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ukufa okungaphezu kwamaphesenti angu-14 noma
angu-16 uma kuqhathaniswa neminyaka emithathu edlule.

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Kuhle ukuthi benze lokhu okungenani kube kanye, ngoba
ngonyaka odlule, ngonyaka ngaphambi kwalowo nangonyaka

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ngaphambi kwalowo, sasivele sinenani eliphakeme kakhulu lokufa.

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Futhi manje futhi phezu kwalokho. Isizathu sethu esiyinhloko
sokufa endlini yethu yokugcoba izidumbu

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sisekulesi sifo somdlavuza se-turbo. Futhi-ke
isitifiketi sokufa sathi nje "washona enomdlavuza C".

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Asizange sibe namacala ka-"An (C deceased)". Besinecala elilodwa
lika-"An" ngemva kokwethulwa futhi, njengoba ngishilo, indoda

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yayingaphezu kweminyaka engu-80 futhi
kwakuyizinsuku eziyi-14 ngemva komjovo

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wokugqugquzela. Kodwa empeleni sasinecala elilodwa kuphela.

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Ekuqaleni kuka-2022, kwaqala ngabantu abasha ababethuthukise
umdlavuza we-turbo. Futhi kwaba namacala asheshayo kakhulu.

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Esisheshayo esake saba naso
kwakuyizinsuku eziyisihlanu kusukela ekuxilongweni.

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Wafa ngemva kwamaviki amahlanu, ngokuthi?

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Yebo, futhi umqaphi wangcwaba ongumfowethu usanda
kuyitshela ukuthi izinsuku ezimbili ngemuva

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kokutshelwa ukuthi umuntu osefile wayenomdlavuza, washona.

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Yebo, bawela nje. Bayafa nje. Akubalulekile
ukuthi bahleli endlini yangasese noma belele

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embhedeni. Kuyamangaza kakhulu. Futhi sekuyenzeka kaningi.

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Angisho ukuthi akukaze kwenzeke ngaphambili, ukuthi
othile wathola ukuhlaselwa yizifo zenhliziyo

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ngesikhathi egijima noma okuthile, noma ngesikhathi edloba.

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Kodwa hhayi kaningi njengamanje. Lokho
akwenzeki. Abantu abasafafi ngendlela evamile manje.

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Abantu abambalwa kakhulu bangitshela, "Angiboni lutho, anginakho
lutho." Kodwa iningi labantu engikhuluma nabo,

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labo abaye bathola ukwelashwa kwezigene, bonke
banokulimala okuthile futhi abasaphili kahle.

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Kungakhathaliseki ukuthi kuyinkinga yezinzwa noma
cha, abanye abantu bayathuthumela. Futhi engikuthinta

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kakhulu wukuthi abaningi babo banezinkinga zesisu.

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Futhi engikubonile ukuthi ezimweni eziningi lapho
lokhu kuyenzeka, nezilwane ezifuywayo nazo ziyakuthola.

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Siyakwamukela engxoxweni yanamuhla. Igama lami
nginguSören Schumann futhi namuhla ngixoxa noMarlies Spuler.

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Namuhla sikhuluma ngalokho okubonile wena, njengomgcini
wangcwaba, emsebenzini wakho wansuku zonke ezinyangeni

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ezimbalwa ezedlule, kodwa futhi eminyakeni embalwa
edlule. Sobabili sesikake sarekhoda ividiyo ngaphambilini.

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Ngiyilayishe kabili ngoba kwadingeka ngiyisuse kanye
bese ngiyilayisha futhi inguqulo evinjiwe kakhulu.

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Futhi lezi vidiyo zombili ndawonye sezithole cishe izigidi
eziyisishiyagalolunye zababukeli, ngikholwa. Mhlawumbe

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ngisho nangaphezu kwezigidi eziyisishiyagalolunye zababukeli.

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Ngakho-ke kubonakala sengathi kunentshisekelo
enkulu kulwazi lwakho noma embonweni wakho.

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Futhi ngiyazibuza ukuthi yini eyenzekile kusukela esingxoxweni
sethu sokugcina. Sekudlule izinyanga eziningana manje.

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Yebo, ungumlandeli ojulile. Ulandele lezi
zenzakalo, eziqhubekile kusukela ngo-2019

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nango-2020, ngokucophelela kusukela ekuqaleni.

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Yebo, yini enye abantu abafanele ukuyazi
ngawe ngaphambi kokuba singene kulesi sihloko?

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Ngami? Empeleni usushilo konke, futhi
ngicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi sebebengilazi manje.

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Ngithola imilayezo eminingi yabalandeli
nge-imeyili. Ngithola izingcingo, kuyahlanya,

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kuyamangalisa. Empeleni, azikho nhlobo izwi lokugxeka.

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Ngakho-ke, konke kube kuhle ngaso sonke isikhathi, kanti
abanye kancane kancane bayaphuma ezigxivini zabo futhi bakhuluma

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ngokusobala ngakho konke lokhu. Imvamisa abantu abalimele ngakho.

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Labo-ke abaphindela kuwe, ngokuthi.

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Yebo, ngempela. Ngandlela thile bathole ukuthi
sinoxhumano, kuhlanganisa nodokotela nokunye.

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Bese bekhuluma nami ngqo ngalokho, kuye ngokuthi yini abhekana
nayo, yini engakwenziwa ngakho, nokuthi ngabe ngiyamazi

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umuntu. Futhi ngihlala ngibabhekisela kochwepheshe
bokwelapha okungajwayelekile nokunye okufana nalokho, yebo.

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Kulungile, kuhle kakhulu. Ngesikhathi
sokurekhoda, manje sekupheleni kuka-Agasti 2024.

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Ungazifingqa kanjani iminyaka embalwa edlule? Mhlawumbe
ungahamba ngonyaka ngamunye noma ukhulume ngeziganeko ezithile

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zale minyaka. Ungazifingqa kanjani ngokufingqa nangokucacile?

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Yiziphi izigaba ezibaluleke kakhulu
nezinguquko emsebenzini wakho, maqondana nomthwalo

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wakho womsebenzi nokuthi ubizelwa kangakanani?

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Ngingajabula ukuphawula ngalokho. Ngizokunikeza
isifinyezo esifushane kakhulu ukuze sonke sihambisane.

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Ngakho ngo-2020, asizange sibe nanoma yiziphi
izimo ezingajwayelekile nhlobo. Empeleni

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sasino msebenzi omncane okufanele siwenzile, yebo.

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Futhi izinto zaqala ngempela ukuthuthuka lapha
ngokwethulwa kwe-'therapy'. Kunjalo nje. Ekuqaleni,

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kwakuyizindala kuphela ezazishona ngenani elikhulu.

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Kwabonakala ngempela lapho kufika isikhathi
sabantu abanezimo zezempilo ezazikhona ngaphambilini,

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lapho bethola umhlangano wabo (wokugoma i-COVID).

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Ngoba-ke kwenzeka lezi zafa
ezingazelelwe, ezingalindelekile. Zanda kakhulu!

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Yebo

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Ngempela

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Kwathi-ke yaqhubeka nje ihamba indlela yayo.

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Sasinokubhalwa kuphela okuthi "ushonile ene-C" kuze
kwethulwa ukwelashwa. Ngemva kwalokho kwema ngokuzumayo.

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Kwabe sekuyeka ukuvela ezitifiketini zokufa. Mhlawumbe
kanye noma kabili. Asikaze siyithole nhlobo kulo nyaka.

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Ngakho-ke kubonakala sengathi akekho osefa ngenxa yayo manje.

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Kulungile, ungakwenza futhi ngokushesha?

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Lokho kuyajabulisa kakhulu.

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Ungachaza kafushane ngokuthi "washona ngenxa ye-C futhi washona
ne-C"? Kwakukhona impikiswano ngalokhu ekuqaleni, kubonakala:

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Uhlangabezana nengozi yemoto, ushone ngenxa yalokho, kodwa
utholakala une-C ngokuhlolwa okungathembekile,

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bese kubhekwa sengathi ushone "ngenxa ye-C" noma
"ene-C". Mhlawumbe ungakuphinda lokho ngokufingqiwe.

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Yebo, kahle, kwakukhona kuphela ezibhedlela,
hhayi ekhaya. Ngakho-ke kwakukhona khona kuphela.

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Yebo.

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Futhi ekuqaleni, angazi ukuthi kungani, babefake
imibiko. Futhi yayiqukethe umlando wezokwelapha

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wesiguli, iminyaka yabo, ubulili, nokunye okunjalo.

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Kwathi-ke nje ukuthi kungani wamukelwa esibhedlela,
abenze ini lapho, nokuthi ekugcineni washona ngani.

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Kanti-ke kwakuhlala kukhulunywa ngokungakhathali
esivakweni esisodwa ukuthi umufi wahlolwa watholakala ene-C.

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Kwathi-ke isitifiketi sokufa sathi nje "oshonile ene-C".
Asizange sibe nokuthi "oshonile ngenxa ye-" nhlobo. Saba

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nokuthi "kusuka" kanye kuphela ngemva kokwethulwa kwayo.

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Futhi njengoba ngishilo, indoda yayineminyaka engaphezu kwengu-80
futhi kwakuyizinsuku eziyi-14 ngemva komjovo wokugcizelela.

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Kulungile.

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Wafa. Kodwa lokho kwenzeka kanye kuphela.

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Kodwa-ke, njengoba ngishilo, ngemva kokwethulwa
kwe-"therapy", kwema. Ngesinye isikhathi, ukufakwa

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akusekho ezitifiketini zokufa. Kwanyamalala nje.

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Kuvela kuphela kulabo abangakayelashwa. Yebo,
"abashonile be-C". Ngempela, nathi sabona lokho.

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Ngoba kwakudingeka siqinisekise lokho ekuqaleni,
ngoba kwakusenezimiso ze-2G emahholweni okugcoba.

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Ngempela. Futhi-ke ngangihlala
ngingakwazi ukubuza kancane ngakho.

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Engxoxweni, njengesimo sabantu ngabanye.

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Yebo.

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Ngempela. Futhi ngangihlala ngingabuza kancane
ngalokho engxoxweni ukuze ngithole isimo sabantu ngabanye.

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Ngempela. Bese basitshela nje, bese nathi sazi.

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Ngempela. Futhi-ke, njengoba ngishilo, kwavela inkinga ngabantu
abanezimo zezempilo ezazikhona

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ngaphambilini. Yebo, lokho kwakungaphakathi konyaka
ka-2021, cishe ngoMeyi noma ngoJuni, ngicabanga.

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Kwathi kamuva kwaba nabantu abaningi kakhulu – abantu abawa
phansi besahamba, abawa emabhayisikilini abo

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besagibela, noma abatholakala beselele emibhedeni
yabo ekuseni, befile ngokuthula ngesikhathi belele.

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Lokho kwakuyizinyanga ezimbalwa nje emva
kokuthi imijovo seyithole ukuduma ngempela.

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Ezinsukwini eziyishumi kamuva.

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Izinsuku eziyishumi?

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Izinsuku eziyishumi. Yebo, ngingasho lokho ngokunembile.
Empeleni, kwakuhlale kuyizinsuku eziyishumi kamuva.

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Kulungile.

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Lokho bekumangalisayo ngempela.

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Ngempela. Besidinga nje ukugcina iso ukuthi
bazonikeza nini i-booster elandelayo. Futhi

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sabesazi ukuthi sizoba nomsebenzi emasontweni amabili.

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Futhi lokho kwakungekho, masithi, kulokhu, yini
okubizwa ngokuthi umbiko wokufa? Leli xwebhu libizwa ngani?

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Yebo, kwakukhona isiqeshana somguli lapho. Angazi.

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Yebo, kodwa-ke mhlawumbe bekungekho lutho
ngalokho kuyo, akunjalo? Ukuthi kungaba nokuxhumana?

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Cha, cha, cha, cha. Akuzange kuthi lutho olunjalo.

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Kulungile.

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Cha.

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Njengoba ngishilo, kwakukhona odokotela, futhi
kusekhona, abakhetha 'imbangela yokufa ayaziwa'

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esitifiketini sokufa bese bebhala njengimbangela yokufa...

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... Leli sirinji?

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… ngempela, ukulungiselela lapho.

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Kanti-ke kuba nokubamba komzimba. Yebo, futhi
ekuqaleni, ngqo ekuqaleni, kwakusazenziwa ukuhlolwa komzimba.

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Kodwa ngeshwa, lezi zivivinyo zomzimba zokuhlola isizathu sokufa
zazihlala ziveza kuphela ukumisa kwenhliziyo, i-thrombosis

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noma i-stroke, noma yini. Kodwa lo xhumano awukaze uphenywe.

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Manje, uma sisenezimo ezinjalo – odokotela abambalwa
kakhulu abanesibindi sokuzibhala phansi –

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ngokuvamile idluliselwa ngqo yiHhovisi Lomshushisi Womphakathi.

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Akukho ukuthathwa nhlobo. Amaphoyisa axoxa
kafushane noHhovisi Lomtshutshisi Womphakathi, noma

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noma yiluphi uhlelo olulandelwayo, bese kudlula nje.

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Ngakho usho ukuthi sekuyisikhathi eside
manje, izinyanga ezimbalwa, akusekho msindo

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lapho kubhalwe khona lokho. Cha, ngempela.

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Kodwa ingabe bekunjalo kusukela ekuqaleni, uma kunjalo?

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Yebo, ekuqaleni nje, kodwa kuphela uma
bekukhona lapho ngaphakathi. Abantu

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abambalwa kakhulu ababefuna ukuhlolwa komzimba.

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Futhi uma yilokho abazalwane abakufunayo,
kwakudingeka siqale sithole indawo. Futhi sinazo

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izikhathi zokungcwaba okufanele sizilandele.

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Yebo, kumele ngempela ifihlwe noma itshiswe
phakathi nezinsuku eziyishumi, okusho ukuthi itshiswe.

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Ngempela.

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Yebo, futhi kunzima ukuhlela ukuhlolwa komzimba ngalesi sikhathi.

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Futhi uma ingayalelwa iziphathimandla, khona-ke wena
njengomzala – noma thina njengabameli bomndeni – kumele

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nisebenze ukwandisa izikhathi ezibekiwe nokunye okunjalo.

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Futhi lezo nazo zibiza imali. Konke kubiza imali, yebo. Futhi-ke
udinga indawo lapho ukuhlolwa komzimba kungaqhutshelwa khona.

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Futhi lapho, futhi, ufuna umuntu ongayihlaziya ngokucophelela.

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Yebo, kunzima ukuthola indawo. Futhi no-Arne
Burkhardt, okuningi sekulahlekile, impela.

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Futhi uDkt. Ute Krüger, owamsiza ekuhlolweni komzimba, useSweden
futhi akanakundiza njalo lapho kudingeka ukuhlolwa komzimba.

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Ngempela. Futhi-ke kudinga imali, akunjalo?
Awukwazi njalo ukwenza abantu basebenze ungabaholi.

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Yilokho nje-ke. Yebo, banezindleko zezindiza, izindleko zokuhamba,
nezindleko zokuhlala. Ngisho, kufanele kubhekwe okuthile.

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Ngakho-ke, lapha eJalimane, kunabantu abambalwa
abakwazi kahle lokhu, ngokuthi, kulokhu okuthile?

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Ngempela, kunzima. Ngiyazi. Ngeshwa, nami anginazo
izixhumanisi eziningi kangaka. I-MWDFG yayihlale

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iyindawo yami yokuxhumana, evela ku-Arne Burkhardt.

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Kodwa okwamanje abanodokotela abangakwazi
ukwenza ukuhlolwa komzimba ngemva kokufa.

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Futhi yingakho kuyinto ehlekisayo kancane.

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Yebo, u-Arne Burkhardt wayenguye owenza umsebenzi omningi
lapho. Ekuhlolweni komzimba, kodwa washona kamuva nje, akunjalo?

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Ngempela, yebo. Wafa ngenxa yengozi yokubhukuda, yebo. Ngicabanga
ukuthi kwenzeka lapho ezama ukusindisa indodana yakhe.

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Kulungile.

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Ngakho-ke yilona ibali elingemuva kwalokho. Masiyeke kanjalo.

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… Kulungile.

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Yebo.

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Yebo, kuyimfihlakalo kancane. Angikakayihloli le
ndaba yokufa, ngakho angikwazi ukukhuluma ngayo, kodwa...

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Yilokho kuphela engangikufundile ngakho. I-inthanethi yayigcwele
ngakho, kodwa ngineminye imisebenzi okufanele ngiyenze.

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: Yebo.

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Kulungile. Ngicabanga ukuthi manje
sesiphakathi kuka-2021 noma u-2021...

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Ngempela.

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… ngokushesha nje ngemva kokuqala kokufakwa
kwemijovo. Futhi kwenzekeni ngokulandelayo?

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Yiziphi ezinye izintuthuko ezijabulisayo ezazikhona?

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Kwabe sekuqala – ngingasho ukuthi kwakusele ngo-2021,
sekupheleni kuka-2021, ekuqaleni kuka-2022 – kwabe sekuqala

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kithi, kubantu abasha ababephuhlise umdlavuza we-turbo.

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Kwaba nezimo eziphuthumayo kakhulu.
Esheshayo kunazo zonke esasinayo kwakuyizinsuku

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ezingamashumi amahlanu kusukela ekuxilongweni.

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Wafa ngemva kwamaviki amahlanu, ngokuthi?

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Yebo, ngempela.

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Futhi omunye umphathi wokungcwaba usanda kuyitshela
ukuthi izinsuku ezimbili emva kokuthi umuntu osefile

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etshetswe ukuthi unomdlavuza, washona. Ngakho izinsuku ezimbili.

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Awazi nje ukuthi uselokhu enalo isikhathi
esingakanani. Namuhla, kumele ulinde phakade

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ukuze uthole isikhathi sokubonana nodokotela.

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Yebo. Sisabona lokho. Ngeshwa, yilokho kanye esisabhekana nakho.

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Futhi esikube nakho izikhathi eziningana kulo
nyaka ukuzalwa kusenesikhathi ngenyanga yesine.

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Kulungile, kodwa ngabe bekunjalo eminyakeni edlule? Noma cha?

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Akwenzeki kaningi. Futhi iningi lesikhathi, empeleni
kwakuyingane ezazihambe kakhulu, ezazisazalwa noma ezashona

13:30.392 --> 13:34.190
ngesikhathi sokuzalwa noma ngokushesha ngemva kokuzalwa.

13:34.190 --> 13:38.723
Ngathi lokho kwakuvame ukwenzeka kanye
ngonyaka noma njalo eminyakeni emibili.

13:38.723 --> 13:39.680
Kulungile.

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Ngempela, uxoxa nabanye abasebenzi bokufihlwa kwabashonile.

13:45.400 --> 13:52.853
Kufanele ngisho ukuthi kusekhona abambalwa ababona
izinto njengoba zinjalo. Futhi mina ngingumgcini

13:52.853 --> 13:57.260
wangcwaba ongajwayelekile, ngakho bayaxoxa ngemuva kwami.

13:57.260 --> 14:01.376
Ngizwa ngakho. Akusikho sengathi angikutholi.

14:01.376 --> 14:05.698
Kuyiqiniso ukuthi abantu abaningi abazi ukuthi
abantu bamele yiliphi uhlangothi. Futhi-ke

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bayakhuluma ngakho ngokusobala uma sebejwayelene nomuntu.

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Kodwa awusoze wazi kahle ukuthi bangilazi
kangakanani. Yebo, kunjalo nje. Empeleni ngihlangana kahle nabo

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bonke abasebenzi bokufaka amafasitela endaweni yethu.

14:16.512 --> 14:21.900
Yebo, kulungile. Sihlangana kahle futhi
ngithola kulula kakhulu ukukhuluma nabo.

14:21.900 --> 14:26.482
Yebo, futhi kulungile uma omunye umuntu ekubona
ngendlela ehlukile. Angifuni ukuphoqa umbono wethu

14:26.482 --> 14:29.040
kunoma ubani. Kuyilokho esikuhlangenwe nakho lapha nje.

14:29.040 --> 14:34.358
Ngingakhuluma kuphela egameni lethu futhi
ngokusekelwe ekuphendulweni engikutholile kwabanye

14:34.358 --> 14:37.312
ozakwethu. Ngisafuna nje ukuchaza kancane ngalokho.

14:37.312 --> 14:43.700
Endaweni yethu yokutshisa izidumbu, siyabona
ngokwengeziwe amakofini ezingane ezincane.

14:43.700 --> 14:51.240
Yebo, bese usuvele wazi okwenzekayo. Zifika ngosayizi ehlukene
futhi ziyizikhotha zefoetus, ezivame nje ukushiywa zimi lapho.

14:51.240 --> 14:56.128
Futhi ezweni lethu, kuyiqiniso nje ukuthi izingane
ezincane noma izingane ezisakhula esiswini ezisinda

14:56.128 --> 14:59.746
ngaphansi kwamagremu angu-500 azifakwa emngcwabeni.

14:59.746 --> 15:05.984
Futhi konke okwenzeka ngaphambi
kwalokho, angazi kahle ukuthi kwenzekani nakho.

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Ngokusemthethweni, bayaya endaweni yokunakekelwa kwezinkanyezi.

15:10.980 --> 15:17.080
Kuyumqondo omuhle nakubazali. Kodwa njengoba
ngishilo, yilokho okwenza ungawuzwa kaningi

15:17.080 --> 15:20.986
lapho izingane ezincane kangaka zilahlekile.

15:20.986 --> 15:28.204
Ngempela. Izikhathi eziningi, yizithandani ezisencane kakhulu
ezibe zilindele ukuba nengane iminyaka eminingi. Izikhathi

15:28.204 --> 15:33.617
eziningi, baphinde babe nenhlanhla embi
izikhathi eziningana. Futhi-ke bafuna nje ukufihla

15:33.617 --> 15:37.640
uthuli, bafuna umngcwabo wengane yabo. Ngempela.

15:37.640 --> 15:43.017
Yebo, futhi lokho kwakungenzeki kabili noma kathathu ngonyaka.
Lokho kwakungenzeki. Kwenzeka njalo

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eminyakeni emibili noma emithathu. Futhi izingane
zazivame ukuba zinkulu, hhayi zincane kangako.

15:48.580 --> 15:51.120
Futhi manje, kusukela nini lokhu sekuqala ukwenzeka kaningi?

15:51.120 --> 15:55.114
Lena yisikhathi sokuqala esikubonayo lokhu. Bengivele ngazi
ngalokhu kubo abanye abasebenza

15:55.114 --> 16:00.320
ngokufihlwa kwabashonile abakuthola ngonyaka
odlule. Kodwa kusiwele kithi kulo nyaka kuphela.

16:00.320 --> 16:08.248
Kulungile. Kwenzekeni eminyakeni eyalandela? Ngo-2022, ngo-2023
futhi manje kuze kube sekupheleni kuka-Agasti 2024? Ungakwazi

16:08.248 --> 16:11.648
yini ukusifingqa kafushane nokusinikeza umongo walokho?

16:11.648 --> 16:18.060
Yebo, ngithi ukuthi imbangela evamile
kakhulu yokufa empeleni yile mdlavuza ye-turbo.

16:18.060 --> 16:23.268
Futhi zonke izinhlobo zezinto: umdlavuza wamabele
kwabesifazane abangaphezu kweminyaka engu-80. Yebo,

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sesikhulume nodokotela abathi lokhu akufanele kube nokwenzeka.

16:26.205 --> 16:33.680
Abakaze babe nomfazi omdala one-mhlaza
wamabele kuyo yonke imisebenzi yabo yobungcweti.

16:33.680 --> 16:39.418
Futhi nabo bashona phakathi kwamaviki. Futhi
sibona ukuthi lapho silungisa umzimba womuntu

16:39.418 --> 16:42.885
oshonile, lapho simenza alungele, sibona okwenzekile.

16:42.885 --> 16:49.559
Yebo, singabona isifuba somfazi. Angikaze ngibone
okuthile okunjalo ngaphambili. Lokho kuyahlanya.

16:49.559 --> 16:54.028
Yebo, abantu abaningi bane umdlavuza
wamathumbu nanoma yini enye, lezi zinhlobo

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zomdlavuza ezisabalalisa amacala ngokushesha okukhulu.

16:57.680 --> 17:05.424
Yebo, bantu – kuvame ukuqala nge-carcinoma,
bese ngokuzumayo bavele babe nezithumba ezintsha

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ezivela yonke imizimba yabo. Yebo, kuyahlanya.

17:10.419 --> 17:16.172
Ngakho-ke umdlavuza we-turbo usho ukuthi
uyaqhubeka ngokushesha kakhulu kunomdlavuza ojwayelekile.

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Ngempela.

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Abanye odokotela kanye nochwepheshe bokwelapha ehlukile
baluleka ngalokhu, noma ngempela babike ukuthi kuzokwenzeka,

17:22.567 --> 17:25.856
futhi kubonakala sengathi yilokho ngempela okwenzekile.

17:25.856 --> 17:33.830
Yebo, impela. Singakuqinisekisa lokho,
futhi akuyeki ngeminyaka. Akubalulekile kuyo.

17:33.830 --> 17:39.567
Yebo. Manje sekunezimo eziningi zokugula ezifana nomdlavuza
wamathestikhali nomdlavuza weprostate. Yebo, kwabesifazane,

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njengoba ngishilo, kunomdlavuza wamabele nomdlavuza
wamathumbu omningi. Sinezinga eliphezulu lomdlavuza wamathumbu.

17:45.860 --> 17:47.300
Yebo.

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Kuyahlanya. Impela. Futhi kwesinye isikhathi kuba
nomuntu oshonela lapha manje nje, endaweni leyo.

17:57.500 --> 17:59.424
Ngakho usho ukufa okuvamile?

17:59.424 --> 18:05.593
Yebo, bayawa nje. Sebefile nje ngaleso
sikhathi. Akubalulekile ukuthi bahleli endlini

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yangasese noma belele embhedeni noma, hhayi, angazi.

18:09.520 --> 18:15.510
Kuyamangaza kakhulu. Sekuyenzeka kaningi kakhulu. Yebo, angisho
ukuthi akwenzekanga esikhathini esedlule ukuthi

18:15.510 --> 18:21.080
othile wathola ukuhlaselwa yizifo zenhliziyo
ngesikhathi egijima noma edlula emanzini noma okuthile.

18:21.080 --> 18:27.940
Kodwa hhayi kaningi njengamanje. Yebo, lokho
akunakwenzeka. Abantu abasafafi ngendlela ejwayelekile manje.

18:27.940 --> 18:36.670
Empeleni, imindeni engazange ihambe ngokwelashwa
kwezigene yiyo ekwazi ukuhambisana nezihlobo zabo ezindala,

18:36.670 --> 18:41.620
abazali babo noma nabani na ngendlela evamile ngokuphelele.

18:41.620 --> 18:48.161
Bafa ekhaya. Akukho okuthiwa "ukunakekelwa kokudambisa
ubuhlungu" noma yini enye. Yebo, bamane bebahlanganyela. Bayala

18:48.161 --> 18:51.784
ngokulala, bese konke kuba njengakuqala, njengakuqala nje.

18:51.784 --> 18:59.291
Ungabathatha abantu, ungabakulungisa, ungababeka izinsuku
eziyishumi zonke. Awudingi ukukhathazeka ukuthi kuzoba

18:59.291 --> 19:03.203
nazo izinkinga ekuboleni, okungukuthi enqubweni yokubola.

19:03.203 --> 19:09.728
Ngeshwa, lokhu kuhluke kancane kulabo abahileleke ekwelashweni.
Sigcizelele ukuthi kumele sinake izinto

19:09.728 --> 19:15.620
ezifana nalezi – kubizwa ngokuthi 'ukushelela
kwesikhumba'. Isikhumba siyakhululeka nokunye.

19:15.620 --> 19:24.240
Kufanele uziphathe ngokucophelela. Angifuni ukungena
emininingwaneni eminingi mayelana nenqubo yokubola.

19:24.240 --> 19:29.570
Kodwa ukuguquka kombala kukhona. Abashonile
baba mdaka, bahlaza, bamnyama. Akumnandi lokho.

19:29.570 --> 19:32.980
Awukwazi ukuvumela izihlobo ukuthi zibone lokho.

19:32.980 --> 19:41.900
Kuyiqiniso ukuthi ukubuka umzimba kuvame ukuba
kusekhona ngosuku lomngcwabo kubantu abahamba kude.

19:41.900 --> 19:44.685
Kodwa uma kunezinsuku
eziyisikhombisa phakathi, kuhamba ngokushesha.

19:44.685 --> 19:50.307
Uma umuntu eshona ngoLwesihlanu futhi ngingakwazi
ukuhlela umngcwabo ngoMsombuluko noma ngoLwesibili, khona-ke

19:50.307 --> 19:53.975
uzoba ngoLwesithathu, ngoLwesine, noma ngesonto elizayo.

19:53.975 --> 20:02.568
Futhi kungekudala ngeke kube sekwenzeka ukusho sishiyane. Sivame
ukuba nezimo lapho kumele ngitshele abantu, cha, ngiyaxolisa.

20:02.568 --> 20:10.035
Ngezinye izikhathi ngithatha umuntu emndenini ongakwazi
ukukwenza – bese bethi, cha, kulungile, sizoyishiya ivaliwe.

20:10.035 --> 20:15.133
Angikaze ngibe nakho kaningi esikhathini esedlule.
Kwakungavamile kakhulu. Kwakumele kube abantu ababeqinile

20:15.133 --> 20:17.903
ngempela noma abashonile ngemva kokwelashwa nge-chemotherapy.

20:17.903 --> 20:26.000
Noma uma bebelinikezwe i-cortisone eningi noma noma yini
ebizwa kanjalo, kwesinye isikhathi ukubola kwenzeka ngokushesha.

20:26.000 --> 20:32.992
Kodwa lokhu kuyahlanya ngempela.
Futhi sinabantu abageleza kakhulu.

20:32.992 --> 20:37.160
Angazi ngempela ukuthi yini leyo. Futhi
asizange sibe nayo esikhathini esedlule.

20:37.160 --> 20:44.128
Besivame ukuba nezimo lapho abantu begcwala igazi
entanyeni, isibonelo uma bebebekwe intubation ngaphambilini.

20:44.128 --> 20:47.864
Kwabe sekuba nokulimala endaweni yomqala
okubangelwa ukuhamba komoya noma okuthile okufana

20:47.864 --> 20:50.284
nalokho. Lokho kwakwenzeka kwesinye isikhathi.

20:50.284 --> 20:56.526
Kodwa njengoba kunjalo manje, oketshezi
kugeleza yonke indawo, akumnandi nhlobo.

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Ngakho-ke, ngempela usabona uxhumano oluqinile
phakathi kokufakwa komjovo wokwelashwa kwezofuzo

21:04.240 --> 21:08.780
kanye nalezi zinguquko ozibona emsebenzini wakho.

21:08.780 --> 21:17.835
Yebo, impela. Ngiyavuma ngokuphelele. Ngiyaxolisa kakhulu
ngalokho, ngoba ... nakithi kuwumsebenzi ohlukile, impela.

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Kumele sibhekane namaphunga nezinye izinto futhi.

21:24.236 --> 21:30.412
Futhi izimo... zinjalo: uma uphakamisa umuntu, uba ojwayelekile
ngokuphelele futhi kubonakala sengathi ulele

21:30.412 --> 21:36.212
ebhokisini lokushona. Futhi nakithi kuhluke, uma
kukhulunywa ngokucubungula lokhu kamuva, ngingasho.

21:36.212 --> 21:45.040
Akukhona sengathi zonke lezi zafa... sisengabantu,
asimishini. Futhi akufani nokuqoqa udoti noma yini.

21:45.040 --> 21:52.737
Sekuyinqubo egcwele imizwa. Futhi sihlale sizizwa
siqhenya ngomsebenzi wethu, isibonelo lapho sesilungise umuntu

21:52.737 --> 21:56.509
osefile futhi elele khona ethule ngokuthula ebhokisini.

21:56.509 --> 22:04.711
Futhi sihlale sithatha izithombe zomndeni uma befuna.
Futhi singazinikela noma sizibonise ngenhliziyo ecacile.

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Sihlale sizizwa siqhenya kakhulu
ngathi lapho sesiqedile umsebenzi wethu.

22:08.928 --> 22:09.749
Ngempela.

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Futhi manje sekunzima kakhulu?

22:11.800 --> 22:18.191
Yebo, impela. Ngakho-ke kumele senze
okuningi ukuvimbela ukopha nokunye okunjalo.

22:18.191 --> 22:25.019
Yebo, lokho kuyiqiniso... Futhi-ke kukhona ijubane
lokubola, njengoba ngishilo, abashonile bashintsha

22:25.019 --> 22:28.836
ngokushesha kakhulu kunakuqala, yebo. Akumnandi nje.

22:28.836 --> 22:30.870
Uma nifuna ukubuyela njengomndeni – bayabona

22:30.870 --> 22:35.744
Futhi izinguquko. Yebo, asiyona yedwa abazibona.

22:35.744 --> 22:42.431
Yebo. Anginayo izibalo okwamanje zokuthi nini, kaningi
kangakanani noma nini lapho izitozo eziningi kakhulu zazilethelwa

22:42.431 --> 22:47.112
khona. Kodwa ngingathi u-21 no-22
kwakuyisikhathi esiphezulu, akunjalo? Futhi kamuva

22:47.112 --> 22:50.480
kwazinzile. Okwamanje kusekhona phansi kakhulu, akunjalo?

22:50.480 --> 22:58.112
Ngicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi engihlangana
nabo bathi bane noma bane ezintathu, ngithi.

22:58.112 --> 23:05.916
Yebo, bese bemisa. Kunjalo nje. Angimazi cishe
muntu, kahle, abantu abambalwa kakhulu abangitshela:

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Angiboni lutho, anginakho lutho. Bathi ngemva
kwesikhashana babenokuphendula komzimba, kodwa yilokho kuphela

23:12.264 --> 23:15.840
futhi bazizwa belungile. Ngiyajabula kakhulu ngalokho.

23:15.840 --> 23:21.267
Kodwa iningi labantu engikhuluma nabo
abake bahlangabezana nokwelashwa kwezofuzo

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bonke banolimala oluthile. Abasaphili kahle.

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Noma kungokwezinzwa noma cha, abanye abantu bayathuthumela.
Engikuthakazelisa kakhulu wukuthi abaningi banezinkinga

23:33.411 --> 23:42.172
zesisu nempayipi yokugaya. Izinto ezifana ne-gastritis
noma ukopha emathunjini, angazi, izinto eziyinqaba ngempela.

23:42.172 --> 23:49.016
Futhi engikubonile ukuthi ezimweni eziningi lapho
lokhu kuyenzeka, nezilwane ezifuywayo nazo ziyakuthola.

23:49.016 --> 23:51.632
Kuyajabulisa. Mhlawumbe kudluliselwa ngokulahla isikhumba?

23:51.632 --> 23:55.124
Mhlawumbe. Yebo, yilokho kuphela engingacabanga ngakho.

23:55.124 --> 24:03.845
Ngizwe inkulumo ethokozisayo kaDkt. Sabine Stebel, futhi
wakhuluma ngokulahla. Abantu abaningi sebeqinisekisile lokhu.

24:03.845 --> 24:07.740
Futhi kungani izilwane zingakutholi lokho futhi?

24:07.740 --> 24:08.775
Yebo.

24:08.775 --> 24:14.845
Futhi kubi nje, ngoba kwesinye isikhathi ngisho
ne-homeopathy noma imithi yezitshalo ayisasisizi.

24:14.845 --> 24:21.720
Kuyiqiniso, abantu bayalwela, bayalwa nezinto, bahlala
besesibhedlela njalo ngoba bayaphelelwa amanzi emzimbeni.

24:21.720 --> 24:30.500
Uma umuntu enesifo sohudo nsuku zonke futhi ekhwehlela ukudla
kwakhe – ngisho, kufanele wazi – akasasitholi izakhamzimba.

24:30.500 --> 24:40.288
Labo abagijima lapha, abamhlophe njengelifu,
njengombala omhlophe ogrey. Kunzima kakhulu ukuchaza.

24:40.288 --> 24:41.935
Ngempela.

24:41.935 --> 24:52.933
Kodwa wathi, ekuqaleni nje, wabona ukuthi bashona ngokushesha
ngemva kwalokho, ikakhulukazi asebekhulile ababe sebethola

24:52.933 --> 25:05.042
imijovo eminingi, futhi manje kungenzeka ukuthi umjovo wokugcina
wawungaphambilini kakhulu, kodwa abaningi basashona ngenxa yawo.

25:05.042 --> 25:05.471
Yebo.

25:05.471 --> 25:10.804
Ngokulibaziseka kwezinyanga ezimbalwa noma
mhlawumbe ngisho neminyaka embalwa, ngokuthi.

25:10.804 --> 25:23.163
: Uma nje ubheka i-"Destatis" – ngoJuni kulo nyaka, angiqiniseki
kahle, evikini lesi-25 – kuzodingeka ubheke, basavulile –

25:23.163 --> 25:34.848
ungabheka umbiko wanyanga zonke: ukufa okweqile okungu-14%
noma 16% uma kuqhathaniswa neminyaka emithathu edlule.

25:34.848 --> 25:39.229
Kuhle ukuthi benza lokho okungenani kube kanye,
ngoba ngonyaka odlule, nonyaka ngaphambi kwalowo...

25:39.229 --> 25:41.022
kanye nonyaka ngaphambi kwalokho, okubalulekile

25:41.022 --> 25:45.040
Babe nokufa okwedlulele. Futhi manje ngaphezu kwalokho!

25:47.560 --> 25:51.789
Yebo, uJuni wawunzima kakhulu kithi futhi,
ngingakutshela lokho, futhi kwakunjalo nakubo

25:51.789 --> 25:54.478
bonke abasebenzi bokufaka abangikhulume nabo.

25:54.478 --> 25:59.754
Manje ngoJulayi, sekuncane kancane futhi.
Ngicabanga ukuthi lapho isimo sezulu sishintsha

25:59.754 --> 26:03.443
futhi, lapho kuba kubanda, sizokhuphuka futhi.

26:03.443 --> 26:06.897
Khona-ke besizobuyela kumjikelezo wesentwasahlobo nowasewindla.

26:06.897 --> 26:07.514
Yebo.

26:07.514 --> 26:14.806
Sekulinganisekile futhi, ngakho sekukhona. Kodwa,
njengoba ngishilo, isizathu sokuqala sokufa endlini

26:14.806 --> 26:19.040
yethu yokungcwaba kusekhona lo mdlavuza onobungozi.

26:19.040 --> 26:20.704
Ngemva kokufakwa kwegazi.

26:20.704 --> 26:22.420
Yebo.

26:22.420 --> 26:26.304
Ngakho-ke cishe ubona izimo ezimbalwa kakhulu
zomdlavuza weturbo ngaphandle kokufakwa kwezithasiselo.

26:26.304 --> 26:30.021
Ngempela, abakwazi ngempela ukukuthola lokho.

26:30.021 --> 26:32.345
Futhi usanda ukusho uJuni.

26:32.345 --> 26:39.061
Kumele ngikhulume nje ngalokho. Sisanda kuzwa
ngezinye izimo zabantu abangazange bathole ukwelashwa.

26:39.061 --> 26:49.940
Babe necancer futhi baya kudokotela abafanele noma kubaphilisi,
ngingasho. Futhi phakathi kwamaviki ayisishiyagalombili baphola.

26:49.940 --> 26:52.023
Yebo, kubonakala kungenzeka.

26:52.023 --> 26:53.280
Yebo, iyasebenza.

26:53.280 --> 26:54.728
Ngisho ngaphandle kokwelashwa nge-chemotherapy.

26:54.728 --> 27:00.276
Awukwazi nje ukusebenzisa indlela yendabuko... Angifuni
ukuyihlasela, kodwa iqiniso liwukuthi uma ufuna ukuba

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nempilo enhle, kufanele ngempela usebenzise imithi yemvelo.

27:05.559 --> 27:12.903
Kubonakala kunjalo, yebo. Wakhuluma ngoJuni, futhi ngicabanga
ukuthi kwakuyonyaka odlule lapho uNgqongqoshe Wezempilo wethu,

27:12.903 --> 27:19.120
uKarl Lauterbach, eqhubeka exwayisa ngalesi sigameko sokushisa
okukhulu kanye nokufa okuhlobene nokushisa njalo njalo.

27:19.120 --> 27:25.792
Kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi ubone izimo
ezimbalwa lapho bafa ngenxa kuphela yokushisa.

27:25.792 --> 27:32.731
Cha, angazi, akekho owake wangitshela
lokho. Akekho owake wangitshela lokho.

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Akekho ongake angitshele ukuthi kukhona umuntu ofile ngenxa
yokubanda. Ngakho-ke lezo izinto ezifana

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nalezo... nakuba ngempela ngicabanga ukuthi lokho
kungenzeka kakhulu kunokufa okubangelwa ukushisa.

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Ngake ngathola ukushiswa yilanga. Akumnandi, kuba
nokuhlabeka kwekhanda, isicanucanu kanye nazo zonke izimpawu

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ezihambisana nakho. Lowo mkhuhlane owuzwayo awumnandi.

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Ngempela ingakubulala. Ngakho-ke uma umuntu
engaphilanga kahle ngokomzimba, kodwa mina

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angikaze ngiyithole eminyakeni engu-17. Impela cha.

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Manje-ke umbuzo omkhulu uwukuthi sesiphakathi nentwasahlobo noma
sekupheleni kwayo, futhi umoya ubonakala

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ukhululekile okwamanje. Okungenani, yilokho
engingakubona maqondana nale ndaba yezempilo.

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Kodwa ngingakucabanga, noma ngempela
sekumenyezelwe ukuthi okuthile kungaphinde kwenzeke.

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Ngakho-ke kunezinye izakhamuzi ezijulile kulesi sihloko futhi
ezenze ucwaningo oluningi, njengaye uHeiko Schöning,

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owake wabikezela cishe ukuthi izinto zazizophela
kanjani ezinyangeni ezimbalwa ngaphambilini ngendaba ye-C.

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Futhi manje usexwayise futhi ukuthi
ukuhlasela i-microbiome kuyalungiselelwa.

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Abanye bakhuluma nge-bird flu engake ngizwe ngayo kanye, bese
kuba ne-monkeypox, ngicabanga, noma angiqiniseki kahle, kodwa

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noma kunjalo, i-WHO manje isimenyezelile isimo esiphuthumayo.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi kusenokuba kube nezinye izinto ezisazofika.
Ngicabanga ukuthi lapho ubusika bufika futhi abantu bathonywa

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kalula ngoba bangase bangazizwa bekahle,
mhlawumbe ngenxa yokwehla kancane kwamazinga abo

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e-vitamin D, isimo esilandelayo singase sesiseduze.

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Ucabanga ukuthini, noma yiziphi izeluleko
ongazinika abantu mayelana nokuthi bangabhekana

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kanjani nalokhu, futhi ubahlola kanjani isimo?

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Ngakho-ke uma ubheka nje idathabheyisi ye-EMA, ngomhlaka
27 Agasti 2022, cishe eminyakeni emibili edlule,

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kwakuseshilo ukufa okungu-26,218 okubikiwe ngenxa 'yokwelashwa'.

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Uma uyinqathanisa ne-swine flu eyayikhona ngaleso
sikhathi, konke kwamiswa ngemva kokufa kwabantu abangu-35!

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Ngempela ngiyethemba ukuthi abantu sebethole
ukuqaphela okuhlukile ngakho konke lokhu, manje

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sebeqaphele kancane futhi bacubungule ngokucophelela.

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Angikwazi ngempela ukucabanga ukuthi labo
abahlupheka okwamanje ngenxa yokulimala bangaphinde

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benze olunye uhlobo lokwelashwa olunjengalolu.

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Unikeza isiqubulo, cabanga ukuthi yi-Plandemic, kodwa akekho oya.

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Ngisho, ngiyizuzela imali yami ngakho. Njengoba ngishilo,
kusukela lapho ngibe nokuthengisa okuhle kakhulu, kumele ngisho.

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Ukufa kwami kuphindeke kabili, naphezu
kwabacabanga ngokwehlukana. Ngingumthwali

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wabafileyo ocabanga ngokwehlukana lapha edolobheni.

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Ukusesha ezindlini kwakumayelana nani?

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Ukusesha kokuqala endlini kwenzeka ngenxa yale
flyer yokuhamba ngoMsombuluko, ngoba yayingenalo uphawu

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lokunyathelisa kuyo. Ngikubona konke kuyihlaya nje.

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Ummeli wethu uphinde wathi uma ukubheka
ngokukhululekile, konke kulungile, ngoba bazobuya kaningi.

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Uthi futhi kuwukwesabisa nje. Angisaphindi ngindize ukuze
indiza yami ingawi. Ngakho-ke ngenza izinto ngokuqaphela.

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Umyeni wami, isibonelo, naye uthanda ukuthi
ngihlale nginokuhamba nomuntu uma ngiphuma.

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Yebo, yilokho nje okwamanje izinto sezishintshile.

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Ngibonile ukuthi ngeshwa bekumele
siziveze ngokucophelela kakhulu.

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Ngenxa yendaba okukhulunywayo, noma
ngempela amagama adingekayo ukuchaza le ndaba.

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Yingakho nginqume ukwenza ividiyo yonke
itholakale kwenye indawo ngobude bayo bonke, futhi,

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impela, ingacenzurwa ngokuphelele futhi imahhala.

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Futhi uma ufuna ukubona ividiyo ephelele, vele uchofoze
kusixhumanisi sokuqala esichazweni sevidiyo esingezansi.

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Kusele cishe imizuzu engaphansi kweyishumi nanhlanu,
okungafanele uphuthelwe. Yebo, ngithi sizobonana futhi

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kuvidiyo ephelele. Kuze kube yilapho, nginguSören. Sala kahle.