le moeli oa Italy. 00:14.260 --> 00:20.560 Swiss Mountain Clinic ke setsi sa machaba sa bokgabane bakeng sa meriana ya taolo le ya sesosa. 00:20.560 --> 00:25.020 E laolwa ke Ulf Wiechel le mosadi wa hae Ngaka Petra Wiechel. 00:25.020 --> 00:29.439 Ba entse tliliniki hore e be e se nang mahlaseli ka hohle kamoo ho ka khonehang. 00:29.439 --> 00:34.602 Fumana hore na ke eng se ba susumelitseng le hore na ke mehato efe eo ba e nkileng ho fokotsa 00:34.602 --> 00:39.280 mahlaseli potolohong e latelang le Ulf le Petra Wiechel. 00:39.280 --> 00:43.158 Motsamaisi: E, ke leboha haholo ka ho re lumella ho le etela le ka ho araba lipotso tse 00:43.158 --> 00:45.568 'maloa mabapi le morero oa lona o khahlang. 00:45.568 --> 00:47.392 Empa ha re qaleng qalong. 00:47.392 --> 00:55.017 Mohlomong o ka re hlalosetsa ka bokgutshwanyane: Hantle-ntle Swiss Mountain Clinic ke eng? Pono ya hao ka yona ke efe? 00:55.017 --> 00:59.293 Sepheo le morero oa Swiss Mountain Clinic ke ofe? 00:59.293 --> 01:03.280 Ulf Wiechel: E, ha ke ka araba, Stephan. 01:03.280 --> 01:08.659 Kliniki ea Swiss Mountain e na le moetlo oa lilemo tse 33 sebakeng sena, Al Ronc, Castaneda, oo 01:08.659 --> 01:11.660 re ikutloang re ikemiselitse ho o phethahatsa. 01:11.660 --> 01:23.045 Mme Adele Duttweiler ya hlollang, mosadi wa "Dutti", ya thehileng Migros mehleng eo – batho ba Switzerland ba tseba pale ena hantle 01:23.045 --> 01:31.128 – o ile a bula motheo ona kapa tleliniki ena e le moaho ka 1987, ho tlotla ngaka ya hae, e mo 01:31.128 --> 01:35.846 folisitseng ka thuso ya mekgwa ya phekolo ya tlhaho. 01:35.846 --> 01:38.880 Ha e le hantle, e ne e le mokhoa oa bona oa ho leboha. 01:38.880 --> 01:46.547 Mme ka nako eo, o ile a fana ka taelo ya hore batho ba Switzerland ba be le sebaka kamehla moo mekgwa ya phodiso ya 01:46.547 --> 01:51.240 tlhaho e sebediswang le ho tsamaiswa ka mokgwa o tsitsitseng. 01:51.240 --> 01:55.380 Petra le nna re ikemiseditse mosebetsing ona. 01:55.380 --> 02:01.686 Ha re sa na litšebelisano tsa lichelete le Motheo oa Migros. 02:01.686 --> 02:10.764 Jwale re beng ba boraro nalaneng ya moaho ona ho tloha ka 2011, mme, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, re ipehetse sepheo 02:10.764 --> 02:15.780 sa ho hlompha batho ba tummeng ba thehileng sebaka sena. 02:15.780 --> 02:17.600 Ke ntho e le 'ngoe. 02:17.600 --> 02:22.494 Taba e 'ngoe ke hore, ehlile, mehla e fapane kajeno ho feta kamoo e neng e le kateng 02:22.494 --> 02:25.700 mehleng eo, 'me joale re nahana ka lefats'e lohle. 02:25.700 --> 02:33.700 Ke ka lebaka lena Swiss Mountain Clinic e fetohileng setsi sa machaba sa meriana e laolang le e shebaneng le sesosa sa mafu. 02:33.700 --> 02:43.311 Mme re ikutlwa re ikemiseditse ho sena ka ho sebedisa ka ho sa kgaotseng menyetla e fanoang ke sebaka sena, menyetla e fanoang 02:43.311 --> 02:53.813 ke meriana, menyetla eo Petra a e sebedisang ka tsela e sebetsang, hape le menyetla e fanoang ke bareki ba rona ba matjhaba. 02:53.813 --> 02:58.020 Hona joale re na le bakuli ba tsoang linaheng tse fetang mashome a supileng. 02:58.020 --> 03:07.600 Mme ba tla mona hobane sebaka sena se na le dintlha tse ngata haholo tse ikgethang tse se rekisang. 03:09.300 --> 03:14.502 Mme ba tla feela ka dikeletso, ho tloha ho mokudi ho ya ho e mong. 03:14.502 --> 03:19.712 Ha ho na papatso ka morao ho sona, ka tsela eo. 03:19.712 --> 03:21.620 Molaoli: Ho a khahla, ho a khahla! 03:21.620 --> 03:26.020 Petra, o ile oa elelloa kotsi ea mehala ea letsoho joang? 03:26.020 --> 03:30.073 Mme o bona dikotsi jwang? 03:30.073 --> 03:40.157 Dr. Petra Wiechel: Haeba o sebetsa hodima motheo wa hore bokulo ha se boemo, empa ke tshebetso, o leka ho utlwisisa 03:40.157 --> 03:45.440 hore na ke ditshebetso dife tse hlokahalang hore bo hlahelle. 03:45.440 --> 03:50.680 Kahoo, bophelo bo botle bo amana le lintho tse ngata, ho kenyeletsa le ho kula. 03:50.680 --> 04:01.760 Mme ha o le tseleng ena, pono ya hao ka mabaka ana kaofela ha se hakaalo hore e ba pharaletseng, empa e hlile e ba tebileng. 04:01.760 --> 04:16.062 Mme, ehlile, motho o se a ile a tsepamisa maikutlo ho sohle se ka bang bohlokwa e le sesosa sa bokulo ntlheng ena. 04:16.062 --> 04:24.160 Mme ena ke ntshetsopele eo e seng e re tshwere ka dilemo tse ngata jwale. 04:24.160 --> 04:28.860 Re se re kile ra bona sena ha mehala ea letsoho e qala ho ba teng 'marakeng ka 1993. 04:28.860 --> 04:31.820 Kahoo bana ba ne ba se na mehala ea letsoho. 04:31.820 --> 04:33.120 Motsamaisi: U potlakile haholo ho kenela. 04:33.120 --> 04:38.268 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: E, ho ne ho se na mohala oa letsoho ka koloing, ho ne ho na le antenna ea 04:38.268 --> 04:41.360 kantle/sesebelisoa sa ho bua o sa tšoara mohala feela. 04:41.360 --> 04:51.573 Ho tloha qalong, tsena e ne e le liketso tse tsitsitseng haholo, tseo mohlomong le rona re ithutileng tsona ka nako eo, ka tsebo 04:51.573 --> 04:56.560 le ka kutloisiso, hore lintho tsena ha li etsoe ka tsela ena. 04:56.560 --> 05:05.602 Mme temoho ena e ntse e le teng le kajeno, hore re hlile re bona "mobile" e le ntho ya 05:05.602 --> 05:11.400 bohlokwa haholo, empa bakeng sa maemo a tshohanyetso. 05:11.400 --> 05:15.093 Molaoli: Bakeng sa maemo a tšohanyetso, ho lokile. E. 05:15.093 --> 05:18.926 Ho lokile, na o ka hlalosa likotsi tsa bophelo bo botle ho latela pono ea hau? 05:18.926 --> 05:26.691 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: E, o tlameha ho sheba taba ka bophara, hobane kajeno kutloisiso ea rona ea bokulo e 05:26.691 --> 05:30.720 le – ha ke tsebe hore na nka re – e le e sa tebang. 05:30.720 --> 05:37.888 Sena se bolela hore re sebetsana le boemo ba matšoao ka nepo e tšoanang le ea maekorosekoupo ea elekettrone. 05:37.888 --> 05:42.464 Empa bophelo bo etsahala maemong a fapaneng ka ho feletseng. 05:42.464 --> 05:49.344 Mme batho ka bo bona ke mehlala ya boikgapo bo boholo ka ho fetisisa, bo phethahetseng. 05:49.344 --> 05:53.708 Jwale, sebopuwa sa motho se teetswe hare ke masimo. 05:53.708 --> 05:59.820 Tsena ke masimo a bokahohle; ho na le masimo a motlakase, ho na le masimo a makenete, mme ho na le le masimo a makenete. 05:59.820 --> 06:09.580 Tsena le tsona ke lintho tseo re lokelang ho li nka li le bohlokoa haholo: li-biophoton, khanya, khanya ea UV. 06:09.580 --> 06:12.880 Hantle, bophelo ha bo kgonehe ntle le tsena tsohle. 06:12.880 --> 06:18.713 Mmele o dula o le mofutheng o tswelang pele. 06:18.713 --> 06:28.431 Sena se bolela hore ha re nka mahlaseli ana a maqhubu a phahameng, kapa masimo ana a motlakase le makenete, a hlahisoang 06:28.431 --> 06:36.773 eseng ke Wi-Fi feela, empa hape le ke mehala ea DECT le likhomphutha, lisebelisoa tsohle tsa motlakase, 06:36.773 --> 06:46.213 li-baby monitor, joalo-joalo, joale sena ke kakaretso ea matla e leng hape e amang 'mele ea rona ka tlhaho. 06:46.213 --> 06:55.581 Mme jwale, ka mahlaseli a motlakase le makenete kapa maqhubu ana a phahameng a otlang, ntho ya pele ya bohlokwa ke 06:55.581 --> 07:00.920 hore: "Tekanyo e etsa chefo," jwalo ka ha Paracelsus a boletse. 07:00.920 --> 07:05.480 Mamello ea ka e ka khoneha ruri bakeng sa ntho e itseng, leha e le hona joale. 07:05.480 --> 07:12.430 Mme kotsi e teng hantle moo: ha re e nkge, ha re e utlwe, ha re e hlokomele. 07:12.430 --> 07:19.226 Le rona ha re e hlokomele nako e telele haholo. Empa e re ama. 07:19.226 --> 07:24.400 Motsamaisi: E a re fetola. Ngaka Petra Wiechel: Mme neng kapa neng ha mahlaseli ana a re fihlela – mme ehlile ke taba ya hore 07:24.400 --> 07:28.870 na ke sebedisa mohala wa ka wa letsoho bakeng sa mohala o mokgutshwane kapa bakeng sa puisano e telele, hore 07:28.870 --> 07:33.364 na ke sebedisa Wi-Fi dihora tse mashome a mabedi a metso e mene ka letsatsi, jwalo-jwalo le jwalo-jwalo... 07:33.364 --> 07:40.921 Molaoli: Kapa ka headset kapa ntle le eona. Ngaka Petra Wiechel: E, e! Ebe e baka phallo e matla 07:40.921 --> 07:45.660 haholo ea khalsiamo liseleng tsa 'mele oa rona. 07:45.660 --> 07:58.286 Ha khalase e ngata e kena 'meleng, ho hlahisoa ntho e bitsoang nitric oxide; ena ke ts'ebetso ea 'mele. 07:58.286 --> 08:06.616 Empa haeba ho hlahisoa nitric oxide e ngata haholo ka lebaka la ho kena ho hoholo ha calcium, joale 08:06.616 --> 08:12.280 motsoako ona oa calcium le nitric oxide o etsa superoxide. 08:12.280 --> 08:16.800 Superoxide ena e kopana ho etsa peroxynitrite. 08:16.800 --> 08:22.920 Rea e lekanya. Rea lekanya seo ho thoeng ke khatello ea nitrosative. 08:22.920 --> 08:31.648 Seo se bolela hore sele e nyenyane, e leng bophelo bo ikemetseng ka bo bona, eo re nang le tsona tse 700-trilione, 08:31.648 --> 08:40.170 joale e tlas'a khatello e kholo haholo e bakoang ke seo ho tsejoang e le khatello ea nitrosative le oxidative. 08:40.170 --> 08:47.614 Hobane qetellong, peroxynitrite ke radical e lokolohileng ea sebele le e kotsi. 08:47.614 --> 08:55.065 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: Mme mosebedisi ya tlwaelehileng o a tseba hore ka ho sebedisa di-antioxidant tse ngata letsatsi le 08:55.065 --> 09:02.579 letsatsi, di-free radical tsena di tlameha ho laolwa, hobane ke e nngwe ya mabaka a ho senyeha ha mmele, a ho tsofala ha 09:02.579 --> 09:09.760 ona ka potlako, a ts'ebetso ya disele mme ka hona ts'ebetso ya matla a disele e se e sa kgone ho tswelapele. 09:09.760 --> 09:16.466 Ntle le matla, ha ho na tshebetso. Ntle le matla, ha ho na bophelo. 09:16.466 --> 09:23.313 Ka mantsoe a mang, ka nako eo diteishene tsa matla tse bitswang tsa sele ena di seng di sa kgone ho hlahisa matla a 09:23.313 --> 09:30.592 lekaneng – ha ke tsebe hore na o a tseba hore na re na le diteishene tse kae tse nyane tsa matla ka seleng ka nngwe? 09:30.592 --> 09:32.020 Molaoli: Ha ke tsebe, empa na o ka mpolella? 09:32.020 --> 09:34.740 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: Ke hoo e ka bang sekete! 09:34.740 --> 09:37.080 Molaodi: Ao, ke tse ngata haholo. Jwaloka diteishene tse nyane tsa motlakase ka hare ho disele. 09:37.080 --> 09:42.833 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: Hantle-ntle, empa tsena ke matla a matla a bophelo, 'me joale li na le tšusumetso e sitisang ho tsona. 09:42.833 --> 09:48.746 Mme ka dilemo tse mashome a mabedi, ka mohlala, ke ile ka ipotsa: Hobaneng re sa tshware mofetshe wa pelo? 09:48.746 --> 09:52.673 Pelo e na le li-mitochondria tse 4,000. 09:52.673 --> 09:56.740 Sele ea lehe ea mosali e na le li-mitochondria tse 30,000. 09:56.740 --> 10:06.000 Kahoo tlhaho e tsetetse tjena: e fa mang bokgoni bo itseng ba ho phela? 10:06.000 --> 10:16.342 Ha o nka peo ea botona – peo ea botona e na le mohatla, e le hore e fihle kapele moo e hlokahalang teng – joale mitokhonatria 10:16.342 --> 10:22.240 e ka har'a peo ea botona, karolong e ka morao ea mohatla. 10:22.240 --> 10:28.920 Empa haeba ba na le mehala ea bona ea letsoho ka lipokothong, li-mitochondria tsena li senyeha ka har'a peo ea bona ea botona, 10:28.920 --> 10:35.547 ke ka lebaka leo bahlankana ba bangata ba sa khoneng ho tsoala, hobane ehlile kaofela ha bona ke makgopo 'me ha ba sa feta ka 10:35.547 --> 10:39.080 tseleng ena ho hang, bonyane eseng ka matla le lebelo la bona. 10:39.080 --> 10:46.593 Empa tseo, ehlile, ke lintho tseo re lulang re li lekanya mona tleliniking kajeno, e. 10:46.593 --> 10:54.071 Mme ke tlameha ho bolela, ka tsela e tshosang, hore hara bareki ba batho ba kajeno ba buang ka tlhaho hore: "Ha ke sa kgona ho 10:54.071 --> 11:01.074 tsepamisa mohopolo," "Boroko ba ka bo bobe haholo," "Ke se ke na le MS (multiple sclerosis)..." Batho bana ha ba sa le 11:01.074 --> 11:08.740 dilemo tse mashome a mane – ba dilemo tse mashome a mabedi a metso e supileng! Ba batjha! Malwetse a autoimmune! 11:08.740 --> 11:17.459 Tsena ke lintho tsohle tseo re ka li etsang le laboratori – re ke ke ra lekanya mahlaseli, empa re ka lekanya litlamorao. 11:17.459 --> 11:22.240 Tsena ke lintho tsa khale tsa 'nete, har'a tse ling tse ngata-ngata. 11:22.240 --> 11:25.480 Hoo ke kgatello ya oksideishene le kgatello ya nitrosative. 11:25.480 --> 11:33.696 Empa tsena hape ke lintho tse bakang ho ruruha ho sa foleng – kapa ho sa utloahaleng, joalokaha ho bitsoa. 11:33.696 --> 11:34.800 Molaoli: Hantle-ntle seo se bolela'ng? 11:34.800 --> 11:36.780 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: Ho ruruha, ho ruruha! 11:36.780 --> 11:43.728 Sena se bolela hore re ka lekanya sesupo se hlokolosi haholo se re bolellang hore: Ha e le hantle ke phetse hantle, 11:43.728 --> 11:50.553 empa sesupo sena se hlokolosi se bontsha hore ho ruruha ho sa foleng ho ntse ho hola – ho ka hare ho wena. 11:50.553 --> 11:55.260 Mme ho ruruga hona, ehlile, hape ke hona ho bakang tshenyo. 11:55.260 --> 12:01.100 Ho ruruha ho hong le ho hong ho sa foleng ho baka mabali liseleng 'me ho na le phello e senyang. 12:01.100 --> 12:08.220 Leha ho ruruha ho hoholo ka tlhaho ho hloka kalafo e matla mme ho utlwahala haholo. 12:08.220 --> 12:17.480 Mme sena se qholotswa haholo, se potlakiswa le ho matlafatswa ke ho pepesehela kantle ho ts'enyo ena ya motlakase. 12:17.480 --> 12:27.626 Mme ke nahana hore seo re se bonang kajeno ke lintho tse potlakisang, hobane batho ba ntse ba nna banyenyane le ho feta. 12:27.626 --> 12:35.392 Litšoantšo tsa bongaka tseo re neng re li bona hamorao haholo li fetoha 'nete kapele haholo. 12:35.392 --> 12:44.480 Mme, ehlile, moo re nang le taolo hodima ditaba tsena mabapi le dipatlisiso, re ka di susumetsa. 12:44.480 --> 12:50.520 Ntho ea boraro ke hore e na le tšusumetso tsamaisong ea rona ea methapo e ikemetseng. 12:50.520 --> 12:53.506 Re laolwa ka boikemelo. 12:53.506 --> 12:59.960 Eo ho thoeng ke tsamaiso ea rona ea methapo e ikemetseng, e re laola ka 95% re sa elelloe, e. 12:59.960 --> 13:05.320 Seo ke nahanang hore se tsosa karabelo ka ho 'na. 13:05.320 --> 13:13.706 Empa tsamaiso ya ka ya methapo e sa eleng kelello e laola mekgwa yohle ya taolo. Mme mmele ha o etse phoso le ka mohla. 13:13.706 --> 13:17.780 Mmele o dula o etsa seo o hlokang hore o se etse. 13:17.780 --> 13:20.953 E tla o sebeletsa bophelo bohle ba hao. 13:20.953 --> 13:25.700 Leha ho le jwalo, ha a sa tla etsa letho le ka o utlwisang bohloko kapa la o fokolisa hona jwale. 13:25.700 --> 13:29.033 Mmele o le mong ha o a lekana. 13:29.033 --> 13:36.536 Empa ha jwale ke pepesehetse ditekanelo tsena tse sa feleng, jwale kgatello ena e qala tlhaselo e sa kgaotseng ho yena 13:36.536 --> 13:40.520 (mmele) mme o arabela ka letoto la ditlamorao tsa kgatello. 13:40.520 --> 13:46.600 Ona ke mokgwa oo o o kenyang tshebetsong o sa elellwe. 13:46.600 --> 13:55.360 Mme ka motsotso oo, bokgoni ba hae ba ho ipholisa bo a fokotseha hobane le yena a ke ke a kgona ho fana ka matla a hoo. 13:55.360 --> 13:57.940 Ke ka lebaka leo ho leng bohlokoa ho utlwisisa sena. 13:57.940 --> 14:03.609 Hobane ho se phutholohe, letsoalo, mathata a ho tsepamisa mohopolo, jj. li hlaha 14:03.609 --> 14:06.960 mokgweng ona wa kamehla, o iphelang ka boyona. 14:06.960 --> 14:11.306 Ba re: "Pele ho tla tlhahisoleseding e fosahetseng." 14:11.306 --> 14:19.706 Tlhahisoleseding e fosahetseng butle-butle e lebisa taolong e fosahetseng, mme ka nako e 'ngoe e fetoha ts'ebetso e sa lokang. 14:19.706 --> 14:28.288 Bang! Ebe kea hlokomela: "Hee, ho phoqeha ka 'na, ke hobane'ng ha pelo ea ka e otla ka lebelo tjee?" joalo-joalo. 14:28.288 --> 14:34.611 E, mme ntlha ya bone, e bileng e ntlhomolang pelo haholo mme e nkgathatsa, ke ena: 14:34.611 --> 14:38.900 tshusumetso hodima boitshireletso ba mmele ya rona. 14:38.900 --> 14:41.780 Mmele wa rona ha o ka ke wa fosa le ka mohla. 14:41.780 --> 14:49.860 E lokisa ts'ireletso ea eona ea 'mele le matla a eona ho latela seo e tlamehang ho re lokisetsa sona letsatsi le letsatsi. 14:49.860 --> 14:55.827 Re etsa tlhahlobo ka maekorosekoupo tleliniking ena. Re sheba mali. 14:55.827 --> 15:02.766 Re na le mali a mokudi enwa. Re ne re bone ditekwa, palo X. 15:02.766 --> 15:10.180 Mme ra bona hore disele tse kgubedu tsa madi di ne di le mafolofolo haholo moo... Motsamaisi: Di phelile haholo! 15:10.180 --> 15:13.540 Ngaka Petra Wiechel:… E, tsona ke tse nkang oksijene, li fetoha-fetoha haholo. 15:13.540 --> 15:18.906 E le hore li ka kena le ka har'a methapo e menyenyane ka ho fetisisa le ho fepa lisele. 15:18.906 --> 15:24.378 Lisele tse tšoeu tsa mali ke mola oa pele oa tšireletso tsamaisong ea 'mele ea ho itšireletsa mafung. Ka 15:24.378 --> 15:29.660 hona, li tlameha ho fumaneha pele ebile ka bongata bo lekaneng ha tšoaetso kapa ho ruruha ho hlaha. 15:29.660 --> 15:33.360 Ba e hloekisa, ba e hlwekisa. Sena se bitswa "phagocytosis". 15:33.360 --> 15:38.240 Ebe ba sila bohelehele bona ba likokoana-hloko. 15:38.240 --> 15:44.160 Re boetse ra hlahloba mali ana ka tlas'a maekorosekoupu 'me ra a nka mothapong. 15:44.160 --> 15:53.340 Eaba re e beha ka phaposing e nang le mahlaseli a Wi-Fi ka hora. Metsotso e mashome a tsheletseng. 15:53.340 --> 16:00.033 Eaba re boela ra sheba mali a batho bana bohle ba neng ba lekoa tlas'a maekorosekoupo, 'me ra romela karolo e 'ngoe ea mali 16:00.033 --> 16:04.713 laboratoring, e neng e lokela ho re bolella hore na ho etsahala'ng ka lisele tse tšoeu 16:04.713 --> 16:07.950 tsa mali (leukocytes) ka mor'a mahlaseli ana. 16:07.950 --> 16:14.544 Mme e ne e le ntho e kgahlang haholo hobane leha o ne o sheba ka sebonela-bobotlana, ho ne ho bonahala hore ba 16:14.544 --> 16:17.926 ne ba lahlehetswe ke ho kobeha ha bona ka ho feletseng. 16:17.926 --> 16:20.288 Kahoo ba ne ba holofetse. 16:20.288 --> 16:28.330 Sena se bolela hore, ka lehlakoreng le leng, tshwaetso e ka ata ka potlako. 16:28.330 --> 16:35.953 Ka lehlakoreng le leng, re ile ra fumana bopaki bo hlakileng ba bongaka ba hore hoo e ka bang liperesente tse 90 tsa lisampole 16:35.953 --> 16:41.701 tsena tse ileng tsa hlahisoa li ne li le tlas'a khatello e phahameng haholo ea oksaehene 'me ka 16:41.701 --> 16:45.210 lebaka leo li ne li se li emisitse ho sebetsa ka tlhaho. 16:45.210 --> 16:55.640 Mme ke ntho eo ke reng: ke bohlaswa bo boholo kamoo re sebetsanang le yona. 16:55.640 --> 17:01.949 Ke sona feela seo re lokelang ho ba hlokolosi ka sona hona joale: hore re fokotse litekanyetso ka hohle kamoo ho 17:01.949 --> 17:07.330 ka khonehang, hore re time liselefouno tsa rona ka hohle kamoo ho ka khonehang, hore re... jj. 17:07.330 --> 17:11.490 Seo se bolela: "Ea re ama." Rona litsebi tsa tsa bongaka rea tseba seo. 17:11.490 --> 17:16.390 Sena se ka pakoa ka botlalo. Ho na le liphuputso tse likete. 17:16.390 --> 17:23.338 Hape ho na le diphuputso tse ding tse tshosang haholo – ha re re – tse seng di ntse di 17:23.338 --> 17:27.359 thehile kgolo ya dithurugo tsa mahlo kajeno. 17:27.359 --> 17:35.213 Ke tlameha ho ipolela hore ha ke eso bone ntshetsopele e matla hakana, haholoholo mafung a methapo ya lymph. 17:35.213 --> 17:36.990 – Molala, ditho tsa lymph ... Motsamaisi: Lymphatic, hoo ho bolelang? 17:36.990 --> 17:44.674 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: … E, ho lokile: mofetše oa linoko tsa lymph; tsena kaofela ke mafu a – lihlahala tsa 17:44.674 --> 17:49.193 boko, lihlahala tsa mahlo – li mpa li holile feela. 17:49.193 --> 17:58.391 Ka hona, ke nahana hore ho bohlokwa haholo hore re sebetsane le dibakwa kajeno, mme re se ke ra dumela hore re 17:58.391 --> 18:03.110 ka rarolla tsohle ka phekolo e ntlafetseng le ho feta. 18:03.110 --> 18:07.613 Motsamaisi: E, ho lokile. E, kea leboha, kea leboha, Petra. 18:07.613 --> 18:13.280 Ulf, o boetse o nkile mehato e mengata ho fokotsa mahlaseli tleliniking ea hau. 18:13.280 --> 18:19.926 Mehato ena ke efe hantle, mme ke efe eo le e reretšeng bokamosong? 18:19.926 --> 18:30.726 Ulf Wiechel: E, re bile mona ho tloha ka la 1 Phato 2008, mme ka nako eo ho ne ho eso be le kutlwisiso e kalo hara setjhaba. 18:30.726 --> 18:35.874 Batho ba ne ba thabile ho ba le mohala oa thekeng 'me ba batla hore o amohele maqhubu a 18:35.874 --> 18:39.593 sathelaete le UMTS, le hore o fumanehe ka linako tsohle. 18:39.593 --> 18:46.230 Mme ha se mahlaseli a maqhubu a phahameng feela, empa hape ke mahlaseli a maqhubu a tlase. 18:46.230 --> 18:48.053 Molaoli: E, ho tsoa liphaepheng, jj. 18:48.053 --> 18:53.023 Ulf Wiechel: Re ile ra tlameha ho qala ka ho lokisa lintho tse itseng mona, ra fumana hore na ke 18:53.023 --> 18:55.919 eng se ka etsahalang mona, le se sa ka etsahaleng. 18:55.919 --> 19:03.550 Mohlala, re ile ra fumana ka kichineng hore li-microwave li ne li ntse li sebelisoa teng ka 2008. 19:03.550 --> 19:06.820 Eo e bile ntho ea pele eo re e tlositseng. 19:06.820 --> 19:09.851 Seo e ne e le ntho e bonolo ka ho fetisisa ho e etsa, feela ho ba tlosa. 19:09.851 --> 19:16.760 Ha e lokela ho faneloa, hobane ha o fane ka ntho e mpe, ntho e kotsi. Kahoo e lahliloe. 19:16.760 --> 19:18.870 Eaba dinako di fetoha hanyane. 19:18.870 --> 19:25.350 Mme ka mora moo ra fumana monyetla wa ho fumana thapo ya rona ya fibre optic ka Swisscom. 19:25.350 --> 19:26.750 Molaodi: Ha o eso be le Wi-Fi? 19:26.750 --> 19:30.150 Ulf Wiechel: Re bile le Wi-Fi ho tloha qalong, ka lebaka la beng ba rona ba pele. 19:30.150 --> 19:35.013 Re mpa feela ra e tlosa ho tloha qalong. 19:35.013 --> 19:41.580 Mme esale re kopa bakuli hore ba se ke ba sebedisa mehala ya letsoho. 19:41.580 --> 19:49.610 Empa ha rea ka re e sebedisa ka mokgwa o tsitsitseng qalong hobane re ne re eso be le inthanete e lebelo. 19:49.610 --> 19:54.285 Hape ho na le bakuli ba ntseng ba le mona nako e telele le bona ba hlokang sena. 19:54.285 --> 20:02.068 Empa re ile ra hlokomela le ntho e 'ngoe nakong ea ketelo Amerika, ha motsoalle oa rona, eo e leng ngaka, moo ho neng 20:02.068 --> 20:10.050 ho na le letšoao monyako le reng: "Ha ho mehala ea letsoho, 'me haeba le sa mamele, ke tla le kopa hore le tsoe ka tlung." 20:10.050 --> 20:14.670 Seo se ile sa mpha sebete. Hobaneng le nna ke sa khone ho etsa jwalo? 20:14.670 --> 20:19.526 Eaba re kgutla mme ra beha thibelo mehala ya letsoho. 20:19.526 --> 20:22.166 Mme ka mohlolo, a sebetsa. 20:22.166 --> 20:27.990 Ha re fihla, ho ne ho e-na le mehala ea DECT, ehlile, eo re ileng ra e lahla hang-hang. 20:27.990 --> 20:33.964 Lisebelisoa tsohle tsa rona tsa khomphutha – kahoo ha ho na li-mouse kapa li-keyboard tse se nang 20:33.964 --> 20:37.730 mohala, hobane kaofela ke mehloli ea Bluetooth. 20:37.730 --> 20:45.706 Joale, lisebelisoa tsohle tsa rona tsa bongaka ha li na Bluetooth, kaofela li na le khokahano e tsitsitseng. 20:45.706 --> 20:49.700 Ke seo re ka se etsang hang-hang! 20:49.700 --> 20:52.430 Ebe, ehlile, re boetse re na le moroalo o tsoang kantle. 20:52.430 --> 21:00.086 Kahoo, seo se bolela hore ho boetse ho na le setsi sa khaso mona sebakeng sena se sebeletsang bohle, seteishene se le seng. 21:00.086 --> 21:05.910 Mme he, ehlile, re tlameha ho itšireletsa ka ho se lumelle mahlaseli hore a kene malapeng a rona. 21:05.910 --> 21:10.336 Motsamaisi: Ho lokile, e. Ha re shebeng mehato hape hamorao. 21:10.336 --> 21:15.323 Motsamaisi: Petra, ke ne ke batla ho o botsa: Ke liphetoho life tseo o li hlokomelang ho bakuli ha ba 21:15.323 --> 21:20.873 tla ho wena sebakeng se nang le mahlaseli a fokolang? 21:20.873 --> 21:25.850 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: Bana ke batho bao ka nako e 'ngoe ba tlang ba na le maikutlo a tebileng haholo. 21:25.850 --> 21:35.631 Bana ke batho ba sa lemohe ho hang hore sena se mpefaditse matšoao a bona bophelong ka tsela e 21:35.631 --> 21:40.630 kholo, 'me ke bona ba re fang maikutlo khafetsa. 21:40.630 --> 21:51.910 Empa se hlileng se le setle, le seo ke hlileng ke ikoahlaelang sona haholo, ke hore ha re sa tshepa mmele hore o itlhokomele 21:51.910 --> 21:57.503 le ho boelana hanghang ha o lokolohile kgatellong ena. 21:57.503 --> 22:05.030 Mme ke ntho eo le rona re e utlwang ka matla ho bakudi ha ba le mona. 22:05.030 --> 22:13.283 Jwale, ha ke batle ho bolela hore bohle ba tla ikutlwa ba phutholohile hanghang 22:13.283 --> 22:17.890 mona, empa bonyane re qala tshebetso e ntle. 22:17.890 --> 22:22.570 Mme ke mona, re dutse reschorenteng ya rona e ntle. 22:22.570 --> 22:25.350 Re boetse re na le kichine e nang le lijo tsa tlhaho haholo mona. 22:25.350 --> 22:30.910 Ha re sebedise gluten. Ha re sebedise lebese la kgomo kapa tswekere. Ke phetho! 22:30.910 --> 22:38.582 Ha se tikoloho ena e se nang mahlaseli a seea-le-moea feela e fang 'mele matla a itseng a 22:38.582 --> 22:42.486 ho ipholisa, ao re a bonang ka matla haholo. 22:42.486 --> 22:51.390 Ke bohlokoa haholo ts'ebetsong e etsahalang mona, ntle le hore nna ke bile ke sa lemohe. 22:51.390 --> 22:55.250 Hobane ho na le lintho tse ngata haholo tseo ke seng ke sa khone ho li bona bophelong ba letsatsi le letsatsi. 22:55.250 --> 22:59.550 Hona joale ke eng kannete – kamehla ke tsohle! 22:59.550 --> 23:04.430 Molaodi: E, ke a utlwisisa. Mme o fa bakudi keletso efe ha ba tloha tleliniking? 23:04.430 --> 23:09.110 Na re bua ka ho pepesehela mahlaseli lapeng kapa bophelong ba letsatsi le letsatsi? 23:09.110 --> 23:13.440 Mme batho ba ka itshireletsa jwang kgahlanong le mahlaseli? 23:13.440 --> 23:19.440 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: Ke 'na ke etsang qeto ea hore na ke lula kae le hore na ke phela joang. 23:19.440 --> 23:25.710 Mme ho pepesehela mahlaseli ho ka qala le ho matlafatsa ho putlama ha mmele ka hare. 23:25.710 --> 23:32.256 Kahoo ho 'na, seo se bolela: ke qala kae ho fokotsa? 23:32.256 --> 23:39.690 Sena se bolela hore nka sebedisa switjhi ya marangrang ya mahala ho tima Wi-Fi ya ka ka ho feletseng bosiu. 23:39.690 --> 23:46.010 Kahoo, tsena ke lintho tseo mohlomong nka li fetolelang kapa tsa li lokisetsa 'na, ebe kea li bua nakong ea lipuisano tse telele: 23:46.010 --> 23:49.440 Rona, re tla bua mohaleng oa lapeng bosiung bona. 23:49.440 --> 23:55.687 Kahoo, ka tsela e 'ngoe kapa e 'ngoe, tima mohala ona oa thekeng; o behe mohala ona oa thekeng 23:55.687 --> 23:59.433 mokhoeng oa sefofane; u se ke oa o jara ho 'na ho hang. 23:59.433 --> 24:09.566 Ho e ba ka lebokoseng; ho e sebelisa ha ke e hloka. Empa, ka lebaka la Molimo, eseng mona ka pokothong ea ka ea sefuba! 24:09.566 --> 24:14.048 Ka kopo, ka lebaka la Molimo, eseng mona ka lehlakoreng le lebang matšongoa! 24:14.048 --> 24:16.590 Mme, ka hodima tsohle, ka bokgutshwane bo ka kgonehang. 24:16.590 --> 24:24.540 Ho robala tlas'a tente bosiu le mast ea seea-le-moea ka pel'a ka, kapa Wi-Fi kaholimo/ka tlase. 24:24.540 --> 24:27.610 Motsamaisi: Hantle. Joale potso e le 'ngoe ea ho qetela ho lona ka bobeli ho phethela: 24:27.610 --> 24:32.710 U ka rata ho bona eng hape bakeng sa bokamoso ba Swiss Mountain Clinic? 24:35.066 --> 24:42.871 Ulf Wiechel: Hantle, ehlile, re lakatsa ho bona tleliniki e atleha moruong e le hore re be le motheo o tiileng, re tsoele 24:42.871 --> 24:49.546 pele ho ntshetsa tleliniki pele lilemong tse 'maloa tse tlang, mme mohlomong re fumane kananelo e kholoanyane ho 24:49.546 --> 24:55.471 tsoa ho lik'hamphani tsa inshorense ea bophelo bo botle nakong e tlang – haholo-holo Switzerland. 24:55.471 --> 25:00.350 Hobane bakuli ba tsoang kantle ho naha baa tseba, ehlile, hore ba tlameha ho lefella litšebeletso ka boikemelo. 25:00.350 --> 25:06.069 Ha ho tluwa ho bakudi ba Switzerland, hangata ho ntlhaba ha ke bala hore ditopo tsa bona ha di 25:06.069 --> 25:09.553 ananelwe le hore batho ba leka ho qoba ho lefa. 25:09.553 --> 25:16.034 E, eo e ka ba sepheo sa ka, kapa feela takatso ea ka. 25:16.034 --> 25:25.477 Ngaka Petra Wiechel: E, nka thabela ho bona e ntse e hola ho ba sebaka se seng e le sa batho ba kulang feela, empa 25:25.477 --> 25:30.419 ho e-na le hoo nka thabela ho ba motho ea ba sireletsang. 25:30.419 --> 25:32.025 Motsamaisi: Kahoo le batho ba phetseng hantle ba tla? 25:32.025 --> 25:38.421 Dr. Petra Wiechel: Ehlile. Kahoo mohopolo ona oa ho itšireletsa, eseng ho kena butle-butle ho hong hosane 25:38.421 --> 25:44.533 feela hobane ke etsa ho latela tsebo ea ka, kelello ea ka e ka hare, 'me ha ke elelloe kotsi. 25:44.533 --> 25:52.600 Mme ho ba hlokolosi ha se thibelo, empa ho ba hlokolosi ke tlhokomelo. Mme tlhokomelo e hloka tsebo. 25:52.600 --> 25:59.493 Mme eo e ka ba takatso ya ka e kgolo ka ho fetisisa, hobane moloko o latelang o se o re shebile, hore morero o tswele pele. 25:59.493 --> 26:06.960 Mme kamehla ho tla ba le sebaka se senyenyane kae-kae se – ha re re – se o dumellang ho ba le kamano e tobileng haholo le e 26:06.960 --> 26:14.914 haufi-ufi le bakudi bana, e le hore bohle ba tsebe: ha se kamehla e le bahlaselwa, bahlaselwa ba bokudi ba bona, bahlaselwa ba nako 26:14.914 --> 26:22.685 ya bona, bahlaselwa ba maphelo a bona, empa ho ena le hoo ba na le matla nako e nngwe le e nngwe le ka hora efe kapa efe ho etsa 26:22.685 --> 26:29.100 ho hong le ho tlisa phetoho. Mme ke ntho eo ba ka e ithutang. 26:29.100 --> 26:31.870 Motsamaisi: Hantle haholo! Kea leboha haholo ka puisano ena. 26:31.870 --> 26:36.300 Re le lakaletsa katleho e kgolo morerong wa lona wa Swiss Mountain Clinic; ho hlakile hore le rata 26:36.300 --> 26:38.890 seo le se etsang ka pelo yohle. Re a leboha haholo. 26:38.890 --> 26:40.870 Ulf Wiechel: Kea leboha. Dr. Petra Wiechel: Kea leboha. 26:40.870 --> 26:43.330 Ulf Wiechel: Ha re bone. Ke ne ke batla ho o bontsha hanyane. 26:43.330 --> 26:46.106 … Molaoli: E, ehlile! Ha re shebeng seo. 26:46.106 --> 26:49.910 Leeto: Ulf Wiechel: Ho lokile. Jwale re mona ka pela "ntlo ya rona ya sebaka se shoeleng," jwalo ka ha ke dula ke e bitsa. 26:49.910 --> 26:51.790 Mme ka mora moo re tla kena mona. 26:51.790 --> 26:53.696 … Molaoli: Joale ke labalabela ho tseba! 26:53.696 --> 27:01.545 Ulf Wiechel: ... hantle-ntle! Mme ke koala lemati. Mme pele ho moo, ehlile, ke kopa bakuli bohle ho tima mehala ea bona ea 27:01.545 --> 27:08.237 selefouno ka lekhetlo la ho qetela. Mme haeba ba ntse ba e tšoere – hantle, boholo ba bona ha ba e-s'o e 27:08.237 --> 27:15.913 tšoare. E mong oa bona o boela o sheba hape 'me o hlokomela hore o tšoeroe, kahoo o e tlohela. 27:18.960 --> 27:25.326 Hape ke nnete hore ha ba kena mona, o ka utlwa kgutso ya phaposi ena. 27:25.326 --> 27:31.950 Re tima mehala yohle ya motlakase mona. 27:31.950 --> 27:38.690 Kahoo ho na le mehala ea 12-volt feela, 'me ha ho na mosi oa motlakase kapa mahlaseli. 27:38.690 --> 27:48.652 Mme re sirelelitse phaposi ena ka pampiri ea tšepe, ra koahela marako le siling ka botlalo – ehlile tsena li tlameha ho hokelloa 27:48.652 --> 27:55.501 fatše – eaba re kenya pampiri ea khabone holimo. Ka bokhutšoanyane, re hahile k'heisi ea 27:55.501 --> 27:59.926 Faraday mona, eo bakuli joale ba ka e sebelisang. 27:59.926 --> 28:08.970 Hape ke kgopotso ho bakudi hore ba ka itshireletsa, e! 28:08.970 --> 28:13.653 Re batla ho bontša bakuli, ha re batle ho re: Lahla fono ea hau ea selefouno! 28:13.653 --> 28:17.610 Re batla ho mmolella: Sebedisa mohala wa hao wa letsoho ha o o hloka! 28:17.610 --> 28:23.690 Hona joale re fihla sebakeng se secha sa phekolo ea bongaka se qapiloeng bocha. 28:23.690 --> 28:26.750 Mme re atolositse. 28:26.750 --> 28:36.013 Mona o ka bona sebaka se bohareng – re sebelisitse likhoele tsa motlakase tsa 12-volt bakeng sa moralo oohle oa mabone mona. 28:36.013 --> 28:40.960 Re na le transformer ka phaposing ea kenyo ea motlakase e le hore e se ke ea baka tšitiso. 28:40.960 --> 28:44.093 Re na le likheibole tse sirelelitsoeng bakeng sa likheibole tse ling kaofela. 28:44.093 --> 28:46.690 Tsena ke mabota a polasetere ea letsopa. 28:46.690 --> 28:56.750 Mokato mona ke konkreite. Re ile ra tlotsa lera le 'maloa la seretse sa bolelele ba 3.5 ho isa ho 4 cm moo. 28:56.750 --> 29:07.933 Ona ke letsopa le nonneng ka khabone e belisitsoeng, makgapetla a patsi, dimela tsa hemp, 29:07.933 --> 29:15.090 makgapetla a Swiss stone pine le dipitsa tsa porcelain. 29:15.090 --> 29:26.127 Sena se theha tlelaemete ea sona e nyenyane. Kahoo ha re hloke moea o pholileng. Ha re hloke ho futhumatsa 29:26.127 --> 29:35.333 mona hobane se laola mongobo le mocheso, hape se thibela statike. Kahoo se babatseha, e. 29:35.333 --> 29:41.117 Ulf Wiechel: Joale re na le kamore e ncha ea kalafo mona. Re hokahantse seteishene se seng le se 29:41.117 --> 29:45.379 seng sa mosebetsi le sokete ea sona ea inthanete. 29:45.379 --> 29:49.344 Sebaka se seng le se seng sa mosebetsi se na le leseli la sona. 29:49.344 --> 29:57.290 Mme re ile ra tsetela le Swisscom dilemo tse tharo kapa tse nne tse fetileng. Re ile ra kenya thapo ya rona 29:57.290 --> 30:01.170 ya fibre optic ho tloha Grono ho ya sebakeng sa rona. 30:01.170 --> 30:06.087 Ulf Wiechel: E ne e boetse e le letsete le leholo haholo. Empa re ile ra tlameha ho tlohela Wi-Fi. Re ile ra 30:06.087 --> 30:09.070 tlameha ho tlohela kamohelo ea satellite bakeng sa inthanete. 30:09.070 --> 30:11.330 Re hloka inthanete, inthanete e lebelo. 30:11.330 --> 30:13.553 Re na le bamameli ba machaba. 30:13.553 --> 30:19.110 Ka hona ra etsa qeto ya ho hlomella diphaposi tsohle ka dikgwele tsa fibre optic. 30:19.110 --> 30:25.100 Kahoo, tsena ke likamore tse tharo tse netefalitsoeng tse se nang mosi oa motlakase. 30:25.100 --> 30:31.375 Ulf Wiechel: Hona joale re na le sehlahabi sa marang-rang mona, hoo e ka bang betheng e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe 30:31.375 --> 30:37.159 likamoreng tsena, 'me seo se laola mabone ohle le phepelo eohle ea motlakase ka phaposing. 30:37.159 --> 30:42.650 Mme mokudi o ba a lokolohile ka ho feletseng mona tshekanelong ya maqhubu a tlase. 30:42.650 --> 30:46.633 Kahoo, ha re na maqhubu a phahameng kapa a tlase. 30:46.633 --> 30:53.980 Mme diphaposi tsena jwale le tsona di apesitswe ka ho feletseng ka pampiri ya lebota ya tshepe – eo ehlile e lokelang 30:53.980 --> 31:01.130 ho kwalwa ka pampiri e ntjha ya lebota kapa pente, hobane ha e kgahlehe – eo hape e hokahantsweng le lefatshe. 31:01.130 --> 31:05.696 Likamore tsena li na le likharetene tse thibelang leseli ka ho feletseng. 31:05.696 --> 31:13.952 Tsena ke likharetene tsa silevera tse nang le khoele ea silevera hape li hokahantsoe le fatše. 31:13.952 --> 31:18.653 Kahoo, seo ha e le hantle se fana ka tšireletso e feletseng mona. 31:18.653 --> 31:27.184 Leqepheng lena, re na le – jwalokaha re entse ka dikamoreng tse ding kaofela – hobane ka dikamoreng tse sa sireletswang ka 31:27.184 --> 31:34.317 botlalo, re kgomareditse pampiri ya khabone leboteng le ka bophirimela la ntlo, ra e kgomaretsa habedi 31:34.317 --> 31:41.350 hore metshetshe e kopane, mme hobane sefetisi, sefetisi sa seea-le-moea, se tswa ka bophirimela. 31:41.350 --> 31:44.333 Ka hona, ho batla ho dula ho na le kgoreletso. 31:44.333 --> 31:50.518 Re kena-kenya kamanong, mme bakuli ba ka dikamoreng tse ding le bona ba ba le boemo bo 31:50.518 --> 31:55.306 fokoditsweng haholo ba tshilafalo ya motlakase. 31:55.306 --> 31:59.433 Bakuli ka tlhaho ba nna ba mpotsa, "Nka itshireletsa jwang lapeng?" 31:59.433 --> 32:02.470 Seetla sena se ntshireletsa ka botlalo. 32:02.470 --> 32:15.710 Kahoo, nakong ea ka ea ho ipholisa – ha ke robetse, e leng karolo ea bohlokoahali ea letsatsi – ke sirelelitsoe ka botlalo. 32:15.710 --> 32:19.890 Mme hape ke ntho eo o ka e pakang ka sutukheiseng ya hao mme wa tsamaya le yona. 32:19.890 --> 32:31.008 E, tsena ke litekanyo tsa rona: lithapo tsa fibre optic, ha ho Wi-Fi, ha ho mehala ea letsoho. 32:31.008 --> 32:34.176 Molaoli: Ha ho mehala ea letsoho. Ulf Wiechel: Ha ho mehala ea letsoho, hantle-ntle. 32:34.176 --> 32:39.250 Ee, ke nahana hore ke sona seo o ka se etsang. 32:39.250 --> 32:42.966 Haeba o elellwa, o mpa o e etsa feela. 32:42.966 --> 32:46.950 Motsamaisi: Ke leboha haholo ka leeto lena, le ne le thabisa ebile le khahla haholo. 32:46.950 --> 32:48.390 Ulf Wiechel: E, kea leboha! Ke kamoo ho leng kateng. Motsamaisi: Kea leboha!