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Usuku lwesihlanu lwetyala ngomhla we-12
kuNovemba 2024 luzise iimfihlo ezothusayo elubala.

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Usuku lwalugxile kuvavanyo lomphathi ophezulu
wezemali ovela kwi-Ofisi yezeMali yeNgingqi eKarlsruhe.

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Uchaze ukuba yintoni eyamkhuthaza ukuba
athathe amanyathelo kwityala likaBallweg ngo-2021.

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Ngokweengxelo zakhe, uMichael Ballweg
ebengaziwa nganto ngabaphathi berhafu kude kube

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lelo xesha, enyanisekile kwaye engabonakali.

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Kodwa izenzo zikaBallweg ezingqonge uqhanqalazo
lwamalungelo asisiseko, uxolo, inkululeko nobulungisa ziye

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zaxhokonxa amajelo eendaba aphambili ukuba athathe amanyathelo.

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Ngokutsho kwegosa lerhafu, ufumene iingxelo kwezi zikhululo
zeendaba malunga netyala elinokubakho lolwaphulo-mthetho.

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Ugosa lukarhulumente kunye nogxa wakhe baza baqala ukwenza uphando
lwabo baza badibana, phakathi kwezinye izinto, nenkqubo kaJan

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Böhmermann ehlekisayo kwi-ZDF: "Usomashishini weCorona woNyaka".

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Le nkqubo isasazwayo ngokubanzi yagculela yahlazisa
wonke umzamo wokulwela inyaniso nemisebenzi yokukhusela

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amalungelo asisiseko, isithi "modeli yeshishini" yokuzinceda.

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Iwebhusayithi iBelltower yeAmadeu Antonio Foundation
isishwankathela ngelithi: "I-'Querdenken' kunye nesangqa

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esingqonge uMichael Ballweg bazama ukuzoba umfanekiso wokuzincama
wabatshantliziyo abenza konke okusemandleni abo ukulwa

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isoyikiso ekutyholwa ukuba sisongela inkululeko nodemokhrasi."

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Kodwa iingcali zeziyatha zenza
imali, kwaye mhlawumbi eninzi kakhulu.

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Uloyiko, ukukholelwa lula kunye nobungcali
kubonakala kulungile kakhulu ekuthengiseni

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ii-T-shirt, ii-hoodie kunye nohambo lwe-coach.

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La mazwi kunye nawafana nawo avela kwizimvo eziqhelekileyo kunye
nomntu owayehlukene nentshukumo yokucinga

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ngokwahlukileyo, abonakala ngathi abe nefuthe elihlala lihleli
kwindlela umgcisa werhafu awayeqonda ngayo nasezenzweni zakhe.

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Mhlawumbi asikokhe.

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Okunye ngale nto kuxoxwa ngayo kule ngxoxo ilandelayo:

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Umlawuli: Michael, umbuzo wokuqala ngowakho.

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Yeyiphi imodeli yeshishini ephazanyiswe luhambo
lwengcinga ephambili ngemiboniso nemisebenzi yalo?

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Michael Ballweg: Ewe, ndiyakholelwa
ukuba babebaninzi abaxhamle kudubulo.

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Masisiqale ekuqaleni kanye.

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Kakade ke, yayingabaphathi beziko lovavanyo ababekweleyo ezantsi.

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Emva koko, phezulu kuluhlu bekukho ishishini lamachiza,
kulandele iinkampani zedijithali, umbutho wezemali nedijithali,

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kwaye bekukho nabezopolitiko abaninzi abazityebisileyo.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba sigubungele uluhlu olubanzi,
apho sikhanyisele uluntu ngeentshukumo zethu.

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Amanyathelo angamkelekanga, kodwa ke kwakhona nemisebenzi
yezemali neyokuthengisa ekufuneka yenzeke phantsi

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kwemida yamalungelo asisiseko okanye phantsi kwemida yezempilo.

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Ityala lelokuba kuthiwa ndiye ndazigcina
ngokungekho mthethweni iimali okanye ndenze izinto

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ezingafanelekanga ngokunxulumene nemicimbi yerhafu.

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Kodwa izolo, umngqina ovela kwi-Ofisi yezeMali
yeNgingqi kuye kwanyanzeleka ukuba avume ukuba ndim ndedwa

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owayephuhlise imodeli yeshishini ephumeleleyo enomboniso.

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Waza ke wanyathela kancinci naye, wasirhoxisa.

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Wathi mhlawumbi angazukuyibhala ngolo hlobo ingxelo namhlanje.

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Umlawuli: Bawulungiselela bani amajelo eendaba aphambili xa
ejonga lo mcimbi ngolu hlobo aze anike ingxelo ngayo

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ngale ndlela? Ingaba baphoselana uloyiko malunga
nobhubhane we-coronavirus kwaye bayawuxhasa lo mkhwa woshishino?

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Michael Ballweg: Ewe, siyazi loo nto namhlanje, kwaye kukho
neenkcukacha ezifanelekileyo ezifumanekayo. Kwi-intanethi

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(unokubona), mhlawumbi nakwi-Kla.TV, indlela
iinkampani zeendaba ezidibana ngayo nemizamo

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emikhulu, nendlela ezixhaswa ngayo ngemali apho.

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Kuyaziwa kakhulu ukuba uBill Gates naye
unikezele ngemali eninzi kwiDer Spiegel, umzekelo.

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Namhlanje ndibone ingxelo ethi i-DIE ZEIT
ifumene iiyuro ezizizigidi ezingama-36 kurhulumente

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womdibaniso kule minyaka mithathu idlulileyo.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba azisengazimiyo iindaba.

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Kodwa kufuneka nditsho nokuba ubhubhane ngokuqinisekileyo
usebenza njengesikhawulezisi, nesiphindaphindi,

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kuthi nakwamanye amajelo eendaba aphambili, oko
kukuthi, kuni. Ngoku kukho iinkqubo ezimbini ezibethanayo.

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Iinkqubo ezindala, ezixhomekeke kakhulu kulawulo lweendaba,
kunye neenkqubo ezintsha, ezisekelwe kumgaqo wenkululeko.

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba abantu abaninzi
ngakumbi bayazimanya neenkqubo ezintsha.

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Yiyo loo nto ukucinezelwa kukwakhuthaza abantu ukuba batshintshe.

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Ngoko ke, kufanelekile ukuba sibulele ngokwenene kuba
sikwazi ukukuhamba nokuba ngumfakazi kulo lonke eli nqanaba.

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Kwaye andicatshukiswanga yiloo nto kwaphela, kodwa amajelo
eendaba aphambili asisoloko esihlasela, esithi abo babesenza

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uqhanqalazo, umzekelo eCannstatter Wasen,
bebengabantu abakholelwa kwiingcinga zobuqhinga, kwaye

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andifuni ukuphinda yonke into eyayithethwa apho.

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Kodwa oko kwabangela abantu ukuba bangene ezimotweni
zabo besithi, ngoku ngokuqinisekileyo ndiyaya kumboniso.

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Masibone ukuba kuza kwenzeka ntoni kwiiveki ezimbalwa ezizayo.

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Umlawuli: Ngoko ke ubhubhane – okanye
iplandemic – ubunayo nezinye iinkalo ezintle nazo.

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Michael Ballweg: Le yinkqubo enkulu yotshintsho.

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Siyazi ukuba yintoni ekwizicwangciso
zika-2030, okanye yintoni ekufanele ibe kwizicwangciso.

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Kwaye i-ajenda icacile, kodwa inkcubeko
yethu yokungathathi nxaxheba nayo iyacaca.

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Umlawuli: Enkosi kakhulu. Umbuzo olandelayo wamagqwetha.

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Usandokuyikhankanya: ndaweni ithile ekubuzweni kwemboni, igosa
eliphezulu lerhafu lalubonisa ukuba imbono yalo ngentshukumo

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yokucinga ngokwahlukileyo ngokuqinisekileyo ingaphinda ijonwe.

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Oku kuza kuba yintoni ifuthe kuyo yonke inkqubo?

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Ingaba ikhona naluphi na uhlobo lokujika?

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Gregor Samimi: Ewe, izolo sibe nethuba
lokubuza umphathi werhafu, ongumlawuli, kaloku.

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Ngoko ke, ngokomgaqo, ufikelele kwinqanaba
lokugqibela lomlinganiselo wemivuzo yakhe.

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Ngoko ke sinokulindela ukuba lo
ube ngusopolitiki onolwazi olukhulu.

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Kwaye sibe nethemba kuye lokuba uya
kukwazi ukuphendula imibuzo yethu.

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Kulo mxholo, kwacaca nokuba uMichael Ballweg,
umzekelo, akazange enze nzuzo ngo-2020, kodwa

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endaweni yoko wenza ilahleko emalunga ne-€25,000.

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Kwaye unyaka kamva, ngo-2021, iilahleko zade
zafikelela malunga nee-euro ezingama-55,000.

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Kwaye leyo yindlela ephambili yokuzikhusela esiyamkeleyo apha.

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Ngoko ke, singenise esi sitifiketi njengobungqina obuphikisayo
ukungqina ukuba uMichael akazange enze nzuzo, kwaye ke ngoko,

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akufuneki ahlawule rhafu kuyo, kodwa ube nelahleko kuphela.

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Kwaye kulo mba, ndiyavumelana nogxa wam uRalf Ludwig
ukuba uloyiso olubaluleke kakhulu lufunyenwe izolo.

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Umlawuli: Ngaba kukho ezinye izimvo?

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Ralf Ludwig: Mhlawumbi ngokuthe vetshe ngakumbi
ngombuzo wokuba ingaba inkqubo yotshintsho iyabonakala.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba oko kwenzeke izolo kumanqanaba amabini,
nomgcini-zikhondo ophezulu ovela kwi-Ofisi yezeMali yeNgingqi.

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Enyanisweni besinobungqina obunolwazi
olukhulu kakhulu, obucacise yonke into

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ngokucacileyo nangokuchanekileyo ngokusekelwe kwinyaniso.

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Kodwa yamiselwa ngo-2021 xa kwenziwa izikhalazo ezichasene
noMichael Ballweg kwaye kwabakho uqikelelo lokuba

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uMichael Ballweg ebelawula ishishini
elineQuerdenken kwaye eli shishini belijolise ekwenzeni inzuzo.

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Kwaye lo msebenzi wasevenkileni, okanye mandithi,
akayena msebenzi wasevenkileni, ukwinqanaba lolawulo,

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uzihlalutye ngononophelo olukhulu iimfuno zomthetho.

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Igqwetha belingenakwenza ngcono kunaye.

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Enyanisweni, sele ejongene nale nto. Ukuphendula lo mbuzo,
kuthekani ukuba uMichael Ballweg kufuneka ahlawule

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nayiphi na irhafu yaphambili kwingeniso
ayifumanayo, oko kukuthi, enze iintlawulo zerhafu zaphambili?

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Ngumbuzo kanye lowo ebezibuza wona.

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Kwaye kwelinye inqanaba, kodwa kwinqanaba lokwenyani, oko kukuthi
kwinqanaba lasemthethweni, ulifake ngaphakathi ngokucokisekileyo

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kwaye kwinqanaba lokwenyani uthathe ngokuba
i-ofisi yam kunye namagunya erhafu

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eBaden-Württemberg ziya kusebenza ngokufanelekileyo.

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Kwaye ngolwazi abanalo, baya kwenza izigqibo ezifanelekileyo.

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Kodwa akwenzekanga.

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Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba, ngokomgaqo, akaphumelelanga
njengomlawuli, kuba wayesoloko esithi, ndicinga ukuba, ngoko ke

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wacinga ukuba uMichael Ballweg wenze ingeniso engazange ayenze.

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba oko kutshintshe into kuye izolo.

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Kwaye kusenokwenzeka ukuba uqonde izolo ngexesha lokucatshulwa
kobungqina, ukuba uMichael Ballweg eneneni wenze oko akwenzileyo

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ngenxa yothando okanye ukuzinikela kwilungelo elisisiseko, kwaye
kwakungazange kujongwe ukwenza imali okanye ukudala indlela

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yoshishino, kodwa endaweni yoko ingcinga eyayisemva koko
yayisoloko ijolise kuphela ekukhuseleni amalungelo asisiseko.

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Ndicinga ukuba oko kwenzeke izolo.

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Ndicinga ukuba iza kusebenza kakuhle kakhulu kwiwitness.

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Kwaye ndinomdla wokubona ukuba kuza kwenzeka ntoni ngoku,
nokuba siza kubona abasebenzi abaninzi ngakumbi abavela

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kwiziphathiswa zerhafu na, nokuba ikhona na into enokutshintsha.

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Mlawuli: Singakwazi ke ukuthi, njengesiphelo sanamhlanje, ukuba
uMichael Ballweg kunye nalo lonke intshukumo yokucinga

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ngokwahlukileyo bahlaziywe igama labo
malunga neenjongo zokuzityebisa okanye

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ukwenza ubuqhophololo, ngokusekelwe kwiinyaniso?

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Ralf Ludwig: Ngoko ithetha ntoni ukubuyiselwa esimeni?

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Ngoko ke, kusenokwenzeka ukuba kubekho
ukuvuselelwa phambi kwenkundla yelizwe, phambi

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kwenkundla eqhelekileyo, ewe kusenokwenzeka.

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Kodwa ndikholelwa ukuba inkqubo
yokubuyiselwa esiqhelweni eluntwini yaqala kudala.

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Kwaye ndiyakholelwa ukuba uninzi lwabantu, kwanabo bazibonakalise
njengabachasi bokuqwalasela izinto ngendlela

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eyahlukileyo kunye noMichael Ballweg, ngoku
bayakuqonda okwenzekileyo kwixesha elidlulileyo.

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Kwaye ekugqibeleni, ngoku kuya sicaca kwiimpapasho ezininzi
ngakumbi ukuba le nto uMichael Ballweg wayeyisa

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esitratweni, le nto umbutho weQuerdenken wawuyisa
esitratweni, iyangqineka iyinyani kwaye ayisosihlahla-ngcinga.

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Kwaye ngaloo mbono, ndicinga ukuba
oko kungayenza ibe mnandi ngakumbi.

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Kodwa mhlawumbi uMichael angathetha kancinci
ngakumbi malunga nento emkhuthazayo kule

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nkqubo, nento anethemba lokuyiphumeza kuyo, masithi.

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Okunye malunga nokuba ngoku uza kukhululwa na
kwiinkundla zolwaphulo-mthetho okanye hayi.

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Michael Ballweg: Ewe, ndikholelwa ngokwenene ukuba abantu abaninzi
ababekwiimibhikisho abazange bakholelwe kule ntswele-vakalelo.

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Mhlawumbi abanye abantu baye baziva
bengazozanga xa kusenziwe isityholo esinje.

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Kukho ulwazi oluninzi kakhulu olusihlaselayo ngalo lonke
ixesha kangangokuba kulula ukukhohliswa lulwazi olungeyonyani.

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Ingakumbi, ewe, xa zisasazwa kakhulu ngamajelo eendaba aphambili.

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Ngoko ke umbuzo ngulo, ingaba ngoku silungisiwe?

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Ewe, andikholelwa ukuba abantu ababekwiimibhiyozo, kwaye ndabona
oku kudliwano-ndlebe lwamangqina endalufundayo entolongweni.

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Ndifumene zonke iiphepha-mibuzo, kwaye inani elikhulu
kakhulu lithe linike imali yalo ngaphandle

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kwemiqathango kwaye belingayi kukhathala ngento oyenzayo ngayo.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba akwenzekanga ngolo hlobo.

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Ngoku ndidlule kule meko – endiyibiza ngokuba yimeko
yokukhanyiselwa – kwaye ngoku sinokubona

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ukuba bekukho ukungangqinelani okukhulu
nokudideka kwakugqitha kwicala labasemagunyeni.

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Yiyo loo nto ke ngoku ndikhokela le nkqubo.

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Ngoku sigxile ekuqondeni le meko kwaye sisebenzisa
eli thuba ukutsalela ingqalelo kwezinye iimeko zabo

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bahlukunyezwayo ngexesha lobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ngokuqinisekileyo andindedwa apho.

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Kwaye into yesibini, ewe, kukuba ngoku sifunda kwezi
dliwano-ndlebe zabangqina indlela

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urhulumente osebenza ngayo ngokungacwangciswanga,
kunye nokungabikho kolungelelwaniso olwaneleyo.

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Ekugqibeleni, izithethi zihlala zithi:
"Ndenze nje oko umsebenzi wam ubufuna."

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Kwakungekho mgaqo wolawulo oluphindwe
kabini, okanye yayili-ofisi yomtshutshisi woluntu.

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Ngoko ke ukudlulisela ityala, nto leyo engeyonto yimbi
ngaphandle koko kwenzekayo ngexesha lobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Wonke umntu wavuma nje, kwaye ekugqibeleni, akukho mntu ufuna
ukuvuma ukuba wayebandakanyekile, yiyo loo

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nto olu vavanyo lukwasisiqalo
esibalulekileyo sokwamkela ubhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ningeyona nxalenye ibalulekileyo yale nto, kwaye
yiyo loo nto ndivuya kakhulu kuba benilapha

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namhlanje, kuba nenze umgudu wokuphuma nize nisixhase apho.

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba kubalulekile kananjalo ukuba sibe nomoya
oqinileyo wobumbano ngaphakathi kolu hlobo lwentshukumo elunye.

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Sasinobumbano olukhulu ngo-2020, xa kwafika amanyathelo
karhulumente okuphazamisa, kwalandela uxinzelelo lwezemali,

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ukuvalwa kwee-akhawunti, nokuthathwa kwee-akhawunti,
kwaye ngoku, ndiyakholelwa, emva kweminyaka emine, kukho

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ukukhanya okuninzi okusifikelelayo nase-United States.

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UPeter Hahne uchaze indlela awuva ngayo amandla abantu abalapho,
nendlela abantu abaninzi abakwimo yokuba nethemba ngayo.

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Ndiyathemba ukuba lo moya wokuba nethemba uza kuphinda ufumane
amandla eJamani nokuba abantu baya kunceda ekubumbeni utshintsho.

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Umlawuli: Ewe, kulungile, enkosi kakhulu,
kwaye siza kuqhubeka nokulandela imeko.

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Michael Ballweg: Ewe, kakhulu. Enkosi.
Umququzeleli: Enkosi kakhulu kuni nonke.