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Mehleng ea khale, Justitia e ne e le molimotsana oa toka,
'me le kajeno o ntse a le lets'oao la tsamaiso ea molao.

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Litshwantsho tsa hae tse tharo – leqhama le koahelang mahlo,
sekala letsohong la hae le letshehadi, le sabole ya moahlodi

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letsohong la hae le letona – di bontsha metheo ya rona ya molao.

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Ka hona, toka e lokela ho fanwa ntle le ho sheba
motho, kamora ho sekaseka ka hloko melemo le

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mathata, ebe e phethahatswa ka thata e hlokehang.

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Ke khopolo-taba, bonyane.

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Ha motho a sheba tse ling tsa liqeto tse fanoeng likhoeling tsa
morao tjena, mohloli ea sa tsebeng a ka fumana maikutlo a hore

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lesela la mahlo la Mofumahali oa Toka le theohile linyeoeng tse
ling, hore sekala se sekama haholo ka lehlakoreng le le

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leng, le hore sabole e ntse e hola ho ba kholo ho feta tekano
linyeoeng tse ling 'me e fetoha thipa ea pokothong ho tse ling.

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Mohlomong ena ke e 'ngoe ea mabaka a entseng
hore likarolo tse kholo tsa sechaba li

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lahleheloe ke tšepo lipolotiking le pusong ea molao.

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Hase qoso e akaretsang khahlanong le baahloli bohle, haholo-holo
kaha molao oa botlokotsebe o ipapisitse le

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molao-motheo oa in dubio pro reo – ha ho na bonnete,
moqosuoa o lokeloa – o lokelang ho sebetsa le ho bona.

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Leha ho le jwalo, mehlala e latelang e
hlahisa dipotso mme e etsa hore motho a nahane.

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1. Dikahlolo tse pedi tsa Lekgotla la Toka la Lebatowa la Dresden

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Ngaka Bianca Witzschel, ngaka e tswang
Moritzburg, o ne a le tshwarong ho tloha ka Hlakola 2023.

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Nyeoe, e neng e reretsoe ho nka matsatsi a 40, e ile ea tšoareloa
Lekhotleng la Toka la Setereke la Dresden karolong e nang le

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tšireletso e phahameng e boloketsoeng linyeoe tsa bokhukhuni,
moo moqosuoa a ileng a tlisoa a roesitsoe likhoka le liketane.

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Mang kapa mang ya belaellang hore ho na le mohlaseli wa
bompopi wa mosadi ho latela mehato ena ya tshireletso o fositse.

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Ka la 17 Phuptjane 2024, Ngaka Witzschel o ahlotsoe lilemo tse
peli le likhoeli tse robeli chankaneng ka lebaka la ho fana ka

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litifikeiti tse 1,003 tse lokollang batho
boikarabelong ba ho roala limaske nakong ea mehato ea

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coronavirus, hammoho le litlolo tsa Molao oa Libetsa.

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Ho feta moo, ho ile ha bewa kgelo ya selemo se tharo ya mosebetsi
mme lekeno la €47,000 le tswang ditifiking le ile la nkelwa.

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Pherekano e kana-kana ka ho koalloa u le mong le tšireletso e
phahameng ka lebaka la setifikeiti sa ngaka? Le tlolo ea molao ea

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libetsa, e ileng ea feteletsoa haholo mecheng e meng ea
phatlalatso – e ne e le feela letšoao la teko le

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le sieo ho sethunya se holofatsang – e bonahala e
le ntho e sa kholoeheng ntlheng ea Ngaka Witzschel:

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Joaloka motsomi le sethunya sa lipapali, o bile a
dumelletswe ka molao ho ba le ditlhobolo le dikulo!

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Ka mokhoa o tšoanang, litšenyehelo tse hakantsoeng tsa €45, ho
kenyelelitsoe le litšenyehelo tsa setifikeiti sa

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bongaka, ha se ntho e sa tloaelehang, kaha ka linako
tse ling ho fanoa ka litheko tse fapaneng haholo.

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Se etsang hore kahlolo ea Dr Witzschel e belaellehe le ho feta
ke hore ofisi ea mochochisi oa sechaba le moahloli ba sitiloe

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ho fumana mang kapa mang ea lemetseng nakong eohle ea nyeoe.

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Ho feta moo, li-protocol tsa RKI tse seng li
phatlalalitsoe li bontša ka ho hlaka hore limaske ha lia ka tsa

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thusa letho, empa li ile tsa kotsetsa ba neng ba li roetse.

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Ka mantsoe a mang, hantle-ntle seo Ngaka Witzschel a neng a se
tiisetsa bakuli ba hae le seo a neng a na le tokelo ea

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ho se etsa ho latela melao ea boitšoaro ea bongaka – re sa
bue ka hore o ne a tlamehile ho se etsa maemong a mang!

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Khoutu ea boitšoaro ea setsebi bakeng
sa lingaka tse sebetsang Jeremane §2

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Mosebetsi o akaretsang oa setsebi sa bongaka (1)

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Lingaka li sebetsa mosebetsi oa tsona ho latela letsoalo
la tsona, melao ea boitšoaro bo botle ba bongaka le botho.

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Ba ka 'na ba se ke ba amohela melao-motheo efe kapa efe kapa
ba latela melaoana kapa litaelo tse sa lumellaneng le mesebetsi

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ea bona kapa tseo ba ke keng ba ikarabella bakeng sa tsona.

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(2) Lingaka li tlameha ho sebetsa mosebetsi
oa bona ka botšepehi le ho phela ho latela

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tšepo e beiloeng ho tsona mosebetsing oa tsona.

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Ha ba etsa jwalo, ba tlameha ho theha diketso tsa
bona tsa bongaka hodima boiketlo ba bakudi ba bona.

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Haholo-holo, ha baa lokela ho beha lithahasello tsa
batho ba bang ka holimo ho bophelo bo botle ba bakuli.

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Batho ba bangata baa ipotsa hore na kahlolo e joalo ke kotlo e
feteletseng kapa mohlala o khahlanong le lingaka tse ileng tsa

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latela letsoalo la tsona 'me tsa se ke tsa latela leano la
mmuso nakong ea mehato ea coronavirus – kapa hore na

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Ngaka Witzschel o ile a fumana moahloli feela ea thata haholo.

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Bonyane hoo ho ka qheleloa ka thoko, hobane moahloli ea
okametseng Jürgen Scheuring le eena a ka fapana haholo.

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O ahlola 'muelli oa molao lilemo tse peli tsa teko ka
lebaka la ho betella mosebeletsi oa hae oa mehleng hararo!

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Na motho ea thusitseng batho ba
bangata haholo o kotsi ho feta moqheku?

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2. Neng lilemo le bokulo di sireletsa kgahlanong le qoso?

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Ka Phuptjane 2024, ho phethetsoe dinyewe tse pedi, e
nngwe le e nngwe e amang motho ya hodileng e le moqosuoa.

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E 'ngoe e ne e le ka sehlōhō se bitsoang sa Cum-Ex, moo beng
ba liabo ba ileng ba buseletsoa makholo a libilione tsa lekhetho

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pakeng tsa 2006 le 2011, leo esale ba sa le lefa qalong.

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Tona-kholo ea hajoale ea Jeremane, Olaf Scholz, le eena o
ameha le sekhobo sena mme o se a qobeletsehile ho fana ka bopaki

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ka pel'a komiti ea lipatlisiso – empa ha a ka a hopola letho.

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Mochochisi e moholo oa linyeoe tsa bomenemene ba Cum-Ex, Anne
Brorhilker, o itokollotse mosebetsing ka Mmesa 2024 hobane

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tsoelopele e ne e le butle haholo 'me ho ne ho e-na le khanyetso
e matla ho tsoa ho boralipolotiki ba maemong a phahameng.

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Ka hona, nyeoe ena, e qalileng feela ka Loetse
selemong se fetileng, e ne e le ea bohlokoa

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haholo, kaha e ne e reretsoe ho hlakisa taba ea Cum-Ex.

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Christian Olearius, eo e neng e le hlooho ea banka ea poraefete
le motho eo Chancellor Scholz a mo tšepang, o

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qositsoe ka tlolo ea molao e tebileng haholo
ea ho qoba lekhetho e kaalo ka €280 milione.

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Leha ho le jwalo, ka ho makatsa ba bangata, nyeoe ya
botlokotsebe e se e emisitswe ka lebaka la "bophelo bo bobe"

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ba moqosuoa ya dilemo di 82 – kgatello e phahameng ya madi.

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Tsheko ya Ursula Haverbeck ya dilemo tse 95, ya
neng a tsamaisitswe ke ngaka mme a fihla ka setulo

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sa maoto lekaleng la tsheko, e ne e fapane haholo.

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O ile a tlameha ho leta hoo e ka bang lilemo tse robong bakeng
sa tsheko ena ya boipiletso mabapi le nyeoe ya Tjheshane 2015.

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O qosilwe ka lebaka la polelo ya hae ya hore Auschwitz e ne
e se kampo ya phediso, empa e ne e le kampo ya mosebetsi.

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Ka lebaka la sena, jwale o ahloletswe ke Lekgotla la Toka la
Lebatowa la Hamburg kahlolo ya chankana ya selemo se le seng

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le dikgwedi tse nne kaofela, ka lebaka la ho qholotsa setjhaba.

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Kahlolo e fetileng bakeng sa polelo e
tšoanang e ile ea nkoa ka kelellong.

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Ursula Haverbeck o se a qositsoe makhetlo a 'maloa ka ho latola
Polao e Sehlōhō ea Bajude 'me o se a sebelitse lilemo tse peli

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le halofo chankaneng Bielefeld bakeng sa tlolo ena ea molao.

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Maikutlo a fapana mabapi le hore na melao e lokela ho lelekelwa
le ho phethahatsoa kamehla ka matla a feletseng a molao,

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kapa hore na, maemong a mang, jwaloka ho batho ba
hodileng le ba kulang, ho lokela ho bontshwa mohau o itseng.

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Leha ho le jwalo, batho ba bangata ba fumana ho sa utlwisisehe
hore, ka lehlakoreng le leng, ho ntse ho phehelwa dinyewe tse

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mmalwa tsa molao tse fellang ka kahlolo ya molato ka lebaka la
polelo e seng molaong e entsweng ke mosadi ya kulang ya dilemo di

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95, athe ka lehlakoreng le leng, dipatlisiso tsa
boqhekanyetsi bo amang dibilione tsa diponto di a

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tlohelwa ka lebaka la kgatello e phahameng ya madi.

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Empa mohlomong ho bile le litšusumetso tse ling, tse sa
tsejoeng ke sechaba ka kakaretso, tse lebisitseng ho sena?

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3. Tlhekefetso kapa maikutlo – ke sefe se mpe ho feta?

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Ditlaleho tsa peto ya sehlopha serapeng sa toropo sa
Hamburg di ile tsa baka kgalefo e kgolo ka Lwetse 2020.

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Selemo le halofo hamorao, kahlolo ea Lekhotla la Toka la
Lebatooa la Hamburg e ile ea baka khalefo naheng ka bophara.

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Bakeng sa tlhekefetso ea thobalano le peto e pheta-phetoang ea
ngoanana ea lilemo li 15 ke batlōli ba molao ba robong ba lilemo

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li pakeng tsa 16 le 20, moahloli o fane ka
kahlolo e le 'ngoe feela ea chankana, ha ba bang

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ba robeli ba fumana likahlolo tse emisitsoeng.

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Ho bobebe ha kahlolo ho makatsa le ho feta,
haholo-holo ha ho nahanoa hore baetsadibe ha baa ka

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ba bontsha boinyatso bakeng sa ketso tsa bona.

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Ha mosali ea lilemo li 20 a utloa ka peto ea sehlopha serapeng sa
toropo sa Hamburg, o ile a halefa haholo hoo a ileng a

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bitsa e mong oa bapeti "kolobe ea peto e hlabisang
lihlong" le "sefofu se nyonyehang" melaetseng ea WhatsApp.

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Ke ka lebaka leo jwale a neng a eme ka pela
Lekgotla la Toka la Lebatowa la Hamburg mme a

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ahlolelwa ho qeta mafelo a beke setshwarong sa batjha.

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Ka hona, mocha enoa ea lilemo li 20 o tla amohuoa tokoloho
ea hae nako e telele ho feta ea bahlanahali ba robeli ho ba

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robong ba ngoanana eo, ka lebaka la ho rohakanya mohlekefetsi.

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Ke tekanyetso efe ea kahlolo ha lekhotla le nka peto e
pheta-phetoang ea ngoanana e monyane, e nang le litlamorao tsa

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kelello tse tšoarellang bophelo bohle, e le
tlolo ea molao e seng matla hakaalo ho feta "ho

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senya lebitso" la moqhekelli ka mantsoe feela?

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Ka tloaelo, ofisi ea mochochisi oa sechaba e
fuputsa litlolo tsa molao tsa ho senya

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lebitso feela haeba ho na le thahasello ea sechaba.

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Hase hakaalo, kaha tsena e ne e le
melaetsa ea WhatsApp e tobileng.

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Kaha ofisi ea mochochisi oa sechaba e ntse e fuputsa linyeoe
tse ling tse 140 ntle le ea mocha ea lilemo li 20, ho hlahlojoa

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hore na 'muso o na le thahasello efe ka likahlolo tse joalo.

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Kapa ofisi ea mochochisi ea sechaba ha e
na letho le molemo leo e ka le etsang?

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U ea kae, thuto ea molao?

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Tsena ke litekanyo tse tharo feela.

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Maemong a mang a mangata, haholoholo mabapi le mehato ya
coronavirus, dits'ebetso le diahlolo tse ding ha di utlwahale.

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Ka nako e 'ngoe sena se baka lipelaelo tsa tšusumetso ea 'muso.

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Litšabo tse joalo li hlohleletsoa le ho feta ke linyeoe tse
kang ea moahloli oa lekhotla la malapa Christian Dettmar.

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Ka la 8 Mmesa 2021, Lekhotleng la Bahlanka la Weimar, o
ile a hlakola taelo ea ho roala limaske likolong tse peli

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tsa toropo ka lebaka la kotsi e amanang le boiketlo ba bana.

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Sena se ile sa fella ka pherekano ntlong ea hae, moo ho ileng ha
phenyekoloa ofisi ea hae, lehae la hae le

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koloi, 'me mohala oa hae oa letsoho oa nkoa ka lebaka
la kahlolo eo e neng e sa ratehe lipolotiking.

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Baahlodi ba lokolohile hakae dikahlolong tsa bona haeba ba
tlameha ho tshaba phuputso ya ntlo le ho emisiwa mosebetsing?

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E mong o tlameha a be a qalile
mehato kgahlanong le Moahlodi Dettmar.

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Etsoe, bachochisi ba sechaba naheng ea Jeremane ba laoloa ke
litaelo – ke ka lebaka leo, ho latela kahlolo

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ea Lekhotla la Toka la Europe, ba sa lumelloeng
ho fana ka liwaranti tsa ho tšoara tsa Europe.

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Ka lebaka la moea o chesang oa mecha ea litaba o potileng
coronavirus, batho ba bang ba ntse ba ka utloela ho hlaseloa ha

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Moahloli Dettmar bohloko – mahlabisa-lihlong a
bile pepeneneng ho tloha ha ho phatlalatsoa

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metsotso ea RKI, e neng e lumeletsoe hore e lokolloe.

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Tsena di bontsha hore boradipolotiki ba ikarabellang bakeng sa
mehato ya coronavirus ba ne ba tseba hore

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dimaskhu ha di sireletse ebile ha di thuse, empa di
beha ba di roetseng kotsing ya bophelo bo botle.

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Kahoo, Moahloli Dettmar o entse qeto hantle-ntle eng.

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Ho na le litlhaloso tse ngata tsa kelello
bakeng sa boitšoaro bo belaetsang ba baahloli

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bana, empa ha re batle ho kena likhakanyong.

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Haholo-holo kaha sena ha se thuse ba ahlotsoeng ka sehlōhō ho
feta tekano ho feta kamoo se thusang le bona ba leng mahlatsipa

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a batšoaruoa bana ba lipolotiki ba aparang liaparo tse ntsho.

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Bamameli ba ratehang, Dikahlolo di
phatlalatswa lebitsong la setjhaba.

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Joale le batho ba lokela ho tsebisoa
ka se etsahalang ka lebitso la bona.

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Ka hona, ka kopo fetisetsa molaetsa ona ho
metswalle ya hao le batho bao o ba tsebang mme

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o o arolelane marang-rang a hao a setjhaba.

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Sehokelo se bonts'hitswe ka tlase.

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Ho feta moo, ho bohlokwa haholo hore
ditshebetso tse jwalo di etswe phatlalatsa.

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Haeba ho kgoneha, ka kopo, ba teng ditshekong
tse jwalo tsa lekgotla. Ke a leboha haholo!