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Karl Hummitzsch: Oosopolitiki abazange bazenzile isigqibo sabo
besekelwe kumaxwebhu e-RKI, oko kukuthi,

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ibisisigqibo sezopolitiko, isigqibo sezopolitiko esenziwe
nje ngokungekho mthethweni ngaphandle kobungqina.

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Kwaye kuthi, oko kuthetha ukuba yonke ityala
enkundleni elisekelwe kwisigqibo esilolu hlobo

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sezopolitiko luyingxoxo-mthetho yezopolitiko. Umlawuli:

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Umbutho wamalungelo oluntu i-United For Freedom
umeme iintatheli kwinkomfa noonondaba apha

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kummandla waseTaunus namhlanje, umhla we-17 kuJuni 2024.

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Kuzakuxoxwa ngemixholo eyahlukeneyo.

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Phakathi kwabanye, u-Uwe Kranz noKarl Hummitzsch baza kuthetha
ngesihloko esithi: Amabanjwa ezopolitiko namalungelo oluntu.

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Karl Hummitzsch: Ngoko ke lo mbuzo uyaqhubeka uvela,
umbuzo osuselwe kuko: Yintoni kanye kanye esiyiphumezileyo?

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Ngoko ke, kukho abantu ezitratweni ebusika,
ekhephini, njalo njalo, kuyo yonke iJamani,

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imibhikisho yangoMvulo, eyenzeka kwakhona namhlanje.

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Ngoko ke abantu abaziveza, abakho phandle, benza igalelo
elibaluleke kakhulu, kwaye oko kufuneka kuqhubeke kunjalo. Kwaye

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yiyo loo nto ndingathanda ukuthatha eli thuba ukubulela
ngokunyanisekileyo bonke abantu kulo lonke elaseJamani abasoloko

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beqhuba iibhikisho nabangazimiselanga kunikezela,
kuba, njengoko benditshilo: ayikapheli, iyaqhubeka,

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njengoko le nkomfa noonondaba nayo ikwenza kucace gca.

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Kwaye sikhuthaza wonke umntu ukuba aqhubeke, nto leyo kuthi
ithetha ukwenza oko kufunekayo kanye apha, kwaye sinethemba

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elikhulu kwaye sinomoya omhle, njengoko
nibona, kwaye sikulungele ukulwa ngaphakathi

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kwemida yamathuba, amathuba asemthethweni esinawo.

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Kwaye siyathemba ukuba asizukohlwaywa, kuba
ukungabikho kobulungisa akunakuhlala ixesha elide.

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Kufuneka sikwakhumbule ukuba iofisi yomtshutshisi
woluntu ixhomekeke kurhulumente, njengoko kunjalo ne-RKI.

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Bathotyelwa imiyalelo, ne-ofisi yomtshutshisi woluntu nayo
ithotyelwa imiyalelo, oko kukuthi ungayalela umtshutshisi

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woluntu: Ungavumela abakwicala lasekhohlo... bafumane amatyala
angenabungozi njengamatyala enkundla, kwaye abakwicala

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lasekunene, abangobundlobongela, kuxhomekeke kwindlela
i-ofisi yomtshutshisi woluntu evakalelwa ngayo ngelo xesha.

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Asinakuyitshintsha le nto; ikhuthazwe
yezopolitiko, kwaye okwangoku siyayiphila le meko kwezi

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zityholo zezopolitiko enxulumene nezatifikethi zezimaski.

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Apha, i-ofisi yomtshutshisi woluntu
iyacelwa ukuba ithathe amanyathelo athile.

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Silindele ukuba amagqwetha-zibheno athobele indima
ababelwe yona ngumthetho, phantsi komthetho waseJamani.

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Ukuba babenjenjalo, izinto
zazingakubonakala ngendlela eyahluke kakhulu.

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Kwaye apha sibona ithuba njengentshukumo yamalungelo oluntu
lokutsala umdla wamagqwetha kulo mba kwiinkqubo zenkundla:

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Yintoni kanye kanye eyenza ukuba kube lutyando
lwezopolitiko apha, kwaye yintoni engayenziyo?

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Nam ndingaphawula ngaloo nto.

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Inkqubo engeyopolitiki ibiya kuba yindibano
yokumamela ubungqina enkundleni yamatyala.

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Ngoko ke, xa sithatha ngokuba amanyathelo e-RKI echanekile, yonke
into eyayikho, uze uthethathethane ngokusekelwe kuloo nto –

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uze uthi, ewe, yile nto ithethwe yi-RKI kwaye yonke ichanekile.

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Sazi thina sodwa ukuba i-RKI ithe into eyahluke ngokupheleleyo.

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Loo nto ibingesiso isigqibo sezopolitiko;
ayizange igqitywe ngokusekelwe kumaxwebhu e-RKI.

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Ngamanye amazwi, esi sisigqibo sezopolitiko, isigqibo
sezopolitiko esenziwe nje ngokungekho sizathu ngaphandle

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kobungqina, kwaye kuthi oko kuthetha: Yonke
ityala lasenkundleni elisekelwe kwisigqibo

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sezopolitiko esinjalo luyingxoxo-mthetho yezopolitiko.

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Siyibona ngolo hlobo, kwaye seso isizathu sokuba ngoku
siqokelele amatyala enkundla agqitywe ngokusekelwe kule nto.

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Abagwebi bebengenakukwazi oku kwangaphambili, kuba
bebengazakuba phantsi kwale ngxelo karhulumente.

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Ngoku sinamaphepha e-RKI, ngoku sinesiseko somthetho esitsha
ngokupheleleyo, kwaye ngaloo nto ngoku siya

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phambili sisithi: Hayi, ngeso siseko, le yinkqubo
yezopolitiko, kwaye ke ngoko ngabantu ababizwayo.

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Uwe Kranz: uBianca Witzschel ugwetywe
namhlanje iminyaka emibini neenyanga ezisibhozo.

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Oku kubonisa ukuba asikho kwindlela echanekileyo apha kwaye
iinkundla azicingi nokucinga ngokuqhuba iinkqubo

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zenkundla ezisekelwe kubungqina – izigwebo zenkundla –
kwaye kusafuneka sisebenze kakhulu ukuze silungise oku.

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Karl Hummitzsch: Ndibe namava anjalo
kwityala lasemgqatsweni elikhoyo ngoku eHamburg.

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Ityala elinzima ngokwenene liyenzeka eHamburg, enkundleni.

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Kungoko siqokelele amaxwebhu esijonge ukuwanikezela enkundleni.

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Inyaniso yeyokuba isigwebo ekubhekiselwa kuso
nguwe (Uwe Kranz) namhlanje sisekelwe kwimeko endala.

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Amaxwebhu e-RKI njl.njl. akabandakanywanga kule fomu,
ngokoluvo lwam, kuba kungenjalo bekuya kucaca ukuba oku

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kuvela kwi-RKI nje... Ngoko ke wonke umntu unoluvo olunye.

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Yinto enye leyo. Kufuneka kucace ukuba esi sigqibo sikhuthazwe
yipolitiki kuphela, kwaye sixhaswa ziimpolitiki zodwa. Ngoko ke

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le yinkqubo yezopolitiko ngokucacileyo, kwaye
asiyifuni loo nto eJamani. Asifuni amabanjwa

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ezopolitiko nezinto ezinjalo, nto leyo enokwenzeka apha.

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Ndicinga ukuba inkundla ikholelwa ukuba
ingavelisa ubungqina obuthile obudala apha.

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Asizukuvuma ngaloo nto.

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Kwaye kanye la ngawona meko siwajongileyo ngoku, kwaye sithatha
ngokuba zonke iinkqubo ze-mask zibhekisa

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kwesi siseko sakudala. Sinakho konke kulungile
– kwaye sithatha amanyathelo ngokuchaseneyo.

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Sinezi ziganeko, ndinazo zonke apha. Kwaye
singena phakathi sijonge ukuba zeziphi

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iindlela esinazo njengombutho wamalungelo oluntu.

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Yindlela eyahluke ngokupheleleyo kuneyegqwetha
okanye yomtshutshisi kunye nejaji. Siliqumrhu lamalungelo

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oluntu. Kwaye eso sisigaba esahluke ngokupheleleyo.

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Ndifunela wonke umntu uhambo olukhuselekileyo ndize
ndibulele wonke umntu ngegalelo labo elakhayo namhlanje.
