WEBVTT 00:00.291 --> 00:06.839 Ya kamata mutane, masu inshora da marasa lafiya su sani cewa sa ido kan magunguna a Jamus ya 00:06.839 --> 00:11.216 karye gaba ɗaya dangane da waɗannan alluran rigakafi. 00:11.216 --> 00:18.430 Don haka wata babbar hukuma ta gwamnati ce wadda a fili take aiwatar da shirin: ba a so a katse sayar da alluran rigakafi. 00:18.430 --> 00:27.434 Tsohuwar shugabar sashen tsaron magunguna a Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich, Dr Keller-Stanislawski, ta amsa gaban kwamitin bincike na 00:27.434 --> 00:33.657 Brandenburg a watan Satumba 2023 cewa hukumar Jamus ta sha wahala kwarai wajen rubuta 00:33.657 --> 00:37.990 yawan illolin da ke tattare da allurar rigakafin. 00:37.990 --> 00:45.410 Kla.TV ta ruwaito . Duk da haka, an zargi Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich da cewa ba ta cika nauyinta na bincike da kuma 00:45.410 --> 00:52.630 rubuta illolin alluran rigakafi yadda ake buƙata ba tun kafin barkewar cutar coronavirus. 00:52.630 --> 01:00.360 Dr Klaus Hartmann, wanda ya yi aiki na tsawon shekaru goma a Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich a Sashen Tsaron Magunguna, ya bar cibiyar 01:00.360 --> 01:07.588 saboda ya shaida yadda ta mayar da martani cikin matuƙar rashin inganci kuma da jinkiri sosai lokacin da ake zargin 01:07.588 --> 01:15.904 allurar rigakafi sau shida da kasancewa sanadin karuwar yawan lamuran abin da ake kira 'sudden infant death syndrome'. 01:15.904 --> 01:22.094 A wancan lokacin, yawan jarirai masu ban mamaki ne suka mutu a shekara biyu – daidai lokacin da ake 01:22.094 --> 01:26.063 ba da alluran rigakafi na farko na yau da kullum. 01:26.063 --> 01:34.586 Wani bincike da aka tsara don bincika wannan alaƙa an samu babban tallafi daga masu kera alluran rigakafi da ke 01:34.586 --> 01:39.516 da alhakin mutuwarsa da alluran rigakafi na guda shida. 01:39.516 --> 01:45.476 Saboda haka, binciken bai sami wata alaƙa ba. 01:45.476 --> 01:53.527 Masu suka ga alluran rigakafi kuma marubuci Wolfram Klingele, wanda ya yi nazari sosai kan wannan binciken, 01:53.527 --> 02:01.756 ya ce an yi magudi da bayanai tun farko sannan aka kara kawata su a cikin kimantawa ta ƙarshe. 02:01.756 --> 02:09.060 A Jamus, ana rikodin illolin maganin rigakafi ta hanyar abin da ake kira 'tsarin rahoto na kai 02:09.060 --> 02:13.730 tsaye' bayan Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ta amince da shi. 02:13.730 --> 02:18.890 Wannan yana nufin cewa mutanen da abin ya shafa, likitoci da masu sayar da magunguna ya kamata su ba 02:18.890 --> 02:22.490 da rahoton mummunan tasirin magunguna ga hukumar. 02:22.490 --> 02:32.114 A wata hira da Michael Leitner a shekarar 2013, Klaus Hartmann ya ce an riga an san tsawon shekaru da dama cewa wannan tsarin 02:32.114 --> 02:40.275 rikodin na bazata bai yi aiki ba – duk da haka ana ci gaba da amfani da shi saboda yana ba da hujja don ci 02:40.275 --> 02:45.248 gaba da nuna allurar rigakafi a matsayin abu mai sauƙi. 02:45.248 --> 02:52.327 Sai ya ce: "Idan ba ka rubuta wata matsala ba, za ka iya da ƙyamar fuska ka yi ikirarin cewa babu wata 02:52.327 --> 02:59.360 matsala, duk da cewa kana da kayan aiki marasa inganci kawai don gano ko akwai wata matsala." 02:59.360 --> 03:04.136 Wannan wata dabara ce da ta yi aiki da kyau sosai har zuwa yanzu. 03:04.136 --> 03:14.703 Kana da tsarin rikodi wanda a zahiri ba ya aiki – sannan ka yaba wa kanka saboda illolin gefe kaɗan ne. 03:14.703 --> 03:22.818 A wata hira da aka watsa a ARD a shekarar 2018, Klaus Hartmann ya ce akwai zargin da ake maimaita shi cewa 03:22.818 --> 03:30.576 Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ba ta son sanin ko akwai munanan tasirin gefe daga alluran rigakafi. 03:30.576 --> 03:37.670 "Wannan tunani ya zo mini da gaske," in ji Dr Sonja Reitz, wanda muka yi hira da ita a yau. 03:37.670 --> 03:44.116 A cikin hirar da ke tafe, ji kimantawarta kan yadda Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ke magance sabon nau'in allurar 03:44.116 --> 03:47.493 rigakafi da ake kira "allurar rigakafin coronavirus". 03:49.423 --> 03:54.514 Sannu da yamma, Dr Reitz. Kun taɓa zuwa nan a da kuma nuna matuƙar rashin gamsuwa da aikin Cibiyar 03:54.514 --> 03:57.936 Paul Ehrlich. Me za ku iya faɗa mana game da hakan? 03:57.936 --> 04:06.117 Eh, wannan lamari ne mai matuƙar muhimmanci saboda jama'a na dogaro da wannan cibiyar, wadda ake sa ran ita ce mai kula da 04:06.117 --> 04:12.286 tsaron magunguna a Jamus, kuma a al'ada ita ke da alhakin amincewa da alluran rigakafi da sa 04:12.286 --> 04:15.463 ido kan tsaron magunguna da alluran rigakafi. 04:15.463 --> 04:20.883 Eh, abin matuƙar farin ciki ne a nan tare da sabbin alluran rigakafin coronavirus ɗinmu da aka fara gabatarwa. 04:20.883 --> 04:28.870 Kuma yanzu, a shekarar 2021, mun aiwatar da wannan, mu ce, babbar kamfen na rigakafi. 04:28.870 --> 04:35.876 Na yi imani an yi allurai miliyan ɗari da talatin a shekarar 2021. 04:35.876 --> 04:41.293 Wannan na nufin cewa mafi yawan mutane sun yi allurar rigakafi sau biyu, wasu kuma sau uku. 04:41.293 --> 04:44.250 Har zuwa yanzu, an yi allurar kashi miliyan 192. 04:44.250 --> 04:53.596 Kuma yanzu an amince da wannan allurar rigakafi daga EMA, Hukumar Magunguna ta Turai, wadda PEI ke aiki tare da ita sosai. 04:53.596 --> 04:58.256 Duk da haka, PEI na da aikin sa ido kan aminci na magunguna a Jamus. 04:58.256 --> 05:04.453 Kuma abin da muke gano yanzu shi ne cewa Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ba ta bi diddigin alamu da 05:04.453 --> 05:08.256 dama da ke nuna haɗarin waɗannan sinadarai ba. 05:08.256 --> 05:13.606 Akwai alamomi daga farfesoshi cewa akwai gurɓatawa a cikin waɗannan abubuwa, duka gurɓatawa da ido za a 05:13.606 --> 05:19.150 iya gani da kuma gurɓatawa da ake gani ne kawai a ƙarƙashin mikroskōp, tare da hujjoji da shaida. 05:19.150 --> 05:25.543 Kuma PEI ta ce ba su da sha'awar wannan, suna dogaro ne kan bayanan mai kera kuma ba sa bincika shi da kansu. 05:25.543 --> 05:32.483 Akwai ƙungiyoyi da dama na farfesoshi. Na san cewa Farfesa Burkhardt ya rubuta wa Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich a ranar 21 05:32.483 --> 05:36.303 ga Maris cewa akwai ƙazanta, kuma ana zargin gurɓatawa. 05:36.303 --> 05:39.303 Gidan Nazarin Paul Ehrlich ya yi watsi da shi kuma bai yi komai ba. 05:39.303 --> 05:46.491 Sa'an nan wasu farfesoshi suka ga cewa a cikin waɗannan maganin rigakafi akwai bambance-bambancen launi sosai. 05:46.491 --> 05:51.646 Sun rubuta cewa a can an kuma nuna shi a cikin Berliner Zeitung ko wani labari ya bayyana. 05:51.646 --> 05:56.573 An karɓi wannan wasiƙa a Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich kuma ba ta yi komai ba; an tunatar da ita, amma har yanzu ba ta yi komai ba. 05:56.573 --> 05:59.336 Kuma baya gudanar da kowace bincike ko duba. 05:59.336 --> 06:05.752 Sun so ganin binciken da aka buga kuma masana suka duba, maimakon su ce wannan zargi ne mai tsanani, musamman 06:05.752 --> 06:09.636 tunda duk waɗannan abubuwan… ba a yi musu bincike sosai ba. 06:09.636 --> 06:16.056 Sinadarin da aka samar don amfani da yawa gaba ɗaya ya bambanta da wanda aka yi amfani da shi a cikin nazarin amincewa. 06:16.056 --> 06:24.810 Wannan ya kara nuna dalilin da ya sa ya kamata Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ta yi ƙoƙari ta bincika tasirin gefe sosai. 06:24.810 --> 06:30.623 Mutane takwas sun mutu a daren allurar farko yayin binciken amincewa, abin da mafi yawan mutane ba su 06:30.623 --> 06:34.170 sani ba saboda ba a ambace su a cikin binciken amincewa. 06:34.170 --> 06:36.610 Za ka iya kuma kiran wannan sarrafawa. 06:36.610 --> 06:44.643 Sun haɗa ne kawai marasa lafiya da suka karɓi allurar rigakafi ta biyu, sannan suka gudanar da bincikensu. 06:44.643 --> 06:49.876 Don haka sama da mutane 1,200 ne suka ɓace; ba su taɓa samun allurar rigakafi ta biyu ba. Takwas sun mutu. 06:49.876 --> 06:56.133 Don haka kawai ina so in ce cewa, da sanin wannan bayanin – Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ta san game da waɗannan abubuwa – ya kamata 06:56.133 --> 06:59.350 su aiwatar da wani tsarin sa ido gaba ɗaya daban nan take. 06:59.350 --> 07:04.170 Muna buƙatar mu yi nazari sosai kan ayyukan kiwon lafiya: ta yaya yawan cututtuka ke canzawa a aikace? 07:04.170 --> 07:07.690 Nawa ne illa na gefe ke faruwa? Ta hanyar tambaya mai aiki. 07:07.690 --> 07:10.759 Don haka ba ta hanyar bincika ba tare da tsari ba wanda ke ba da rahoto game da abin 07:10.759 --> 07:12.556 da, sai dai ta hanyar yin tambayoyi kai tsaye. 07:12.556 --> 07:16.681 Amma wani abu kuma shi ne cewa sun yi wani irin magudi da bayanai lokacin da suka cire 07:16.681 --> 07:19.710 waɗannan mutane takwas daga cikin binciken amincewa. 07:19.710 --> 07:25.376 Ba Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ba ce, kamfanin Pfizer kai tsaye ne, wato masu kera. 07:25.376 --> 07:31.696 Kuma kamfanin Pfizer an san shi sosai da wannan; an riga an kai shi kotu sau uku a Amurka, inda ya biya biliyoyin 07:31.696 --> 07:35.323 daloli a matsayin diyya saboda yaudarar binciken amincewa. 07:35.323 --> 07:42.277 Don haka, lokacin da muke sanya hannu kan kwangiloli da Pfizer, ba mu yi hakan da wata kamfani da ba a san ta ba 07:42.277 --> 07:49.116 wadda take da kyakkyawan suna ba, amma muna yin hakan da kamfani da aka same shi da laifuka sau da dama. 07:49.116 --> 07:56.560 Wannan ya sa ya zama da matukar muhimmanci a duba wannan sabuwar fasaha sosai, wadda darajarta ta kai fam 07:56.560 --> 08:03.250 biliyan biyu – kudi da 'yan siyasa suka biya – amma wadda kuma ke ɗauke da haɗari masu girma. 08:03.250 --> 08:10.333 Ms Keller-Stanislawski daga Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ta ruwaito mutuwa fiye da goma da ake zargi a ranar 10 ga Janairu 08:10.333 --> 08:14.650 2021, bayan kwanaki 14 kacal tun farkon yakin yaki na rigakafi. 08:14.650 --> 08:19.585 Kuma tun daga watan Yuni 2021 zuwa gaba, mun ga tashin gwauron zabo na mutuwar mutane a cikin kididdiga 08:19.585 --> 08:24.450 gabaɗaya, waɗanda ke ci gaba da ƙaruwa kuma su tashi kwatsam lokacin da aka yi allurar ƙarin kariya. 08:24.450 --> 08:27.736 Daga kaka ta 2021, wannan zai sake tashi sosai. 08:27.736 --> 08:38.721 Kuma tun daga lokacin har zuwa ƙarshen shekarar 2022, mun sami karin mutuwar da ba a bayyana ba fiye da 120,000. 08:38.721 --> 08:45.892 120,000, daga cikinsu aƙalla – kamar yadda mu, ƙungiyar likitoci, muka tabbatar – sama da 100,000 dole ne a danganta 08:45.892 --> 08:49.763 su da allurar rigakafi, domin ba mu da wata hujja daban. 08:49.763 --> 08:57.022 Kuma a irin wannan yanayi – waɗannan lambobi su ne na Destatis , bayanan jama'a – na Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich, RKI, kowa ya kamata ya 08:57.022 --> 09:02.368 ce dole ne mu duba nan take abin da ke faruwa mu kuma bi diddigin duk wata bayanai da za ta iya 09:02.368 --> 09:05.676 tabbatar da ko ta yaya ta goyi bayan wannan zargin. 09:05.676 --> 09:07.303 Kuma ainihin akasin haka ne ke faruwa. 09:07.303 --> 09:13.001 Ana ta'aziyya ga mutane, ana lallashinsu, ana gaya musu cewa sauyin yanayi ne kwatsam ya jawo 09:13.001 --> 09:16.830 waɗannan mutuwar, duk da cewa ba a samu zafin rani ba. 09:16.830 --> 09:23.703 Don haka mun tsinci kanmu cikin wani yanayi mai matukar shakku. 09:23.703 --> 09:30.496 Haka kuma, abin shakka ne domin ministan lafiyarmu a zahiri yana da cikakken sani game da abin da ke faruwa a can. 09:30.496 --> 09:33.016 Kuma bai ƙara kuɗaɗen wannan hukuma ba. 09:33.016 --> 09:39.793 Cewa ya ci gaba da ɗaukar mutane goma sha ɗaya aiki a can kuma bai ɗauki ƙarin ma'aikata ba don 09:39.793 --> 09:43.869 sarrafa tarin rahotannin illolin gefe da mutuwar da dama. 09:43.869 --> 09:48.896 Haka nan abu ɗaya ya faru a EMA, inda bayanai suka taru sosai har ba za su iya bin sa ba. 09:48.896 --> 09:51.670 Ba a gudanar da bincike kan abin da ainihin ke faruwa ba. 09:51.670 --> 09:57.323 Kuma sau da yawa ba ka ma samun tabbaci cewa ka riga ka ba da rahoton illa ta allurar rigakafi a can. 09:57.323 --> 10:03.336 Wannan yana nufin akwai dalili na zargin cewa ba ka da gaske son sanin abin da ke faruwa da wannan allurar rigakafi. 10:03.336 --> 10:07.719 Eh, wannan tunani na iya zuwa maka. Ni ma ba zan iya musanta shi ba. 10:07.719 --> 10:11.683 To, ba zan iya tabbatar da shi ba, ba zan iya shaidawa ba, amma kusan a bayyane yake. 10:11.683 --> 10:18.796 Idan daga baya ka sami amsa ga tambayarka irin wannan, misali cewa an lura da hakan a Denmark, Amurka da kuma a Jamus a wani 10:18.796 --> 10:24.934 ofishin lauyoyi da ke wakiltar tarin mutanen da allurar rigakafi ta yi wa illa, cewa kashi 15 cikin ɗari na 10:24.934 --> 10:28.630 fakitocin ne ke haifar da kashi 95 cikin ɗari na munanan illa. 10:28.630 --> 10:31.036 Wannan yana nufin cewa tarin abubuwa daban ne. 10:31.036 --> 10:34.943 Idan wani jari ya bambanta, dole ne a cire shi daga kasuwa nan take. 10:34.943 --> 10:39.356 Kuma idan an aika buƙata zuwa Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich, me zai faru sannan? 10:39.356 --> 10:41.310 Akwai bambance-bambance tsakanin kowane tarin samfur. Kuna iya ganin hakan? 10:41.310 --> 10:47.339 Sai su ce ba za mu iya daidaita lambobin fakitin da illolin gefe ba, duk da cewa dole ne a shigar da su a kowane 10:47.339 --> 10:52.908 fom , in ba haka ba takardar bayanai ba za ta yi aiki ba kwata-kwata, sai dai idan ka riga ka buga ta. 10:52.908 --> 10:56.189 Amma mafi yawan sa ana ruwaito shi a intanet, don haka babu yadda za a kauce masa. 10:56.189 --> 11:00.543 Ba za ka iya ba da rahoto game da komai ba idan ba ka shigar da lambar rukuni ba. 11:00.543 --> 11:04.903 A wannan fanni, irin wannan ikirari za a iya ganinsa ne kawai a matsayin ikirari na kariya. 11:04.903 --> 11:09.683 Sai su ce: Yaya game da duba gurɓatawa? 11:09.683 --> 11:15.800 Akwai alamomi: gurbatar DNA mai haifar da ciwon daji, gurbatar wasu sinadarai, gurbatar plasmids, dukansu masu 11:15.800 --> 11:19.483 haifar da ciwon daji, masu yiwuwar haifar da ciwon daji. 11:19.483 --> 11:24.796 Sai kuma Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich ta ce: A'a, ba ma yin gwajin tarin samfura a nan. 11:24.796 --> 11:29.956 Muna dogara ga bayanan masana'antun cewa komai yana cikin tsari a samarwa. 11:29.956 --> 11:32.846 To, ni ma ba na buƙatar sa ido kan magunguna. Wannan ba shi da ma'ana. 11:32.846 --> 11:33.756 Eh. 11:33.756 --> 11:40.596 Me amfanin sa ido idan kawai ana cewa kamfanin kera ne ya ce haka, mu kuma muna yarda da abin da kamfanin kera ya ce? 11:40.596 --> 11:45.716 Ba za a iya gaskatawa ba. Ana gudanar da binciken gani a Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich. 11:45.716 --> 11:55.530 Wannan yana nufin ka duba shi – ban ga kowanne ƙwaya yana yawo ba – kuma wannan shi ne binciken inganci da ake yi. 11:55.530 --> 12:02.664 Wannan wata dabara ce ta ɓoye gaskiya. Wannan cibiyar tana nan don tabbatar da aminci na 12:02.664 --> 12:06.356 magunguna a Jamus a ƙarƙashin Babban Hukumar Lafiya. 12:06.356 --> 12:14.230 Kuma Dokar Magunguna ta ce idan wani abu bai yi tasirin da aka yi masa alkawari ba, dole ne a janye shi daga kasuwa. 12:14.230 --> 12:18.474 Idan wani abu yana da fiye da tasirin gefe fiye da yadda aka yi alkawari, kamar yadda binciken 12:18.474 --> 12:21.030 amincewa ya nuna, dole ne a janye shi daga kasuwa. 12:21.030 --> 12:23.049 Duk wannan yana nan a nan. 12:23.049 --> 12:26.276 Wani batu da zai iya zama mai muhimmanci a kan wannan batu. 12:26.276 --> 12:30.936 Hukumar Paul Ehrlich tana aiki kan amincewa. Sun san abin da ake buƙatar bayarwa don a amince. 12:30.936 --> 12:35.808 Dole ne kowa ya gabatar da takardar shaida ta tsaro wadda ke nuna cewa ba za a haifar da 12:35.808 --> 12:38.601 ciwon daji ba kafin a amince da allurar rigakafi. 12:38.601 --> 12:40.909 Ba a samu matsala wajen haihuwa ba. 12:40.909 --> 12:45.511 Kuma a yanayin abubuwan da ke da tasiri ta fuskar gado – wato abin da muke magana a kai a nan, ko 12:45.511 --> 12:47.956 da ana kiran su rigakafi – babu wata illa ga wasu. 12:47.956 --> 12:52.696 Saboda kayan gado za su iya fita ta numfashi kuma su cutar da wasu mutane. 12:52.696 --> 12:57.483 Babu ɗaya daga cikin waɗannan nazarin tsaro guda uku da EMA ko Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich suka samu. 12:57.483 --> 13:02.083 Kuma ko kun taɓa karɓar wata sanarwar manema labarai daga Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich wadda ta ce: 13:02.083 --> 13:06.938 Hukumar Paul Ehrlich ta yi gargaɗi ga masu kera a karo na uku da su gabatar da nazarin. Ba a gabatar da su ba. 13:06.938 --> 13:10.096 Shi ya sa yanzu ake soke lasisin kawai. 13:10.096 --> 13:12.503 Shin kun karɓi wannan sanarwar manema labarai? A'a. 13:12.503 --> 13:17.810 Shin za ka yi tsammanin hakan? Eh, tabbas. To, ina wannan sanarwar manema labarai take? 13:17.810 --> 13:23.126 Babu wanda ke tabbatar da aminci magunguna a Jamus. Garin Potemkin ne. 13:23.126 --> 13:26.236 Wannan shi ne Cibiyar Paul Ehrlich. 13:26.236 --> 13:28.896 Eh, na gode ƙwarai da wannan kimantawa. Wannan ya yi matuƙar haskaka, na gode ƙwarai.