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Ulwazi jikelele malunga nemimiselo esemthethweni kunye
nemithetho ye-AZK lunokufunyanwa ekupheleni kwentetho.

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Wow, wow, hayi usuku!

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Ngoku siyaqhubeka.

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Sifika kwinkwenkwezi elandelayo.

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Ngoku siza kugxila kungquzulwano lwaseMbindi Mpuma kumjikelo
olandelayo kwaye siza kuba nethuba lokubuza imibuzo yethu

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evusa impikiswano kwelinye igqala lezintatheli elihlala eJapan.

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Kwaye uza kudliwa umbhinqo ngentatheli
yethu emangalisayo yeKla.TV, uDan wase-USA.

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IJapan, iUSA, nathi apha eSwitzerland – ngoko ke ngeli xesha
sijongene nomahluko wexesha weeyure ezili-15 phakathi

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kwaba bantu babini, kunye nomahluko wexesha weeyure ezisixhenxe
ukuya kwezibhozo phakathi kwabo nathi apha eSwitzerland.

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Siyakubulela ngeenkonzo zakho
ezixabisekileyo kwaye sijonga ibhayografi yobani?

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NguJames Corbett.

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James, siyakudinga!

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UJames Corbett wazalelwa wakhulela eKhanada.

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Ugqibe izifundo zakhe eTrinity College eDublin,
eIreland, efumana isidanga seMaster of Philosophy.

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Emva kokufudukela eJapan, uJames Corbett waseka iwebhusayithi ethi
"The Corbett Report" ngo-2007 njengeqonga lohlalutyo oluzimeleyo

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nolugxekayo lwezopolitiko, uluntu, imbali kunye noqoqosho.

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Ngelo xesha, wayeyilawula iwebhusayithi ecaleni
komsebenzi wakhe wokuba ngutitshala wesiNgesi.

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Malunga neminyaka emine kamva, waba
yintatheli yophando esebenza ngokusisigxina.

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Ukusukela ngoko, ufumene amabhaso amaninzi ngomsebenzi wakhe
wobuntatheli kwaye ebesisithethi esifunwayo kwiiyunivesithi

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ezahlukeneyo, kwi-TEDxGorningen naphambi kwamakomiti obhukuthelo
azimeleyo afana neNational Citizens Inquiry eKhanada.

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Kule minyaka idlulileyo, uJames Corbett ukhuphe iidocumentary
ezininzi ezityhila lukhulu, ezifana ne "9/11: The

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Suspects", "A Century of Enslavement: The History of
the Federal Reserve" kunye ne "Who is Bill Gates?"

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Uphando lwakhe olunzulu luyafumaneka elubala
kwiwebhusayithi yakhe nakwiitshaneli ezininzi kwiinkulungwane

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zeziqendu zeepodcasts, udliwano-ndlebe nezinye iindlela.

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Unebalandeli ezingaphezu kwama-300,000
kumajelo akhe onxibelelwano kuphela.

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Ngo-2018, wasungula ibhaso elingelilo elihle lonyaka
elibizwa ngokuba yi-"Fake News Awards", elirekhoda

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ezona ndaba zikruquliweyo kumajelo eendaba aphambili.

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UJames Corbett uthetha namhlanje ngesihloko esithi
"Ingxabano yaseMbindi Mpuma nemali yebhanki

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engundoqo yedijithali: imeko eyoyikeka ngokugqithisileyo!"

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James Corbett, enkosi kakhulu ngokuphinda wahlanganyela nathi.

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Akukho ngxaki.

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Namhlanje siza kuxoxa ngemfazwe eseMbindi Mpuma kunye nee-CBDC .

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Ngoko ke, ukuba ulungile kwaye
nabaphulaphuli bethu balungile, masiye ngqo emxholweni.

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Babukeli abathandekayo, nikulungele?

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Masiqale ngale nto: Uchaze umhla we-7
ka-Okthobha njenge-9/11 yase-Israel .

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Kutheni kunjalo? Ezi zinto zimbini zihambelana njani?

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Kulungile, ngokucacileyo andindedwa oyisebenzisileyo le ntetho.

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Enyanisweni, amajelo eendaba aphambili asebenzise olu
binzana kamsinya nje emva kohlaselo lwango-7 Okthobha.

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Kwaye, ewe, basebenzisa le ntetho ngokunxulumene nentlaselo
yobunqolobi emangalisayo nekhulu, eyayingeyiyo le nto

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sasixelelwa ukuba yiyo, kwaye ethethelela imfazwe
eqhubekayo, ekucingelwa ukuba ayipheli, yokulwa nobunqolobi.

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Ndiyisebenzisa le ntlekiso ngendlela eyahluke ngokupheleleyo
kuba, njengoko abo bazi umsebenzi wam besazi, ndizihlalutye

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kakhulu iintlaselo zobunqolobi zomhla we-11 kuSeptemba ezaziwa
ngokuba zizihlaselo ze-false flag, ndijonga izinto

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ngeendlela ezininzi ezahlukeneyo, kuquka ukulandelela imali
kunye nemidlalo yemfazwe eyayisenzeka ngomhla we-9/11.

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Kwaye nokuphicothwa kwabanye abarhanelwa nabantu
ababandakanyekayo kwiziganeko zika-11 Septemba, abasebenzi

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bezobuntlola kunye nee-arhente
ezisebenzisana ngenkuthalo ne-Al-CIAda, eyaziwa

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njenge-Al-Qaeda, kwaye ngeendlela ezininzi bayadala.

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Ngoko ke, xa ndisithi umhla we-7 ku-Okthobha yayili-11 kaSeptemba
yase-Israel, ndithetha oko kulo mongo, njengesiganeko

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esicwangcisiweyo okanye esivusweyo sokuzifihla
esasetyenziselwa ukuthethelela i-ajenda yezomkhosi

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neyopolitiko eyayisele igqitywe kwangaphambili.

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Xa usithi imfazwe ayisoze iphele, ndikubona oku
njengokuba i-Israel inezinjongo ezicacileyo eGaza.

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Uyabona nawaphi na amathuba okuphelisa le mfazwe yaseGaza?

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Iza kuphela njani? Ingaba kufanele iphele?

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Ndithetha ukuthi, into engenasiphelo yeyokuba ukuba baqhubeka
benabo iintshaba ezibangqongileyo, baya

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kuhlala bexhaphaza uButyebi baseMelika ukuze
kugcinwe ukuhanjiswa kwezixhobo zokulwa kuqhuba.

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Kodwa njengoko sithetha ngeGaza, ngaba ubona isiphelo sale meko?

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Ngelishwa, ndiyabona ukuba kungaphela njani.

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Kwaye ngelishwa, uninzi lwezinye iindlela azimnandi.

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Zibandakanya ukutshabalaliswa kwabantu
basePalestina kwiSiphaluka saseGaza.

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Iministe kwipalamente yase-Israel emininzi
ibikhankanye oku, ithetha ngentshabalaliso yeGaza

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Strip okanye ukutshabalaliswa kwabantu basePalestine.

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Kwaye ngelishwa, aba bantu ngokwendalo bayahoywa njengathi:
"Owu, ziqela nje eliphelelwe ngumoya lasekunene kakhulu."

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Abameli uninzi lukarhulumente wase-Israel.

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Kodwa kuyathakazelisa ukuqaphela ukuba umanyano lwezopolitiko
lukaNetanyahu okwangoku luxhomekeke kanye kubantu abanjalo.

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Ngoko ke ingcinga yokuba oku kunokuphelela
kucocwa lwezizwe kwiSiphaluka saseGaza

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ayisiyonto incinci kwezopolitiko zaseSirayeli.

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Emva koko, ke, kukho umba weWest Bank, apho iminyaka ibe yinkqubo
evulelekileyo nedibeneyo yobuninzi beqela lezopolitiko lase-Israel

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ukuqhubeka nokwandisa iindawo zokuhlala ezingekho mthethweni.

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Oku kwenzeka kwiWest Bank.

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Kwiveki ephelileyo nje, iNkundla yeZizwe ngezizwe
igwebe kwisigwebo sokuqala isithi ulawulo lwamaSirayeli

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kwimimandla yasePalestina ethinjweyo alusemthethweni.

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Oku kuqinisekisa kwakhona ukuba olu luhlaselo olungekho
mthethweni nokuba i-Israel kufuneka yenze yonke imizamo

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yokuphelisa le nto iyenzayo ngokukhawuleza kangangoko.

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Kodwa injani loo nto?

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Kwaye ngelishwa, njengoko benditshilo, ndibona amathuba amaninzi.

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Ndingakucingela iindlela ezininzi ezinokuthi
oku kuphele ngazo, ingakumbi kwiGaza Strip.

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Ingaphela, umzekelo, ngentshabalalo epheleleyo yabantu
basePalestina, okanye ubuncinci ngokugxothwa kwabantu abaneleyo

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ukuze ukuqhubeka kokuphila kwabantu basePalestina kwiSithili
saseGaza kungabi sesinokunyamezelwa, okanye

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ubuncinci ukuvula iindlela ezintsha neendawo ezintsha
zokuzinza kwabantu base-Israel kwiSithili saseGaza.

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Kodwa nantoni na efana nembono yezomkhosi, umzekelo, ukuba iHamas
ilwa imfazwe ngokwenene norhulumente wase-Israel nokuba zikho

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ngokwenene iimikhosi ezimbini ezilwanayo nokuba isiphumo sinokuba
ngaphi na, ndiyithatha njengentshebe yobuxoki efakwe engqondweni.

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Oku kwenzekayo apho asilodabi.

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Sisiqwenga, sisiqwenga esikhulu, esenzeka ngoku.

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Kwaye ukuba sijonga ngaphaya kweGaza Strip ukuya kwiWest
Bank, sibona iJerusalem, iGolan Heights, nazo zonke ezi ndawo.

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Ngoko ke singakwazi ukuqikelela size sithi injongo isenokuba
kukupheliswa kwabantu basePalestina kuyo yonke i-Israel, andithi?

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Njengoko benditshilo, oku asikokuqikelela okanye ithiyori.

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Le yinto ekuye kuxoxwa ngayo ngenkuthalo nangokukhululekileyo,
ubuncinci ngamalungu athile ePalamente yase-Israel.

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Kwaye xa besenza loo nto, xa la maGosa ephuma
enza la mazwi, uNetanyahu uqhele ukuthi, "Owu,

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oko kudlulele, owu, asiyixhasi loo ngcamango."

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Kodwa, njengoko benditshilo, umanyano
lwezopolitiko olubambayo urhulumente kaNetanyahu

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luxhomekeke kwiimphathiswa ezenza iintetho ezilolu hlobo.

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Kwaye baninzi kubo.

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Okwangoku ndibhala phantsi oku kwesiqendu se-podcast esizayo.

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Ngoko ke, ndijonge le datha ngoku kwaye ndingatsho ukuba kukho
ubungqina obubhaliweyo obaneleyo bezithembiso

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ezenziwe ngabaphathi-zizwe abaninzi base-Israel
ezibiza ukutshabalaliswa kwabantu basePalestine.

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Ngoko ke le ayisiyongcamango nje
elingabalulekanga elithethwa ngabantu abambalwa.

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Lithethwa ngabantu abakwizikhundla ezinamandla.

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Kwaye ke, njengoko benditshilo, leyo yindlela enye
ubuncinci esinokucinga ngayo ukuba le ngxabano

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ingaphela ngayo, nangona ingaphela ngendlela embi kakhulu.

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Ewe. Kaloku, uNetanyahu uza kuthomalalisa
iingxelo zakhe kuxhomekeke ekubeni ngubani obamamelayo.

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Nditsho, uza kuzama ukuyithoba loo ngcinga,
kodwa ngenye imini uza kuthelekisa abantu

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baseGaza noAmaleki, ekufuneka batshatyalaliswe.

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Ewe. Kwaye ke, oku kukwanento yokwenza nezopolitiko
zangaphakathi zase-Israel kunye nemijikelo yezopolitiko.

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Kwaye kukho umkhwa obhalwe phantsi kwikhondo likaNetanyahu apho
ebesoloko esenza iingxelo ezikhrwitshayo nezicacileyo

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malunga nemigaqo-nkqubo enobundlobongela obugqithisileyo
ngakumaPalestina ngamaxesha onyulo lwezopolitiko olulwe nzima.

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Uza kuba ngokwenene efuna iivoti zabantu
abasekunene, abaza kumgcina esihlalweni.

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Kodwa ke kukwakho nengozi yokubeka
ityala kuNetanyahu ngayo yonke into.

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Ngokuqinisekileyo ungumntu onamandla kakhulu kwezopolitiko
zase-Israel. Kwaye ebenguye kangangamashumi eminyaka.

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Kodwa akayena yedwa onamandla.

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Kwaye sisebeka emngciphekweni wokucinga ukuba ukuba
besinokufumana inkulumbuso yase-Israel enengqondo

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engaguquguqukiyo njengoNaftali Bennett okanye uEhud
Barak, owayengumntu othembekileyo kaJeffrey Epstein,

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okanye omnye umntu emagunyeni, yonke into ibiya kulunga.

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Kodwa ndicinga ukuba yindlela
yokucinga/ibali lobuxoki elityalwe kule ncoko.

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Lo ngumbuzo osisiseko othe ube sesizini sezopolitiko zaseSirayeli
ukusukela ekusekweni koBukhosi baseSirayeli, kanye ngohlaselo

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lwabanqolobi olwakhokelela ekusekweni koBukhosi baseSirayeli.

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Siyayazi loo nto.

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Kwakhona: ezi asizozinganiselo
zeyelenqe. Le yimbali ebhalwe phantsi.

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Umzekelo, uhlaselo kwiHotele iKing David ngo-1946, olwalolona
hlaselo lukhulu lobunqolobi kwimbali ngelo xesha

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kwaye lwothusa izazi zomhlaba, lwabulala amashumi,
amakhulu abantu lwaza lwenzakalisa abanye abaninzi kakhulu.

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Kwakuwuhlaselo olungenazintloni kwaphela.

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Yayilusapho lwabanqolobi olwalujolise kubantu abathile, olwenziwa
ngabo abathi kamva baba ngabaphathi

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bezopolitiko base-Israel, njengenxalenye
yesicwangciso sabo sokugxotha amaBritane ePalestine.

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Kwaye ngelishwa, waba yimpumelelo kakhulu.

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Ngoko ke, kwasekuqaleni, iziseko zombuso wakwaSirayeli zazisekelwe
kubunqolobi nobundlobongela obuchasene namaPalestina.

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Ngelishwa, akukho nto itshintshileyo ngale
ngongoma kule minyaka ingama-75 idlulileyo.

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Xa uthi eli qela lobunqolobi laba yinxalenye
yezopolitiko ezilawulayo, ubhekisa kwi-Irgun?

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Ewe. Kwaye eneneni, igama ngoku liye ladlula engqondweni yam.

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Kodwa ndiyirekhode kwisiqendu sam samva se-podcast
("Dibana noBenjamin Netanyahu, iNtyala yeMfazwe").

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Ngokukodwa, inkokeli ye-Irgun eyayinoxanduva loqhankqalazo
kwiHotele iKing David yanconywa nguNetanyahu

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njengomzekelo wokusekwa koMbuso wase-Israel –
wayengomnye woyise abaseki boMbuso wase-Israel.

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Ngo-2006, kwisikhumbuzo seminyaka engama-60
sokudubulwa kwezi bomu okubulalayo, kwatyhilwa

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ipleyikhwe yesikhumbuzo ngurhulumente wase-Israel.

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INdunankulu yaseBritane yathi ngelo xesha kwakumangalisa
ngokwenene ukuba ilizwe elikhululekileyo,

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elivulelekileyo nelidemokhrasi lalisakha isikhumbuzo
sokuhlaselwa kobunqolobi okoyikekayo nokubulalayo.

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Kodwa ibe ngubani owayelapho ukuveza iplakhwe
nokuphinda akhumbule i-Irgun aze abancome ngendima

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yabo ekusekweni kwe-Israel ngeli siganeko sibulalayo?

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Akukho mntu wumbi ngaphandle kukaBenjamin Netanyahu.

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Ingaba urhulumente kaNetanyahu
unxulumene neHamas nangayiphi na indlela?

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Ewe, ziyinjalo.

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Kwaye kwakhona, ndiyibhalile le nto emsebenzini wam.

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Kwiinyanga ezimbalwa ezidlulileyo, ndabhala inqaku elinesihloko
esithi "Imbali Eyimfihlo yeHamas," elithetha ngokusekwa

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kweHamas, ukuba yintoni, ivela phi, kunye nonxibelelwano
olubanzi phakathi kukarhulumente wase-Israel neHamas.

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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kungaba lula kakhulu ukuthi
iHamas yinto nje eyenziweyo ngokupheleleyo, isixhobo

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esilawulwayo ngokupheleleyo ngurhulumente wase-Israel.

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Kodwa kungqiniwe ukuba yayixhaswa, ikhuthazwa,
ixhaswa ngemali kwaye ithandwa ngurhulumente wakwaSirayeli.

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Kwindibano yombutho weLikud ngo-2019, uBenjamin Netanyahu wade
watsho ngokucacileyo ukuba icebo lakhe yayikukuxhasa

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iHamas ukuze agcine amaPalestina aseGaza Strip ahlukene
ngokwezopolitiko nangokweengcinga kwalawo aseWest Bank.

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Oku kungenzelwa ukuqinisekisa ukuba abaze bamanyane kwaye
abaze babe sisoyikiso sokwenene ekudalweni kwesisombululo

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samazwe amabini kungquzulwano lwamaPalestina namaSirayeli.

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Ngoko ke oko kucacile kwakhona;
akusimfuneko ukuba siqashele ngako.

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James, njengoko sithetha ngesidingo
sokuqhubeka kwemfazwe ngokubanzi:

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Ndibone le nto ekunokwenzeka ukuba yividiyo yakho yamva
nje, kwaye ukhankanye inqaku kwi-CovertAction Magazine.

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Ndaza ndajonga iMagazini iCovertAction.

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Andazi nokuba ndifunde inqaku elichanekileyo na, kodwa
lalibhalwe yindoda eyathi le ibe yindlela ye-United

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States ukusukela ekuqaleni: ukugcina imfazwe iqhubeka.

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Ungatsho na ukuba le yimeko eqhelekileyo
eMbindi Mpuma, ukuba yiyo le meko ekwi-Ukraine

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namhlanje, kwaye isebenza nakwi-United States?

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Ndingathi le yindlela eqhelekileyo yokusebenza kwequmrhu lomkhosi
nezoshishino awayichaza u-Eisenhower xa wayeshiya

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isikhundla sobuMongameli base-US ngo-1960, kwaye le nto
ixhaphake ngakumbi namhlanje kunangoko yayinjalo ngelo xesha.

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Le ibe yindlela yokusebenza yale ngqekembe yezomkhosi
nezemizi-mveliso, kaloku, ukusukela ekusungulweni kwayo.

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Imfazwe yimpilo karhulumente, kodwa imfazwe ikwayimpilo yalo
lonke ishishini, lalo lonke ilungu loncedo, yalo lonke

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unobangela oyimfihlo nazo zonke ezinye izithungu zolu rhulumente
mkhulu ofihlakeleyo ezithi ngokwenene zimisele umgaqo-nkqubo.

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Kwaye yiyo loo nto umdla wabo ungapheleli nje ekubeni ngowobuqu
nangokufihlakeleyo, kodwa ufanana kanye nomdla wokuvusa

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imfazwe nokusoloko bekhangela izizathu zesenzo sesosolontsiko.

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Ngoko ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo loo nto iyinxalenye yecebo.

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Ndicinga ukuba oku kunokwenzeka ngakumbi ngamaxesha athile
nakwiindawo ezithile ngenxa yezizathu ezithile zobuchule.

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Singakujonga oku ngokwembali.

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Umzekelo, ngeminyaka yoo-1980, isizathu esachazwayo sokuxhasa
ngemali – eneneni, yayiyeyona ntshukumo inkulu ye-CIA kwimbali,

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ubuncinci ngokwezinto ezavunywayo – yayikukuxhasa
ngemali iTaliban e-Afghanistan ngelo xesha

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njengenxalenye yemfazwe yabo ye-jihad nxamnye namaSoviet.

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— ngokukodwa nangokuchanekileyo kuba urhulumente ongaphakathi
wexesha likaCarter ngeminyaka yoo-1970 ekupheleni

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wagqiba kwelokuba eyona ndlela ilungileyo yokuphelisa
amandla amaSoviet kukubatyhala kwimeko efana neyaseVietnam.

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Ngoko ke yile nto bayenzileyo ngokucacileyo nangokupheleleyo.

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Kwaye bazama ukugcina le mfazwe
iqhubeka ixesha elide kangangoko kunokwenzeka.

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Leyo yayiyicebo elalise emva kwayo.

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Ngokoluvo lwam, ungquzulwano lwase-Ukraine lufana kanye, kuba
kule meko uRashiya nguye ekujoliswe kuye

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ngokucacileyo, kwaye i-United States iyavuya ukulwa
noRashiya ide kube kusala um-Ukraine wokugqibela.

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kwaye baza kuqhubeka bethumela imali, uncedo nezixhobo
ukuze olu ngquzulwano luthathe ixesha elide kangangoko

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kunokwenzeka ngenjongo yokuphelisa amaRashiya amandla.

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Ewe, ndikholelwa ukuba uTrump usandula
ukuthi ufuna ukuyiphelisa le mfazwe.

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Ukuba wayeyinqanda imfazwe, nengcosana yenyama nayo ibiya kuyeka.

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Kodwa ndikholelwa ukuba uneminye izizathu zokuyinqanda imfazwe.

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Singathanda ukuxoxa ngezimvo zakho ngemeko yangoku
emalunga nemfazwe yamaqela asekelwe yi-NATO e-Ukraine.

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Kwaye masicinge ukuba ngubani onexanduva eliphambili
lokuqalisa nokuqhubeka kwemfazwe nxamnye neRashiya.

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Abantu abanjengoVictoria Nuland noAntony Blinken,
uMphathiswa Wezangaphandle wase-US, bafuna ntoni? Bafuna ntoni?

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Yintoni injongo yakho phaya?

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Uyazi, lo ngumbuzo olungileyo.

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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba umbuzo ngowokuba ufuna ukuya
umva kangakanani kwimbali yezopolitiko zehlabathi.

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Ndiqinisekile ukuba isicwangciso sobukhosi, iBukhosi baseBritane
ekupheleni kwenkulungwane ye-19 neBukhosi baseMelika

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kwinkulungwane yama-20, ixesha elide kakhulu
besiquka ukugcina amaRashiya namaJamani ahlukene

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kwaye ngokwenene ebagcina besilwa omnye nomnye.

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Kuba ukuba bangamanyana, kungekhona kwezopolitiko okanye
kwezoqoqosho, kodwa kube kukuba nobudlelwane obuhle nje,

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oku kungabeka isisongelo esikhulu kumandla amaBritane
okanye amaMelika, umzekelo, okulawula ilizwekazi laseYurophu.

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Kwaye njengoko kwamiselwa kwiminyaka engaphezu kwekhulu
eyadlulayo, ukususela kwimihla kaMackinder, uHalford Mackinder

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kunye nokuvela kwe-geopolitics njengoko siyazi namhlanje,
le ndawo yintliziyo yale nto kuthiwa yi-chessboard yehlabathi.

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Nalo naluphi na amandla alawulayo, ngokwenene ulawula iplanethi.

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Oku sele kuqondwe ngaphezu kwenkulungwane, kwaye yiyo kanye
loo nto bekusoloko kukho imfuneko yokufaka ungquzulwano

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phakathi kwamaRashiya namaJamani okanye amaYurophu ngokubanzi.

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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba oko kusabalulekile nanamhlanje.

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Loo nto iseyinxalenye yecebo.

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Ewe, ndenze udliwano-ndlebe
nomqhubi wewebhusayithi i-Antiwar.com.

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Uwenza ipodcast enkulu echasene nemfazwe.

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Horton. Ewe, nguScott Horton.

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Wathi: Into yokugqibela efunwa
yiNtshona bubunye baseJamani naseRashiya.

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Uthi eyona nto imbi ibiya kuba kukuba
iJamani neRashiya ziphinde zingene emfazweni.

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Kwaye sibone ukuba kwenzeka ntoni xa oko kusenzeka.

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Ewe, sinayo.

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Sibuyela kwintetho kaTrump ethi uza kuphelisa le mfazwe.

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Uyazi ntoni ngomhlobo wakhe osenyongweni uLarry Fink, i-CEO
yakwa-BlackRock, onguye onomsebenzi wokucebisa kulwakhiwo-ntsha

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lwe-Ukraine kwaye noxanduva lwe-Ukraine's development fund?

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Ewe. Kunjalo kanye njengoko ukuchazile.

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Ngokwenene, iBlackRock yeyona femu inkulu yotyalo-mali
ehlabathini, iphethe, ukuba asiyiyo eyona

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ininzi, ubuncinci isabelo esikhulu sezabelo
phantse kuzo zonke iinkampani zeFortune 500 .

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Kwaye i-BlackRock, ingakumbi uLarry Fink, i-CEO ye-BlackRock, nayo
ityale imali eninzi kakhulu kulwakhiwo ngokutsha lwe-Ukraine,

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nto leyo ngokwendalo ebekwe kumxholo wenguqu yedijithali.

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Le nkqubo yayisele iqalisiwe phambi
kokungavisisani kwangoku, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo yandisiwe.

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Kwaye uLarry Fink uthethe esidlangalaleni ngendlela
oku kubonelela ngethuba eligqibeleleyo lotshintsho

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olupheleleyo lwedijithali kurhulumente nakwiokoqoqosho.

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Ngoko ke yile nto kanye abazama ukuyenza.

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Kwaye, ewe, eli lishishini elikhulayo nelineenkohlakalo elixabisa
izigidi zezigidi zee-euro, nezigidi zezigidi

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zeedola kwabo banokufaka imilomo yabo kule phayi
ethile baze batye eyona nxalenye inkulu yayo.

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Kwaye uLarry Fink ngokwenene ubonakala
ekwisikhundla seso sisilo sigaya igazi

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esincamathiselele kwimithambo yentloko yoluntu, sisincanca.

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Bendikhangela ngemvelaphi kaLarry Fink kunye nokubandakanyeka
kwakhe e-Ukraine nokungenelela kwakhe apho,

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ndaza ndadibana nenkomfa eyayibanjelwe
eNew York City kwiminyaka embalwa edlulileyo.

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Wakhe weva nge-Dealbook Summit exhaswe yi-New York Times?

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Ndakhe ndayiva ngayo, ewe, kodwa andizilandeli iinkqubo.

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Kulungile, ndiyifundile imibhalo emincinci.

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Kuthe: "INkulumbuso ekhethiweyo uBenjamin Netanyahu, uMongameli
wase-Ukraine uVolodymyr Zelensky, i-CEO ye-META uMark Zuckerberg,

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uMphathiswa wezeMali wase-US uJanet Yellen kunye ne-CEO
ye-BlackRock uLarry Fink nabo baza kuthetha kule ngqungquthela."

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Bonke aba bantu beqokene kwindibano eNew York.

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Ucinga ntoni?

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Ngaphandle kokuba andothuki nakancinci.

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Ndingathi ngabo kanye abantu esinokulindela ukuba bahlangane
ukuze baxoxe ngale nto baze bazame ukuxhamla

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kuyo ngeendlela zonke, ngokwezimali
nangokwezopolitiko yehlabathi. Kwaye nangokomkhosi, kananjalo.

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Kwaye, ewe kona, umdlali ngamnye kwile
bhedu unezizathu zakhe zokuba lapha.

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kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo bayavumelana ngesicwangciso sokufunxa
igazi eliphilayo lase-Ukraine ukuze kulwe

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namaRashiya – into leyo abantu abaninzi abohlukeneyo
abakule ntetho abangathanda ukuyenza ngalo mzuzu.

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Ke, James, ubungabonakali uzithembile kakhulu malunga
neziphumo ezinokubakho zengxaki ekhoyo ngoku kwa-Sirayeli.

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Yeyiphi imeko enokwenzeka, xa sithetha
ngethemba, yisiphumo semfazwe yase-Ukraine,

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ngaphandle kokuba i-BlackRock ithathe ulawulo lwelizwe?

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Ewe. Kaloku, njengoko benditshilo, oko kunzima kakhulu ngoku.

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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba wonke umntu sele ezityhilile iikhadi
zakhe ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, kangangokuba kunzima

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ukucinga ukuba ngoku kukho indlela yokurhoxa kule ngxubakaxaka.

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Kuba ndicinga ukuba amaRashiya akanakurhoxa ngoku ngaphandle
kokuba afumene ubuncinci isicombululo esithile

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sokuzisindisa iintloni eDonbass ngokunxulumene
neenjongo zawo ekuthiwa zizopolitiko zehlabathi.

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Kodwa kwangaxeshanye, i-Ukraine ngoku
izibophelele ngokuqinileyo kwindlela eya ekudityanisweni

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neLizwe zasemaNtshona, kuquka nobulungu be-NATO.

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Kwaye kwinkomfa yakutshanje ye-NATO, kunikezelwe iziqinisekiso
zokuba indlela yase-Ukraine eya kubulungu be-NATO ayinakuguqulwa.

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Akuzukwenzeka ngomso, kodwa kuyakwenzeka.

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Loo nto, ewe, yayiyomda obomvu abantu baseRashiya
abebewubeke ixesha elide kakhulu. Naphambi kukaPutin.

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Ingcinga ye-NATO e-Ukraine ibiyintsika ebomvu.

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Ngoko ke kunzima ukucinga ngenyathelo
lokusindisa ubuso elinokwenzeka ngeli xesha,

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elingayi, ubuncinci, njengoko usitshoyo...

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Nokuba ungquzulwano luyaphela ngomso, sinorhulumente eKyiv
ozinikele kutshintsho lwedijithali, ukuthathwa kweBlackRock,

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iPalantir nezinye iinkampani ezingenayo kulo mdlalo.

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Okwangoku, kunzima ukucinga ukuba
bangaphoswa ngaphandle kurhulumente waseKiev.

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Kunjalo. Kulungile. Ke, James, siza kuqhubela
phambili kwisihloko sethu sesibini, i-CBDCs.

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Kwaye ndingathanda ukuqala le ngxoxo
ngeendaba ezincinci zempelaveki ephelileyo,

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eziqale kanye kwiveki engaphambi kwale iphelileyo.

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Uyazi, intloko yam ibizele, bendityhafiswe yimini
yomsebenzi wam kwaye andizange ndicinge ngezinto,

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okanye ndenze uphando, okanye ndijonge i-Twitter feed yam.

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Ngoko ke, bendingazi kakhulu ngalo mcimbi uphela weCrowdStrike.

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Bendingazi nokuba yintoni iCrowdStrike de kwaba namhlanje xa
umntu endixelele ukuba yinkampani yokhuseleko lwesoftware.

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Kodwa kwenzeke into ngoLwesihlanu, kwaye
ngesizathu esithile andikwazanga ukufikelela kuyo

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nayiphi na iirekhodi zedijithali ebhankini yam.

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Ndinayo i-app kwifowuni yam ephathwayo endivumela
ukuba ndijonge i-akhawunti yam yebhanki kunye

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nentengiselwano zam. Yaye yathi, "ayifumaneki ngeempelaveki".

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Kwaye ke umhlobo wam wathi, ewe, kunokwenzeka
kakhulu ukuba kungenxa yale nto yeCrowdStrike.

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Ukhankanyile ukuba amakhulu eenqwelomoya aye arhoxiswa.

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Ukhankanyile ukuba iYouTube ibingasebenzi iiyure
ezintathu kule ntsasa, ukuba iibhanki bezivaliwe, njalo njalo.

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Kwaye mna bendicinga ukuba, xa sithetha
nge-CBDCs, oku kufanele kube sisilumkiso esikhulu

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kwingcinga yokuguqula yonke into ibe yidijithali.

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Awucingi ukuba abantu banexhala lokuphelelwa ngokufikelela kwimali
engxoweni baze bangakwazi ukuthenga ngaphandle kokuxhomekeka

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ngokupheleleyo kule mali yedijithali bafuna ukuyazisa?

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Ndiyavuya kuba ubeka le ngxoxo kulo mxholo.

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Kuba ngalo mzuzu, kukho amashumi amawaka, mhlawumbi nangaphezulu,
abantu abaphazanyiswe uhambo lwabo, abatshabalaliswe iimali

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zabo ezibhankini, njalo njalo, ngenxa yesi siganeko senzeka
kanye kwinkulungwane, olu phazamiseko lubi olusandul' ukunwenwa.

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Kodwa ke, ubuncinci abantu ngoku kufuneka babeke phambili
ukucinga ngokuba ingaba licebo elihle na ukuxhomekisa ubomi bethu

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bonke kunye nobukho bethu bezoqoqosho kule teknoloji yedijithali,
ethi ubuncinci ibe sesichengeni sokuphazamiseka

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okungalindelekanga kunye nohlaziyo olungachanekanga,
Singasathethi ke ngohlaselo lokwenene olwenziwa ngabantu

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bokwenene bangaphandle abatyhonywa ityala, okanye
njengohlaselo lwe-false flag olwenzwe ngandlela

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ithile, okanye mhlawumbi lwenziwe ngamandla aphezulu.

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Siyayazi loo nto.

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EMF , imitha yelanga, isiganeko saseCarrington .

285
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Siyazi iintlobo zezinto ezinokonakalisa okanye ziphazamise
ubomi bethu be-elektroniki njengoko sibazi, ngephanyazo leliso.

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Ngandlel' ithile, bekukhuthaza ukubona okwenzekileyo ngengxaki
yeCrowdStrike, indlela iipasi zokukhwela zabakhweli ezazinikwa

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ngesandla ephepheni kuba bezingenakushicilelwa nge-elektroniki.

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Iikhowudi ze-QR bezingenakusetyenziswa.

289
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Bazalisa ngokwenene ngesandla.

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Kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo kukwenza ucinge ngendlela esintywiliselwe
ngayo kule meko yedijithali, kangangokuba kuyothusa ukubona

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ipasi yokukhwela ebhalwe ngesandla kweli xesha lanamhlanje.

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Ewe, kodwa kwixesha elidlulileyo,
izinto zazirekhodwa ngopeni nephepha.

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Kutheni sayilahla loo nto?

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Zeziphi iingxaki ezingxamisekileyo nezisindisa ubomi
esizicombulule ngokufaka ubomi bethu bonke kule meko yedijithali?

295
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:34,629
Ndicinga ukuba ungayisebenzisa loo nto kwizinto ezininzi apho
kukho isisombululo esitsha, kwaye owona mbuzo wokuqala ekufuneka

296
00:28:34,629 --> 00:28:38,799
sizibuze wona ngulo: Ke, yintoni engalunganga ngoko sinako apha?

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Umzekelo, ndandifumana isignali
elungileyo, ubuncinci ndiseJapan, nge-3G endala.

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Kutheni sidinga i-4G okanye i-5G?

299
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Kwaye bayaqhubeka nokuyandisa, besixelela ukuba
oku kubaluleke kakhulu ukuze siqhubeke sikho.

300
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Kodwa andidingi ukukhuphela ifilimu
kwimizuzwana engama-19 endaweni yemizuzwana engama-53.

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Ndicela ndivunyelwe ukuba ndifake isalathiso apha kuNeil Postman,
umbhali weencwadi ezifana ne-Amusing Ourselves to Death.

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Wayengumbhali onomdla kakhulu nonombono obanzi, owayebhala
kakhulu yaye esebenza nzima ngeminyaka yoo-1980 noo-1990.

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Wabhala nge-intanethi xa yayisandul' ukuvela.

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Waza wenza uthotho lweenkulumo kwimiba enxulumene neteknoloji.

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Andisakhumbuli igama lentetho le. Kodwa ukuba ukhangela
"imibuzo kaNeil Postman ngeteknoloji", uza kuyifumana.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba wacwangcisa imibuzo emine ekufuneka
sizibuze yona nanini na kukho itekhnoloji entsha ecetywayo.

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Enye yale yile: Yeyiphi ingxaki
ekulindeleke ukuba itekhnoloji ecetywayo iyisonge?

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Ngaba ngenene yingxaki?

309
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Ingaba ngenene sisombululo?

310
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,790
Kwaye uyicacisa le nto ngendlela egqwesileyo, nto leyo, ngokoluvo
lwam, ifanelekile nangakumbi namhlanje

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kunokuba yayinjalo xa wayenikezela le ntetho
kwiminyaka engamashumi amathathu eyadlulayo.

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Oku kuvakala kunomdla.

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James, ndiyazi ukuba siye sathetha ngalo mbandela
kudliwano-ndlebe lwethu lwamva, kodwa sinabaphulaphuli abaninzi

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kakhulu abalulandela olu dliwano-ndlebe kwinkomfa ye-AZK.

315
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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba abanye abantu basafuna ukwazi
umahluko ophakathi kwee-CBDC, umzekelo, i-Apple

316
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Pay okanye ezinye iinkqubo zentlawulo zedijithali.

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Kwaye kutheni i-93% yazo zonke iibhanki ezingundoqo
ngesiquphe zibandakanyeka ngenkuthalo kuphuhliso lwezi CBDCs?

318
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:36,759
Iziseko zentlawulo yedijithali njengoko zinjalo ngoku, nezeni
nisebenzisa ngoku, zisekelwe kuhlobo lwemali esele siqhele yona.

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Oko kukuthi, imali yabathengi
abazimeleyo kumjikelo weebhanki zorhwebo.

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Kuninzi okufuneka kuqondwe ngemidlalo yemali nobubhanxa ababefuna
ukuba ziingcweti zaseWall Street abebedlala, isigqubuthelo

321
00:30:50,562 --> 00:30:54,359
abasigqume emehlweni oluntu iinkulungwane ezininzi.

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Kodwa ingcinga yeyokuba namhlanje, amazwe
amaninzi anenkqubo yemali ephindwe kabini.

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Enye yinkqubo yemali yorhwebo olukhulu, eyenzelwe iibhanki
ngokwazo, iibhanki zorhwebo ezine-akhawunti zesiqengiselo

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kwibhanki engundoqo, nokuba yileyo i-ECB okanye iBhanki yaseJapan
okanye iFederal Reserve eUnited States. Ezi bhanki

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zorhwebo zigcina izixa-mali ezigciniweyo kwaye zenza
iintengiselwano phakathi kwazo ngaphakathi kolu rhwebo lukhulu.

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00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:29,973
Thina, wena nam, kunye nabo bonke abanye
abamamele oku, sinemali yethu kwezi bhanki

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zorhwebo, kwaye elo lelojikelezo lomthengi wabucala.

328
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Ezi zizinto ezimbini ezahluke ngokupheleleyo. Imali esetyenziswa
ziibhanki kumjikelo webhanki yokuthengisa

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ngobuninzi, ngokobuchwepheshe yahlukile kwimali
esiyisebenzisayo kubomi bethu bemihla ngemihla.

330
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:48,039
Ngoko ke xa sihlawula nge-Apple Pay okanye ngeenkonzo
ezifanayo, sisebenzisa imali yeshishini labathengi labucala.

331
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Le yimali edalwe yibhanki yorhwebo.

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Inkqubo yebhanki zorhwebo ngokubanzi.

333
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Uninzi lwemali lwenziwa ngamatyala afunyanwa kwiibhanki zorhwebo.

334
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,720
Ngomlingo wesivumelwano sabo sebhanki,
banelungelo lokwenza le mali ngokusiboleka yona.

335
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Abangeni kwigumbi elikhuselekileyo lebhanki baphume
nezingqokelela zemali ngalo lonke ixesha bakuboleka imali;

336
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endaweni yoko, bayidalayo le mali oza kuyibatyala – kuquka
nenzala! – ingcamango emangalisayo ukuba ungumbhanki, kunjalo.

337
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I-CBDC yingcamango yokuba okokuqala ngqa siza
kuba nokufikelela ngqo kwimali yebhanki engundoqo.

338
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,319
Kakade ke, imali ekhutshwe
yibhanki engundoqo sele ikho namhlanje.

339
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:40,181
Ukuba uthatha enye yeengxowa-mali zephepha, kungakhathaliseki
nokuba uhlala kweli lizwe liphi, ukuba usenayo enye kwipokotho

340
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yakho, kuba abantu abaninzi bahlawula ngendlela engenamali, kuya
kubhalwa into efana nale: apha eJapan, "iBank of

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Japan", eUnited States, ingxowa-mali ye "Federal Reserve",
kuba oko kuyinkcazo yembopheleleko yebhanki engundoqo.

342
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Eli nxalenye yephepha-mali eneneni
likhutshwe yibhanki engundoqo ngokwayo.

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Ngoko ke, yiyo kuphela indlela ibhanki
engundoqo enayo yokufaka imali ngokuthe ngqo kuqoqosho,

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kwaye loo nto yinxalenye nje encinci yoqoqosho.

345
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Kwilizwe le-CBDC, nangona kunjalo, ziya kukwazi ukuzisa inkcazelo
yazo yetyala lebhanki engundoqo ngqo kwisipaji sakho sedijithali

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kuba ngoku uya kuba ne-akhawunti, kuxhomekeke
kwindlela abayimisile ngayo, kodwa ngandlela ithile

347
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uya kuba ne-akhawunti nebhanki engundoqo ngokwayo.

348
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:30,386
Kwaye abazukukwazi nje kuphela ukuqinisekisa nokulawula
iintengiselwano zakho, kodwa baya kukwazi nokujonga

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iintengiselwano zakho, kwaye mhlawumbi, njengoko kugxininiswe
ngabaninzi, kuquka iimpolitiki zase-UK nakwezinye iindawo

350
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ezinomdla kakhulu ngale nto inokwenzeka, banokwenza inkqubo
yokuba yintoni enokwenziwa nengakwazi ukwenziwa ngale mali.

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Ngoko ke, umzekelo, ukuba ubeka umda wokuba ungathenga
kuphela isixa esithile senyama kule nyanga, kuba

352
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siyazi ukuba ukutyiwa kwenyama kucaphukisa oothixo bemozulu.

353
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Ukuba babeka umda, bangawunyanzelisa loo mda
ngokukuthintela ukuba uthenge inyama engaphezulu kwesixa

354
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esabelweyo ngemali yakho yedijithali yebhanki engundoqo.

355
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Kwaye loo nto iya kuba yinto ezenzekelayo ongenakuyiphepha
ukuba ugqiba kwelokuba uyisebenzise ngolo hlobo.

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Okanye nawaphi na amanye amathintelo anokucingelwa anokuphunyezwa
kwangoko ngokucofa iqhosha ledijithali, nto

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leyo emele ulawulo oloyikekayo kakhulu
kwezoqoqosho oluvela ngqo kubhanki eziphambili.

358
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Ewe, kwaye usandul' ukuphendula umbuzo wam olandelayo, obungathi:
Ucinga ukuba yintoni enokutsala umdla kakhulu kurhulumente?

359
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:41,313
Ndingathi yinkono yokubeka iliso elibukhali
kwimpahla yethu nakwindlela esichitha ngayo imali, kwaye, xa

360
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kuyimfuneko, ukulawula indlela esizisebenzisa ngayo.

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Ewe kona, kwaye kufuneka ndenze umahluko kuba, njengoko
nditshilo, ngendlela inkqubo yebhanki ekhoyo ngayo ngoku,

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iibhanki zorhwebo zimi phakathi kwebhanki engundoqo nathi.

363
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:06,039
Iibhanki zorhwebo ke ngoko ziyinxalenye ebalulekileyo yale nto,
kwaye okwangoku zinamandla angummangaliso okulawula uqoqosho.

364
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,599
Abazukuyiyeka lula kangaka le nto yokulawula.

365
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:14,119
Ngoko ke sinokucinga ngeendlela ezininzi
ezinokwenzeka zokuba inkqubo ye-CBDC iza kulungiswa njani.

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Enye yezi inokuba kukuba ibhanki engundoqo idlulisele
amandla ayo okugcina nokuqinisekisa ii-akhawunti kwiibhanki

367
00:35:20,756 --> 00:35:24,679
zorhwebo okanye ubuncinci kumaziko ezemali aqinisekisiweyo.

368
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,840
Ngoko ke nawe uza kusebenza njengomlamli apha.

369
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:35,501
Oku kungenza kubonakale ngathi iibhanki ezingoovimba
ziphantse zaba yinxalenye yenkqubo: "Owu, asilawuli nantoni

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na kuyo yonke le nto. Yenziwa yonke ziibhanki zorhwebo."

371
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,846
Ngenxa yeemeko zopolitiko noqoqosho zendlela inkqubo yebhanki
elungiselelwe ngayo, kuvela ngokwemvelo umbuzo

372
00:35:45,846 --> 00:35:51,400
wokuba ngubani olawula ezi bhanki zorhwebo
kwaye uzixelela into ezinokuyenza nezingenakuyenza.

373
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Zizo abasemagunyeni abalawulayo
bamabhanki aphakathi noorhulumente.

374
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Kwaye sibone indlela amandla la
asetyenziswe kakubi ngayo kwixesha elidlulileyo.

375
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:05,310
Phantsi kolawulo luka-Obama, iSebe lezoBulungisa licele iibhanki
zorhwebo eUnited States ukuba zivalise ii-akhawunti zabantu

376
00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:11,795
ababonelela ngeenkonzo ezisemthethweni ngokupheleleyo, nangona
zingathandekiyo, ezifana neenkwenkwezi ze-porn, abathengisi

377
00:36:11,795 --> 00:36:18,280
bezixhobo zokudubula, ababolekisi-mali bemiholo, kunye nabanye
kwimimandla yoshishino urhulumente ebesingavumelani nayo.

378
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,039
Ufune ukuba iibhanki zisuse aba bathengi ekujikelezeni.

379
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:24,880
Kwaziibhanki ngokwazo ezathobelayo oku.

380
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:33,077
Bengabo abavalilee ii-akhawunti zaba thengi, kodwa
benjenjalo kuba i-FDIC , elinye lamagunya alawulayo enkqubo

381
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yebhanki e-United States, yathi, "Asizukufunxa idipozithi yenu."

382
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,960
Singakususa kuluhlu ukuba awuziphenduleli
kwizimangalo zethu zokuba uzisuse aba bantu.

383
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,440
Lo mzekelo usibonisa indlela olu
hlobo lwenkqubo olunokusetwa ngayo.

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Oku, ke, akuyi kubonakala kanye ngathi yimeko
eyoyikekayo yokulawulwa ngqo kwesipaji sakho ngabaphathi

385
00:36:54,740 --> 00:37:00,920
bamabhanki aphambili, kodwa kuya kuba yinto enye kanye.

386
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,719
Ewe, ndiyakwazi ukucinga ukuba baza
kuzama njani ukwenza ukuba kuthandeke kuthi.

387
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,880
Kwaye le yenye yezo meko zithi, "xa beza kumaKomanisi..."

388
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,960
Okokuqala, bafika ngenxa yababolekisi-mali baseSkid Row .

389
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,880
Ewe ke, asibathandi aba bantu.

390
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,719
Nathi asizithandi iinkwenkwezi ze-porn.

391
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,840
Baza kuyenza ibe nomtsalane.

392
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,599

Ngoko ke, sikufuphi kangakanani na kwinkqubo ye-CBDC?

393
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,300
Kwaye ingaba oku kuthetha isiphelo semali engxoweni?

394
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,800
Ngokuqinisekileyo zinokuphila kunye kwaye
kusenokwenzeka ukuba ziya kwenza njalo okwethutyana.

395
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,559
Oku akuthethi kuthi imali iya kuphelelwa kukubakho.

396
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:45,559
Noko ke, sesele sibone indlela uluntu olungenamali olukhule
ngayo nokuba kwenzeke ngokukhawuleza kangakanani na oku.

397
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:53,079
Sikwindawo apho uqoqosho lwaseJapan lusekelwe
kakhulu kwimali engamaphepha, nangona oku kuyatshintsha.

398
00:37:53,079 --> 00:38:00,739
Kodwa ndikhumbula ukuya kwinkomfa eNgilani kunyaka
ophelileyo, kwaye kwandothusa kakhulu, nangona

399
00:38:00,739 --> 00:38:05,440
ndiyazi ngale nto kwaye ndiyiphandile ndathetha ngayo.

400
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,354
Kwakothusa ngokwenene ukutyelela iikhefi ezininzi,
iivenkile zokutyela, kunye neevenkile

401
00:38:10,354 --> 00:38:13,960
ezithengisa ngeziqhelo ezazingamkeli mali yephepha kwaphela.

402
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,840
Bekuyimali yebhanki kuphela.

403
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,800
Kwaye oko kwangothuso kum, kodwa sele iyinyani.

404
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:27,519

Ngoko ke umntu angacinga ukuba kuza kubakho
ixesha lokuphila kunye xa i-CBDCs zingeniswa.

405
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:32,836
Kodwa kunokwenzeka kakhulu ukuba imali engxoweni ipheliswe ngenxa
yesiganeko sezemali esikhohlisayo esenziwe ngabantu

406
00:38:32,836 --> 00:38:37,280
abazama ukufihla iinjongo zabo, okanye ngenxa yesinye
isizathu esivakalayo sokuphathisa ngokungxamisekileyo.

407
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:44,119
Kwaye abantu abaninzi kule mihla
mhlawumbi abazukuthatha nankathalo.

408
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:50,055
Kunjalo. Ngoku, xa undwendwela isuphamakethi yasekuhlaleni,
bangaphi abantu obabona besebenzisa i-iPhone yabo,

409
00:38:50,055 --> 00:38:53,519
ikhadi, okanye ikhadi lokuhlawula elilula endaweni yemali?

410
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:57,400
Nditsho, akuyonto eqhelekileyo lonto?

411
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,559
Ngelishwa, ewe.

412
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:05,696
Kwaye ndithi "ngelishwa" kuba bendivuya kakhulu yinto yokuba
iJapan iseyintlalo-qoqosho esekelwe kakhulu kwimali

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00:39:05,696 --> 00:39:13,239
engxoweni, kwinqanaba lokuba ungathenga imoto ngemali
engxoweni kwaye loo nto ayibhekwa njengento engaqhelekanga.

414
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,640
Kodwa loo nto iyatshintsha ngokwenene, kwaye ngokukhawuleza
kakhulu, kuba iinkqubo zokuhlawula ngaphandle

415
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,639
kwemali ayizange yaziswa apha kuphela, kodwa
zikwakhuthazwa ngamandla ngakumbi nangakumbi.

416
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:28,740
Kwaye ngelishwa, namhlanje kuqhelekile
kakhulu ukuba abantu bahlawule ngeefowuni zabo

417
00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:31,320
eziphathwayo okanye ngamakhadi kunakuqala.

418
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,059
Naphakathi apha eJapan, eyayiyenye yeelizwe ezimbalwa
ezingumkhontrakthi phakathi kwamazwe

419
00:39:35,059 --> 00:39:39,280
ahambele phambili kwezoshishino njengoko
yayisebenza ngemali engxoweni, oku kuyatshintsha.

420
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,291
Kwaye ndingakucingela ukuba kwiminyaka embalwa
ezayo, siza kufika kwinqanaba apho iintlawulo

421
00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:49,059
ezingenamali ziya kuxhaphaka ngakumbi kuneentlawulo zemali.

422
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,880
Singenza ntoni ngayo, ngaphandle kokuhlawula
ngemali engxoweni rhoqo kangangoko kunokwenzeka?

423
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,599
Sineenye izinto esinokuzenza?

424
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:05,000
Kulungile, ndingathi eso sisisiqalo esihle kakhulu.

425
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:12,874
Kwaye ndicinga ukuba le yenye yeengxaki ezingumcimbi
woluntu ngokucacileyo, ekungekho mntu unokuyisombulula

426
00:40:12,874 --> 00:40:16,480
eyedwa, kodwa sonke kufuneka senze indima yethu.

427
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,920
Kwaye indima yethu iquka ukuqhankqalazwa
kunye nezigqibo zokuthenga ezenziwe ngokuqonda.

428
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,320
Kwaye kungekuphela ngokuphepha iivenkile ezingasebenzisi mali,

429
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:32,842
Kodwa ke, kukwamalunga nokuxhasa amashishini, iinkampani,
abathengisi okanye abantu obaziyo abazimisele ukunikezela

430
00:40:32,842 --> 00:40:41,410
ngeenkonzo kungekuphela nje ngemali, kodwa kananjalo ngeentsimbi
ezixabisekileyo, i-cryptocurrencies, kwiiringi zokutshintshiselana

431
00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:45,719
okanye kwezinye iindlela zemali yoluntu, nokuba yintoni na.

432
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,960
Andilapha ukuze ndigwebe ngento ekufuneka umntu ayisebenzise.

433
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,280
Ndicinga ukuba kufuneka usebenzise
yonke into ngaphandle kwee-CBDC.

434
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,440
Kwaye leyo yenye yezinto:

435
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:04,163
Logama nje sisebenzisa la mathole kwaye siqhubeka nokwakha uluntu
oluxhaswayo, ubuncinci kule meko yotshintsho, ukuze xa kuqaliswa

436
00:41:04,163 --> 00:41:12,886
inkqubo yokungasebenzisi mali kwaye abantu abaninzi ngakumbi beya
ngale ndlela, kusabekho abantu abazimiseleyo nokuphuma endleleni

437
00:41:12,886 --> 00:41:19,998
yabo, ukunyamezela ukungakhululeki ukuba kuyimfuneko, ukuze
bahlawule ngemali engukheshi okanye ngentsimbi

438
00:41:19,998 --> 00:41:26,760
exabisekileyo okanye ngayo nayiphi na enye
into, loo nto ke uqoqosho lunokuqhubeka ubuncinci.

439
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:32,710
Ngokuqinisekileyo, abantu abaninzi baza kuthatha
inxaxheba kwiintengiselwano ezingenamali ukuze baphumelele,

440
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:35,960
kodwa ithuba lokuba abantu bayixhase le luntu liyakubakho.

441
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,397
Kodwa ukuba asizilolongi la misipha size
sithi, "Owu, oku kuyakhathaza, ndifuna nje

442
00:41:41,397 --> 00:41:44,280
ukuya e-supermarket ndiyokuthenga loo nto."

443
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,440
Ngeli xesha kuza kufuneka ndihlawule ngekhadi.

444
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,400
Okukhona sisenza oku, kokukhona
sigutyungelwa yile hlabathi ingasebenzisi mali.

445
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:59,930
Ekugqibeleni, kumalunga nenkqubo yethu yemikhwa, kwaye
kufuneka siqhele ukunyamezela izinto ezingathandekiyo ukuze

446
00:41:59,930 --> 00:42:04,960
sixhase ilizwe esilifunayo size siphephe ilizwe esingalifuniyo.

447
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,139
Amen kuloo nto, James.

448
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,559
Sisondela esiphelweni sexesha lethu.

449
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:19,679
Ndonwabile ukongeza into yobuqu endicinga ngayo,
nto leyo engaphambuka kancinci kwisicwangciso.

450
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:24,679
Ndingathanda ukukuchazela imeko eqanjiweyo, James,
ndize ndazi ukuba ungaziphendula njani kule meko.

451
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:30,311
Ndiyazi ukuba kuye kwancokwa kakhulu ngalo mbandela, kwaye
uqikelelo sele luphuma esandleni ngendlela

452
00:42:30,311 --> 00:42:36,239
enokukukhathaza ukuba siphambukile endleleni size singene
kwiingongoma ezingapheliyo kumanqanaba ahlukeneyo.

453
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:43,639
Kodwa kufuneka ndikubuze into malunga nomzamo
otyholwayo wokubulala ngomhla we-13 kaJulayi , ingaba kulungile?

454
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,940
Ewe, kunjalo.

455
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:54,159
Ke, masithi uqhuba inkomfa kwaye kuvela umbuzo malunga nomzamo
ekutyholwa ukuba wawukuzama ukubulala ngomhla we-13 kaJulayi .

456
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:58,692
Abantu bayacaphuka, kubakho iintlobo ngeentlobo
zokucingela malunga noko kwenzekileyo

457
00:42:58,692 --> 00:43:01,880
ngokwenene, kwaye ngandlel' ithile uphambuke endleleni.

458
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,639
Uthatha isando sakho, ubuyisele uxolo.

459
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:10,880
Wenza ntoni ukugcina abantu bekwindlela
elungileyo kwimeko enjalo? Ungathini?

460
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:17,880
Ndicinga ukuba xa abantu sele bebonakalisile umdla
wabo, sekusemva kakhulu ukuba kungabhetelwa nje.

461
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:25,604
Andisoze ndiziphakamisele ukuxelela abantu ukuba macinge ntoni
okanye bachithe ixesha labo nangawaphi amehlo abo,

462
00:43:25,604 --> 00:43:32,440
kwaye andisoze ndibaxelele nokuba akufuneki
bachithe ixesha labo okanye amehlo abo koku okanye oko.

463
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,119
Kwaye nokuba bendinokwenza njalo,
ngubani onganamva kwaye kutheni?

464
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:43,043
Nangona kunjalo, ndingakwazi ngokuqinisekileyo ukuqaphela
ukubaluleka kwesiganeko esinje kum, njengomntu ongakholelwayo

465
00:43:43,043 --> 00:43:49,560
kwinkqubo yezopolitiko nakwinkqubo esinika 'ibhokisi
yeziphakamiso zobukhoboka' yeminyaka emine rhoqo kwiminyaka

466
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:56,483
emine, ayinamsebenzi ngaphandle kwemiba ephambili yemali
yebhanki engundoqo yedijithali kunye nomngquzulwano kwa-Israel

467
00:43:56,483 --> 00:43:59,800
nase-Ukraine nezinye izinto esithethe ngazo namhlanje.

468
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,679
Inkcazelo yokwenene yale nto ayinanto
yakwenza nalowo okanye nalowo mgqatswa wezopolitiko.

469
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:12,519
Kumalunga noko abantu abalawula le nkqubo befuna sikholelwe
ukuba kwenzekile, kunye nesizathu sokuba bafune sikholelwe kuko.

470
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:21,405
Ngoko ke, ukuba bendinokuthetha into kwimeko enjalo ecingelwayo,
bendingenokuthi nje kusenokuba luncedo ngakumbi ukujonga ukuba

471
00:44:21,405 --> 00:44:27,142
ithetha ntoni le siganeko, kutheni
sikhokeliswa ukuba sicinge kwaye sithethe ngesi

472
00:44:27,142 --> 00:44:30,920
siganeko ngendlela ethile, kwaye kunceda oobani oku.

473
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:38,760
Ukuba siyamkela eli bali njengoko lisinyanzelwa,
lisiya kusikhokelela phi kwaye isiphumo siza kuba yintoni?

474
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,925
Kwaye ukuba akukho sizathu sinye sinokufunyanwa, mhlawumbi
injongo nje kukusitsalela kwakhona kwingxoxo-mpikiswano

475
00:44:43,925 --> 00:44:48,591
yezopolitiko nokubuyisela ingqwalasela yomntu wonke
kwicala elithile lale ntsila elawulwayo eliphakathi

476
00:44:48,591 --> 00:44:51,400
kwesobunxele nesokudla, ukuze baye baxhase ngokwezopolitiko.

477
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:59,159
Kwaye nokuba kukuphela nje ukutsalela abantu kwakhona kule sirkasi
yomdlalo, oko kunokuba yintsingiselo yokwenene yomsitho onje.

478
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,599
Yiyo loo nto ubuncinci ndingayibeka le nto ukuze kuxoxwe ngayo.

479
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:06,840
Kulungile kakhulu, kulungile kakhulu.

480
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,079
Kulungile, umbuzo wokugqibela, James, umbuzo wokugqibela:

481
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:15,480
Wamangaliswa na xa uJulian Assange wayekhululwa?

482
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:24,079
Ndicinga njalo, nokuba kungenxa nje yebali elide, njengakwimfazwe
yase-Ukraine okanye yase-Afghanistan okanye nantoni na.

483
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:33,920
Kubonakala ngathi, kwixesha elithile, ukuyiyeka kule
nkqubo ingapheliyo, ikwesi simo, kuba yinjongo yokwenene.

484
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,923
Anditsho ukuba ngekuba nomdla ukubona ukuba ibiya
kuhamba njani enkundleni, kodwa andiqinisekanga nokuba

485
00:45:39,923 --> 00:45:43,559
bendingathanda ukubona ukuba ibiya kuphelela njani enkundleni.

486
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,559
Nokuba kunjani, kwandimangalisa.

487
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:47,760
Bendingalindelanga oko.

488
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,075
Andiyiboni njengoloyiso olumangalisayo
lwenkululeko yokuthetha, kuba into eyagqitywa yile

489
00:45:53,075 --> 00:45:57,119
yokuba, "Ewe, unetyala, ndinetyala, ngoku ndikhulule."

490
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:02,428
Kwaye oko akuncedi ncam kwingxaki esisiseko
yokuba sekumiswe umzekelo wokuba iindlela

491
00:46:02,428 --> 00:46:05,239
eziqhelekileyo zobuntatheli azisemthethweni.

492
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,639
Kwaye yile nto kanye emiselweyo apha.

493
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,400
Ngethamsanqa, kuba bekunokuba kubi ngakumbi.

494
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,500
Kwakunokubakho nesigwebo senkundla
esisemthethweni sokuba into ayenzileyo yayingekho

495
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,840
mthethweni, nto leyo ngebeke umzekelo ombi nangakumbi.

496
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,599
Kodwa ibinokuba ngcono.

497
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:29,719
kuba bekuya kuba ngcono kakhulu ukuchaza umntu
engasoli, owayesenza nje umsebenzi wakhe wokuba yintatheli.

498
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,599
Ngokuqinisekileyo, ngokuqinisekileyo.

499
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:38,696
Singathi mhlawumbi kufuneka sibhiyozele
ukukhululwa kwakhe, kodwa imibhiyozo yethu

500
00:46:38,696 --> 00:46:44,360
mayibe ithobekile, kuba iziphumo zesivumelwano.

501
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:50,932
Njengesiqhelo, kufuneka siqhubeke sigxila
kwiinyaniso nakwimiba ejikeleze eli tyala,

502
00:46:50,932 --> 00:46:55,000
kunokuba sigxile kubuntu babantu ababandakanyekayo.

503
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,280
Sivumelene, uchane ngokupheleleyo.

504
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:07,179
Kulungile, bahlanganyeli abahloniphekileyo benkomfa
ye-AZK, sithi mandivakale ngokuqhwaba izandla kuJames Corbett?

505
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:16,000
Kumnandi kakhulu, enkosi. Uzise apha unxibelelwano olunzulu.

506
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,960
Siyakuxabisa, siyakuthanda.

507
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,219
Enkosi, Dan, ngokhenketho olumangalisayo.

508
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,371
I-AZK ayilandeli naziphi na iimfuno zemali. Akukho nanye kwabo
basunguli, abathethi, okanye i-Kla.TV efumene imali yesiqendu

509
00:47:32,371 --> 00:47:33,789
sokuqhagamshela. Singathanda ukucacisa ngokucacileyo ukuba
le vidiyo ingaphinda iveliswe ikwimo yayo engatshintshwanga

510
00:47:33,789 --> 00:47:34,239
kangangoko kunqweneleka kwaye isasazwe simahla.]

511
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,830
Iigalelo zenzelwe iinjongo zokwazisa kuphela kwaye azibonisi
uluvo lwe-AZK. I-AZK liziko lolwazi elingathathi cala kuyo yonke

512
00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:37,001
imiba. Isithethi ngasinye sinoxanduva kuphela
lomnikelo waso, hayi lweminye iminikelo okanye

513
00:47:37,001 --> 00:47:37,960
i-AZK, kuba akukho nxulumano phakathi kwazo.]

514
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,533
[Isaziso esibalulekileyo: Ulwazi olunikezelwe apha luhlolwe
ngokupheleleyo ngokokwazi nokukholwa kwethu. Nangona kunjalo,

515
00:47:39,533 --> 00:47:40,950
izithethi nabavelisi abamkeli xanduva lweziphumo ezivela kwizenzo
okanye ukungakhathali okunxulumene nomxholo

516
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:42,159
wale vidiyo. Umntu ngamnye unoxanduva
olupheleleyo lwendlela abhekana ngayo noko bakuvayo.]