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Kuyaziwa kahle ukuthi izinombolo
nezibalo azithandwa wonke umuntu.

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Abantu abaningi bajabula ukushiya ukuqoqwa nokuhlaziywa
kwedatha kochwepheshe futhi bathembe imiphumela evezwayo.

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Nokho, lokhu akusoloko kuyindlela engcono kakhulu yokwenza.

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Lokhu kwakunjalo, isibonelo, ngenani labantu
abashonile elashicilelwa yiHhovisi Lezibalo

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LikaZwelonke ngesikhathi sobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Sonke sabona ukuthi iHhovisi lamemezela izinga
eliphezulu kakhulu lokufa ngemva kokuqhuma kwengxabano ngo-2020.

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Iqhutshwa yabezindaba, kwacaca kubantu
abaningi: isifo esabalele siyabulala, futhi noma ubani

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ofuna ukuzivikela kumele athole umjovo wokugoma.

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Ukwesaba okwakudalwe kwaba nomphumela!

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Nokho, lokhu ngeke kube njalo ngo-2021 nango-2022.

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Umkhankaso omkhulu wawufeze inhloso yawo.

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Iningi elikhulu labantu belibhekiwe.

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Ngokwemicibisholo esemthethweni, ngakho-ke
kwakungekho okunye ukungajwayelekile maqondana nezinga lokufa.

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Nokho, njengoba usosayensi wolwazi lwebhizinisi
uMarcel Barz ephawule, lokhu kuwumbango ocacile.

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"Engikubona kudatha eluhlaza yokufa kuphambene
ngokuphelele nalokho umphakathi okucabangayo," kusho uBarz.

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Ngokucophelela okukhulu, wahlanganisa idatha
eluhlaza waze wafinyelela eziphethweni ezimangalisayo.

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Wathola ukuthi, ngokuphikisana nezitatimende ezisemthethweni,
kwakungekho ukufa okungaphezu kwesijwayelekile ngonyaka ka-2020.

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Akugcini nje ngokuthi abantu abaningi ngokwesabekayo bafa
eminyakeni emibili eyalandela, kodwa

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nenani elimangalisayo labesifazane nabesilisa
abaphakathi nabancane ngeminyaka nabo bafa.

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Okokuqala ngqa, amaphethini okufa nawo abonise umkhuba
ongajwayelekile ngokuphelele maqondana nezikhathi zonyaka.

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UMarcel Barz uveza amaphutha angajwayelekile enziwe
iziphathimandla ekuphatheni izinombolo ezisemthethweni.

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Kungenzeka kanjani, umbhali wazibuza, ukuthi ukuxhumana
komphakathi kuphambuke kangaka kusuka kudatha eluhlaza?

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Buka manje ukuhlanganiswa kwethulwa kwevidiyo: Ukufa kudatha
eluhlaza. Ngale vidiyo... Idatha esemthethweni evela eHhovisi

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Lezibalo LikaHulumeni LweFederal ikhombisa ngokusobala ukuthi
kwaba nezinkulungwane zokufa okwengeziwe eJalimane ngo-2021

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nango-2022. Okubi nakakhulu, okokuqala ngqa, lolu hlelo lokufa
olungajwayelekile luthinta futhi amaqembu abantu abasebasha.

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Kungani singaboni, singezwa futhi singafundi lutho ngalokhu
ezinkundleni zezindaba? Yiluphi ingozi ebhubhisayo ehluphe abantu

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bethu? Ilingani indima yeHhovisi Lezibalo LikaHulumeni
eWiesbaden? Kulesi sifundo, ngizokwethula izinombolo

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ezisemthethweni zokufa kanye namaphutha amangalisayo abaphathi
bethu abenza lapho bekhipha lezi zinombolo.

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Thina, izakhamuzi, asinikwa ulwazi oluqotho mayelana
nokufa. (Marcel Barz (Jüterbog, 20 Novemba 2023))

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Igama lami nginguMarcel Barz, ngineminyaka
engu-48 ubudala. Ngivela endaweni yaseBerlin, noma

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ngokunembile, edolobhaneni elincane laseJüterbog.

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Futhi nginguchwepheshe we-IT yebhizinisi
oqeqeshiwe, okusho ukuthi ngisebenza ngedatha ngezibalo.

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Futhi ngoba ngihlale ngenza izinto ngokunembile
futhi ngihlola izibalo zami kabili, ngizuze

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isihloko somgcini-zibalo – engizizwa ngaziqhenya ngaso.

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Ngakho-ke, isihloko sithi: Ukufa kudatha eluhlaza.

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Ngama-data angavuthiwe ngisho idatha engashintshiwe.

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Ngakho-ke angibheki imibiko yezindaba esivele yakhiqizwa noma
izithombe, kodwa ngithola amaphakheji edatha anemininingwane

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eminingi ngangokunokwenzeka, bese ngiqala
ukuhlanganisa izifinyezo nokudala izithombe

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ngokwami, njll. Yilokho engikushoyo ngedatha eluhlaza.

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Futhi uma kukhulunywa ngokufa, umbuzo uthi: bangaki
abantu abashonile eJalimane, abaningi noma abambalwa?

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Akugcini nje ngenani labantu, kodwa futhi kuwukuhlola
ukuthi ngabe babebaningi kunokujwayelekile noma babebambalwa.

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Akukho okwengeziwe – yilona umbuzo.

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Engikubona kudatha eluhlaza mayelana nezinga lokufa
kuphambene ngokuphelele nalokho abantu abakukholwayo.

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Futhi ngokukhethekile, lokhu kuyiqiniso – maqondana
nokufa ngonyaka ka-2020 – umbono womphakathi wukuthi

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sabona ukwanda okubonakalayo kokufa ngenxa yobhubhane.

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Futhi mina ngokwami ngangikholelwa ukuthi lokhu
kuzokwenzeka ngo-2020. Futhi ukuziphatha kwabantu kwakubonisa

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lokhu – mina ngokwami ngangisesaba ukufa, ngisesaba igciwane.

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Kodwa lapho ngibheka idatha eluhlaza,
ngibona ngempela okuphambene nalokho.

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Angiboni nje kuphela izimo
ezingajwayelekile ngo-2020, kodwa ngibona ngisho nezinga

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lokufa eliphansi kakhulu emlandweni ngo-2020.

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Futhi umbuzo ithi: kungani kunehlukana okukhulu phakathi kwalokho
idatha ekukhombisayo nalokho umphakathi okucabangayo ngakho?

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Lena yisimangalo sami.

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Kodwa ngizochaza lezi ngokuningiliziwe ekwethulweni kwami.

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Akukhona nje ukuthi kwakunjalo ngo-2020, kodwa nangonyaka
ka-2022, engizowuthatha manje njengomzekelo wesibili, futhi

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kuyiphikisana ngokuphelele nalokho umphakathi okucabangayo.

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Nakuba umbono womphakathi ukuthi sekungasekho izinto
ezingajwayelekile enanini labantu abashonile, ukuziphatha

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kwabantu kubonisa lokhu: konke sekujwayelekile, akekho osekhuluma
ngenani labantu abashonile, sikhuluma

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nge-Ukraine, sikhuluma nge-Israel, kunezindaba
ezahluke ngokuphelele, iCorona iseyizolo nje.

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Kodwa lapho ngibheka izinombolo zokufa, manje sengiyabona lezi
zimo ezingajwayelekile abaningi abakholelwa ukuthi bazibonile

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ngo-2020, futhi manje sengiyazibona ezinombolweni zokufa.

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Futhi okudramatic kakhulu ukuthi ngibona lezi
zingejwayelekile nakubantu besizukulwane esisha.

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Angikaze ngibe namaphetheni anjalo esikhathini esedlule.

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Kodwa manje ngiyabona ukwanda okubonakalayo
kokufa phakathi kwamaqembu abantu abasebasha.

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Futhi lokho kuyadrama ngempela.

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Futhi kuyathakazelisa uma sibheka ngokucophelela
isonto ngesonto, okuyikho lokhu kugrafu okukhombisa.

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Manje angizange ngibeke i-"spaghetti" phezu komunye, ngokuthi,
kodwa ngokulandelana, kusukela ngo-2011 kuya ku-2023, ngokuthi.

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Ngabheka ngisho emuva kakhulu, kodwa
ngisuse lokho okwamanje ukuze ubone okuthile.

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Futhi lo mugqa oluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka we-zigzag
umela izinga lokufa, ikakhulukazi eqenjini labantu

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abaneminyaka engu-45 kuya kwengu-50, okuyiqembu lami lobudala.

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Futhi sibona iphethini ehlala ifana.

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Yebo, ivela phezulu naphansi, ngokuthi,
kodwa iziphatha cishe ngokulinganayo.

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Yebo, njalo iphethini efanayo:

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Ebusika liphezulu kancane, ehlobo lehla
kancane, bese liphakama futhi ebusika elizayo.

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Futhi uma besandisa lokhu
kwesobunxele, bekuzohlala kuholela kulolu hlaka.

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Futhi manje kufika isifo esibhubhane
esibi kunazo zonke esake sabakhona.

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Futhi nansi indlela ekubukeka ngayo.

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Futhi ngokubuka kokuqala, uthi:
Empeleni kufana njalo njengokujwayelekile.

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Umugqa omnyama, ngokuthi, uyitreni yesizini.

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Futhi siyaqhubeka phambili ngo-2020 njengaseminyakeni edlule.

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Siphinde saba nesilinganiso esiphansi
kakhulu, okuyinto yomlando, singasho kanjalo.

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Kodwa angiboni noma yiluphi uhlelo olubonakalayo.

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Futhi manje iminyaka engu-21 nengu-22 yengezwe kulokho.

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Futhi lokhu kuyiphethini engakaze ibonwe ngaphambili
kulesi sigaba sobudala kuyo yonke iminyaka edlule.

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Ngakho-ke siyabona ngokusobala ukuthi umugqa oluhlaza
okwesibhakabhaka uhlala kude ngaphezu komugqa omnyama, cishe

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awudluli kuwo, futhi sekukhona izindawo ezinkulu ezivelayo.

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Futhi lokho kusho nje ukuthi intsha eminingi ifile lapha ngenxa
yengozi ethile ekhona ngaphandle, okudingeka manje iphenywe.

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Asikaze sibone leli zinga lokufa
kuleli qembu lobudala ngaphambili.

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Ngakho-ke, uphawu olusobala kakhulu lokuxwayisa.

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Ngiyamangala ukuthi akwenzeki lutho, ngoba lolu
hlelo belungekho ngaphambili. Futhi lukhomba

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kuphela ngakolunye uhlangothi, okungukuthi phezulu.

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Futhi ngingathanda ukuthatha elinye iqembu lobudala.

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Ake sibheke abantu abaneminyaka engu-50 kuya kwengu-55.

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Futhi empeleni sibona isithombe esifanayo.

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Ukuguquguquka okufanayo njalo ezingeni lokufa.

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Futhi manje ubhadane selufakiwe kulo ngxube ngo-2020.

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Futhi empeleni sibona izinga lokufa elingaphansi kwesilinganiso
esijwayelekile kubantu abaneminyaka engu-50 kuya kwengu-55.

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Yebo, eminye iminyaka yayiphakeme kakhulu.

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Manje ngizokubonisa iminyaka ka-2021 no-2022.

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Futhi sibona okufanayo
njengakuqembu labantu abasebudala obuhlukile:

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Iphethini ecacile kakhulu esezingeni
eliphezulu kakhulu kunomkhuba wesizini.

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Ngamanye amazwi, izinkulungwane zabantu abasebantwini,
ngokwezibalo okufanele bangakabi sengozini, bafa lapha.

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Kuyisibonakaliso esicacile kakhulu
sokuxwayisa, futhi angizwa lutho ngakho.

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Inkinga ithi uma ubheka kuphela inani labantu bonke,
lesi siphakamiso sokuxwayisa siyafihlwa ukufa kwabantu

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asebekhulile, ngoba amazinga okufa khona aphezulu kakhulu.

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Khona-ke awukwazi ukukubona nhlobo.

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Kufanele ubheke amazinga okufa, futhi kufanele
uwabheke masonto onke, futhi kufanele uwabheke

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ngokweqembu lobudala ngalinye noma amaqembu amancane obudala.

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Futhi-ke lo mkhombandlela awunakunganakwa.

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Futhi njengoba iHhovisi Lezibalo Likazwelonke lenza lokhu –
ukubheka izinga lokufa lasontweni, njengoba

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ngikubonise ekushicilelweni – ngiyamangala ukuthi lesi
siphakamiso sokuxwayisa asikhangiswa futhi sigcinwe kubantu.

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Manje sengifika esiphethweni sami:

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Ngicabanga ukuthi ngikwazile ukukhombisa ukuthi izinga
lokufa lifanele ukukala ukufa, ngoba kulula kubo bonke

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ukuqonda, ngakho-ke lifanele kahle ukuxhumana nomphakathi.

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Ngoba siyazi ukuthi amaphesenti asho
ukuthini: 2%, 5% – siyawazi empilweni yansuku zonke.

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Futhi yilokho engikucabangayo
ukuthi kufanele sibheke amazinga okufa.

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Izinga lokufa liyidatha engathathi
hlangothi, okusho ukuthi yizimanga, ngokuthi.

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Ayikho imibalo ngemuva kwalokhu, ayikho imodeli,
kodwa-ke kanjena esikilinganise ngayo, kanjena esikubonile.

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Futhi amazinga okufa atholakala eHhovisi Lezibalo Likazwelonke.

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Futhi nje ngoba zingakashicilelwa akusho ukuthi azikho.

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Ngakho-ke kufanele sicele izinga
lokufa eHhovisi Lwezibalo Likazwelonke.

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Futhi isizathu sokuthi umphakathi waba nombono ongamanga ngokufa
ngo-2020 sasingokuthi iHhovisi Likazwelonke Lezibalo likhethe

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ukusebenzisa izinombolo ezingalungile ekuxhumaneni nomphakathi,
okungukuthi amazinga okufa kanye namazinga okufa okungaphezu.

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Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi ngichaze kahle: amazinga okufa
agwaza isithombe lapho inani labantu lishintsha, okungukuthi

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lapho inani labantu likhula futhi lapho inani labantu selidala.

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Futhi uma kukhulunywa ngamazinga okufa adlula okujwayelekile, uma
ebaliwe kusetshenziswa indlela enokungabaza

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efana nale ndlela yomaphakathi, khona-ke emphakathini
ogugayo lokhu kuholela nakwamanani akhuphukile.

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Futhi uma sisazisa kuphela lezi zinombolo
ezimbili, njengoba iHhovisi Likazwelonke Lezibalo lenza,

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akumangazi ukuthi kudaleka umbono ongamanga onjalo.

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Yebo, futhi lokho ngokwalo kuyahlambalaza ngempela,
ukuthi izwe lonke lifakwa ekwesabeni ngaphandle kwesisekelo,

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ngaphandle kwesisekelo kunoma yiziphi idatha eluhlaza.

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Kodwa lokho esikubonayo manje ngo-2022, ukuthi asizwa lutho
nhlobo mayelana nalolu hlelo olumangalisayo

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phakathi kwezizukulwane ezincane eMnyangweni
Wezibalo Kazwelonke, ngikubheka cishe njengobugebengu.

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Ngoba lapho ngibona lezi zinguquko ezingajwayelekile,
iHhovisi Lwezibalo Likazwelonke nayo iyazibona.

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Futhi iqiniso lokuthi awukwazi ukuzwa
lutho lapho kuvusa imibuzo eminingi.

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Ngoba uma iHhovisi Likazwelonke Lezibalo
lathi, "Sawubona, kunokungajwayelekile okukhulu

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lapha!", lokho bekuzoba nemiphumela kwezombusazwe.

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Angiqondi ukuthi kungani ungakwazi ukuzwa lutho.

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Ngoba umsebenzi wezokuxhumana nowenziwe ihhovisi ngo-2020, yebo,
ngemihlangano yezintatheli nokunye, kanye nakho konke

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lokhu kudideka okukhulu, manje sekunesisekelo sangempela
kudatha, futhi asizwa lutho eHhovisi Lwezibalo Likazwelonke.

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Ngakho-ke kudingeka ngokuphuthumayo ukucaciswa lapha.

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Futhi njengoba ngishilo, ngiyacela ukwesekwa
kwenu ukuze labo abanesibopho babophezeleke

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futhi sibone izinga lokufa phakathi kwentsha.

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Yebo, ngakho-ke ngiqeda amazwi ami.

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Ngiyabonga ngokunaka kwenu, futhi nginifisela konke okuhle.

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Zinakekele, Marcel Barz.

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