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Ke na le tlotla ea ho bua le Stefan Magnet, mohlophisi
le moqapi, hlooho ea ketsahalo eohle, molaoli oa AUF1.

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Stefan, o ikutlwa jwang hona jwale kamora
letsatsi lena le letle haholo, le maobane le yona?

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Ho etsahetse lintho tse ngata, o ne o batloa haholo.

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Ho ne ho hloka tlhophiso e makatsang, joalokaha u
bona, leha o e-s'o ka o etsa ntho e joalo pele.

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U phela joang? Na e fihlelletse seo u neng u se lebelletse?

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Na o kile wa ba le kopano eo o neng o e bona ka mahlo a kelello?

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E, ke imolohile ebile ke thabile haholo, 'me hoa
qabola hore ebe u bua joalo, hobane ha u e bona ka

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mahlo a kelello, u ka boela oa bona matla a mehopolo.

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Likhoeling tse 'maloa tse fetileng, ha ke hlokomela
hore ruri ke batla ho etsa sena, ke ile ka

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iponela ka mahlo a kelello kamoo se ka etsahalang kateng.

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Mme ke sona hantle se etsahetseng.

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E ne e le batho ba mona. Sebaka sa mona se
setle haholo. Moea le matla li matla haholo.

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Mme ke imolohile hore e tsamaile hantle ntle le kgitla.

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Ka lehlakoreng le leng, mathata a ka
'nang a bakiloe ke lehlakore le leng.

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Ka mokhoa oa rona oa boqhekanyetsi le oa ho ela hloko
tšireletso, re hlakotse taba ena 'me ra thibela hore e etsahale.

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Empa ehlile, re kopantse batho ba bangata ba tummeng
mona, mme seo se boetse se bolela boikakaso bo bongata.

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Le ho 'na e ne e le ntho e
thabisang: sena se tla ba le phello efe?

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Na e tla ba motsoako o kotsi kapa o nang le kutloano?

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Mme e ka re fa tšepo. Ho ne ho le leka-lekane haholo.

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E ne e shebane haholo le tumellano, mme sena se ile sa
bontsha hape hore batho ke dibopuwa tse kgahlehelang

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tshebedisano-mmoho. Jwale re se re bile le phihlelo eo.

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Ke thabile haholo hore tsohle li tsamaile hantle.

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A hlollele! Haeba ke hopola hantle, o boetse o boletse puong ya
hao ya pulo hoseng hona hore batho, ke hore,

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rona bohle mmoho, jwale re etsa qeto ya hore
na matla a tswa kae, le hore a tswa ho batho.

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Sena se bolela hore ha re sa itšetleha ka Davos kapa eng
kapa eng e 'ngoe. Tabeng ena, matla joale a tsoa Prague

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'me a tla ntse a fetisetsoa ho batho ka ho eketsehileng.

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Na o utlwa eka ho se ho entswe qalo mona? Mohato wa
pele wa bohlokwa oo o ka reng, re ka haha hodima ona.

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Na o na le tšepo ka 2025 mabapi le sebopeho sena?

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E, hantle, ho dihlopha tse fapaneng ho ile ha
buuwa, jwalo ka ha o bua, hore matla a tswa ho

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rona, mme matla a tswa ho mmusi ya phahameng.

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Mme motho e mong a qotsa polelo e tsebahalang:
"Bomampodi bo ho ba behang boemo ba tsietsi," mme re fane ka

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tlhokomelo e tebileng haholo mabapi le boemo bona ba tsietsi.

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Re se re nahane le ho buisana ka seo re ka se etsang haeba ho ka
hlaha boemo bo bong ba tšohanyetso, hobane ha

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re sa batla ho ba mahlatsipa a sa nkeng
khato; re batla ho lula re itokiselitse esale pele.

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Mme re batla ho leba pele ho seo se ka
tlang, re hokahane, mme re sebetse mmoho.

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Mme ho se ho bile le diphetho tse molemo, hobane re bone
hore leha re se re na le dilemo tse hlano re tseba ka

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Corona, re ntse re ka etsa ho hongata ho sebedisana mmoho.

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Sena se senotse liphoso tseo re tla li lokisa hona joale.

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Mme ho ya ka pono eo, ke nahana hore e bile ntho e hahang haholo,
ka lehlakoreng le leng mabapi le seo se ka fanwang ka sona, e

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leng dikahare tseo bohle re tlo di hasa, empa hape le mabapi le
seo re se nkang le rona, moo re tlo

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tswelapele ho ithuta, le moo re tlo tswelapele ho
tsepamisa matsapa a rona dikgweding tse tlang.

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Mme ke na le tšepo ka 2025.

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Ka lehlakoreng le leng, e tla ba selemo se boima haholo.

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Ho reretsoe mathata a mangata, ho tloha ntoeng ho isa ho ho
putlama ha moruo le ho amohuoa thepa,

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tsohle li kenyelelitsoe. Mohlomong esita le puso
e sehlōhō e ncha ea bohloeki. Ha re tsebe.

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Empa seo re se tsebang ke hore re batla ho tswela
pele ho hola, hore re batla ho sebetsa mmoho

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haholoanyane, mme ke ka lebaka leo ke nang le tshepo.

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Ka tšokelo e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe, tsamaiso e
boetse e lahleheloa ke batho ba e tšepang, 'me seo

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se se se etsahetse makhetlo a mangata kajeno.

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Hang ha motho a tloha tsamaisong ena hobane a tsoha mme a
hlokomela hore mashano a sebetsa mona, o se a loketse ho fetoha.

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Mme ka hodima tsohle, a ke ke a hlola a
kgutlela tsamaisong, ke yona ntlha ya bohlokwa.

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Re ka sebetsa le batho bana nakong e tlang, mme re tla etsa jwalo
haholoanyane le haholoanyane ka tsietsi e nngwe le e nngwe.

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Ho hlakile, re lebile mahlong a sefefo, mahlong a
leholiotsoana, mme moo re tla bona ntho tsohle ka ho hlaka.

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Ntšoarele. Vladimir Putin oa letsa.

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E, hantle-ntle. Seo ke sa bohlokoa, ehlile.

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O tla ba teng le selemong se tlang.

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Ha e bohlokoa joaloka Kla.TV. Seo
se ne se le setle haholo, ehlile.

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Batho ba se ba thabile. O iketsetse qeto hore na o ka e tlosa.

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Kahoo e, ho jwalo feela. O ka bona
hore batho ba phutholohile jwale.

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Thomas o bile sethaleng lihora tse 14. Ehlile, hona joale o na
le tsoekere e tlase maling 'me o hloka ho etsa ntho e monate.

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Hoo hohle ho lokile, dintho di tsamaya jwalo mona, ke nnete eo.

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E, ke nahana hore re leba dinakong tse thabisang,
mme ke tshepa hore ho tla ba le karolo e latelang.

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Leha ho le jwalo, re kgothaleditswe ka
botlalo mme re batla ho tswela pele.

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Ho tla itshetleha ka dintlha tse mmalwa, ho
kenyeletsa le batšehetsi, hore na e ka

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sebetsa, kaha tsohle di tsheheditswe ka ditlhahiso.

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Empa ke dumela hore ha batho ba bona seo
re se fihlellang, ba tla re tshehetsa.

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Re ile ra mema mecha ea phatlalatso e mengata haholo ea mahala.

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Hape le Kla.TV, Report 24, PI-News, jj.,
hobane re thahasella ho sebetsa mmoho.

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Re na le merero ea rona. Re tlameha ho iphumanela
hore na re ka iphedisa joang linakong tsena tse thata.

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Empa re tlameha ho sebetsa 'moho. Seo ha se
bolele hore bohle re tla nyalana hona joale.

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Ke na le boiphihlelo bo lekaneng lekaleng
leo. Ke na le mosadi, ke na le bana, ke thabile.

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Empa ruri re lokela ho sebetsa 'moho
morero ka morero. Hoo ke habohlokoa haholo.

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Haeba re bona hore ho na le morero oo re lokelang
ho sebetsa 'moho ho oona, re tlameha ho etsa joalo.

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Ha ho na le boemo ba tšohanyetso, re tlameha ho thusana.

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Taba ke ena. 'Me ke lona ntlha. Ha re sa
tlo kopana beke e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe tse tharo.

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Empa hang ka selemo re lokela ho kgona ho e laola.

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Ho lokile haholo. Ke kamoo o ileng wa ikutlwa
kateng ha o tsamaya mona, esita le nakong ya

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dikhefu, ha batho bohle ba ntse ba phalla ba tswa.

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Ho ne ho sa bonahale eka ho na le ngangisano ka lintlha tse
qaqileng; ho e-na le hoo, ho ne ho lula ho bonahala eka

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batho ba ne ba batla moo ba ka kopanang teng, ba shebane kaofela
tabeng e neng e le teng, e le hore re ka nka lebelo hammoho.

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Ke nahana hore matla a tswang ho
sena a hlolla ruri. Ke leboha haholo.

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Re sa tsoa botsa libui tse fapaneng potso e 'ngoe.

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Hona joale ho ne ho se ho etsoa merero e meholo haholo, e
akaretsang babuelli ba molao, bo-ramahlale le boralitaba.

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Mohlaleng, moshebelli ea tloaelehileng ea
lapeng, ea lutseng moo, joale o shebelletse lenaneo.

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A ka etsa eng hantle-ntle? Nka re, maemong ana, haeba ho na
le tlhokomelo e eketsehileng 'me re kanna ra se hlole re khona

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ho natefeloa ke tsohle inthaneteng joalokaha re etsa kajeno.

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Sehlooho sa thibelo ea likoluoa, haholoholo ho
theha marang-rang a libaka. Na u tšehetsa seo?

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O re: Bamameli ba ratehang, e, iketsetseng marang-rang
sebakeng sa heno. Etsang bonnete ba hore ba le tseba.

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Ke sona senotlolo. Kahoo Kevin o itse offline ke bio e ncha.

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Re tlameha feela ho theha maqhama le ka ntle ho marang-rang.

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Ke nahana hore seo le se etsang ho Kla.TV
ka S&G, ke hore, mekhatlo ena ea phano,

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se setle haholo. Batho ba lokela ho ithusa.

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Ke ile ka amohela sena ke sa elellwe dilemong tse
ngata tse fetileng, empa ke ne ke sa kgone ho utlwisisa

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boholo bo boholo boo tsohle sena se etsahalang ho bona.

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Ke nahana hore ke ntho e ntle hore ebe le se le
ntse le phethahatsa merero e etelletseng pele mona.

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Mme re hloka ho theha dikamano. Re hloka ho
sebedisana le dihlopha tse amehang tsa phapanyetsano.

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Re tlameha ho netefatsa hore re fumana dijo tsa rona ho tswa ho
bafepedi ba sebakeng sa heso, haholoholo ho balemi ba

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metswalle, bao re ka ntseng re fumana dijo ho bona nakong ya
tsietsi – le ntle le setifikeiti sa bohloeki kapa khoutu ya QR.

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Kahoo tsena ke mefuta ea lintho moo o tlamehang ho
theha likamano. Thibelo ea likoluoa, leha ho le joalo.

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Kahoo re lokela ruri ho etsa sohle seo mmuso o
ntseng o re dumella ho se etsa kajeno, sohle seo

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re dumelletsweng ho se etsa ho itokisetsa tsietsi.

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Ho bohlokwa haholo ho dula o na le
phepelo e lokileng ha ho hlaha ntho e itseng.

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Mme re fumane dintho tse tharo sehlopheng sa rona sa mecha
ya phatlalatso tseo motho ka mong a ka di etsang ho

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itokisetsa le ho matlafatsa mekgwa ya rona e meng ya tshebetso.

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Ka lehlakoreng le leng, seo se ne se
bolela ho hana hohle moo ho khonehang.

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Sena se bolela hore o se ke wa
tsamaisana le yena ha ho sa hlokehe.

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Kahoo, lintho tsohle tse laoloang ke tsamaiso, haholo-holo
ha ho na le mekhoa e mecha ea khatello, li lokela ho haneloa.

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Ho phatlalatsa tlhahisoleseding, thuto, tsebo,
khothatso, empa hape le mecha e meng ea phatlalatso.

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Mme ya boraro e ne e le ho fana ka
tshehetso. Tshehetso ka mefuta e mengata e fapaneng.

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Hore na ke baitseki ba hlokang
tšehetso ea lehae hobane ba etsa ho hong.

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Hore na bana ke balemi ba hlokang tšehetso ka nakoana.

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Hore na ke boipelaetso kapa mecha e meng ea
phatlalatso, le tsona ka linako tse ling li hloka chelete,

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hobane 'ha ho letho le etsahalang ntle le chelete'.

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Kahoo ho hlakile hore haeba o batla ho
fihlella dintho tse kgolo, o boetse o hloka tjhelete.

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Lintho tsena kaofela. Ho na le lintho tsena
tse tharo: ho hana, ho hasanya le ho tšehetsa.

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Mang kapa mang a ka etsa seo. Mme o inahanele ka
bouena: nka ikarabella joang mme ka kenya letsoho?

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Nka etsa'ng? Na nka kenya letsoho
le ho feta thusong ea baahisani?

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Na nka qala mokgatlo? Na nka fetisetsa
tsebo ho ba bang? Nahana ka seo o ka se etsang.

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Hase bohle ba ratang ho ba ka pele ho khamera kamehla.

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Hase bohle ba batlang ho etsa ho hong ka mecha
ea litaba, ka khanyetso kapa ka boipelaetso.

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Hangata hoa khathatsa. Empa ho na le menyetla e meng:

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Empa ho na le menyetla e meng. Nahana: Nka
etsa'ng? Le hore na ho lokela ho etsoa'ng.

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Hobane haeba u sa etse letho, ba bang ba
tla etsa. Ke sona se sebe ka ho fetisisa.

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Re tšehetsa taba ena kaofela, ehlile, 'me re na le litebello le
litšepo tse kholo haholo. 'Me rea leboha ka mantsoe ao a qetello.

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Le mahlohonolo bakeng sa mantsiboea o
setseng, ke tšepa hore o tla ba le nako e monate.

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Mohlomong tsitsipano e se e fokotsehile hanyane hona
joale. Nka nahana hore o ntse o jere boima bo boholo.

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Nka rata ho bua mantsoe a seng makae. Kea leboha ka ho ba mona.

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Ke thabile haholo hore ebe le arabetse pitso ea ho nka karolo
mona le ho tlaleha ka ketsahalo ena. Sena se bohlokoa haholo.

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Kahoo tšebelisano-'moho ke eona senotlolo, 'me ke thabile haholo
ka seo. Tsoelang pele le tšehetse bashebelli,

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ho kenyeletsoa le Kla.TV. Hobane ke eona
feela tsela eo e ka sebetsang ka eona. Kea leboha.

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Ho lokile haholo, kea leboha, Stefan.

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Elsa Mittmannsgruber oa AUF1 o mona le 'na.

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Joalokaha ke utloile, mothehi kapa hape mohlahisi oa
mohopolo oa kopano ea selemo sena mona ho Alternative WEF.

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Mof. Mittmannsgruber, maikutlo a hao ke afe
ka seboka ho fihlela jwale, ka letsatsi la

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bobedi? O ntse o phela jwang? A o kgotsofetse?

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E, ke thabile haholo. Ho na le moea oa
'nete oa tšepo mona ka har'a likamore tsena.

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Ho ile ha hlahisoa lihlooho tse ling tse
thabisang haholo le tse tsosang khang.

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Batho ba ile ba bua seo ba se nahanang ntle le
ho ikhathatsa, hape ba leka ho fumana litharollo.

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Mme ke na le tshepo ya hore re ka haha hodima sena
le hore ntho e kgolo haholo e ntse e ka hlahela.

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E, ho lokile haholo. Kahoo e re fa tšepo. U
ka bona matla, a nepahetse, u ka a utloa.

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Na o dumela hore ho a kgonahala ho hlola karohano ena, hore
mekgatlo yohle ya phatlalatso, borasaense le babuelli ba molao ba

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ka sebetsa mmoho bakeng sa bokamoso bo tshwanang ntle le ho
dumellana ka ntho tsohle hona jwale? Empa ho

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ena le hoo, jwalo ka ha ho boletse pele, ho
tsepamiswe maikutlo ntlheng ena e le nngwe?

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Ke nahana hore kamehla ho thata hore
bohle ba tsamaee ka nqa e le 'ngoe.

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Empa kamehla ho ba le lehlakore le leng le nang le boima
bo boholoanyane, le mpa le beha moea le ho khetha tataiso.

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Ka nako e telele, e ne e le lehlakore la lefatshe ka bophara, mme
ke na le tshepo ya hore jwale ke lehlakore le leng

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le nkang mehato ya ho itwanela mme le ka etsa
phapang ya nnete hape la kgothatsa batho ba bangata.

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Ruri ke nako ea phetoho. Seo se hlakile.

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Re na le potso e le 'ngoe ea ho qetela, eo re e
botsitseng bohle. E leng: U nahana'ng ka marang-rang a

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ikemetseng ho inthanete – ke hore, sebakeng ka sebele?

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Ho sa tsotellehe hore na ke bashebelli ba AUF1 kapa ba Kla.TV,
batho ba sebakeng sa ketsahalo ha ba itshetlehe feela ka

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mecha ya phatlalatso ya inthaneteng, empa hape ba theha
marangrang a lehae dinakong tsa thibelo ya phatlalatso.

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Na taba ena ke ea bohlokoa e leng haufi le pelo ea hau?

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Ke ntlha ya bohlokwa haholo.

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Bothata ke hore bo thibetsoe feela.

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Kahoo ho thata ho nahana re hlophisa kopano kapa seboka kapa
ketsahalo e kholo naheng ea Jeremane kapa Austria hajoale.

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Hang ha sebaka se phatlalalitsoe, re tobana le
boiphetetso 'me sebaka se hlakoloa hape hobane bahlophisi ba

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tšohile haholo feela 'me ba tlas'a khatello e kholo.

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Ka bomalimabe, ke yona bothata ba nnete.

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Ha jwale ha re sheba dinaha tse ding, jwalo ka ha re
entse, ho a kgonahala mme, ehlile, ho bohlokwa haholo hore re

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bonane ka seqo, re thehe dikamano ka seqo le ho buisana.

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Ke khemistri e fapaneng ka ho feletseng,
le moea o fapaneng, ha o ipona kannete.

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Kajeno, ke boetse ke kopane le batho ba bangata bao ho
fihlela jwale ke neng ke buisane le bona feela ka Zoom, mme ke

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kgonne ho ba tshwara ka matsoho ka seqo ka lekgetlo la pele.

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E ne e le maikutlo a monate haholo, hape e
etsa hore u ikutloe u le matla haholoanyane.

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Ho boetse ho na le matla a mangata haholo, matla a ho susumetsa
a maholo ha o mpa o utlwa matla ao ha bohle ba le teng.

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Empa e, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, ka bomadimabe
hoo ho na le bothata bo itseng, empa re ntse

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re etsa sohle se matleng a rona ho fetola seo.

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U ka bona hore e kholo haholo ebile e le tona.

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Empa jwale bamamedi ba lehae ba hokahana, e
leng ntho e utlwahalang sebakeng sa heno le

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dibakeng tse haufi, ntle le ho itshetleha ka rona.

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Ehlile, e, ruri.

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Ehlile, hoo ke habohlokoa haholo, le ho ba hole le lefatshe
la dijithale, hobane moo, o tobetsa konopo feela mme o fela.

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E, hantle-ntle, 'me ke 'nete hore ke kamoo
ho leng kateng – khanyetso e ntse e hola.

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Ha le theha dihlopha tse nyane tsa dibaka, tsohle di qala di le
nyane, ebe di ka hokahana, dintho kaofela di a

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hola di ntse di hola, mme ke moo o bonang
kannete hore na ba bakae, hore na rona re bakae.

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Kea leboha haholo ka puisano ena.

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Kea tseba hore o batloa haholo mona, le hape o le tseleng hohle.

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Kea leboha ka nako ea lona, 'me ke le
lakaletsa mahlohonolo le katleho kopanong.

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