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Ho tloha ka la 16 ho isa ho la 23 Phuptjane
2024, kampo ea khotso e ile ea tšoaroa hape selemong

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sena haufi le setsi sa sesole sa US se Ramstein.

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Nakong ena, Stop Airbase Ramstein e ile ea hlophisa
beke e pharaletseng ea liketso tse nang le sehlooho sa

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khotso, ho lebisitsoe maitekong a ntseng a eketseha a ntoa.

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Na ntoa e 'ngoe e tla qholotsoa mobung oa
Jeremane, ka hona ho tlola boitlamo ba rona ka

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bohlaswa ba ho se boele re loana ntoa hape?

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Kla.tv e ne e le teng ka kotloloho moketeng oa mantsiboea ka la
21 Phuptjane, e bokella maikutlo le mehopolo ho

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tsoa sechabeng, 'me ea kopa Daniele Ganser ho
araba potso ena puisanong e khuts'oane e ikhethileng.

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Likitara tse seng kae ka sefofane, ho na le setsi se seholo ka
ho fetisisa sa sesole sa US naheng ea Jeremane, e leng Ramstein,

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ntlo-kholo ea Lebotho la Sefofane la US naheng ea Europe.

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Lintoa tsohle tsa li-drone lilemong tsa morao
tjena, ebang ke Pakistan, Libya, Afghanistan,

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Somalia, Yemen kapa Iraq, li ne li laoloa ho tloha mona.

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Batho ba bangata ha ba tsebe hore mmuso wa US o na le ditopo
tsa sesole tse fetang 100 tse eketsehileng naheng ya Jeremane.

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Boteng bona bo boholo ba sesole ba maano ba USA
naheng ea Jeremane bo tšosa batho ba bangata.

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Mme kgatello e ntse e eketseha.

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Qalong ya beke, setsi sa phatlalatso sa inthaneteng sa puo
ya Sejeremane, News, se phatlaladitse sehlooho se reng,

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"NATO, Wiesbaden e tla ba ntlo-kgolo ya tshehetso ya Ukraine."

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Sena se bua ka setsi sa sesole sa Amerika se Wiesbaden-Erbenheim.

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Klagemauer TV e se e hlahisitse tokomane e khahlang ka taba ena.

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Ka lilemo tse ngata, batho ba bangata le ho feta naheng
ea rona ba sitiloe ho phomola ka khutso, ba tseba

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hore re lutse hodima ntho e ka phatlohang, ha re ka rialo.

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Selemong sena, batho ba makgolo ba boetse ba bokane
mona kampong ya kgotso e le karolo ya beke ya kgotso.

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Molaetsa oa hau?

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Re sebeletsa khotso ka mafolofolo.

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Re hana ho ba lira mme re batla
bonngoe ba machaba le ho theha maqhama.

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Lumela, ha re kganna diterateng mona, tsohle di kgotsofetse.

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Ke kgotso.

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Hobaneng kampo ea khotso?

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Ke hobaneng ha o le mona kajeno?

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Nka araba potso eo ka boiphihlelo ba ka.

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Ke na le ntho mona letsohong la ka.

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Ke sekotwana sa tshepe.

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'M'e o e nkile e ntse e le chesa ha a le lilemo li 16.

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'M'e o hlahile ka 1924.

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Ke tseba ho tsoa lipale­ng kamoo phatlalatso ea ntoa e
sebetsang kateng le kamoo batho ba qholotsoang ho ea ntoeng.

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Mme ke sona hantle seo ke se bonang mona hona jwale.

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Re hlahlojwa ke phatlalatso ya ntwa mme
mmuso wa rona o batla ho re isa ntweng.

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Mona Jeremane, mobung oa Jeremane.

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Mme ke sa le ngwana, ke ithutile
hore ntwa e se ke ya hlola e ba teng.

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Ntate o thusitse ho theha mokgatlo wa Mokoloko wa Paseka
mme a ne a eletsa ba hanang ntoa ka lebaka la letswalo.

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Ho hlakile ho 'na hore mora oa ka ha a lokela ho ea moo.

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O na le dilemo tse 27, le moradi wa ka ya nang le dilemo
tse 24, le bana ba rona ba bang kaofela ha ba na tsona.

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Mme Maukraine le Marussia le bona ha ba a lokela ho ya teng.

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Ho se be le ntwa hape ke eona feela moono o
totobetseng oo nka o nahanang o ka sebediswang tabeng ena.

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Ho molemo ho qeta lihora tse sekete o
buisana ho feta hora e le 'ngoe o thunya.

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Mme Rammstein, ehlile, ke sebaka se setle sa ho
etsa boipelaetso bakeng sa kgotso, hobane ho

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etsahala dintho tse tshabehang ka tsela e makatsang mona.

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Mme ka dinako tse ding ke fumana maikutlo a hore rona Majeremane
re etella pele ha ho tluwa tabeng ya ho

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qholotsa dintwa lefatsheng ka bophara kapa ho thusa ba
bang ho qholotsa dintwa lefatsheng ka bophara.

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Mme ha ho hlokehe hore ho be jwalo, na ha ho jwalo?

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Ke ka lebaka leo ke leng mona ke tšehetsa Kampa
ea Kgotso ea Rammstein, 'me ke thabile haholo

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hore ebe batho ba bangata hakana ba arabetse pitso.

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Ke hobaneng ha o le mona kajeno?

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Ke hobaneng ha kampo ya kgotso e le ya bohlokwa?

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Lumela.

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Kahoo mohlomong mona ho ntse ho le kgotso.

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Empa pele ho tsohle, eseng hohle.

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Mme sa bobedi, dintho di tla tlohela ho ba le
kgotso haufinyane mona haeba boradipolotiki ba

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tswela pele ka seo ho bonahalang ba se rerile.

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Mme ke lakatsa haholo ho bontsha ka ho ba teng ha ka mona
hore ha se bohle ba foufaletseng feela seo re se bolelloang.

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Hantle haholo. Kea leboha ka ho ba teng.

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Kajeno, dibui tse tummeng haholo di tla
nyolohela sethaleng ho bua ka kgotso.

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Moqolotsi oa litaba Christiane Reimann, setsebi sa thuto
ea bolumeli, mohlahlobi oa kelello le mongoli Eugen

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Drewermann, le rahistori le mofuputsi oa khotso Daniele Ganser.

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Ke leboha haholo ka ho ba teng ha
lona le ka ho tla ka bongata bo boholo.

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Ke thabile haholo ka seo.

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Mme nka o tiisetsa hore ho ya ka dipalopalo, o emetse bongata.

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Ho na le lipatlisiso tse ncha, tsa machaba.

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Sena se bontša hore e seng Jeremane feela, e seng
Fora feela, e seng Great Britain feela, empa le United

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States, bongata bo hanana le ntoa khahlanong le Russia.

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Rammstein ke setsi se seholo ka ho fetisisa sa
sesole sa United States kantle ho naha ea eona.

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Ho tloha mona, litlhaselo tsa li-drone lia
phethahatsoa le ho hlophisoa lefatšeng ka bophara.

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E seng molaong. Ka thato. Ka tšohanyetso.

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Ka tumello ea Rephaboliki ea Federale, e
ipolelang hore ha e tsebe letho ka lintlha.

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Rea tseba ka sena mme ha re sa batla hore ho dule ho le tjena.

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Molaetsa o hlakile.

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Mofumahadi Baerbock, re tlameha ho
buisana ho ena le ho leka ho senya Russia.

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Re tlameha ho bona tshabo ya rona mahloeng a ba bang.

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Re fetohile babolai.

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Monghadi Pistorius, o ka bala ka seo musiamong wa hao.

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Ho tsoa phihlelong pakeng tsa 1914 le 1918.

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Na o dumela kannete hore dintho di ntlafetse?

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Jwaloka kamehla, Ntwa ya Bobedi ya
Lefatshe e ne e le feela keketseho ya ya Pele.

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Mme seo re nang le sona hona jwale se mpe
haholo ho feta Ntwa yohle ya Bobedi ya Lefatshe.

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Le libomo tsa athomo tse
Hiroshima le Nagasaki li ne li sa lekana.

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Amerika e hloka libomo tsa haedrojene.

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Amerika ha e so be le libomo tsa neutron tse lekaneng.

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Polao e tlameha ho lula e ka nyoloha.

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Mme jwale mohlomong se sebe ka ho fetisisa ho tsohle.

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Re hloka batho ba ikemiseditseng ho nka karolo.

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Banana ba lilemo li 16 le ba lilemo li 18 ba lebelletsoe
ho itokisetsa ho ithuta ho bolaea batho ha ba laetsoe.

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Sena se etsahala lebaleng le leng le
le leng la masole lefatšeng ka bophara.

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Ke ka lebaka leo ke buelang kgotso, ke bile ke hanana le ntwa.

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E seng ka mabaka a lipolotiki feela, a moruo kapa a mang.

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Empa ka molao-motheo.

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Ntoa ke botho bo fokolang, kaha ke
mohloli oa boitšoaro bo bobe bohle.

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Monna tafoleng ea mosebetsi.

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Ha o kgutla, mmolelle a take dithunya tsa letsoho le meqomo
ya dikanono, eseng dipitsa tsa ho pheha le dipayipi tsa metsi.

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Monna tafoleng ea mosebetsi, rea hana.

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'Mè naheng ea Jeremane.

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'Mè naheng ea Ukraine.

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Ha o kgutla mme o mmolelle hore o lokela ho ba le bana.

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Basetsana bakeng sa lipetlele.

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Bashemane bakeng sa masoba a ntoa.

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'Mè naheng ea Jeremane.

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'Mè naheng ea Ukraine o re che.

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Monna ka laboratori.

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Ha ba tla ho wena mme ba re o lokela ho qapa
lefu le letjha bakeng sa bophelo ba kgale.

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Monna laboratoring o re che.

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Le moruti sethaleng.

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Ho tsoa ho bona ke sa utloe le poleloana
matsatsing ana, esita le tumello bakeng sa Mopapa Francis.

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Monna serapeng

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Ha ba kgutla mme ba o bolella hore o
lokafatse ntwa le ho hlohonolofatsa dibetsa.

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Monna serapeng, re bolele che.

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Hobane ha o sa re che, tsohle di tla kgutla mme
di be mpe ho feta kamoo di kileng tsa ba kateng.

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Kea leboha ka ho ba mona.

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Viola Amherd le Ignazio Cassis joale ba
hlophisitse seboka sa khotso ka Phuptjane.

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Le utlwile ka ntwa ya Ukraine, mme ha ba a mema Marussia.

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Kahoo, ona ke sesupo se seng, haeba ka nako e
'ngoe u ipotsa hore na re phela mehleng ea pherekano.

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Joale karabo e hlakile haholo: e.

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Ho tshwana le ha o na le qabang ya lenyalo mme o re, ee,
ke setsebi, nka o thusa, empa ke tla mema mosadi feela.

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Mme ka mora moo re tla e lokisa.

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Ha ho kgonehe, bohle ba a tseba seo.

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Mme ke sona hantle seo re sa tswa se itemohela Switzerland.

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Mme ha e le hantle, tlhahlobo ke hore o ka re
Maamerika a tlotse thibelo ya Machaba a Kopaneng ya

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tshebediso ya matla hobane a ile a ketola mmuso.

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Ha o a lokela ho etsa jwalo.

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Hona ke tlolo e hlakileng ya thibelo ya
Machaba a Kopaneng kgahlanong le pefo.

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Mme Marussia a tlola thibelo ya dikgoka hobane a hlasetse
ka 1942. Jwale o nka 1942 le 1942 mmoho mme o re, hantle, ka

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nako eo Jeremane e ka be e ile ya dula e sa nke lehlakore.

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Le ka dula le sa nke lehlakore mme la re, ho na le
dihlopha tse pedi tse fapaneng mona, re tla ba poeletsa.

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Mme molemo o mong e ka ba hore re ka ikarola ho Maamerika.

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Empa seo se ne se tla bolela hore
Jeremane e lokela ho tloha ho NATO.

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Nka rata ho qetella ka ho bolela sena.

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Ha o hlokomela hore ha se qeto e bohlale ho lwantshana le
Maamerika nako le nako, jwale tsohle di ba sebakeng sa tsona.

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Joale ha ho thata hakaalo.

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Ha ho thata hakaalo.

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Ho e-na le hoo, motho o mpa a re, ee,
Maamerika a se a thuntse Vietnam ka libomo.

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Ba hlotse mmuso oa Iran.

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Ba ile ba ketola mmuso wa Guatemala.

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Ba hlotse mmuso naheng ea Chile.

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Ba ile ba qhomisa Libya ka libomo, ehlile.

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Ba qhekanyeditse likhetho Italy.

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Ka 1948, o ne o eso tswalwe.

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Empa yaba e mpa ya tswela pele.

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Ke letoto le lelelele haholo la
lintoa tseo Maamerika a li loantseng.

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Mme ka maano, sepheo sa ka se seholo mona
Jeremane ke ho tsebisa batho hore ho na le

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batho ba babatsehang naheng ya United States.

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Le bona ke karolo ea lelapa la batho.

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Joaloka Marussia le Maukraine le Mapalestina le Maiseraele.

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Empa hape o tlameha ho tseba hore sehlopha se senyenyane
haholo naheng ea US se na le pefo e feteletseng. E feteletseng.

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Mme motho ha a lokela ho ba latela ka bofofu.

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Monghadi Ganser, ka nako e telele, ntlha e ka
sehloohong Jeremane le dipolotiking e ne e le hore

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ntwa ha e a lokela ho hlola e simoloha Jeremane.

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Ka lebaka la lipolelo tsa morao tjena tsa
bo-ralipolotiki ba Majeremane, u bona leqephe lena joang?

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E, ke tshwenyehile.

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Ke nahana hore maele a ntse a nepahetse.

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Ntoa ha ea lokela ho boela e tsoa Jeremane.

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Mme haeba jwale o ka re, e, kapa tjhe, re tla fa
Ukraine dibetsa mme Ukraine e ka sebedisa dibetsa

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tsena ho qhomisa Russia, jwale hoo ho a amoheleha.

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Ke fumana hore dipolelo tse jwalo ha di a nepahala.

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Nka e fumana e le bohlokoa haholo kapa e loketse haholoanyane
haeba Jeremane e ne e ka re, che, re batla ho sebeletsa khotso.

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Re batla ho sebeletsa ho tlisa Maukraine le Marussia
tafoleng ea lipuisano e le hore ba khaotse ho bolaoana.

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Seo se bolela hore ha e le hantle, ke karolo ea Jeremane.

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E seng ho qholotsa lintoa, 'me ka holim'a tsohle, eseng lintoa,
e, ke lona taba ena e lutlisitseng kantle ea Taurus eo re

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utloileng ka eona, eo liofisiri tsa Sesole sa Borithane le
Sesole sa Sefofane li itseng re ka boela ra qhomisa Russia.

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Eo ke tsela e fosahetseng ka ho feletseng.

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Seo se ntshwenya.

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Hape ke dumela hore bongata ba
baahi ba Jeremane ruri ha bo batle seo.

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U boletse eng?

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Ruri boradipolotiki ba Majeremane ba reng mona Rammstein?

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U reng ka NATO?

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Na o na le sebaka sa ho iketsetsa letho ho hang?

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Hantle, ho itshetlehile ka hore na o ho sheba jwang.

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Ka molao, Jeremane ke naha e ikemetseng.

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Mme haeba ke naha e ikemetseng, jwale
boradipolotiki ba Jeremane ba ka tlohela NATO mme ba re ha re

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sa batla ho ba karolo ya mokgatlo ona wa sesole.

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Borapolitiki ba Majeremane, ba kang Chancellor Olaf Scholz, ba ka
ntan'o hatella hore ho fanoe ka tlhaloso e hlakileng

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mabapi le tlhaselo ea bokhukhuni e entsoeng mecheng ea
phepelo ea Nord Stream ka la 26 Phupu le la 27 Loetse 2022.

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Empa ha o ka shebisisa, o tlameha ho bona, mme ehlile
ho bohloko ho bona, hore Olaf Scholz ha a phehelle

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hore ho be le dipatlisiso ka tlhaselo ena ya bokgukguni.

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Mme ha e le hantle, nka thabela hore sena se
hlakiswe, hobane e ne e le tlhaselo e kgolo ya bokgukguni e

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bileng e bakile tshenyo e kgolo moruong wa Jeremane.

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Mme mona motho o se a utlwa hore
boipuso ba Jeremane bo a fokotswa.

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Ke ka lebaka leo ke dumelang hore masole
ohle a Maamerika a lokela ho tloha Jeremane.

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Hona joale ho na le ba 38,000.

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Le hore Setsi sa Sefofane sa Sesole sa
Rammstein se ne se tla tlameha ho kwalwa.

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Re bohōle ba limithara tse seng kae ho
tloha setsing sa sefofane sa sesole.

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Leha ke boemo ba ka hona jwale, ke a
tseba hore ha ho na ho etsahala hosane.

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Empa ke dumela hore ke ntho ya bohlokwa ha batho ba bangata le
ho feta ba iteta sefuba ho hlahisa maikutlo ana phatlalatsa.

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Ka mantsoe a mang, ha rea lokela ho lebella ho
hongata haholo ho tsoa lipolotiking motsotsong ona.

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Re tlameha ho inkela khato.

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Re tlameha ho ipholosa, ha re ka rialo, le ho
fetisa takatso ea rona, thato ea rona, ha re ka rialo.

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E, ke nahana hore sechaba se lokela ho
iketsetsa qeto ka seo se se batlang.

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Kahoo ho na le karolo ea baahi naheng ea
Jeremane e nahanang hore Maamerika ke metsoalle

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ea rona e metle ebile ba re lakela tse molemo.

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Empa ka nako eo, nka shebisisa ka botebo tlhaselo ea
bokhukhuni e entsoeng mecheng ea phepelo ea Nord Stream.

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Ha o fihlela qeto ya hore, ho lokile, Maamerika a na le
dithahasello tse fapaneng le tsa rona ka karolo e itseng, o lokela

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ho nahana ka hore na re ka tiisa dithahasello tsa rona jwang.

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Hobane ho ne ho tla ba molemo haholo ho
Jeremane ho reka khase ea tlhaho e theko e tlase

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ho tsoa Russia le ho ba le moruo o atlehileng.

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Empa hona joale re maemong ao Jeremane e leng
kotsing ea ho iphumana e ntse e kenella ntoeng

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le Ukraine ka ho eketsehileng ka tšohanyetso.

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hobane masole a Ukraine a ne a kwetlisitswe
dipeisong tsa sesole sa Amerika naheng ya Jeremane.

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Mme ha re sheba nalane, ho hlakile hore Maamerika
a ile a hulela Jeremane ntweng ha a hlasela

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Serbia ka 1999, Afghanistan ka 2001, le Syria ka 2015.

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Mme nka re feela hore tsena ke dinaha tse
nyenyane, Serbia, Afghanistan le Syria.

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Boemo ba Russia bo fapane ka ho feletseng.

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Mme eo e ne e tla ba nako eo re lokelang ho
tsoha le ho re, ntwa e ke ke ya hlola e ba teng

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hape, esita le ntwa le Russia, ha re e batle.

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Le lula le bua ka lelapa la batho, e leng setshwantsho se setle.

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U bona tharollo efe?

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Re ka etsa eng re le batho?

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Kahoo, ka poleloana "lelapa la batho," ke bolela hore
Maukraine le Marussia, Maamerika le Majeremane,

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Maserba le Maafghan kaofela ke karolo ea lelapa la batho.

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Hobane phatlalatso ea ntoa e lula e bontša sehlopha
se seng e le se sebe, ebe e pheha khang ea hore haeba

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re bolaea batho ba babe, maemo a rona a tla ba betere.

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E 'nile ea boleloa joalo kamehla.

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Mme ha e le hantle, ho bile jwalo kamehla nalaneng yohle.

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Kahoo ke ile ka hlokomela feela hore
e ne e le leqheka la khale haholo.

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Mme seo ha e le hantle ke batlang ho se bontsha ka poleloana
'lelapa la batho' ke hore ha o a lokela ho bolaya mang kapa mang

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ho hang, le hore o lokela ho hana phatlalatso ena
yohle ya hore ke ditlokotsebe feela tse phelang

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Afghanistan le hore Marussia a tswetswe e le mabe.

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Ke bophatlalatsi bohle ba ntoa feela, e le hore o bo nyatse ebe
o re, che, ho na le batho ba babatsehang ba phelang Afghanistan,

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Ho na le batho ba babatsehang ba phelang
Russia, batho ba babatsehang ba phelang

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Ukraine, batho ba babatsehang ba phelang Jeremane.

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E le hore o se ke wa ikgaoganya.

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Hobane phatlalatso ea ntoa e ka baka tšenyo e kholo
lipelong le mehoplong ea batho ha ba qala ka tšohanyetso

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ho nahana hore sechaba sena kapa seo se mpe ka tlhaho.

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Seo e ne e le leshano kamehla.

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Ee, 'me qetellong ba boela ba felloa ke tšabo ea motho e mong.

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Monghadi Ganser, ke a leboha haholo ka puisano ena e kgutshwane.

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U boletse lerato, 'nete le sebete.

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Mme ke lakatsa bophelo ba hao hore o
pharalatse dithupa tsena tse tharo hole haholo.

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Ho lokile, kea leboha.

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O be le letsatsi le monate.

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E tla tsoa haufinyane, u se ke oa e fetoa.

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Tokomane ea NATO

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Kgotso Yuropa – a NATO e hlokahala?

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Patlisiso e tiileng e senola maqheka a
NATO a ho qholotsa ntoa le a ho khelosa.

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