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Kusukela ngo-2014 kuya ku-2021, iSwitzerland
yayixoxisana ne-EU ngesivumelwano sesakhiwo,

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esaziwa nangokuthi iSivumelwano Sezikhungo (InstA).

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Lokhu kuhloswe ngokuhlanganisa indlela yezingxenye ezimbili.

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Ngemva kokuphuka kwezingxoxo ngoMeyi 2021,
izingxoxo ne-EU zaqala kabusha ngoMashi 2024.

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UThomas Kaiser wase Zeitgeschehen im Fokus ubhala ukuthi
isisekelo samanje somthethosisekelo – okubizwa ngokuthi

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ukuqonda okuvamile – asisekho esingabizwa ngokuthi isivumelwano
sesakhiwo, ngoba ngaphandle kwalokho besizohluleka ngokushesha.

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Ngakho-ke yashintshwa igama
ngokushesha yaba "Izivumelwano Ezimbili III".

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Ngokocwaningo lwakamuva, iningi labantu lixhasa
indlela yezingxenye ezimbili, ngakho kubonakala

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sengathi uhlelo lweKhonsili Yezwe luyasebenza.

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Kodwa lokhu kuwukufaka isihlabathi emehlweni abantu.

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Ngokusho kukaKaiser, iqiniso liwukuthi i-EU inezimfuno ezifanayo
ekuqondeni okuvamile njengoba inazo esivumelwaneni sesakhiwo.

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Kuyadingeka ukuthi, uma kuba nokungavumelani
ngokuhunyushwa kwezivumelwano eziphakathi kwamazwe amabili,

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iNkantolo Yobulungisa YaseYurophu izonquma njengokugcina.

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uKaiser uthi: "Ngolimi olulula, lokhu
kusho ukuthi umthetho we-EU uyasebenza."

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Ngakho-ke iSwitzerland kumele yamukele
ngokuzenzakalelayo umthetho we-EU, owaziwa ngokuthi

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'ukumukela okushintshashintshayo kwemithetho'.

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Kodwa akukho okushukumisayo ngalokhu;
iSwitzerland ayinayo indawo yokuziphendulela.

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uNgqongqoshe Wezangaphandle uIgnazio Cassis
ukhulume nabezindaba eBern ngomhlaka 27 Novemba 2024.

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Umhlangano noSekela Mongameli weKhomishini
YaseYurophu, uMaros Sefcovic, wawuseduze.

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NgokukaCassis, inhloso isaqhubeka ukufinyelela esiphethweni
esinokwakha ezingxoxweni ngaphambi kokuphela kwalo nyaka.

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Inani lenxuso lokubumbana iSwitzerland ezolikhokha
kwi-EU ngenxa yokufinyelela kwayo okungaphelele

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emakethe eyodwa yaseYurophu kuzoxoxwa kuphela ekugcineni.

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Singaxoxa ngemali ekugcineni, kusho uCassis.

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Ngokocwaningo kweSwiss Radio and Television (SRF), iSwitzerland
kungenzeka ukuthi izokhokha ku-EU cishe

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ama-franc aseSwitzerland ayizigidi ezingama-350
ngonyaka emalini yokubumbana esikhathini esizayo.

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Lokhu kuphezulu kakhulu kunaleyo cishe izigidi
eziyi-130 ngonyaka iSwitzerland eseyikhokhile kuze

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kube manje emazweni abampofu empumalanga ye-EU.

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Endatshaneni eshicilelwe ephephandabeni laseSwitzerland i-BLICK
ngomhlaka 1 Disemba 2024, umuntu ongaphakathi ucashunwe ethi:

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Noma zonke izinto ezisemthethweni wokuxoxisana
zingakagcwaliseki, kungenzeka ukuthi sithi: sesivumelene.

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Kuyacaca kokubili eBern naseBrussels ukuthi "sesixoxisene
okwanele; okusele kumele kucaciswe kwezombusazwe zasekhaya."

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Ngokwe-BLICK, lolu hlelo lwesikhathi olulandelayo lwaluhlelwe:

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Ngo-13 Disemba, iKhonsili Yezwe
izoxoxa futhi ngedokhumenti ye-EU.

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Uma evuma, kuzoba nokudubula okuningi kwama-flashi ekhamera
ngoMgqibelo ngaphambi kukaKhisimusi, mhla ziyi-21 Disemba:

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Bese uMongameli weKhomishini YaseYurophu,
u-Ursula von der Leyen, uzofika eBern mathupha ukuze

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aqinisekise ukuphela okwesifanekiso kwezingxoxo.

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Ngokwencwadi eshicilelwe yi-SRF ngomhlaka 11
Disemba, lo mqondo uvezwa eBrussels naseBern.

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Ngokuka-BLICK, akukakayisi "isivumelwano esiqediwe"
okwamanje, kodwa kunezimpawu eziningi zokuthi

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isivumelwano ne-EU sizophela phakathi nesikhathi seKhisimusi.

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Ngesikhathi seKhisimusi?! – Lapho umphakathi ugxile
kwezinye izindaba?! Ingabe lokhu kungenxa yokuthi

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isivumelwano ne-EU siqhubeke ngaphandle kokuphithizela okuningi?

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Kuze kube manje, kube nokugxeka okukhulu ngaso sonke isikhathi
ngokumelene nesivumelwano sesakhiwo ne-EU. Izixoxiswano zakamuva

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kwadingeka zinqutshwe ngoba ukumelana kwakukhulu kakhulu.

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Akusoze kube yisikhathi sokuqala emlandweni
ukuthi izinqumo ezibalulekile zidlulisiwe

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ngesikhathi umphakathi ugxile kwezinye izindaba.

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Ngo-23 Disemba 1913, usuku olulodwa ngaphambi
kweSonto lesiKhisimusi, isichibiyelo sokusungula i-FED

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sagunyazwa ngokushesha yiCongress eyayinciphile kakhulu.

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Ngesikhathi se-"indaba yasehlobo" yeNdebe yoMhlaba
ka-2006, iJalimane yanquma ukunyusa i-VAT isuka ku-16 iye ku-19

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ekhulwini, kusebenza kusukela mhla ziyi-1 kuJanuwari 2007.

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Ezinye izibonelo zingatholakala ohlelweni
"Ingabe izigameko ezinkulu zisetshenziswa

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ngenhloso njengamacebo okudonsela ukunaka?"

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Ekugcineni, bukela ilungu leKhonsili Kazwelonke yaseSwitzerland,
uFranz Grüter, echaza engxoxweni nesiteshi sezindaba

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zikagesi ezimele saseSwitzerland i-HOCH2 ukuthi
kungani isivumelwano esisha sesakhiwo siyingozi kakhulu.

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Usanda nje ukukhuluma kafushane ngesivumelwano
sesakhiwo iKhonsili Yobumbano efuna ukusivumelana ne-EU.

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Ngakho-ke kuwuhlobo lwesivumelwano esikhulu kakhulu, olwaziwa
nangokuthi "Bilateral III", kodwa akuyona izivumelwano ezizimele,

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kuwuphakethe oluphelele, okuthiwa kuyisixazululo senhlangano.

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Inhloso kwakuwukuthi isivumelwano sixoxwe ngaphambi kokuphela
konyaka. Njengochwepheshe kwezepolitiki

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zakwamanye amazwe futhi, noma kunjalo, njengelungu
leNational Council, ubambe iqhaza eduze kule nqubomgomo.

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Uzwa ukuthini? Isimo salokhu kuxoxisana sikuphi?

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Ngempela, ngingasho ukuthi iKhonsili Yezwe ifisa
ukuqeda lezi zingxoxo ngaphambi kokuphela konyaka.

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Kubalulekile: igama elithi "Bilateral III" – i-EU
igcizelela ukuthi lawa awaseyivumelwano phakathi kwamazwe

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amabili, ngoba manje awaseyona into ephakathi kwamazwe amabili.

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Ubudlelwano obuphakathi kwamazwe amabili buzoba kusho ukuthi
sinemvumelwano ezimeni ezifanayo, kodwa kulokhu

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umthetho waseYurophu uzosiphoqelelwa kithi, okusho ukuthi
ngeke sibe sobudlelwano obuphakathi kwamazwe amabili.

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Ngokuphambene nalokho, bekuyoba inkontileka
yokuzithoba. Yebo, iKhonsili Yezwe ifuna ukuyiqeda.

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Ngasikhathi sinye, cishe abantu abayikhulu basebenza
eminyangweni ehlukene eBern ukuze benze zonke

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izinguquko zomthetho ezidingekayo kwezepolitiki zasekhaya.

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Kukhona inkulumo mayelana nemithetho
okungenani engama-30 okusadingeka ukuthi iguqulwe.

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Futhi-ke – uma lolu hlelo luhamba kahle –
ngokombono weKhonsili Yezwe, umlayezo wokubonisana

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uzokhishwa ngonyaka ozayo, okungukuthi ngo-2025.

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NgokweKhonsili Yezwe, lo myalezo mude amakhasi angaphezu
kuka-1 000, ukuze unikeze umbono wokuthi mkhulu kangakanani.

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Futhi-ke izofika ePhalamende ngonyaka ozayo, cishe
engxenyeni yesibili yonyaka, futhi ngilindele

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ukuthi ngesinye isikhathi ngo-2026 kuzoba noreferendamu.

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Lona uzoba i-referendamu ebaluleke
kakhulu eminyakeni engama-30 edlule.

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Ngathi lokhu kungumama wazo zonke izimpi.

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Ngakho-ke lokhu kuyindaba yokuphila nokufa
eSwitzerland – ukuthi singaqhubeka sibe

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ngenkululeko, sizimele futhi sibe yidemokhrasi ngokuqondile.

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– futhi ngalelo langa, ukhetho
olukhulu cishe luzobanjwa ngo-2026.

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Ake sihlolisise lezi zihloko kancane okwengeziwe.

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Ushilo kafushane ukuthi yini ezothinteka
ngalokhu. Igama elibalulekile: "idemokhrasi eqondile".

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Kungani ucabanga ukuthi lokhu kungaba
sengozini ngaphansi kwesivumelwano esinjalo sohlaka?

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Ngakho-ke, kumele kuphawulwe lapha futhi, ukuthi imithombo
yezindaba ephambili ibika nsuku zonke ngezinye

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izigaba zokuqinisekisa, nezinye izimali
zabafundi, nezinye amaphuzu avela kulezi zingxoxo.

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Kodwa empeleni, udaba olukhulu kakhulu,
okungukuthi ubudlelwano bezikhungo

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zikaSwitzerland ne-EU, asisekho ngisho okukhulunywa ngakho.

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Lokho okusaxoxwa ngakho eBrussels
empeleni kuwumdlalo ohlangothini.

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Futhi udaba olubaluleke kakhulu kulesi sivumelwano
wukuthi, okokuqala, kuzofanele sithathe ngokuzenzakalelayo

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– okubizwa ngokuthi ngokuguquguqukayo – umthetho we-EU.

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Uma abantu baseSwitzerland benza i-referendum noma
i-plebiscite futhi bengayilaleli imiphumela, bazojatshulwa.

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Lokhu kubizwa ngokuthi izinyathelo
zokubuyisela ngesiJalimane sanamuhla.

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Khona-ke, uma singavumelani, iNkantolo Yobulungiswa
YaseYurophu inelungelo lokugcina lokuthi yini

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esebenza lapha eSwitzerland – yilokho okushiwo emibhalweni.

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Besizoba ikoloni yaseBrussels. Ekugcineni, kodwa
hhayi okuncane, bekuzofanele sikhokhe imali e-EU njalo.

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Lezi yizihloko ezine ezibaluleke kakhulu
ezibangela inkinga enkulu kakhulu eSwitzerland.

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Futhi zonke ezinye izihloko ezisazoxoxwa nazo
zingase zibe ezibalulekile, kodwa aziyona inkinga enkulu.

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Ngikuzwa, ngiyabona ukuthi idemokhrasi eqondile iyancipha amandla,
isongelwa, ubukhosi busongelwa, futhi asisazimele ngempela.

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Ushilo lo mkhokhelo ekugcineni.
Ngithanda ukuhlola lokhu kancane okwengeziwe.

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Lena imali ebizwa ngokuthi imali yokungena
emakethe, empeleni iyithikithi lokungena kule makethe.

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Kungani kuyindlela eyodwa kuphela? I-EU
nayo inokufinyelela emakethe yaseSwitzerland.

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Kungani iSwitzerland ingakhokhisi imali enjalo?

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Lokhu ukungalingani kwavela
kanjani? Futhi kungani kubonakala kangaka?

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Manje sesizwile futhi emithonjeni ehlukene ukuthi i-EU
ibonakala ifuna izigidi eziningana zemali njalo ngonyaka.

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Lokho kushesha kufinyelela kumabhiliyoni ambalwa
ngesikhathi esifushane. Lokho kwenzeka kanjani?

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Ngokombono we-EU – ngangiseBrussels
nethimba lezithunywa ngokushesha nje ngemva

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kokwehluleka kwezingxoxo zokuqala ngoNovemba 2021.

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– EBrussels, iSwitzerland ihlale iboniswa njengomkhethi omkhulu
futhi ithola inzuzo e-European Union, yingakho kumele sikhokhe.

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Manje cabanga ukuthi i-US ithengiselana
ne-EU, noma i-China ithengiselana ne-EU –

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akekho ongacabanga ukukhokhisa imali ngalokho.

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Futhi maqondana nobudlelwano phakathi
kweSwitzerland ne-EU, sisathenga cishe amabhiliyoni

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angama-20 ngonyaka kunalokho esikuthengayo kubo.

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Ngakho-ke siyikhasimende elihle kakhulu le-European Union, futhi
empeleni i-EU kufanele ikhokhele imali kithi, hhayi thina kuyo.

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Ngakho umhlaba uyahlanya, futhi i-EU ilindele
ukuthi lokhu kusekelwe kumodeli yaseNorway.

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Futhi ungabala cishe ukuthi kungase kufike
ku-bhiliyoni ngonyaka esizodinga ukukukhokha e-EU.

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Ngakho-ke akunakuqondakala nhlobo, futhi
angisiqondi nokuthi kungani iKhonsili Kazwelonke

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ingakafaki lokhu ezingxoxweni kusukela ekuqaleni.

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Ngakho-ke lezi zihloko azisaxoxwa eBrussels.

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Kungani kunjalo? Ingabe uhulumeni wesifundazwe
ulahlekelwe indlela yawo? Akubalulekile kubo lokhu?

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Ingabe bayazisa ezinye izinto kangaka kangangokuthi
bathi, "Akuyona inkinga, kungcono sikhokhe

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ibhiliyoni ngoba sizothola okuningi kakhulu ngokubuyisela?"

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Le nto ehlukile ingaba yini? Yini
ukuhlakanipha, yini umqondo weKhonsili Yezwe?

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Kumele sibuyele emuva. Ngo-26 Meyi 2021,
uMkhandlu Wefederal waphazamisa izingxoxo eBrussels.

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Ngaleso sikhathi, uMongameli Parmelin wavela phambi kwezindaba
noNksz von der Leyen – owayemi lapho enobuso obungashintshi

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– wamtshela wathi: "Asikwazi ukusayina lesi sivumelwano."

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Kwathi-ke kwenzeka lokhu okulandelayo eBern: ezinye
izinhlangano zangenelela – ngobuningi – kuKhonsili yoMbuso:

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Akwenzeki; kumele aqale izingxoxo ezintsha.

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Ignazio Cassis, uNgqongqoshe Wezangaphandle, wathi ngaleso
sikhathi: "Asisoze sisayine Isivumelwano Sesisekelo 2.0."

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Kodwa lokho akwenzile manje kubi
kakhulu kunesivumelwano sesakhiwo 2.0.

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Ngoba ngaleso sikhathi lezi zimali bezingafakiwe e-EU.

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Kanti-ke iSwitzerland yakhokha ngaphandle kwemibandela
ibhiliyoni lama-franc aseSwitzerland e-EU ngoSepthemba 2021.

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Abantu eBern bazizwa benecala.

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Ngiyakhumbula futhi ukuthi kwakukhona abezepolitiki abaya
eBrussels baxolisa egameni leSwitzerland. Zicabange nje.

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Futhi yilowo moya owaholela iKhonsili
Yasefederal ukuba ibuyele ezingxoxweni ne-EU.

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Ngalesi sikhathi, ngeshwa, angikholwa ukuthi
iKhonsili Kazwelonke izoyeka lo msebenzi ngokwayo.

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Kungenzeka – cishe ngokuqinisekile – ukuthi
uzoyiletha lokhu ePhalamende futhi ekugcineni kubavoti.

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Khona-ke futhi kuvela umbuzo omkhulu: "Ingabe
lokhu kufanele kwenziwe ngokuvumelana kwamazwe

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amaningi noma ngokuvumelana kwabantu abaningi kuphela?"

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Iqiniso nje lokuthi lokhu akuyona into eyenziwa ngokujwayelekile,
nokuthi kudingeka iningi lamacantoni, kukhombisa nje

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ukuthi abantu bayazi ukuthi inani labantu libucayi kakhulu –
futhi bafuna ngisho nokudlula iningi lamacantoni kulokhu.

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Manje sekukhona i-Compass Initiative, efuna ngempela ukufeza into
efanayo, okungukuthi yonke i-demokhrasi –

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kuhlanganise namacantoni – ibe nethuba lokukhuluma.
Yilokho okubhekiswa kukho ngokuthi iningi lamacantoni.

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Nani niyabasomabhizinisi – njengoba
sishilo ekuqaleni – hhayi nje abezepolitiki.

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Kudingeka ini ukuze uqhubekele phambili
eYurophu kwezebhizinisi, ekuthengiseni?

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Ingabe kudingeka noma yiziphi izivumelwano ezikhethekile nhlobo,
noma yiluphi uhlobo lwesakhiwo

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sezepolitiki – hhayi ngqo izivumelwano zesakhiwo –
kodwa yiluphi uhlobo lwesakhiwo oludingekayo?

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Ingabe ukuhweba okungenamithiyo kuyanele? Noma yini umqondo
onayo empeleni njengesinye isixazululo kunokuhlanganiswa

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okuqinile kwezinhlangano okufunwa yi-EU, eBrussels naseBern?

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Ngiyafisa ukuqala ngokuthi lokhu nakho
kubalulekile kimina: asifuni impi ne-EU.

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Ngokungeqondile, nami angijabuli uma i-EU nayo ingaphumeleli.

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Akenzi kahle. I-EU ayikho esimweni esihle sezomnotho.

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Ngempela angitholi lutho lokuzijabulisa ngalokhu, kodwa
ekugcineni sithakazelela ubudlelwano obuhle ne-European Union.

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Singaphinde siqedele izivumelwano eziningi ne-EU njengoba sifisa.

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Kodwa okungamukeleki ukuthi thina – futhi lo kwakuyumyalezo
obaluleke kakhulu ongavunyelwe uMongameli we-Federal

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uParmelin ukusho egameni leKhomishini Yase-Federal ngaleso
sikhathi – ekugcineni kumele sikhulume ngokusobala ne-EU:

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Asikwazi futhi ngeke singene kunoma yiziphi
izivumelwano ezidinga ukuthi samukele imithetho yenu.

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Futhi lezi yizinzuzo kwezomnotho kanye nemihluko ezosisiza ukuthi
sigqame esikhathini esizayo – yize singelizwe elinamuholo ephezulu

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– uma sinezimo ezikhangayo kakhulu, uma sinezintela eziphansi,
uma sinezimiso zomsebenzi ezikhululekile kakhulu kunezo zase-EU.

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Futhi zonke lezi zinzuzo zisiza
iSwitzerland ukuba iphumelele esikhathini eside.

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Futhi uma kudingeka siguqule konke lokhu,
sizobuyela ebangeni eliphakathi elijwayelekile laseYurophu.

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Khona-ke ngeke kube nezinhlukano zomthetho ezisele.

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Lokhu kubizwa ngokuthi "level playing field" ngolimi lwanamuhla.

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Ngakho-ke konke kuhambisana nensimbi. Wonke
umuntu unemithetho efanayo. Futhi asifuni lokho.

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Asifuni izinduku zokosa ezinobude
obufanayo, sifuna izinduku zokosa ezinde.

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Bese siyaqhubeka siphumelela kwezomnotho.