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Ukususela ngomhla we-16 ukuya kowe-23 kuJuni
2024, kuye kwabanjwa kwakhona ikampu yoxolo kulo

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nyaka kufutshane nesiseko somkhosi wase-US eRamstein.

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Ngexesha eli, i-Stop Airbase Ramstein iququzelele
iveki ebanzi yentshukumo ngomxholo woxolo,

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ngenjongo yokujongana nemizamo yemfazwe eyayisiya isanda.

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Ingaba omnye umbango uza kuvuswa kumhlaba
waseJamani, ngaloo ndlela kusatyhutyhwa ngokungazenzisiyo

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isibophelelo sethu sokungaphindi simsele umbango?

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IKla.tv ibikho ngqo kumsitho wangokuhlwa ngomhla wama-21 kuJuni,
iqokelela iimbono namazwi esihlwele, kwaye

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ivumela uDaniele Ganser ukuba aphendule lo mbuzo
kudliwano-ndlebe olufutshane olukhethekileyo.

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Iikhilomitha ezimbalwa nje ngomgama womoya kukho
eyona ntsinga mkhulu yomkhosi wase-US eJamani,

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iRamstein, ikomkhulu loMkhosi woMoya wase-US eYurophu.

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Zonke iimfazwe zeedrone kwiminyaka yakutshanje,
nokuba ePakistan, eLibya, eAfghanistan,

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eSomalia, eYemen okanye eIraq, bezilawulwa ukusuka apha.

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Abantu abaninzi abazi ukuba ulawulo lwase-US lusebenzisa
iindawo zomkhosi ezongezelelweyo ezingaphezu kwe-100 eJamani.

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Obu bunjalo obukhulu bobukho bemikhosi
yase-USA eJamani boyikisa abantu abaninzi.

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Kwaye uxinzelelo luyenyuka.

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Ekuqaleni kweveki, isiphephandaba se-intanethi
sesiJamani iNews sipapashe isihloko esithi, "I-NATO,

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iWiesbaden ziza kuba yikomkhulu lenkxaso yaseUkraine."

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Oku kubhekiselele kwisiseko sase-US eWiesbaden-Erbenheim.

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IKlagemauer TV sele ivelise
umboniso obonisa amabali ngalo mbandela.

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Kangangeminyaka, abantu abaninzi ngakumbi kweli lizwe lethu
abakwazanga ukuphumla ngoxolo, besazi ukuba sihleli phezu

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kwesibhamu esikulungele ukuqhushumba, ukuthetha ngokufanayo.

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Kulo nyaka, amakhulu abantu baye bahlangana kwakhona
apha kwinkampu yoxolo, njengenxalenye yeveki yoxolo.

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Umyalezo wakho?

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Sisebenza ngenkuthalo uxolo.

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Siyala ukuba ziintshaba kwaye sifuna umanyano
namazwe ngamazwe kunye nokwakha unxibelelwano.

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Molo, xa siqhuba ezitratweni apha, yonke into izolile.

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Luthixo lwexolo.

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Kutheni ikhampu yoxolo?

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Kutheni ulapha namhlanje?

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Ndingayiphendula loo nto ngokwam.

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Ndine into apha esandleni sam.

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Lilukhuni lwesigebenga.

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Umama wam wayiphakamisa isashushu, eneminyaka eli-16 ubudala.

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Umama wam wazalwa ngo-1924.

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Ndiyazi kwizibhalo indlela ipropaganda
yemfazwe esebenza ngayo, nendlela abantu abakhuthazwa

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ngayo ngokugqithisileyo ukuba baye emfazweni.

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Kwaye yile nto kanye endiyibonayo apha ngoku.

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Sijongene nepropaganda yemfazwe kwaye
urhulumente wethu ufuna ukusithumela emfazweni.

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Apha eJamani, kumhlaba waseJamani.

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Kwaye ndisengumntwana, ndafunda ukuba mandingaphindi ndilwe.

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Utata wam wancedisa ekusekeni umbutho woMatshi we-Ista
waza wacebisa abo baphikisa umkhosi ngenxa yezenkolo.

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Kucacile kum ukuba unyana wam akufuneki aye apho.

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Uneminyaka engama-27, kwaye intombi yam nayo ineminyaka
engama-24, kwaye akukho namnye kubantwana bethu abanye.

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Kwaye nama-Ukraine namaRashiya akufanelanga baye nalapho.

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Akusayi kubakho mfazwe ngomnye kuphela
umgaqo-sikhokelo oqinileyo endinokucinga ngawo

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onokuthi usetyenziswe ngokuphathekayo kulo mba.

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Kungcono uchithe iiyure ezili-1,000
uthethathethana kunokuchitha iyure enye udubula.

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Kwaye iRammstein, ewe, yindawo elungileyo yokuqhankqalazela
uxolo, kuba kwenzeka izinto ezimbi ngokumangalisayo apha.

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Kwaye ngamanye amaxesha ndifumana umbono wokuba thina
mantshontsho aseJamani sikhokela phambili xa kuziwa

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ekulweni imfazwe kwihlabathi jikelele okanye
ekuncedeni abanye ukuba balwe imfazwe kwihlabathi jikelele.

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Kwaye akunyanzelekanga ukuba kube njalo, akunjalo?

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Yiloo nto ndilapha ndixhasa iNkampu yoXolo yaseRammstein,
kwaye ndiyavuya kuba abantu abaninzi kangaka bephendule isimemo.

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Kutheni ulapha namhlanje?

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Kutheni ikampu yoxolo ibalulekile?

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Molo

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Ngoko ke mhlawumbi kusekho uxolo apha.

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Kodwa ke, hayi kuyo yonke indawo.

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Okwesibini, izinto nazo apha ziza kuphelelwa
luxolo kungekudala ukuba oosopolitiki

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bayaqhubeka noko kubonakala ngathi bakucwangcisile.

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Kwaye ngobukho bam apha ndingathanda ukubonisa ukuba
ayinguye wonke umntu ongaboniyo nje koko sixelelwayo.

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Kuhle kakhulu. Enkosi ngokuba lapha.

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Namhlanje, izithethi ezaziwayo ziza
kunyuka eqongeni zize zithethe ngoxolo.

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Intatheli uChristiane Reimann, isazi
ngezakwalizwi, umhlalutyi wengqondo nombhali uEugen

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Drewermann, kunye nembali nophando lwexolo uDaniele Ganser.

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Enkosi kakhulu ngokuba lapha nangokuphuma ngobuninzi obungaka.

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Ndivuyiswe kakhulu yiloo nto.

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Kwaye ndingakuqinisekisa ukuba ngokwezibalo, wena umele uninzi.

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Kukho uphando olutsha, oluphelele ilizwe.

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Oku kubonisa ukuba kungekuphela eJamani, kungekuphela
eFransi, kungekuphela eBritani enkulu, kodwa nakwii-United

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States, uninzi luyachasa imfazwe echasene neRashiya.

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IRammstein yeyona ntsinga mkhulu yomkhosi
waseUnited States engaphandle komhlaba wayo.

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Ukusuka apha, uhlaselo lweedrone lwenziwa
kwaye lulungelelaniswe kwihlabathi jikelele.

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Akukho mthethweni. Ngokuthanda kwakhe. Ngesiquphe.

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Ngokuvuma kweRiphabliki yeFederal, ethi ayazi nto ngeenkcukacha.

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Siyayazi le nto kwaye asisafuni ukuba ihlale injalo.

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Umyalezo ucacile.

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Nkosazana Baerbock, kufuneka
sothethathethane endaweni yokuzama ukonakalisa iRashiya.

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Kufuneka sibone uloyiko lwethu emehlweni abanye.

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Siye saba ngababulali.

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Mnu Pistorius, ungafunda ngaloo nto kwimyuziyam yakho.

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Ngamava phakathi kuka-1914 no-1918.

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Ngaba ngenene ukholelwa ukuba oku kuphucukile?

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Njengesiqhelo, iMfazwe yesiBini
yeHlabathi ibiyingumqhubelo nje wale yokuQala.

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Kwaye le nto sinayo ngoku imbi
kakhulu kunoMlo weSibini weHlabathi uphela.

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Kwanazo neebhombu ze-athom
eHiroshima naseNagasaki bezingonelanga.

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I-Amerika idinga iibhombu zehayidrojeni.

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I-Amerika ayikabi neebhomu ze-neutron ezaneleyo.

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Ukubulala kufuneka kuhlale kunokwanda.

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Kwaye ngoku mhlawumbi eyona imbi kakhulu kuzo zonke.

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Sidinga abantu abathatha inxaxheba.

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Kulindeleke ukuba amantombazana aneminyaka
eli-16 kunye nabantu abaneminyaka eli-18

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balungele ukufunda ukubulala abantu xa beyalelwe.

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Oku kwenzeka kuyo yonke i-barracks yard ehlabathini.

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Yiyo loo nto ndithetha ngokuxolelana ndichasa imfazwe.

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Asikokwizizathu zopolitiko kuphela, ezoqoqosho okanye ezinye.

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Kodwa ngokomgaqo.

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Imfazwe yintswela-buntu
njengomthombo wako konke ukungabi namfezeko.

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Indoda ethebeni lokusebenzela.

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Xa ubuya, mxelele azobe iigrade zezandla neembiza
zekhanyane endaweni yeembiza zokupheka nemibhobho yamanzi.

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Indoda ethe lele, yithi hayi.

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Umama eJamani.

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Umama e-Ukraine.

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Xa ubuya umxelele ukuba kufuneka ube nabantwana.

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Amantombazana ezibhedlele.

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Amakhwenkwe emigodini yemfazwe.

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Umama eJamani.

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Umama e-Ukraine uthi hayi.

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Indoda elebhu

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Xa beza kuwe besithi kufuneka uqame ukufa okutsha kobomi obudala.

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Indoda elebhu ithi hayi.

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Nommfundisi esesibhakabhakeni.

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Kuye andimvi nelizwi kwezi
ntsuku, nokuba ngumvumo kaPopu Francis.

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Indoda esesibhengezweni

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Xa bebuya bekutsho ukuba uqonde
ukulungeleka kwemfazwe uze usikelele izixhobo.

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Mfo ophezu kwepulpiti, yithi hayi.

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Kuba ukuba awuthi hayi, yonke into iza kubuya
kwaye ibe mandundu ngaphezu kokuba yayikhe yaba njalo.

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Enkosi ngokuba lapha.

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U-Viola Amherd no-Ignazio Cassis ngoku
baququzelele inkomfa yoxolo ngoJuni.

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Uyazi ngemfazwe yase-Ukraine, kwaye abazange bamemele amaRashiya.

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Ngoko ke, olu lolunye uphawu, ukuba ngamanye
amaxesha uyazibuza ukuba siphila kwixesha lokudideka.

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Ngoko ke impendulo icace gca: ewe

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Kufana nokuba kunengxabano yomtshato uze uthi, ewe, ndingumntu
onamava, ndingakunceda, kodwa ndiza kumema umfazi kuphela.

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Emva koko siza kuyilungisa.

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Akunakwenzeka, wonke umntu uyayazi loo nto.

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Kwaye yile nto kanye esisandul' ukuyifumana eSwitzerland.

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Kwaye eneneni, uhlalutyo lukhombisa ukuba ungatsho
ukuba amaMelika aphule umthetho weZizwe eziManyeneyo

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owalela ukusetyenziswa kwamandla kuba bawususe urhulumente.

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Akufuneki wenze loo nto.

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Oku kukwaphulwa ngokucacileyo
kwesilumkiso se-UN sokwalela ubundlobongela.

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Kwaye amaRashiya awaphula umthetho owalela ubundlobongela kuba
ahlasela ngo-1922. Ngoku xa uthatha iminyaka ka-1914 no-1922

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kunye, uthi ke, iJamani ibinokuhlala nje ingathathi cala.

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Ungahlala ungathathi cala uze uthi, zikho
iintlanga ezimbini ezahlukeneyo apha, siza kulungisa.

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Kwaye elinye ithuba lalo ibiya
kuba kukuba singahlukana namaMelika.

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Kodwa oko kungathetha ukuba iJamani kufuneka iphume kwi-NATO.

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Ndingathanda ukuphetha ngokuthi oku.

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Xa uqonda ukuba asiyonto bubulumko ukulwa namaMelika
ngalo lonke ixesha, yonke into iyangena endaweni yayo.

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Ke akutsho ukuba kunzima kangako.

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Akukho nzima kangako.

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Endaweni yoko, umntu uthi nje,
kulungile, amaMelika sele elibhabhile iVietnam.

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Bawususe ulawulo e-Iran.

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Bawususe ulawulo lukarhulumente eGuatemala.

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Bawususe ulawulo lwezopolitiko eChile.

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Bayibhabhathisile iLibya, ewe.

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Bazibaxile unyulo e-Itali.

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Ngo-1948, wawungekazalwa.

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Kodwa ke yaqhubeka nje.

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Luludwe lwemfazwe olude kakhulu
abantu baseMelika abaye balwa nalo.

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Kwaye ngokobuchule, eyona nkxalabo yam apha eJamani kukwazisa
abantu ukuba kukho abantu abamangalisayo eUnited States.

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Nabo bayinxalenye yosapho lwabantu.

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NjengamaRashiya namaYukreyini namaPalestina namaSirayeli.

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Kodwa kufuneka wazi nokuba ikhona iqela elincinci
kakhulu e-US elinogonyamelo olugqithisileyo. Olugqithisileyo.

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Kwaye akufanelanga umntu abalandele ngobumfama.

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Mnu Ganser, ixesha elide, isaci eJamani nakwezopolitiko
besisithi imfazwe akufuneki iphinde ivele eJamani.

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Ngokwezibhengezo zakutshanje ezenziwe ngabaphathi-zopolitiko
baseJamani, ulibona njani eli gama elidumileyo?

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Ewe, ndixhalabile.

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Ndicinga ukuba isaci sisachanekile.

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Imfazwe mayingaphindi ivela eJamani.

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Kwaye ukuba ngoku uthi, ewe, hayi, siza kunika
i-Ukraine izixhobo kwaye i-Ukraine ivumelekile

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ukuba ibhombise iRashiya ngezi zixhobo, ke kulungile.

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Ndifumanisa ukuba iingxelo ezinjalo azichanekanga.

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Ndingakufumana kuluncedo kakhulu okanye kufanelekile
ukuba iJamani ibingathi, hayi, sifuna ukusebenzela uxolo.

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Sifuna ukusebenzela ukuba ama-Ukrainian namaRashiya ahlale
phantsi etafileni yothethathethwano aze ayeke ukubulalana.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba ngokwenene
indima yaseJamani kufanele ibe yileyo.

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Hayi ukuqalisa imfazwe, kwaye ngaphezu kwako konke hayi imfazwe –
ewe, yileyo ingxelo yaseTaurus esiyivileyo,

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apho amagosa oMkhosi waseJamani, uMkhosi
woMoya, athe nathi singayibhabholisa iRashiya.

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Leyo yindlela engalunganga kwaphela.

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Oko kuyandixhalabisa.

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Kwaye nam ndikholelwa ukuba uninzi lwabemi
baseJamani ngokuqinisekileyo alukufuni oko.

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Uthe wathini?

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Inene, zithini ezithi ziiopolitiki zaseJamani apha eRammstein?

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Uthini ngeNATO?

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Ingaba unendawo yokusebenzisa kwaphela?

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Kulungile, kuxhomekeke ekubeni uyijonga njani.

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Ngokusesikweni, iJamani lilizwe elizimeleyo.

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Kwaye ukuba lilizwe elizimeleyo, ngoko
oosopolitiki baseJamani bangaphuma kwi-NATO baze bathi

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asisafuni kuba yinxalenye yale manyano yomkhosi.

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Oosopolitiki baseJamani, abanjengoTshansela u-Olaf Scholz,
bangacinezela ke ukuze kufunyanwe ingcaciso

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ngohlaselo lobunqolobi kwimibhobho yeNord Stream
ngomhla wama-26 kaJulayi nowama-27 kaSeptemba 2022.

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Kodwa ukuba uqwalasela nzulu, kufuneka ubone,
kwaye kambe kubuhlungu ukubona, ukuba u-Olaf

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Scholz akakhuthazi uphando ngolu hlaselo lobunqolobi.

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Kwaye eneneni, ndingathanda ukuba oku kucaciswe,
kuba ibisisihlaselo esikhulu sobunqolobi

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esikwabangele umonakalo omkhulu kuqoqosho lwaseJamani.

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Kwaye apha sele umntu evakalelwa
ngathi ubukhosi baseJamani buyathintelwa.

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Kwaye yiyo loo nto ndithi onke amajoni
aseMelika kufuneka eneneni arhoxe eJamani.

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Kukho amashumi amathathu anesibhozo amawaka ngoku.

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Kwaye isiseko somkhosi womoya
saseRammstein kuya kufuneka sivaliwe.

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Sikumgama wemitha ezimbalwa ukusuka kwisiseko somkhosi womoya.

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Nangona leyo iyimeko yam ngoku,
ndiyazi ukuba ayizukwenzeka ngomso.

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Kodwa ndikholelwa ukuba kunexabiso xa abantu abaninzi
ngakumbi bethatha isibindi sokuvakalisa le meko esidlangalaleni.

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Ngamanye amazwi, akufanelanga
silindele lukhulu kwezopolitiko okwangoku.

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Kufuneka sithathe amanyathelo ngokwethu.

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Kufuneka sizivuse, masithi, kwaye
sidlulise umnqweno wethu, intando yethu, masithi.

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Ewe, ndicinga ukuba uluntu kufuneka
luzigqibelele ngokwalo malunga noko lufunayo.

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Ngoko ke, kukho icandelo labemi baseJamani
abacinga ukuba abantu baseMelika ngabahlobo

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bethu abalungileyo kwaye banethamsanqa kuthi.

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Kodwa ke ndingaphandla ngokwenene
ngohlaselo lobunqolobi kwimibhobho yeNord Stream.

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Ukuba ke uze ufikelele kwisigqibo sokuba, kulungile,
amaMelika anenzuzo ezahlukileyo kancinci kwezethu,

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kufuneka ucinge ngendlela esinokuzimela ngayo iinzuzo zethu.

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Kuba kungakunceda ngokwenene iJamani
ukungenisa igesi yendalo engabizi kakhulu evela

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eRashiya kwaye ibe noqoqosho oluxhakaxhayo.

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Kodwa ngoku sinemeko apho iJamani ikwingozi yokuba ngokukhawuleza
izibandakanye ngakumbi nangakumbi kwimfazwe ne-Ukraine.

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kuba amajoni ase-Ukraine ayeqeqeshwa
kwiziseko zomkhosi waseMelika eJamani.

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Kwaye xa sijonga imbali, kucacile ukuba amaMelika
atyhalele iJamani emfazweni xa ahlasela iSerbia

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ngo-1999, e-Afghanistan ngo-2001, naseSyria ngo-2015.

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Ndingathi nje la ngamazwe
amancinci: iSerbia, iAfghanistan neSyria.

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IRashiya yimeko eyahluke ngokupheleleyo.

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Kwaye lelo liya kuba lixesha ekufuneka sivuke sithi, makhe
kungaphindi kubekho mfazwe, nkqu nemfazwe neRashiya asiyifuni.

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Uhlala uthetha ngosapho lwabantu, umfanekiso omhle.

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Umbono wakho sisombululo sini?

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Singenza ntoni thina njengabantu?

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Ngoko ke, ngokubiza "usapho lwabantu," ndithetha ukuba
ama-Ukrainian nama-Russian, ama-American nama-German,

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ama-Serb nama-Afghan onke angamalungu osapho lwabantu.

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Kuba ipropaganda yemfazwe isoloko ibonisa iqela elinye njengelibi
ize ithi ukuba singababulala abantu ababi, siya kuphila ngcono.

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Kusoloko kuthiwa kunjalo.

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Kwaye oko kuye kuhlala kunjalo ngalo lonke ixesha kwimbali.

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Ngoko ke ndiye ndaqonda nje ukuba yayiyintsila endala kakhulu.

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Kwaye into endifuna ukuyibonisa ngenene ngeli gama 'losapho
lwabantu' yeyokuba akufanelanga ubulale mntu kwaphela nokuba

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yonke le propaganda malunga nokuba kubahlali nje abangabanqolobi
base-Afghanistan kunye namaRashiya okuba azalwe engendawo

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Yipropaganda nje yemfazwe yonke, ukuze uyityeshele uze
uthi, hayi, kukho abantu abamangalisayo abahlala e-Afghanistan,

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Kukho abantu abamangalisayo abahlala
eRashiya, abantu abamangalisayo abahlala

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e-Ukraine, abantu abamangalisayo abahlala eJamani.

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Ukuze ungazivumeli ukuba wahlulwe.

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Kuba ipropaganda yemfazwe inokubangela umonakalo omkhulu
ezintliziyweni nasezingqondweni zabantu xa beqala ngequbuliso

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ukucinga ukuba esi sizwe okanye salo sizwe sibi ngokungundoqo.

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Loo nto ibisoloko iyinyani.

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Ewe, kwaye ekugqibeleni baphuncuka noloyiko lwabo ngomnye umntu.

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Mnu Ganser, enkosi kakhulu ngolu dliwano-ndlebe lufutshane.

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Uthe uthando, inyaniso nobukroti.

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Kwaye ndikunqwenelela wena ebomini bakho
ukuba uzasasaza ezi zinto zintathu kude kakhulu.

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Kulungile, enkosi.

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Ube nosuku oluhle.

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Kuyafika kungekudala, ungaphoswa

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Umboniso-nyani we-NATO

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Uxolo eYurophu – ingaba i-NATO iyafuneka?

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Uphando olusekelwe buqiniso lutyhila ubugrogrisi
bempi bwe-NATO kunye namaqhinga ayo okuphambanisa.

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Umhla wokusasazwa: uMgqibelo, 6
Julayi 2024, ngo-7:45 p.m. kwi-kla-tv.