WEBVTT 00:00.020 --> 00:06.784 Ranar biyar ta shari'ar a ranar 12 ga Nuwamba 2024 ta bayyana wasu abubuwan mamaki. 00:06.784 --> 00:13.620 An mamaye ranar da binciken wani babban jami'in kudi daga Ofishin Kudi na Yanki a Karlsruhe. 00:13.620 --> 00:19.552 Ya bayyana abin da ya sa ya ɗauki mataki a shari'ar Ballweg a shekarar 2021. 00:19.552 --> 00:24.867 A cewar bayanan da ya bayar, Michael Ballweg bai taɓa fuskantar wani lamari da hukumomin haraji ba har zuwa 00:24.867 --> 00:28.720 lokacin, mutum ne mai gaskiya kuma ba a lura da shi. 00:28.720 --> 00:33.896 Amma ayyukan Ballweg da suka shafi zanga-zangar neman hakkoki na asali, zaman lafiya, 'yanci da adalci sun 00:33.896 --> 00:37.280 kwatsam sa manyan kafofin watsa labarai su ɗauki mataki. 00:37.280 --> 00:44.352 A cewar jami'in haraji, ya samu rahotanni daga waɗannan kafofin watsa labarai game da yiwuwar laifi. 00:44.352 --> 00:52.767 Jami'in gwamnati da abokinsa sai suka fara bincike kansu, suka kuma ci karo da, tsakanin sauran abubuwa, shirin barkwanci 00:52.767 --> 00:56.606 na Jan Böhmermann a ZDF: "Dan Kasuwar Corona na Shekara". 00:56.606 --> 01:03.427 Wannan shirin da aka saba gani ya yi tsangwama ga duk motsin neman gaskiya da ayyukan kare muhimman haƙƙoƙi, 01:03.427 --> 01:07.780 yana kiran su "tsarin kasuwanci" na neman amfanin kai. 01:07.780 --> 01:15.455 Shafin yanar gizon Belltower na Gidauniyar Amadeu Antonio ya kammala: "Querdenken" da ƙungiyar da ke kewaye da Michael Ballweg 01:15.455 --> 01:21.851 suna ƙoƙarin zana hoton masu fafutuka marasa son kai waɗanda ke yin duk mai yiwuwa don yakar barazanar da 01:21.851 --> 01:25.720 ake zargin tana barazana ga 'yanci da dimokuradiyya. 01:25.720 --> 01:29.940 Amma masanan makirci suna samun kudi, kuma watakila suna samun kudi mai yawa. 01:29.940 --> 01:34.746 Tsoro, saurin yarda da jahilci a bayyane suna da matukar amfani wajen sayar da rigunan 01:34.746 --> 01:39.232 T-shirt, hoodies da tafiye-tafiye na motar coach. 01:39.232 --> 01:46.392 Waɗannan da sauran murya iri ɗaya daga cikin manyan ra'ayoyi da kuma wani da ya fice daga cikin motsin tunani na gefe sun 01:46.392 --> 01:50.480 yi tasiri mai ɗorewa kan fahimtar jami'in haraji da ayyukansa. 01:50.480 --> 01:52.740 Watakila ba shi kadai ba. 01:52.740 --> 01:58.886 Ƙarin bayani game da wannan a zagayen tattaunawa na gaba: 01:58.886 --> 02:01.152 Mai tsara tattaunawa: Michael, tambaya ta farko gare ka. 02:01.152 --> 02:11.296 Wane tsarin kasuwanci ne motsin tunani na gefe ya tarwatsa ta hanyar zanga-zangensa da ayyukansa? 02:11.296 --> 02:16.160 Michael Ballweg: Eh, ina ganin akwai da yawa da suka amfana daga annoba. 02:16.160 --> 02:18.620 Mu fara ne tun daga matakin farko. 02:18.620 --> 02:22.208 Tabbas, masu gudanar da cibiyoyin jarrabawa ne ke ƙasa ƙwarai. 02:22.208 --> 02:29.853 Sannan a sama cikin jerin akwai masana'antar magunguna, kamfanonin dijital, haɗakar harkokin kuɗi na dijital, 02:29.853 --> 02:33.739 kuma akwai 'yan siyasa da dama da suka wawushe kansu. 02:33.739 --> 02:43.006 Ina ganin mun rufe fannoni da dama, inda muka haskaka wa jama'a ta hanyar nuninmu. 02:43.006 --> 02:50.699 Matakai da ba a yarda da su ba, amma tabbas har ma ayyukan kudi da tallace-tallace da ya kamata su faru a cikin 02:50.699 --> 02:54.656 tsarin iyakokin hakkin asali ko a cikin tsarin kiwon lafiya. 02:54.656 --> 03:06.360 Zargin shi ne cewa an ce na yi zambar kudi ko na yi rashin da'a dangane da harkokin haraji. 03:06.360 --> 03:12.840 Amma jiya, shaida daga Ofishin Kudi na Yanki ta tilasta amincewa cewa ni kaɗai ne na haɓaka 03:12.840 --> 03:16.680 samfurin kasuwanci mai nasara tare da nunin aiki. 03:16.680 --> 03:21.953 Sai ya yi murmushi kaɗan, sannan ya ja baya. 03:21.953 --> 03:26.520 Kuma ya ce cewa watakila ba zai rubuta saƙon haka ba a yau. 03:28.416 --> 03:36.799 Mai tsara tattaunawa: Wa ke amfana daga manyan kafofin yada labarai namu idan suka kalli wannan batu haka kuma suka 03:36.799 --> 03:47.640 ruwaito shi a irin wannan salo? Yada tsoro a lokacin annobar coronavirus da kuma tallafawa irin wannan tsarin kasuwanci? 03:47.640 --> 03:53.814 Michael Ballweg: Eh, mun sani a yau, kuma akwai bayanan da suka dace. A intanet (za ka iya gani), watakila ma a 03:53.814 --> 04:00.160 Kla.TV, yadda kamfanonin kafofin watsa labarai ke da alaƙa da manyan gidauniyoyi, da yadda ake ba su kuɗi a can. 04:00.160 --> 04:05.000 An san cewa Bill Gates ma ya ba Der Spiegel kuɗi mai yawa, misali. 04:05.000 --> 04:12.766 A yau na ga rahoto cewa DIE ZEIT ta karɓi euro miliyan 36 daga gwamnatin tarayya a cikin shekaru uku da suka gabata. 04:12.766 --> 04:16.420 Wannan yana nufin cewa ba su da 'yancin kansu a matsayin kafofin watsa labarai. 04:16.420 --> 04:23.262 Amma dole ne in ce cewa annobar tabbas tana aiki a matsayin mai hanzarta, mai ninka, a gare mu da kuma ga kafofin 04:23.262 --> 04:29.680 watsa labarai na gama gari na madadin, wato ku. Yanzu akwai tsarin biyu da aka sanya su fafata da juna. 04:29.680 --> 04:37.160 Tsofaffin tsarin, waɗanda ke dogaro sosai da tsangwama, da sabbin tsarin, waɗanda suka dogara ne akan ka'idar 'yanci. 04:37.160 --> 04:42.320 Kuma na yi imani cewa mutane da yawa suna shiga sabbin tsarin. 04:42.320 --> 04:47.360 Shi ya sa danniya ma tana ƙarfafa mutane su canza. 04:47.360 --> 04:51.820 Don haka, ya kamata mu yi godiya cewa muna iya kasancewa tare da shaida duk wannan tsari. 04:51.820 --> 04:59.951 Kuma ban yi fushi da hakan ba kwata-kwata, amma manyan kafofin watsa labarai koyaushe suna raina mu, suna cewa duk masu 04:59.951 --> 05:08.352 tsarin makirci ne, misali a zanga-zangar Cannstatter Wasen, kuma bana son in maimaita duk abin da aka faɗa a can. 05:08.352 --> 05:14.432 Amma hakan ya sa mutane suka hau motocinsu suna cewa, yanzu tabbas zan je zanga-zanga. 05:14.432 --> 05:16.320 Mu gani abin da zai faru a cikin makonni kaɗan masu zuwa. 05:16.320 --> 05:20.280 Mai tsara tattaunawa: Don haka annobar – ko plandemic – ta kasance da wasu abubuwa masu kyau ma. 05:20.280 --> 05:22.080 Michael Ballweg: Wannan babban tsari ne na canji. 05:22.080 --> 05:25.580 Mun san abin da ke cikin ajandar 2030, ko abin da ya kamata ya kasance a cikin ajandar. 05:25.580 --> 05:34.260 Kuma ajandar ta bayyana, amma al'adarmu ta rashin halarta ma ta bayyana. 05:34.260 --> 05:39.328 Mai tsara tattaunawa: Na gode ƙwarai. Tambaya ta gaba ga lauyoyi. 05:39.328 --> 05:47.496 Ka riga ka ambata shi: yayin tambayar shaida, babban jami'in haraji ya nuna cewa ra'ayinsa game da 05:47.496 --> 05:51.720 motsin tunani na gefe ya kamata a sake duba shi. 05:51.720 --> 05:55.580 Mene ne tasirin wannan zai kasance a kan sauran tsarin? 05:55.580 --> 05:57.376 Shin akwai wani irin juyin hali? 05:57.376 --> 06:06.640 Gregor Samimi: Eh, jiya mun samu damar tambayar jami'in haraji, wanda, a ƙarshe, darakta ne. 06:06.640 --> 06:09.620 Don haka, a ƙa'ida, ya kai matakin ƙarshe na tsarin albashinsa. 06:09.620 --> 06:15.093 Don haka za mu iya tsammanin cewa wannan jami'i ne mai matuƙar ilimi. 06:15.093 --> 06:21.520 Kuma mun kuma sanya bege namu a gare shi, cewa zai iya amsa tambayoyinmu. 06:21.520 --> 06:30.306 A cikin wannan mahallin, ya kuma bayyana cewa Michael Ballweg, misali, bai samu riba a 06:30.306 --> 06:35.840 shekarar 2020 ba, sai dai ya yi asara kusan €25,000. 06:35.840 --> 06:44.126 Kuma shekara guda bayan haka, a shekarar 2021, asarar ta kai kusan euro 55,000. 06:44.126 --> 06:48.720 Kuma wannan shi ne muhimmin layin kariya da muka ɗauka anan. 06:48.720 --> 06:56.355 Don haka mun gabatar da wannan takardar shaida a matsayin hujja ta musantawa don tabbatar da cewa Michael bai 06:56.355 --> 07:03.380 samu wani riba ba, don haka bai kamata ya biya wani haraji a kansu ba, sai dai ya yi asara kawai. 07:03.380 --> 07:14.360 Kuma a wannan fanni, na yarda da abokin aikina Ralf Ludwig cewa an samu nasara mai matuƙar muhimmanci jiya. 07:14.360 --> 07:17.400 Mai tsara tattaunawa: Shin akwai wasu ƙarin sharhi? 07:17.400 --> 07:25.933 Ralf Ludwig: Wataƙila kaɗan mafi takamaimai game da tambayar ko akwai alamar wani tsari na canji. 07:25.933 --> 07:35.240 Ina ganin hakan ya faru jiya a matakai biyu tare da babban jami'in farar hula daga Ofishin Kudi na Yanki. 07:35.240 --> 07:46.060 A gaskiya mun samu shaida mai matuƙar ilimi wadda ta bayyana komai a sarari kuma daidai bisa ga gaskiya. 07:46.060 --> 07:55.193 Amma an kunna shi a shekarar 2021 lokacin da aka shigar da ƙorafe-ƙorafe kan Michael Ballweg kuma akwai hasashen cewa 07:55.193 --> 08:03.920 Michael Ballweg yana gudanar da kasuwanci tare da Querdenken kuma yana da niyyar samun riba daga wannan kasuwanci. 08:03.920 --> 08:15.620 Kuma wannan ma'aikacin, ko mafi dacewa, ba ma'aikaci ba ne; a matakin gudanarwa, ya duba bukatun doka da matukar kulawa sosai. 08:15.620 --> 08:18.980 Lauya ba zai iya yin mafi kyau fiye da yadda ya yi ba. 08:18.980 --> 08:29.868 A gaskiya, an tunkare shi da wannan. Don amsa tambayar, me zai faru idan Michael Ballweg dole ne ya biya wani haraji na gaba 08:29.868 --> 08:35.420 kan kudin shiga da yake samu, wato ya yi biyan haraji na gaba? 08:35.420 --> 08:37.980 Wannan shi ne ainihin tambayar da yake yi wa kansa. 08:37.980 --> 08:45.181 Kuma a wani mataki daban, amma a ainihin mataki, wato a matakin doka, ya haɗa shi da kyau, kuma a ainihin 08:45.181 --> 08:52.133 mataki ya ɗauka cewa ofishina da hukumomin haraji a Baden-Württemberg za su yi aiki yadda ya kamata. 08:52.133 --> 08:56.460 Kuma da bayanan da suke da su, za su kuma yanke shawara daidai. 08:56.460 --> 08:58.020 Amma hakan bai faru ba. 08:58.020 --> 09:04.767 Kuma hakan na nufin cewa, a ka'ida, ya gaza a matsayin mai kula, domin kullum yana cewa, "Na yi zato," don 09:04.767 --> 09:10.860 haka ya yi zato cewa Michael Ballweg ya samar da kudaden shiga da bai samar ba a zahiri. 09:10.860 --> 09:14.218 Kuma ina ganin hakan ya canza wani abu a cikinsa jiya. 09:14.218 --> 09:24.963 Kuma watakila ya fara fahimta jiya yayin binciken shaida cewa Michael Ballweg ya aikata abin da ya aikata ne saboda ƙauna ko 09:24.963 --> 09:34.754 sadaukarwa ga hakkin bil Adama na asali, kuma ba a taɓa nufin samun kuɗi ko ƙirƙirar tsarin kasuwanci ba, sai dai 09:34.754 --> 09:40.340 manufar a bayansa ita ce kawai kare hakkin bil Adama na asali. 09:40.340 --> 09:42.120 Ina tsammanin hakan ya faru jiya. 09:42.120 --> 09:45.860 Ina tsammanin zai yi aiki sosai sosai a cikin shaida. 09:45.860 --> 09:58.496 Kuma ina sha'awar ganin abin da zai faru yanzu, ko za mu ga ƙarin ma'aikata daga hukumomin haraji da ko wani abu zai canza. 09:58.496 --> 10:05.710 Mai tsara tattaunawa: Shin za mu iya cewa, a matsayin ƙarshe na yau, cewa Michael Ballweg da duk motsin tunani 10:05.710 --> 10:13.440 na gefe sun sami wani irin farfadowa dangane da niyyar samun wadata ko zamba, bisa ga hujjoji? 10:17.728 --> 10:20.120 Ralf Ludwig: To menene ma'anar farfadowa? 10:20.120 --> 10:28.240 Don haka watakila a yi farfadowa a gaban kotun jiha, a gaban kotu ta al'ada, watakila eh. 10:28.240 --> 10:34.220 Amma na yi imani cewa tsarin farfadowa a cikin al'umma ya fara tun da dadewa. 10:34.220 --> 10:41.666 Kuma ina ganin mafi yawan mutane, har ma da waɗanda suka nuna kansu a matsayin masu adawa da tunani na gefe da 10:41.666 --> 10:45.740 Michael Ballweg, yanzu sun fahimci abin da ya faru a baya. 10:45.740 --> 10:54.426 Kuma a ƙarshe, yanzu yana bayyana daga wallafe-wallafe da yawa cewa abin da Michael Ballweg ya fito kan tituna saboda 10:54.426 --> 11:03.488 shi, abin da motsin Querdenken ya fito kan tituna saboda shi, hakika yana tabbata gaskiya ne kuma ba wata ƙarya ba ce. 11:03.488 --> 11:09.900 Kuma daga wannan mahangar, ina ganin hakan zai zama ƙarin armashi ne kawai. 11:09.900 --> 11:16.372 Amma watakila Michael zai iya faɗi kaɗan game da abin da ke motsa shi a cikin wannan tsari, 11:16.372 --> 11:19.881 da abin da yake fatan cimma daga gare shi, a ce. 11:19.881 --> 11:26.960 Kar ƙarin bayani game da ko za a wanke shi a shari'ar laifi yanzu ko a'a. 11:26.960 --> 11:35.520 Michael Ballweg: Eh, a gaskiya na yi imani cewa mutane da yawa da suka halarci zanga-zangar ba su taɓa yarda da wannan banza ba. 11:35.520 --> 11:39.800 Watakila wasu mutane sun ji rashin kwanciyar hankali lokacin da aka yi irin wannan zargi. 11:39.800 --> 11:48.940 Akwai bayanai da yawa sosai da ke mamaye mu a kowane lokaci, har yana da sauƙi mu fada cikin tarkon ƙarya. 11:48.940 --> 11:53.160 Musamman, tabbas, idan aka yada su sosai ta kafofin watsa labarai na gama gari. 11:53.160 --> 11:56.873 Don haka tambayar ita ce, shin yanzu an dawo da mu? 11:56.873 --> 12:01.568 To, ban yi imani da cewa mutanen da suka kasance a zanga-zangar ba, kuma na ga hakan a cikin 12:01.568 --> 12:04.451 hirarrakin shaidu da na yi nazari a kansu a gidan yari. 12:04.451 --> 12:14.831 Na karɓi dukkan takardun tambayoyi, kuma mafi yawan su sun ce sun ba da kuɗinsu ba tare da wata sharaɗi 12:14.831 --> 12:20.779 ba, kuma ba za su damu da abin da za ku yi da shi ba. 12:20.779 --> 12:24.018 Wannan yana nufin ba haka abin ya faru ba. 12:24.018 --> 12:31.534 Yanzu ina cikin wannan mataki – ina kiransa matakin wayewa – kuma yanzu za mu iya ganin yadda aka 12:31.534 --> 12:35.880 yi rashin adalci da rudani daga bangaren hukumomi. 12:35.880 --> 12:41.050 Shi ya sa yanzu nake ɗaukar wannan tsari a matsayin jagora. 12:41.050 --> 12:48.118 Yanzu muna mai da hankali wajen nazarin halin da ake ciki, kuma muna amfani da wannan lokaci don jawo 12:48.118 --> 12:53.843 hankali kan sauran kaddarorin waɗanda aka yi wa tsanani a lokacin annobar coronavirus. 12:53.843 --> 12:57.040 Tabbas ba ni kaɗai nake a can ba. 12:57.040 --> 13:03.831 Kuma abu na biyu, tabbas, shi ne cewa yanzu muna koyo daga waɗannan hirarrakin shaidu yadda tsarin 13:03.831 --> 13:07.920 birokrasi ke aiki ba tare da tsari ba, da ƙarancin haɗin kai. 13:07.920 --> 13:13.549 A ƙarshe, maganganun koyaushe sune: Na yi ne kawai abin da aikina ya buƙata. 13:13.549 --> 13:19.346 Ba a sami ka'idar iko biyu ba, ko kuma ofishin lauyan gwamnati ne. 13:19.346 --> 13:27.100 Don haka mika alhaki, wanda ba komai ba ne illa abin da ya faru a lokacin annobar coronavirus. 13:27.100 --> 13:31.176 Kowa ya bi ta kawai, kuma a ƙarshe babu wanda yake son amincewa da cewa ya shiga cikin lamarin, shi ya sa 13:31.176 --> 13:35.720 wannan shari'ar ita ma babban mataki ne na farko wajen fara fahimtar annobar coronavirus. 13:35.720 --> 13:41.576 Kai muhimmin ɓangare ne na wannan, kuma shi ya sa nake farin cikin cewa ka kasance anan a 13:41.576 --> 13:44.692 yau, ka yi ƙoƙarin zuwa ka tallafa mana a can. 13:44.692 --> 13:51.060 Kuma ina ganin yana da muhimmanci mu sami ƙarfi na haɗin kai a cikin motsin madadin. 13:51.060 --> 13:59.927 Mun yi babban hadin kai a shekarar 2020, lokacin da matakan rikitarwa na gwamnati suka zo, sai aka biyo da danniyar 13:59.927 --> 14:08.880 kudi, rufe asusu, kwacen asusu, kuma yanzu, ina ganin, bayan shekaru hudu, haske mai yawa na zuwa gare mu daga Amurka ma. 14:08.880 --> 14:14.746 Peter Hahne ya bayyana yadda yake ganin kuzarin mutanen da ke wurin, da yadda mutane da yawa ke cikin ruhin bege. 14:14.746 --> 14:21.720 Ina fatan wannan ruhin kyakkyawar fata zai sake samun karfi a Jamus kuma mutane za su taimaka wajen tsara canjin. 14:21.720 --> 14:26.640 Mai tsara tattaunawa: Eh, to, na gode ƙwarai, kuma za mu ci gaba da bibiyar lamarin. 14:26.640 --> 14:38.180 Michael Ballweg: Eh, sosai. Na gode. Mai tsara tattaunawa: Na gode kwarai ga kowa.