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Ingxelo yanamhlanje kaSchöning iza
kugxila kwizihloko ezithathu zangoku.

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Okokuqala kukucwangciswa kwemfazwe
yokuhlasela ngamagosa eBundeswehr yaseJamani.

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Abesibini ngu-Ingo Gerhartz no-Amy Gutmann.

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Kwaye eyesithathu ngumzamo wokuthintela
uHeiko Schöning ekuthetheni kumzabalazo

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wokuxolisa eBerlin ngomhla we-10 kuMatshi 2024.

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Ingxoxo yaye icelwe, eyathi yaqondwa okanye yanikelwa ingxelo
kuyo kumajelo eendaba njenge "Scandali yokumanyela i-Taurus".

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Kwakuthetha ntoni oko?

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Enyanisweni, kwaye le kufuneka ibe
yinkcazo-ntetho, leli cwangciso lemfazwe yokuhlasela.

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Kwaye imfazwe zokuhlasela ziyalelwe.

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Ngomhla we-19 kuFebruwari 2024, kubanjwe
intlanganiso yokucwangcisa imfazwe

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yokuhlasela ngamagenerali eBundeswehr yaseJamani.

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Oko kukuthi, intloko yoMkhosi woMoya
waseJamani, uLieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz.

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Ngoko ke uNjengele Gerhartz noNjengele Gräfe kunye nabanye ababini
baceba ngokukodwa ukudubula ngenqaku ibhulorho yangaphandle.

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Kwaye ngelishwa, ngenxa yobukhulu bayo,
ibhulorho ifana nesikhululo seenqwelomoya.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba ndingade ndidinge
iimijukujelwa ezili-10 okanye ezingama-20 ngenxa yaloo

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nto. Kwaye oko lilungiselelo lemfazwe yokuhlasela.

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Kwaye ngokweSigaba 26, Isiqendu 1 soMthetho
oSiseko – ndinokopi apha, ebhalwe ngokuncinci –

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Izenzo ezinokuphazamisa ukuphila ngokuxolelana kwezizwe,
ingakumbi ukulungiselela imfazwe yokuhlasela, zenziwa

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ngenjongo yokwenza njalo, kwaye azihambelani nomgaqo-siseko.

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Kufuneka bohlwaywe.

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Ngoko ke iSihloko 26, iZoluleko, sichaza
ngokucacileyo ukuba imfazwe yokuhlasela

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akufuneki icwangciswe kwaye kufuneka ihlaziswe.

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Kwaye into eyenziwe nguNjengele Gerhartz kunye namanye amagosa
amathathu aphezulu eBundeswehr ibe kukubhombela ibhulorho

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yangaphandle ngemijukujelwa yaseJamani yohlobo lweTaurus.

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Akunandaba ncam ukuba luhlobo luni
iirokethi okanye zibizwa ngantoni na.

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Eyona nto ibalulekileyo kukucwangcisa uhlaselo kwibhulorho.

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Oko kungafana nelizwe elinye langaphandle elifuna ukuqhushumbisa
iibhulorho ze-Elbe kufutshane neHamburg okanye iDresden, okanye

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iibhulorho zeRhine kufutshane neCologne okanye iDüsseldorf.

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Kwaye ucwangciso oluqinileyo, kuba le ntlanganiso
yokucwangcisa ithathe malunga nemizuzu engama-40, nto leyo

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ekwangqinisisiweyo, ayikhanyelwanga, yile nto kanye yenzekileyo.

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Kwaye ndizicacisele oku. Andingomgqirha kuphela,
ndikwanesigunyaziso sobugosa, kwaye ndiligosa

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kwimikhosi yomkhosi yaseJamani ekulungiselelweni.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba, ngokwembono
yobuchwepheshe, ndinokuqinisekisa yonke into kuphela.

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Kwaye yiloo nto kanye. Kwaye oko kufanele kohlwaywe ngumthetho.

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Kwaye leyo ikwayinto esayithethayo emva kokuba kuphumile ngomhla
woku-1 kuMatshi: Ngoku siza kulungiselela

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ngokukhawuleza umboniso kwaye ndiza kubhengeza ukuba
ndiza kubangxela oojineli, ingakumbi uJineli Gerhartz.

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Kuba oko lityala lolwaphulo-mthetho.

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Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo. Njengophondo
lweBundeswehr, ubunokumenywa kwaphela kwintlanganiso

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enjalo? Ngoko yintoni enokuba ibingemva kwayo?

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Kwaye ngubani kanye kanye lo Gerhartz, ukuba
angakwazi nokuxoxa ngesicwangciso esinjalo?

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Ewe, ke, uNjengele Gerhartz, okanye
ngokuchanekileyo uLieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz,

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usengumphathi osemncinci kwisikhundla sakhe.

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Ungumphathi weMikhosi yoMoya yaseJamani. Kukho
iMikhosi yoMhlaba, iMikhosi yaseLwandle,

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iMikhosi yoMoya kunye neeyunithi eziphantsi kwayo.

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Oku kumenza abe ngomnye wamagenerali
abakumgangatho ophezulu kakhulu eJamani.

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Waye wayicwangcisa kunye nezinye iijenerali.

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Kwaye ngenxa yokuba iJamani lilungu le-NATO
kwaye i-US, ewe, ingamandla akhokelayo kungekuphela

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nje kwi-NATO, kufuneka sizibuze ngokucacileyo:

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Ingaba ijenerali yaseJamani ingakwazi ngokwenene
ukucwangcisa ukonakaliswa kwebhulorho enkulu

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phesheya ngaphandle kwemiyalelo okanye inkxaso evela e-US?

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Akunjalo kwaphela.

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Emva koko, ke, ndazibuza: Kaloku, ngubani onokuba ngasemva koku?

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Ngubani umntu ekwenene okhokela intloko yoMkhosi woMoya?

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Ngubani umntu ophethe yonke into e-USA?

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Ewe, ngokwembono yam, yipateni eqhelekileyo kwakhona.

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Ungunozakuzaku waseMelika eJamani
kwaye igama lakhe nguAmy Gutmann.

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Amy Gutmann – kodwa ibhalwa ngokuthi Gutmann.

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Kwaye lo mntu, ewe, unento ezininzi kwimbali yakhe,
nto leyo ehambelana nophando lwam lwezobugebenga.

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Kuba le ntokazi ayinguye nje kuphela iNkosana yase-US,
ibikwangusihlalo weKomishoni kaMongameli ye-Bioethics.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba yanceda ekugqibeni ukuba
zingamkeleka na izixhobo zebhayoloji ngaphakathi kwesi siseko.

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Lo nguAmy Gutmann.

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Ube seJamani ixesha elithile ngoku kwaye udibene
noNjengele Ingo Gerhartz izihlandlo eziliqela.

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Singabonisa kwanemifanekiso yayo apho.

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Kwaye bobabini ngokucacileyo
banobudlelwane obusondeleyo bokusebenza.

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Kwaye ngokwenene kunjalo ukuba esi sikhundla uAmy Gutmann
asibambe apha eJamani asisosikhundla sodiplomasia

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kuphela, kodwa, njengoko kuye kwabhalwa kakuhle kumashumi
eminyaka, sikwasisikhundla esibandakanya imisebenzi yobuntlola.

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Kwaye oonozakuzaku baseMelika bade babe
namacandelo e-CIA kweli lizwe, oko kukuthi,

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inkonzo eyimfihlo, i-Central Intelligence Agency.

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Kwaye ke, masithi, icandelo
elingelolawulo, elingaziwa kangako le-CIA, i-USAID.

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Enyanisweni yeyoncedo lophuhliso,
masithi. Kodwa ke yinto nje yokugquma i-CIA.

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Kwaye bekunjalo ukususela kwiMfazwe yaseVietnam, ubuncinci.

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Kukwakho neetshathi zemibutho, ukuze wazi ukuba apha
kukho inozakhuzaku, kwaye ngezantsi kwayo kwitshathi

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yemibutho kukho i-CIA, i-USAID kunye nezinye ii-arhente.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba oonozakuzaku
kwilizwe bakwangabantu abanjengabakhokeli.

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U-Ingo Gerhartz no-Amy Gutmann badibana
izihlandlo eziliqela baza basebenzisana ngokusondeleyo.

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Singayibonisa loo nto.

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Kwaye into endiyifumana iyothusa nangakumbi
kukuba uAmy Gutmann eneneni usebenza kakhulu

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ekusebenziseni nasekulungiseleleni izixhobo zobhayoloji.

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Kwaye oku kungqinwe ngenene
ziindatshana ezininzi, kwanangezazinzulu.

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Oko akuvakali kakuhle, ewe, ngakumbi ngoku isoyikiso
sisondela eJamani njengoko iJamani izibandakanya kuso.

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Kungaba njalo ke ukuba iJamani iza kuyiphumeza loo nto
kuba i-US ingafuni ukuzingcolisa ngokwayo. Ingaba kunjalo?

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Ewe, i-USA ikanye ngaphesheya kwelwandle.

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Kwaye apha eYurophu, yimfazwe, masithi,
phakathi kweJamani neRashiya, leyo ke

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kungekho namnye kubemi baseJamani ofunayo, kakade.

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Kwaye umbuzo ngulo, into enje
ilungiselelwa njani? Into enje yenzeka njani?

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Kwaye phantse kanye kwiminyaka elishumi eyadlulayo, sayibona le
nto, kwaye ngoku siyibona isenzeka kwakhona, ukusukela

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ngo-2014, nomntu ofana kakhulu no-Amy Gutmann esenza
izinto eJamani echasa i-Ukraine, nakwi-Ukraine ngokwayo.

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Loo nto ibinguhlaselo lwaseMaidan.

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Kulungile, eso yayisiyimpembelelo yombuso
yaseMaidan, oko kukuthi, utshintsho lwalawulo, ukugxothwa

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ngobundlobongela kukarhulumente onyuliweyo e-Ukraine.

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Kwaye ezi ngxaki zonke sizibe nazo ngokwenene ukususela ngo-2014.

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Kwaye loo mntu nguVictoria Nuland.

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Ngoko ke, kwixesha elidlulileyo, kwiminyaka elishumi eyadlulayo,
kwabakho isiganeko esifanayo esakhokelela kolu

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ngquzulwano lukhulu phakathi kwe-Ukraine neRashiya,
oluqhubekileyo ukusukela ngoko kwaye belusebenza kakhulu.

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Kwaye oko bekunokuphinda kwenzeke okanye kunokuphinda kwenzeke.

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Ewe, ngendlela efanayo, umntu kufuneka athi nje.

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Kwaye imi njani imeko kaNuland?

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Ewe, kukho ukufana nalapho nako:

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Ncoko kaVictoria Nuland nayo yaphulwa
apho malunga neminyaka elishumi eyadlulayo.

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Umbuzo ibingowokuba ngubani abakwa-US
kunye namaqabane ayo angama-NATO abebefuna

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ukumbona njengentloko elandelayo karhulumente.

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E-Ukraine? E-Ukraine.

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Ngubani ofunwa yi-US e-Ukraine. Heiko
Schöning:] Ewe, kanye. Yiloo nto kanye eyayiyingozi.

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Kwaye amazwe e-EU ayemfuna uKlitschko, umdlali webhola
yamanqindi. Waza uVictoria Nuland wathi: Makhwelane ne-EU.

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Ngoko ke liyibale i-EU.
Isemathubeni kakhulu, ayinobuhlobo kwaphela.

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UVictoria Nuland wayenohlahlo-lwabiwo-mali
olumalunga neebhiliyoni ezintlanu zeedola

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zaseMelika awayenalo elungiselela olu guquko lwelawulo.

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Ngoko ke, yinkcubeko yobuqhophololo
kwezopolitiko. Ewe, kwakukho nobundlobongela obukhulu eMaidan.

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Kwaye sibone imifanekiso eyoyikekayo kunye nokunyuka oku
kukhokelele kubudlelwane namazwe angabamelwane e-Ukraine.

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Ewe, kwaye ukuba abantu ngelo xesha babesele benalo elo
zimo, elithi 'Mane i-EU', ngoko ke kule mihla sinokoyika

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okona kubi, kukuba i-EU okanye iYurophu isenokushiywa.

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Okanye ukuba kwamkelwe ukuba
imfazwe inokuphuma naphakathi kweYurophu.

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Ewe, kunjalo.

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Ngoko ke, kucacile ukuba imfazwe
iyamkelwa. Masibuyele kwiinkcukacha ezithile.

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Ewe, ijenerali yomkhosi waseJamani,
uGerhartz, ngokwenene wayicwangcisa

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ngokweenkcukacha ukuqhushumbiswa kwebhulorho yaseCrimea.

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Kwaye akukhathaliseki ncam ukuba le
bhulorho ikuphi, yibhulorho yaphesheya.

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IRiphabliki yeFederal yaseJamani ayimfazweni
nalinye ilizwe, kwaye nabemi abayifuni imfazwe.

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Kwaye kufuneka nditsho ngokucacileyo, ndikwanjalo njengegosa
elikwisiseko kwiMikhosi yoMkhosi yaseJamani: oku

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kuyityala lolwaphulo-mthetho; ngokweSigaba 26,
Isiqendu 1 soMthetho oSiseko, oku kohlwaywa ngumthetho.

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Oku bekukwabandakanyiwe kwiKhowudi yoLwaphulo-mthetho phantsi
kweCandelo 80 – ukulungiselela imfazwe yobundlongondlongo.

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Ishiywe ngaphandle. Yasuswa ngo-2017, kodwa iqhutywe
phambili phantse ngendlela efanayo njengakwiCandelo

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le-13 loMthetho wezoLwaphulo-mthetho lwaMazwe ngaMazwe.

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Kodwa nalo lutshintshwe kancinci,
lwathathwa amandla kancinci ngokoluvo lwam.

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Nalapha, umntu kufuneka abuze: Oku kunokwenzeka njani?

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Ningayisusa njani nje isigaba somthetho
wolwaphulo-mthetho ngolo hlobo, nize nisisitshintshe

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ngendlela ebonakala ngathi sisikhewu somthetho?

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Kodwa ke, ndingatsho nje ukuba nokuba zithini na iintlobo
zobuqhetseba bomthetho obunokusetyenziswa apho,

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iSigaba 26, esingokugcina uxolo, soMthetho
oSisiseko waseJamani sisebenza kuyo nayiphi na imeko.

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Kwaye kucacisiwe ukuba nokulungiselela
imfazwe yokuhlasela kufuneka kube lityala.

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Kulungile, oko kuthetha ukuba amagosa eBundeswehr yaseJamani
eneneni enze ulwaphulo-mthetho kwaye ke ngoko kufuneka atyholwe.

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Kanye, yiloo nto ibalulekileyo. Kwaye kufuneka uyibone
kwangoko, ngaphandle kwesigqubuthelo se-US akunakwenzeka.

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Ungambona kwakhona kwimisitho esemthethweni,
kwiNkomfa yeendaba kaRhulumente, apho

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uGerhartz ehleli ecaleni kukaGutmann, bahleli kunye.

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Bahlangana rhoqo ngakumbi, benza amalungiselelo nokunye okuninzi.

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Kwaye kuyathandabuzeka ngokwenene ukuba umntu onje
onokunganyanyeka anikwe isikhundla esiphezulu kangaka.

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Kwaye ngaphaya koko, kufuneka nditsho nje ukuba u-Amy Gutmann
wayengenguye nje kuphela intloko yeKomishoni yeMigaqo yokuPhila

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yomongameli wase-US, nto leyo eyayithetha ukuba wayenegunya
elithe ngqo kwizigqibo eziphathelele kwizixhobo zebhayoloji,

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kodwa wayekwangumongameli weYunivesithi yasePennsylvania
iminyaka emininzi. Ewe, lilizwe eliseUnited States.

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Yeyunivesithi enkulu ngokwentelekiso,
iYunivesithi yasePenn, ePennsylvania.

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Kwaye ndichazile ngokweenkcukacha kwincwadi ethi 'Attack
on the Microbiome' indlela uphando lwezixhobo zebhayoloji

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oluqhutywa ngayo ngoku kwiYunivesithi yasePennsylvania.

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Asifuni kungena kwiinkcukacha ezininzi apha,
kuba sele sivele ingxelo kaSchöning ngalo mbandela.

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Kwaye kwiYunivesithi yasePennsylvania, kukho umphandi
wezixhobo zokubulala eziphilayo ogama linguHenry Daniel.

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Kwaye ngoku sibuyele apho besiqale khona.

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Oku kukwathetha nokuba imicu yonke ikhokelela
kwicala elifanayo ize iphinde ihlangane apho kwakhona,

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ngoko ke kufuneka sinikele ingqalelo ekhethekileyo koku.

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Amajelo eendaba aphambili eJamani awaniki
ingqalelo kule nto, okanye mandithi, awuniki tu.

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Lo mcimbi weTaurus awukho malunga nokulungiselela imfazwe
yokuhlasela, oko kukuthi, awukho malunga nayo

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nayiphi na into echasa kakhulu, kodwa
ubukhulu becala umalunga nobuntlola obuvela eRashiya.

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Kakade ke, oku kukwafihla into yokuba yonke le nto
isenokuba ikhokelwe kweli cala ngenkxaso yase-USA nabanye.

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Kwaye ngale ndlela, ikwasetyenziselwa ukulahlekisa uluntu.

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Kwaye ubunjani obugqabhukayo beli bhongo abukagqithi phakathi
koluntu jikelele eJamani, ngokwenene ukuba abukaziwa kakhulu.

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Kwaye ibiyiyo leyo eyona ngongoma, ukubiza
ngokukhawuleza umsitho wokubonisa ukuze kuthiwe: Yiphanani

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ingqalelo, sikumda wemfazwe ukuba siyaqhubeka ngolu hlobo.

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Iijenerali zoMkhosi waseJamani kufuneka zisuswe kwezi zikhundla
ukuze kuthintelwe ukwenzeka kwezinto ezimbi nangakumbi.

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Kwaye seso isizathu le mibhiyozo yoxolo ibe
icwangciselwe umhla we-10 kuMatshi eBerlin.

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Noko ke, uHeiko Schöning ubanjwe ngamapolisa
kwimizuzu emihlanu phambi kokuba umsitho uqale.

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Le nto iye yenzeka njani, okanye yintoni ebinokuba ngumqobo?

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Ewe, kufuneka ndiqonde ngokwendalo ukuba ifowuni
yam eselula nonxibelelwano lwam bayabekwa esweni.

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Kulo mba, kwakucacile ukuba ndingaba ngowokuqala
ukuthetha kulo mboniso; njengowokuqala

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ukuthetha, ndingathi nemiimfazwe zokuhlasela ziyalelwe.

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YayinguNjengele Gerhartz kunye nezinye iinjengele.
Ndiza kufaka isikhalazo solwaphulo-mthetho emapoliseni

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ngokuchasene no-Ingo Gerhartz kunye nezinye iinjengele.

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Kwaye kufuneka uhlale ubuyela kuloo
nto, kuba yonke enye into sisiphazamiso.

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Ngokwenene apha sijamelene
nomdlalo, nomlilo, nemfazwe yokuhlasela.

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Ewe, nokucwangcisa uhlaselo olunjalo kuyohlwaywa ngeminyaka
engaphantsi kweshumi entolongweni. Kwaye ukuphehlelela

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imfazwe yokuhlasela kuyohlwaywa ngokubanjwa ubomi bonke, ewe.

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Kwaye kufuneka siphume siye ezitalatweni, kufuneka sitsho oko.

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Kwaye oko kwenzeka ngeCawa eBerlin, ngomhla we-10
kuMatshi, ngo-2 emva kwemini, xa kwakufanele ukuba kuqale.

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Bendisele ndilapho ngo-12 emini kwiSitalato i-17 kaJuni.

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Loo nto imalunga neemitha ezili-100 ukusuka
kwiBrandenburg Gate, phambi kweSoviet War Memorial.

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Ndithethe negosa lamapolisa elalilapho
ngobuhlobo ndaza ndambonisa isazisi sam.

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Nditshilo ukuba ndingubani. Ndingoyena mthethi
wokuqala apha, kwaye sinokubeka phi izixhobo

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zolwazi? Konke oko bekulungile, kulungile, ewe.

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Kwakucwangciselwe ukuba iqale ngo-2 emva
kwemini, ngoko ke malunga neeyure ezimbini kamva.

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Kwaye sayibona: malunga nemizuzu emihlanu
ukuya kweli-10 ngaphambili, amapolisa afika

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ngequbuliso andibuza, eneneni, ibiyimbuzo nje.

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– Ungathanda ukuza ukuze uchonge umntu?
Nangona babesazi kakuhle ukuba ndingubani.

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Ndathi: Hayi, andifuni. Andinayo lexesha ngoku.
Ndifuna ukuthetha apha, ngoko ke impendulo ithi hayi.

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Kwaye bengakhange bathi bafuna ukungqina isazisi
somntu obefuna idatha yam kunye nedilesi yam kwakhona.

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Bendisele ndibaphathele lonto
kwangaphambili, okanye mandithi, bayayazi kakade.

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Loo nto ibingalingani kwaphela. Yayenzelwe ukuphazamisa
izinto. Bendingafanelanga ukuba ndiyinike le ntetho.

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Nditsalelwe phambili ngokurhabaxa
kangangeeyure ezingaphezu kwezintathu.

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Kwaye ikude kakhulu, eHohenschönhausen, iikhilomitha ezili-15
ukusuka kwiziko ledolophu yaseBerlin, ewe,

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ikude ngokwenene, kangangokuba ndinokuba
ndifike kuphela emva kokuba kungene ubusuku.

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Ngethamsanqa, sikwazile ukulungiselela
ukuba ndisakwazi ukunikezela intetho phaya.

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Yiyo loo nto nawe unokuyiphulaphula.

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Qaphela! Ukulungiselela imfazwe
yobundlongondlongo akuvumelekanga!

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Kodwa leyo yindlela nje yokuzama ukuphazamisa ingqwalasela.

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Abantu bathetha ngeziganeko ezinjalo, kodwa hayi ngomxholo.

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Kwaye ndingaphinda nditsho: nokuba kwenzeke
ntoni na apho, imfazwe zokuhlasela ziyalelwe.

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Ndibeka izityholo
zolwaphulo-mthetho kuNjengele Gerhartz nakwabanye.

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Kwaye ndinokukhuthaza kuphela wonke ummi
ukuba aye ezikhululweni zamapolisa ngokwakhe.

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Kwaye ngale vidiyo, idatha ikhona nje, ivumela umntu
ukuthi: Nanku umtyholo wolwaphulo-mthetho ekukrokrwe

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ngalo, ndiyawuxela – kwaye usebenzisa nje uMthetho oSisiseko.

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Akusayi ngaphezulu, akusayi ngaphantsi.

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Kwaye kubalulekile ukuba saziqondise namagosa karhulumente,
oko kukuthi amapolisa namagosa karhulumente, ukuba kunjalo.

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Kwaye wonke ummi ukhululekile ukwenza njalo ukuba ukucwangciswa
kwemfazwe yokuhlasela kucacile ukuba

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kwenzekile apha, njengoko kungqinwa yle ncoko kunye
neziqinisekiso esele zinikwe ngurhulumente.

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Asinakuvumela ukuba oko kwenzeke.

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Ngoko ke ikwasebenza njengomlinganiselo wokubonisa ukuba:

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Thina, njengabemi, siyiqondile le nto.

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Thina, abemi, asiyixhasi le nto.

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Thina, njengabemi, sizama ukuzikhusela.

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Ngokwenza oko, kuyimfuneko kananjalo ukwazisa amapolisa kwaye
mhlawumbi noosopolitiki nabanye ukuze nje kuqalwe

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into ethile, ukuze imfazwe enokubakho yokuhlasela,
ebandakanya nokuthatha inxaxheba kwamaJamani, inokunqandwa.

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Kulungile. Yiyo leyo into ebalulekileyo, ewe.

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Kwaye kungekhona ukwenza umseli kunye nomntu othetha loo nto
babezityholo, kodwa kanye ukugxila kwinto leyo iyiyo, ewe.

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Kwaye oko lityala lolwaphulo-mthetho phantsi
kweCandelo 11 loMthetho weNkonzo yomKhosi.

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Kufuneka kwakhona ndiyibeke le nto icace gca apha:

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NgokwesiCwangciso sesi-11 soMthetho wamaJoni,
umyalelo awunakwenziwa ukuba unokuba lulwaphulo-mthetho.

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Ngoko ke, kuwo onke amajoni nabasebenzi
bakarhulumente: Thini hayi! Hayi kwimfazwe yobundlongondlongo!

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Uzibeka esichengeni sokumangalelwa –
singasathethi ke ngeziphumo zokuziphatha nezinye iimphumo.

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Njengengcali yezonyango, ndingatsho kuphela, sithetha
ntoni apha ngeerokethi nokuqhushumba nokuqhushumbiswa

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kwebhulorho, xa oku kuza kuphinda kubize ubomi babantu.

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Xa imijukujelwa yokuhamba elwandle efana neTaurus iqhushumba,
amaqondo obushushu afikelela kumawaka eedigri zeCelsius.

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Abantu bayatshiswa. Bayagqwethelwa kwaye badlakazwe.

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Yiloo nto esithetha ngayo, ewe.

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Masiphinde sithi kwale ntsha yakwaRheinmetall engenalo nofifi:

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Xa sithetha ngohlaselo lwerokethi, sithetha ngokutshiswa
nokunqunqwa kwamaqatha abantu, kwaye loo nto ayonto yokudlala.

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Yiyo loo nto hayi!

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Ngoko ke, boomama, botata, asizukuzincama
abantwana bethu. Thani hayi kwaye nimele uxolo.