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Umbiko kaSchöning wanamuhla uzogxila
kakhulu ezihlokweni ezintathu zamanje.

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Okokuqala ukuhlela impi yokuhlasela
ngabasemagunyeni beBundeswehr yaseJalimane.

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Abesibili ngu-Ingo Gerhartz no-Amy Gutmann.

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Futhi eyesithathu ukuzama ukuvimba uHeiko Schöning ekukhulumeni
emibhikishweni yokuthula eBerlin ngomhlaka 10 Mashi 2024.

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Ingxoxo yayibanjwe, eyayibonwa noma eyayibikwa
emithonjeni yezindaba njenge "scandali yokulalela iTaurus".

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Kwakuyini konke lokho?

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Impela, futhi lokhu kumele kube isihloko
esikhulu, kuwukuhlela impi yokuhlasela.

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Futhi izimpi zokuhlasela ziyinqatshelwe.

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Ngo-19 Februwari 2024, kwabanjwa umhlangano wokuhlela
impi yokuhlasela ngabajenerali beBundeswehr yaseJalimane.

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Okungukuthi, inhloko yoMbutho Womoya
waseJalimane, uLieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz.

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Ngakho-ke uJenerali Gerhartz noJenerali Gräfe nabanye ababili
ngokukhethekile bahlela ukudubula ibhuloho lwamazwe angaphandle.

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Futhi ngeshwa, ngenxa yobukhulu bayo,
ibhuloho lifana nesikhumulo sezindiza.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi ngingase ngidinge izibhamu
ezindizayo eziyishumi noma ezingamashumi amabili

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ngalokho. Futhi lokho kuwukulungiselela impi yokuhlasela.

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Futhi ngokweSigaba 26, Isigaba 1 soMthetho Osekelayo
– nginayo ikhophi lapha, ebhalwe ngencwadi encane –

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Izenzo ezingase ziphazamise ukuphila
ngokuthula kwamazwe, ikakhulukazi ukulungiselela impi

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yokuhlasela, azihambisani nomthethosisekelo.

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Kufanele bazoshokhwa.

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Ngakho-ke iSigaba 26, Ukugcina Ukuthula,
sichaza ngokusobala ukuthi impi yokuhlasela

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akufanele ihlelwe futhi kumele ihlawuliswe.

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Futhi lokho uJenerali Gerhartz akwenzile nabanye
abaphathi abaphezulu abathathu beBundeswehr kwakuwukubhombha

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ibhuloho lwangaphandle ngama-missile eTaurus aseJalimane.

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Akubalulekile ngempela ukuthi yiluphi uhlobo
lwama-rokhethi noma ukuthi abizwa kanjani.

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Okubalulekile ukuhlela ukuhlasela ebhulorhweni.

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Lokho kungaba sengathi omunye izwe langaphandle lufuna
ukudubula amabhuloho e-Elbe eduze kweHamburg noma eDresden,

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noma amabhuloho eRhine eduze kweCologne noma eDüsseldorf.

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Futhi ukuhlela okucacile, ngoba lo mhlangano
wokuhlela wathatha cishe imizuzu engama-40, lokhu

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sekugunyaziwe, akwenqatshwanga, yilokho ngempela okwenzekile.

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Futhi ngizikholisile ngalokhu. Angiyena udokotela
kuphela, ngiphinde ngaba nekhomishini yomphathi, futhi

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ngiphinde ngibe umphathi eReserveni Yezempi YaseJalimane.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi, ngokombono
wezobuchwepheshe, ngiyakwazi kuphela ukuqinisekisa konke.

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Futhi yilokho okubalulekile. Futhi
lokho kufanele kujeziswe ngumthetho.

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Futhi lokho nakho kwakuyinto esayisho ngemuva kokuba kuphume
ngomhlaka 1 Mashi: Manje sizohlela ngokushesha

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umkhombandlela futhi ngizomemezela ukuthi
ngibika amaJenali, ikakhulukazi uJenali Gerhartz.

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Ngoba lokho kuwubugebengu.

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Yebo, impela. Njengophini we-Bundeswehr,
ngabe ubengamenywa emhlanganweni onjalo?

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Ngakho-ke yini eyayingenzeka ngemuva kwalokho?

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Futhi ngubani ngempela lo Gerhartz, ukuthi
okungenani angakwazi ukuxoxa ngalo hlelo?

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Yebo, uJenerali Gerhartz, noma ngokunembile
uLieutenant Jenerali Ingo Gerhartz,

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usengumphathi osemncane kakhulu esikhundleni sakhe.

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Ungumholi weMpi Yomoya yaseJalimane. Kukhona iMpi Yomhlaba,
iMpi Yezamanzi, iMpi Yomoya kanye nezikhungo ezingaphansi.

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Lokhu kumenza abe ngomunye
wamaJenali abaphakeme kakhulu eJalimane.

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Futhi wahlela lokhu ndawonye nabanye abaphathi bezempi.

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Futhi njengoba iJalimane ililungu le-NATO futhi i-US,
ngokuqinisekile, ingumandla ohola phambili hhayi

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kuphela ngaphakathi kwe-NATO, kumele sizibuze ngokusobala:

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Ingabe ijenali yaseJalimane ingahlela ngempela
ukubhujiswa kwebhuloho elikhulu phesheya ngaphandle

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kwemiyalelo noma ukwesekwa okuvela e-United States?

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Impela cha.

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Futhi-ke, vele, ngazibuza:
Hhayi-ke, ngubani ongaba ngemuva kwalokhu?

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Ubani umuntu empeleni ohola inhloko yoMbutho womoya?

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Ubani umuntu ophethe konke e-USA?

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Yebo, ngokombono wami, kuyiphethini yakudala futhi.

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UnguNdlunkulu wase-United States
eJalimane futhi igama lakhe nguAmy Gutmann.

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Amy Gutmann – kodwa kubhalwe ngokuthi Gutmann.

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Futhi lo muntu, yebo, unazo izinto eziningi
kumarekhodi akhe, okuhambisana nocwaningo lwami lwezobugebengu.

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Ngoba lo wesifazane akayena kuphela uNdlunkulu
wase-United States, kodwa wayenguSihlalo weKomishana

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yoMongameli Yezimiso Zokuziphatha Kwezinto Eziphilayo.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi wasiza ekunqumeni ukuthi kuvunyelwe
yini izikhali zebhayoloji ngaphakathi kwalesi sihlaka.

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Lo ngu-Amy Gutmann.

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UseJalimane isikhathi eside manje futhi
uhlangane noJenerali Ingo Gerhartz izikhathi eziningana.

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Singase futhi sikhombise izithombe zayo lapho.

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Futhi bobabili ngokusobala banobudlelwano bokusebenza obuseduze.

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Futhi empeleni kuyiqiniso ukuthi lesi sikhundla u-Amy Gutmann
asibambe lapha eJalimane akuyona nje indawo yezodiplomasiyane,

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kodwa, njengoba sekubhalwe kahle eminyakeni edlule,
siphinde sibe nesikhundla esihilela imisebenzi yezobuhlakani.

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Futhi abameli baseMelika banezingxenye ze-CIA
ezweni eziphansi kolawulo lwabo, okungukuthi

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inkonzo eyimfihlo, i-Central Intelligence Agency.

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Futhi-ke, masithi ingxenye engaziwa kangako ye-CIA, i-USAID.

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Empeleni, kuwusizo lwezokuthuthukiswa,
ngokuthi. Kodwa lokho kuwumqamelo nje we-CIA.

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Futhi sekunjalo kusukela empini yaseVietnam, okungenani.

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Kukhona futhi namashadi enhlangano, ukuze wazi ukuthi
lapha kukhona i-ambasada, bese ngaphansi kwayo kushadi

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enhlangano kukhona i-CIA, i-USAID nezinye izinhlangano.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi izithunywa zamazwe
angaphandle ezweni nazo ziyafana nabaholi.

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Futhi u-Ingo Gerhartz no-Amy Gutmann bahlangana
izikhathi eziningana futhi bahlela ngokubambisana eduze.

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Singakufakazela lokho.

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Futhi engikuthola kuyethusa nakakhulu wukuthi
u-Amy Gutmann empeleni usebenza kakhulu

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ekusebenziseni nasekulungiseleleni izikhali zebhayoloji.

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Futhi lokhu kufakazelwe ngempela
yizihloko eziningana, ngisho nezihloko zesayensi.

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Lokho akuzwakali kahle, impela,
ikakhulukazi manje njengoba insongo isisondela

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eJalimane njengoba iJalimane ibandakanyeka kakhulu.

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Ngakho-ke kungenzeka ukuthi iJalimane izoyiqhuba ngoba
i-US ayifuni ukuzihlanganisa ngqo. Ingabe kungaba kanjalo?

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Yebo, i-USA isemngceleni wolwandle nje kuphela.

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Futhi lapha eYurophu, kungathiwa, kuwumphikiso
phakathi kweJalimane neRussia, okungukuthi

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akekho umuntu emphakathini waseJalimane ofuna lokhu.

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Futhi umbuzo ithi, kulungiswa kanjani into
enjengale? Kuyenzeka kanjani into enjengale?

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Futhi cishe eminyakeni eyishumi edlule sabona lokhu, futhi manje
singakubona kwenzeka futhi kusukela ngo-2014

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nomuntu ofana kakhulu no-Amy Gutmann osebenza
eJalimane ngokumelene ne-Ukraine, e-Ukraine.

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Lokho kwakuwuhlaselo lwaseMaidan.

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Kulungile, lokho kwakuyi-Maidan coup, okusho
ukushintshwa kukahulumeni, ukuphonswa

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phansi ngodlame kukahulumeni okhethiwe e-Ukraine.

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Futhi empeleni siye saba nalezi
zinkinga zonke kusukela ngo-2014 kuphela.

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Futhi lowo muntu nguVictoria Nuland.

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Ngakho-ke, eminyakeni eyishumi edlule, kwaba nesehlakalo esifanayo
esaholela kulolu phikiswano olukhulu phakathi kwe-Ukraine

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neRussia, oluqhubekile kusukela lapho futhi lusebenza kakhulu.

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Futhi lokho bekungaphinde kwenzeke noma kungaphinde kwenzeke.

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Yebo, ngendlela efanayo, umuntu kumele nje athi.

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Futhi isimo sikaNuland simi kanjani?

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Yebo, kukhona okufanayo nalapho:

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Ingxoxo kaVictoria Nuland nayo yathunjwa
lapho cishe eminyakeni eyishumi edlule.

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Umbuzo wawungu ukuthi i-US kanye nabalingani bayo be-NATO
babefuna ukubona bani njengomholi olandelayo kahulumeni.

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E-Ukraine? E-Ukraine.

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Ubani i-US efuna e-Ukraine. Heiko Schöning:]
Yebo, ngempela. Yilokho ngempela okwakukhona ngakho.

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Futhi amazwe e-EU ayefuna uKlitschko, umdlali
webhokisi. UVictoria Nuland wathi: Fuck i-EU.

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Ngakho-ke kakhumbuli i-EU. Iphansi kakhulu, ayinobungane nhlobo.

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UVictoria Nuland wayenebhajethi ecishe ibe
yizigidigidi ezinhlanu zamadola aseMelika

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ayeyithola ukuze enze lo mzamo wokuthatha uhulumeni.

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Ngakho-ke empeleni kuyicala lokungcola
kwezombusazwe. Yebo, kwaba nobudlova obukhulu eMaidan.

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Futhi sesibone izithombe ezesabekayo nokwanda
kokungezwani lokhu okuholele emazweni angomakhelwane e-Ukraine.

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Yebo, futhi uma abantu ngaleso sikhathi babenaleyo ndlela
yokucabanga, okungukuthi 'Siyashaya i-EU',

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khona-ke namuhla singesabi okubi kakhulu,
okungukuthi i-EU noma iYurophu ingashiywa.

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Noma ukuthi kwamukelwa ukuthi impi
ingase ngempela iqhamuke naseYurophu.

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Yebo, kulungile.

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Ngakho-ke, kuyabonakala ngokusobala ukuthi impi
iyamukelwa. Masibuyele emininingwaneni ethile.

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Yebo, uJenali wase-Bundeswehr yaseJalimane, uGerhartz, ngempela
wahlela ngokuningiliziwe ukuqhumisa ibhuloho laseCrimea.

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Futhi akubalulekile ngempela ukuthi leli
bhuloho lisekuphi, leli bhuloho lwangaphandle.

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IRiphabhulikhi Yezwe LaseJalimane ayilwi
noma yiliphi izwe, futhi abantu abayifuni impi.

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Futhi kumele ngisho ngokusobala, futhi njengomphathi wesibili
emabuthweni aseJalimane: lokhu kuwumcimbi

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wobugebengu; ngokweSigaba 26, Isigaba 1
soMthetho Omkhulu, lokhu kuyohlonywa ngumthetho.

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Lokhu nakho kwafakwa kuMthetho Wezobugebengu
ngaphansi kweSigaba 80 – ukulungiselela impi yokuhlasela.

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Kususwe. Yasuswa ngo-2017, kodwa yaqhubeka
cishe ngendlela efanayo njengasigabeni 13

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soMthetho Wezomthetho Wezobugebengu Bamazwe Ngamazwe.

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Kodwa nayo ishintshiwe kancane,
yancishiswa kancane ngokombono wami.

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Lapha futhi, umuntu kumele abuze: Lokhu kungenzeka kanjani?

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Ungayisusa kanjani nje isigaba somthetho wobugebengu esinjalo
bese usiguqula ngendlela ebonakala iyimbobo emthethweni?

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Kodwa ngokufingqa, ngingasho kuphela ukuthi kungakhathaliseki
ukuthi yiziphi amaqhinga omthetho angase abe

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esetshenziswe lapho, Isihloko 26, Ukugcina Ukuthula, soMthetho
Oyinhloko waseJalimane sisebenza kunoma yisiphi isimo.

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Futhi kucacile ukuthi ngisho nokulungiselela
impi yokuhlasela kufanele kube yicala lobugebengu.

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Kulungile, lokho kusho ukuthi izikhulu
zeBundeswehr zaseJalimane empeleni zenze icala

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lobugebengu, ngakho-ke kufanele zibekwe icala.

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Ngempela, yilokho okubalulekile. Futhi kumele ukubone
ngokushesha, ngaphandle kokumbozwa kwe-US akunakwenzeka kalula.

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Ungakubona futhi emicimbini esemthethweni,
eNgqungqutheleni Yabezindaba Kazwelonke, lapho uGerhartz

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ehlezi eduze kukaGutmann, behlezi khona ndawonye.

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Bahlangana kaningi, benza amalungiselelo nokuningi kakhulu.

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Futhi kuyathandabuzeka ngempela ukuthi umuntu
onobubi anikezwe isikhundla esiphakeme kangaka.

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Futhi ngaphezu kwalokho, kumele ngisho ukuthi u-Amy Gutmann
wayengeyena kuphela inhloko yeKomishana Yezimiso Zokuziphatha

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Kwezinto Eziphilayo kaMongameli wase-United States, okusho ukuthi
wayenegunya ngqo ekuthatheni izinqumo eziphathelene nezikhali

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eziphilayo, kodwa wayengumongameli weNyuvesi yasePennsylvania
iminyaka eminingi. Yebo, leli sifundazwe e-United States.

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Iyunivesithi enkulu
ngokulinganisela, iPenn University, ePennsylvania.

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Futhi ngichaze ngokuningiliziwe encwadini ethi
'Ukuhlasela iMicrobiome' ukuthi ucwaningo lwezikhali eziphilayo

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lwenziwa kanjani njengamanje eNyuvesi yasePennsylvania.

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Asifuni ukungena emininingwaneni eminingi lapha, ngoba
sesivele sakhiqiza umbiko kaSchöning ngalesi sihloko.

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Futhi eNyuvesi yasePennsylvania kunomcwaningi
wezikhali eziphilayo ogama lakhe uHenry Daniel.

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Futhi manje sesibuyele kulelo phuzu futhi.

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Lokhu futhi kusho ukuthi imicu yonke ihamba
ngendlela efanayo futhi iphinde ihlangane,

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ngakho-ke sidinga ukunaka ngokukhethekile lokhu.

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Abezindaba abakhulu eJalimane abanaki
lokhu kakhulu, noma ngempela abanakile nhlobo.

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Lolu daba lweTaurus aluhloselwe ukulungiselela impi yokuhlasela,
okusho ukuthi alukhulumi ngento ethile ephikisanayo,

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kodwa ikakhulu mayelana nokuhlola okwenziwa yiRussia.

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Impela, lokhu futhi kufihla iqiniso lokuthi konke lokhu kungenzeka
ukuthi kwaqondiswa kule ndlela ngosizo lwe-USA nabanye.

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Futhi ngale ndlela, futhi kusiza ukudukisa umphakathi.

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Futhi ubunjalo bokudubula kwalesi simo
abukakabi namanje ngempela phakathi komphakathi

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jikelele eJalimane, ngokuthi abukakabi waziwa kabanzi.

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Futhi yilokho okwakuyinhloko, ukubiza
ngokushesha umkhombandlela wokubonisa ukuze kuthiwe:

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Qaphela, sisondele empini uma siqhubeka kanje.

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Ojenerali bamabutho aseJalimane kumele basuswe kulezi
zikhundla ukuze kuvikelwe izinto ezimbi kakhulu ukuthi zenzeke.

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Futhi yingakho lo mkhombandlela
wokuthula wahlelwa mhla ziyi-10 kuMashi eBerlin.

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Nokho, uHeiko Schöning wabanjwa amaphoyisa
imizuzu emihlanu ngaphambi kokuba umcimbi uqale.

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Lokhu kwenzeke kanjani, noma yini eyayinokuba yisithiyo?

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Yebo, ngiyakwazi ukuthi ucingo lwami
lweselula nokuxhumana kwami kuyahlonyelwa.

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Ngalesi simo kwacaca ukuthi ngabe ngiyoba umuntu
wokuqala ukukhuluma emibhikishweni; njengomkhulumi

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wokuqala, ngizophinde ngithi izimpi zokuhlasela azivunyelwe.

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KwakunguJenerali Gerhartz nabanye oJenerali.
Ngizofaka isimangalo sobugebengu emaphoyiseni

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ngokumelene no-Ingo Gerhartz nabanye oJenerali.

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Futhi kumele uqhubeke ubuyele
kulokho, ngoba konke okunye kuwukudida.

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Empeleni lapha sibhekene nomdlalo, nomlilo, nempi yokuhlasela.

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Yebo, ngisho nokuhlela ukuhlasela okunjalo kujeziswa
okungenani iminyaka eyishumi ejele. Futhi ukuqala

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impi yokuhlasela kujeziswa ukuboshwa impilo yonke, yebo.

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Futhi kumele siphume emigwaqweni, kumele sisho lokho.

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Futhi lokho kwenzeka ngeSonto eBerlin, mhla ziyi-10
kuMashi, ngo-2 ntambama, lapho kwakufanele kuqale khona.

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Bengivele ngikhona lapho ngo-12 emini emgwaqweni i-17 June.

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Lokho cishe imitha eziyikhulu ukusuka
eBrandenburg Gate, phambi kwesikhumbuzo sempi samaSoviet.

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Ngakhuluma nomphoyisa lapho ngendlela
enobungane futhi ngambonisa isazisi sami.

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Ngitshele ukuthi ngingubani. Ngingumkhulumi
wokuqala lapha, futhi singabeka kuphi izinto

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zolwazi? Konke bekulungile, konke bekuhle, yebo.

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Kwakuhlelwe ukuqala ngo-2 ntambama,
ngakho cishe emahoreni amabili kamuva.

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Futhi sakuzwa: cishe imizuzu emihlanu kuya
kweyishumi ngaphambi kwalokho, amaphoyisa afika

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ngokuzumayo wangibuza; empeleni kwakuyimbuzo nje.

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– Ungathanda ukuza ukuze uqinisekise
umuntu? Noma bengazi kahle ukuthi ngingubani.

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Ngathi: Cha, angifuni. Anginayo isikhathi salokho okwamanje.
Ngifuna ukukhuluma lapha, ngakho-ke impendulo ithi cha.

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Futhi ngaphandle kokuthi bathi bafuna ukuqinisekisa
ubunikazi bomuntu ofuna idatha yami nekheli lami futhi.

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Bengisewanike khona
ngaphambilini, noma ngempela, sebebazi kakade.

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Lokho kwakungalingani nhlobo. Kwakuhloselwe ukuphazamisa
izinto. Bengingekho ngihloselwe ukunikeza inkulumo le.

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Ngadonswa ngokudlula amahora
amathathu, ngempela ngendlela enzima kakhulu.

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Futhi kude kangaka, eHohenschönhausen, amakhilomitha
ayi-15 ukusuka emaphakathi nedolobha laseBerlin, yebo, kude

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ngempela, ngakho ngafika kuphela emva kokushona kwelanga.

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Ngenhlanhla, sikwazile ukulungiselela
ukuthi ngisakwazi ukunikeza inkulumo lapho.

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Yingakho nawe ungakulalela.

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Qaphela! Ukulungiselela impi yokuhlasela kuvinjelwe!

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Kodwa lokho kuwumkhuba nje wokuzama ukudonsa ukunaka.

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Abantu bakhuluma ngalezi zenzakalo, kodwa hhayi ngomqondo wazo.

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Futhi ngingaphinda ngithi: noma yini
eyenzekile lapho, izimpi zokuhlasela azivunyelwe.

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Ngibeka izinsolo zobugebengu kuJenerali Gerhartz nabanye.

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Futhi ngingakhuthaza kuphela wonke umuntu
ukuthi aye eziteshini zamaphoyisa mathupha.

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Futhi ngale vidiyo, idatha ikhona nje, okuvumela
umuntu ukuthi athi: Nansi icala elingabekwa ubugebengu,

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ngiyabika – futhi ngisebenzisa nje uMthetho Osekelweni.

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Akusadingeki okwengeziwe, akusadingeki okuncane.

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Futhi kubalulekile ukuthi sazi abasebenzi bakahulumeni nezikhulu,
okusho abaphoyisa nabasebenzi bakahulumeni, ukuthi kunjalo.

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Futhi wonke umuntu uyakhululeka ukwenza kanjalo uma ukuhlela impi
yokuhlasela sekucacile ukuthi kwenzekile

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lapha, njengoba kufakazelwa yilesi sixoxo kanye
nokuqinisekiswa okusevele kunikezwe nguhulumeni.

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Asikwazi ukuvumela lokho kwenzeke.

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Ngakho-ke futhi isebenza njengesilinganiso ukukhombisa ukuthi:

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Thina, njengabantu bonke, sesiyakuqonda lokhu.

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Thina, abantu, asisekeli lokhu.

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Thina, njengabantu bonke, sizama ukuzivikela.

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Ngokwenza kanjalo, kuyadingeka futhi ukwazisa amaphoyisa kanye
nabaholi bezepolitiki nabanye ukuze nje kuqalwe

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okuthile ukuze impi yokuhlasela engase ibe khona,
ehlanganisa nokubamba iqhaza kwamaJalimane, imiswe.

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Kulungile. Yilokho nje okubalulekile, yebo.

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Futhi hhayi ukubeka icala kumthumeli nomuntu okushoyo
lokhu, kodwa empeleni sigxile ekutheni kuyini ngempela, yebo.

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Futhi lokho kuwusolwa ngaphansi
kweSigaba 11 soMthetho Wesevisi Yezempi.

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Kufanele futhi ngikucacise lokhu ngokusobala lapha:

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NgokweSigaba 11 soMthetho wamaSosha, umyalo
awunakwenziwa uma ungaholela ekubeni icala lobugebengu.

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Ngakho-ke, kubo bonke amasosha nabasebenzi
bakahulumeni: Thini cha! Cha empini yokuhlasela!

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Uzenza usesimweni sokubhekana nokumangalelwa – ngaphandle
kokukhuluma ngemiphumela yokuziphatha nezinye imiphumela.

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Njengodokotela, ngingasho kuphela, sikhuluma
ngani lapha ngama-rokhethi nokuqhuma

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nokuqhuzulwa kwebhuloho, lapho kuzobulala abantu futhi.

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Uma imisaeli yokuhamba olwandle efana neTaurus idubula, izinga
lokushisa lifinyelela ezinkulungwaneni zama-degree Celsius.

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Abantu bayashiswa. Bayaphahlazwa futhi
izingxenye zomzimba wabo zihlukaniswa.

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Yilokho esikhuluma ngakho, yebo.

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Masiphinde sisho lokhu kubasha beRheinmetall abangazi lutho:

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Uma sikhuluma ngokuhlaselwa ngama-rokhethi, sikhuluma ngokushiswa
nokuhlakazwa kwemizimba yabantu, futhi akuyona into yokuhleka.

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Yingakho cha!

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Ngakho-ke, bamama nobaba, ngeke sinikeze
izingane zethu. Thula cha futhi ume uxhasane nokuthula.