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Bafowethu nodadewethu, ngiyanibingelela lapha eBerlin.

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Isimenywa sami namuhla nguDkt. Krüger. Kuyajabulisa ukuba lapha.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngesimemo.

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Nksz Krüger, awuchithanga isikhathi noma
umzamo futhi uhambile yonke indlela usuka eSweden.

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Izolo indiza yakho yafika eBerlin.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngokuhamba yonke le ndlela.

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Isizathu ukuthi ushicilele incwadi. Futhi sinabo
lapha abashaywe umjovo wokugoma – asebashonile.

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Lena i-atlas ye-histopathological
yokulimala kwemithi yokugoma ye-coronavirus.

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Futhi namuhla sizokhuluma kancane okwengeziwe
ngokuthi yiziphi iziqondiso ozitholile lapho.

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Kodwa kuqala, kubabukeli abangakajwayelani nawe okwamanje.

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Ungasitshela amaqiniso ambalwa ngawe: uvela
kuphi, wenza muphi umsebenzi, futhi yini

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ekugcineni ekubuyisele lapha? Ngingajabula ukukwenza.

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Nginguchwepheshe wezifo futhi
ngisebenze kwezifo iminyaka engu-25.

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Futhi mhlawumbe okubalulekile
kubabukeli, i-pathology iyisifundo sezifo.

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Futhi uchwepheshe wezifo uhlonza izifo.

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Futhi lesi sixilongo sivame ukuba isisekelo sokwelashwa.

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Futhi odokotela bezifo bavame
ukuhlotshaniswa nokuhlolwa komzimba ngemva kokufa.

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Ukuhlolwa komzimba ngemva kokufa nakanjani
nakho kuyingxenye yomsebenzi wepatologist.

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Kodwa emsebenzini wami, lokho
kwakuyingxenye encane kakhulu kuphela.

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Ngakho-ke, eminyakeni engu-18 edlule, bengihlale
ngibandakanyeka kakhulu ekuxilongweni komdlavuza wamabele.

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Futhi sengibe eSweden iminyaka engu-20.

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Ngisebenze njengodokotela omkhulu wezifo
eklinikini eVäxjö, eningizimu yeSweden, iminyaka eyishumi.

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Futhi eminyakeni emine yokugcina engikhona lapho,
ngangiyiMqondisi Wezokwelapha Wezokuxilonga eVäxjö.

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Ngemva kwalokho, ngaya eKalmar, okwase naseNingizimu
yeSweden, futhi ngaqashwa lapho njengodokotela omkhulu.

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Ngasikhathi sinye, ngangisebenza
njengodokotela omkhulu esibhedlela samanyuvesi eLund,

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lapho ngenza ucwaningo ngomdlavuza wamabele.

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Manje-ke mayelana nami.

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Uletha ingcebo yobuchwepheshe nawe.

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Futhi lokho nakho sekufakiwe kule ncwadi.

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Manje sekuyi-atlas ye-histopathology.

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Kimina njengomuntu ongachwepheshe, noma mhlawumbe
kwabanye bababukeli bethu, lokho akusho lutho ekuqaleni.

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Yini okusho ukuthi 'histopathological'? Kubhekisela ini?

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I-histopathology empeleni amagama
amabili. I-histology iyisifundo sezicubu.

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Futhi sasivele sinayo i-pathology
ngaphambilini, okuyisifundo sezifo.

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Futhi i-histopathology isho ukuthi uchwepheshe wezifo
ubheka izingcezu zamacwecwe ngaphansi kwemayikroskopu.

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Ngakho-ke ungabona ithishu. Ungabona izinguquko ezibangelwa
izifo ethishwini. Yingakho kubizwa ngokuthi i-histopathology.

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Kulungile. Futhi lolu hlobo lwe-atlas luyingqayizivele
emhlabeni wonke. Kungani ngempela luyingqayizivele?

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Incwadi ifingqa imiphumela kaProfesa Burkhardt, owaphinde
wahlola cishe izigameko ezingama-90 zokuhlolwa komzimba.

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Futhi laba ngabantu asebashonile abashone
ngokuhambisana nesikhathi sokugonywa kwe-coronavirus.

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Futhi uProfesa Burkhardt wathumela lezi zimo kuye.

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Kuvame ukuthi abazalwane bakholelwa ukuthi lezi zokugoma
kungenzeka ukuthi zaba yimbangela yokufa kwabathandekayo babo.

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Ngakho-ke, ngakolunye uhlangothi, le ncwadi iqukethe
izithombe ze-histoloji, okungukuthi izithombe

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ze-histopatholoji esazikhuluma ngazo. Leso yisigaba sezithombe.

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Futhi-ke, ngemuva kakhulu, engxenyeni
yangemuva, kukhona izincazelo zamacala.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi lapha kukhona zonke izimo ezinembali
yezokwelapha, ukugoma, ukuthi bashona kungakapheli

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isikhathi esingakanani emva kokugoma, nokuthi yiliphi ugomo.

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Ungafunda konke ngakho kulesi sigaba semibhalo yamacala.

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Futhi akukho olunye ukuqoqwa okufana nalokhu emhlabeni okwamanje.

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Ukuze ngilungiselele le ngxoxo, sengivele
ngabheka ezinye izibonelo zokufunda nezicucu

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ezivela ku-atlas. Futhi kunjalo ngqo njengoba uchaza.

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Ngakho-ke, kokubili kochwepheshe, ozakwethu
abavela e-pathology, kanye nomuntu ongase

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angakakabhekanga ngokuningiliziwe kukho okwamanje.

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Impela kukhona okuthile lapha ongakwenza ngakho okuthile,
ikakhulukazi ngoba nawe uchaza indaba yangemuva kanye

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nemvelo, ngaleyo ndlela wethula konke ngendlela elula ukuqonda.

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Ngakho-ke, noma kunjalo, kwaba yithuba
elihle kimi ukuyibheka ngokucophelela.

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Usuke waphawula ukuthi uProfesa Arne
Burkhardt naye wenze ucwaningo oluningi kule ndawo.

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Futhi usebenzise izithombe zikaProfesa Arne
Burkhardt encwadini yakho, phakathi kwezinye izinto.

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Kwenzeke kanjani ukuthi nahlangana futhi
nagcina nisebenza ndawonye ngale ndlela?

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UProfesa Arne Burkhardt wethule ingqungquthela
yokuqala yezifo ngo-2021 kanye noMnu Becker, ummeli.

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Futhi uProfesa Arne Burkhardt wethule
amacala lapho okwenzeka khona izigameko ngemva

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kokunikezwa kwalezi zitozo, okungukuthi ukufa.

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Wathi-ke ukuthi uma, njengomhloli wezifo, uzizwa
ungathanda ukubheka kabusha imiphumela, uma

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ungakakholwa ngokuphelele, kufanele uxhumane naye.

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Futhi njengoba ngingokwemvelo
nginomdlandla wokwazi, ngamxhumana naye.

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Sibuyekeze futhi saxoxa ngezimo eziningana
ku-inthanethi, okwaholela ekubambisaneni.

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Futhi sasihlangana kaningi emasimpoziyamu nasemihlangano.

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Futhi muva nje ngoJanuwari 2023
emhlanganweni omkhulu eStockholm, eSweden.

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Futhi enye yezinto ezavela lapho kwakuwukuthi
kwakubaluleke kakhulu kuye ukuthi le miphumela

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ishicilelwe, okusho ukuthi yamenyezelwa emphakathini.

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Futhi wathi futhi ukuthi ngingasebenzisa izithombe zakhe.

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Ngakho-ke kubalulekile ukuthi umphakathi waziswe
ngalokho okwenzekile ngemva kwalokhu ukugonywa.

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Nokho, incwadi iqukethe izithombe ezimbili kuphela ezibhalwe
nguProfesa Burkhardt, kanti ezinye ezingu-110 ziyizithombe zami.

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Ngakho cishe unyaka owedlule, ngahamba ngaya eReutlingen,
esikhungweni sikaProfesa Burkhardt, ngabheka amacala lapho.

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Futhi ngakhetha lawo, ngakhetha
izingcezu ezifanele kakhulu le ncwadi.

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Iqiniso liwukuthi uProfesa Burkhardt
washona ngokuzumayo ngoMeyi ngonyaka odlule.

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Ngamangala kakhulu futhi ngabhala encwadini
yokuzwela ukuthi ngizokwenza konke okusemandleni ami

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ukuqinisekisa ukuthi le miphumela yembulwe obala.

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Kanti-ke, ngemva kokuchitha unyaka ngiqoqa
imiphumela futhi ngiyifaka encwadini, mina...

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Futhi kule ncwadi uchaza izinhlobo ezingama-57 zamacala ahlukene.

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Ungasinika izibonelo ezimbalwa zokuthi
ngempela kufanele sizicabange kanjani lokhu?

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Ucwaningile ini ngempela? Futhi ekugcineni
wafinyelela miphi iziphetho nemiphumela?

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Ngizojabula kakhulu. Ngiletha izithombe ezimbalwa nami.

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Ngizobeka lokhu phansi ukuze ukwazi ukubona isikrini kangcono.

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Isibonelo, nansi icala elidabukisayo
kakhulu elihilela intombazane eneminyaka engu-16.

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Wayefuna ngempela ukuya ohambweni
lwesikole, ngakho wayefuna ukuthola le mjekelo, yize

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unina wathi, "Ungayenzi, akulungile kuwe."

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Umama usebenza kwezempilo yena uqobo, kodwa wabe
esethi: Kulungile, ngiyamqonda indodakazi yami.

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Wabe esethi: Kulungile, qhubeka wenze lokho.

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Futhi ngemva kokugonywa kwesibili, intombazane
yawa phansi ezinsukwini eziyisishiyagalombili kamuva.

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Futhi naye wayengazizwa kahle, wawa
etafuleni lokudlela, futhi umama wakhe wamvuselela.

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Intombazane yamukelwa esibhedlela kodwa yafa
ezinsukwini ezingama-22 emva kwalokhu kugonywa kwesibili.

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Futhi lapha ungabona ukusikeka kwenhliziyo yentombazane.

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Futhi endaweni lapho izinkanyezi zibonakala
khona, ungabona lezi zindawo ezikhanyayo

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kakhulu. Futhi lokho kuwukufa kwezicubu zenhliziyo.

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Ngakwesobunxele, usengabona igazi
lapho umcibisholo okhomba khona.

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Futhi uma ubheka ngokucophelela, ungabona
lapha engxenyeni engezansi ukuthi

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imicibisholo emibili ikhomba kumachashazi amnyama.

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Lezi yi-lymphocytes, okungukuthi
amaseli wokuvuvukala emisipha yenhliziyo.

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Futhi endaweni ephezulu, lapho ithambile khona,
kukhona ama-phagocyte kanye nezicubu zesibazi ezithambile.

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Ngakho-ke lokhu kuyicala le-myocarditis ephindaphindayo.

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Futhi inhliziyo yabukeka kanje
ezindaweni eziningi, okungahambisani nokuphila.

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Bese ngilethe elinye icala nami.

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Lo mfana oneminyaka engu-22 ubudala wayengumgijimi
wokubhukuda emqhudelwaneni futhi wabona ukwehla okukhulu

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ekusebenzeni kwakhe ngemva kokugoma kwakhe kwesibili.

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Ngakho-ke wayengeke asakwazi ukubhekana
nokucindezeleka, kwathi kamuva watholakala enomyocarditis.

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Waphinde watshelwa ukuthi ngeke asakwazi
ukuncintisana njengomgibeli wamanzi

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wokuncintisana nokuthi lokho ngeke kube nokwenzeka.

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Wabe esethenga isibhamu wazidubula.

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Futhi enhliziyweni, ungabona lapha esiyingini ukuthi
inani lamangqamuzana avusa ukudumba lenyuke kancane,

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okusho ukuthi kunezinhlamvu ezimnyama eziningi kakhulu.

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Lokhu kunzima kakhulu kumuntu ongachwepheshe ukukubona,
kodwa encwadini kuhlelwe ngendlela yokuthi okutholiwe

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okukodwa kucace kakhulu kanti okunye kunzima kakhulu ukukubona.

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Futhi ungabona ukuthi ngisho nezinguquko ezincane kakhulu
zinephutha elikhulu kakhulu ekuthuthukiseni izinga lempilo.

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Futhi esithombeni esilandelayo, ungabona
ukuthi lokhu nakho kuyingxenye yenhliziyo

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yalo mguli osakhulayo noma yomuntu osefile.

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Futhi lezi zindawo ezikhanyayo ongazibona lapha
esithombeni yizibazi ezakhiwe ngemva kokuvuvukala.

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Futhi yilokho ngempela okubalulekile. Izinguquko ezincane kangaka
zingaba nomthelela omkhulu ekuthuthukiseni izinga lempilo.

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Kubalulekile kakhulu ukubona lokhu.

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Nakanjani usubonile kuthelevishini ukuthi abadlali
bebhola lezinyawo abaqeqeshiwe bawile kanjani. Yebo.

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Futhi lokho cishe nakho kuhlobene
nokuvuvukala kwemisipha yenhliziyo.

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Bese ngilethe elinye icala nami.

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Lena indoda eneminyaka engu-61 ubudala
eyayegonyelwe kabili i-COVID-19 futhi yashona

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ezinsukwini ezingama-25 emva komjovo wayo wesibili.

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Futhi lapha ungabona isigaxa sesigaxa se-aorta.
I-aorta yisitho segazi esikhulu kunazo zonke emzimbeni.

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Futhi engxenyeni engaphansi, ungabona
udonga lwenyama lwangempela lwe-aorta.

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Futhi phezulu, lapho le ncembe ibonakala khona,
ungabona ukuthi ithishu exhunyiwe ibanzi ngokusobala.

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Futhi lapha ungabona futhi amabala amnyama
anamumo webhande ahlelwe ngendlela efana nebhande.

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Lezi yizicubu ezivuvukayo. Futhi ngokuvamile
azibonakali lapho. Ungabona futhi izicubu zesibazi.

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Futhi ngisho nasesigabeni esingezansi, endaweni
yemisipha, ungabona izinguquko ezincane eziyindilinga.

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Ngakho-ke lezi zikhula kwemithambo yegazi. Imithambo
emincane yegazi iyakhula lapho. Futhi lapha kunamabala okusinda.

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Ngakho-ke lapha, igazi lalidle indlela yalo lodonga.

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Kwathi-ke indoda yagcina igcwala igazi yafa ngoba ukuguquguquka
kodonga lwalesi sibambo segazi kwakuphelile ngenxa yokuvuvukala.

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Ngaphezu kwalokho, kwaphinde kwabonakala ukufa kwama-tishu.

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Futhi ukulahleka kwamafayibha aguquguqukayo,
okuvumela umthambo wegazi ukuba uzivumelanise nengcindezi.

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Bese nginayo enye icala lomfazi oneminyaka
engu-63 osefile ngenxa yokuqhekeka kwe-aorta.

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Ngakho-ke imbangela yokufa efanayo ngqo
njengangaphambilini kumuntu wesilisa.

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Futhi lapha sithola lezi zinguquko ezimnyama
njengokutholakala okungahleliwe. Lesi yisigaba somaphaphu.

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Futhi ubona la madoti amnyama yonke indawo.

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Futhi lokho yinto engikaze ngiyibone ngaphambili,
futhi uProfesa Burkhardt noProfesa Lang, abebesebenza

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ndawonye noProfesa Burkhardt, nabo abakaze bayibone.

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Bobabili bangochwepheshe bezifo abanamava amaningi futhi
asebenza isikhathi eside. Abakaze babone lokhu ngaphambili.

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Futhi uma uyikhulisa, ungabona ukuthi
le nto emnyama isezingxenyeni zomzimba.

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Futhi ngempela kufanele kube negazi emithanjeni.

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Hhayi-ke, lokho ngempela akuzange
kuthuthukise ukujikeleza kwegazi.

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Nazo zonke lezi zivivinyo nemiphumela,
okwabonakala ngokusobala ukuthi kwaholela ekufeni

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komuntu okukhulunywa ngaye, ungabaqiniseka kanjani?

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Noma ukungabaza kuvela kuphi ukuthi lokhu
kwakungenxa yokugonywa kwe-coronavirus ngempela?

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Ngakho-ke wenza kanjani lokho, uphakamisa ibhuloho kuphi?

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Ekugcineni, maqondana nesikhathi, okusho
ukuthi kubhekwa ukuthi umjovo wokugcina

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we-coronavirus wanikezwa nini nokuthi ukufa kwenzeka nini.

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Futhi kaningi lokhu kungabonakala
ngokuxhumana kwesikhathi okusondelene.

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Kukhona nezinye izifo lapho sekudlule izinyanga eziningi.

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Nokho, njengoba izinguquko eziphindaphindayo zitholakale
emzimbeni, kumele sicabange ukuthi le mjekelo iyimbangela yokufa.

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Manje uhlale unikeza izibonelo zamalungu omzimba
alimele, njengentliziyo noma imithambo yegazi.

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Ingabe uke wabona noma yiziphi izinguquko noma
ukukhubazeka kwezinye izingxenye zomzimba wakho?

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Isibonelo, kukhona futhi icala kule-atlas.

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Lo ngumuntu wesilisa oneminyaka engu-60 ubudala.

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Lena yiyo kuphela icala ku-atlas elingaveli
kuProfesa Burkhardt; nganginalo leli cala eSibhedlela

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saseKalmar. Ngahlinza umzimba womuntu oshonile.

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Lomuntu ogulayo une umdlavuza wamangqamuzana e-lymph.

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Futhi uyahileleka ekwelashweni nge-chemotherapy
nasekwelashweni okunciphisa amasosha omzimba.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi uhlelo
lokuzivikela komzimba lwacindezelwa ngemithi.

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Ngakho wathola imijovo emibili yokugoma i-coronavirus
ngasikhathi sinye, wabe eseshona ezinyangeni ezintathu kamuva.

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Futhi ngokushesha ngemva kokugonywa kwesibili,
wathola ukuvinjelwa kwezitho kuyo yonke imizimba yakhe.

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Ngamanye amazwi, isithombe salokho okwaziwa
ngokuthi i-Guillain-Barré syndrome, evame

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ukuchazwa njengokulimala okubangelwa umuthi wokugoma.

15:30.870 --> 15:34.803
Ngihlolisise izakhiwo eziningi zemithambo-luvo.

15:34.803 --> 15:40.220
Lapha, isibonelo, ungabona
umthambo womgogodla ophuma emgogodleni.

15:40.220 --> 15:45.696
Ungabona lesi sakhiwo esisimo somunwe.
Ungabona lezi zindawo ezimnyama yonke indawo.

15:45.696 --> 15:51.220
Akufanele babe khona. Zonke ziyizicubu zokuvuvukala. Ngakho-ke
lonke lolu thambo lokuzwa lugcwele izicubu zokuvuvukala.

15:51.220 --> 15:54.975
Angikaze ngibone okufana nakho.
Ngikubonise futhi kochwepheshe bezifo zobuchopho.

15:54.975 --> 16:01.030
Lokho kusho ukuthi abahlaziyi bezifo abasebenza
kakhulu nobuchopho, okungukuthi izingxenye zobuchopho.

16:01.030 --> 16:04.763
Abakakabi nakho lokho okwamanje,
ngalolu hlobo abakakaboni lokho okwamanje.

16:04.763 --> 16:11.580
Akusikho nje emizweni kuphela, kodwa lapha
sinengxenye yesigaxa sobuchopho, isibonelo.

16:11.580 --> 16:19.640
Futhi lapha ungabona le ndawo evulekile endaweni
yezinkanyezi. Ngakho-ke lokhu kuwukufa kwamaseli ezicubu.

16:19.640 --> 16:27.550
Futhi phakathi kwezinkanyezi ezimbili
eziphezulu, ungabona isitsha, okuyilesi sitsha.

16:27.550 --> 16:32.380
Lapha ungabona futhi lezi zinhlamvu
ezimnyama kakhulu zisakazeke yonke indawo.

16:32.380 --> 16:37.200
Futhi abavunyelwe ukuba khona lapho.
Isitho somzimba sigcwele, udonga luyashinyana.

16:37.200 --> 16:42.660
Futhi lesi sifo senhliziyo, okungukuthi ukufa
kwamaseli ezicubu, singabonakala ezungeze lo mthambo wegazi.

16:42.660 --> 16:50.840
Isigaxa sobuchopho siyisikhungo sokulawula imisebenzi
eminingi ebalulekile. Futhi lokho ekugcineni kwaholela ekufeni.

16:50.840 --> 16:58.323
Ngizamile ukushicilela leli cala ku-British Medical Journal.

16:58.323 --> 17:03.872
Ngoba ngangicabanga ukuthi bekuthakazelisa
kakhulu kangangokuba kwakufanele kwenziwe sobala.

17:03.872 --> 17:11.736
Ngizamile izinyanga eziyisithupha
ukudlulisela leli cala ku-British Medical Journal.

17:11.736 --> 17:15.883
Futhi ngatshelwa ukuthi ngicele ngishintshe leli gama noma lelo.

17:15.883 --> 17:18.310
Bengingathanda ukufaka lo mbala noma lowo.

17:18.310 --> 17:24.816
Ngemva kwezinyanga eziyisithupha, ngathola
i-imeyili ethi icala elinjalo selishicilelwe kakade.

17:24.816 --> 17:28.974
Futhi abasasenandaba nokushicilela icala lami.

17:28.974 --> 17:37.981
Ngemva kwalokho ngashicilela leli cala
nabaprofesa ababili bezifo zobuchopho kwenye iphephabhuku.

17:37.981 --> 17:41.996
Nokho, lokhu akukwazi ukutholakala ku-PubMed, isibonelo.

17:41.996 --> 17:47.030
I-PubMed iyinjini yokusesha yodokotela,
ngakho ungathi iyi-Wikipedia yodokotela.

17:47.030 --> 17:52.420
Leli cala alitholakali lapho. Ngakho-ke
ngiyazibuza ukuthi yini engatholakala ku-PubMed.

17:52.420 --> 17:57.763
Ngoba ngaphambilini ngangicabanga ukuthi lokhu
empeleni kwakuyinjini yokusesha izincwadi zesayensi.

17:57.763 --> 18:03.451
Yebo, futhi uma manje uthi impikiswano ithi
icala elinjalo selishicilelwe kakade,

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khona-ke lokho nakho akuyona impikiswano kimi.

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Ngenxa yecala elilodwa nelinye, kubalulekile kakhulu
ukwazisa ukuthi lokhu akuyona nje ingozi eyodwa ehlukile.

18:14.640 --> 18:19.383
Ubona kanjani le mpikiswano ebekwe kuwe?

18:19.383 --> 18:23.340
Ngicabanga ukuthi abazange babe
nentshisekelo kuyo kusukela ekuqaleni.

18:23.340 --> 18:28.576
Ngoba abaxhasi bezimali abasemva kwayo,
i-British Medical Journal, basetha indlela

18:28.576 --> 18:33.240
ehlukile ngokuphelele. Babengenasithakazelo kulokho.

18:33.240 --> 18:40.629
Ake sibuyele kumjovo wokugoma i-coronavirus uqobo
kanye nezifo eziyinhloko owazithola ngokuhlobene

18:40.629 --> 18:45.040
nawo ngesikhathi socwaningo lwakho. Ungazisho eziphi?

18:45.040 --> 18:50.223
Lokho esivele sikubheke, i-myocarditis, kuvamile kakhulu.

18:50.223 --> 18:55.180
Ukuvuvukala kwemithambo kuyinto evamile kakhulu.

18:55.180 --> 18:59.840
Kutholakale izinto zangaphandle engizibonise kakade.

18:59.840 --> 19:02.910
Kubonwe ukwehla kwemicu eguquguqukayo.

19:02.910 --> 19:06.900
Futhi hhayi kuphela odongeni lwemithambo
yegazi, kodwa nasesikhumbeni, isibonelo.

19:06.900 --> 19:15.904
Angazi ukuthi uqaphele yini, kodwa lapho abantu bethola umjovo
wokugoma i-coronavirus izikhathi eziningi, bayaguga ngokushesha.

19:15.904 --> 19:20.512
Futhi lokhu kungase kuhlotshaniswe nokuthi
imicu ye-elastiki esikhumbeni iyanyamalala.

19:20.512 --> 19:25.360
Ngakho-ke sesikwazile ukufakazela ukuthi amaqoqo egazi ayenzeka.

19:25.360 --> 19:29.420
Ngakho-ke kunezibopho zegazi
ezijwayelekile nezibopho zegazi ezingajwayelekile.

19:29.420 --> 19:36.544
Futhi ngalezi ziqhwa zegazi ezingajwayelekile, esingakaze sizibone
ngaphambili, isibonelo, azikho amaseli egazi abomvu kuqhwa.

19:36.544 --> 19:41.344
Zifana kakhulu nezakhiwo zerabha.

19:41.344 --> 19:45.440
Futhi, njengoba ngishilo, lokhu
bekungakaze kube khona ngalolu hlobo ngaphambili.

19:45.440 --> 19:52.160
Futhi kukhona izifo zokuzivikela komzimba. UProfesa
Arne Burkhardt uchaze lokhu njenge-amok yama-lymphocyte.

19:52.160 --> 19:55.136
Futhi ungakubona lokho kuzo zonke izitho.

19:55.136 --> 20:00.300
Lokhu akukhethi ilungu elithile, kodwa kuthinta umzimba wonke.

20:00.300 --> 20:05.520
Ngakho-ke kunezinguquko ezahlukene kakhulu ongazithola.

20:05.520 --> 20:12.093
Kodwa-ke, vele, kukhona umdlavuza we-turbo –
engangiwucabanga kakade ngo-2021 –

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engangiqagela ukuthi wawuhlobene nemijovo yokugoma.

20:16.800 --> 20:23.900
Nokho, lokhu akufakiwe encwadini ngoba ukuhlolwa komzimba kuvame
ukungawenziwa kubantu abashonile ngenxa yomdlavuza we-turbo.

20:23.900 --> 20:29.600
Ngoba usuyazi kusukela ekuqaleni, kulungile,
lesi yisifo somdlavuza. Asidingi ukubheka kude.

20:29.600 --> 20:38.944
Ingabe umsebenzi wakho wesayensi, ngokwalokho
okusibonisile, ube nomthelela empilweni yakho yobungcweti?

20:38.944 --> 20:42.529
Yebo, ngokubheka ngokucophelela kakhulu.

20:42.529 --> 20:47.621
Ngesikhathi ngibheka ngokucophelela kakhulu lezi
zinyathelo ze-histopathology, ngabona izinto abalingani

20:47.621 --> 20:51.140
bami eSibhedlela saseKalmar, isibonelo, ababengakaziboni.

20:51.140 --> 20:56.205
Kwakuyicala lapho ngangiyiMphathi Yokuqeqesha
kwezokuxilongwa kwezifo futhi ngiqeqesha odokotela

20:56.205 --> 20:58.870
abasizi ukuze babe izazi kwezokuxilongwa kwezifo.

20:58.870 --> 21:04.516
Ngakho-ke nganginodokotela osafufusa
owafika wathi, yebo, wayenecala lapha.

21:04.516 --> 21:11.800
Kwakuyisibonelo somuntu one-tumor,
futhi ukufa kwakungenzeka ngokuzumayo.

21:11.800 --> 21:19.104
Kwavela ukuthi ukufa nakho
kwakuhambisana nalokhu kugonywa kwe-coronavirus.

21:19.104 --> 21:25.792
Ngahlola inhliziyo ngathi, "Kukhona ubufakazi bokuvuvukala
kwenhliziyo lapha, ngokunyuka okuncane kakhulu kwamangqamuzana

21:25.792 --> 21:30.460
e-lymphocyte, okungamangqamuzana ovuvukayo, ezindaweni eziningi."

21:30.460 --> 21:38.500
Nokho, umlingani osemncane wayecabanga ukuthi bekulula
kakhulu kangangokuthi bekungeke kube yi-myocarditis.

21:38.500 --> 21:43.434
Wabe esecela omunye uchwepheshe wezifo
eqenjini lethu lezazi zezifo eKalmar,

21:43.434 --> 21:47.223
owaphinde waqinisekisa ukuthi bekungeyona ukudumba.

21:47.223 --> 21:54.169
Nokho, njengoba ngisebenza nochwepheshe bezifo abaningi emhlabeni
jikelele, ngaxoxa ngale ndaba nabanye ochwepheshe bezifo.

21:54.169 --> 21:57.376
Kwavela ukuthi kwakuwumyo-carditis.

21:57.376 --> 22:05.152
Kwabe sekuba nezingxoxo ezishisayo engqungqutheleni yezokwelapha
eKalmar, ngoba kimi isizathu sokufa kwakuyi-myocarditis.

22:05.152 --> 22:08.448
Futhi lokho kwakuhlobene nokugonywa kwe-coronavirus.

22:08.448 --> 22:16.360
Ngakho ngabika leli cala e-Swedish Medical Products
Agency, ngoba wonke amacala okungabazeka kumele abikwe.

22:16.360 --> 22:22.448
Ngesikhathi salokhu ukubonisana kwezokwelapha, ngahlaselwa
ngempela ngokungenelela kwezinye izimo futhi

22:22.448 --> 22:28.352
ngabuzwa ukuthi ngingabika kanjani le ndaba.
Ngatshelwa ukuthi ngikhiphe umbiko wami ngokushesha.

22:28.352 --> 22:36.125
Ngakusho-ke ukuthi leli cala alikho komuntu
othile, kodwa limayelana nokucacisa okwenzekayo

22:36.125 --> 22:40.336
ngemva kwalokhu kugonywa, futhi ngeke ngilisuse.

22:40.336 --> 22:49.500
Ngakho-ke ubuchwepheshe bami babuzwa. Futhi ngisanda kuqaphela
ukuthi angisakwazi ukusebenza kulo mkhakha wezokwelapha.

22:49.500 --> 22:58.180
Phakathi kwezinye izinto, ngiphinde ngabika ngomdlavuza we-turbo
engangisola ngo-2021 ukuthi wawuhlobene nalezi zokugoma.

22:58.180 --> 23:04.313
Ngakho-ke ngacabanga ngaphakathi ukuthi
akunangqondo nhlobo kimi ukuxilonga amathumba angase

23:04.313 --> 23:08.800
abangelwe ngomunye udokotela ngokusebenzisa umjovo.

23:08.800 --> 23:14.310
Ngemva kwalokho ngashiya umsebenzi wami futhi ngenza
ukuqeqeshwa okwengeziwe okuningi eminyakeni yamuva nje.

23:14.310 --> 23:21.096
Manje sengivule umsebenzi wami wokwelapha ophelele.

23:21.096 --> 23:24.903
Ngimema ababukeli ukuthi babheke iwebhusayithi yami.

23:24.903 --> 23:31.460
Kuzwakala kujabulisa kakhulu. Ngicabanga ukuthi
kufanelekile impela ukubheka futhi iwebhusayithi yakho.

23:31.460 --> 23:34.456
Masibuyele ezindabeni zamanje.

23:34.456 --> 23:44.176
Ngokusho kwe-WHO, i-monkeypox, manje ebizwa
ngeMpox, isabalale kwamanye amazwe ase-Afrika.

23:44.176 --> 23:47.930
Futhi siyaqhubeka nokuzwa ngomkhuhlane wezinyoni.

23:47.930 --> 24:00.156
Futhi lawa amacebo wamanje. Sifuna ukulwa nale gciwane
okuthiwa yi-pandemic ngobuchwepheshe bemijovo ye-mRNA.

24:00.156 --> 24:07.906
Kodwa manje sengithole imibiko kini, futhi nakwabanye
ososayensi abaningi, exwayisa umphakathi ukuthi

24:07.906 --> 24:13.760
uqaphele futhi ugweme ubuchwepheshe bemijovo yokugoma ye-mRNA.

24:13.760 --> 24:20.940
Ngempela ngoba imiphumela eminingi eceleni
seyenzekile. Manje uphinde wasibonisa lokhu ngokusobala lapha.

24:20.940 --> 24:28.371
Futhi ngasikhathi sinye, i-WHO manje isikhupha lesi sixwayiso,
leli zinga eliphezulu kakhulu lesixwayiso, sokuthi

24:28.371 --> 24:37.060
ukukhiqizwa kobuchwepheshe bemithi yokugoma ye-mRNA kufanele
manje kwandiswe lapha. Lokho kuhambelana kanjani nawe?

24:37.060 --> 24:43.629
Lokho akuzwakali kimi, ikakhulukazi njengoba sekushicilelwe
ukuthi, isibonelo, imijovo yokugoma ye-Pfizer

24:43.629 --> 24:48.936
ineziphumo ezimbi kakhulu ezingamaphesenti
ayi-11 wamacala uma kukhulunywa nge-coronavirus.

24:48.936 --> 24:56.193
Futhi maqondana neModerna, kungama-21%. Lokho kusho
imiphumela emibi enzima. Ama-21% abantu abathola lo

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mtholampilo wokuvikela i-coronavirus banezinkinga ezinzima.

25:00.460 --> 25:08.673
Futhi uma ucabanga ukuthi izinga lokufa
le-coronavirus lingaphansi kuka-1%, angicabangi

25:08.673 --> 25:13.230
ukuthi izinzuzo nezingozi zilinganiselwe kahle.

25:13.230 --> 25:18.460
Kukhona okungajwayelekile, uma ngingasho.

25:18.460 --> 25:25.349
Futhi uma uthatha umkhuhlane, isibonelo, umjovo
wokugoma umkhuhlane, ongawusekelwanga kule teknoloji ye-mRNA.

25:25.349 --> 25:29.856
Kukhona izinga lemiphumela engemihle eliphakathi
kuka-0% no-4%, okusho imiphumela engemihle emibi.

25:29.856 --> 25:34.570
Futhi ngalokhu kugonywa
kwe-coronavirus, kungama-21%, kufika ku-21%.

25:34.570 --> 25:42.603
Futhi okubalulekile lapha ukuthi le mvubelo
ye-mRNA isebenza ngokusebenzisa ikhodi yemfuzo.

25:42.603 --> 25:51.616
Lokhu kusho ukuthi ikhodi yemfuzo ifakwa, okubangela
amaseli omzimba wethu anempilo akhiqize le protein ye-spike.

25:51.616 --> 25:54.480
Futhi lokhu-ke kubekwa ebusweni beseli.

25:54.480 --> 26:01.323
Ngakho-ke ezinye izicubu zokuzivikela komzimba zibheka izicubu
zomzimba uqobo njengezicubu zangaphandle futhi ziyahlasela.

26:01.323 --> 26:03.300
Futhi yilokho okubangela lezi zimpendulo zomzimba zokuzivikela.

26:03.300 --> 26:08.160
Futhi lokho kusezinkingeni ngqo kulezi zivakisi ze-mRNA.

26:08.160 --> 26:11.869
Futhi-ke ungakwazi ngempela,
angazi ukuthi uzizwa kanjani ngalokho.

26:11.869 --> 26:17.966
Kodwa lo mthetho oyisisekelo, lapho izitozo
ze-mRNA zisekelwe kuwo, uhluke ngokuphelele

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ezitozweni ezijwayelekile esazaziyo kuze kube manje.

26:21.840 --> 26:25.322
Ungakwazi yini mhlawumbe ukudweba
lowo mugqa futhi ngandlela thile?

26:25.322 --> 26:30.980
Yini, yini manje – ngempela, manje nje – ungakwazi
ngisho nje ukuthi 'umjovo wokugoma'? Ngiyabuza ngokushesha.

26:30.980 --> 26:37.480
Hhayi, angingakubizi ngokuthi iyisitofu sokugoma,
kodwa kimi kuyizinto ezinguketshezi ezinikezwayo.

26:37.480 --> 26:44.070
Ngoba izinzuzo zaleyo okuthiwa ukugoma zincane kakhulu.

26:44.070 --> 26:50.432
Futhi lapho ngibona umonakalo omkhulu abawubangela,
ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele basuswe emgwaqweni ngokuphelele.

26:50.432 --> 27:00.580
Futhi ngingaba nokuqapha okukhulu ngazo zonke ezinye izitozo
ezizayo ezisekelwe ku-mRNA, ngoba azikahlolwa ngendlela efanele.

27:00.580 --> 27:05.024
Lokhu-ke kuzoholela emiphumeleni efanayo.

27:05.024 --> 27:12.336
Yebo, lokho ngempela kufanele sikukhumbule,
ikakhulukazi ezindabeni zemidiya, ukuthi lokhu

27:12.336 --> 27:16.303
kuwumumo omusha, wesimanje, othuthukile wokugoma.

27:16.303 --> 27:19.003
Akulula kangako ukuyicacisa.

27:19.003 --> 27:26.008
Ngakho-ke lokhu kuyinto entsha ngokuphelele,
engakazifaki ebungcweleni kuze kube manje, uma

27:26.008 --> 27:29.888
ngingasho kanjalo. Kulungile ngokuphelele, yebo.

27:29.888 --> 27:34.320
Yebo. Manje ake sibuyele encwadini yakho.

27:34.320 --> 27:40.348
Washilo khona – wabeka isikhathi esiningi nomzamo kuyo.

27:40.348 --> 27:47.943
Uyiliphi uhlobo lweziphendulo
olithemba ukuzibona lapho lokhu sekusabalala?

27:47.943 --> 27:53.620
Manje isilungele ukuphrintwa futhi izotholakala kungekudala.

27:53.620 --> 27:57.700
Uyiliphi uhlobo lokuphendula komphakathi oluthemba ukuluthola?

27:57.700 --> 28:06.094
Ngakho-ke ngiyethemba ukuthi abahlaziyi bezifo, okungukuthi
ochwepheshe be-pathology noma bezokwelapha

28:06.094 --> 28:13.600
kwezobugebengu, bazobheka le miphumela futhi
baqonde ukuthi zingase zibe zincane kakhulu.

28:13.600 --> 28:17.749
Lokho kusho ukuthi kufanele ngempela useshe.
Awukwazi nje ukucindezela izingxenye bese uthi,

28:17.749 --> 28:21.363
"Hhayi, angiboni lutho lapha." Kufanele ngempela useshe.

28:21.363 --> 28:26.852
Futhi njengoba ngishilo ngaphambilini, ngisho
nokutholakala okuncane kakhulu nokungabonakali kalula

28:26.852 --> 28:30.163
kungaholela ekushintsheni okukhulu kwekhwalithi yokuphila.

28:30.163 --> 28:33.780
Ngakho-ke kubalulekile ngempela ukubheka khona ngokucophelela.

28:33.780 --> 28:40.370
Lena into eyodwa, ukuthi abahlaziyi bezifo
sebebuyiswa ekuzweleni – ngakho-ke yini enye ekhona?

28:40.370 --> 28:43.980
Ngoba kaningi okwenzeka ukuthi engingakwazi, angikuboni.

28:43.980 --> 28:49.443
Futhi-ke, nakanjani, le ncwadi ifanele
futhi odokotela kwezinye izigaba zobungcweti.

28:49.443 --> 28:54.080
Futhi nakubantu abangochwepheshe
bezokwelapha abanentshisekelo kwezempilo.

28:54.080 --> 29:05.184
Le mibiko yamacala ikhombisa ngokusobala ukuhlupheka
okubangelwe kubantu yilezi zokugoma ezibizwa kanjalo.

29:05.184 --> 29:10.476
Ngakho-ke ngingakwazi uku-oda le ncwadi kuwe manje, ngokuthi.

29:10.476 --> 29:17.229
Futhi kuqala nje, vele kwadingeka ngizibheke
mathupha, noma ngingochwepheshe – okwakuyinto

29:17.229 --> 29:20.920
eqondakala kahle kuze kufike ezingeni elithile.

29:20.920 --> 29:27.576
Ngingaya nje kudokotela wami manje ngithi,
"Nansi, lesi isipho esivela kimi, ngicela ubheke."

29:27.576 --> 29:35.040
Noma yini enye engingayenza
ngalencwadi ngaphandle nje kokuyifunda?

29:35.040 --> 29:43.484
Yebo, empeleni akuyona into embi. Ngoba kusekhona odokotela
abanele abaphatha lezi zidakamizwa, sebephaphama eqinisweni

29:43.484 --> 29:47.585
lokuthi empeleni ubangela abantu umonakalo omkhulu kakhulu.

29:47.585 --> 29:50.112
Futhi akuyona nje imonakalo kuphela, baphinde bafe.

29:50.112 --> 29:53.312
Abantu bayabulawa yilezi zitofu.

29:53.312 --> 29:58.848
Ekugcineni, ungathanda yini ukwengeza
amagama ambalwa abaluleke kakhulu kuwe?

29:58.848 --> 30:02.720
Yebo. Ngithanda ukubhekisa lawa mazwi kubabukeli.

30:02.720 --> 30:14.754
Bengingathanda kakhulu ukuthi abantu babe nentshisekelo,
benze ucwaningo lwabo ku-inthanethi, futhi bangakholwa konke

30:14.754 --> 30:22.660
abakubonayo, ngamanye amazwi, bazithathele izinyathelo ngokwabo.

30:22.660 --> 30:34.990
Futhi ngifisa ukubona uthando olwengeziwe emphakathini
wethu jikelele, nokuthi ukuvumelana nokuthula kubuse.

30:34.990 --> 30:39.950
Futhi ngingathanda ukuthi sibuyele kakhulu ekuzweleni kwethu.

30:39.950 --> 30:48.833
Lokhu kusho ukuthi siphuma emvelweni futhi
silalele nje umuzwa wethu wangaphakathi.

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