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Ndakhulela eBelgium ndaza ndathengiselwa
kwintlangano yababulali nabatyholwa ngokuhlukumeza abantwana

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ngokwesondo malunga nomhla wam wokuzalwa wesithandathu.

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Ndandisetyenziswa kule nethiwekhi
iminyaka emihlanu enesiqingatha.

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Amadoda amadala awayengamalungu eli qela
likhethekileyo ayekhona ngenxa yezizathu ezahlukeneyo,

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kodwa kwakukho utywala oluninzi neziyobisi ezininzi.

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Kwaye abantwana yayiyimpahla, eyona mpahla ixabiseke
kakhulu, yaye babesetyenziswa kakhulu ngenjongo yezesondo.

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Kodwa kwakukho namalungu ambalwa esidima awayelilungu
lale klabhu kwaye wayekonwabela ukubulala abantwana.

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Kwaza ke kwaba lithuba lam. Ndineminyaka
elishumi elinanye ubudala, ndandiza kubulawa.

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Ndanyanyiswa kuba umntu owayendikhusele okwethutyana
waza wandihlukumeza kakubi kakhulu, wayediniwe ngam.

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Ndandibotshelelwe etafileni yokuxhela.

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Yayimnyama ligazi labo bonke abantwana ababephambi kwam.

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Bendilapho iiyure ezininzi.

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Umzimba wam ugcwele izibazi. Kwaye
isibazi ngasinye siyandikhumbuza ngelo xesha.

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Bendicinga ukuba ndiza kubulawa, njengabo bonke
abantwana abangazange bathandwe ngokwaneleyo ukuze baphile.

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Nam ndingalibaleka. Kwaye andizange ndilungele ukufa.

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Umntu othile kule nethiwekhi
wandithanda ngokwaneleyo ukuba andisindise.

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Ukunyanyekiswa kwathatha iiyure ezimbalwa. Ndandikolu
lwakhiwo lwamabanga iminyaka emihlanu enesiqingatha.

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Ngelo xesha, ndadlwengulwa izihlandlo ezininzi kakhulu.

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Andinazibazi zokubonisa ukuba ndigqithwe kangaphi.

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Kodwa ndakubala. Kwakusoloko kuseempelaveki, ubusuku bonke.

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Kwaye ke ndabala ukuba ndandisetyenziswa
ngokwesondo, ndisetyenziswe ngokwenene,

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kangangeeyure ezimalunga nezintandathu ngeveki.

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Iiyure ezili-1,716 zokudlwengulwa phambi kokuba
ndide ndifezekise iminyaka elishumi elinesibini.

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Ndakhulela ndinemiqathango endayinikwa ngulowo wandisindisa.

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Loo nto yandigcina kude nobubhanxa neziyobisi yaza yandikhupha
kweli lizwe, eBelgium, apho zonke ezo zinto zenzeka khona.

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Nangona ndandingenasibazi, ndisengumntu omdala oselula
ndandigxile kakhulu ekubeni yinto yokwanelisa

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inkanuko, kangangokuba ndanditsala amadoda,
kwaye inxalenye yam yayidinga loo nto ukuze iphile.

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Kuba yiyo kuphela indlela ebendiyazi yokuziva ndizele.

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Kwaye ndisengumfazi oselula, ndaphathwa
kakubi kakhulu ndaza ndasetyenziswa kakhulu.

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Kanti ke wonke umntu wakhawuleza ukundityhola. Ngenxa
yokuba ndandiziphatha ngokwesondo ngokukhululekileyo.

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Uxabiso oluphantsi, njengoko kuye kwatshiwo,
isifebe. Zonke ezi zinto, zonke ezi zigama

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zokuthuka, zandigweba ngokukhawuleza kangaka.

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Kwaye ke, njengoko ndandiphilile, ndaqonda ukuba
hayi, kwakufuneka ndiphume kule meko

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ndandibambekile kuyo, apho ndandifuna ingqwalasela yezesondo.

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Kufuneka ndizikhulule koku kwaye ndingasavumeli ukuba
ndiphathwe njengento. Ndifuna ukuba ngumfazi okhululekileyo.

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Kwaye ke, ishumi leminyaka emva kweshumi,
ndasebenza ekuzweleni yonke intlungu yento eyayenziwe kum,

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yonke inkohliso yabazali bam, yokuthengiswa kwam.

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Abantwana ngawona amalungu asemngciphekweni omkhulu
kuluntu lwethu. Ngoko ke, masenze uluntu apho abantwana

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bakhuselekileyo, apho abantwana benoluntu olubangqongileyo.

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Wonke umntwana ufanelwe kukhuseleko. Akukho
mntwana ufanele ukufumana oko ndadlula kuko, noko

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kudlula kuko izigidi zabantwana yonke imihla.

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Kodwa ngelishwa, loo nto iyinxalenye yenkqubo ekhoyo ngoku.

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Njengabafazi, sinamandla amakhulu okwenene ukuvelana
nayo yonke into ekufuneka siyinyamezele njengabafazi.

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Oko kusinika amandla angaphezulu kunaye nabani na. Yonke intlungu
esemva kokungabi namandla nokuthotywa isidima, ukuziva ngokwenene

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oko kwenziwa kum, nokuqonda ngokwenene ukuba ibingeyondim.

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Ukuba ndiziva kamnandi ekupheleni kosuku.

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Ndandiyingane. Ndenziwa ixhoba. Yayingesosiphoso sam.

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Ungafumana ulwazi oluthe vetshe
ngo-Anneke Lucas kudliwano-ndlebe olulandelayo.

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Intshayelelo Gareth: Undwendwe lwethu olulandelayo lusijoyina
lusuka eNew York. U-Anneke Lucas wathengiswa ngunina

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njengokhoboka lwesondo lwabantwana kuthungelwano
lwabantu abasebenzisa abantwana ngokwesondo eBelgium.

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UAnneke wayedlwengulwa yonke imihla
ngamadoda amadala de waba neminyaka eli-11 ubudala.

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Uninzi lwabo babengabopolitiki abaziwayo baseBelgium.
Ekwiminyaka eli-11 ubudala, kwafunyaniswa ukuba

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akasayincedi le nethiwekhi kwaye wahlukunyezwa phantse wafa.

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Wahlangulwa ekufeni yindoda eyathethathethana
noosopolitiki ababejongene nale nethiwekhi.

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Udliwano-ndlebe Gareth: Anneke, enkosi kakhulu
ngokuthetha nathi. Into yokuqala

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eyandichukumisa ngokwenene yayikukuba wathengiswa ngunina.

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Njengoyise, bendisokola ukubona
injongo yako. Ujongana njani naloo nto?

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Anneke: Yinkqubo yobomi bonke. Kuba, ewe,
umama wam wayengumntu obekufutshane nam.

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Ndicinga ukuba sonke singabakhathaleli abaphambili
kuqala nokuphela. Wayekodwa naye, kwaye wayenam.

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Kwaye ke – uyazi, umama wam wayengaphilanga;
ungatsho ukuthi wayenesifo sengqondo, esingazange sihlolwe.

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Ndingamchaza njengomntu ongenantliziyo;
ngendlela maxa wambi eyenzeka kubafazi.

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Ngenxa yoko, wayethobeka kakhulu kubo bonke amadoda.

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Wayeziphethe okwentombazana eneminyaka
emihlanu ubudala, ethandeka ngokungaqhelekanga,

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kwaye enomtsalane wobulili – kuyo yonke indoda.

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Wazinikela ngokulula kakhulu.
Ndicinga ukuba bendiyimbonakaliso yakhe.

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Kwaye kwakunzima kakhulu ukuba nxamnye nabo kuba
kwakungekho ndawo yam. Yayiyinto nje yokuzibona kum.

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Ndisithi ndandiyintombazana encinci ebuthathaka,
engabonakaliyo, nengahlekiyo, engumncedisi wakhe

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omncinci, yaye ke ndandilungile, okanye ndandikhohlakele.

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Kodwa umbuzo wokwenene ozibuza wona ngulo,
"Ingaba umntu angenza into enje njani? Abantu abadala

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abakolu lwelo banokwenza njani oku kubantwana?"

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Uninzi lwabo babengabazali. Kwaye uninzi lwabo, ndiqinisekile,
babengabazali ababethetha isidima nabantwana babo kananjalo.

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Kaloku, umba wawukuba umama wam wayengakhulanga
ngokweemvakalelo ukusukela kwiminyaka emalunga

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nesihlanu ubudala. Kwakungelo xesha umama wakhe waswelekayo.

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Wayevela kwindawo enenkathazo enzulu, endicinga
ukuba yenzeka eBelgium ngo-1939, kwisixeko

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esasisoloko sibhijiswa ngeebhombu ngexesha lemfazwe.

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Utata wakhe wayengumkhumbi wemfazwe kwinkampu yokuxinzelela.

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Uyazi, ndicinga ukuba kwakunzima kakhulu ngenxa
yokusweleka kukamama wakhe kunye nokusweleka kwabanye kusapho.

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Emva kwemfazwe, kwakukho izixhobo ezimbalwa zokunceda abantu
baphile kwintlungu yengqondo. Ngoko ke wayedluliselwa-dluliselwa

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emaphandleni aseBelgium, wayedluliselwa ngokupheleleyo. Mhlawumbi
abantu bacinga ukuba wayenobufanasini kancinci kuba

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yayiluluntu olungamaKatolika kakhulu, kodwa
wayedluliselwa. Kwaye mna ndandisisisulu sakhe esiphambili.

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Gareth: Kunzima kakhulu ukuqonda le ngqondo yokuthengisa
umntwana wakho. Kodwa kananjalo nabantu abanako ukwenza loo nto.

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Kunzima kakhulu ukuyiqonda yonke le nto.
Ukuba abantu bayakwazi ukwenza into embi kangaka.

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Wawuneminyaka emingaphi xa waqonda ubukhulu bobubi?

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Kuba yinto umntwana angasoze, soze kufuneke
ajongane nayo, nokuba yincinci kangakanani.

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Anneke: Kunjalo! Ke, le nethiwekhi inobungozi
kakhulu. Kwaye mna – njengoko utshilo kwintshayelelo –

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ndandikwenethiwekhi yaseBelgium eyayisebenza njenge-mafia.

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Kodwa yayikhokelwa nguMphathiswa wezoKhuselo wangelo xesha.

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Wayengusopolitiki owaba nekhondo elikhawulezayo
neliphakamileyo. WayenguNkulumbuso waseBelgium kabini:

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uPaul Vanden Boeynants. Ndamkhankanya encwadini yam.

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Yayinxulumene ngokwenene...
yayiyinethiwekhi yasekuhlaleni; inethiwekhi yaseBelgium.

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Njengoko nisazi, iBelgium lilizwe
elincinci. Yayiyinethiwekhi encinci.

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Kodwa ngobuSathana, babenxulumene nezinye
izithunywa zikaSathana ezikumgangatho ophezulu

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kwaye bahlala besebenzisa abantwana njengempahla.

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Ndaxhatshazwa ukusukela kwiminyaka
emithandathu ubudala, xa ndathengiswa okokuqala.

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Ndibe semva, kuba ngesiqhelo abantwana
abasemindenini yamaSatanista bahlukunyezwa kwangoko kakhulu.

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Ngoko ke ndafakwa kwinethiwekhi ndineminyaka
emithandathu ubudala, ndaza ndaxhatshazwa eBelgium.

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Nokuba ngamanye amakhosi awayenogonyamelo olugqithisileyo
nenzondelelo, yaye engathandabuzi nokubulala abantwana.

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Ngoko ke, akukho sizathu sokuba ndisindile.

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Kwaye ke ndineminyaka elithoba ubudala...
kwezo minyaka yam yokuqala, ndandihlala

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ndixhatshazwa ngamadoda awayefundiselwe le nkqubo.

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Ngokwenene yayiyinkqubo yokusikiliza. Apho
baqala khona ukudityaniswa nentombazana encinci

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eyayineminyaka emalunga ne-14 okanye i-15 ubudala.

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Kusenokwenzeka ukuba baxelelwe ukuba yayindala. Loo nto
yarekhodwa kwitheyiphu. Kulapho ke kwaqala khona ukucekiswa.

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Kwaye ke baza kum. Uneminyaka emithandathu
okanye esixhenxe ubudala, akukho

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mathandabuzo ukuba usengumntwana omncinci kakhulu.

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Nabani na okhoyo apho oqhathayo umntwana
omncinci ngolo hlobo – nokuba bendimcelile.

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Ndifundiswe ukuba mandibenze bazive bekhululekile.

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Kodwa ke, akukho mathandabuzo
okuba lulwaphulo-mthetho olwenziweyo.

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Kodwa bekusoloko kukho amadoda ayesithi,
"Andizukuyenza loo nto. Andinakuyenza loo nto."

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Kodwa ngelo xesha, andizange ndiqonde ukuba aba bantu babesele
benyanzelwe kangakanani na, kwaye, njengoko

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besitsho, kuthatha umntu omnye ozimisele ukwenza nantoni
na, njengoko besitsho. Yiloo nto basoloko beyitsho.

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Bendisoloko ndiva ngathi abantu abandenzakalisa
nabo baye benzakaliswa besengabantwana, kwaye

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babesiphinda esi senzo besebenzisa amandla abo.

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Ngale ndlela, boyisa iimvakalelo zabo zokungabi namandla
nokungabi nathemba, ababezifumene ngenxa yokuxhatshazwa kwabo.

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Ngale ntshukumo ingcolileyo kakhulu, apho bazive bebanamandla.
Kwaye, ewe, uninzi lwabasindileyo ababi ngabaphuli-mthetho.

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Kodwa le ndlela ilungiselelwe ngendlela evumela okanye ikhuthaza
abantu abakwazileyo ukuba babe ngabaphuli-mthetho ukuba babelane

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ngale mfihlelo inkulu kakhulu yobudlelwane bezesondo nabantwana.

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Okokuqala, ukuze babe bonke epokothweni yakho. Kwaye oko
kuqhubeka... Gareth: Ngaba usababona abanye babantu

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abakuxhaphazileyo kumabonakude okanye kumaphephandaba aseBelgium?

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Anneke: Jonga. Ayizange iphelele eBelgium
kuphela. Ndaba lixhoba lokurhweba ngabantu

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eUnited States, eFrance, eSwitzerland, nase-Italy.

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Uyazi, ndineminyaka eyi-9 ubudala, ungatsho
ukuba ndanikwa umntu owayesebenza

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kwinethiwekhi yamazwe ngamazwe owandisa eUnited States.

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Lo yayingumntu owaziwa kakhulu kwihlabathi jikelele.
Ngelo xesha, ndafakwa phantsi kolawulo lwengqondo.

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Ndachitha unyaka ndilapho, endandilubiza ngokuba 'yizihlalo
zamandla': ibiyindibano yabantu

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abanamandla kakhulu, abangoSathana, kuquka
oosaziwayo, oosopolitiki, neentsapho zasebukhosini.

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Kwaye ke uyababona aba bantu, ewe ndisababona – nangona
uninzi lwabantu abandenzakalisa ngoku sele beswelekile

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– kuba babebalasele kakhulu. Bakho kuyo yonke indawo.

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Gareth: Loo nto kumele ukuba iyinto engaqhelekanga kuwe.
Ukubona loo nto, usazi ukuba ngubani kanye kanye aba bantu.

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Kuvakala njani ukubabona? Mhlawumbi ngumbuzo
obuyatha, kodwa ndingakucingela 'intlitho'.

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Anneke: Ewe! Indenza ndifune ukubathiya
amagama. Into endingakwaziyo ukuyenza.

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Kucace gca kum: ukuba bendinokuyenza loo nto,
bendingasayi kuba ndiphila. Usapho lwam

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beluya kubulawa. Lowo ngumyalezo endiwufumeneyo.

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Ndifumanise ukuba usapho lomntu oyintloko
ondenzakalise lona, lwenza eyalo inkonzo yezimfihlo.

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Kubonakala ngathi sendikhe ndanamava oku kwinqanaba elithile.

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Bonke aba ngabantu abaye bavela
ebomini bam baza baqeqeshelwa ngale ndlela.

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Ndamkelwa njengomhloli. Ngoko ke ndandikwazi ukuyibona.

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Kodwa umyalezo wawucace gca; ngendlela yabo,
bandazisa ukuba isoyikiso besisoloko

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sisithi: "Ukuba ukhankanye igama lalo mntu, uyafa."

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba abasindileyo abaninzi
abanjengam bangazimisela ukunikela ngobomi

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babo ngenxa yesi sizathu, ukuba bekufanelekile.

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Kodwa kufuneka usoloko ulinganisa phakathi koko unokukutyhila
noko ungenakukutyhila. Loo nto indicaphukisa kakhulu.

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Kwakhona kundicaphukisa kakhulu indlela abantu
abaninzi abakholelwa ngayo kwibali lokuba aba ngabantu

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abamangalisayo ekufuneka baxhaswe ukuze babonakale.

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Gareth: Ewe kona, ndiyakhumbula; ndisengumntwana
e-United Kingdom. Kwakukho uthungelwano olukhulu

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lwabantu abathanda abantwana olwatyhilwa eBelgium.

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Yenze iindaba eziphambili apha e-UK.

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Ingaba oko kwakunxulumene nethungelwano obukubandakanyekileyo?
Okanye yayikukuba nje abantu besondela kancinci enyanisweni?

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Ingaba masibanike iintshatsheli ezimbalwa
ezingabalulekanga kangako ukuze bazithobe

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kancinci, ngelixa sikhusela amagama amakhulu?

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Anneke: Yiloo nto kanye eyenzekileyo ekugqibeleni. Le
nto ukhankanya yona yaziwa njenge "ityala likaDutroux".

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Ndingathanda ukunibonisa incwadi yam . Kuyo, ndibhala ngetyala
likaDutroux, elinxulumene ngokusondeleyo nebali lobomi bam.

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Ngokwenene yinethiwekhi enye. Kwavela elubala
ngo-1996 xa kwafunyanwa izidumbu zabantwana.

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Abantwana ababini baye bahlangulwa
kwigunjana elingaphantsi komhlaba.

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Umthengisi wabantwana wale nethiwekhi
yaseBelgium wayeqalile ukuthimba abantwana.

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Loo nto ibingaqhelekanga kakhulu; ubanjiwe.

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Abantwana babeswelekele phantsi kweliso lakhe – kuba
uninzi lwabathengisi bezibhinqilezi bangena ngaphakathi

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kwiintsapho, bathathe abantwana baze bababuyisele ekhaya.

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Mna ngokwam bendikhe ndaya esikolweni, ngoko ke kwakulula kakhulu.
Kwakungekho bazali bendifuna. Abazali bam babandakanyekile,

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njengabazali abaninzi babantwana ababesetyenziswa.

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Ityala lika-Dutroux lalijolise ekuphazamiseni
yonke into. UMarc Dutroux wayengumthengisi wabantu.

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Kwaye kwenzeka ntoni ke: kwaba
ngumxhelo omkhulu – kwihlabathi jikelele.

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Bathetha ngale nethiwekhi, abantu kwihlabathi jikelele
bathetha ngayo, kwaye into eyenzekileyo yayingummangaliso.

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Kule... Kuthathe iminyaka esibhozo ukuba ityala liye enkundleni.

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Inani elikhulu labaphilayo liye laza
njengobungqina laza lanika ubungqina.

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Loo nto yaphicothwa, yaphicothwa ngokuphindwe
kabini, ngamapolisa amahle kakhulu, abacuphi.

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Bafumene izinto ezifanayo, izinto ebezi
ngeke zaziwa ngaba basindileyo ukuba bebengakho.

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Ngangingekho eBelgium ngelo xesha. Ngangisazi kancinci
kakhulu ngetyala likaDutroux phambi kokuba ijaji

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yokuqala, umntu wokuqala owayephethe eli tyala, sele irhoxisiwe.

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Ngenxa yokutyalwa kwecala ekutyholwayo, nto leyo
eyabangela imingcelele yabamhlophe ngelo xesha.

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Bonke abemi baseBelgium
babesentlungwini ngenxa yokubulawa kwabantwana.

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Wonke umntu wayenxibe umhlophe
ukugxininisa ukungasoli kwabantwana.

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Kodwa emva kweminyaka esibhozo, kwabakho umzamo
omkhulu kakhulu, kakhulu, wokutshabalalisa olu lwazi.

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Zonke iingxelo zamangqina zicinyiwe; zisusiwe kwityala.

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Abantu abangama-30 ababenobungqina obuthile
malunga nethungelwano elikhulu basweleka.

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Iimeko ezininzi ezibalulekileyo zafihlwa kwityala.

19:50.563 --> 19:57.082
Kwenziwe ifayile entsha ukumela ityala elahlukileyo.

19:57.082 --> 20:03.903
Xa ityala laqala ngo-2004, yayinguMarc Dutroux kuphela.

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Kwaza ke kwabakho omnye umntu owayesondele
kakhulu, kodwa owayephakamile kancinci kule nethiwekhi.

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Lo yayinguMichel Nihoul. Ndabhala ngoMichel
Nihoul ngokweenkcukacha kwiincwadi zam zembali yobomi.

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Kuba kwaqala ndisalapho.
Ndandilapho ukusukela ngo-1969 ukuya ku-1974.

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Ndiwufundile ngokubanzi umba kaMichel
Nihoul. Wayengumlandeli, umntu ophakathi kuyo

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yonke into. Ekugqibeleni, waphuma kwelo tyala.

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Kwaye uMarc Dutroux ngokwenene wagwetyelwa
ukuvalelwa entolongweni ubomi bakhe bonke.

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Ngelinye ixesha, wade wabaleka entolongweni.

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Ngoku bazama ukumbamba bamkhulule. Kuyamangalisa ngokwenene.

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Kufana namaSatanisti athi: Singakwazi ukukwenza. Singaphumelela.

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Kwaye... (uphazanyiswa) Gareth: Ewe, kufana nokugxeka.

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Anneke: Kanye. Ukugculela! Ndicinga ukuba
sisithethe esikhulu kumaSatanisti ukugculela amaxhoba abo.

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Ukugculela wonke umntu o... Namaxhoba nazo
zagculelwa zaza zahlaziswa,

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njengabaphilayo. Kwaye ke, oku kusaqhubeka nanamhlanje.

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Gareth: Ewe kona. Yindlela yokuba bafake
amandla angakumbi kuwe baze benze uzive ungenamdla.

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Mmm... Kuba ubhale ngamava akho, uthetha ngamava akho... Ingaba
ke uqhagamshelwana nabantu abakhe baba namava afanayo

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kwamanye amazwe, kwiinethiwekhi, okanye, umzekelo,
e-United Kingdom okanye eJamani okanye kwezinye iindawo?

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Anneke: Ewe, enkosi. Ngumsebenzi endiwenza yonke imihla.

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Ndisebenza nabanye abasindileyo. Ngo-2016, ibali
lam lasasazeka ngesantya somlilo kwi-intanethi.

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Ndisaziwa luluntu ukusukela ngo-2013. Kwaye ndiye
ndaqhagamshelwana nabanye abasindileyo abaninzi kakhulu.

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Ndiyasebenza nabo. Ndibe namava okuphiliswa ngaphezu
kweminyaka engama-30, nto leyo ke eqhubeka kude kube namhlanje.

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Kodwa ngenxa yeemeko nendlela endaba nethamsanqa
lokugxila ngokwenene ekuphiliseni, ndiyabelana ngaloo nto.

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Nangona kunjalo, ndikwathetha nabantu kwihlabathi
lonke. Enyanisweni, yihlabathi laseNtshona kakhulu.

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Ndisebenza kakhulu nabantu abavela eNgilani
nakwiCommonwealth; kwaye ke nabavela eYurophu, phantse bonke

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baseNtshona Yurophu, kwaye ke nabavela eUnited States.

22:23.403 --> 22:28.246
Le nethiwekhi ifana kuyo yonke indawo.

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Kukho umahluko omncinci phakathi
kwabantwana abavela kwiintsapho zamajoni.

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Kodwa ukulawulwa kwengqondo kufana kuyo yonke indawo.
Uqeqesho lokulawula ingqondo kufana kuyo yonke indawo.

22:46.970 --> 22:50.750
Injongo yomntwana ngamnye iyahluka
ngokuxhomekeke kwisikhundla sakhe.

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Kuxhomekeke kwiintsapho zabo. Kodwa kukho
ukufana okukhulu kwindlela inethiwekhi esebenza ngayo.

22:58.649 --> 23:05.136
Ndifundile ukuba iinethiwekhi
ezincinci, ezifana nale yaseBelgium, ziyadibana.

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Ngemibutho eyimfihlo okanye nantoni na enye ekhoyo
kwisixeko sabo, banabantu abambalwa abanamandla abanokuthi ke

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balondoloze ulawulo okanye baphazamise uphando xa kuyimfuneko.

23:14.799 --> 23:22.909
Kukho umgwebi, kukho ummeli, kukho
umntu... umphathi wamapolisa okanye into enje.

23:22.909 --> 23:31.356
Kukho oogqirha. Baze ke bahlala beqhagamshelana
nabona bantu banamandla ehlabathini ngeentsana zabo.

23:33.169 --> 23:40.700
Ngoko ke bazikhusela izikhundla zabo okanye isidima sabo,
okanye banyuke kwizikhundla, nantoni na abayifunayo, eneneni!

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Nantoni na abayinqwenelayo, nantoni na iinqwelo zabo.

23:47.662 --> 23:52.860
Ngokuqinisekileyo unokufezekisa into xa
uyinxalenye yolu lwakhiwo lwehlabathi jikelele. Kwaye oko

23:52.860 --> 23:56.570
kwenzeka ngenxa yokulahlekelwa ngabantwana abaninzi.

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Gareth: Ndiyaqonda ukuba unendibano yocweyo ezayo ebizwa
ngokuba 'Shifting the Power'. Ungasixelela kancinci ngayo?

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Anneke: Ewe, enkosi. Yiloo nto ebhalwe kwiwebhusayithi yam.

24:11.656 --> 24:18.876
Ndisebenze kwiintolongo zaseNew York iminyaka elishumi.

24:18.876 --> 24:25.356
Ndisungule umbutho ongajonganga kwenza
nzuzo wokuzisa iyoga ezintolongweni.

24:25.356 --> 24:31.424
Kwaye kwasekuqaleni, ndaqalisa ukufundisa
iyoga. Loo nto yayikwiminyaka yoo-2000.

24:31.424 --> 24:36.383
Bendisoloko ndisebenzisa iyoga njengendlela
yokuphilisa, kodwa ndifumene kunzima kakhulu

24:36.383 --> 24:39.870
ukuyisebenzisa ngenxa yendlela ebifundiswa ngayo.

24:39.870 --> 24:45.951
Yiloo nto bendisoloko ndicinga: ukuba ufuna
ukuba ngumhlinzeki, utitshala, okanye

24:45.951 --> 24:50.703
umnyangi, kukho indlela yokuphatha abantu engancedi.

24:50.703 --> 24:55.434
Kwaye ndiye ndadibana kakhulu nesi simo
sengqondo singancedi, nokuba sivela koogqirha

24:55.434 --> 24:59.383
bengqondo, ootitshala beyoga okanye abanye.

25:02.990 --> 25:07.430
Ngoko ke ndazigqiba ezi nkqubo ndisentolongweni.

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Bendisebenzela ukufumana indlela endivumela ukuba ndibe
khona ngokwenene, kwinqanaba elingokomlinganiselo. Kuba

25:15.176 --> 25:20.310
sonke simenywe ukuba sithathe inxaxheba kule nkqubo yamandla.

25:20.310 --> 25:27.130
Ngoko ke sonke sikhuthazwa ukuba sifumane
isidanga size emva koko sithathe indima yethu.

25:27.130 --> 25:33.533
Kwaye ngokwentlawulo yokuba sifuna esi sikhundla
nobume, singakwazi ukufihla ukwenzakala kwethu

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ngokwethu size sizibeke ngaphezu kwabantu esisebenza nabo.

25:39.123 --> 25:42.230
Kwaye, ewe kona, uninzi lwabaphilisi lwenza okufanayo.

25:42.230 --> 25:48.883
Ngokwamava am, okukhona ugxila
kwinto enye, kokukhona oku kusenzeka.

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Ngoko ke, kuxhomekeke kuye wonke umboneleli ukuba
azijonge, aziqonde ngokwasengqondweni indlela abathatha

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inxaxheba ngayo ngokungazi kwabo kulwakhiwo lwamandla.

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Unikezela elubala kubani amandla akho, kwaye ukhathaza bani?

26:05.766 --> 26:13.179
Kwaye ukuba unokucinga ukuba ngokwenene imalunga nomonzakalo
ongasonjululwanga; ukuba xa uhlonipha umntu kwaye unikezela

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ngamandla akho, ubeka umntu phezulu, ngoko ke
ujonge umntu ongunozala osemagunyeni obekho

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ebuntwaneni bakho onemiba eningasonjululwanga naye.

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Kwaye xa ujonga umntu ngentloko phezulu
umgwebe, ubonakalisa imvakalelo embi.

26:29.003 --> 26:34.683
Kwaye oko kunento yokwenza namanye
amacandelo akho ongekawamkeli ngokwenene.

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Ngoko ke, yiyo ngokwenene imfuneko
yangaphambili kunye nemodeli epheleleyo. Le workshop

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yeyo-intanethi yeeveki ezili-10 kulo lonke ibanga.

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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yi... Sendiyenzile. Ndiye
ndahamba kwihlabathi jikelele ndaza ndafundisa

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iitherapisti ezithile ezixhomekeke kakhulu kule nkcazelo.

26:57.703 --> 27:04.790
Ukuba oku kungena nzulu kwiindlela zokusebenzisana kunye
nendlela ezinxulumene ngayo nomonzakalo xa ubuzayo lo mbuzo.

27:06.983 --> 27:12.077
Isiphelo Gareth: Enkosi kakhulu. Enkosi kakhulu
ngokuba uze kusibona! Bekumnandi kakhulu

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ukuthetha nawe, nangona umxholo ungowoyikeka kangaka.

27:15.776 --> 27:21.303
Ukuthetha nawe ngayo... Uyayityhila kwaye
unceda nabanye abantu abakwimeko efanayo.

27:21.303 --> 27:25.736
Kusandikhuthaza ngandlel' ithile. Uyaqonda into endiyithethayo?

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Ndiyathemba abantu ekhaya abacingi ukuba ndithetha
ububhanxa, kodwa kusandikhuthaza ukuthetha nawe kuba wena... Uye

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wadlula kwizinto ezimbi kangaka, kodwa uyazilungisa izinto.

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Njengoko usitsho malunga neworkshop yakho,
uyayitshintsha amandla, kwaye oko kuyamangalisa!

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Anneke: Ewe, enkosi.