WEBVTT 00:03.320 --> 00:14.020 Na girma a Belgium kuma an sayar da ni cikin wata ƙungiyar masu fyade kan yara masu kisan kai a kusa da ranar haihuwata ta shida. 00:14.020 --> 00:20.733 An yi amfani da ni a wannan cibiyar sadarwa na tsawon shekaru biyar da rabi. 00:20.733 --> 00:30.148 Maza manya da suka kasance cikin wannan kulob na musamman suna wurin ne saboda dalilai 00:30.148 --> 00:36.386 daban-daban, amma akwai giya da ƙwayoyi da yawa. 00:36.386 --> 00:49.823 Kuma yara su ne kaya, mafi daraja da kimar kaya, kuma ana amfani da su galibi don jima'i. 00:49.823 --> 00:59.663 Amma akwai wasu 'yan sarauta kaɗan da suke mambobin wannan ƙungiya kuma suna jin daɗin kashe yara. 00:59.663 --> 01:08.130 Sai kuma ya zama kaina. A lokacin ina da shekaru goma sha ɗaya, za a kashe ni. 01:08.130 --> 01:18.976 An azabtar da ni saboda wani da ya kare ni na ɗan lokaci, sannan ya yi mini mummunan cin zarafi, ya gama da ni. 01:18.976 --> 01:23.183 An daure ni a kan teburin yanka dabbobi. 01:24.783 --> 01:30.310 Ya kasance baƙi da jinin duk yaran da suka gabace ni. 01:35.156 --> 01:38.653 Na kasance a wurin na tsawon sa'o'i da dama. 01:40.929 --> 01:50.143 Jikina cike yake da tabo. Kuma kowanne tabo yana tunatar da ni wannan lokaci. 01:50.143 --> 02:01.103 Na yi tunanin za a kashe ni, kamar duk yaran da ba a ƙaunarsu isasshe ba don su rayu. 02:01.103 --> 02:08.150 Kuma ni ma za a manta da ni. Kuma ban shirya mutuwa ba. 02:08.150 --> 02:15.730 Wani a cikin wannan cibiyar ya ƙaunace ni sosai har ya ceci ni. 02:15.730 --> 02:27.150 Azabtarwar ta ɗauki sa'o'i kaɗan. Na kasance cikin wannan cibiyar sadarwa na tsawon shekaru biyar da rabi. 02:27.150 --> 02:34.543 A wannan lokacin, an yi min fyade sau da yawa, da yawa, da yawa. 02:34.543 --> 02:40.443 Babu tabo da zan nuna nawa sau aka yi min fyade. 02:40.443 --> 02:48.943 Amma na ƙididdige shi. Yawanci yana faruwa a ƙarshen mako, duk dare. 02:48.943 --> 02:59.410 Don haka na ƙididdige cewa an yi min fyade, ainihin fyade, na kusan sa'o'i shida a mako. 02:59.410 --> 03:09.240 Awanni 1,716 na fyade kafin na kai shekaru goma sha biyu. 03:11.823 --> 03:20.120 Na girma tare da umarnin da mutumin da ya cece ni ya bani. 03:20.120 --> 03:25.512 Wannan ya hana ni yin batsa da shan miyagun ƙwayoyi, ya kuma fitar da ni daga ƙasar, daga 03:25.512 --> 03:29.536 Belgium, inda duk waɗannan abubuwan suka faru. 03:33.356 --> 03:43.269 Ko da yake ban da tabo, a matsayina na matashi na mai girma na mai hankali sosai kan zama abin jima'i har na jawo 03:43.269 --> 03:49.656 maza, kuma wani ɓangare na kaina yana buƙatar hakan don rayuwa. 03:49.656 --> 03:56.003 Domin hakan ne kawai hanyar da na sani don jin daɗi game da kaina. 03:56.003 --> 04:03.243 Kuma a lokacin ina matashiya, an yi min rashin girmamawa sosai kuma an yi amfani da ni sosai. 04:03.243 --> 04:12.463 Kuma duk da haka kowa ya yi saurin zargina. Saboda kasancewa mai sassaucin jima'i. 04:12.463 --> 04:22.870 Arha, kamar yadda aka ce, karuwa ce. Duk waɗannan abubuwa, duk waɗannan lakabi, sun yanke min hukunci cikin sauri. 04:22.870 --> 04:31.804 Sa'an nan, yayin da na warke, na gane cewa a'a, dole ne in tsere daga wannan tsarin da na 04:31.804 --> 04:38.090 makale a ciki, inda nake buƙatar kulawar jima'i. 04:38.090 --> 04:46.096 Dole ne in rabu da wannan kuma in ƙi barin a ɗauke ni a matsayin abu. Ina so in zama mace mai yanci. 04:46.096 --> 04:55.516 Don haka, shekaru goma bayan shekaru goma, na yi aiki kan jin duk azabar abin da aka yi mini, 04:55.516 --> 05:02.623 duk cin amanar iyayena, da yadda aka sayar da ni. 05:02.623 --> 05:10.927 Yara su ne mambobin al'ummarmu mafi rauni. Don haka, mu kafa al'umma inda yara za su kasance 05:10.927 --> 05:16.460 cikin aminci, inda za su sami al'umma a kusa da su. 05:16.460 --> 05:23.196 Kowane yaro na da hakkin samun tsaro. Babu wani yaro da ya cancanci abin da na sha kuma 05:23.196 --> 05:27.790 abin da miliyoyin yara ke sha kowace rana. 05:27.790 --> 05:33.800 Amma abin takaici, wannan wani ɓangare ne na tsarin da ake da shi a halin yanzu. 05:33.800 --> 05:47.756 A matsayinmu na mata, muna da matuƙar damar gaske mu tausaya wa duk abin da muke sha a matsayinmu na mata. 05:47.756 --> 05:57.056 Wannan ya ba mu ƙarfi fiye da kowa. Duk azabar da ke bayan rashin iko da cin mutunci, gaske jin 05:57.056 --> 06:02.900 abin da aka yi mini, gaske fahimtar cewa ba ni ba ne. 06:02.900 --> 06:06.395 Da cewa ina jin daɗi a ƙarshen yini. 06:06.395 --> 06:12.929 Ni yaro ne. An sa ni cikin masu raunin. Ba laifina ba ne. 06:16.836 --> 06:21.856 Za ku iya gano ƙarin bayani game da Anneke Lucas a cikin wannan hirar da ke tafe. 06:21.856 --> 06:27.496 Gabatarwa Gareth: Baƙonmu na gaba yana tare da mu daga New York. Anneke Lucas ta sayar da ita ta uwar ta a matsayin bawa 06:27.496 --> 06:30.730 na jima'i ga wata ƙungiyar masu cin zarafin yara a Belgium. 06:30.730 --> 06:35.463 Anneke ana yi mata fyade kullum da maza manya har ta kai shekaru 11. 06:35.463 --> 06:40.272 Da yawa daga cikinsu manyan 'yan siyasa ne na Belgium. A lokacin tana da shekaru 11, an ɗauka ba ta da 06:40.272 --> 06:43.590 amfani ga cibiyar, aka azabtar da ita kusan har ta mutu. 06:43.590 --> 06:49.643 An ceci ta daga mutuwa ta hannun wani mutum da ya yi sulhu da 'yan siyasa masu alhakin cibiyar. 06:49.643 --> 06:55.046 Hira Gareth: Anneke, na gode ƙwarai da gaske da tattaunawa da mu. Abu na farko da ya yi mini matuƙar 06:55.046 --> 06:58.190 burgewa shi ne cewa mahaifiyarki ce ta sayar da ke. 06:58.190 --> 07:04.416 A matsayina na uba, na sha wahala wajen ganin amfaninsa. Ta yaya kake magance hakan? 07:06.436 --> 07:14.780 Anneke: Wannan tsari ne na rayuwa baki ɗaya. Domin, tabbas, mahaifiyata ce mutumin da ta fi kowa kasancewa kusa da ni. 07:14.780 --> 07:20.696 Ina ganin mu duka mafi farko masu kula ne. Ita ma tana kadaici, kuma ni ne take da shi. 07:20.696 --> 07:28.263 Sannan – ka sani, mahaifiyata ba ta da lafiya; za ka iya cewa tana da rashin lafiya na hankali, wanda ba a taɓa gano shi ba. 07:28.263 --> 07:33.350 Zan bayyana ta a matsayin mai halin psychopath; irin yadda wani lokaci yake faruwa ga mata. 07:33.350 --> 07:37.263 Saboda haka, ta yi matuƙar ƙasa a gaban dukkan maza. 07:37.263 --> 07:46.870 Ta yi hali kamar yarinya mai shekaru biyar, tana yin wasa da sha'awa cikin ban mamaki, tana nuna halayen jima'i ga duk maza. 07:46.870 --> 07:53.100 Ta mika kanta cikin sauƙi sosai. Ina tunanin ni madubin nata ne. 07:53.100 --> 08:04.116 Kuma ya kasance matuƙar wahala kasancewa tare da su saboda ba a taɓa samun wuri na ba. Gaba ɗaya hasashe ne. 08:04.116 --> 08:11.643 Ko dai ni ce wata yarinya ƙarama marar ƙarfi, ba ta da wani abin burgewa, ba ta da kyau, wadda take taimaka mata, 08:11.643 --> 08:16.123 kuma sai a ce ni mai kyau ce, ko kuma ni ce mai mugunta. 08:16.123 --> 08:23.422 Amma ainihin tambayar da kake yi wa kanka ita ce: "Ta yaya wani zai iya yin irin wannan abu? Ta yaya manya 08:23.422 --> 08:28.783 a wannan cibiyar sadarwa za su iya yin haka wa yara?" 08:28.783 --> 08:36.436 Da yawa daga cikinsu iyaye ne. Kuma da yawa daga cikinsu, na tabbata, su ma iyaye ne masu yin jima'i da jini. 08:36.436 --> 08:42.307 To, abin shi ne cewa mahaifiyata ba ta bunƙasa a bangaren motsin rai tun tana kusan shekara 08:42.307 --> 08:45.956 biyar. Wannan lokacin ne mahaifiyarta ta mutu. 08:45.956 --> 08:52.285 Ta fito ne daga wani wuri mai tsananin tashin hankali, wanda – dole ne in ɗauka – ya faru a Belgium a shekarar 08:52.285 --> 08:56.550 1939, a wani birni da aka yawan bama-bamai a lokacin yaƙi. 08:56.550 --> 09:00.623 Mahaifinta ya kasance fursuna a sansanin kamewa. 09:00.623 --> 09:11.110 Ka san, ina ganin ya kasance da matukar wahala saboda mutuwar mahaifiyarta da sauran mutuwar da suka faru a cikin iyali. 09:11.110 --> 09:19.160 Bayan yakin, akwai kaɗan albarkatu don taimaka wa mutane su warke daga raunin zuciya. Don haka aka ta yawo da ita a karkarar 09:19.160 --> 09:27.015 Belgium, an ta yawo da ita gaba ɗaya. Wataƙila mutane sun yi tunanin tana ɗan batsa saboda al'umma ce mai Katolika sosai, 09:27.015 --> 09:32.263 amma an ta yawo da ita. Kuma ni ne babban wanda ta yi wa lahani. 09:32.263 --> 09:43.476 Gareth: Yana da matuƙar wahala a fahimci irin wannan tunani na sayar da ɗanka a can. Amma kuma mutanen da za su iya yin hakan. 09:43.476 --> 09:49.960 Yana da matuƙar wahala a fahimci komai. Cewa mutane na iya aikata wani abu mai matuƙar muni. 09:49.960 --> 09:54.180 Shekaru nawa kake lokacin da ka fahimci girman sharri? 09:54.180 --> 10:01.350 Domin hakan abu ne da yaro bai kamata ya taɓa fuskanta ba, ko da kaɗan. 10:01.350 --> 10:08.227 Anneke: Haka ne! To, cibiyar tana da mugunta sosai. Kuma ni – kamar yadda ka ce a gabatarwa – na kasance a 10:08.227 --> 10:13.223 cikin wata cibiyar a Belgium wadda ke aiki kamar mafia. 10:13.223 --> 10:18.350 Amma an jagorance shi ne ta hannun Sakataren Tsaro na lokacin. 10:18.350 --> 10:25.683 Shi ne ɗan siyasa wanda ya yi fice cikin gaggawa. Ya kasance Firayim Minista na Belgium sau biyu: Paul 10:25.683 --> 10:29.896 Vanden Boeynants. Na ambace shi a cikin littafina. 10:29.896 --> 10:39.943 Gaskiya yana da alaƙa da... cibiyar sadarwa ta cikin gida ce; cibiyar sadarwa ta Belgium. 10:39.943 --> 10:44.496 Kamar yadda kuka sani, Belgium ƙasa ce ƙanana. Ta kasance ƙaramin cibiyar sadarwa. 10:44.496 --> 10:52.524 Amma ta hanyar bautar shaiɗan, sun haɗu da wasu masu bautar shaiɗan mafi daraja kuma 10:52.524 --> 10:58.420 koyaushe suna amfani da yara a matsayin kaya. 11:00.016 --> 11:07.660 An yi min cin zarafi tun ina da shekaru shida, lokacin da aka fara musanya ni. 11:07.660 --> 11:15.483 Na makara, domin yawanci ana zaluntar yaran iyalai masu bautar shaiɗan tun da wuri sosai. 11:15.483 --> 11:23.050 Don haka an saka ni cikin cibiyar sadarwa a lokacin ina da shekaru shida, kuma an yi min cin zarafi a Belgium. 11:23.050 --> 11:28.740 Ko ta hannun wasu manyan mutane da suka kasance masu tsanani matuƙa, masu zalunci, 11:28.740 --> 11:32.743 kuma ba sa jin wata damuwa wajen kashe yara. 11:32.743 --> 11:37.090 Don haka babu wani dalili da ya sa na tsira. 11:37.090 --> 11:43.270 Sai kuma a shekara ta tara... a cikin waɗancan shekarun farko, sau da yawa maza da aka yi musu 11:43.270 --> 11:46.876 tunzura cikin wannan tsarin sun yi mini cin zarafi. 11:46.876 --> 11:58.220 Gaskiya tsarin fada ne na cin zarafi. A ciki, an fara haɗa su da wata yarinya mai kimanin shekaru 14 ko 15. 11:58.220 --> 12:08.356 An iya gaya musu cewa tsohuwar ce. An yi rikodin hakan a kan faifai. A lokacin ne aka fara yin fada-baki. 12:08.356 --> 12:15.150 Sai suka zo wurina. A shekara shida ko bakwai, babu shakka kai ƙaramin yaro ne. 12:15.150 --> 12:26.803 Kowa da yake wurin kuma ya yi fyade kan karamin yaro haka – ko da na roƙe shi. An koya mini cewa ya kamata in sa su ji daɗi. 12:26.803 --> 12:33.463 Amma ko da haka, babu shakka an aikata laifi. 12:33.463 --> 12:38.296 Amma koyaushe akwai maza da suka ce, "Ba zan yi hakan ba. Ba zan iya yin hakan ba." 12:38.296 --> 12:44.203 Amma a lokacin ban gane yadda aka riga aka dasa waɗannan maza ra'ayi sosai ba, kuma kamar yadda ake faɗa, sai mutum ɗaya 12:44.203 --> 12:48.656 ne zai iya yin komai. Wannan ne abin da suke faɗa koyaushe. 12:51.383 --> 12:57.958 Kullum ina jin cewa mutanen da suka zalunce ni, su ma an zalunce su a lokacin yarinta, kuma 12:57.958 --> 13:02.863 suna maimaita wannan hali ne daga matsayi na iko. 13:02.863 --> 13:11.686 Ta wannan hanya, sun shawo kan jin rashin iko da rashin agaji da suka sha a sakamakon cin zarafin kansu. 13:11.686 --> 13:17.410 Ta wannan aikin matuƙar rashin kunya, inda suka ji suna da iko. Kuma, tabbas, mafi 13:17.410 --> 13:21.673 yawan waɗanda suka tsira ba sa zama masu laifi. 13:21.673 --> 13:29.250 Amma an tsara wannan hanyar ne ta yadda take ba ko ƙarfafa mutanen da duk da haka suka shirya zama masu 13:29.250 --> 13:34.870 laifi damar su bayyana wannan babbar asirin pedofiliya. 13:38.296 --> 13:45.917 A matsayin farawa, don ka sami su duka a aljihunka. Kuma hakan ya shimfiɗa har… Gareth: Shin har yanzu kike 13:45.917 --> 13:53.970 ganin wasu daga cikin waɗannan mutanen da suka zalunce ki a talabijin ko a jaridun Belgium? 13:56.856 --> 14:02.676 Anneke: Ka duba. Ba a takaita shi ga Belgium kawai ba. Na kasance wanda aka yi safarar mutane 14:02.676 --> 14:06.296 da ni a Amurka, Faransa, Switzerland da Italiya. 14:06.296 --> 14:16.689 Ka sani, a lokacin ina da shekaru tara, za ka iya cewa an miƙa ni ga wani mai hulɗa da ƙasashen waje wanda ya kai ni Amurka. 14:16.689 --> 14:24.064 Wannan mutum ne wanda aka san shi sosai a matakin duniya. A wannan lokacin, an yi min sarrafa tunani. 14:24.064 --> 14:32.309 Na kwashe shekara guda a can, wanda na kira 'kursin iko': wannan wata ƙungiya ce ta mutane masu matuƙar iko, masu bautar shaiɗan, 14:32.309 --> 14:36.710 ciki har da mashahurai, 'yan siyasa, da iyalai na sarauta. 14:36.710 --> 14:44.936 Kuma tabbas kana ganin waɗannan mutane, tabbas ni har yanzu ina ganinsu – ko da yake mafi yawan masu aikata min 14:44.936 --> 14:51.156 laifi sun mutu yanzu – saboda sun yi fice sosai. Suna ko'ina. 14:51.156 --> 14:58.583 Gareth: Wannan lallai abin mamaki ne a gare ka. Don ganin hakan, da sanin wanene wadannan mutane a gaskiya. 14:58.583 --> 15:05.543 Yaya kake ji idan ka gan su? Wataƙila tambaya ce ta banza, amma zan iya tunanin 'fushi'. 15:05.543 --> 15:11.550 Anneke: Eh! Yana sa ni in so in ba su suna. Abin da ba zan iya yi ba. 15:11.550 --> 15:20.323 Wannan ya yi matuƙar bayyana a gare ni: idan na aikata hakan, zan mutu. Za a kashe iyalina. Wannan shi ne saƙon da na samu. 15:20.323 --> 15:28.916 Na gano cewa iyalan babban mai laifina suna gudanar da nasu aikin leƙen asiri. 15:28.916 --> 15:32.230 Da alama kamar na riga na fuskanci wannan a wani ɓangare. 15:32.230 --> 15:39.249 Waɗannan su ne duk mutanen da suka bayyana a rayuwata kuma aka horar da su ta wannan hanya. 15:39.249 --> 15:43.310 An horar da ni a matsayin leƙen asiri. Don haka zan iya gane shi. 15:43.310 --> 15:49.144 Amma saƙon ya kasance a bayyane sosai; ta hanyarsu ta musamman, sun sanar da ni cewa barazanar kullum ita 15:49.144 --> 15:52.456 ce: "Idan ka ambaci sunan wannan mutumin, za ka mutu." 15:52.456 --> 15:56.998 Kuma ina ganin cewa da yawa daga cikin waɗanda suka tsira kamar ni za su yarda su ba da 15:56.998 --> 15:59.543 rayuwarsu don wannan manufa idan ta cancanta. 15:59.543 --> 16:07.656 Amma koyaushe dole ne ka kimanta abin da za ka iya bayyana da abin da ba za ka iya bayyana ba. Wannan yana sa ni fushi sosai. 16:07.656 --> 16:15.159 Hakanan yana sa ni matuƙar fushi yadda mafi yawan mutane ke gaskata labarin cewa waɗannan mutane ne masu 16:15.159 --> 16:20.456 ban mamaki da ake buƙatar tallafawa domin a gan su. 16:20.456 --> 16:30.276 Gareth: Tabbas, na tuna; a lokacin ina yaro a Birtaniya. An gano babbar cibiyar masu cin zarafin yara a Belgium. 16:30.276 --> 16:34.390 Ya zama manyan labarai a nan Birtaniya. 16:34.390 --> 16:43.783 Shin hakan yana da alaƙa da cibiyar da kake ciki? Ko kuwa kawai mutane sun yi ƙoƙarin kusantar gaskiya kaɗan? 16:43.783 --> 16:48.560 Shin mu ba su wasu 'yan fyade kan yara da ba su da muhimmanci sosai don su shaƙa ɗan 16:48.560 --> 16:52.676 sha'awarsu, yayin da muke kare manyan sunaye? 16:56.550 --> 17:03.763 Anneke: Haka dai ya kasance a ƙarshe. Abin da kake nuni da shi an san shi da suna "Shari'ar Dutroux". 17:03.763 --> 17:12.622 Ina so in nuna muku littafina . A cikinsa, na rubuta game da shari'ar Dutroux, wadda ke da alaƙa sosai da labarin rayuwata. 17:12.622 --> 17:24.016 Ainihi, cibiyar sadarwar ita ce ɗaya. An gano hakan a shekarar 1996 lokacin da aka gano gawarwakin yara. 17:24.016 --> 17:28.447 An ceto yara biyu daga cikin rami mai duhu. 17:28.447 --> 17:34.711 Wani mai safara daga wannan cibiyar na Belgium ya fara sace yara. 17:36.356 --> 17:40.036 Wannan abu ne mai matuƙar ban mamaki; an kama shi. 17:40.036 --> 17:52.902 Yara sun mutu a kula da shi – saboda mafi yawan masu safarar mata suna kutsa cikin iyalai, su ɗauki yara su mayar da su gida. 17:52.902 --> 18:00.690 Ni kaina na tafi makaranta, don haka ya fi sauƙi. Babu iyaye da ke neman ni. Iyaye na sun shiga ciki, 18:00.690 --> 18:06.250 kamar yawancin iyayen yaran da aka yi amfani da su. 18:06.250 --> 18:14.556 Shari'ar Dutroux ta tayar da komai. Marc Dutroux shi ne mai sayar da mata. 18:14.556 --> 18:19.856 Kuma abin da ya faru daga nan: ya zama babban jayayya – a duk faɗin duniya. 18:19.856 --> 18:27.063 Sun yi magana game da cibiyar sadarwa, mutane a ko'ina cikin duniya sun yi magana a kai, kuma abin da ya faru abin mamaki ne. 18:27.063 --> 18:32.243 A cikin wannan... Ya ɗauki shekaru takwas kafin a kai ƙara kotu. 18:32.243 --> 18:37.902 Yawancin waɗanda suka tsira sun fito a matsayin shaidu kuma sun bayar da hujjoji. 18:37.902 --> 18:46.203 An duba shi, an sake duba shi sau biyu, ta hannun wasu 'yan sanda masu bincike masu ƙwarewa sosai. 18:46.203 --> 18:54.196 Sun gano abubuwan da suka yi kama, abubuwa da waɗannan masu tsira ba za su iya sani ba idan ba su kasance a wurin ba. 18:54.196 --> 19:01.583 Ban kasance a Belgium a wancan lokacin ba. Na san kaɗan ƙwarai game da "Shari'ar Dutroux" kafin an kori 19:01.583 --> 19:06.560 alkalin farko, mutumin farko da ke da alhakin shari'ar. 19:09.110 --> 19:13.856 Saboda zargin nuna son rai, wanda ya haifar da zanga-zangar fararen fata a wancan lokacin. 19:13.856 --> 19:18.970 Dukkan al'ummar Belgium suna cikin rudani saboda an kashe yara. 19:18.970 --> 19:24.436 Kowa ya sa fari don jaddada rashin laifin yaran. 19:24.436 --> 19:33.780 Amma shekaru takwas daga baya, an yi babban, babban, babban ƙoƙari na kawar da wannan ilimi. 19:33.780 --> 19:39.956 An goge dukkan bayanan shaidun; an cire su daga cikin shari'ar. 19:39.956 --> 19:46.503 Mutane 30 da ke da wasu irin hujjoji game da babbar cibiyar sun mutu. 19:46.503 --> 19:50.563 An ɓoye abubuwa da dama masu muhimmanci daga shari'ar. 19:50.563 --> 19:57.082 An ƙirƙiri sabon fayil don wakiltar wani daban lamari. 19:57.082 --> 20:03.903 Lokacin da shari'ar ta fara a shekarar 2004, an gurfanar da Marc Dutroux kadai. 20:03.903 --> 20:09.876 Sannan kuma akwai wani mutum wanda yake mafi kusa, amma ya ɗan fi girma a cikin cibiyar sadarwa. 20:09.876 --> 20:17.316 Wannan shi ne Michel Nihoul. Na rubuta game da Michel Nihoul dalla-dalla a cikin tarihin rayuwata. 20:17.316 --> 20:23.180 Saboda ya fara ne lokacin da nake can. Na kasance a can daga 1969 zuwa 1974. 20:23.180 --> 20:32.783 Na yi nazari sosai kan Michel Nihoul. Shi wani irin mai biyayya ne, mai tsaka-tsaki a komai. A ƙarshe, ya bar harkar. 20:32.783 --> 20:37.740 Kuma a zahiri an yanke wa Marc Dutroux hukuncin daurin rai da rai. 20:37.740 --> 20:41.170 A wani lokaci, har ma ya tsere daga gidan yari. 20:41.170 --> 20:45.965 Yanzu suna ƙoƙarin kama shi su kuma 'yantar da shi. Gaskiya abin mamaki ne. 20:45.965 --> 20:49.320 Yana kama da Masu bautar Shaydan da ke cewa: Za mu iya yin hakan. Za mu iya cin nasara. 20:49.320 --> 20:53.323 Kuma... (an katse) Gareth: Eh, kusan kamar yin tsokana ne. 20:53.323 --> 20:59.340 Anneke: Daidai. Yin tsokana! Ina ganin babban biki ne ga masu bautar shaiɗan su yi tsokana ga wadanda suka zalunta. 20:59.340 --> 21:03.817 Yin tsangwama ga kowa da... An kuma yi wa wadanda abin ya rutsa da su tsangwama da yin dariya, haka nan ga 21:03.817 --> 21:06.580 wadanda suka tsira. Kuma tabbas, hakan na ci gaba har zuwa yau. 21:06.580 --> 21:15.490 Gareth: Tabbas. Wata hanya ce da suke amfani da ita don ƙara maka iko fiye da kima kuma su sa ka ji ba ka da ikon yin komai. 21:15.490 --> 21:22.620 Um... Saboda ka rubuta game da abubuwan da ka fuskanta, kana magana game da kwarewarka... Shin mutane da suka sami irin 21:22.620 --> 21:31.270 waɗannan abubuwan a wasu ƙasashe, cibiyoyin sadarwa, ko misali a Birtaniya ko Jamus ko wasu wurare suna tuntuɓar ka? 21:31.270 --> 21:36.043 Anneke: Eh, na gode. Wannan shi ne ainihin abin da nake yi duk rana. 21:36.043 --> 21:44.136 Ina aiki tare da sauran masu tsira. A shekarar 2016, labarina ya bazu kamar wutar daji a intanet. 21:44.136 --> 21:51.883 Tun daga 2013 nake cikin idon jama'a. Kuma mutane da yawa da suka tsira sun tuntube ni. 21:51.883 --> 21:58.263 Ina aiki tare da su. Na sami warkewa fiye da shekaru 30, wanda tabbas har yanzu yana ci gaba har zuwa yau. 21:58.263 --> 22:06.432 Amma saboda yanayi da yadda na samu damar mayar da hankali sosai kan warkewa, na raba hakan. 22:06.432 --> 22:12.296 Ko da yake haka ne, ni ma ina magana da mutane a duk faɗin duniya. A gaskiya, yawanci ƙasashen Yamma ne. 22:12.296 --> 22:18.895 Ina aiki sosai da mutane daga Ingila da ƙasashen Commonwealth; kuma, tabbas, daga Turai, 22:18.895 --> 22:23.403 kusan duk Yammacin Turai, da kuma daga Amurka. 22:23.403 --> 22:28.246 Wannan cibiyar sadarwa tana da kamanceceniya a ko'ina. 22:33.096 --> 22:38.436 Akwai ƙananan bambance-bambance tsakanin yara da suka fito daga iyalai na soja. 22:38.436 --> 22:46.970 Amma sarrafa wayewar kai iri ɗaya ne a ko'ina. Horon sarrafa wayewar kai iri ɗaya ne a ko'ina. 22:46.970 --> 22:50.750 Manufar kowanne yaro tana bambanta gwargwadon matsayinsa. 22:50.750 --> 22:58.649 Hakan ya danganta da iyalansu. Amma akwai manyan kamanceceniya a yadda cibiyar sadarwar ke aiki. 22:58.649 --> 23:05.136 Na koyi cewa ƙananan cibiyoyin sadarwa, kamar na Belgium, suna haɗa juna. 23:05.136 --> 23:10.890 Ta hanyar kungiyoyin asiri ko duk wani abu da ke cikin birninsu, suna da wasu mutane masu iko da za su iya ci gaba da 23:10.890 --> 23:14.799 kula da iko ko hana gudanar da bincike idan ya zama dole. 23:14.799 --> 23:22.909 Akwai alkalin kotu, akwai lauya, akwai wani mutum... shugaban 'yan sanda ko wani abu makamancin haka. 23:22.909 --> 23:31.356 Akwai likitoci. Kuma sukan yi hulɗa da mutanen da suka fi ƙarfi a duniya ta hanyar 'ya'yansu. 23:33.169 --> 23:40.700 Don haka suna kare matsayinsu ko martabarsu, ko kuma suna hawa matakai, duk abin da suke so, a gaskiya! 23:42.750 --> 23:47.662 Duk abin da suke burin cimmawa, duk abin da burinsu ne. 23:47.662 --> 23:52.851 Tabbas za ka iya cimma wani abu idan ka kasance cikin wannan cibiyar sadarwa ta duniya baki ɗaya. Kuma 23:52.851 --> 23:56.570 hakan na faruwa ne a kan rashin jin daɗin yara da yawa. 23:58.756 --> 24:06.930 Gareth: Na fahimci kuna shirin gudanar da bita mai suna 'Shifting the Power'. Za ku iya gaya mana kaɗan game da shi? 24:06.930 --> 24:11.656 Anneke: Eh, na gode. Shi ne abin da ke rubuce a shafina na yanar gizo. 24:11.656 --> 24:18.876 Na yi aiki a gidajen yari na New York na tsawon shekaru goma. 24:18.876 --> 24:25.356 Na kafa wata ƙungiya marar riba don kawo yoga cikin gidajen yari. 24:25.356 --> 24:31.424 Kuma tun daga farko na fara koyar da yoga. Wannan a cikin shekarun 2000 ne. 24:31.424 --> 24:39.870 Na dade ina amfani da yoga a matsayin hanyar warkarwa, amma na ga yana da matukar wahala a aiwatar saboda yadda aka koyar da shi. 24:39.870 --> 24:46.431 Shi ya sa kullum nake tunanin: idan kana son zama mai ba da sabis, malami ko masanin ba da shawara, akwai 24:46.431 --> 24:50.703 wata hanya ta mu'amala da mutane wadda ba ta da amfani. 24:50.703 --> 24:59.383 Kuma na taɓa fuskantar irin wannan hali marar amfani sau da yawa, ko daga masu ba da shawara, malamai na yoga ko wasu. 25:02.990 --> 25:07.430 Don haka na wuce cikin waɗannan shirye-shirye a gidan yari. 25:07.430 --> 25:15.427 Na dade ina aiki wajen neman wata hanya da za ta ba ni damar kasancewa a zahiri, a matakin kwance. Domin 25:15.427 --> 25:20.310 an gayyace mu duka mu shiga cikin wannan tsarin iko. 25:20.310 --> 25:27.130 Don haka ana ƙarfafa mu duka mu sami digiri sannan mu ɗauki rawar da ta dace da mu. 25:27.130 --> 25:33.896 Kuma idan muna buƙatar wannan matsayi da daraja, za mu iya ɓoye rauninmu na ciki mu ɗaga 25:33.896 --> 25:39.123 kanmu sama da mutanen da muke aiki tare da su. 25:39.123 --> 25:42.230 Kuma, tabbas, da yawa daga cikin masu ba da magani suna yin haka. 25:42.230 --> 25:48.883 A cewar kwarewata, duk yadda ka ƙware, haka wannan ke faruwa. 25:48.883 --> 25:55.278 Don haka, hakika ya rataya ne a kan kowane mai ba da sabis ya duba kansa, ya nazarci ilimin 25:55.278 --> 26:01.443 halayyar yadda yake shiga tsarin iko ba tare da sani ba. 26:01.443 --> 26:05.766 Wa kake mika ikonka ga shi, kuma wa kake kallon ƙasa? 26:05.766 --> 26:13.049 Kuma idan za ka iya ɗauka cewa lallai maganar rauni na zuciya da ba a warware ba ce; cewa idan ka kalle wani sama ka mika masa 26:13.049 --> 26:18.944 ikonka, kana ɗorawa wani a kan ginshiƙi, to kana kalle wani babban mutum mai iko daga cikin yarintarka 26:18.944 --> 26:22.623 wanda kake da matsaloli da ba a warware ba da shi. 26:22.623 --> 26:29.003 Kuma idan ka kalle mutum daga sama ka yi masa hukunci, kana nuna masa ra'ayi mara kyau. 26:29.003 --> 26:34.683 Kuma hakan yana da alaƙa da wasu bangarori na kanka da ba ka yarda da su da gaske ba tukuna. 26:34.683 --> 26:44.896 Don haka wannan ne ainihin sharadi kuma cikakken samfurin. Wannan bita na kan layi ne na makonni 10 ga kowanne aji. 26:44.896 --> 26:52.003 Kuma ina ganin... Na yi shi. Na yi yawo a duk faɗin duniya kuma na koyar da wasu masu ba da 26:52.003 --> 26:57.703 magani waɗanda suka dogara ƙwarai da wannan bayanin. 26:57.703 --> 27:04.790 Wannan yana zurfafa cikin yanayin mu'amala da yadda suke da alaƙa da raɗaɗin zuciya idan ka tambayi wannan tambayar. 27:06.983 --> 27:12.351 Karshe Gareth: Na gode ƙwarai. Na gode ƙwarai da zuwanku ganinmu! Ya kasance abin ban mamaki yin 27:12.351 --> 27:15.776 magana da ku, ko da yake batun yana da muni sosai. 27:15.776 --> 27:21.303 Ka yi magana da kai game da shi... Ka fallasa shi kuma ka taimaki wasu mutane da ke cikin irin wannan hali. 27:21.303 --> 27:25.736 Har yanzu yana sa ni jin ƙarfafawa ta wata hanya. Ka san abin da nake nufi? 27:25.736 --> 27:32.511 Ina fatan mutanen gida ba sa tunanin ina magana banza, amma har yanzu yana da faranta rai yin magana da kai saboda 27:32.511 --> 27:36.483 kai... Ka sha wahala sosai, amma yanzu kana juyawa al'amura. 27:36.483 --> 27:43.896 Kamar yadda ka ce game da bita ɗinka, kana canza iko, kuma hakan abin ban mamaki ne! 27:43.896 --> 27:45.090 Anneke: Eh, na gode.