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Emkhakheni wezokwelapha eziphuthumayo, into yokuqala oyifundayo
wukuthi uma kwenzeka ingozi edala ukulimala kwabantu abaningi

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noma okuthile okufana nalokho, awungene esimweni bese ubiza usizo
uthi, "Sizofa sonke, asinazo izimoto zokuthutha iziguli ezanele,

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asikwazi ukukwelapha," ngoba akusikho okufanele ukwenze.

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Ngakho kwacaca ukuthi kuzoba nokufa ngenxa yemijovo
yokugoma, futhi ngaleso sikhathi bekufanele bayeke.

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Ngikholelwa ukuthi sonke sizofa, kodwa hhayi ngenxa
ye-coronavirus noma Isifo X; akukho okuzoshintsha ngalokho.

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Esikhundleni salokho, sidinga abantu abaningi abazimisele,
lapho bekungabaza, bame ngokuqinile futhi bahlale beqinile ukuze

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zonke izizwe ekugcineni zibone uNkulunkulu ngaphakathi kwazo.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, wamukelekile ku-Kla. TV.

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Ngemva kobhubhane lwe-coronavirus, ngesikhathi kwathathwa
izinyathelo eziningi futhi kwenziwa izinqumo eziningi

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ngabezepolitiki, ezinye zazo zashiya abantu bezibuza, "Ingabe
lokhu kusajwayelekile? Ingabe kunento enengqondo kulokhu konke?"

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Yilokho ngempela okwenza abantu abaningi kakhulu bakhulume
nge-plandemic, begcizelela u-L. Futhi ngaleso

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sikhathi, kwakukhona futhi ochwepheshe abathile,
kuhlanganise nodokotela wokuqala, owavuka wathi,

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UDkt. Bodo Schiffmann ungumuntu owayenesibindi
sokuveza umbono ophikisanayo futhi, ngokombono

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wobungcweti, wahlanganisa izinto kahle kakhulu kakhulu.

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Futhi namuhla, simenemukela lapha e-Kla.TV
njengomkhona wethu ukuze senze ingxoxo naye.

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Siyakwamukela ngokufudumele kakhulu, Bodo othandekayo.

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Bodo: Yebo, Mathias othandekayo. Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngomemo.

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Ngiyajabula ukuba yingxenye ye-Kla.TV.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, muva nje sibe nethuba lokuzazana
kancane. Bekumnandi kakhulu ukuba isivakashi esiteshini sakho.

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Futhi ungumuntu othakazelisa kakhulu,
ikakhulukazi ngoba wawuphumelela kakhulu njengodokotela

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ngisho nangaphambi kobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ngokwazi kwami, wawuphatha
ibhizinisi lokuzilolonga ndawonye nomkakho.

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Ngitshele, kwenzeka kanjani ukuthi ekugcineni wathi, 'Ngiyayeka
lokhu, ngizovuma umbono ongajwayelekile

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ongazange usabalale kabanzi phakathi kodokotela
ngaleso sikhathi, ikakhulukazi lapho iCorona yaqala'?

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Bodo: Kulungile, okokuqala nje, akekho phakathi kwethu. Futhi
ngicabanga ukuthi ngikhulumela wonke umuntu

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owakhuluma lapho ngithi akekho phakathi kwethu obekulindele
ukuthi kuzodingeka asiyeke lutho ngalokho esikushilo.

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Angizange ngazi ukuthi sizohlangabezana nomoya
ophambene. Futhi kumele ngivume, angizange ngilindele lokho.

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Ngakho-ke nginguchwepheshe
kwezokwelapha zindlebe, ikhala nomqala.

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Ngazibandakanya kwezifo zohlelo
lwe-vestibular kanye nokujikeleza kwekhanda.

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Lokho kwakuyinto ehlekisayo: amavidiyo ami okuqala
ayehlala ethi avela eklinikhi ye-vertigo yaseSinsheim.

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Futhi abantu abaningi bacabanga ukuthi
kwakuyihlekiso, ukuthi le kiliniki yokudideka kwekhanda

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yayizama ukuthola uhlobo oluthile lokudideka kwekhanda.

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Kodwa lokho kwakungeyona inhloso.

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Umkami futhi ungudokotela wezindlebe, ikhala
nomqala kanye nomelaphi wokulimala kwengqondo.

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Futhi ngingudokotela wezokwelapha eziphuthumayo.

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Futhi ngivela emkhakheni wezokwelapha eziphuthumayo. Emkhakheni
wezokwelapha eziphuthumayo, into yokuqala oyifundayo wukuthi uma

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kwenzeka ingozi yabantu abaningi noma okuthile okufana nakho,
awungene esimweni bese ukhala uthi, "Sisize,

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sonke sizofa!", "Asinazo izimoto zokuthutha
iziguli ezanele!", "Asikwazi ukukwelapha!".

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Awukwenzi lokho.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi impendulo yami yokuqala
yayingokuthi okwenzwaabezindaba lapha akunamthwalo wemfanelo.

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Futhi njengoba wawusho, nganginodumo olukhulu, ngangiyingcweti
yobugebengu bokukhohlisa kwa-Apotheken-Umschau, ngangivele

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ku-SWR nakwezinye izinhlelo zethelevishini, abantu babengazi.

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Bengivele nginenkanjini ye-YouTube.

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Ngakho ngacabanga ngaphakathi kwami, kulungile, kumele ngizame
ukusebenzisa ubuchwepheshe bami njengochwepheshe wokubanda –

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okuyikho kuphela okwenzayo njengodokotela
wezindlebe, ikhala nomphimbo – futhi njengodokotela

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wezimo eziphuthumayo, ngithi, bafowethu, nithule.

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Ngagcina ividiyo yokuqala engiyenzile
ngomhlaka 14 Mashi 2020 ngala mazwi: "Ngicabanga

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ukuthi sonke sizofa, kodwa hhayi nge-coronavirus!"

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Lokho kwakuyisiphetho salokho.

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Ngakho-ke kwakuyimbono ehlukile nge-coronavirus,
yilokho okwakuhloswe, kulokhu ngaphandle kokwesaba.

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Futhi ngangikholwa ngempela ngalokhu, ngoba nami
nganginabaguli abavelele kakhulu, kuhlanganisa

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abezepolitiki, abadlali bezemidlalo nabanye abafana nabo.

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Ngacabanga ukuthi omunye wabo kumele axhumane noMerkel.

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Futhi uMerkel ungusosayensi
we-physics ye-quantum, uyokuqonda lokho.

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Futhi ngabe ngimtshela nje, "lalela,
lezi zinombolo ziyahunyushwa kabi."

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Futhi kumele umtshele lokho, futhi kumele uthi
uChristian Drosten wenze ukwahlulela okungalungile lapha.

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Ungayinaki, uhamba ngendlela engalungile lapha.

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Lokho empeleni kwakuyikho konke.

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Yebo, futhi yilokho kuphela engangifuna ukukwenza.

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Bengicabanga ukuthi ngizokwenza ividiyo, omunye
wamakhasimende ami noma iziguli zami ayithathe, ayibonise

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kuMerkel noma kubani, bese ethi, "Nansi, bheka, kukhona eyodwa."

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Lowo ngudokotela wami wezindlebe, ikhanda nomphimbo;
wangisiza. Ungudokotela wezimo eziphuthumayo futhi, uyazi

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okukhuluma ngakho futhi ubona izinto ngendlela ehlukile.

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Akekho ithuba.

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Umlawuli: Akekho ithuba, yebo.

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Yebo, kuyathakazelisa kakhulu.

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Bodo: Futhi ukuthi ungagcina ulahlekelwa umsebenzi
wakho noma ngokuzumayo umemezele njengeNazi noma yini,

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mina, umkami, noma noma ubani abazange bazi ngalokho.

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Kodwa uma ngesinye isikhathi uqaphela noma ucabanga ukuthi
umsebenzi wakho ubalulekile ekusindiseni

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izimpilo, ekudambiseni ukwesaba kwabantu,
ekufundiseni abantu ukuthi lokhu akubi kangako,

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Ngamanye amazwi, ukuthatha umsebenzi engangingawulindela
ezindabeni zangempela, okwethutyana nje kuphela, vele.

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Bengihlale ngicabanga, kahle, hhayi bo, bengingafuni
ukwenza enye ividiyo, kodwa ngizokwenza eyodwa futhi.

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Ekugcineni kwaba okunye futhi okunye futhi okunye.

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Yebo, nansi thina namuhla.

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Umlawuli: Nansi thina namuhla.

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Yebo, kuyathakazelisa kakhulu ngempela.

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Wawusebenza kakhulu ngesikhathi sobhubhane oluhleliwe.

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Wawuphuma emigwaqweni, emibhikishweni,
awuzange uzibambe ekukhulumeni, wathi nje

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izinto abanye abangeke babe nesibindi sokuzisho.

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Kuzizwa kanjani manje, ngemva kwalesi sikhathi lapho
izinto zingasasebenzi kangako, ukuthola ukuqinisekiswa

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okuvela ezinhlelweni ze-RKI ezisashicilelwe manje?

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Ube usebenza kanzima kakhulu kakhulu kukho.

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Ngilandela lokhu ngokuseduze esiteshini sakho.

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Uwabahlukanise ngempela.

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Ngandlela thile, lokho nakho kuyimisebenzi esiyibona
thina kwa-Kla.TV njengomthwalo wethu: ukurekhoda izinto

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ezenzekile ukuze ekugcineni zicutshungulwe ngendlela efanele.

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Futhi wenze umnikelo obaluleke kakhulu.

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Ngitshele, wathola ini ngalokho?

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Yiziphi izihloko eziyinhloko zalezi ziqondiso ze-RKI?

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Ubusho kaningi kangakanani ukuthi "Akukho okunjalo"?

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Kuyahlanya kangakanani lokho?

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Bodo: Izinqubo ze-RKI zaziyithuba
kimi lokuzindla ngaleso sikhathi.

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Sekudlule isikhathi eside kusukela
ngoMashi 2020, ngesikhathi ngaqala.

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futhi kwezinye izimo kwakungasasebenzi kimi ukukubeka emkhathini.

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Ngakho-ke, ngokwesisekelo somgomo, ngizowuphi isikhathi
engasho ngini, abaphathi bezepolitiki bathini, benzeni?

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Njengoba ngangihlale ngilungiselela ukwethulwa
kwe-PowerPoint kwezividiyo zokuqala futhi ngangisenezethulo,

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ngangikwazi ukuqhathanisa kahle kakhulu izikhathi.

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Ngakho-ke ngangithatha amafayela e-RKI futhi
ngangithatha lokho engikushilo, okungukuthi

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ulwazi engazitholela ngokwami ku-inthanethi.

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Futhi kimi, vele, kwakuwukuqinisekiswa.

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Ngoba uma uphuma obala, ukhuluma ngaphandle
kokucabanga futhi wenza konke engikwenzayo,

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khona-ke ngempela ubeka engcupheni yokwenza iphutha.

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Futhi uma sibheka emuva, ukubona ukuthi ochwepheshe bangempela
eRobert Koch Institute, futhi ngalokho ngicacisa

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ukuthi angisho uLars Schade noma uMnu Wieler, kodwa
abantu ababemi ngemuva kulesi sikomidi sobuchwepheshe.

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Futhi lapho ngibona ukuthi empeleni bafinyelele eziphethweni
ezifana nezami ezikaWolfgang Wodarg, Sucharit Bhakdi, Klaus

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Köhnlein nami – thina sasiyizine zokuqala – ngakolunye uhlangothi
lokho kuqinisekisa ukuthi ungathi, kulungile,

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okungenani angizange ngenze lokhu ngaphandle
kwesizathu, futhi kwakukhona nabanye abantu.

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Abazombusazwe babengafuni nje ukulalela.

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Futhi lokho kusiholela kulokho obekusho ngaso sonke isikhathi.

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Ngathi ekupheleni kukaMashi angicabangi ukuthi lokhu
kuyindaba ye-virus nhlobo, kodwa kuyindaba yezombusazwe.

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Bengishesha kakhulu emavidiyweni ami,
ngathi, ngisho, kumele ukuthi kwakungu-20 Mashi

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lapho ngathi, kukhona okunuka kakhulu lapha.

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Ngafunda emndenini wami ukuthi noma nini laphoabezindaba bebika
kuphela ngendlela eyodwa, kukhona ukuvinjelwa kolwazi

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okwenzeka endaweni ethile, futhi lokhu kuyasolisisa
kakhulu, ngisho nasezimbuso zobuphethe ngokuphelele.

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Futhi yingakho ngicabanga ukuthi ngangiwona wokuqala
ukuxwayisa ukuthi lokho okwenzeka lapha kungase kancane kancane

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kuthathe izimpawu zobuphathekayo, futhi ngabona lesi sixwayiso.

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Ngivela emndenini lapho umkhulu
wami aphila khona ezimpi ezimbili.

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Bengiseduze kakhulu naye, futhi iMpi Yezwe Yokuqala neyokwesibili
kwakuyizihloko zengxoxo endlini yethu. Besihlale

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sinegumbi elingaphansi komhlaba eligcwele izinto,
silungiselele imakethe emnyama nezinye izimo ezingaba khona.

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Ngakho-ke abazali bami babeyizilungiseleli ngenxa
yesipiliyoni sabo sempi, futhi ngaleyo ndlela ngaqaphela

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ukuthi empeleni kwakwenzekani kancane ngaphambi, yebo.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, kuthakazelisa kakhulu.

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Futhi usanda nje ukusho uMashi. Uthetha uMashi ka-2020, akunjalo?

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Bodo: Ividiyo yami yokuqala yayingomhla ka-14 Mashi 2020,
futhi ngomhla ka-20, kumele ngithi, kwacaca kimi ukuthi

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kwakuyibhubhane ohlelwe ngaphambili, hhayi ibhubhane langempela.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, kubi kakhulu.

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Ukuze sibuyele ezinhlelweni ze-RKI
ngendlela ecacile nangokuphathekayo.

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Manje usuqoqe imizuzu, noma lokho okutholile, wabeka
ebhukwini, noma ngempela wawubhala phansi ngokucacile.

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Yini ekumangaze kakhulu kulo lonke lolu cwaningo, noma manje
njengoba usubone izingxenye ezihlisiwe? Noma yiziphi izinto

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ezikubambe kakhulu, ongathi manje ziyizinto ezivelele kuwe siqu?

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Bodo: Ngikubonile lokhu, ngakho angibabeki icala
iqembu lochwepheshe le-RKI, ngoba benze konke abangakwenza.

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Uma babe bekhuluma ngomsindo omkhulu noma baphuma
ngaphandle ukuze babonise ukungavumelani, babe

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sebethathwa indawo ngabantu abangazange bayibhale kahle.

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Uma sibheka amaminithi avela eSwitzerland noma
e-Austria noma eminye imihlangano yezimo

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eziphuthumayo, awabucayi nhlobo njengalawo avela e-RKI.

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Laba basebenzi benza lokho nawe
okwenzayo e-Kla.TV: babhalela phansi.

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Uchaze ngokuningiliziwe ukuthi ubani othe
ini nokuthi nini, futhi uphinde waveza

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ngokusobala ukuthi ubheka isimo ngendlela ehlukile.

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Isibonelo sasiku-25 Mashi, lapho bathi
umugqa wokusabalala kwesifo wawuyacwenga, kanti

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lokhu kwakususelwa kule nani elibizwa nge-R.

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Kwakusele sekuzinzile mhla ziyi-25 kuMashi 2020, kodwa
lokho kwakungekho ukuze kwaziswe umhlaba wangaphandle.

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Bese, ngomhlaka 1 Ephreli, babuza,
ngabe konke kubi kangaka ngempela?

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Kwaqhubeka. Waqaphela ukuthi sasinezibhede
ezanele zamahhala ngemuva komhla ka-9 Ephreli.

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Isizathu esiyinhloko kube njalo ukuthi uhlelo
lwezempilo luzowela ngoba asinazo izibhede ezanele.

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Futhi i-RKI ithi sinezinqwaba zamabhedi zamahhala ezanele.

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Ngisho nasezimo ezimbi kakhulu, singasiza abantu
abavela kwamanye amazwe futhi samukele iziguli zabo.

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Yilokho ikomidi lochwepheshe eliphakamisile.

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Ikomidi lochwepheshe lalisivele liyazi ngomhlaka 27 Ephreli
ukuthi bekukhona ukumelana komzimba kwangaphambilini

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nokuthi cishe amaphesenti angama-40 abantu bonke babeyokumelana.

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Ngakho-ke into eyodwa ilandela enye.

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Wawusho eKhomishini ngomhlaka 29 Ephreli: ngisho nasesimweni
esibi kakhulu, ngeke kube nokwehla kakhulu kohlelo lwezempilo.

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Bekufanele sekuphelile.

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Futhi yilokho okufanayo engizame ukukwenza.

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Babehluphekile ngokuthi abantu abangazange
baxhumane nakho nhlobo babebalwa njengabashonile.

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Ngakho-ke zonke lezi zinto esizigxekile thina njengothisha,
futhi abezindaba abazimele nabo abazigxekile, sezidlulisiwe,

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zigxekiwe, zisekelwe futhi zibhalwe ngaphakathi e-RKI.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, futhi lezo yizihloko
ezivele enqubweni yokuchitha ubufakazi.

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Kodwa kwakungenzeka kanjani lokhu, Bodo, noma babebhale phansi
bathi amandla okwamukela abantu ayekhona,

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noma yini, yonke le mibhalo ebhalwe phansi,
izinyathelo zisathathwa ngokweqile kangaka?

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Kwenzekeni lapho? Lapho, masithi,
lezi ziphakamiso zangaphathwa kanjani?

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Bodo: Kushiwo izikhathi eziningi, ngisho nangamazwi ngqo.

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Ngakho-ke ungakwazi ukulanda lezi zinqubo.

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Ungavula kalula emfundini ye-PDF bese uzifuna.

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Bese uzobona ukuthi sekushiwo kaningi ukuthi isifiso
sezepolitiki kwabanqumayo ukuthi bafuna okuthile nezinye izinto.

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Ngakho-ke izifiso zezepolitiki
zacaciswa futhi kwadingeka ukuthi ziqhutshwe.

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I-RKI empeleni yayinendaba, futhi ngikholwa ukuthi lokhu kwacaca
kwabanye abasebenzi ngokuhamba kwesikhathi;

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okungenani ngiyihumusha kanjalo izimpendulo zabo,
ukuthi basetshenziswa lapha njenge-alibi kuphela.

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Futhi yingakho babhale phansi konke ngokucophelela kangaka,
ngoba babengafuni ekugcineni basetshenziswe njenge-alibi.

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Abanye kini nisho ngisho ukuthi sifuna lokhu
kukhishwa ngaphandle, ukuthi asivumelani nakho.

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Isibonelo, maqondana namamaski, bathi ngqo lokho.

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Futhi uma usesimweni esinjalo, babeyinye
nje yezinhlangano eziningi zokweluleka.

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Kodwa kuba sobala ngokuphelele ukuthi izinqumo zazipolitiki.

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Isifiso sezepolitiki sokuhlolwa, kusho ngomhlaka 29 Juni 2020.

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Sihlala sikhuluma ngesiqalo.

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Sibheka ngempela ukuthi singazithola kuphi izimo ezengeziwe.

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Singakwenza kanjani lokho?

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Konke lokhu kungenxa yokucindezelwa kwabezepolitiki.

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Futhi lokho kuyahlanya.

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Ezinye zezibizo zisho ngisho lapha. Lapho abezepolitiki bethi le
nani lokuqala lwezigameko, eyagcina

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isetshenziswa ukusekela imikhawulo yokuhamba nokunye
okufana nalokho, kwakuyinto eyadalwa abezepolitiki.

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Akukholakali.

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Lezi zingqimba eziyizikilomitha ezinhlanu
ongazihambeli ngaphakathi kwazo ziyizifanekiso zezepolitiki.

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Baphoswe.

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Ukuhlolwa kwamanzi angcolile sekwenqatshiwe.

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Zonke lezi zinto sezilahlwe ngokuphelele.

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Eqinisweni, ngicabanga ukuthi into ehlekisa
kakhulu ngakho kuwukuhlolwa ezikhumulweni zezindiza.

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Ngisho ukuhlolwa kokushisa komzimba ababekwenza lapho.

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I-RKI ithi akubalulekile.

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Lokho ngeke kusebenze.

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Umlawuli: Nakho kukhona lapho, akunjalo?

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Bodo: Yilokho okushiwo, igama negama.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, akukholakali.

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Kodwa lokho futhi kusho ukuthi, noma ngempela, umbuzo
uthi, ngabe kukhona okuthile lapho mayelana nemijovo yokugoma?

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Ngoba ekugcineni bavela.

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Kwathi-ke kwathiwa ukuthi noma ugonyelwe noma ushone,
ukufingqa ngokushesha. Ogonyelwe, ophilile noma oshonile.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kwakuyisisho.

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Ingabe kwathathwa isikhundla ngalokhu kule minithi?

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Bodo: Lena enye yezigameko
ezihlazisayo eyabonakala ngokusobala lapha.

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Kwacaca ukuthi kuzoba nokufa ngenxa yemijovo yokugoma.

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi, bekufanele bayeke, ngoba kwakuphikisana
nokuhlaziywa kwe-RKI ngokwayo ngengozi ebangelwa yilesi sifo.

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Babeyazi ukuthi bekukhona imiphumela emibi emikhulu.

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Kweminye imicimbi, izimo eziyi-1,600 zemiphumela
engemihle zabikwa ePaul Ehrlich Institute ngosuku olulodwa.

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Kodwa-ke yaqhubeka noma kunjalo.

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Kwakucacile ukuthi kwakungekho nhlobo isipiliyoni ngemijovo
ye-mRNA nokuthi lokhu kwakuyinkambu entsha ngokuphelele.

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Futhi lapha kwenziwa isivivinyo ensimini kubantu,
engibona ukuthi angeke sikwazi ukusekelwa lutho ngokomthetho.

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Futhi mina ngokwami ngibeka ingxenye enkulu yokugxeka odokotela.

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Ngoba uma ufaka abantu into engaziwa,
lokho kuwukungenelela ngokomzimba ngempela.

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Futhi udokotela wahlabela izigidi zabantu into ethile wathola
imali eningi ngalokho, ngaphandle kokuba nephakethe lemiyalelo.

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Zaziyizikhwama ezingenalutho.

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Kufanele ngempela uyivumele ukuthi ingene engqondweni yakho.

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Izifaka zephakheji ezingenalutho

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Udokotela uyazisa isiguli ngalokho okumele akwenze, noma ngabe
esebenza ngokusemthethweni, okungeke akwazi ukukwenza nhlobo.

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Udokotela akanakusebenza ngokusemthethweni ngaphandle
kokuba esebenza emabuthweni ezempi noma emabuthweni amaphoyisa.

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Ngaphandle kwalokho, akunakwenzeka ngoba
ukuba udokotela kuyiphrofeshini ezimele.

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Futhi ngokwemithetho yobungcweti, odokotela
abavunyelwe ukwamukela imiyalelo evela kubantu abangewodokotela.

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Akavunyelwe ukwenza lokho.

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Futhi uphoqelekile ngaphansi kweKhodi
yaseNuremberg, iKhodi yaseHelsinki kanye nekhodi

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yokuziphatha kwezokwelapha ukwazisa abantu.

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Futhi mayelana nezingozi ezingase zibe khona.

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I-Pfizer yayazi ngezingozi futhi yazisa ohulumeni
ngalokhu ukuze ithole imvume yesimo esiphuthumayo.

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Kodwa abazange banikezwe odokotela; kunalokho, bavinjwa.

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futhi kwadingeka ukuba ikhishwe
ngokomthetho ngaphansi koMthetho Wenkululeko Yolwazi.

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Futhi zikhishwa kancane kancane kuphela.

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Futhi siyazi kulezi zirekhodi ukuthi odokotela lapha
bagonyela into ethile bengazi nhlobo ukuthi yini abayigonyela.

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Yayiyini isizinda sabo sesayensi?

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Abazange babe nakho nhlobo!

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Bekukhona abezepolitiki abathi lokhu kusebenza
kahle, kuyashesha, kuphephile futhi kuvikela kunoma yini.

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Futhi akukho kulokho okwakuyiqiniso.

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Lezo zaziyizimanga.

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Lokho kuyahlanya.

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Ngakho-ke odokotela, ikakhulukazi uma manje ngicabanga ngemaskhi,
kukhona futhi abantu abasebenza kwezokwelapha emsebenzini.

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Ngakho-ke zonke izinkampani ezinkulu
zinebolekile ukuba namadokotela omsebenzi.

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Kukhona abantu abathola imali yabo, isibonelo, ngokuhlola
ukuthi umuntu ufanelekile yini ukugqoka imaski noma cha.

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Kwabe kufanele bayihlasele, kodwa abazange bayihlasele!

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Futhi wonke la maphuzu ayabonakala kumafayela e-RKI.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi ungabona kumafayela e-RKI ukuthi
kaningi kangakanani futhi ngokuzithiba kanjani

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i-RKI ithi cha, ukugqoka amamaski kuwumbono wobuwula.

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Bafuna ngisho ukuthi amamaski anikezwe kuphela odokotela
ngokubhalwa kwemithi, nokuthi odokotela kumele bahlolisise iziguli

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ukuze banqume ukuthi zifanele yini ukugqoka imaski ye-FFP2.

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Kanti-ke uMnu Söder uvela athi
imaski ze-FFP2 manje seziyimpoqo lapha.

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Yize kwakucacile ukuthi amamaski e-FFP2, uma
ayenikeza noma yiluphi uhlobo lokuvikelwa,

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ayengasebenzi kahle njengamamaski wokuhlinzwa.

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Lokho bekuyezombusazwe.

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... Kwakukhona umuntu owayehlala ethi kwakuyimaskhi yesisebenzi.

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Yilokho nje.

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Lokho kwakuyisibonakaliso
esibonakalayo sokulalela phakathi kwabantu.

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Kwakuyileyo maski.

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Futhi lokho kuyabonakala eziminithini.

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Kodwa i-RKI, njengoba uMnu Wieler ephindisile, futhi
ulungile ngalokhu, ayikaze ibe nomsebenzi wokuphatha.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, kuyathakazelisa kakhulu.

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Bodo: Futhi le mizuzu, ngokwemvelo, yathunyelwa kubo
bonke ababekhulunywe ngabo kuyo, njengaye uJens Spahn.

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Ngakho-ke ulwazi lwalutholakala, vele.

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Futhi iBundeswehr yathola ulwazi, impela.

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Futhi Ihhovisi likaChancellor kanye noMnyango
Kazwelonke Wezempilo bakuthola lokho, impela.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi ochwepheshe bakahulumeni
abazange banakwa, ngoba i-RKI ayiyona inhlangano ezimele,

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iyisikhungo sikahulumeni, futhi abazange balalelwe.

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Kunalokho, kwenziwa okuthile, okwamanje, impela...
kahle, kulabo abakuqondayo, konke akunzima ukukuchaza.

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Ababukeli be-Kla.TV nabo ngokuvamile bayazi kahle ukuthi le nto
yokugoma ayizange yakhiwe ngenxa yegciwane, kodwa kunalokho

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igciwane lakhiwa ngenxa yokugoma okwakukhona kakade,
kusho uReiner Füllmich, engingathi uboshiwe

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njengomuntu oboshwe ngenxa yezombusazwe ejele laseJalimane.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, kuyinto egqame kakhulu.

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Ngakho-ke ngiyamangala kakhulu ukuthi abantu abafana nawe,
abavela emkhakheni wezokwelapha noma abazidokotela, banendlela

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esebenzayo kangaka. Nginesithombe esivela ku-Wikipedia
engqondweni yami, lapho ume ungagqoki imaski

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phambi kweqembu lamaphoyisa, bonke begqoke
ngokuphelele izimaski ze-FFP2 nezimaski zokuzivikela.

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Ngakho-ke, ngendlela ethile, kudinga isibindi
esithile ukusho ukuthi, kulungile, ngingudokotela,

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kodwa manje ngiyazibuza ukuthi yini ebhalelwa lapha.

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Ezombusazwe, useke wathi kaningi manje, kodwa ngicabanga
nokuthi nakumajelo ezeindaba, ingabe lokho kungaba kulungile?

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Eziteshini zezindaba, kwakungathi iziteshi ezinkulu zezindaba
azizange zenze ucwaningo olubanzi lapho. Babengakwazi ukuvunguza

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umnyango we-RKI bese bebabuza, "Heyi, isimo sikhona kanjani?"

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Uyancoma kanjani lokho? Iyini uhlelo manje?

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Kodwa konke empeleni kwakuphathwa ngendlela eyodwa, lapho wabona
ukuthi kwakungekho thuba lokungavumelani

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ezinkundleni zezindaba zomphakathi noma ngisho
nochwepheshe, odokotela, ababecabanga ngendlela evamile.

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Bodo: Sasungula iqembu ngesikhathi sokuvala ngoba
uMthetho Wezinhlangano Zabezepolitiki ubaluleke

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kakhulu kunoMthetho Wokuvikela Ekuthelelekeni futhi

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Sazama ngale ndlela ukubona ukuthi
singahlangana yini nokunye okunjalo.

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Lokho empeleni kwakuyinhloso eyisisekelo ye-Resistance 2020.

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Kwathi-ke ithimba lethelevishini lafika kithi
ekuqeqeshweni ukuze lixoxe noRalf Ludwig nami.

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Kwathi-ke kwavela umuntu osishayela wathi
ungowaleqembu, kulo qembu, nokuthi abantu abane babeza.

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Umuntu oyedwa ongamethemba yikhamera.

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Bonke abanye baye baqondiswa ukuthi bakubonise njengezamaNazi.

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Bazobeka izibamba kuwe.

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Sicela usethe ikhamera futhi
uphikelele ekurekhodeni ividiyo yonke.

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Futhi yilokho esikwenzile.

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Futhi sirekhoda le vidiyo, kanti
uhlelo lwangempela alukaze lusakazwe.

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Lokho kwakuyisibonelo esisodwa.

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Kwabe sekufika isiteshi esihamba phambili sikamabonakude
saseFrance sangivakashela sangingibuzisisa ngalesi sihloko.

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Ekugcineni wangitshela wathi, bathi
bekufanele ngikunikeze ingxoxo ngoba uphithizela.

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Kodwa awulanga, ulungile.

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Lolu hlelo nalo alusakazwanga.

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Wabe esehlangana nami futhi eBerlin ngomhlaka
1 Agasti wathi manje ngisekuseceleni kwakho.

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Ngashiya isiteshi.

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Kodwa lezo zindaba nje ozitshela eziteshini zezindaba.

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Sithole incwadi yangaphakathi evela ku-rbb. Futhi
le ncwadi yathi, ngisho ngisho, nganginayo le

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ncwadi, ngeke kube nokubika okuthambekele eCorona.

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Ngakho-ke, umyalo ovela kumqondisi-jikelele kubo
bonke abalobi bezindaba nezintatheli: ngeke

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kuvunyelwe ukubika okuthambisa ubungozi be-coronavirus.

298
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Kwakukhona ukuhlungwa kolwazi kusukela ekuqaleni.

299
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Kwakukhona indlela ecacile yokwenza izinto.

300
00:23:51,151 --> 00:23:55,820
Futhi njengoba ngishilo, singabona emaminithini
ukuthi konke lokhu akukaze kufakazelwe ngokwesayensi.

301
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Akukaze kufakwe nhlobo.

302
00:23:58,460 --> 00:24:04,246
Ngakho-ke yilokho ngempela
esikutholile thina njengothisha kulezi zinombolo.

303
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Sasisebenzisa kuphela izinombolo ezisemthethweni.

304
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Sithathe izinombolo ku-RKI.

305
00:24:07,986 --> 00:24:12,866
Sithathe izinombolo ezivela eJohns
Hopkins futhi sihlaziye konke lokhu.

306
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Ngahlaziya lokho ngokuzithiba nsuku zonke ohlelweni lwami.

307
00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:23,616
Futhi lokho okwashiwo nguhulumeni
kwakuphambene kakhulu nalokho okwabonakala ezibalo.

308
00:24:23,616 --> 00:24:31,745
Umlawuli: Yebo, kuyamangaza ngempela ukucabanga ukuthi into
enjengale ingaba kanjani, lokho okuchazayo manje ngezindaba.

309
00:24:31,745 --> 00:24:39,806
Ngisho, sesibone lokhu kwenzeka kaningi, ukuthi
amazwi aphikisayo noma ezinye izimvo azivunyelwe.

310
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Ochwepheshe, abake babe ochwepheshe, ososayensi
abahlonishwa kakhulu ngisho nochwepheshe bezimali ngokuzumayo,

311
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masithi, baba izilima ngokuphelele; yilokho abakuboniswa ngakho.

312
00:24:49,312 --> 00:24:54,920
AmaNazi, njengoba wawusho ngaphambilini, yilapho
amaqembu nokubekwa ezigabeni kuvela khona ukuze bawacwase.

313
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,620
Ngokucacile, ucabanga ukuthi into enjengale ingenzeke kanjani?

314
00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:01,020
Imicu ihlangana kuphi?

315
00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:07,280
Ngoba empeleni kuwudaka olungenathemba. Noma-ke,
ngakolunye uhlangothi, kuphathwa kahle kancane.

316
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:14,349
uma imithombo yezindaba inkulu empeleni ikwazile
ukucindezela zonke izindaba eziveza umbono ohlukile, noma

317
00:25:14,349 --> 00:25:18,080
ukuthonya ezombusazwe ngendlela yokuthi wonke umuntu alandele.

318
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Lokho kuyahlanya.

319
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,286
Bodo: Kufanele uqonde, ngangijwayelekile kuze kube ngu-2020.

320
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Bengingazi lutho ngalokho.

321
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:39,226
Lokho kwakungekho nhlobo... Yebo, konke engikushoyo namuhla
kwakuyizwi elingahlangene kimi futhi angikwazanga ukukubikezela.

322
00:25:39,226 --> 00:25:45,000
Kufanele uqonde ukuthi empeleni
sinabaphathi bezepolitiki abangathathi zinqumo nhlobo.

323
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Futhi kunokurekhodwa okuhle kakhulu kukaHorst
Seehofer okusho ukuthi labo abakhethiwe abanandaba

324
00:25:52,512 --> 00:25:56,840
kulolu daba, kanti labo abenza izinqumo abakhethwanga.

325
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,340
WayenguNgqongqoshe Wezempilo.

326
00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:07,230
Lena yisitatimende esivela ngqo kumuntu owayenguNgqongqoshe
kahulumeni kazwelonke, owangena kulesi simo

327
00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:15,873
mhlawumbe ngomdlandla omkhulu nangenhloso enhle
kakhulu, ecabanga ukuthi manje ngizoshintsha izinto.

328
00:26:15,873 --> 00:26:18,180
wabona ukuthi wayengeke akwazi ukukwenza.

329
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:23,613
Lokhu kusho ukuthi empeleni sinohulumeni
wethunzi, futhi ngokusobala usebenza emhlabeni wonke.

330
00:26:23,613 --> 00:26:29,055
Futhi ngokushesha nje lapho umpolitiki
esesikhundleni, umuntu uza kuye egqoke isudi

331
00:26:29,055 --> 00:26:33,120
ehlakaniphile futhi umnikela ngezinketho ezahlukene.

332
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:40,046
Yebo, lokho kungabonakala, isibonelo, njengokuthi
ethi, yebo, mhlawumbe manje usuwazi uJohn F. Kennedy.

333
00:26:40,046 --> 00:26:43,552
Ngesinye isikhathi, naye wayeka ukudlala ndawonye.

334
00:26:43,552 --> 00:26:46,314
Uyazi ukuthi senza kanjani ngaleso sikhathi?

335
00:26:46,314 --> 00:26:47,620
Kulungile, yebo.

336
00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:52,173
Noma uMnu. Ohoven noma uMnu.
Barschel noma omunye umuntu ofana nalabo.

337
00:26:52,173 --> 00:26:54,960
Lokho kusho ukuthi kufanele ngempela
ukucabanga ngakho ngaleyo ndlela ecacile kangaka.

338
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:01,195
Abantu abangena kuhulumeni, ezimweni
eziningi, bayakuthanda ngempela – hhayi bonke,

339
00:27:01,195 --> 00:27:04,120
kodwa abanye – futhi bangena ngendlela efanele.

340
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:13,103
Kwathi-ke kwavela omunye umuntu wathi kubo, "Kuhle ukuthi
ucabanga ukuthi kusebenza kanjalo, kodwa empeleni, mngane wami,

341
00:27:13,103 --> 00:27:21,740
lokhu akuyona idemokhrasi. Esikhundleni salokho, sikhokhela
uMnu. S. le mali, uNkk. B. le mali, noMnu. H. le mali."

342
00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:26,688
futhi benza lokho esikufunayo
ngoba sinamavidiyo abo athakazelisayo.

343
00:27:26,688 --> 00:27:32,128
Futhi, Bodo, njengoba sikhuluma
ngamavidiyo, uyakhumbula lowo msitho?

344
00:27:32,128 --> 00:27:33,740
Iphuzu, iphuzu, iphuzu.

345
00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:40,339
Lokho kusho ukuthi udala ukuncika, futhi ngokuhamba
kwesikhathi kwavela okuthile, njengase-World Economic

346
00:27:40,339 --> 00:27:44,260
Forum, lapho baqeqesha khona izikhulu zabo bese nje bezifaka.

347
00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:47,353
Ngisho, njengamanje siyabona isibonelo
esihle kakhulu salokhu kuNksz von der Leyen.

348
00:27:47,353 --> 00:27:57,621
Yebo, bonke empeleni bayaphikisa ukuthi aqhubeke nokuhola i-EU,
lapho angayalela khona izigidigidi ngomlayezo wombhalo, ngokuthi

349
00:27:57,621 --> 00:28:02,700
nje. Akucabangiwe, ngokuphelele akuhambisani nentando yeningi.

350
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:07,068
Ngokuvamile bekufanele ahlale ejele elijulile
kunawo wonke, kodwa esikhundleni salokho uphinde abe

351
00:28:07,068 --> 00:28:09,500
uMongameli we-EU, futhi yilokho ngempela okwenzekayo.

352
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:18,323
Ngamanye amazwi, lapha ungabona ukuthi izidlaliso ziqeqeshwa
bese zisatshalaliswa kuzo zonke iziphalamende, ukuze uKlaus

353
00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:22,833
Schwab akwazi ukuhlala phansi athi uyangenela iziphalamende.

354
00:28:22,833 --> 00:28:27,260
futhi ingxenye enkulu yamapharamente
yayivele iyizinkokheli zomhlaba ezintsha naye.

355
00:28:27,260 --> 00:28:28,740
Lokho kuwukugeza ingqondo.

356
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:35,700
Lokho kusho ukuthi laba bantu babekwe kulesi
simo, futhi vele unenzuzo engabi khona kwabanye.

357
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:42,360
Ake sicabange ukuthi sinomqhudelwano
weYurophu ongokoqobo oqhubeka eJalimane njengamanje.

358
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,480
futhi-ke une umdlalo webhola lezinyawo, masithi, eFrankfurt

359
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,900
futhi-ke unenqaba yokundiza ebusuku eFrankfurt

360
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:54,848
Futhi-ke uzoba uNgqongqoshe Wezangaphandle
ongokoqobo ongakhwela indiza engokoqobo naphezu

361
00:28:54,848 --> 00:28:58,232
kwesivimbelo sokundiza ebusuku, bese uzindizela eLuxembourg.

362
00:28:58,232 --> 00:29:02,360
Ungakwenzile lokho ngemoto, akukude kangako.

363
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,055
Ngakho-ke, nakuba abadlali bebhola lezinyawo enkundleni
bengavunyelwe ukwenza kanjalo kulo

364
00:29:06,055 --> 00:29:10,560
mqhudelwano weYurophu oqondweni, uNgqongqoshe
Wezangaphandle oqondweni uyavunyelwa ukwenza kanjalo.

365
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:17,376
Futhi ujabulele lezi zinzuzo ezinjalo: unejethi yakho yangasese
enkulu njenge-Boeing, hhayi nje into encane

366
00:29:17,376 --> 00:29:22,880
efana naleyo uBill Gates ayindizayo, kodwa
undiza ngesizimoto sezindiza sikahulumeni.

367
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,020
Awusoze uphinde ulahlekelwe isikhundla esinjalo.

368
00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:32,368
Ngesikhathi sokundiza, ungacela umdwebi wakho wobuso ongu-137,000
euro, okufanele ngempela akhokhelwe

369
00:29:32,368 --> 00:29:38,760
izinkokhelo ezengeziwe zasebusuku, ukuthi akulungise
futhi ukuze ubukeke kahle lapho ufika eLuxembourg.

370
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Akulungile.

371
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:46,092
Uma siqhubeka sinika abezepolitiki izinzuzo ezifana
nokungadingeki bahlale ezithibeni zezimoto

372
00:29:46,092 --> 00:29:53,060
nokuvunyelwa ukuba bahambe ngama-jumbo jet ngesikhathi
kuvinjelwe izindiza ebusuku, lokhu kuzoqhubeka kwenzeka.

373
00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:59,859
Ngoba uma usesimweni esinjalo futhi mhlawumbe
awukakayinqamuli isikole, kodwa ngeshwa

374
00:29:59,859 --> 00:30:03,860
uyinhloko yeqembu elithile, awusoze ufuna ukuyilahla.

375
00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:10,440
Futhi ngemva kokusebenza isikhathi esisodwa esikhundleni, uthola
umhlalaphansi ophakeme kunalowo osebenze impilo yakhe yonke.

376
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:18,320
Akulungile lokho, futhi inqobo nje uma abezepolitiki
beqhubeka bezijabulela lezi zinzuzo, ngeke sishintshe lutho.

377
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Umlawuli: Yebo, ngiyabonga. Hhayi-ke,
incazelo enhle impela. Inikeza isithombe esiphelele.

378
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,113
Konke kungamanga nje, vele,
kuhlanganise noNgqongqoshe Wezangaphandle.

379
00:30:25,113 --> 00:30:28,220
Angicabangi ukuthi kukhona umuntu
owaziyo ngokunembile ukuthi usho ukuthini.

380
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:36,118
Ngakho-ke uma sithatha laba abahamba phambili njengesisekelo
sethu, ngizobabiza nje abantu abanelungelo lokwenza lezi

381
00:30:36,118 --> 00:30:44,445
zinqumo; ngithi abezepolitiki, abacindezela imithombo yezindaba,
noma ngisho nje ngithi bashayela phambili izinhlelo zabo.

382
00:30:44,445 --> 00:30:48,138
Uyini umbono wakho ngesivumelwano somhlaba
wonke se-WHO sokubhekana nobhubhane?

383
00:30:48,138 --> 00:30:50,453
Ingabe manje sesingasasekho ohlwini lokukhethwa?

384
00:30:50,453 --> 00:30:51,373
Ngabe kukhona okwengeziwe okuzayo?

385
00:30:51,373 --> 00:30:55,929
Noma konke lokhu ekugcineni kuzodluliselwa
ngasemnyango wangemuva ngamazwe, ukuze sonke

386
00:30:55,929 --> 00:30:59,000
sigcine sicabanga, yeh, ekugcineni ngeke kwenzeke?

387
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,960
Ucabanga ukuthi kuzokwenzekani ngokulandelayo?

388
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:07,011
Bodo: Ngeshwa, abezepolitiki abanakho nhlobo
ukuthakazelela lokho esikwenzayo. Esikhundleni

389
00:31:07,011 --> 00:31:10,560
salokho, balandela umbhalo, futhi lo mbhalo udlalwa.

390
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:18,709
Futhi uma ungabaza, ufaka okunye phakathi noma udlulisa umthetho
usebenzisa inqubo ye-omnibus, ngakho manje, ngaphezu kokunyuswa

391
00:31:18,709 --> 00:31:24,311
komholo kwabasebenzi bezikole zingane, nithi
futhi siyenza imijovo yomuthi kube yimpoqo,

392
00:31:24,311 --> 00:31:27,392
futhi ngasikhathi sinye siyigcwalisa leyo nto.

393
00:31:27,392 --> 00:31:34,206
Lezi zinto empeleni zivinjwe, kodwa ngesikhathi sobhubhane
imithetho yayihlala idlula ngokushesha ezinqubweni ze-omnibus.

394
00:31:34,206 --> 00:31:35,885
Lokho kusho ukuthi ngeke ngisho uqaphele.

395
00:31:35,885 --> 00:31:43,512
Ngesinye isikhathi, kwakuzoba yinyaniso futhi abantu ngeke
bayibuze, ngoba-ke i-ARD, i-ZDF nabasolwa abajwayelekile babeza

396
00:31:43,512 --> 00:31:48,701
bathi, yebo, yilokho okwenzekile ekuvotweni
komphakathi, iqembu labantwana abancane

397
00:31:48,701 --> 00:31:52,480
eBuxtehude linqume kanjalo, yingakho manje sekunjalo.

398
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,066
Umlawuli: Yebo, kuyathakazelisa.

399
00:31:55,066 --> 00:31:58,300
Ngakho-ke usho ukuthi lolu hlelo luzoqhubeka lulandelwa.

400
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:03,505
Manje siyabona ukuthi sithola imininingwane evela yonke
indawo okwamanje, okungukuthi nge-pandemic X noma

401
00:32:03,505 --> 00:32:06,613
i-Corona 2.0. Kunezinto eziningi kakhulu ezifika okwamanje.

402
00:32:06,613 --> 00:32:10,825
Ngisho, kuyacaca ngokuphelele ukuthi uma sebeqedile ngempumelelo
ukudlala ingxenye yobhubhane onjengalona futhi

403
00:32:10,825 --> 00:32:15,140
ingxoxo yokubuyekeza ingakenzeki okwamanje, kumele
iqhubeke kwenye indawo. Lokho nakho kuyacaca ngokuphelele.

404
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:20,173
Umbuzo nje ukuthi, uyilinganisa kanjani, lokho kwenzeka kanjani?

405
00:32:20,173 --> 00:32:25,180
Bodo: Ngakho-ke lokho esikubonayo
kuyinguqulo ephezulu kakhulu yokwahlukanisa nokubusa.

406
00:32:25,180 --> 00:32:30,832
Lokho kusho ukuthi kunabantu lapha abavule
amaphuzu amaningi kangangokuba ubuntu sebubhujiswe

407
00:32:30,832 --> 00:32:34,200
ngokuphelele futhi bahlukaniswe babe amakamu ahlukene.

408
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,392
Kukhona abakholelwa ku-Disease X, kukhona
abakholelwa ku-bird flu, omunye umuntu ukholelwa

409
00:32:39,392 --> 00:32:42,760
ku-monkeypox, omunye umuntu ukholelwa entweni engingazi.

410
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:49,846
Lokho kusho ukuthi labo abangabandakanyeki kulokhu, nina
nibathatha nendaba yempi yase-Ukraine, i-Israel nezinye izindaba.

411
00:32:49,846 --> 00:32:53,393
Lokho kusho ukuthi manje usuwuvule umehluko ophezulu.

412
00:32:53,393 --> 00:32:59,545
Lokhu kusho ukuthi manje sebazame konke
okusemandleni abo ukuhlukanisa abantu.

413
00:32:59,545 --> 00:33:01,140
Futhi kumele ngisho, baphumelele.

414
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:09,275
Ngakho-ke lapho ngibheka lokhu, ngibona abantu abaningi bephuma
emigwaqweni beziveza ukungavumelani kwabo nabantu abangakaze

415
00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:14,983
babaphikisele iminyaka emine. Okukhethekile
ngeQuerdenken, Querdenker nemibhikisho yami

416
00:33:14,983 --> 00:33:18,520
kwakuwukuthi asikaze sibe nemibhikisho yokuphikisa.

417
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:25,026
Abantu ngempela bayibukele ngentshisekelo, kodwa-ke,
njengoba sesishilo izikhathi ezimbalwa, kudlalwa ikhadi

418
00:33:25,026 --> 00:33:28,755
lamaNazi, bese okubi kakhulu, abantu bayakholelwa kukho.

419
00:33:28,755 --> 00:33:30,200
Yilokho okungajwayelekile

420
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:36,178
Ngakho-ke ungabe wawenza umkhuba endaweni ethile lapho
wawuyiJalimane oyedwa ngoba bonke abanye babengabokufika,

421
00:33:36,178 --> 00:33:39,405
kodwa-ke kwavela umuntu wathi ngokuzumayo ukuthi ungumNazi.

422
00:33:39,405 --> 00:33:41,606
Kuyamangalisa.

423
00:33:41,606 --> 00:33:46,727
Kubuhlungu ekuqaleni, kuze kube sekugcineni
uqonda ukuthi umhlaba usebenza ngendlela ehlukile.

424
00:33:46,727 --> 00:33:48,832
bese ungakwazi ukubhekana nakho ngokuzumayo

425
00:33:48,832 --> 00:33:53,380
kodwa esikubona lapha kuwukudideka okuphelele nje,

426
00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:57,300
futhi akubalulekile ukuthi woyesaba ini.

427
00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:00,860
Futhi manje wamukelekile ukungena ebhubhuleni yethu.

428
00:34:00,860 --> 00:34:08,440
Ngakho-ke uma manje usebubhuleni bethu, usaba ukulahlekelwa
yizicubu, imisebe yasemkhathini, noma yini engazi ukuthi iyini.

429
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,780
Ngakho-ke ngaphakathi kwebhubhu
yethu, ukwesaba okuningi kuyavuswa.

430
00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:22,300
Futhi yingakho ngithi sizoba nezinkinga zokukhipha
amanzi echibini, ngoba thina uqobo sesijule kulo.

431
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:27,080
Umlawuli: Yebo. Ngakho-ke lo mthetho
wokwahlukanisa nokubusa uyiphuzu elithakazelisayo kakhulu.

432
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:33,867
Njengoba sisondela ekupheleni kwengxoxo yethu, noma ngempela
embuzweni wokugcina, ngingathanda kakhulu ukwazi ukuthi ungathini

433
00:34:33,867 --> 00:34:38,538
umyalezo ofuna ukuwudlulisa kubabukeli ngenxa yazo
zonke lezi zinkinga, izimo eziphuthumayo kanye

434
00:34:38,538 --> 00:34:41,260
nazo zonke izinto ezenzekile manje ezisiphambi kwethu.

435
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:47,000
Kungaba yini lokho, lapho ungathi lokho kungaba
isincomo sami sezokwelapha, ukudlulisela kanjalo?

436
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,416
Unganikeza izeluleko ezibukelayo ngalesi sikhathi?

437
00:34:52,416 --> 00:34:57,400
Bodo: Kulungile, okokuqala, ngicabanga ukuthi sonke sizofa.

438
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,384
Bodo: Kodwa hhayi ku-coronavirus futhi hhayi ku-Isifo X.

439
00:35:00,384 --> 00:35:04,256
Ngakho-ke ngizongeza kulokho engikushilo kuvidiyo yami yokuqala.

440
00:35:04,256 --> 00:35:10,320
Futhi-ke kukhona ingoma emangalisayo eyenziwe
umuntu obizwa ngokuthi Mathias Family and Friends.

441
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,720
futhi unengoma ebizwa ngokuthi "Stand Up".

442
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:21,213
Futhi engingakusho kubabukeli bami noma
kubabukeli bakho ukuthi, nime niphakamise amazwi enu.

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Vuka ubonise ubuso bakho!

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Futhi lokho bekuyoba yinto okufanele siyibone, ukuthi akuncike
kuMathias Ebert noma kuKla.TV noma kuIvo Sasek futhi akuncike

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kuBodo Schiffmann, kodwa kunabantu abasibukelayo okwamanje.

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Umlawuli: Kuhle kakhulu.

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Bodo: Uma beqhubeka besiphatha sengathi singuMnu. Lanz noma
ngubani, futhi besisebenzisa nje, akukho okuzoshintsha.

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Esikhundleni salokho, sidinga abantu abaningi abazomile
ngokuqinile esiphepho lapho bekungabaza, ukuze zonke

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izizwe ekugcineni zibone uNkulunkulu ngaphakathi kwazo.

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Umlawuli: Ngingasho kuphela amen kulokho!

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Bodo othandekayo, lokho bekuyisisho sokuvala esihle kakhulu.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi futhi kuyumyalezo omuhle kakhulu kubabukeli,
wokuthi akufanele balahle ithemba ngakho konke lokhu.

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Kungakhathaliseki ukuthi singaphakathi noma ngaphandle kwebhubhu
lethu, kukhona ithemba ukuthi ngelinye ilanga le bhubhu

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lizonyamalala futhi abantu bazobuyela emqondweni wabo wobumbano.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi kuyamangalisa indlela oziphatha
ngayo izinto, nokuthi ufika kanjani enhliziyweni yendaba.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngale ngxoxo.

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Ngikholelwa ukuthi sizokuqhubeka, sizohamba phambili.

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Njengoba ngishilo, ususe izingxenye
zama-protocole e-RKI, ngakho-ke sizohlala siqapha lokho.

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Awukwazi ukufaka into enjalo ohlelweni, akunakwenzeka.

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Kodwa ngiyabonga ngokuyihlaziya
ngokucophelela kangaka njengodokotela.

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Ngingathi ngisho nezakhamuzi ezijwayelekile njengathi
zingaqonda kancane ukuthi empeleni kwenzekeni lapho.

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Futhi ngikholelwa ukuthi lokhu kubaluleke
kakhulu kangangokuthi kuzosisiza ukuthi

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sizwisise okwenzekile esikhathini esedlule kamuva.

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Ngakho-ke, ngiyabonga kakhulu futhi, ngikufisela okuhle
kakhulu, futhi ngibheke ngabomvu ingxoxo yethu elandelayo.

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Bodo: Ngiyabonga ngomemo, bekumnandi.

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Umethuli: Zinake, Bodo!