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Usuku lwesihlanu lokwahlulelwa ngomhlaka 12
Novemba 2024 lwavezela izimfihlo ezimangalisayo.

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Usuku lwaluphethwe ukuhlolwa komphathi omkhulu
wezezimali oseMnyangweni Wezezimali Wesifunda eKarlsruhe.

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Wachaza ukuthi yini eyamkhuthaza ukuba athathe
isinyathelo kuleli cala lika-Ballweg ngo-2021.

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Ngokwamazwi akhe, uMichael Ballweg
wayengakaze abhalwe lutho eziphathimandla zentela kuze

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kube yilapho, ethembekile futhi ongabonakali.

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Kodwa imisebenzi kaBallweg ephathelene nemibhikisho yamalungelo
ayisisekelo, ukuthula, inkululeko nobulungisa yavusa ngokuzumayo

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iziteshi zezindaba ezinkulu ukuba zithathe isinyathelo.

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Ngokusho komphathi wentela, wamukela imibiko evela kulezi
ziteshi zezindaba mayelana necala lobugebengu elingaba khona.

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Lowo msebenzi kahulumeni nomlingani wakhe-ke baqala ukuzihlola
futhi bathola, phakathi kwezinye izinto, uhlelo oluhlekisayo

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lukaJan Böhmermann ku-ZDF: "Usomabhizinisi weCorona Wonyaka".

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Lolu hlelo oludume kakhulu lwamhlaba lonke lwancoma ngokuhlekisa
yonke imizamo yokulwela iqiniso nemisebenzi yokuvikela

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amalungelo ayisisekelo njengemodeli yebhizinisi yokuzuzisa yona.

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Iwebhusayithi yeBelltower ye-Amadeu Antonio Foundation iphetha
ngokuthi: "Querdenken" kanye nesiyingi esizungeze uMichael

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Ballweg bazama ukudweba isithombe sokuzidela
sabashisekeli abenza konke okusemandleni abo ukulwa

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nengozi ekuthiwa ibhekiswe enkululekweni naseDemokhrasini.

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Kodwa ochwepheshe bezinkohliso zokuhlela izenzo ezingemthethweni
bayenza imali, futhi mhlawumbe imali eningi kakhulu.

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Kubonakala sengathi ukwesaba, ukukholwa kalula
nokungazi kusebenza kakhulu ekuthengiseni

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ama-T-shirt, ama-hoodie kanye nohambo lwezimoto zokuqeqesha.

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Lezi nezwi elifanayo ezivela emithonjeni evamile kanye nomuntu
ohoxile emzabalazweni wokucabanga

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ngokwehlukana kwakubonakala kube nomthelela oqhubekayo
ekuboneni nasekuziphatheni komphathi wentela.

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Mhlawumbe akayena yedwa.

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Okuningi ngalokhu kuzoxoxwa esigabeni esilandelayo sengxoxo:

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Umlawuli: Michael, umbuzo wokuqala ungowakho.

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Imodeli yebhizinisi yabani iye yaphazanyiswa ngumkhankaso
wokucabanga ngokwehlukana ngemibhikisho nemisebenzi yawo?

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Michael Ballweg: Yebo, ngikholwa
ukuthi bekuningi abazuza kule ntapandeni.

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Masisiqale ekuqaleni kakhulu.

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Impela, kwakuyizisebenzi eziphethe izikhungo
zokuhlolwa ezazisezingeni eliphansi kakhulu.

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Emva kwalokho ohlwini kwakukhona imboni yezemithi, kulandelwa
izinkampani zedijithali, inkimbinkimbi yezimali zedijithali,

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futhi kwakukhona abezepolitiki abaningi abazizuzisile.

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Ngikholelwa ukuthi sesibheke uhla olubanzi, lapho
esilethe khona ukukhanya emphakathini ngemiboniso yethu.

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Izinqumo ezingamukelekile, kodwa futhi nemisebenzi yezimali
neyokumaketha okufanele yenzeke ngaphansi kwemikhawulo

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yamalungelo ayisisekelo noma ngaphansi kwemikhawulo yezempilo.

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Isimangalo sithi ngithi ngazigcina imali ngokungekho
emthethweni noma ngenza okungafanele mayelana nezindaba zentela.

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Kodwa izolo, umfakazi ovela eHhovisi Lezezimali
Lesifunda kwadingeka avume ukuthi mina ngedwa

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owayethuthukise imodeli yebhizinisi ephumelelayo eneziboniso.

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Wabe esemele ahleke kancane yena uqobo, wabe esekuyeka.

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Wathi mhlawumbe angeke abhale inothi ngaleyo ndlela namuhla.

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Umlawuli: Basebenzela bani abezindaba abahamba phambili uma
bebuka le ndaba ngale ndlela futhi beyibika ngale

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ndlela? Ingabe basabalalisa ukwesaba mayelana nobhubhane
we-coronavirus futhi basekela lolu hlobo lwamabhizinisi?

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Michael Ballweg: Yebo, siyazi lokhu namuhla, futhi kukhona
nolwazi olufanele olutholakalayo. Ku-inthanethi (ungabona),

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mhlawumbe naku-Kla.TV, ukuthi izinkampani
zezindaba zixhumene kanjani nezisekelo

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ezinkulu, nokuthi zixhaswa kanjani ngemali lapho.

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Kuyaziwa kahle ukuthi uBill Gates naye
unikeze imali eningi kuDer Spiegel, isibonelo.

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Namuhla ngibone umbiko othi i-DIE ZEIT ithole ama-euro ayizigidi
ezingama-36 kuhulumeni kazwelonke eminyakeni emithathu edlule.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi asisaseyiziteshi zezindaba ezizimele.

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Kodwa futhi kumele ngisho ukuthi le gciwane lomhlaba lonke
ngempela lisebenza njengomsheshisi, njengomphindisi kithi

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nakumajelo e-mainstream ahlukile, okungukuthi nina. Manje
sekukhona izinhlelo ezimbili ezibhekene komunye nomunye.

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Amasistimu amadala, athembele kakhulu ekuvinjelweni kolwazi,
kanye namasistimu amasha, asuselwe emgomeni wenkululeko.

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Futhi ngikholelwa ukuthi abantu abaningi
kakhulu bayahlanganyela kulezi zinhlelo ezintsha.

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Yingakho-ke ukucindezelwa futhi kusiza
ukugqugquzela abantu ukuthi bashintshe.

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Ngakho-ke, kufanele ngempela sibonge ukuthi sikwazi
ukuhambisana nalolu hlelo lonke nokuba abafakazi balo.

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Angicasuki ngalokho nhlobo, kodwa imithombo yezindaba eyinhloko
ihlale isihlambalaza, ithi zonke izibhikisho, isibonelo

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eCannstatter Wasen, zazigcwele abantu
abakholelwa kwezinkolelo zokuhlelwa kwezimfihlo,

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futhi angifuni ukuphinda konke okwashiwo lapho.

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Kodwa lokho kwaholela abantu ukuthi bangene
ezimotweni zabo bathi manje ngempela ngizoya emibhikishweni.

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Ake sibone ukuthi kwenzekani emasontweni ambalwa azayo.

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Umlawuli: Ngakho-ke i-pandemic – noma
i-plandemic – nayo yayinazo ezinye izinzuzo.

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Michael Ballweg: Lena inqubo enkulu yeshintsho.

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Siyazi ukuthi yini ekuluhlu lwezinto okufanele zenziwe
ngo-2030, noma ukuthi yini okufanele ibe kulolo hlu.

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Futhi uhlelo lucacile, kodwa nesiko
lethu lokungabambi iqhaza nalo licacile.

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Umlawuli: Ngiyabonga kakhulu. Umbuzo olandelayo uwabameli.

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Usuyishilo kakade: ngesikhathi kubuzwa umfakazi, isikhulu
esiphezulu sezintela saphakamisa ukuthi umbono waso

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ngomkhankaso wokucabanga ngokwehlukana kudingeka ubuyekezwe.

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Lokhu kuzoba namuphi umthelela kuyo yonke inqubo esele?

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Ingabe kukhona uhlobo oluthile lokuguquka?

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uGregor Samimi: Yebo, izolo saba nethuba
lokubuza umphathi wentela, ongumqondisi, phela.

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Ngakho-ke, ngokomgomo, usufinyelele
esigabeni sokugcina sesikali sakhe semiholo.

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Ngakho-ke singalindela ukuthi lo
muntu abe ngumphathi onolwazi olunzulu.

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Futhi nathi sibeke ithemba lethu kuye,
ukuthi uzokwazi ukuphendula imibuzo yethu.

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Kulesi simo, kwaphinde kwacaca ukuthi uMichael
Ballweg, isibonelo, akazange enze nzuzo

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ngo-2020, kodwa walahlekelwa cishe ama-euro angu-25,000.

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Futhi ngonyaka kamuva, ngo-2021,
ukulahlekelwa kwafinyelela cishe ku-55,000 amayuro.

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Futhi yilona umugqa obalulekile wokuzivikela esiwuthathe lapha.

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Ngakho-ke sanikela ngaleli sitifiketi njengobufakazi obuphikisayo
ukuze sifakazele ukuthi uMichael akazange enze noma

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yiziphi inzuzo, ngakho-ke akufanele akhokhe noma
yiziphi izintela kuzo, kodwa wayelahlekelwe kuphela.

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Futhi ngalokhu ngiyavuma nomlingani wami uRalf Ludwig
ukuthi uloyiso olubaluleke kakhulu lwafezeka izolo.

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Umlawuli: Ngabe kukhona ezinye izimvo?

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Ralf Ludwig: Mhlawumbe ngokucacile kancane
ngombuzo wokuthi ingabe inqubo yokushintsha iyabonakala.

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Ngikholelwa ukuthi lokho kwenzeke izolo
ezingeni ezimbili nomphathi omkhulu wezabasebenzi

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kahulumeni eMnyangweni Wezezimali Wesifunda.

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Empeleni sasinombhoni onolwazi olunzulu kakhulu ochaze
konke ngokucacile nangokunembile ngokusekelwe eqinisweni.

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Kodwa kwaqaliswa ngo-2021 lapho kwenziwa izikhalazo ngokumelene
noMichael Ballweg futhi kwakukhona ukuqagela ukuthi

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uMichael Ballweg wayephethe ibhizinisi neQuerdenken
nokuthi leli bhizinisi lalihloselwe ukukhiqiza inzuzo.

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Futhi lo msebenzi wasesitolo, noma ngempela akayena
umsebenzi wasesitolo kodwa usemazingeni obuphathi,

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uhlolisise ngokucophelela kakhulu izimfuneko zomthetho.

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Ummeli bekungeke enze kangcono kunalokho akwenzile.

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Eqinisweni, usehlangabezane nalokhu. Ukuze uphendule umbuzo,
kuthiwani uma uMichael Ballweg ekhona ukukhokha noma

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yiziphi izintela zangaphambili emholweni awuthola,
okusho ukuthi enza izinkokhelo zentela zangaphambili?

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Lokho kwakuyimbuzo ayezauza yena.

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Futhi kwenye izinga, kodwa ezingeni langempela, okungukuthi
ezingeni lomthetho, uyifake kahle ngaphansi kwakhe,

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futhi ezingeni langempela uthathe ukuthi ihhovisi lami
neziphathimandla zentela eBaden-Württemberg zizosebenza kahle.

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Futhi ngolwazi abalunabo, nabo bazokwenza izinqumo ezifanele.

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Kodwa lokho akwenzekanga.

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Futhi lokho kusho ukuthi, ngokomqondo, wahluleka njengomlawuli,
ngoba wayehlala ethi, "Ngicabanga ukuthi," ngakho wacabanga

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ukuthi uMichael Ballweg wayethola imali ayengakayitholi ngempela.

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Futhi ngikholelwa ukuthi empeleni
lokho kushintshe okuthile kuye izolo.

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Futhi kungenzeka ukuthi izolo, ngesikhathi kuphenywa umfakazi,
kwaqala ukuvela kuye ukuthi uMichael Ballweg empeleni wenza lokho

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ayekwenzile ngenxa yothando noma ukuzibophezela emalungelweni
ayisisekelo, futhi kwakungekho ngenhloso yokwenza imali noma

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ukudala imodeli yebhizinisi, kodwa umqondo ongemuva kwalokho
wawuhlale ngokuphelele wokuvikela amalungelo ayisisekelo.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kwenzeke izolo.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi kuzosebenza kahle kakhulu kakhulu kumfakazi.

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Futhi ngiyazibuza ukubona ukuthi kwenzekani manje,
ukuthi ngabe sizobona abasebenzi abaningi abavela

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eziphathimandla zentela nokuthi ngabe kukhona okungashintsha.

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Umlawuli: Singasho yini-ke, njengokuphetha kwanamuhla, ukuthi
uMichael Ballweg kanye nalo lonke uhlelo lokucabanga ngokwehlukana

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sebephinde bahlanzwe ngokwethula izinhloso zokucebisa
noma zobugebengu bokukhohlisa, ngokusekelwe emaqinisweni?

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Ralf Ludwig: Ngakho-ke
ukubuyiselwa esimweni esihle kusho ukuthini?

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Ngakho-ke mhlawumbe ukubuyiselwa esimweni ngaphambi kwenkantolo
kahulumeni, ngaphambi kwenkantolo ejwayelekile, mhlawumbe yebo.

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Kodwa ngikholelwa ukuthi inqubo
yokuvuselelwa emphakathini yaqala kudala.

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Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi, ngisho nalabo
abazibonakalise njengabaphikisi bokucabanga ngokwehlukana

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noMichael Ballweg, manje sebebona okwenzeke esikhathini esedlule.

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Ekugcineni, izincwadi zethu eziningi manje sezikhombisa ukuthi
lokho uMichael Ballweg ayeya emigwaqweni ngakho, nalokho

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inhlangano yeQuerdenken eyayiya emigwaqweni ngakho, empeleni
kuyiqiniso futhi akuyona futhi bekungeyona ithiyori yokuhlelana.

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Futhi ngalelo langa, ngicabanga
ukuthi kungaba nje ukugqibezela konke.

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Kodwa mhlawumbe uMichael angasho okwengeziwe
ngokuthi yini emkhuthazayo kule nqubo,

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nokuthi yini ayethemba ukuyifeza kuyo, ngokuthi.

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Okwengeziwe mayelana nokuthi manje
uzokhululwa yini ezinqubweni zobugebengu noma cha.

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Michael Ballweg: Yebo, ngempela ngikholelwa
ukuthi abantu abaningi ababekhona

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emibhikishweni abazange bakholwe kulobu buphukuphuku.

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Mhlawumbe abanye abantu bazizwe
bengazinzile lapho kwenziwa isolwa esinjalo.

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Kukhona ulwazi oluningi kakhulu olusihlasela
ngaso sonke isikhathi, okwenza kube lula

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ukuba sibe yizisulu zolwazi olungelona iqiniso.

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Ikakhulukazi, vele, lapho
kusatshalaliswa kabanzi yabezindaba ezinkulu.

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Ngakho-ke umbuzo uthi, ingabe manje sesilulungisiwe?

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Hhayi-ke, angikholwa ukuthi abantu ababekhona emibhikishweni,
futhi ngabona lokhu ezingxoxweni zabafakazi engazifunda ejele.

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Ngithole yonke imibuzo yokuphendula, futhi iningi
elikhulu lathi belinikeze imali yalo ngaphandle

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kwezimo futhi belingazikhathazi ngalokho owenzayo ngayo.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi akwenzekanga ngaleyo ndlela.

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Manje ngidlulela kulesi sigaba – engisibiza ngokuthi isigaba
sokukhanyiselwa – futhi manje sesiyabona

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ukuthi kwakukhona ukuzikhethela
okungahleliwe nokudideka okukhulu ngakolabo abaphethe.

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Yingakho manje ngithatha indima ehola phambili kule nqubo.

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Manje sigxile ekucubunguleni lesi simo futhi sisebenzisa
lesi sikhathi ukuheha ukunaka kwezinye iziphetho zabo

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abahlukunyezwayo ngesikhathi sobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ngempela angiyena yedwa lapho.

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Futhi into yesibili, impela, ukuthi manje sesifunda kulezi
zingxoxo nezifakazi ukuthi ibhurokrasi isebenza kanjani

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ngokungahleliwe nokuthi kunokubambisana okuncane kangakanani.

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Ekugcineni, izitatimende zihlala zithi: Ngizenzile
nje izinto umsebenzi wami odinga ukuthi ngizenze.

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Bekungekho mthetho wokulawula okubili,
noma kwakuyihhovisi lomshushisi womphakathi.

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Ngakho-ke ukudlulisela umthwalo, okungeyinye into ngaphandle
kwalokho okwenzeka ngesikhathi sobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Wonke umuntu wavuma nje, futhi ekugcineni akekho ofuna ukuvuma
ukuthi wayebambe iqhaza, yingakho lolu hlolo luphinde lube

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ukuqala okubalulekile ekwamukeleni ubhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ungingxenye ebalulekile yalokhu, yingakho
ngijabule kakhulu ukuthi ubekhona namuhla

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lapha, nokuthi wenze umzamo wokuzosekela khona.

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Futhi ngikholelwa ukuthi kubalulekile futhi ukuthi sibe nomuzwa
oqinile wokubumbana ngaphakathi komzamo wama-alternative.

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Saba nobumbano olukhulu ngo-2020, lapho kwafika izinyathelo
zikahulumeni zokuhlukanisa, kwalandela ukucindezelwa kwezezimali,

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ukuvalwa kwezikhontela, nokuthathwa kwezikhontela,
futhi manje, ngikholelwa ukuthi, emva kweminyaka emine,

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ukukhanya okuningi kusifikela futhi e-United States.

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UPeter Hahne wachaza ukuthi ubona kanjani amandla abantu abakhona
lapho, nokuthi bangaki abantu abanesimo sengqondo sokuzethemba.

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Ngiyethemba ukuthi lo moya wokuzethemba uzothola amandla
futhi eJalimane nokuthi abantu bazosiza ukubumba lo shintsho.

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Umlawuli: Yebo, kulungile, ngiyabonga
kakhulu, futhi sizokuqhubeka silandela isimo.

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uMichael Ballweg: Yebo, kakhulu.
Ngiyabonga. Umhleli: Ngiyabonga kakhulu kini nonke.