Below you can see a Kla.
TV interview with the evolutionary biologist working in Germany and the USA Prof. Dr. Ulrich Kutschera.
He is known for his criticism of gender ideology and marriage with adoption rights for all.
Mr. Kutschera is also researching the topic
Bacterial pathogens in humans and animals and has criticized the corona measures against this background.
Prof. Kutschera is a scientific member of the Association of Physicians and Scientists for
Health, Freedom and Democracy, e.V. (MWGFD), headed by Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi.
Professor Kutschera, your book Der Corona-Wahn - von der Virusangst zurück
zur Klimahysterie was published a few months ago.
What motivated you to write this comprehensive and very provocative educational text?
First of all, thank you very much for the kind invitation.
I would also like to start with a big compliment to Kla.TV.
So you have the important merit of having already distributed very good educational films in 2020.
It is of course an honor for me to be able to continue contributing facts in this tradition.
All right, what were the motives?
First and foremost, of course, my own research and secondly, my professional experience
at Stanford, California, especially with Chinese scientists.
I was also a consulting professor in Beijing, China, in 2014.
Now for our own research.
I have been researching freshwater animals for decades - you have a nice picture
- with a focus on medicinal leeches and their relatives.
Again, specifically sexual biology.
Of course, we don't want to address this topic today, but we do want to talk about classic leeches.
And I would like to start with a demonstration.
Why is this important in this day and age?
Imagine if I were to lose my finger in an accident, which I hope won't happen.
The finger is then sutured, which can still be done today
in classical surgery, and now it would make sense to use a medical leech ...
This is an alcoholic specimen, a dead
leech, if you were to place it here, yes, the circulation would finally start and the lost finger would grow much faster.
This means that medical leeches - Hirudo therapy - play a major role in plastic surgery.
Now we come straight to the topic.
In about one to two percent of all cases, the leech transmits
bacteria when it bites - when it bites the patient.
This means that we are researching zoonotically transmitted bacteria and
have also investigated the bacterial fauna in the leech gullet in particular.
Of course, this fits in perfectly with the coronavirus issue.
This is also about a host-parasite interaction.
Look - 200 years ago, when they went into the pond, the children,
for example, were repeatedly attacked by leeches.
Can also end really badly.
So we have a parasite, we have a host.
Then we started with molecular analyses, i.e.
using gene sequences I was able to show (I published this in Nature at the time)
that medicinal leeches are divided into two different species.
I was able to identify around 15 different animal species using gene sequences.
This brings us to the keyword
PCR method, because without PCR there are no gene sequences.
PCR technology has of course revolutionized evolutionary biology as a field of research.
Then, of course, I also contributed a great deal to
mRNA research at Stanford, California.
Then later on to proteome research, which brings us to vaccines, which brings us to spike proteins.
This is because spike proteins are examined using proteomics, i.e. proteome technology.
Later on, I also carried out my research into CO₂ gas exchange measurement.
So if, for example, they are forced to wear a medical muzzle, then we have
the problem that the carbon dioxide they exhale accumulates. CO₂ problem.
Professional experience, and above all: what makes people in China tick?
As a consulting professor, I have advised colleagues on how to carry out research projects, and all
of this has been incorporated into this book.
So, to cut a long story short, decades of my own research work
plus the professional experience with Chinese scientists
that I got to know in the USA and with whom I still work, and then also
the experience in China.
You could say a lot about it, I've only briefly outlined it now.
Okay.
The opening credits contain the following sentence: "This text contains shocking facts about coronavirus, the
problem of climate change and the gruesome deaths of E.T.A. Hoffmann and Clemens Arvay.
As an author, why are you warning readers about your own book?
I've been asked that a few times,
and now I have the chance to answer it on camera.
You have to remember that I still earn my living today as a Professor of
Biology, so I have projects based mainly in California, but also in Germany.
And the 16 books I have written so far have of course been written purely out of idealism.
To be honest, I wrote this green book Der Corona-Wahn , which is the subject
of this article, primarily as documentation for posterity.
The book is in all major libraries and will perhaps be of great relevance in 30 or 40 years' time.
There are good books on the subject, no question.
My colleagues - for example Professor Sucharit Bhakdi or Professor Stefan
Homburg - have of course written great summaries.
But I presume that this is a kind of insider report. I'm
practically a war correspondent on the front line.
And in the text I have also explained many things that have
a completely different effect based on my own research experience.
For example, what you have done to the children
with the testing, if you really know the details.
Then, of course, you will wonder what it has to do with E.T.A. Hoffmann.
Very, very much, because the first edition came out in 2022, at the end of 2022.
So this was the 200th anniversary of Hoffmann's death. I am a member of the E.T.A. Hoffmann Society.
I studied biology, chemistry and musicology, and have
been studying E.T.A. Hoffmann on the side for decades.
Clemens Arvay took his own life because, among other things, he had been massively
attacked and beaten down as a corona critic on Wikipedia.
I also dedicated the second edition to Clemens Arvay.
I also explained the causes of his cruel suicide in detail.
And these are all reports - the death of E.T.A. Hoffmann - for
the first time in the entire history of literature:
What was going on? He was tortured to death with branding irons.
This is all described here, but all backed up by facts.
I have listed over 300 sources, so you really need strong nerves
for this horror report, which of course also contains
humorous passages.
I have included a glossary where all the terms are explained.
And therefore this preliminary remark.
So anyone who buys and reads the book will need strong nerves in some places, because I have simply described horrendous
things, written them down for posterity and documented them, which are unfortunately the case.
And I have to be honest, I can hardly understand many things even today:
Why, for example, this mask craze now, why people have been forced to wear medical
masks, even though it was already clear beforehand that under
real-world conditions, worn by laypeople, these masks do much more harm than good.
It is in this sense that this preliminary remark has been made.
Okay. The book title itself: The Corona Delusion. Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration?
The media always tell us that corona has cost millions of people their lives.
As a scientist, I naturally define my terms.
The term 'delusion' has just been beautifully defined by the philosopher and psychologist Karl Jaspers.
So I read a lot of Karl Jaspers' writings - his introduction to philosophy
- as a student and it always made a big impression on me.
And in the 1920s, Karl Jaspers defined the term 'delusion' as a misjudgment of reality.
That fits 100% with the whole situation.
Albert Einstein later said, or is said to have said:
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Let me give you an example. Our schoolchildren were tortured with tests.
The tests are toxic. A Biohazard bag was included.
I have also documented this beautifully in the book: 99.99% of all tests in children are negative.
The few positive tests were probably false positives.
Because children, and here's something very, very important for the politicians here:
in children, the uptake of viral pathogens and of course also of SARS-CoV-2 viruses in the nasal mucosa - which is essentially where the uptake takes place - hardly takes place because
the receptors are hardly developed in children!
Children were never at any particular risk if they grew up in normal health.
There is also cross-immunity. Look, children are running around with snotty noses.
If you have a normal cold, not a viral one, then 30% of it is caused by coronaviruses.
Not SARS-CoV-2, but genetically related other coronaviruses. This means that children have cross-immunity.
In my case, when the Corona theater - the Corona craze - started, I had a really nice, non-feverish cold.
This cold has given me a wonderful cross-immunity.
So the term 'delusion', the term - I stand behind it - is a misjudgment of reality.
Then what about the millions of dead?
We can take a look at a recent issue of Science, where we will come back to this later. There you will find the number - allegedly 7 million worldwide - of people who have died from or with Covid-19.
I'll tell you one thing:
In real terms, it will be perhaps 2 million. That's a lot, of course, and it's also bad. I would not doubt that the coronaviruses, i.e. SARS-CoV-2 viruses as new species, viral species, would be bad.
But if you look at 8000 million, 8 billion people on earth, there are 2 million deaths.
If they did exist (I have my doubts) - that's nothing.
We have over 99.99% of the world's population who have not been affected by the pandemic.
That is something very, very, very clear. In biology, a pandemic is a deadly disease that affects the entire population.
There was no excess mortality either in Germany or worldwide.
A pandemic without excess mortality is like eating without food.
So when I say I have a plate like this, I have schnitzel on it. Then I say, I'll eat this now.
Then someone comes here and says, but I haven't eaten anything.
Then I say: I ate without eating. It's like a pandemic without excess mortality.
Any mentally healthy person would say: the guy who sits there in front of the plate and says he eats without eating is insane.
The politicians who are constantly talking about a pandemic without excess mortality, I simply use
the word 'delusion' to describe them by virtue of my expertise.
That's where it comes from.
You also write and justify that most of the coronavirus measures have done more harm than good.
Masks, tests - you've already mentioned masks, lockdowns, etc. Was
all that really superfluous? The word is: No. Pay attention.
There are, of course, absolutely sensible measures to minimize viral or bacterial infections.
This also comes from my own research.
We had an expensive research project where we investigated this:
How can this infection, which occurs in 1-2% of patients and can be quite unpleasant, be prevented?
We have developed a special film for this purpose. This is now patented.
One slide.
You can put a foil over it, the leech bites through it, so then we have a 99% reduction in the infection of a bite wound by leeches!
Now I come back to the corona problem.
For example, if you look at winter viruses - all the viruses that cause respiratory diseases
are winter viruses. There are seasonal cycles that appear in winter, disappear in summer and reappear again.
This is a host-parasite interaction. I could say a lot about that now.
Of course, it makes sense to simply ban large indoor events in winter, for example.
Imagine you have a room, a rock concert, so there are 1,000 people in there, and a
few of them have the flu or the sniffles - because they want to attend the rock concert - they're
coughing and sniffling around,
- you have a wonderful epidemic situation with local implications. Namely in this room.
So, for example, banning large winter events in closed rooms would be a
sensible measure, regardless of Covid-19.
It also makes perfect sense to ventilate rooms.
There are scientific studies - I quoted all of them in the Corona Delusion book.
It can be shown that if classrooms or streetcars or trains, for example,
have a moderate air supply, i.e. a moderate air flow, then this provides
more real protection than any pointless muzzles, which are contaminated
with bacteria and fungal hyphae after a short time - after two hours indoors.
I also showed all these disgusting masks in the book, the things that have grown
there are horrendous: Aspergillus Niger, for example, or human pathogenic bacteria.
So ventilation makes perfect sense.
Then you will be surprised, even the PCR tests
make sense. Imagine I now have classic symptoms that indicate a Covid disease.
So dry cough, fever, breathing problems.
A doctor would now take a sample professionally. Multiple times. Three times.
And then he would use the PCR technique in a way that makes sense -
namely turning the thermal cycler under 24, under 24 multiplication cycles.
And that would be positive, it would make perfect sense.
You could say that these symptoms, i.e. this obvious illness,
are very probably caused by SARS-CoV-2 viruses.
But what was done was something completely different.
Asymptomatic healthy people were tested, the thermocycler was set to 30, i.e. the CT value was set
to 30, and only viral fragments were multiplied.
So in practice, really pointless, health-endangering things like
masking children, testing with toxic material,
for example ... the lockdowns didn't help at all.
That was already in mid-2020, there were already scientific studies
in the USA, the Revolver News, you have to read that, there was already a 50-page
report that showed that the measures are pointless.
To praise Kla.TV again: They did a wonderful job of bringing this to the public. Congratulations on this.
Thank you very much.
Once again about the so-called corona vaccinations. They write that these mRNA injections have done more harm than good.
And so-called booster vaccinations are currently being recommended again for people over 60.
How does that fit?
So I just have to say it briefly, I actually come from a background of pond freshwater biology and
I got there from Stanford, California, many years ago....
And back in the mid-1980s - every biologist who wanted to become something had to do genetic research.
Nothing worked without genetic research.
At that time, however, genetic research was conducted at
the level of messenger RNA, because messenger RNA is a gene transcript.
So we isolated mRNA and wrote corresponding publications back then.
In 2007, much later again, the proteome technology had matured to such an extent
that I went back to Stanford. I'm still there today as a visiting scientist.
And then we examined the proteome.
This means that we were able to detect the proteins formed in a cell -
up to 2000 proteins - using standard methods.
I am really an insider when I talk about mRNA technology and spike proteins, because
I have carried out the techniques myself, I know my way around.
Now to the booster series.
To summarize briefly: These mRNA lipid
nanoparticle injections that are sold as a vaccination, that has
nothing to do with vaccination, it's a gene transcript therapy (that's
the right word).
The logic is as follows, and Kla.TV needs to be clear about this
- if you get an average batch, it depends on
the batch, it's more or less a batch lottery.
The batch may contain nothing at all, it may be highly toxic (5%
contaminated), it may be in the middle range.
If you happen to get an average batch, antibodies
against the spike protein will indeed be formed within a few days.
And now the logic is as follows:
After taking blood samples in a test tube, not with leeches,
but in this case in a different way (you don't need leeches for this), you
can actually show that the so-called vaccinated or the so-called boosted, that there is
an increase in antibodies in the blood serum.
However, this decreases again after four months, then turns negative
and ultimately leads to immunosuppression.
But the logic is now this:
The companies say: An increase in these antibodies after this
mRNA injection now theoretically leads to a protective function via a model published in
Nature Medicine (with calibration curve).
The companies argue:
There is a real increase in antibody levels and this now leads to a theoretical protective function.
You can now go one step further, you can
say: I've just been vaccinated with mRNA,
I go into a closed room and someone coughs at me who is
highly infected with SARS-CoV-2 viruses, i.e. who has Covid-19 disease.
And under these completely crazy conditions,
a protective function should then theoretically occur.
That's true, but it has nothing to do with the real world.
Firstly, we have the lipid nanoparticles,
which are highly inflammatory and toxic.
We have polyethylene glycol in there, for example.
Imagine a German woman being afraid of cosmetics because they contain PEG.
However, the PEG can be injected.
So the lipid nanoparticles are problematic.
The mRNA has been chemically modified,
i.e. it is a pseudouridine mRNA, which is also more than problematic because the body
is ultimately confronted with an agent that is not at all
intended in evolutionary terms.
And thirdly, we have the spikes.
So firstly, we have toxic or inflammation-causing lipid nanoparticles,
we have modified mRNA, which is problematic, and we have the
toxic spike proteins.
I would therefore prefer to focus on prevention rather than another boost.
I would rather boost my immune system than have another booster injected into me.
And I have explained this in detail in the book.
In this day and age, a professor is no longer allowed to speak freely.
That used to be the case.
All the provocative things I say here can all be read.
And if anyone wants to sue me in any way, then they
should look at page so and so in the book, where they
will find the source.
In the very first chapter of your book, you quote
a new book by Bill
Gates: How to Prevent the Next Pandemic.
Corona is officially over - at least there are no longer any serious measures as in previous years.
Is the follow-up pandemic coming soon with other or worse viruses or new viruses?
So whenever I'm working in California, I live in Palo Alto and I know where Bill Gates lives.
I've already walked past, he has police protection,
next to the neighbor, Zuckerberg, so they're friends.
And when you have a lot of contact with California,
you hear a lot of things that you don't hear as much about in Germany through the media.
For example: Bill Gates dreams (he has already said this, he has also written this) that he
wants to eradicate all viral pathogens.
So roughly a clean environment for people - no more viral pathogens.
Now I'll tell you one thing: Viruses are extremely important for the biosphere.
There are also good viruses. Why?
The majority of viruses attack bacteria. These are the so-called bacteriophages.
And these good viruses kill bacteria.
And if we were to wipe out the viruses or drastically reduce them,
like a CO₂-free environment - that's the same madness, it's just insane
- then the bacteria would naturally overform.
Bacteria are kept in check by viruses. We need viruses.
And humans have always grown up in an environment contaminated with viruses and bacteria.
Viruses are part of life, without viruses there would be huge problems.
Of course, that's not to say that I like getting viral illnesses
myself, such as colds or flu or even SARS-CoV-2 viruses, i.e. Covid-19.
Of course people need to protect themselves.
But we've already told you how to do that.
Now for the next pandemic.
He says it in the book: The next pandemic is coming!
Monkeypox was declared by the WHO.
That was a pipe burst.
That went up and then it was over.
At the moment, we have the problem of massive viral infections in children in China.
I can reassure you, I also have insider information.
The biologists who have studied these virus cocktails have found nothing special.
It seems to be a standard cold wave.
This again has to do with the fact that children, especially in China, no longer do any sport at all.
Many of them are now overweight, they just sit around on their cell
phones - addicted. Then the immune system goes down.
When the winter viruses then arrive quite
naturally in winter, the host organisms are not able to
cope with this infection, this real infection.
There really will be a new pandemic at some point.
With the pandemic treaty, the WHO wants
a voucher, so to speak, so that they can say:
Hello - we now have a pandemic contract. Now the next pandemic is coming.
The last pandemic was not a pandemic because there was no excess mortality.
So to repeat: a pandemic without excess mortality is like talking on a cell phone with an empty battery.
If someone has a cell phone and the battery is empty and they keep talking and
talking, people will say, what's going on here?
Then he says: I'm on a call with an empty battery.
They will say: It's a misjudgment of reality, he's insane.
That's why the book is also called The Corona
Delusion . So the next pandemic will certainly be announced.
It will come at some point.
You recently referred to an article in the latest issue of Nature Science that already announced the next pandemic.
Yes, you can read that: Preparing for the next pandemic
in 'Science -' there is already talk of the next pandemic.
There are also the 7 million alleged Covid deaths out of 8 billion people.
That's completely crazy.
The fact that the people who write for Science can't use a calculator,
can't work out the rule of three, that's absolutely
pathetic. I'm glad that we can discuss this here.
Even if 7 million had died, over 99.9% would still have survived.
This is not the case with a pandemic - not by definition.
So, in all seriousness - I tend to make jokes here with Californian
humor, you'll excuse me - they're sure to pull something out of the hat.
That is why the pandemic treaty must be prevented, to cut a long story short.
So perhaps a sentence, a postscript.
Disease X, as I described in the foreword to the book, was
a FAZ headline on February 16, 2020.
Disease X has a name.
In 2018, a disease X caused by coronavirus was pulled out of a hat at a WHO meeting.
Then came something real.
The SARS-CoV-2 viruses really do exist.
Then they defined it as disease X.
And I'll tell you one thing, disease Y will be conjured out of a hat at some point.
Only then do we really have to guard against this madness.
That must not happen again.
They take a critically negative view of all the coronavirus measures.
And the vaccinations don't really go down well with you either.
In your opinion, how can we protect ourselves from coronavirus and flu-like illnesses?
Imagine the genus Homo, 2.5 million years old. Homo erectus.
And now, around 250,000 years ago, the anatomically modern human has emerged.
Throughout these millions of years and millennia, we have always
been exposed as potential host organisms not only to
my favorites, the leeches (which have also attacked humans).
But also - if you are bitten by leeches - bacterial infections and, of course, serious respiratory
diseases caused by viruses and other things.
So we can basically say: why not simply boost the immune
system of the host organism?
That is why I have summarized a principle of biological virus infection defense
at the end of the book. I called it Bio-Vir-Up, you need a nice name for everything.
To make a long story short: Viruses penetrate naturally through the nasal mucosa.
A cold nose is very dangerous. Cold, freezing is dangerous.
This is where viruses can penetrate.
And if we now keep our immune system active by getting enough sleep, exercising
and leading a healthy lifestyle, especially with vitamin D, then we are much, much less sensitive.
That needs to be made clear once again. Why am I talking about evolution now?
We come from Africa. We are bleached, formerly dark-pigmented African descendants.
We have far too little sun here in Central Europe.
We suffer chronically from vitamin D deficiency.
We've hardly had any sunshine here in Germany for weeks.
Where is vitamin D found?
Egg yolk, mushrooms, fish. That was it.
So I would strongly advise it:
Egg yolk, mushrooms, fish, perhaps also vitamin D supplements, but
then one small pill a week, not too much. Too much is always bad.
There are also antiviral nasal sprays for people who are afraid of viruses.
There's a company that makes them. These are antiviral nasal sprays containing nitric oxide.
If you take this and treat your nasal cavity with it every
few days, you are very likely to stay healthy.
I would say: boost your immune system!
And avoid these potentially toxic mRNA preparations!
Then you will get through the difficult time now in winter better than if you put yourself through these chemical clubs.
I am not a medical doctor, I am an evolutionary biologist.
But I can justify all my statements.
In the book Der Corona-Wahn you will find a source for every sentence I have uttered here.
Thank you very much. Prof. Kutschera, thank you for this interview and I wish you all the best.
Thank you as well.