WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:03.842 Ho tsebahala hantle hore lipalo le dipalopalo ha di kgahlise bohle. 00:03.842 --> 00:07.667 Batho ba bangata ba thabela ho tlohella bokhanni ba ho bokella le ho hlahloba datha ho 00:07.667 --> 00:10.390 ditsebi, mme ba tshepe diphetho tse hlahisitsweng. 00:10.390 --> 00:13.503 Leha ho le jwalo, sena ha se kamehla e leng tsela e molemo ka ho fetisisa. 00:13.503 --> 00:17.033 Sena se bile jwalo, ka mohlala, ka dipalo tsa mafu tse phatlaladitsweng ke Ofisi ya 00:17.033 --> 00:20.076 Dipalopalo ya Federale nakong ya sewa sa coronavirus. 00:20.076 --> 00:25.373 Kaofela ha rona re bone kamoo Ofisi e ileng ea phatlalatsa sekhahla se phahameng haholo sa mafu a 00:25.373 --> 00:28.110 feteletseng kamora ho qhoma ha tlokotsi ka 2020. 00:28.110 --> 00:32.941 Ka tshehetso ya mecha ya phatlalatso, ho ne ho hlakile ho batho ba bangata: sewa se ntse se bolaea, mme mang 00:32.941 --> 00:36.030 kapa mang ya batlang ho itshireletsa o tlameha ho entwa. 00:36.030 --> 00:38.756 Tšabo e hlahisitsoeng e bile le katleho! 00:38.756 --> 00:43.769 Leha ho le jwalo, boemo bo tla fapana ka 2021 le 2022. 00:43.769 --> 00:46.583 Letsholo le leholo le ne le fihletse sepheo sa lona. 00:46.583 --> 00:49.783 Bongata bo boholo ba baahi bo ne bo entilwe. 00:49.783 --> 00:56.556 Ho latela lipolelo tsa semmuso, ka hona, ho ne ho se ho se na mefokolo e meng mabapi le sekhahla sa mafu. 00:56.556 --> 01:01.936 Leha ho le jwalo, jwalo ka ha setsebi sa tsa boitsebiso ba kgwebo Marcel Barz a boletse, ena ke leshano le pepeneneng. 01:01.936 --> 01:11.383 "Seo ke se bonang ho datha e tala mabapi le mafu se fapane ka ho feletseng le seo setjhaba se se nahanang," ho rialo Barz. 01:11.383 --> 01:16.543 Ka hloko e kholo, o ile a bapisa datha e tala mme a fihlela diqeto tse makatsang. 01:16.543 --> 01:23.963 O fumane hore, ho fapana le dipolelo tsa semmuso, ho ne ho se na lefu le feteletseng ka 2020. 01:23.963 --> 01:28.303 Hase feela hore batho ba bangata ka mokhoa o tšosang ba hlokahetse lilemong tse peli tse latelang, empa 01:28.303 --> 01:33.196 hape le palo e kholo ea basali le banna ba lilemong tse mahareng le tse nyenyane le eona e hlokahetse. 01:33.196 --> 01:40.876 Ka lekgetlo la pele, mekgwa ya mafu le yona e bontshitse mokgwa wa dipaka tsa selemo o sa tlwaelehang ho hang. 01:40.876 --> 01:47.486 Marcel Barz o senola liphoso tse makatsang tse entsoeng ke ba boholong ha ba sebetsana le lipalo tsa semmuso. 01:47.486 --> 01:51.473 Mongoli o ile a ipotsa hore na ho ka etsahala joang hore tlhahisoleseding ya setjhaba 01:51.473 --> 01:54.152 e fapane hakaalo le datha e sa lokiswang? 01:54.152 --> 02:03.398 Shebella pokello ea nehelano ea video hona joale: Sekhahla sa mafu ho datha e sa sebetsoang Mabapi le video ena... Datha ea 02:03.398 --> 02:12.870 semmuso e tsoang Ofising ea Lipalopalo ea Federale e bontša ka ho hlaka hore ho bile le mafu a fetang a tloaelehileng a likete 02:12.870 --> 02:19.560 Jeremane ka 2021 le 2022. Ho hobe le ho feta, ka lekhetlo la pele, keketseho e bonahalang 02:19.560 --> 02:24.570 ea mafu e ama le lihlopha tsa batho ba bacha. 02:24.570 --> 02:31.516 Hobaneng ha re bona, re utloa kapa re bala letho ka sena mecheng ea litaba? Kotsi efe e bolaeang e hapile sechaba sa rona? Ofisi 02:31.516 --> 02:38.407 ea Lipalopalo ea Federale e Wiesbaden e phetha karolo efe? Puong ena, ke tla bontša lipalo-palo tsa semmuso tsa mafu le liphoso 02:38.407 --> 02:43.833 tse makatsang tseo ba boholong ba rona ba li etsang ha ba phatlalatsa lipalo tsena. Rona baahi ha re 02:43.833 --> 02:50.063 fuoe tlhahisoleseding e tšepahalang mabapi le mafu. (Marcel Barz (Jüterbog, 20 Pulungoana 2023)) 02:50.063 --> 02:55.080 Lebitso la ka ke Marcel Barz, ke lilemo li 48. Ke tsoa sebakeng sa Berlin, kapa ho 02:55.080 --> 02:58.416 nepahala haholoanyane, toropong e nyane ea Jüterbog. 02:58.416 --> 03:04.476 Mme ke setsebi se kwetlisitsweng sa IT ya kgwebo, e leng se bolelang hore ke sebetsana le datha le dipalo. 03:04.476 --> 03:10.824 Mme hobane kamehla ke etsa dintho ka nepo e kgolo mme ke hlahloba ntho tsohle habedi, ke iphumanetse lebitso la motho ya 03:10.824 --> 03:14.943 lekanyang dinomoro – leo ha e le hantle ke le motlotlo ka lona. 03:14.943 --> 03:19.496 Kahoo, sehlooho ke: Mafu ho datha e tala. 03:19.496 --> 03:23.323 Ka 'data e tala', ke bolela 'data' e sa fetoloang. 03:23.323 --> 03:30.349 Kahoo, ha ke shebe diphatlalatso tsa boralitaba tse phethilweng kapa ditshwantsho, empa ho ena le hoo ke fumana diphuthelwana tsa 03:30.349 --> 03:35.414 datha tse nang le dintlha tse qaqileng ka hohle kamoo ho ka kgonehang, ebe ke qala ho kopanya 03:35.414 --> 03:40.920 dikakaretso le ho iketsetsa ditshwantsho, jwalo-jwalo. Ke sona seo ke se bolelang ka datha e tala. 03:40.920 --> 03:48.529 Mme ha ho tluwa ditšong, potso ke hore: na ho hlokahetse batho ba bangata kapa ba fokolang Jeremane? 03:48.529 --> 03:54.730 Kahoo ha se palo ea batho feela, empa hape ke tlhahlobo ea hore na ho ne ho na le ba bangata ho feta tloaelo kapa ba fokolang. 03:54.730 --> 03:56.536 Ha ho letho ho feta moo – ke eona potso. 03:56.536 --> 04:07.795 Seo ke se bonang datha e tala mabapi le sekgahla sa mafu se fapane ka ho feletseng le seo setjhaba se se dumelang. 04:07.795 --> 04:15.442 Mme ka ho qaqileng, ho jwalo – mabapi le palo ya mafu ka 2020 – maikutlo a setjhaba ke hore re bile 04:15.442 --> 04:19.849 le keketseho e bonahalang ya mafu ka lebaka la sewa. 04:19.849 --> 04:27.750 Mme le nna ke ne ke kgodisehile hore ho tla ba jwalo ka 2020. Mme boitshwaro ba batho bo ne bo bontsha sena 04:27.750 --> 04:32.216 – le nna ke ne ke tshaba ho shwa, ke tshaba vaerase. 04:32.216 --> 04:36.669 Empa ha ke sheba datha e tala, ke bona hantle se fapaneng. 04:36.669 --> 04:44.668 Ha ke bone feela ho se tloaelehang ka 2020, empa ke bile ke bona sekhahla sa mafu se le 04:44.668 --> 04:49.230 tlase ho feta neng kapa neng nalaneng ka 2020. 04:49.230 --> 04:58.523 Mme potso ke hore: ho ka ba le phapang e kalo pakeng tsa seo datha e se bontshang le seo setjhaba se se nahanang ka sona? 04:58.523 --> 05:00.663 Ke polelo ya ka. 05:00.663 --> 05:05.516 Empa ke tla hlalosa tsena ka botlalo puong ea ka. 05:05.516 --> 05:12.963 Hase feela hore ho ne ho le tjena ka 2020, empa le ka 2022, eo ke tla e nka e le mohlala oa bobeli hona joale, 05:12.963 --> 05:17.136 hape ke se fapaneng hantle le seo sechaba se se nahanang. 05:17.136 --> 05:25.527 Le ha maikutlo a sechaba e le hore ha ho sa na liphoso dipalong tsa bafu, boitshwaro ba batho bo bontsha sena: bophelo bo 05:25.527 --> 05:33.016 tlwaelehileng, ha ho sa na ya buang ka dipalo tsa bafu, re bua ka Ukraine, re bua ka Israel, ho na le ditaba 05:33.016 --> 05:37.636 tse fapaneng ka ho felletseng, Corona ke tsa maobane. 05:37.636 --> 05:45.008 Empa ha ke sheba lipalo tsa mafu, joale ke bona liphoso tsena tseo ba bangata ba neng ba lumela hore ba li 05:45.008 --> 05:49.196 bone ka 2020, 'me joale ke li bona lipalong tsa mafu. 05:49.196 --> 05:55.183 Mme se makatsang ke hore ke boetse ke bona mefokolo ena melokong e metjha. 05:55.183 --> 06:01.490 Ha ke e-s'o be le mekhoa e joalo nakong e fetileng. 06:01.490 --> 06:05.236 Empa jwale ke bona keketseho e bonahalang ya mafu hara meloko e metjha. 06:05.236 --> 06:06.536 Mme seo ke taba e hlollang kannete. 06:06.536 --> 06:13.103 Mme hoa thahasellisa ha re shebisisa ka botebo ka beke le beke, e leng seo chate ena e se bontshang. 06:13.103 --> 06:19.258 Joale ha ke a li beha holim'a tse ling, ho ka rialo, empa ke e 'ngoe kamora e 'ngoe, ho 06:19.258 --> 06:22.303 tloha ka 2011 ho isa ho 2023, ho ka rialo. 06:22.303 --> 06:26.463 Mme ke ile ka sheba morao le ho feta, empa ke e tlositse hajoale hore o tle o bone ho hong. 06:26.463 --> 06:33.152 Mme mola ona o moputswa o mokgokolotsane o emela sekgahla sa mafu, haholoholo bakeng sa sehlopha sa dilemo 06:33.152 --> 06:36.850 sa 45 ho isa ho 50, e leng sehlopha sa ka sa dilemo. 06:36.850 --> 06:41.403 Mme re bona paterone e batlang e tsitsitse. 06:41.403 --> 06:48.823 E, e a phatloha ka holimo le ka tlase, ha re ka rialo, empa e itšoara ka tekano e batlang e lekana. 06:48.823 --> 06:49.748 Ee, kamehla ke mokhoa o tšoanang: 06:49.748 --> 06:54.663 Mariha e phahama hanyane, lehlabula e theoha hanyane, ebe e boela e phahama mariha a latelang. 06:54.663 --> 07:00.983 Mme haeba re ka atolosa sena ka ho le letshehadi, kamehla ho tla fella ka paterone ena. 07:00.983 --> 07:05.543 Mme jwale ho fihla sewa se sebe ka ho fetisisa sa nako tsohle. 07:05.543 --> 07:07.490 Mme ke tjena kamoo e shebahalang kateng. 07:07.490 --> 07:11.790 Mme ka pono ya pele, o re: Ha e le hantle ho tshwana le kamehla. 07:11.790 --> 07:15.056 Mola o motsho ke, ha re ka rialo, mokgwa wa sehla. 07:15.056 --> 07:20.336 Mme re ntse re tsoela pele ka 2020 jwalo ka ha re entse dilemong tse fetileng. 07:20.336 --> 07:26.023 Re bile re bile le phokotseho e sa tloaelehang, e leng ntho ea nalane, ka mantsoe a mang. 07:26.023 --> 07:29.310 Empa ha ke bone mokhoa o bonahalang. 07:29.310 --> 07:35.670 Mme jwale dilemo tsa bo 21 le bo 22 di a eketswa ho seo. 07:35.670 --> 07:44.150 Mme ona ke mokgwa o esong ho bonwe pele sehlopheng sena sa dilemo dilemong tsohle tse fetileng. 07:44.150 --> 07:52.257 Kahoo re ka bona ka ho hlaka hore mola o moputsoa o ntse o le kaholimo haholo ho mola o motsho, o batla o o 07:52.257 --> 07:57.023 phunya feela, le hore ho ntse ho hlaha libaka tse kholo. 07:57.023 --> 08:05.936 Mme seo se bolela feela hore batjha ba bangata ba hlokahetse mona ka lebaka la kotsi e itseng 08:05.936 --> 08:12.576 e leng kantle, eo jwale e hlokang ho fuputswa. 08:12.576 --> 08:16.896 Re ne re eso bone boemo bona ba mafu har'a sehlopha sena sa lilemo pele. 08:16.896 --> 08:20.290 Kahoo, ke sesupo se hlakileng haholo sa tlhokomediso. 08:20.290 --> 08:25.266 Mme ke maketse hore ha ho letho le etsahalang, hobane paterone ena e ne e le siyo pele. Mme 08:25.266 --> 08:29.396 e supetsa nqa e le 'ngoe feela, e leng holimo. 08:29.396 --> 08:33.563 Mme nka rata ho nka sehlopha se seng sa dilemo. 08:33.563 --> 08:38.623 Ha re shebeng batho ba lilemo li 50 ho isa ho 55. 08:38.623 --> 08:41.543 Mme ha e le hantle re bona setshwantsho se tshwanang. 08:41.543 --> 08:45.330 Ho dula ho e-ba le diphetoho tse tshwanang sekgahla sa mafu. 08:45.330 --> 08:50.576 Mme jwale sewa se kenyeleditswe moqolong ka 2020. 08:50.576 --> 08:59.020 Mme ha e le hantle re bona sekgahla sa lefu se ka tlase ho karolelano sehlopheng sa dilemo se pakeng tsa 50 le 55. 08:59.020 --> 09:03.810 E, dilemo tse ding di ne di le hodimo haholo. 09:03.810 --> 09:10.536 Mme jwale ke tla le bontsha dilemo tsa 2021 le 2022. 09:10.536 --> 09:16.343 Mme re bona ntho e tshwanang le ho sehlopha se seng sa dilemo: 09:16.343 --> 09:23.150 Mokhoa o hlakileng haholo o kaholimo haholo ho mokhoa oa sehla. 09:23.150 --> 09:29.103 Ka mantsoe a mang, batho ba likete ba lihlopha tsa lilemo tse nyenyane, bao ho ea ka lipalo-palo ba 09:29.103 --> 09:33.443 neng ba sa lokela ho ba kotsing, ba hlokahetse mona. 09:33.443 --> 09:41.136 Ke sesupo se hlakileng haholo sa tlhokomeliso, 'me ha ke utloe letho ka sona. 09:41.136 --> 09:50.059 Mme bothata ke hore ha o sheba feela palo yohle ya batho, letshwao lena la tlhokomediso le a patwa ke mafu a batho 09:50.059 --> 09:54.796 ba hodileng, hobane sekgahla sa mafu se phahame haholo moo. 09:54.796 --> 09:56.189 Joale ha o e bone ho hang. 09:56.189 --> 10:02.710 O tlameha ho sheba sekgahla sa mafu, mme o tlameha ho se sheba beke le beke, hape o tlameha ho se sheba ho ya ka 10:02.710 --> 10:06.209 dihlopha tsa dilemo kapa dihlopha tse nyane tsa dilemo. 10:06.209 --> 10:09.729 Mme letshwao lena le ke ke la hlokomolohuwa. 10:09.729 --> 10:17.527 Mme kaha Ofisi ya Naha ya Dipalopalo e etsa sena – ho sheba sekgahla sa mafu sa beke le beke, jwalo ka ha ke 10:17.527 --> 10:28.416 bontshitse phatlalatsong – ke maketse hore na letshwao lena la tlhokomediso ha le phatlalatswe le hore le patetswe setjhaba. 10:28.416 --> 10:30.800 Jwale ke fihla qetellong ya ka: 10:30.800 --> 10:38.385 Ke nahana hore ke kgonne ho bontsha hore na ke hobaneng ha dipalo tsa mafu di loketse ho lekola mafu, hobane di 10:38.385 --> 10:45.023 bonolo hore bohle ba di utlwisise mme ka hona di loketse haholo bakeng sa puisano le setjhaba. 10:45.023 --> 10:52.883 Hobane re utlwisisa hore na diphesente di bolelang: 2%, 5% – re di tseba bophelong ba letsatsi le letsatsi. 10:52.883 --> 10:56.509 Ke ka lebaka leo ke nahanang hore re lokela ho sheba sekhahla sa mafu. 10:56.509 --> 11:02.523 Sekgahla sa mafu ke datha e sa sekameng, ke hore, dintlha, ha re ka rialo. 11:02.523 --> 11:05.714 Ha ho na lipalo-palo ka morao ho sona, ha ho na mohlala, empa ho e-na le hoo, sena ke kamoo re se 11:05.714 --> 11:08.323 lekantseng kateng, sena ke kamoo re se shebileng kateng. 11:08.323 --> 11:11.716 Mme dipalopalo tsa mafu di a fumaneha ho tswa Ofising ya Dipalopalo ya Federale. 11:11.716 --> 11:15.903 Mme hobane feela di sa phatlalatswa ha ho bolele hore ha di yo. 11:15.903 --> 11:21.823 Kahoo re lokela ho kopa dipalo tsa mafu ho Tsamaiso ya Dipalopalo ya Federale. 11:21.823 --> 11:30.228 Mme lebaka la hore setjhaba se be le kgopolo e fosahetseng ka palo ya mafu ka 2020 ke hobane feela Ofisi ya Dipalopalo ya 11:30.228 --> 11:36.618 Federale e ile ya kgetha ho sebedisa dipalo tse fosahetseng dipuisanong tsa setjhaba, e leng 11:36.618 --> 11:40.376 sekgahla sa mafu le sekgahla se phahameng sa mafu. 11:40.376 --> 11:46.779 E, ke nahana hore ke e hlalositse hantle: sekgahla sa mafu se sotha setshwantsho ha palo ya batho e fetoha, ke 11:46.779 --> 11:50.796 hore, ha palo ya batho e hola le ha palo ya batho e tsofala. 11:50.796 --> 11:57.117 Mme ha ho tluwa dipalong tse feteletseng tsa mafu, haeba di balwa ho sebediswa mokgwa o belaetsang jwalo ka mokgwa 11:57.117 --> 12:02.609 ona wa bohare, jwale ho batho ba ntseng ba tsofala, sena le sona se baka dipalo tse hodisitsweng. 12:02.609 --> 12:08.328 Mme haeba re ne re ka fetisa feela dipalo tsena tse pedi, jwalo ka ha Ofisi ya Naha ya Dipalopalo e etsa, ha ho 12:08.328 --> 12:11.496 makatse hore ebe ho thehwa kgopolo e fosahetseng e jwalo. 12:11.496 --> 12:18.293 E, mme seo ka bosona ke ntho e hlabisang dihlong, hore naha kaofela e kenngwa letshoso le se nang 12:18.293 --> 12:22.770 motheo, le se nang motheo ho hang datseng e tala. 12:22.770 --> 12:29.332 Empa seo re se iphumanang re le ho sona hona joale ka 2022, hore ha re utloe letho ho hang ka mokhoa ona o hlahelletseng 12:29.332 --> 12:36.136 har'a meloko e mecha ho tsoa Ofising ea Naha ea Lipalopalo, ke nka seo e le se batlang se tšoana le tlolo ea molao. 12:36.136 --> 12:41.563 Hobane ha ke bona liphoso tsena, le Ofisi ea Lipalopalo ea Federale e li bona le eona. 12:41.563 --> 12:46.363 Mme taba ea hore ha o utloe letho moo e hlahisa lipotso tse ngata. 12:46.363 --> 12:50.953 Hobane haeba Ofisi ea Lipalopalo ea Federale e ne e ka re, "Lumela, ho na le phapang e hlakileng mona!", 12:50.953 --> 12:54.083 joale seo se ne se tla ba le tšusumetso lipolotiking. 12:54.083 --> 12:57.456 Ha ke utlwisise hore na ke hobaneng o sa utlwe letho. 12:57.456 --> 13:05.544 Hobane mosebetsi oa likamano tsa sechaba oo ofisi e o entseng ka 2020, e, ka likopano tsa boralitaba joalo-joalo, le tšoso ena 13:05.544 --> 13:13.736 eohle, joale e ka be e na le motheo oa 'nete lintlheng, empa ha re utloe letho ho tsoa Ofising ea Lipalopalo ea Federale. 13:13.736 --> 13:17.256 Ka hona, tlhaloso e hlakileng e hlokahala ka potlako mona. 13:17.256 --> 13:23.077 Mme jwalo ka ha ke boletse, ke kopa tshehetso ya lona ho netefatsa hore ba ikarabellang ba ikarabelle le 13:23.077 --> 13:27.930 hore re bone dipalo tsa mafu tsa batjha di fokotseha. 13:27.930 --> 13:31.240 Hantle, ke phethela ka moo puo ea ka. 13:31.240 --> 13:35.270 Kea leboha ka tlhokomelo ea lona, 'me ke le lakaletsa tsohle tse molemo. 13:35.270 --> 13:39.593 Ihlokomele, Marcel Barz.