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Kumayeza oongxamiseko, into yokuqala oyifundayo yeyokuba xa kukho
isiganeko sabantu abaninzi abonzakeleyo okanye into efanayo,

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awungeni kuloo meko uze ubize uncedo, usithi,
"Siza kufa sonke, asinawo oonqwelo-lwelo abaneleyo,

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asikwazi ukuninyanga," kuba ayiyiyo loo nto oyenzayo.

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Ngoko ke kwakucacile ukuba kuza kubakho ukusweleka okubangelwa
ziigonyo, kwaye ngelo xesha kwakufanele ukuba bayeke.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba sonke siza kufa, kodwa hayi ngenxa
ye-coronavirus okanye Isifo X; akukho nto iza kutshintsha ngaloo

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nto. Endaweni yoko, sidinga abantu abaninzi abaza, xa
besathandabuza, bame ngokuqinileyo baze bahlale bezinzile ukuze

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uluntu lonke ekugqibeleni lubone uThixo ngaphakathi kwabo.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, wamkelekile kwi-Kla. TV.

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Emva kobhubhane we-coronavirus, apho kwathathwa amanyathelo
amaninzi kwaye kwenziwa izigqibo ezininzi ngabezopolitiko, ezinye

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zazo zashiya abantu bezibuza besithi, "Ingaba oku kusengesiqhelo?
Ingaba kukho nantoni na enengqiqo kuko konke oku?"

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Yiyo kanye loo nto abantu abaninzi ngakumbi bebethetha
nge-plandemic, begxininisa u-L. Kwaye ngeli

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xesha, bekukho neengcali ezithile, kuquka enye
yeengqonyela zonyango zokuqala, ezaphakamisayo zathi,

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UGqr Bodo Schiffmann ngumntu othe waba nesibindi
sokuvakalisa uluvo olwahlukileyo kwaye, ngokwembono

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yobungcali, wazishwankathela kakuhle kakhulu izinto.

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Kwaye namhlanje, simamkele apha eKla.TV
njengesimenywa sethu ukuze senze udliwano-ndlebe naye.

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Wamkelekile kakhulu, Bodo othandekayo.

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Bodo: Ewe, Mathias othandekayo. Enkosi kakhulu ngesimemo.

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Ndonwabile kakhulu ukuba yinxalenye yeKla.TV.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, kutshanje sifumene ithuba lokwazana
kancinci. Bekumnandi kakhulu ukuba lundwendwe kwitshaneli yakho.

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Kwaye ungumntu onomdla kakhulu, ingakumbi
kuba ubuphumelele kakhulu njengengcali

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yezonyango naphambi kobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ngokokwazi kwam, ubuneshishini kunye nomfazi wakho.

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Kwaye ndixelele, kwenzeka njani ukuba ekugqibeleni wathi,
ndiyayeka le nto, ndiza kuthetha ndixhasa uluvo

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olungaxhaphakanga kangako, olwalungasasazekanga kakhulu
phakathi koogqirha ngelo xesha, ingakumbi xa kwaqala iCorona.

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Bodo: Kulungile, okokuqala, ibingekho namnye kuthi. Kwaye
ndicinga ukuba ndithetha egameni labo bonke abathe

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bathetha xa ndisithi akukho namnye kuthi owayelindele ukuba
kuya kufuneka asiyeke nantoni na ngenxa yoko sikuthethileyo.

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Bendingazi nokwazi ukuba siza kujongana nemiqobo.
Kwaye manditsho, andizange ndiyilindele loo nto.

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Ngoko ke ndingugqirha oyingcaphephe
kwezokunyanga iindlebe, impumlo nomqala.

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Ndiqeqeshelwe ukuphazamiseka
kwenkqubo ye-vestibular kunye ne-vertigo.

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Into ehlekisayo yayikukuba: iividiyo zam zokuqala
bezisoloko kuthiwa zivela kwikliniki ye-vertigo yaseSinsheim.

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Kwaye abantu abaninzi bacinga ukuba
yintlekisa, ukuba le kliniki yokudideka kwentloko izama

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ukutyhila uhlobo oluthile lokudideka kwentloko.

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Kodwa ibingeyiyo loo nto yayijongwe.

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Umfazi wam ukwangugqirha weendlebe, empumlo nomqala,
kwaye ungumnyangi woxinzelelo lwasemva kwesiganeko.

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Kwaye ndikwangugqirha wezimo ezingxamisekileyo.

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Kwaye ndisuka kumayeza oongxamiseko. Kwaye kumayeza oongxamiseko,
into yokuqala oyifundayo yeyokuba xa kukho isiganeko sabantu

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abaninzi abonzakeleyo okanye into efanayo, awungeni
kwimeko uze ukhwaze, "Ncedani, siza kufa sonke!",

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"Asinazo iinqwelo-lwelo ezaneleyo!", "Asinakukunyanga!".

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Awukwenzi oko.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba into endayicinga kuqala yeyokuba
le nto ayenzayo amaphephandaba apha ayinantlibelo.

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Kwaye, njengoko watshoyo, ndandinodumo olukhulu,
ndandingingumgqirha wobuqhetseba

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kwi-Apotheken-Umschau, ndandikhe ndavela kwi-SWR
nakwezinye iinkqubo zikamabonakude, abantu bandazile,

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Bendisele ndinayo icanali yeYouTube.

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Ngoko ke ndacinga ndizithethela, kulungile, kufuneka ndizame
ukusebenzisa ubuchule bam njengengcali yokubanda – nto leyo

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ekukuphela kwento oyiyo njengengcali
yezindlebe, impumlo nomqala – kwananjengengcali

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yezonyango olungxamisekileyo, ukusithi, bantu, zolani.

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Kwaye ndayivala ividiyo yokuqala endayenzayo
ngomhla we-14 Matshi 2020 ngala mazwi: "Ndicinga ukuba

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siza kufa sonke, kodwa hayi ngenxa ye-coronavirus!"

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Kwakuphelele apho.

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Ngoko yayiyimbono eyahlukileyo nge-coronavirus,
yayiyileyo ingcinga, ngeli xesha kungekho loyiko.

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Kwaye ndandikholelwe ngokwenene koku, kuba
nam ndandinazo izigulana ezaziwayo kakhulu,

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eziquka oosopolitiki, iimbaleki nabantu abanjalo.

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Ndaza ndacinga, omnye wabo umele ukuba unxibelelene noMerkel.

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Kwaye uMerkel yingcali yefiziksi
ye-quantum, uya kuyiqonda loo nto.

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Ndingamxelela nje, phulaphula, la manani aqondwa kakubi.

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Kwaye kufuneka umxelele loo nto, kwaye kufuneka uthi
uChristian Drosten wenze ingqikelelo engalunganga apha.

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Yiyeke, uhamba ngendlela engeyiyo apha.

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Enyanisweni, yiloo nto yonke.

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Ewe, kwaye yiloo nto kuphela endandifuna ukuyenza.

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Bendicinga ukuba ndenze ividiyo, omnye wabathengi bam
okanye izigulana zam ayithathe, ayibonise uMerkel

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okanye nabani na, aze athi, "Nantsi, khangela, ikhona enye."

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NguGqirha wam weendlebe, impumlo nomqala, wandinceda.
Ukwayigqirha wezimo ezingxamisekileyo, uyayazi into

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athetha ngayo kwaye ubona izinto ngendlela eyahlukileyo.

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Akukho thuba.

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Umlawuli: Akukho thuba, ewe.

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Ewe, kunomdla kakhulu.

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Bodo: Kwaye ukuba ekugqibeleni ubuya kulahlekelwa ngumsebenzi
wakho okanye ngequbuliso ubizwe ngokuba yiNazi okanye nantoni

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na, andizange ndazi mna, umfazi wam, okanye nabani na omnye.

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Kodwa ukuba ngaxa lithile uyaqonda okanye ucinga ukuba umsebenzi
wakho ubalulekile ekusindiseni ubomi

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babantu, ekuthomalaliseni uloyiko lwabo,
ekufundiseni abantu ukuba izinto azimbi kangako apha,

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Ngamanye amazwi, ukuthatha umthwalo ebendingalindele ukuba amajelo
eendaba okwenene bawenze, kodwa okwethutyana nje kuphela, ewe.

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Bendisithi mandithi, kulungile, andizange ndifune
ukwenza enye ividiyo, kodwa ndiza kwenza enye kwakhona.

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Kwaye ekugqibeleni yaba ngomnye nomnye nomnye.

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Ewe, nantsi ke thina namhlanje.

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Umlawuli: Silapha namhlanje.

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Ewe, kunomdla kakhulu ngenene.

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Wawusele usebenza kakhulu ngexesha lobhubhane owacetywayo.

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Wawusemigceni, kwiibhikisho, wawungoyiki ukuthetha yaye wawuthetha
nje izinto abanye ababengasoze babe nesibindi sokuzithetha.

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Kuvakala njani ngoku, emva kweli xesha apho
izinto azisadlami kangako, ukufumana isiqinisekiso

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esivela kwiiprotocol ze-RKI ezisapapashiweyo ngoku?

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Ubesebenza kakhulu kakhulu kuyo.

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Ndiyilandela ngokusondeleyo le nto kwitshaneli yakho.

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Ubabahlahlele ngokwenene.

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Ngenye indlela, loo nto ikwaliphulo esithi thina kwa-Kla.TV
silibone njengoxanduva lwethu: ukurekhoda izinto ezenzekileyo

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ukuze ekugqibeleni zikwazi ukuphathwa ngokufanelekileyo.

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Kwaye wenze igalelo elixabiseke kakhulu.

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Ndixelele, wawufumana ntoni kuko?

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Zeziphi iingongoma eziphambili zezi protokol ze-RKI?

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Ubuxelela phi rhoqo, "Akukho nto injalo"?

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Yayingqondweni yena?

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Bodo: Iiprotocol ze-RKI zibe
lithuba lokuba ndicingisise ngelo xesha.

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Kudlule ixesha elide ukusukela ngoMatshi ka-2020, xa ndaqalayo.

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kwaye kwezinye iimeko kwakungasekho
ndlela yokuba ndikubeke oko kumxholo wexesha.

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Ngoko ke, ngokwesaci, ndathi ntoni,
nini, bathini oosopolitiki, benze ntoni?

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Ngenxa yokuba bendisoloko ndilungiselela i-PowerPoint
presentation yeevidiyo zokuqala kwaye ndisenezi

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presentations, ndakwazi ukuthelekisa ixesha kakuhle kakhulu.

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Ngoko ke ndandikwazi ukuthatha iifayile ze-RKI
ndize ndithathe noko bendikuthethile, oko kukuthi,

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iinkcukacha endazifumanela ngokwam kwi-intanethi.

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Kwaye kum, ewe, yayisisiqinisekiso.

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Kuba xa uphuma esidlangalaleni uthethe
ububhanxa wenze yonke into endiyenzayo, ke

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ngokuqinisekileyo uba sengozini yokwenza impazamo.

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Kwaye xa sijonga emva, kuyacaca ukuba iingcali zokwenene
kwi-Robert Koch Institute, kwaye ngaloo nto andithethi

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ngoLars Schade okanye uMnu Wieler, kodwa ndithetha
ngabantu ababekwizinga elingasemva kwale komishoni yeengcali,

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Kwaye xa ndibona ukuba bafikelele kwizigqibo ezifanayo noWolfgang
Wodarg, Sucharit Bhakdi, Klaus Köhnlein nam – sasiyaba bane

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bokuqala – ngakolunye uhlangothi, oko kuqinisekisa ukuba
ungatsho ukuthi, kulungile, ubuncinci andizenzanga ezi

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zinto zibe yinyani, kwaye bekukho nabanye abantu kananjalo.

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Oosopolitiki bebengafuni nje ukuyiva.

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Kwaye oko kusizisa koko ubusitsho lonke eli xesha.

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Ndathi ekupheleni kukaMatshi andicingi nokuba le nto
imalunga nentsholongwane kwaphela, imalunga nezopolitiko.

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Bendikhawuleza kakhulu kwiividiyo zam kangangokuba
ndathi, ndithetha ukuthi, kumele ukuba kwakungomhla

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wama-20 kuMatshi xa ndathi, kukho into enuka kakhulu apha.

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Ndifunde kusapho lwam ukuba nanini na amajelo eendaba exela
ngecala elinye kuphela, kukho ukuhlolwa

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kweendaba okwenzekayo ndaweni ithile, kwaye oku
kuyamangalisa kakhulu, nkqu nakwimibuso yobuphethe yonke.

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Kwaye seso isizathu ndicinga ukuba ndaba ngowokuqala ukulumkisa
ukuba oko kwakusenzeka apha kungathatha kancinci kancinci iimpawu

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zolawulo olupheleleyo, kwaye ndabona le ngxelo yeenkxalabo.

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Ndisuka kusapho apho umakhulu wam aphila kwimfazwe ezimbini.

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Bendisondele kakhulu kuye, kwaye iMfazwe yokuQala neyesiBini
yeHlabathi zazisisihloko sentetho endlwini yethu.

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Sasisoloko sinesela elizele zizinto, silungiselele
imarike engemthethweni nezinye iimeko ezingalindelekanga.

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Ngoko ke abazali bam babesoloko belungiselela iimeko
ezimbi ngenxa yamava abo emfazweni, kwaye ngaloo ndlela

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ndaqonda kwangoko ukuba kwakusenzeka ntoni kanye kanye, ewe.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, kunomdla kakhulu.

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Uthe nje uMatshi. Uthetha uMatshi ka-2020, akunjalo?

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Bodo: Ividiyo yam yokuqala ibikho ngomhla we-14 kuMatshi
2020, kwaye ngomhla wama-20, kufuneka nditsho, kwacaca kum ukuba

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ibiyisifo esosulelayo esicwangcisiweyo, hayi isifo sokwenene.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, kuyadlula umda.

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Ukubuyela kwiiprotocols ze-RKI
ngendlela ecacileyo nangqondakalayo.

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Ngoku ke nawe uqulunqe imizuzu, okanye oko ukutyhilileyo,
wenza incwadi, okanye mandithi, uwabhale phantsi ngokucacileyo.

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Yintoni ekuchukumise kakhulu kulo lonke olu phando, okanye ngoku
ekubeni ubone iindawo ezicinyiweyo? Okanye zeziphi ezona ngongoma

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zibalaseleyo kuwe, ezo ngoku unokuthi bezingundoqo kuwe buqu?

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Bodo: Ndiyibonile le nto, ngoko ke andibabeki tyala
iqela leengcali le-RKI, kuba benze konke ababekwazi.

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Ukuba bebevakalise ngokuvakalayo okanye bemke
beqhankqalazela, bebezakutshintshwa ngabantu

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abangazange bayibhale phantsi kakuhle kangako.

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Ukuba sijonga iingxelo zeentlanganiso zaseSwitzerland
okanye zaseAustria okanye ezinye iintlanganiso

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zengxaki, azibalulekanga kangako xa zithelekiswa nezo ze-RKI.

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Aba basebenzi benze le nto nani
niyenzayo eKla.TV: baye bayirekhoda.

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Uchaze ngokweenkcukacha ezipheleleyo ukuba
ngubani othe wathini na, kwaye wenze kwacaca gca

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nokuba wena uhlalutya imeko ngokwahlukileyo.

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Umzekelo ubukho ngomhla wama-25 kuMatshi, xa bathe umgca
wobhubhane wawusiba tyaba, ngale xabiso lika-R ekucingelwayo.

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Ibisele izinzile ngomhla wama-25 kuMatshi 2020,
kodwa loo nto yayingekafikiswa kwihlabathi langaphandle.

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Emva koko, ngomhla woku-1 ku-Epreli,
babuza, ingaba ngenene kubi kangako?

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Kwaye kwaqhubeka. Waqaphela ukuba
sasinamanqwelo alala aneleyo emva komhla we-9 ku-Epreli.

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Ingxoxo-mpikiswano ephambili ibisoloko isithi inkqubo
yezempilo ingawa, kwaye asinabhedi zaneleyo ezikhoyo.

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Kwaye i-RKI ithe sinamalili aneleyo asimahla.

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Nokwezona meko zinzima kakhulu, singanceda abantu
abavela kwamanye amazwe kwaye singamkele izigulana zabo.

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Yiloo nto ibhunga leengcali eliyicebisileyo.

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IBhunga leengcali belisele lisazi ngomhla wama-27
kuTshazimpuzi ukuba bekukho ukhuselo lwemvelo nokuba

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kusenokwenzeka ukuba i-40% yabantu bonke ibinokhuseleko.

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Ngoko ke, into enye ilandela enye.

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Uthe watsho kwiKomishoni ngomhla wama-29
kuTshazimpuzi: kwanakwimeko embi kakhulu,

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akusayi kubakho xinzelelo kwinkonzo yezempilo.

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Kwakufanele ukuba kuphelile.

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Kwaye yinto enye leyo endizamileyo ukuyenza.

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Babexhalabile kuba abantu ababengenanto
yakwenza nako nabani na babebalwa njengabafileyo.

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Ngoko ke zonke ezi zinto thina njengabafundisi esizigxekileyo,
nezigxekwe nabezintatheli abazimeleyo,

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ziye zadluliselwa, zagxekwa, zangqinwa kwaye
zaxhaswa ngamaxwebhu ngaphakathi kwi-RKI.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, kwaye la ngamanqaku
avelileyo kwinkqubo yokuphikisa.

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Kodwa Bodo, kwenzeke njani le nto, ukuba nangona bayibhale
phantsi into yokuba bekukho indawo eyaneleyo

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yokulala, okanye nantoni na, zonke ezi ngongoma zibhalwe
phantsi, la manyathelo asayilwa ngokungqongqo kangaka?

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Kwenzeke ntoni apho? Ephi, masithi, la macebiso ayihoywanga?

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Bodo: Kukhankanyiwe izihlandlo ezininzi, kwanangezinto ezifanayo.

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Ngoko ke ungakhuphela ezi protokholu.

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Ungazivula lula kwi-PDF Reader uze uzifune.

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Uze ke ubone ukuba kuye kwathiwa izihlandlo
ezininzi ukuba ngumnqweno wezopolitiko ukuba

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abenzi bezigqibo bafuna into ethile nezinye izinto.

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Ngoko ke iminqweno yezopolitiko
yacaciswa kwaye kwanyanzeleka ukuba iphunyezwe.

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I-RKI yayisebenzisa abantu nje ukwenza kubonakale ngathi
kunomsebenzi oqhubekayo, yaye ndikholelwa ukuba oku kwacaca

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kwabanye abasebenzi ekuhambeni kwexesha,
ubuncinci ndiyitolika ngolu hlobo indlela abasabele

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ngayo, ukuba basetyenziswa nje njenge-alibi apha.

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Kwaye seso isizathu sokuba babhale phantsi
yonke into ngokucokisekileyo, kuba

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babengafuni ukusetyenziswa njenge-alibi ekugqibeleni.

13:43.140 --> 13:50.680
Abanye benu bathe ke nifuna ukuba sazise
umhlaba wangaphandle ukuba asivumelani noku.

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Umzekelo, ngokunxulumene neemaskhi, bathe kanye lonto.

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Kwaye ukuba ukwimeko enjalo, ibiyenye
nje yeekomiti ezininzi ezicebisayo.

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kodwa kuyacaca gca ukuba izigqibo bezizezopolitiko.

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Umnqweno wezopolitiko wokuvavanya,
kuthiwa ngomhla wama-29 kuJuni 2020.

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Sisoloko sithetha ngokuqala.

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Sijonge ngokwenene ukuba singazifumana phi iimeko ezininzi.

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Singayenza njani loo nto?

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Konke kungenxa yoxinzelelo oluvela koosopolitiki.

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Kwaye oko kuyahlanya.

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Amanye amagama akhona athe athiwa apha. Apho oosopolitiki bathi
eli xabiso lokuqala lesiganeko, elathi ekugqibeleni

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lasetyenziselwa ukuthethelela ixesha lokungaphumi ezindlini
neminye imithetho efanayo, yayisisidubedube soosopolitiki.

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Akukholeleki

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Ezi zangqa zeekhilomitha ezintlanu apho
ungenakushukuma zizimodeli zezopolitiko.

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Baliwe.

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Iimvavanyo zamanzi amdaka azamkelwanga.

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Zonke ezi zinto ziye zalelwa ngokupheleleyo.

14:49.824 --> 14:53.729
Enyanisweni, ndicinga ukuba eyona nto ihlekisayo ngayo
ziimvavanyo ezisezikhumulweni zeenqwelomoya.

14:53.729 --> 14:56.199
Ndithetha ukuqwalaselwa kobushushu bomzimba ababekwenza apho.

14:56.199 --> 14:58.733
I-RKI ithe le asiyongxaki.

14:58.733 --> 15:01.320
Loo nto ayizukusebenza.

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Umlawuli: Nako phakathi, akunjalo?

15:02.833 --> 15:04.693
Bodo: Yiloo nto kuyitshoyo, ilizwi ngelizwi.

15:04.693 --> 15:07.540
Umlawuli: Ewe, akunakukholelwa.

15:07.540 --> 15:13.460
Kodwa oko kukwathetha nokuba, okanye mandithi,
umbuzo ngulo, ingaba ikhona into apho malunga neegonyo?

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Kuba ekugqibeleni baphuma.

15:15.286 --> 15:21.540
Kwaye ke kwathiwa, ukuba awugonywanga uya kufa,
ukushwankathela ngokufutshane. Ugonyiwe, uphile okanye usweleke.

15:21.540 --> 15:23.776
Ndicinga ukuba ibiyindlela yoko isilogeni.

15:23.776 --> 15:28.513
Ingaba isikhundla sathathwa na nangale nto kule minithi?

15:28.513 --> 15:35.380
Bodo: Le yenye yeenkohlakalo eza yacaca gca apha.

15:35.380 --> 15:40.780
Ngoko ke kwacaca ukuba kuza
kubakho ukusweleka okubangelwa ziigonyo.

15:40.780 --> 15:52.780
Kwaye ngelo xesha, kwakufanele bayeke, kuba oko kwakuphikisana
novavanyo lwe-RKI ngokwayo lwengozi ebangelwa sisifo.

15:52.780 --> 15:56.713
Bebesazi ukuba kuye kwabakho iziphumo ezibi ezinkulu.

15:56.713 --> 16:04.980
Kwezinye iimeko, iimeko ezili-1,600 zeziphumo ebezingalindelekanga
ziye zaxelwa kwi-Paul Ehrlich Institute ngosuku olunye.

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Kanti ke, yaqhubeka noko kunjalo.

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Kwakucacile ukuba kwakungekho namava kwaphela ngeentlawulo
ze-mRNA kwaye eli yayilinkalo entsha ngokupheleleyo.

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Kwaye apha, kwenziwa ulingo olukwinqanaba lokwenyani ebantwini,
nto leyo, ngokoluvo lwam, engenakuthethelelwa yanto ngokomthetho.

16:24.780 --> 16:30.520
Kwaye mna ngokwam, ndibeka ityala
koogqirha kwinxalenye enkulu yale nto.

16:30.520 --> 16:39.420
Kuba xa utofa abantu nento engaziwayo,
oko kukungenelela okwenene emzimbeni.

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Kwaye ugqirha wabethelela isiyobisi kubantu
abazizigidi waza wafumana imali eninzi

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ngako, ngaphandle kokuba neencwadi zemiyalelo.

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Ebeziipakethe ezingenanto, phela.

16:51.866 --> 16:54.912
Kufuneka nakanjani uqonde oko nzulu.

16:54.912 --> 16:56.600
Amaphepha angaphakathi kwipakethe asenjalo

16:56.600 --> 17:01.513
Ugqirha uyamchazela isigulana into
akunyanzelekile ukuba ayenze, nokuba wayesebenza

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ngokusesikweni, into angasoze akwazi ukuyenza.

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Ugqirha akanakusebenza ngokusesikweni ngaphandle
kokuba ukumagunyeni oomkhosi okanye kumapolisa.

17:09.565 --> 17:13.386
Kungenjalo, akunakwenzeka kuba
ukuba ngugqirha ngumsebenzi ozimeleyo.

17:13.386 --> 17:19.115
Kwaye ngokwemigaqo yobungcali, oogqirha abavumelekanga
ukuba bamkele imiyalelo evela kubantu abangengooogqirha.

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Akavumelekanga ukwenza loo nto.

17:20.620 --> 17:25.564
Kwaye unyanzelekile phantsi kweNkqubo
yaseNuremberg, iNkqubo yaseHelsinki kunye

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nenkqubo yokuziphatha kwezonyango ukwazisa abantu.

17:28.780 --> 17:31.233
Kwaye kananjalo malunga neengozi ezinokubakho.

17:31.233 --> 17:37.853
I-Pfizer yayisazi ngeengozi kwaye yazazisa
oorhulumente ngale nto ukuze ifumane imvume yongxamiseko.

17:37.853 --> 17:41.800
Kodwa abazange banikwe oogqirha; endaweni yoko, bavalelwa.

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kwaye ke kwanyanzeleka ukuba ikhutshwe
ngokwasemthethweni phantsi koMthetho weNkululeko yoLwazi.

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Kwaye zikhutshwa kancinci kancinci kuphela.

17:48.520 --> 17:57.726
Kwaye siyazi kwezi ngxelo ukuba oogqirha apha bafake
into ngomjovo bengazi nokuba yintoni na abayifakayo.

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Yayiyintoni isiseko sabo sesayensi?

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Bebengenazo!

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Bekukho oosopolitiki ababe besithi oku kusebenza kakuhle,
kuyakhawuleza, kukhuselekile kwaye kukhusela nakweyiphi na into.

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Kwaye akukho nanye kwezo zinto eyayiyinyani.

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Ezo yayiziinkohliso.

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Yinto yobuyatha.

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Ngoko ke oogqirha, kwaye ingakumbi xa ndicinga ngeemaski
ngoku, kukwakho nabantu abasebenza kwezonyango lwabasebenzi.

18:27.020 --> 18:31.480
Ngoko ke, iinkampani ezinkulu zinoxanduva
lokuba noogqirha bezempilo emsebenzini.

18:31.480 --> 18:37.313
Kukho abantu abenza imali yabo, umzekelo, ngokujonga
ukuba umntu ufanelekile na ukunxiba iimaski okanye hayi.

18:37.313 --> 18:41.042
Kwakufanele bayihlasele, kodwa abazange!

18:41.042 --> 18:46.480
Zonke ezi ngongoma ziyabonakala kwiifayile ze-RKI.

18:46.480 --> 18:51.455
Oko kuthetha ukuba ungabona kwiifayile ze-RKI ukuba
kangaphi kwaye ngokuzimisela kangakanani i-RKI

18:51.455 --> 18:54.060
ibisoloko isithi, hayi, ukunxiba iimaski yinto yobuyatha.

18:54.060 --> 19:03.639
Bade bafuna ukuba iimaski zihanjiswe kuphela ngugqirha
ngemfumbo, kwaye oogqirha mabahlolisise izigulana

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ukuze bazi ukuba zifanelekile na ukunxiba imaski ye-FFP2.

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Kwaze ke kuvele umntu ofana noMnu Söder aze
athi iimaski ze-FFP2 ngoku ziyanyanzeleka apha.

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Nangona kwakucacile ukuba iimaski ze-FFP2, ukuba bezinika nakuphi
na ukhuseleko, bezingasebenzi kakuhle njengeemaski zotyando.

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Loo nto ibe yeyezopolitiko.

19:26.046 --> 19:30.340
... Kwakukho umntu owayesoloko esithi yayiyimaski yomkhonzi.

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Yiloo nto.

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Loo nto yayiluphawu olubonakalayo lokuthobela phakathi kwabantu.

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Yayiyile maski.

19:37.413 --> 19:39.300
Kwaye oko kuyacaca kwiminitsha.

19:39.300 --> 19:49.393
Kodwa i-RKI, njengoko uMnu Wieler ephinde wagxininisa, kwaye
enyanisile ngale nto, ayizange ibe nalo igunya lokuphatha.

19:49.393 --> 19:50.440
Umlawuli: Ewe, kunomdla kakhulu.

19:50.440 --> 19:58.656
Bodo: Kwaye le mizuzu, ewe kona, yathunyelwa kuye
wonke umntu okhankanywe kuyo, njengoJens Spahn.

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Ngoko ke, ulwazi lwalukho, ewe.

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Kwaye iBundeswehr yafumana ulwazi, ewe ke.

20:04.306 --> 20:08.300
Kwaye i-Ofisi kaTshansela neSebe lezeMpilo
likarhulumente womdibaniso bayakuqonda oko, ewe.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba iingcali zikarhulumente
azihoywanga, kuba i-RKI ayingombutho ozimeleyo,

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yiarhente karhulumente, kwaye abaphulaphulwanga.

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Endaweni yoko, kwenziwa into ethile, nto leyo namhlanje,
ewe... kulabo bayiqondayo, ayinzima ukuyicacisa yonke loo nto.

20:30.860 --> 20:41.286
Ababukeli be-Kla.TV nabo ngokubanzi bayazi kakuhle ukuba esi
siqholo asizange siyilelwe intsholongwane, kodwa yintsholongwane

20:41.286 --> 20:48.376
eyayilelwe isiqholo esasele sikho, utshilo
uReiner Füllmich, endinokuthi, ubambezelwe

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njengomvukeli wezopolitiko kwintolongo yaseJamani.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, kuyinto egqithisileyo ngokwenene.

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Yiyo kanye loo nto endiyifumana inomtsalane kangaka ukuba abantu
abanjengawe, abavela kwimvelaphi yezonyango okanye abazi oogqirha

21:02.064 --> 21:08.058
ngokwabo, banendlela yokwenza enobuchule kangaka. Ndinesifanekiso
esivela kwiWikipedia engqondweni yam, apho ume

21:08.058 --> 21:14.073
ungagqunywanga phambi kweqela lamapolisa, onke agqunywele
ngokupheleleyo, enxibe ii-FFP2 kunye neemaski zokuzikhusela.

21:14.073 --> 21:20.118
Ngoko ke, ngandlel' ithile, kufuneka isibindi
esithile ukuze uthi, kulungile, ndingugqirha,

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kodwa ndiyathandabuza ngoko kuyalelwayo apha.

21:22.866 --> 21:25.798
Kwezopolitiko, usitshilo ngokwezopolitiko
izihlandlo ezininzi ngoku, kodwa ndicinga

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nokuba nakwamajelo eendaba, ingaba oko kungalunga?

21:27.264 --> 21:33.249
Kumajelo eendaba, akukhange kubekho ngathi amajelo eendaba abanzi
enze naluphi na uphando olubalulekileyo apho. Babenokukhwankqisa

21:33.249 --> 21:35.760
emnyango we-RKI baze babuze, "Heyi, imi njani imeko?"

21:35.760 --> 21:38.440
Uyicebisa njani loo nto? Yeyiphi isicwangciso ngoku?

21:38.440 --> 21:45.969
Kodwa yonke into yayisetyenziselwa ukususa umbono omnye, apho
ubunokubona ukuba kwakungekho thuba

21:45.969 --> 21:54.480
lokuphikisa abasasazi bakarhulumente okanye
kwanabaziingcali, oogqirha, ababecinga ngendlela efanayo.

21:54.480 --> 21:58.973
Bodo: Sisungule iqela ngexesha lokuvalwa
kwezwe kuba uMthetho wamaQela oPolitiko ubaluleke

21:58.973 --> 22:01.220
ngaphezu koMthetho woKhuselo lwoSulelo kwaye

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Sizamile ngale ndlela ukulungiselela
ukudibana nezinye izinto ezinjalo.

22:04.780 --> 22:10.400
Enyanisweni, yayiyinjongo esisiseko yeResistance 2020.

22:10.400 --> 22:17.560
Kwaza ke kwafika iqela likamabonakude kuthi,
ekuqhelisweni, kuzokwenza udliwano-ndlebe noRalf Ludwig nam.

22:17.560 --> 22:24.873
Kwaza ke umntu wasitsalela umnxeba wathi
uselaqela, kweli qela, kuza abantu abane.

22:24.873 --> 22:28.220
Kuphela komntu onokumthemba ngumfoti.

22:28.220 --> 22:32.880
Bonke abanye bayalelwe ukuba bakubonise njengeeNazi.

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Baza kukulungiselela iingqula.

22:35.386 --> 22:41.993
Nceda umise ikhamera kwaye
unyanzelise ukuba irekhode ividiyo yonke.

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Yaye yiloo nto sayenzayo.

22:43.660 --> 22:50.960
Saza sayirekhoda le vidiyo, kwaye
inkqubo ngokwayo ayizange isasazwe.

22:50.960 --> 22:52.679
Oko yayingomzekelo omnye.

22:52.679 --> 22:58.520
Emva koko, isikhululo sikamabonakude esiphambili
saseFransi sandwendwela saza sandibuza ngalo mbandela.

22:58.520 --> 23:05.264
Kwaye ke ekugqibeleni wandixelela ukuba bathi
mandikwenze udliwano-ndlebe kuba ndiphambene.

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Kodwa awuphambani, unyanisile.

23:08.460 --> 23:10.645
Le nkqubo nayo ayizange isasazwe.

23:10.645 --> 23:16.200
Waphinda wandibona eBerlin ngomhla woku-1
ku-Agasti waza wathi, ngoku ndikwicala lakho.

23:16.200 --> 23:18.280
Ndishiye isikhululo.

23:18.280 --> 23:21.440
Kodwa ezo zibali nje enizixelela amajelo eendaba.

23:21.440 --> 23:29.658
Sifumene ileta yangaphakathi evela kwi-rbb. Kwaye le
leta ibitsho, ndicaphula, bendinayo ileta, akusayi

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kubakho ukunika iingxelo ezithambisayo malunga neCorona.

23:35.060 --> 23:42.501
Ngoko ke, umyalelo ovela kumnqambiso-jikelele
kubo bonke iintatheli: akusayi kubakho

23:42.501 --> 23:47.206
kuxoxwa ngokuthambekayo ngentsholongwane ye-corona.

23:47.206 --> 23:48.999
Kwakukho ucenzasi kwasekuqaleni.

23:48.999 --> 23:51.151
Bekukho indlela ecacileyo yokwenza.

23:51.151 --> 23:55.820
Kwaye njengoko benditshilo, singabona kwiiminitsha
ukuba yonke le nto ayizange ingqinwe ngokwenzululwazi.

23:55.820 --> 23:58.460
Akukaze kuthethwe ngaloo nto.

23:58.460 --> 24:04.246
Ngoko ke, yile nto kanye esiyifumeneyo
nathi, njengabafundisi, kwezi zibalo.

24:04.246 --> 24:06.393
Sisebenzise kuphela amanani asemthethweni.

24:06.393 --> 24:07.986
Sithathe amanani kwi-RKI.

24:07.986 --> 24:12.866
Sithathe amanani asuka eJohns
Hopkins saza sihlalutya zonke ezi zinto.

24:12.866 --> 24:16.580
Ndisihlalutye eso ngokuzibamba yonke imihla kwinkqubo yam.

24:16.580 --> 24:23.616
Kwaye oko kwakutshiwo ngurhulumente
kwakuchasene kakhulu noko kwakubonakala kumanani.

24:23.616 --> 24:31.745
Umlawuli: Ewe, kuyothusa ngokwenene ukucinga ukuba into enjalo
ingenzeka njani, le nto uyichazayo ngoku kumajelo eendaba.

24:31.745 --> 24:39.806
Nditsho, sesikubonile oku kusenzeka ngokuphindaphindiweyo, ukuba
amazwi aphikisayo okanye izimvo ezahlukileyo azivumelekanga.

24:39.806 --> 24:44.546
Iingcali, ezingama-ngcali zangaphambili, izazinzulu
ezihlonitshwayo kakhulu kwanazo neengcali

24:44.546 --> 24:49.312
zezemali ziye ngequbuliso, masithi, zaba
ziisidenge ezipheleleyo; yindlela eziboniswa ngayo.

24:49.312 --> 24:52.810
AmaNazi, njengoko ukhankanyile ngaphambili,
kulapho ke kuvela khona iiklabhu nokubekwa

24:52.810 --> 24:54.920
kwabo kwiibhokisi ezincinci ukuze bathulwe.

24:54.920 --> 24:59.620
Ukutsho ngqo, ucinga ukuba into enje ingenzeke njani?

24:59.620 --> 25:01.020
Imicu idibana phi?

25:01.020 --> 25:07.280
Kuba ngokwenene yingxubakaxaka engenathemba.
Okanye, kwelinye icala, ilawulwa kakuhle ngokwentelekiso.

25:07.280 --> 25:14.955
ukuba amajelo eendaba akwazile ngokwenene ukucinezela
lonke ingxelo enoluvo olwahlukileyo, okanye ukuphembelela

25:14.955 --> 25:18.080
oosopolitiki ngendlela yokuba wonke umntu alandele.

25:18.080 --> 25:21.720
Yinto yobuyatha.

25:21.720 --> 25:26.286
Bodo: Kufuneka uqonde, bendiyi-mainstream kude kube ngu-2020.

25:26.286 --> 25:27.900
Bendingayazi nto ngayo.

25:27.900 --> 25:34.664
Loo nto ibingekho kwaphela... Ewe, yonke into
endiyithethayo namhlanje ibiyintetho

25:34.664 --> 25:39.226
engenantsingiselo nakum, kwaye bendingenakuyiqikelela.

25:39.226 --> 25:45.000
Kufuneka uqonde ukuba sinabo
abaphathi-zwe abangathathi zigqibo kwaphela.

25:45.000 --> 25:52.158
Kwaye kukho ingxelo elungileyo kakhulu kaHorst
Seehofer, apho wathi abo banyuliweyo

25:52.158 --> 25:56.840
abananto yokugqiba kwaye abo bagqibayo abakhethwanga.

25:56.840 --> 25:59.340
WayenguMphathiswa wezeMpilo.

25:59.340 --> 26:10.099
Lelo ibe yintetho evela ngqo kumntu owayesakuba ngumphathiswa
wombuso, ongene kule nto ... mhlawumbi enomdla omkhulu neenjongo

26:10.099 --> 26:15.873
ezintle, ecinga ukuba, Ngoku ndiza kuzitshintsha izinto.

26:15.873 --> 26:18.180
waza waqonda ukuba akanakukwazi ukukwenza.

26:18.180 --> 26:23.613
Oku kuthetha ukuba sinorhulumente wethunzi,
kwaye ngokucacileyo unoobubanzi behlabathi jikelele.

26:23.613 --> 26:33.120
Kwaye nje ukuba usopolitiki engene e-ofisini, kuza
umntu kuye enxibe isuti entle emnike iindlela ezahlukeneyo.

26:33.120 --> 26:40.046
Ewe, oko kungabonakala, umzekelo, ngaye
esithi, ewe, mhlawumbi ngoku umazi uJohn F. Kennedy.

26:40.046 --> 26:43.552
Ekugqibeleni, naye wayeka ukudlala ngabo.

26:43.552 --> 26:46.314
Uyazi ukuba sasikwenza njani ngelo xesha?

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Ewe, kulungile.

26:47.620 --> 26:52.173
Okanye uMnu. Ohoven okanye uMnu.
Barschel okanye umntu ofana nalowo.

26:52.173 --> 26:54.960
Oko kuthetha ukuba kufuneka nyhani
uyicinge ngaloo mazwi acace gca.

26:54.960 --> 27:04.120
Abantu abangena kurhulumente, kwiimeko ezininzi, eneneni,
asibobonke, kodwa abanye babo, bangena benendlela efanelekileyo.

27:04.120 --> 27:13.064
Kwaze ke kufike umntu abaxelele, "Kuhle ukuba ucinga ukuba
isebenza ngolo hlobo, kodwa eneneni, mhlobo wam, le asiyontando

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wesininzi. Endaweni yoko, sihambisa kuMnu S. esi sixa
semali, kuNksk B. eso sixa semali, nakuMnu H. esi sixa semali."

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kwaye benza oko sikufunayo kuba sineevidiyo zabo ezinomdla.

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Kwaye, Bodo, ngelixa sisekulo mbandeni
weevidiyo, uyayikhumbula loo phathi?

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Ipunte, ipunte, ipunte.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba udala ukuxhomekeka, kwaye
ekuhambeni kwexesha kuphuma into kuko, njengakwiWorld Economic

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Forum, apho baqeqesha iingcali zabo baze bazifake nje.

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Ndithetha ukuthi, okwangoku sibona owona
mzekelo ubalaseleyo woku kuNksk. von der Leyen.

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Ewe, wonke umntu eneneni uyachasa ukuba aqhubeke nokukhokela
i-EU, apho anokuyalela iibhiliyoni ngomyalezo obhaliweyo,

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masithi. Ayinakucingelwa, ayinaburhulumente-sibekho kwaphela.

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Ngokwesiqhelo, wayefanele ukuba ahlale kwisela
elinzulu kakhulu, kodwa endaweni yoko uphinda abe

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nguMongameli we-EU, kwaye yile nto kanye esebenzayo.

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Ngamanye amazwi, apha ungabona ukuba iipopayi ziyqeqeshwa
zize zisasazwe kuyo yonke iipalamente, ukuze uKlaus Schwab

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akwazi ukuhlala phantsi athi ungenela ngekhukula kwiipalamente.

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kwaye isabelo esikhulu sezipalamente besele
singoOyena Mkhokeli weHlabathi oselula naye.

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Loku kukuhlamba ubuchopho.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba aba bantu bafakwa kwesi sikhundla,
kwaye ke ngoko uba neenzuzo ekungekho mntu wumbi unazo.

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Masithi sasinokhuphiswano lweYurophu
oluqhiyazwayo olwenzeka eJamani ngoku.

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kwaye ke ube nomdlalo webhola ekhatywayo, masithi, eFrankfurt

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kwaye ke ube nokwalelwa iinqwelomoya zasebusuku eFrankfurt.

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Emva koko ubuya kuba ngumphathiswa wezangaphandle oyintelekelelo
onokukhwela inqwelomoya eyintelekelelo nangona kukho

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ukuvalwa kweenqwelomoya zasebusuku, uze uzifake uye eLuxembourg.

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Ubungayenza loo nto ngemoto, ayikho kude kangako.

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Ngoko ke, ngelixa abadlali bebhola ekhatywayo enkundleni
bengayi kuvunyelwa ukwenza oko kule Ntshinga yaseYurophu

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yentsomi, umphathiswa wangaphandle wentsomi yena uya kuvunyelwa.

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Uze wonwabele iinzuzo ezinjalo apho ube nejethi yakho
yabucala engumkhulu njengeBoeing, ingeyonto incinane njengaleyo

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kaBill Gates, kodwa undiza ngenqwelomoya karhulumente.

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Awusoze uphinde ulahlekelwe yisikhundla esinjalo.

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Emva koko, ngexesha lohambo, ungacela umntu wakho wokuzilungisa
we-137,000 ye-euro, othi ke ngoku kufuneka ahlawulwe

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iintlawulo ezongezelelweyo zasebusuku, akulungise
kwakhona ukuze ubonakale umhle xa ufika eLuxembourg.

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Akulunganga.

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Logama nje sinika oosopolitiki amalungelo akhethekileyo
okunganyanzeleki ukuba bahlale kwiingxubakaxaka zezithuthi

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kwaye bevunyelwa ukuba babhabhe nge-jumbo jet ngexesha
lokwalelwa kokubhabha ebusuku, oku kuza kuqhubeka kusenzeka.

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Kuba xa ukweso sikhundla kwaye mhlawumbi
awukagqibi nesikolo, kodwa ngelishwa

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ungumkhokeli weqela elithile, awusoze ufune ukulilahla.

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Kwaye emva kokusebenza isigaba esinye nje esikhundleni, ufumana
umhlalaphantsi ongaphezulu kunomntu osebenze ubomi bakhe bonke.

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Akulunganga oko, kwaye logama nje oosopolitiki
beqhubeka nokonwabela iinzuzo ezinjalo, asizukutshintsha nto.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, enkosi. Kulungile, lulityhilelo
elicacileyo elo. Lunika umfanekiso opheleleyo.

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Zonke zibiyintsomi, kakade, kuquka noMphathiswa Wezangaphandle.

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Andicingi ukuba ukho umntu oyaziyo ncam into oyithethayo.

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Ngoko ke, ukuba siqala ngaba bantu bakhethekileyo, ndingathi
ngabantu abanethamsanqa lokwenza ezi zigqibo, ndingathi

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ngabopolitiki, befaka uxinzelelo kumajelo eendaba,
okanye, ndingathi, bafuna nje ukuba izicwangciso zabo zamkelwe.

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Lunjani uluvo lwakho ngesivumelwano se-WHO sesifo
esosasazekayo kwihlabathi jikelele? Ngaba ngoku asisaxoxwa?

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Ingaba kusaza kubakho okunye?

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Okanye ingaba yonke le nto ekugqibeleni iza kungena
ngasemva ngamazwe, de sonke sicinge, ewe, ke ayizukwenzeka?

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Ucinga ukuba kuza kwenzeka ntoni ngokulandelayo?

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Bodo: Ngelishwa, oosopolitiki abanakho konke
ukuthakazelela into esiyenzayo. Endaweni yoko,

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balandela umbhalo, kwaye loo mbhalo uyadlalwa.

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Kwaye xa nisathandabuza, nifaka enye into phakathi okanye
nityhala umthetho othile ngokusebenzisa inkqubo ye-omnibus, ukuze

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ngoku, ukongeza kunyuswa kwemivuzo yabasebenzi
bezikolo zabantwana, nithi kwakhona senze ukugonywa

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kube nyanzelekile kwaye niyenza loo nto ngaxeshanye.

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Izinto ezinjalo eneneni ziyalelwe, kodwa ngexesha
lobhubhane, imithetho ibisoloko igqunyelelwa ngokungxamisekileyo

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kwiinkqubo zomthetho ezibandakanya izinto ezininzi.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba awungazukuyiqaphela nokuyiqaphela.

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Ngethuba elithile, iya kuba yinyani kwaye abantu
abazukuyithandabuza, kuba ke i-ARD, i-ZDF kunye nabo basoloko

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besenjenjalo baya kuza bathi, ewe, yile nto
yenzekileyo kwireferendamu, iqela labantwana abancinci

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eBuxtehude ligqibe kwelokuba, kwaye yiyo loo nto kunjalo ngoku.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, kunomdla.

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Ngoko ke uthi esi sicwangciso siya kuqhubeka sisetyenziswa.

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Ngoku siqaphela ukuba sifumana iinkcukacha ezivela
kuyo yonke indawo ngalo mzuzu, ezize nge-pandemic X

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okanye iCorona 2.0. Zininzi kakhulu ezingenayo ngalo mzuzu.

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Nditsho, kucace gca ukuba xa bephumelele ukudlala
umdlalo wobhubhane onje kwaye ingxoxo yokubuyekeza ayikabikho,

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kufuneka uqhubeke kwenye indawo. Nako oko kucace gca.

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Umbuzo nje ngulo, uyivavanya njani, kwenzeka njani lonto?

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Bodo: Ngoko ke le nto siyifumanayo yeyona
ndlela iphezulu yokwahlula uze ulawule.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba kukho abantu apha abavule
amacala amaninzi kangangokuba uluntu

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lutshatyalaliswe ngokupheleleyo lwaba ngamakhampu ahlukeneyo.

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Bakho abakholelwa kwisifo X, bakho abakholelwa
kwi-bird flu, omnye umntu ukholelwa

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kwi-monkeypox, omnye umntu ukholelwa kwinto endingayaziyo.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba abo bangabandakanyekanga koku, nina ke
nithiqwa ngumlo wase-Ukraine, i-Israel kunye nezinye iindaba.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba ngoku uvule olona hlobo luphezulu.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba ngoku basebenzise zonke
iindlela abanokuzisebenzisa ukwahlula uluntu.

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Kwaye kufuneka nditsho, baphumelele.

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Ngoko ke xa ndijonga oku, ndibona abantu abaninzi besiya
ezitratweni beqhankqalazela abantu abebengakha baqhankqalazela

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kubo kwisithuba seminyaka emine. Eyona nto
ikhethekileyo ngeQuerdenken, Querdenker kunye nemiboniso yam

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yayikukuba asizange sibe nayo nayiphi na imiboniso echasayo.

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Abantu baye bayibukela ngomdla, kodwa ke, njengoko
sesitshilo izihlandlo ezimbalwa, kudlalwa

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ngamakhadi amaNazi kwaye, ngelishwa, abantu bayakholelwa.

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Yiloo nto engaqhelekanga.

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Ngoko ke usenokuba wakha wasebenza kwindawo yokuzilolonga ndaweni
ithile apho wawunguye kuphela umJamani kuba

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bonke abanye babengabaphambukeli, kwaye ke kuvele
umntu akutyhola ngequbuliso ngokuba unguNazi.

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Kuyamangalisa.

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Kubuhlungu ekuqaleni, de ekugqibeleni uqonde
ukuba ihlabathi lisebenza ngendlela eyahlukileyo.

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ke ungade ukwazi ukujongana nayo ngequbuliso,

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kodwa le nto siyibonayo apha yinkxubakaxaka nje epheleleyo,

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kwaye akukhathaliseki nokuba woyika ntoni.

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Kwaye ngoku wamkelekile ukuba ungene kwibubhule yethu.

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Ngoko ke ukuba ukwibhubhuni yethu ngoku, woyika ukulahlekelwa
yimiceli-mngeni, imitha yendawo, okanye into endingayaziyo.

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Ngoko ke, apha phakathi kwethu, kuvuswa uloyiko olungako.

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Yiyo loo nto ndisithi siza kuba neengxaki ukukhupha
amanzi kumgxobhozo, kuba nathi siwufikelele emadolweni.

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Umlawuli: Ewe. Ngoko ke lo mgaqo wokwahlula
nokulawula ngumxholo onika umdla kakhulu.

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Njengoko sisondela esiphelweni sengxoxo yethu, okanye mandithi,
kumbuzo wokugqibela, ndingathanda kakhulu ukwazi ukuba yeyiphi

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umyalezo ongathanda ukuwudlulisela kubabukeli
ngenxa yazo zonke ezi, masithi, iingxaki, iimeko ezimbi,

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nayo yonke into eyenzekileyo nephambi kwethu ngoku.

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Ingaba oko kungathini, apho unokuthi lelo
ingcebiso yam yezonyango, ukuyidlulisela ngolo hlobo.

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Yeyiphi icebiso onokulinika ababukeli ngeli xesha?

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Bodo: Kulungile, okokuqala, ndicinga ukuba sonke siza kufa.

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Bodo: Kodwa hayi kwi-coronavirus kwaye hayi kwiSifo X.

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Ngoko ke ndiza kongeza kwintetho yam kwividiyo yam yokuqala.

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Kwaye ke kukho ingoma emangalisayo yomntu
obizwa ngokuba nguMathias Family and Friends.

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kwaye unengoma ebizwa ngokuba yi-"Stand Up".

35:12.720 --> 35:21.213
Kwaye into endingayithetha kubabukeli bam okanye
kubabukeli bakho yile, nime naphakamise amazwi enu,

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Vuka ubonakale!

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Kwaye leyo iyinto ekufuneka siqaphele, ukuba ayixhomekekanga
kuMathias Ebert okanye iKla.TV okanye uIvo

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Sasek kwaye ayixhomekekanga kuBodo Schiffmann,
kodwa ibaxhomekeke ebantwini abasibukeleyo ngoku.

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Umlawuli: Kulungile kakhulu.

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Bodo: Logama beqhubeka besiphatha ngathi singuMnu. Lanz okanye
nabani na, besisebenzisa nje, akukho nto iza kutshintsha.

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Endaweni yoko, sidinga abantu abaninzi abaza, xa
besathandabuza, bema ngokuqinileyo baze bangagungqi, ukuze

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uluntu lonke ekugqibeleni lubone uThixo ngaphakathi kwalo.

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Umlawuli: Ndingathi amen kuphela kuloo nto!

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Sithandwa Bodo, eso ibiyintetho yokuvala entle kakhulu.

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Ndicinga ukuba ikwayumyalezo omhle kakhulu kubaphulaphuli,
wokuba akufuneki balahle ithemba kuyo yonke le nto.

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Nokuba singaphakathi okanye ngaphandle kwebhubhile
yethu, kukho ithemba elithi ngenye imini le bhubhile

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izakuphela, kwaye uluntu luza kubuyela kwingqiqo edibeneyo.

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Ndicinga ukuba kuyamangalisa indlela oziphatha ngayo
izinto, indlela ufikelela ngayo embindini walo mba.

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Enkosi kakhulu ngolu dliwano-ndlebe.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba siya kuqhubeka, siya kuqhubela phambili.

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Njengoko benditshilo, uzicandile iiprotocol ze-RKI,
ngoko ke ngokuqinisekileyo siza kuhlala silumele loo nto.

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Akunakufakwa into enje kwinkqubo, akunakwenzeka.

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Kodwa enkosi ngokuyicubungula
ngokucokisekileyo njengengcali yezonyango.

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Ndingatsho ukuba nkqu nabemi
abaqhelekileyo abanjengathi banokuqonda kwinqanaba

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elithile into eyenzekileyo ngokwenene apho.

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba oku kubaluleke kakhulu
kangangokuba kuza kusenza sikwazi ukwamkela

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okwenzekileyo kwixesha elidlulileyo emva koko.

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Ngoko ke, enkosi kakhulu kwakhona, ndikunqwenelela
okuhle, kwaye ndilangazelela incoko yethu elandelayo.

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Bodo: Enkosi ngesimemo, bekumnandi.

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Umbhali: Zikhathalele, Bodo!