In emergency medicine, the first thing you learn is that if there's a mass casualty incident somewhere or something similar,
you don't go into the situation and call for help, we're all going to die, we don't have enough
ambulances, we can't look after you and you don't do that.
So it was clear that there would be deaths from vaccines and at that moment they should have stopped.
I believe we will all die, but not from corona and not from Disease X, nothing will change, but we need more people who,
when in doubt, simply stand in the storm and remain standing so that all of humanity can see God in themselves at some point.
Moderator: Yes, welcome to Kla. TV.
After the corona pandemic, when quite a lot of measures were taken, quite a lot of decisions were made, including by
politicians, where one or two people scratched their heads and asked themselves, can
this still be normal, does it all make sense?
More and more people are talking about the plandemic with the emphasis on the L. And at that time there were
also some experts, and one of the doctors from the very beginning, who also stood up there,
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann is the one who dared to simply form a dissenting voice, who got to the heart of the
matter very, very well from a professional point of view.
And he is our guest here today in the Kla.TV interview.
A very warm welcome, dear Bodo.
Bodo: Yes, dear Mathias. Thank you very much for the invitation.
I am delighted to be with Kla.TV.
Moderator: Yes, we've already had the chance to get to know each other recently. It was
very nice to be your guest on the channel.
And you really are a very interesting person, especially as you were also very successful as a doctor before corona.
You had a practice together with your wife, as far as I know.
And tell me, how did it come about that at some point you said, I'm giving up, I'm raising my voice for a somewhat
unconventional opinion, which was simply not so widespread among doctors at the time, especially when Corona started.
Bodo: Well, first of all, none of us did. And I think I'm speaking on behalf of everyone who opened their
mouths, that any of us expected that we would have to give up something for what we were saying.
I was completely unaware that we would be facing a headwind. And I have to say, I didn't expect it.
I am a specialist in ear, nose and throat medicine.
I specialized in diseases of the vestibular system, dizziness.
That was the funny thing, with my first videos I was always told that they came from the Sinsheim outpatient dizziness clinic.
And many people thought it was a joke, that they wanted to uncover some kind of dizziness in this outpatient clinic.
But that was not the intention.
And my wife is also an ear, nose and throat doctor and trauma therapist.
And I'm also an emergency medicine doctor.
And I come from emergency medicine. And in emergency medicine, the first thing you learn is that if there's a mass casualty
incident somewhere or something similar, you don't go into the situation and shout "Help, we're all going to die!", "We
don't have enough ambulances!", "We can't look after you!".
You don't do that.
In other words, at first I thought to myself that what the press is doing here is irresponsible.
And because, as you said, I had quite a big reputation, I was the dizziness expert on the Apotheken-Umschau,
I had been on SWR or other TV programs, people knew me,
I already had a YouTube channel,
I thought to myself, okay, I have to try to use my expertise as a specialist in colds - that's all you are as an ENT specialist
- and as an emergency physician to say, people, calm down.
And I ended the first video I made on March 14, 2020, with the words: "I think we're
all going to die, but not from coronavirus!"
That was the end.
So it was another look at Corona, that was the idea, this time without panic.
And I was really convinced, because I also had very prominent patients and also politicians and athletes and the like.
And I thought one of them was in contact with Merkel.
And Merkel is a quantum physicist, she will understand that.
And I would then simply tell her to watch out, the figures here are being misinterpreted.
And you have to tell her that and you have to say that this Christian Drosten has made a misjudgement here.
Blow that off, you're going in the wrong direction here.
That was actually all.
Yes, and that's all I wanted to do.
I thought I'd make a video, some of my customers, patients take the thing, drag it to
Merkel or whoever and say, here, look, there's one.
That's my ENT doctor, he helped me. He's also an emergency doctor, he knows what he's
talking about and he sees things differently.
Not a chance.
Moderator: No chance, yes.
Yes, very interesting.
Bodo: And that you would end up losing your career as a result or suddenly be declared a Nazi or whatever,
neither I nor my wife or anyone else was aware of that.
But then at some point you realize or you think that your work is important to save lives, to get people
out of fear, to educate people that this is not so bad,
so to take on the task that I would have expected from the real media, only temporarily of course.
I always thought, well, okay, I didn't want to make another video, I'll make another one.
And at some point it became one more and one more and one more.
And yes, that's where we are today.
Moderator: Here we are today.
Yes, very interesting.
You were already pretty active during the plandemic.
You were out on the streets, at demonstrations, simply didn't mince your words and simply said
various things that others may not have dared to say.
How does it feel now, after this time, when things are no longer running so actively, to receive some confirmation
from the RKI protocols that have now been published?
You've been very, very busy with it now.
I'm following this very closely via your channel.
You really took them apart.
Somewhere along the line, we at Kla.TV also see it as our job to document the things that have happened
so that they can be properly processed at some point.
And you have made a very valuable contribution here.
Tell us, what did you get out of it?
What are the main points from these RKI protocols?
Where did you say the most, that doesn't even exist?
How blatant is that?
Bodo: The RKI protocols were an opportunity for me to reflect on the time.
A lot of time has passed since 2020, March, when I started
and in some cases it was no longer possible for me to put this into a temporal relationship.
So according to the motto, when did I say what and when, what did the politicians say and what did they do?
As I had always prepared a PowerPoint presentation for the first videos and I still had these presentations,
I was able to compare them very well in terms of time.
So I was able to take the RKI files and I was able to take what I said, i.e. the information I got myself from the Internet.
And for me, of course, it was a confirmation.
Because if you go out in public and open your mouth wide and do everything I do, then of
course you also run the risk of making a mistake.
And to see in retrospect that the actual experts at the Robert Koch Institute, and by that I expressly do not mean
Lars Schade and not Mr. Wieler, but I mean the people who sat on this expert commission in the background.
And when I see that they have in fact come to the same conclusions as Wolfgang Wodarg, Sucharit Bhakdi, Klaus Köhnlein
or myself - we were the first four - then on the one hand it is a confirmation that you say, okay, at least I didn't
do this here for nothing, and there were even more people.
Politicians just didn't want to hear it.
And that's where we come to what you've been saying all along.
I already said at the end of March that I don't think this is about a virus, it's about politics.
So I was so quick in my videos that I said, I mean, it was on March 20, that I said, something stinks to high heaven here.
I have learned in my family that whenever the press only reports in one direction, censorship is taking place somewhere
and that this is very suspicious for totalitarian regimes.
And that's why I think I was the first to warn that what was happening here could slowly
take on totalitarian traits and I saw this alarm.
I come from a family, my grandfather lived through two wars.
I had very close contact with him and the First and Second World Wars were a topic in our house and we always had the cellar full
of things, were prepared for the black market and other things.
My parents were preppers from their experience of the war, so I was sensitized a little earlier to what was really going on, yes.
Moderator: Yes, very interesting.
And you were just talking about March. So you mean March 2020, right?
Bodo: My first video was on March 14, 2020 and until the 20th, I have to say, I was aware
that it was a plandemic and not a pandemic.
Moderator: Yes, very blatant.
To come back to the RKI protocols in more detail.
You have now also processed the protocols or what you have uncovered in a book, or clearly documented them.
What surprised you the most during all this research or now through the redacted passages? Or what were the
most glaring points for you, where you would now say that was a highlight for me personally?
Bodo: I've seen, so I don't really blame the expert panel from the RKI, because they did what they could do.
If they had spoken out louder or walked out in protest, they would have been replaced by people who didn't document it so well.
If we look at the protocols from Switzerland or Austria or from other crisis meetings, they are
by no means as critical as those from the RKI.
These employees did what you do at Kla.TV, they documented.
You have given a very detailed account of who said what and when, and you have also made it
very clear that you see the situation differently.
One example was on March 25, when they said that the epi curve was flattening, this alleged R value.
It already flattened out on March 25, 2020, but this should not be communicated to the outside world.
Then on April 1 they asked, is it really all that bad?
And that continued. They realized that we had enough free beds after April 9.
The main argument has always been that the healthcare system would collapse, that we don't have enough free beds.
And the RKI has said that we have enough free beds.
Even in worst-case scenarios, we could help people from other countries and take on their patients.
This is what the Expert Council has proposed.
The Expert Council already knew on April 27 that there was background immunity and that
probably 40% of all people would have been immune.
And so one story follows another.
As you said in the Commission on April 29, there is no overloading of the healthcare system even in worst-case scenarios.
It should have been over.
And that's the same thing I tried to do.
They were upset that people were counted as dead who had no contact with it at all.
So all of these things that we, as the educationalists and freelance journalists, have criticized, the RKI has also
communicated, criticized, proven and documented internally.
Moderator: Yes, and these are the points that have come out as a result of the redaction.
But how could it happen, Bodo, that even though they documented it and said that the bed capacity was there or
whatever, all these points that were documented, that these measures were then taken so drastically?
What happened there? Where have these recommendations been acted against?
Bodo: It says it several times, even verbatim.
So you can download these protocols.
You can simply take them into a PDF reader and search for them.
And then you will see that it has been said several times that it is the political wish that the
decision-makers want something and other things.
So political wishes were specified and these had to be implemented.
The RKI had actually, and I think that was also clear to some employees over the course of time, at least
I interpret their reactions in such a way that they are only being used as an alibi here.
And that's why they documented it so well, because they didn't want to be used as an alibi in the end.
Some of them have even said that we want this to be communicated to the outside world, that we don't agree with it.
For example, they said exactly that in connection with masks.
And if you're in the same situation as them, they were just one of many advisory bodies,
but it is clear that the decisions were political.
The political desire for testing, it says on June 29, 2020.
We always talk about the beginning.
People are really looking, where can we get more cases?
How can we do that?
All due to pressure from politicians.
And that is blatant.
Some of the names are even listed here. Where the politicians said that this first incidence value, which
was then used in the end for curfews and things like that, was an invention by politicians.
It's unbelievable.
These 5-kilometer circles in which you can't move are political models.
They have been rejected.
Waste water tests have been rejected.
All these things have been completely rejected.
Even, that's the funniest thing about it, I think, the testing at airports. The temperature checks they did there.
The RKI has said it doesn't matter.
That doesn't help.
Moderator: That's what it says, yes?
Bodo: That's what it says, word for word.
Moderator: Yes, unbelievable.
But that also means, or rather the question is, does it also say anything about vaccines?
Because they also came out at some point.
And it also meant that you were either vaccinated or you died, roughly summarized. Vaccinated, recovered or died.
I think that was a bit of a slogan.
Was a position taken on this in these minutes?
Bodo: This is one of the scandals that has become very clear here.
So it was clear that there would be deaths from vaccines.
And at that moment they should have stopped, because it was contrary to how the RKI
itself assessed the danger of the disease.
They knew that there had been massive side effects.
In some cases, 1600 cases of side effects were reported to the Paul Ehrlich Institute in one day.
And yet they kept going.
It was clear that there was no experience at all with mRNA vaccines and that this was a completely new field.
And here a field experiment was carried out on people which, in my view, cannot be legally justified by anything.
And I personally also blame the doctors for a large part of this.
Because when you inject people with an unknown substance, it's a real physical intervention.
And the doctor injected a substance into millions of people and got a lot of money for it without having a package insert.
They were empty accessory packs.
You really have to let that melt in your mouth.
Blank package inserts.
The doctor explains to a patient what he is obliged to do, even if he were acting in an official capacity, which he cannot do.
A doctor cannot work in a sovereign capacity unless he is in the armed forces or the police.
Otherwise it is not possible, because a doctor is a liberal profession.
And according to the professional code of conduct, doctors may not accept instructions from non-doctors.
He is not allowed to do that.
And he is obliged under the Nuremberg Code, under the Helsinki Code, under the medical code of conduct to inform people.
And also about possible risks.
Pfizer was aware of the risks and told the governments so in order to obtain emergency approval.
But it was not released to the doctors, they were kept under lock and key
and then had to be cleared through the Freedom of Information Act.
And they are only released step by step.
And we know from these protocols that the doctors here injected something without having any idea what they were injecting.
What scientific basis did they have?
They had none!
You had politicians who said this is effective and efficient and safe and protects against whatever.
And none of that was true.
They were lies.
That is blatant.
So the doctors, and especially when I think about the mask now, there are also people who do occupational medicine.
So every company has the obligation to have occupational physicians, larger companies.
There are people who earn their money by looking at whether someone is suitable for wearing masks or not, for example.
They should have stormed, but they didn't!
And all these points emerge from the RKI files.
In other words, you can see in the RKI files how often and how stoically the RKI has said, no, the masks are a stupid idea.
They even demanded that masks should only be issued by doctors on prescription and that the doctor should examine the
patient to see whether they are suitable to wear an FFP2 mask.
And then someone like Mr. Söder comes along and says that FFP2 masks are compulsory here from now on.
Although it was clear that the FFP2 masks, if there was any protection at all, helped less than the surgical masks.
That was political
... There was someone who always said it was a slave mask.
That was it.
That was the visible sign of obedience among the population.
That was this mask.
And this is clear from the minutes.
But the RKI, as Mr. Wieler said again, and he is right, has never had an executive function.
Moderator: Yes, very interesting.
Bodo: And these protocols were of course passed on to everyone who was listed in these protocols, such as Jens Spahn.
So of course the information was available.
And of course the Bundeswehr got the information.
And the Chancellery and the Federal Ministry of Health got it, of course.
In other words, the government experts were listened to, because the RKI is not a free organization, it
is a government agency, and they were not listened to.
Instead, something was pulled off that we are now of course ... So for people who have understood
it, the whole thing is not difficult to explain.
The viewers of Kla.TV are also generally well aware that this vaccination was not invented for a virus, but the virus was
invented for a vaccination that was already there, said Reiner Füllmich, who is a political prisoner in a German prison.
Moderator: Yes, it's really crass.
That's why I find it so impressive that people like you, even from a medical background or as a doctor in a very practical way,
I have this picture from Wikipedia in mind where you're standing there without a mask in front of a bunch of police officers
and all completely masked, even with FFP2 and protective masks,
So it takes a certain amount of courage to say, okay, I'm a doctor and I'm going to question what's being said here,
politically, you've said political a lot now, but I think also medial, can that be?
It wasn't as if the mass media did a lot of investigative research. They could have knocked on the
door of the RKI and asked, hey, what's the situation?
How do you recommend this? What is the phase here now?
But everything was actually driven completely in one direction, simply because people realized that there was no possibility of
contradiction in public broadcasting or even from the professional side, from the doctors, who were also so mainstream believers.
Bodo: We founded a party during the lockdown because the Political Parties Act takes
precedence over the Infection Protection Act and
We tried this way so that we could meet and the like.
That was actually the basic intention of Resistance 2020.
And then a television crew came to our practice to interview Ralf Ludwig and me.
And then someone called us and said, he's from the team, from this team, there are four people coming.
The only person you can trust is the cameraman.
Everyone else has the job of portraying you as Nazis.
They will set traps for you.
Please set up a camera and insist that you record the entire video.
And that's what we did.
And we recorded this video and the real show was never broadcast.
That was one example.
Then a leading French TV station came to see me and interviewed me on the subject.
And then at the end he said to me, they told me to interview you because you're crazy.
But you're not crazy, you're right.
This program was not broadcast either.
He met me again in Berlin on August 1st and said, "Now I'm on your side.
I left the station.
But that's the kind of story you're talking about with the media.
We received an internal letter from rbb. And in this letter it literally said, I had the letter,
there will be no relativizing reporting on Corona.
So a high-level instruction to all reporters and journalists, there will be no relativizing reporting on Corona.
There was censorship from the outset.
There was a clear direction of travel.
And as I said, we can see from the protocols that the whole thing was never scientifically sound.
At no time was this covered.
In other words, exactly what we as enlighteners have also extracted from numbers.
We have only used official figures.
We have taken the figures from the RKI.
We took the numbers from Johns Hopkins and analyzed all this stuff.
I have always analyzed this stoically in my show every day.
And what the government said was in stark contrast to what you could see from the figures.
Moderator: Yes, so it's really amazing to imagine how something like what you're describing with the media is possible.
I mean, we've seen this time and again somewhere, that this dissenting voice or other opinions are not allowed.
Experts, former experts, highly respected scientists or even financial experts are
suddenly being portrayed as absolute idiots.
Nazis, as you mentioned earlier, then come the clubs, the drawers, to silence them.
Let me ask you directly, how do you assess how something like this could be possible?
Where do the threads come together?
Because it really is a hopeless mess. Or, on the other hand, relatively well managed,
when the mass media have actually managed to suppress every report that brings just one dissenting voice, or to take
politics by the hand in such a way that everyone plays along.
That's really crazy.
Bodo: You have to know that I was mainstream until 2020.
I didn't know any of this.
That was in no way even ... Yes, so everything I'm telling you today was also gibberish to me and I didn't suspect it.
You have to understand that we actually have politicians who decide nothing.
And there is a very good recording by Horst Seehofer where he said that those who are elected have
nothing to decide and those who decide were not elected.
He was Minister of Health then.
That's a statement that comes straight from the mouth of someone who was a federal minister, who actually went into
this ... probably with good vigor and the best of intentions and thought, I'll change something now,
and had to realize that he couldn't do that.
This means that we actually have a shadow government - and one that is obviously global.
And as soon as a politician is in office, someone comes to him with a smart suit and offers him various alternatives.
Yes, that can look like this, for example, that he then says, yes, maybe you know John F. Kennedy now.
At some point, he also stopped playing along.
Do you know how we did that back then?
So, yes.
Or Mr. Ohoven or Mr. Barschel or something like that.
In other words, you really have to imagine it so blatantly.
The people who come into government may actually in most cases, not all, but some, go in with a good approach
and then someone comes along and tells them, it's nice that you think that's how it works, but in reality, my friend, it's
not a democracy, but we pay Mr. S. so and so much money, Mrs. B. so and so much money and Mr. H. so and so much money
and they do what we want because we have some interesting videos from them.
And, Bodo, while we're talking about videos, do you remember this party?
Period, period, period.
In other words, you create dependencies and over time it became something like the World Economic Forum, where they
trained their own elites and then simply installed them.
I think we are seeing the best example right now with Ms. von der Leyen.
Yes, everyone is actually against her continuing to form the EU's supreme governing body, which can order something with a
text message for billions, unthinkable, completely undemocratic.
She should normally be in the deepest dungeon, but instead she's back as EU president and that's exactly how it works.
In other words, you can see that puppets are being trained here and then distributed in the parliaments, so that a Klaus Schwab
then sits down and says that he is infiltrating the parliaments
and that a large proportion of the parliaments were already Young Global Leaders with him.
That is brainwashing.
In other words, these people are put in this position and you naturally have advantages that no one else has.
Let's imagine we have a fictitious European Championship in Germany right now
and then you have a soccer match, let's say, in Frankfurt
and then you have a night flight ban in Frankfurt
and then you would be a fictitious foreign minister who can get on a fictitious plane, despite night
flight bans, and let yourself be driven to Luxembourg.
You could have done it by car, it's not that far.
So while the footballers on the pitch are not allowed to do that in this fictitious European
Championship, a fictitious foreign minister is.
And to enjoy such advantages that you simply have a private jet the size of a Boeing for yourself, so not even some dinky
thing that Bill Gates flies, but you fly on a government plane.
You never want to get rid of a position like that again.
If you can then have yourself prettied up again during the flight for your 137,000 euro make-up artist, who of
course has to be paid the night surcharges, so that you look good again in Luxembourg.
That is not correct.
As long as we give politicians such extras as not having to stand in traffic jams and being allowed to take off in a jumbo
jet during night flight bans, this will continue to happen.
Because if you're in this position and maybe you haven't even finished school, but unfortunately you're the
chairman of some party, then you never want to get rid of it.
And after you've lasted one legislative term, you get more pension than someone who has worked their whole life.
This is not right and as long as politicians enjoy such benefits, we will not change anything.
Moderator: Yes, thank you. So that's yes, that's a design. That gives an overall picture.
All fictitious, of course, including the Foreign Minister.
I don't think anyone knows exactly what you mean.
So if you take this elite as a starting point, I'll just call them people who have the privilege of making these
decisions, putting pressure on politicians and the media, and then, let's say, simply going through with their plans.
What do you think of the global WHO pandemic treaty? Is it off the table now?
Is there anything else to come?
Or will the whole thing possibly even go through the back door via nation states, so that we
all think, yay, somehow it won't happen after all?
What do you think will happen next?
Bodo: Unfortunately, politicians are not at all interested in what we do; instead, a script is being
played out here and this script is being played out,
and in case of doubt, you slip something in again or push through some law in the omnibus procedure, so that you now say in
addition to the wage increase for kindergarten employees that we are making vaccination compulsory
and have it ticked off all at once, so to speak.
Such things are actually prohibited, but during the pandemic, laws were constantly being
rushed through using the omnibus procedure.
That means you wouldn't even notice.
At some point it would be a fact and people wouldn't question it either, because then ARD, ZDF and the usual people would come
along and say, yes, that was the result of a referendum, they decided that in a kindergarten
group in Buxtehude and that's why it's like that now.
Moderator: Yes, interesting.
In other words, you mean that this plan will continue to be pursued.
We're now noticing that we're getting information from everywhere at the moment, such as Pandemic X or
Corona 2.0, there's so much coming in at the moment.
I mean, it's absolutely clear that once you've successfully played through a pandemic like this and it
hasn't been dealt with yet - that it has to continue somewhere, that's also absolutely clear.
The question is simply which way, how do you assess it, how does it come about?
Bodo: Well, what we are experiencing is the maximum version of divide and rule.
In other words, there are people here who have now opened up so many fronts that humanity has
been completely destroyed into individual camps.
There are some who believe in disease X, there are some who believe in bird flu, the next believes
in monkeypox, the next believes in no idea what.
Otherwise, that means that you take those who can't be caught up in the Ukraine conflict, Israel and other stories.
This means that you have now opened the maximum variant.
In other words, they have now pulled out all the stops they can to divide the population.
And I have to say, they succeeded.
So when I look at it, it's all people on the streets against people they haven't been on the streets against for four years.
So the special thing about lateral thinking and lateral thinkers and my demonstrations was
that we never had any counter-demonstrations.
People actually looked at it with interest, but then, as we've already said a few times, the Nazi club is
pulled out and then, the worst thing is, people believe it.
That's the bizarre thing,
So you can have run a practice somewhere where you were the token German because the rest were actually foreigners,
and yet someone comes along and suddenly says you're a Nazi.
Is sensational.
It hurts at first too, until you realize that the world works differently,
then you can deal with it all at once,
But what we see here is just total confusion,
and it doesn't matter what you're afraid of.
And you are welcome to enter our bubble now.
So if you're inside our bubble now, you're afraid of shedding, of space radiation, of I don't know what.
So there is just as much fear being stirred up within our bubble.
And that's why I say we'll have problems draining the swamp, because we're knee-deep in it ourselves.
Moderator: Yes. So this divide and rule principle, a very interesting point.
If we go towards the end, or rather the last question - which I would be very interested in - what would you give the
viewers in view of all these, I'll say, problems, crises and everything that has happened that is now coming our way.
What would that be, where you would say that would be my medical recommendation to pass it on.
What advice would you give viewers at this time?
Bodo: Well, first of all, I think we're all going to die.
Bodo: But not to Corona and not to Disease X.
So I'll add to that from my first video.
And then there's a wonderful song by someone called Mathias Family and Friends
and he has a song called "Stand up".
And what I would say to my viewers or your viewers is, stand up and raise your voice,
stand up and show your face!
And that would be something to realize, that it doesn't depend on Mathias Ebert or Kla.TV or Ivo Sasek and not on Bodo
Schiffmann, but on the people who are watching us at the moment.
Moderator: Very nice.
Bodo: As long as they do exactly the same thing to us as if we were Mr. Lanz or whoever and just consume us, nothing will change,
but we need more people who simply stand in the storm and stand still so that all of
humanity can see God in themselves at some point.
Moderator: I can only say amen to that!
Dear Bodo, that was a very nice closing.
I think it's a very nice message for the viewers, too, that you don't lose hope in the whole thing.
Whether inside or outside our bubble, somewhere there is hope that this bubble will be dissolved and that
humanity will simply return to an overall consciousness.
I think it's wonderful how you approach things, how you get to the point.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this interview.
I think that's where we're going, that's where we're going.
As I said, you have taken the RKI protocols apart, so we will definitely keep at it.
You don't put something like that in a program, it's impossible.
But thank you for really chewing them up as a doctor.
I say that even a simple citizen, like all of us, can understand somewhere what has actually happened.
And that's so important, I believe, that we can come to terms with it afterwards.
So thank you very much again, best wishes to you and I look forward to our next conversation.
Bodo: Thanks for the invitation, it was nice.
Moderator: Take care, Bodo!