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Kunzima kakhulu esiteji esivulekile kanje,
ngoba noma ubheke ngaleyo ndlela bese bebona

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umhlane wakho kuphela, noma ubheke ngaleyo ndlela.

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Hhayi-ke, manje sekukhona kuphela abahlanganyeli balomhlangano.

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Okokuqala, ngiyajabula ukuthi nonke nilapha.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu.

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Sawubona, Berlin.

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Sanibonani nonke abavela kuyo yonke iJalimane.

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Ngicelwe ukuthi ngikhulume amagama ambalwa
ngesihloko semfundo noma ngokwamukela okwedlule.

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Kungani kufanele ngikhulume ngokwamukela okwedlule?

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Intatheli evela e-SWR isanda kubuza lo mbuzo
ngesikhathi somhlangano wabezindaba esingahleliwe lapha.

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Intatheli ye-SWR yabuzisa uMnu Ballweg,
"Kungani ngempela ufuna ukuhlola kabusha okwedlule?"

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Bafuna ngempela ukuhlola kabusha ini?

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Njengoba uMichael esenikeze impendulo,
ngithanda ukuphinda nginike impendulo yami esiteji.

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Bengingathi kumlingani wami wase-SWR:

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Kungani ungambuzi uPaul Schreier?

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Buza u-Aya Velasquez.

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Buza uDkt Christian Hafner.

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Buza labo abasebenza njengabezindaba, hhayi
emithonjeni ephambili noma emithonjeni evamile, noma

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ngabe uyibiza kanjani, kodwa njengabezindaba abazimele.

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Labo abangatholi uxhaso lukahulumeni, kodwa okumele basebenze
ngokuzimela, kumele bathole izindlela zokuzixhasa ngemali.

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Buza laba ozakwenu, abezindaba abafanayo,
ukuthi ukubuyekezwa kabusha kusho ukuthini.

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Ukwamukela okwedlule kusho kuqala nangaphezulu konke ukubuza
imibuzo, hhayi nje ukuvuma ngokunqikiza, kodwa ukubuza imibuzo.

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Futhi yilokho abasebenza nabo abakwenzile.

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Futhi laba ozakwethu bathole imizuzu yomhlangano yeRobert Koch
Institute kanye nethimba lokuphatha ingozi

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ye-coronavirus, ingxenye ngenxa yezinyathelo
zomthetho kanye nengxenye ngenxa yokuvuza kolwazi.

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Futhi bahleli bezindaba abathandekayo e-SWR, uma ningakaboni:

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Sibone ukwephulwa okukhulu kakhulu
kwamalungelo abalulekile abantu eRiphabhulikhi Yezwe

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yaseJalimane kusukela eMpini Yezwe Yesibili.

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Futhi lapho bebuzwa ukuthi yini empeleni esidinga
ukuyamukela, angimangali ukuthi sesineminyaka eminingi edlule.

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Ngoba abezindaba, okufanele basebenze njengesigaba
sesine futhi bangenelele lapho kudingeka khona,

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bahlulekile ngokuphelele emsebenzini wabo wokubuza.

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Futhi kuyakuqondakala ukuthi akukho ukubuyekezwa
okufunwayo lapha, ukuthi akukho ukubuyekezwa okufunwayo lapha.

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Futhi ukuhlaziywa kabusha nakho
bekuyoba ukuhlaziywa kabusha kwezombusazwe.

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Ukuhlola kabusha kuzoba kusho ukusungula
ikomidi locwaningo, ikhomishini yophenyo.

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Ungabona ukuthi kunzima kangakanani
kubaphathi bezepolitiki ukwamukela lokhu.

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Kodwa lokho kuyakuqondakala, vele.

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Kungani abenzi bobubi bekufanele bachaze izenzo zabo?

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Lokho kungaba okufanayo nokuvumela amaphoyisa lapha eBerlin ukuthi
bazihlolele ngokwabo kamuva ukuthi benze konke kahle noma cha.

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Ngakho-ke ngiyabuza, kuphi ukumbozwa kwabezindaba?

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Kodwa ngingathanda futhi ukukhuluma ngamagama
amabili avela emkhakheni oyinhloko okufanele akhulunywe

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lapha, kuleli sikhala futhi phambi kwalezi zethameli.

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Bona nguJürgen Mladek – owashona muva nje
ngokudabukisayo – owayengumhleli omkhulu

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wephephandaba iNordkurier, noSimone Schamann.

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Simone Schamann manje usebenza eNius.

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Futhi uSimone Schamann usebuze imibuzo ebalulekile
yeNordkurier eyayifanele imithombo yezindaba eyinhloko

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ukuyibuza ngesikhathi kwakungakafaneleki ukwenza kanjalo.

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Waphinde wathola isixwayiso eKhanselini Yezabezindaba.

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Manje lalela ngokucophelela:

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USimone Schamann uxotshiwe yiKhonsili
Yezindaba ngenxa yokuthi izindatshana zakhe

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zazoholela ekwehleni kokuzimisela ukugonywa eJalimane.

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Kuze kube yilapho, bengingaqapheli ukuthi
iKhonsili Yezabezindaba eJalimane inomthwalo

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wokuqinisekisa ukuthi abantu bazimisele ukugonywa noma cha.

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Konke lokhu kuhlobene kanjani nokwamukela okwedlule?

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Uma sibheka lokho, ngubani okufanele abhekane nakho?

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Ngisungule isikhungo sami nabalingani abaningana.

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Okusho isikhungo sokuphenya, sokuhlola kabusha, sokumangalela
ngokomthetho nokuvimbela ubugebengu bokuphatha kabi abantu.

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Abantu abaningi bahlale bebuzwa, kungani
kunezobugebengu bokuphatha kabi abantu?

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Ngoba lokho esikuhlangenwe nakho
lapha kwakuyizono ezibhekiswe ebantwini.

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Abantu baye bahlukunyezwa.

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Odokotela basahlukunyezwa namuhla.

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Odokotela bathunyelwa ejele ngenxa yokwenza umsebenzi wabo.

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Omsizi wami uRainer Füllmich usejele eGöttingen.

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Naye wayengumkhanyisi omkhulu.

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Ukulungisana kungenzeka kuphela
uma sishintsha izimo zezepolitiki.

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Ngoba izimo zezepolitiki esizitholele kuzo, lapho nje
silahla amandla, ngeke ziholele ekuhlolweni kabusha okufanele.

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Ngoba, njengoba ngishilo, abenzi bobubi
kuzofanele bazibhekane nalokho abakwenzile.

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Akekho ongacabanga ukuthi labo abenze lezi zenzo
zobudlova kuluntu bazovuka bathi: Yebo, siyenzile.

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Manje sifuna ukumangalelwa phambi kwamajaji esizikhethele
wona, phambi kwabamangaleli esizikhethele wona, ukuze

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bakwazi ukwahlulela ukuthi okwenzile kwakuhle noma kwakubi.

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Ezinyangeni ezintathu ezedlule, ngaphambi
kokuvuza kwamafayela e-RKI, abahluleli bonke

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bangitshela ukuthi ngaleso sikhathi benza konke kahle.

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Manje kulindeleke ukuthi laba bahluleli baqale ngokungazelelwe
ukubuyekeza okwedlule. Lokho nakho ngeke kusebenze.

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Kuzosebenza kuphela uma

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URalf Boes usanda kukwazisa lokhu, futhi ngiyavumelana noRalf
Boes nabanye abaningi. Sicela ubheke iwebhusayithi ayishilo.

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Ngikholelwa ukuthi sidinga ukudlula emazweni wesifundazwe.

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Sinezimiso zethu ezizimele kuzo
zonke izifundazwe zikahulumeni omkhulu.

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Futhi njengoba kuyimithethosisekelo ehlukene,
ngayinye yemithethosisekelo yombuso wefederal

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isivumela ukuthi siyiguqule le mithethosisekelo.

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Sinamandla ezandleni zethu.

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Awazi nje.

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URainer Mausfeld uhlala ethi kunabalingisi
bokukhohlisa abanekhono elikhulu abasebenza.

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Siphila ekuqhosheni kwedemokhrasi.

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Kuthiwa sinedemokhrasi.

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Kodwa sinedemokhrasi yamele kuphela.

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Futhi idemokhrasi yommeli empeleni iyisembozo nje sokuqinisekisa
ukuthi sisaphila ku-aristokhrasi noma ku-oligarki.

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Kodwa i-demokhrasi yommeli,
i-demokhrasi yommeli, iyiphikisana nademokhrasi.

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Ngoba into eyodwa kuphela idemokhrasi yemeleyo ekuvumela ukuyenza
wukukhetha labo ababusa phezu kwakho njalo eminyakeni emine.

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Kodwa kuphela kusuka kwisiyingi
esincane salabo ababusa phezu kwakho.

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Awunalo nhlobo ithuba lokunquma okuqukethwe kwezombusazwe,
izinyathelo zezombusazwe, nemithetho yezombusazwe.

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Yize mina nawe singabantu baleli lizwe.

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Lokhu kusho, nokho, ukuthi
singathatha lo mandla emazweni ahlangene.

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Lowo mbuzo wamandla.

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Ngemva kwalokho esikuhlangenwe nakho eminyakeni emine
edlule, thina njengabantu kumele sibuze umbuzo wamandla.

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Futhi uma singakwenzi, sesibonile nje kwenzeka ngenxa
yokuvinjelwa kwemagazini esingavunyelwe ukuyisho igama layo,

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ngoba ngaphandle kwalokho besizophula izimo ezibekwe kithi.

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Akubalulekile ukuthi yini ekulesi magazini.

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Uma umbuso evimba abezindaba, akukho ukubuyekezwa kabusha.

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Khona-ke kusala ukubusa kuphela,
futhi kumele sizivikele ngokubambisana.

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Ngizokuqala.

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Kusukela kusasa, ngizohamba no-ZAAVV mobile, kusho lapho.

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Kusukela mhla ziyi-4 ku-Agasti, okusho
kusasa, kuze kube mhla ziyi-22 ku-Septhemba kulo

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lonke elaseSaxony, Thuringia naseBrandenburg.

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Ngizovakasha emazweni amathathu ngoba
kuyobanjwa ukhetho lukahulumeni wesifundazwe kuwo wonke.

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Futhi ngithanda ukukhuthaza abantu kulezi zizwe
ukuthi bashintshe umthethosisekelo wabo bese bethi:

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Esikhathini esizayo, thina njengesizwe sifuna
ukuba nesisho sokugcina, futhi phawula amazwi ami.

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Sifuna ukukwazi ukubuza, ukuvimba
nokuvimbela zonke izinqumo zezepolitiki.

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Lelo ilungelo esinalo njengabantu.

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Kanti-ke, ukuphendula umbuzo owavela lapha ngaphambilini.

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Khona-ke akubalulekile nhlobo ukuthi kube nethimba
noma cha, ngoba thina bantu sesithatha ukulawula.

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Manje-ke, ekuphetheni, ngithanda ukuphinda ngithi
abantu abaningi... O, kufanele futhi ngisho ukuthi

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kunabasebenzi bethu abaningi nabasizi abaningi ku-ZAAVV mobile.

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Kukhona amaphosta, amakhadi eposi, namakhadi
eposi mayelana nesivumelwano se-WHO, isibonelo.

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Impela kuzoba nemibiko ngakho
namuhla, mayelana nesivumelwano se-WHO.

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Ngivame ukubuzwa ukuthi uphatha kanjani
ukuqhubeka useshashalazini, uhamba ezweni lonke, ukuba

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khona lapho, futhi udlula ezinqubweni zenkantolo.

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Uyenza kanjani ukuba namandla lawa nokuqhubeka?

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Ngifuna ukusho into eyodwa.

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Kimina, akukho enye indlela ngaphandle kwalokhu.

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Kuyikusasa lethu, kuyikusasa lezingane zethu,
futhi kuyikusasa bezingane zezingane zethu.

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Futhi noma siyishiya kwabanye, siyishiya
ikusasa kwabanye, noma siyithathe ezandleni zethu.

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Kimina, akukho mibuzo ngalokhu.
Sithatha ikusasa lethu ezandleni zethu.

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Futhi into eyodwa yokugcina engingayisho.

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Manje sesigxekile imithombo
yezindaba ehamba phambili neyemikhulu.

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Kodwa ungakhohlwa, sinemithombo yezindaba ehlukahlukene.

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Sinezinkqubo eziningi ezinhle kakhulu, noma ngabe yi-Kontrafunk,
i-Radio Morgenröte, i-Apolut, i-Klartext,

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i-Bürgerzeitung, futhi okokugcina kodwa hhayi okuncane,
okubaluleke kakhulu kimi, ukumelana kwedemokhrasi.

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Eminyakeni emine, ukumelana kwedemokhrasi kube umngane wakho.

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Impela, angikashono zonke; ziningi kakhulu.

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Futhi ukumelana kwedemokhrasi
kunamaphrojekthi amasha amaningi amahle okwamanje.

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Bheka lokho futhi. Kodwa hamba
ezinkundleni zezindaba ezingezinye.

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Eqinisweni, lezi azisekho njengemithombo yemidiya ehlukile.

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Empeleni, lezo yimidiya eyinhloko, kanti ezinye
aziyona imidiya ehlukile, kodwa imidiya yakudala nje.

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Uxolo, inkululeko, ukuzimela!