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Umlonyeni njengendlela yokuthola
amandla ekulawuleni inani labantu?

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Impilo noma ukugula njengesikhali?
Ukwelashwa kwezokwelapha njengesibamba sokufa?

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Florian Machl wase-Report24 kanye nesivakashi
sakhe uDkt. Gerd Reuther bakhanyisa isizinda

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semithi kulo lonke umlando ngezindlela ezahlukene.

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Kodwa zizwele wena uqobo njengoba uDkt. Reuther eveza
izixhumanisi ngolwazi olunzulu nolubanzi, ukuthi kungani

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ngokombono wakhe ukulangazelela inzuzo kuphela
kubonakala kunganele ukuchaza, nokuthi yini amadolobha

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emizuzu engu-15 ahlanganyela kuyo kulesi sihloko...

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Yini eseceleni kwayo? UDkt Gerd Reuther uhlaziya ukugoma, amandla
nokulawula

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https://report24.news/what-is-behind-it-dr-gerd-reuther-analys
es-vaccinations-power-and-control/] Siyakwamukela ku-Report24.

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Igama lami nginguFlorian Machl, futhi namuhla sinomfundisi
uDkt. Gerd Reuter nathi esitudiyo sethu. Siyakwamukela.

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Sawubona.

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Dokotela Reuther, kwesinye isikhathi esedlule
wabhala incwadi ephumelele kakhulu, eyakwenza waziwe

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kakhulu emphakathini jikelele, singasho kanjalo.

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Laliyizikhathi ezahluke kakhulu, lokho kwakungaphambi kuka-2020.

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Mhlawumbe singaqala ngalomsebenzi, ukuthi
yini ekugqugquzele nokuthi yini engafundwa kuwo.

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Yebo, kwakuyi "Isiguli Esikhohlisiwe", 2017, ngesikhathi lapho
ngisho nomshicileli ojwayelekile wayesazokwamukela umbhalo

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onjalo futhi kwakungenzeka ukugxeka ngokusobala uhlelo
lwezokwelapha kuzo zonke izindlela ukuze iqiniso livele obala.

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Manje sekuba nzima kakhulu.

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Futhi sekunzima kakhulu ukuletha lokhu kubantu
abaningi, ngoba sekuneziteshi zolwazi ezimbalwa.

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Kodwa okwangikhuthaza ngaleso sikhathi kwakuwukuthi bengichithe
iminyaka engu-30 empilweni yami yobungcweti

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ngibona ukuthi okuningi kwezokwelapha akulungile nje,
noma, kufanele kushiwo, kunamaphutha ayisisekelo.

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Ngoba impilo iyinto ebaluleke kakhulu, kodwa empeleni
ayihlelwanga, ngoba ngeshwa, iminyaka eyikhulu eminingi

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imboni yezokwelapha igxile ekuguleni kunokugxila empilweni.

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Kukhona isisho esidumile esithi ungazuza imali kuphela
kubantu abagulayo, hhayi kulabo abaphilile, nakuba kubonakala

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ukuthi kwakukhona ezinye izinhlelo ezazikhona ngaphambilini.

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Imibiko evela eChina ikhombisa
ukuthi izinto zazihlukile ngaphambilini.

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Wakhokhela udokotela ukuze uhlale unempilo,
okwempela kuzwakala kuthakazelisa kakhulu.

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Ungumlandisi wezempilo, okukunika isikhathi esiningi sokubheka
amaqiniso, futhi ngizwa sengathi izinto manje seziya

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ngokuya zihamba ngendlela yokugxeka umphakathi noma ukucabangela
umphakathi wonke, lapho impilo iyindaba ebaluleke kakhulu.

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Futhi saxoxa kafushane ngaphambi kwalokho; umhlaba
empeleni ubhekene nesimo esingemnandi okwamanje.

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Yebo, kuyiqiniso ukuthi intshisekelo yami kwezempilo nasekutholeni
umsebenzi ingiholele kakhulu ekubhekeni izici zomphakathi.

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Ngakolunye uhlangothi, lokhu kuwukubheka emuva
emlandweni, okubalulekile kwezokwelapha futhi okungeke

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kwenziwe ngaphandle kokucabangela izimo zomphakathi.

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Ngakho-ke umkami ungusosayensi womlando,
okuyisizathu esinye sokuhlola izimo zomlando.

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Kodwa lobu budlelwano obuseduze phakathi kwezokwelapha nomlando
buhlale bukhona, futhi sekubonakale

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ngokusobala manje nge-Covid-19 ukuthi imikhankaso
yezokwelapha isetshenziswa ukulawula umphakathi.

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Ngaphandle kokuthi lokhu kwakungeyona into yokuqala, ngoba
imithi yangempela yethulwa ngekhulu le-13 njengemithi

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yezemfundo eyunivesithi ngenhloso yokuthinta izimo zomphakathi.

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Ngaleso sikhathi, kwakuyiSonto ikakhulu
elalizama ukusungula lo msebenzi omusha wezokwelapha.

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Futhi wayedinga odokotela ngani?

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Ekugcineni, ukuze kutholakale ukuthi ubani
emphakathini ogulayo, onenkinga yezempilo.

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Ngakho-ke wazithola ngokushesha abantu abanethonya.

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Kwathi-ke kwaba mayelana namandla, mhlawumbe ifa,
ngakho abantu babefuna ukwaziswa kusenesikhathi.

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Futhi ngezinyathelo zezokwelapha ezazethulwa ngaleso sikhathi
njengomqondo wokwelapha owaziwa ngokuthi ithiyori yama-humor,

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kwakungenzeka futhi ngenhloso ukulimaza impilo yabantu.

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Ngakho-ke kwakungenzeka ukubangela izifo. Lokhu akukaze
kwenzeke kuphela esikhathini sethu, kodwa nakuleso sikhathi.

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Isibonelo, amafutha asekelwe ku-mercury
angasetshenziswa ukubangela izilonda zesikhumba

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ezithile. Bese abantu bethi umuntu une-lepra.

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Futhi i-lepra yayiyisifo esasixilongwa
ngaleso sikhathi esasiholela ekuxoshweni

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emphakathini eYurophu, kodwa hhayi kwezinye izindawo.

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Emphakathini wamaSulumane, umuntu ogula ngesifo se-lepra,
owayethola izimpawu zesikhumba ezingadla izingxenye zekhala noma

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zendlebe, wayengaqhubeka nokuphila impilo evamile emphakathini.

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Kodwa eNtshonalanga yobuKristu, iSonto liyichaze ngendlela yokuthi
umuntu kumele ashiye umphakathi – ethatha yonke impahla yakhe.

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Futhi le mpahla kwadingeka ukuthi
iphinde yabelwe abanikazi abasha.

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Ngakho-ke, leyo kwakuyindlela
esebenzayo kakhulu yokususa abantu abangafuneki.

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I-lepra yayingekho ngaphambi kokuba
ubuKristu bube inkolo ephambili eYurophu.

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Kuhlale kushiwo ukuthi lokhu
kwethulwa ngesikhathi seMpi YamaKhusade.

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Mhlawumbe bekukhona nesifo esisha esisodwa noma ezimbili.

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Kodwa lolu hlobo lokusebenzisa isifo, isifo
esibonakalayo, ukuze umuntu akhishwe emphakathini, ukumsusa.

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Ngakho-ke umuntu ofana noDonald Trump, isibonelo, angabe
ethathelwe ubuthakathaka namuhla uma wayephila ngaleso sikhathi.

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Futhi-ke, ngaphandle kwecala,
bekumele kuthiwe: Mnu Trump, siyaxolisa.

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Ngeshwa, kumele bashiye umphakathi futhi manje
kumele baphile endaweni ephephile lapha

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emaphandleni edolobha, futhi abasavunyelwe ukwenza imidlalo.

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Ngakho yilokho okwethulwa ngaleso sikhathi, okwamanje
sekubalulekile futhi nge-Covid, lapho kwathiwa khona,

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yebo, laba ngabantu abagulayo okumele bahlukaniswe
isikhathi esinqunyiwe. Ngesifo se-lepra, kwakuhlala njalo.

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Futhi ngokuhamba kwesikhathi kwezehlakalo, kwaba futhi ngumcimbi
ukusebenzisa lezi zinyathelo eziqinile ... – izinto

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eziningi ezinobuthi zaziphethwa, izinto ezinzima
ukuzicabanga namuhla: i-arsenic, i-mercury, i-antimony.

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Uma zisetshenziswa ngomthamo ofanele,
zonke lezi zaziyizinto ezibulalayo.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi noma yisiphi isifo
esilula singashintshwa sibe yindunduma yokufa.

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Futhi lokho ngokuzumayo kubonakala kusijwayelekile
nathi lapha. Kwase kusebenza kanjani nge-Covid futhi?

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Ifulu evamile, engenabo ubungozi eyayibizwa ngokuthi i-Covid.
Futhi ngemithi efanele, ikakhulukazi enyakatho ne-Italy, konke

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kwashesha kwaba yisihibe sokufa kwabantu abaningi asebekhulile.

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Bese bafa ngenxa yokuthi kwakuthiwa
bane-influenza, nakuba bafa ngenxa yokwelashwa.

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Futhi umqondo wawusethulwe kakade ngaleso sikhathi.

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Futhi uma kukhona ocabanga ukuthi engikushoyo ngiyakweqisa,
kukhona nomonki, u-Abraham a Santa Clara, owabhala ngalokhu

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ngekhulu le-18, ekushintsheni kwekhulu le-17 nelele-18, wathi:

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Yebo, umsebenzi wezokwelapha
uyilayisensi yokubulala ngaphandle kokujatshulwa.

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Futhi wayengumuntu ongaphakathi, ngakho
wayeyazi indima eyidlala imithi emphakathini.

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Futhi manje siyabona futhi konke lokhu ngenxa
yokugonywa konke; lokho nakho kuwuhlelo

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olungahambisani nempilo, kodwa okuphambene ngokuphelele.

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Futhi yonke le 'game', phakathi kwezimpawu zokucaphuna, le 'game'
embi, isenzeka ngamagagasi kusukela ngekhulu le-13, bese idlalwa

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kakhulu njengemilando yezifo lapho kunezinkinga zomphakathi.

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Uma udinga konke, njengoba manje udinga i-Covid kanye
nenhlekelele yezimali, ubhubhane wokuqala

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waqhuma ngekhulu le-14, ngonyaka ka-1347, ngemva
kwenhlekelele yamabhange eFlorence ngaleso sikhathi.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi kuhlale kunobudlelwano obuseduze
kakhulu phakathi kwezempilo nentuthuko yomphakathi, noma

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ngokunembile, izinkinga zomphakathi ezisongela abaholi ababusi.

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Futhi yilapho usebenzisa impilo njengesikhali.

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Umlando walokhu uyajabulisa kakhulu.

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Impela, ngikholelwa ukuthi kuhlale kunomfutho omkhulu.

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Uma sikhuluma ngemijovo yokugoma, kungenziwa amabhiliyoni.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi, ngokombono wami, akudingeki kube ubuqili
ngaso sonke isikhathi; angikakabi nombono oqinile ngalokhu

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okwamanje, kodwa akudingeki kube ubuqili ngaso sonke isikhathi;
kungaba nje ukugqugquzela uma uthuthukisa

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"umuthi" phakathi kwezimpawu zokucaphuna
ongawenzi lutho ngempela, okungase kube yingozi.

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Futhi ngakho ungazuza amabhiliyoni futhi
ukhuthaze ohulumeni: kubaluleke kakhulu, kusindisa

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izimpilo eziningi, wonke umuntu kumele abe nakho.

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Singabheka eMelika, isibonelo, lapho okungaphezu kuka-70
kwalawa mjeko manje sekuyimpoqo noma kuhlelwe izingane.

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Angazi ukuthi lokhu kuyaphoqelelwa kangakanani ezweni ngalinye.

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Kodwa okungenani ngiyazi ukuthi, nakuba emashumini ambalwa
eminyakeni edlule kwakukhona cishe imijovo yokugoma eyi-10 ebizwa

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ngokuthi yokuvikela, manje sekukhona cishe
imijovo eyi-100 ehlelwe ukuthi igonywe ngaphambi

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kokuba umuntu afinyelele eminyakeni engu-18.

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Kuyacaca ukuthi lokhu kuyiqhutshwa kakhulu izizathu zenzuzo,
ngoba abantu sebevele emhlabeni izigidi

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zeminyaka futhi baphile kahle kakhulu isikhathi
eside kakhulu ngaphandle kwalemijovo yokugoma.

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Kodwa ake sibheke ngokushesha eMelika.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi intshisekelo yenzuzo ayanele
naphezu kwakho konke, ngoba uma sibheka lolu hlelo,

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lube nomphumela wokuvela kwezifo eziningi ezingapheli.

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Kuyamangalisa ukuthi uRobert Kennedy Junior manje usephakamisile
ividiyo yomphakathi ekhombisa ukuthi izinto zazihlukile

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e-USA – okungukuthi, uma kuqhathaniswa namanye amazwe, amaMelika
babengaguli kakhulu futhi babengaphili izimpilo ezimfishane.

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Futhi konke lokhu kwavela kuphela ngeminyaka yama-1980 nama-1990,
kuhambisana nohlelo lokugoma kanye nokwanda kokudla

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okucutshunguliwe kakhulu, okwengeziwe okwenziwe
ngamakhemikhali, abantu abakudlayo ngezinhlobo ezahlukene.

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Lezi yizintuthuko ezibalulekile
eziholele ekuboleni okwengeziwe kwezempilo.

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Futhi uma ubona lokhu kwenzeka ngokuhamba
kwesikhathi futhi kungekho ukulawula okuphikisanayo,

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khona-ke kumele kube nomqondo ongemuva kwalokho.

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Ngoba-ke uyazi ukuthi le ndlela yokwenza abantu abaphilile bagule
ngendlela ethile ngenxa yemithi engenasidingo noma indlela

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yokuphila engaphilile isebenza kuphela isikhathi esithile.

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Ngoba-ke abantu abaningi bazogula futhi ngeke isasebenza.

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Ngakolunye uhlangothi, kube njalo kuyenzeka, njengoba sekunjalo
ezweni lethu emashumini eminyaka adlule, ukwenza ibhizinisi

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ngokwengeziwe nabantu abaphilile ngaphandle kokubagula.

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Ngakho-ke zonke lezi zivivinyo zokuhlola zokuvimbela, zingase
zingalimazi, kodwa noma kunjalo sezibe ibhizinisi elikhulu.

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Yebo, lokho ngempela kuhlale kudlala indima
kuzo zonke izilungiselelo eziletwa emakethe.

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Kodwa ngaphandle kwalo hlelo lokulimaza,
angicabangi ukuthi kukhona incazelo yazo zonke lezi zokugoma.

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Kwaqala kusenesikhathi, kugxile kulezi zifo
ezingavamile kakhulu ezingakaze zibe inkinga yomphakathi.

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Manje-ke, umkhuhlane wengane, ama-mumps, lezi zibe
zihlale zincane kakhulu ngenani kuwo wonke umphakathi.

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Futhi ukuzama ngokuphoqelelayo ukuvimbela lokhu ngokuzama
ukukunciphisa kube ngu-zero, okuyinto engenangqondo nhlobo futhi

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engenakwenzeka kunoma iyiphi inqubo yezinto
eziphilayo, kuwumqondo ongasoze waba nenzuzo kwezohwebo

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isikhathi eside, ngoba uzoveza ngokushesha ukuthi unezinkinga.

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Abaningi bathi akuyona imboni yezemithi kuphela
eseceleni kwalokhu, kodwa futhi nokunciphisa inani labantu.

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Futhi lokhu sekushiwo obala – iClub of Rome,
kuthiwa singabantu abaningi kakhulu kuleli zwe.

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Manje-ke, impela, kufanele kuthiwe into eyodwa: lezi zokugoma
ngobuningi nezinye izinyathelo zezokwelapha

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zithinta kakhulu amazwe angabi nezinga eliphezulu
lokuzalwa, lapho kuthiwa inani labantu liyancipha ngempela.

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Manje, umuntu kumele acabange njengempikiswano
yokuphikisa: Kungani lezi zivivinyo zezokwelapha, uma sifuna

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ukuzibiza kanjalo, zingakwenziwa e-Afrika, isibonelo?

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Noma e-Asia, lapho sinezizwe ezinkulu.
Yebo, inani labantu baseShayina liyancipha.

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Nokho, iNdiya ibukeka ngokuphambene ngokuphelele. Sine
abantu abangaphezu kwebhiliyoni lapho abafisa kakhulu

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ukuzala, njengoba kuvame ukwenzeka emasikweni abampofu.

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Kungani izinto ezinjalo zisetshenziswa ngamandla kangaka
lapha kodwa kubonakala sengathi azisebenzi nhlobo lapho?

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Yebo, kwenziwa ikakhulu lapho.

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Uma sibheka iminyaka eyishumi edlule, lezi zivivinyo
zokugoma, ngenhloso ecacile yokulimaza abantu

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nokubenza bangakwazi ukuzala, zenzeke e-Afrika naseNdiya.

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Ngokwazi kwami, kukhona futhi izimangalo ezimbalwa
ezisalindile ezibhekiswe kuBill Gates eNdiya ngalolu daba.

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Futhi-ke e-Afrika kwaba nomkhankaso omkhulu lapho bekwenziwa
khona umjovo wokugoma i-tetanus, engikholwa ukuthi

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kufanele uphindwe njalo ezinyangeni eziyisithupha,
okwathi ngisho nabasekeli bokugoma bakuthola kungaqondakali.

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Futhi lapho abashisekeli ngaphakathi
kweSonto lamaKatolika bethola ukuthi iqukethe

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izinto ezenzelwe ukubangela ukungabi nezingane.

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Konke lokhu kwamiswa ngaleso sikhathi, vele.

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Akusasekeliwe ngemva kokuba kwavezwa.

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Futhi ukungabaza ngokugoma, ngokubeka kancane, manje
sekuphezulu kakhulu kulezi zwe ezibizwa ngokuthi ezisathuthuka.

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Ngakho-ke kubonakala sengathi ukubona nje iqembu
labantu abamhlophe elifika ukuzoshaya umjovo kwanele kubo.

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Amaqembu okuhlomula nazo ashaywe kaningi
futhi abuyile ezandleni ezingenalutho.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi emashumini eminyaka ambalwa edlule,
ukwamukelwa phakathi kwabantu empeleni sekuwile cishe kube zero.

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Manje sekucacile ukuthi umkhankaso wokugoma ongenangqondo
ngokuphelele njengalowo waseGaza wawungeke wenziwe

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ngaphansi kwezimo ezimbi kakhulu ngesikhathi sokumisa
ukulwa – lapho abantu babengakwazi ngempela ukubaleka.

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Futhi mhlawumbe lesi sivumelwano sokuthula samnika elinye ithuba
lokuphefumula, noma lokuthola ukudla namanzi ahlanzekile futhi.

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Kodwa ngemibandela yokuthi nabo
bathathe ithuba lokuvakashisa izingane zabo.

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Ngakho-ke kwakucacile ukuthi kwakungenzeka kuphela
ngaphansi kwalezi zimo zokuphoqelela, ngoba kwamanye amazwe

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lapho abantu besenokubaleka khona, babeyophunyuka ngokushesha.

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Yilokho okungishayile, uma ngingaphazamisa kancane, eGaza
– lokho empeleni bekuyisihloko engangifuna ukubuyela kuso.

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Ngamangala kakhulu ukubona ukuthi kungani
manje bezethula eNtshonalanga njengabanikeli

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abakhulu abagonyela lezi zingane ezihluphekayo.

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Yiliphi umjovo wokugoma lowo? Futhi ngabe ikhona yini
isizathu sokuthi lo mjovo wokugoma ube usizo kubantu?

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Yebo, yipolio, okuyinto ephambene ngokuphelele.

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Okokuqala, ngokuphikisana nalokhu okushiwo njalo
abantu abaningi, i-polio ayiyona isifo

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esithathelana, futhi ayiyona isifo esibangelwa igciwane.

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Kunalokho, i-polio isibonakaliso, okungukuthi ukuphelelwa amandla
okuthambile, okwenzeka ngenxa yomthelela wezinto eziyingozi.

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Ngaleso sikhathi, engxenyeni yokuqala yekhulu
lama-20, lezi zibulala-zinambuzane zazisetshenziswa

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kwezolimo, kuqala ngokususelwa ku-arsenic, kamuva nge-DDT.

16:37.820 --> 16:44.747
Nokho, ezinye izibulala-mzimba nazo zingabangela ukuqothuka
komzimba okuthambile kunoma yiluphi ubudala,

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ngoba izibulala-mzimba ezisetshenziswayo
ngokuvamile zonke zithinta amaseli wemithambo-luvo.

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Futhi, kunjalo, lapho umntwana emncane, okusho
ukuthi umuntu usencane, ivolumu

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yokusabalalisa yakhe incane, lezi zinto ziyingozi kakhulu.

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Futhi yingakho i-polio yathinta kakhulu izingane ngaleso
sikhathi, nakuba bekukhona abantu abadala abagulayo njalo.

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Noma kunjalo, i-polio ayinangqondo ngoba
ukuvuvukala akukwazi ukuvikelwa nganoma yiluphi

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uhlobo lomjovo wokugoma; lokho akunakwenzeka nhlobo.

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Futhi into yesibili wukuthi, ngempela, ezinye izifo
zenzeka ezindaweni eziphuthumayo, izifo ezithathelana

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ngenxa yokungcola kwamanzi okubangelwa ukuntuleka kokudla.

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Kukhona i-influenza, zonke izifo zokuhontsha, zonke lezi zifo;
cabanga nje nge-cholera ne-typhoid, yilokho

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empeleni – noma i-dysentery, ezibeka ingozi lapho
kunempi endaweni ethile, ingozi yokusabalala kwezifo.

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Kodwa i-polio ayivelanga ngaphandle
kokuthi, isibonelo, kusetshenziswe igesi enobuthi.

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Uma igesi ebulalayo yayisetshenziswe, ngakho-ke bekuzoba
nokutheleleka kwemithambo yobuchopho kanye nokuphazamiseka

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komzimba okuhambisanayo, okungabekwa kalula
ku-polio ngokuthi izimpawu ze-poliovirus

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zitholakale endaweni ethile emanzini angcolile.

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Kodwa ngokuyisisekelo, kuyo yonke iminyaka eyizinkulungwane,
njengoba sonke sazi ezindaweni zempi,

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akukaze kube nobhubhane wokuphelelwa amandla
ngenxa ye-polio ohambisana nemisebenzi yokulwa.

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Ngakho-ke lokhu kukhombisa futhi ngokusobala ukuthi kunohlelo
oluhlukile ngokuphelele olusebenza lapha, futhi kumele

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sicabange ukuthi kunohlelo lokubangela umonakalo,
uhlelo lokubangela ukungabi nezingane phakathi kwabantu.

18:30.055 --> 18:36.194
Ingabe ufunde ngokucophelela izizathu
zokugoma i-polio kulesi sifunda sempi esithile?

18:36.194 --> 18:43.100
Futhi ngikubona lokho kuyinqaba kakhulu. Kumele kube
nezibalo ezikhombisa ukuthi lezi zimo ngempela zenzeka lapho.

18:43.100 --> 18:52.182
Yebo, ngokwazi kwami, bekukhona inkulumo ngodaba
olulodwa olwenzekile, nokho le mpumputhe yasebenziswa.

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Futhi lesi simo esisodwa singabeka ingozi
yokusabalala ngokushesha kwesifo esibhekisayo kubantu abaningi.

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Asidingi okuningi kulezi zinsuku. Kufana
nesikhwama serayisi esidumile esiwela endaweni

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ethile, wonke umuntu uphendula ngokushesha.

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Lokho kuwumkhuba ojwayelekile weNhlangano Yezempilo
Yomhlaba Wonke, wokuthi empeleni akudingeki kwenziwe lutho.

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Siyazi ngokwezimo zokuhlolwa kwe-Covid-19 ukuthi kwakukhona cishe
izinkulungwane eziyisikhombisa zeziphetho ezithi "positive"

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ngesikhathi kuqokwa isifo esabalele emhlabeni wonke, kodwa
asazi ukuthi ngabe kukhona phakathi kwabo ababegula ngempela.

19:25.885 --> 19:34.868
Futhi, isibonelo, umbiko osanda kukhishwa uthi izimo
zokugula nge-measles zenyuke ngo-20% emhlabeni wonke.

19:34.868 --> 19:40.602
Nokho, uma ufunda umbhalo weNhlangano Yezempilo
Yomhlaba, uzobona ukuthi ususelwe

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ekulingisweni futhi awekho amanani angempela ngemuva kwawo.

19:44.881 --> 19:52.123
Futhi kule phepha kushiwo ngisho ukuthi – ngoba izinombolo
zangempela zokubuka okubikiwe emhlabeni wonke

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bezokwenza lesi simo sibe sezingeni eliphansi kakhulu,
okungukuthi sizolilinganisa ngaphansi – sekwenziwe izibikezelo.

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Ngakho-ke yilokho okusho kwesibili kwegama elithi 'projection',
ukuthi amamodeli wokulingisa manje akhiqize

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izinombolo ezingeke zibe neqiniso. Futhi ungabheka
amazwe ngamunye kanye nenani labantu abashonile.

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Lokhu akuhambisani nhlobo nedatha eshicilelwe emashumini eminyaka
adlule, lapho bekukhona izigameko ezingamakhulu ambalwa

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kuphela. Kuzodingeka kube nezigameko ezingamashumi
ezinkulungwane ngonyaka ukuze lokhu kube yingozi kubantu bonke.

20:32.564 --> 20:38.884
Ngakho-ke siyabona ukuthi akubalulekile
ukuthi okuthile kwenzeke ngempela noma cha;

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wenza nje ukuthi kwenzeke bese uthi kwenzekile.

20:43.429 --> 20:50.594
Futhi uma benza noma yiluphi uhlolo olungasitsheli lutho –
njengoba sazi nge-Covid, uhlolo lwe-PCR – bangashicilela

20:50.594 --> 20:54.388
ngokushesha amacala abathi akhona kodwa angakaze abe khona.

20:54.388 --> 21:01.589
Kanti-ke sekusemaphephandabeni wonke
emhlabeni, kwenzeka ingozi – bese kuba nokwesaba.

21:01.589 --> 21:05.743
Yingakho sikhulume ngalokhu emlandweni wethu wezifo
ezibhubhane encwadini ethi "Hauptsache Panik"

21:05.743 --> 21:08.571
(Okubalulekile ukuphuthuma); yilona iphuzu elibalulekile.

21:08.571 --> 21:16.179
Abantu bahlale bezama ukufaka ukwesaba ngoba
ukwesaba kuvimbela abantu ukuthi bacabange ngokucacile.

21:16.179 --> 21:21.912
Futhi namuhla, ukwesaba kungadaliswa ngempumelelo kakhulu
emithonjeni yezindaba ngokushicilela izinombolo,

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izingozi ezinkulu nezingozi ezingaba khona, nakuba kungekho
muntu emhlabeni ongakuqinisekisa ngempela ukuthi zikhona.

21:28.927 --> 21:32.839
Futhi lapho umuntu enza kanjalo,
uyabona ukuthi akuyona into nhlobo.

21:32.839 --> 21:37.640
Inkinga ihlala ibonakala lapho ungakho khona.

21:37.640 --> 21:45.555
Izinkinga zibonakala zingale midlalo yezibalo esayibona
ngesikhathi sobhubhane we-Covid, okuthiwa ngowesinye.

21:45.555 --> 21:50.915
Kodwa sibona okufanayo ngokushintsha kwesimo
sezulu, lapho ukwesaba okukhulu nakho kukhiqizwa izibalo

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ezingabonakali nhlobo ekusebenziseni kwangempela.

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Futhi iphinde ilawulwe ngokungeyikho kuzo
zonke izikhathi, kuhlanganise nezindawo zokungena.

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Isibonelo, angithembi nhlobo lezi zilinganiso
emanzini angcolile uma kukhulunywa ngalolu bhubhane.

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Ngake ngakubala lokhu ngokomzimba futhi.

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Kuzoba sengathi uphonsa ikristalu kashukela echibini lokubhukuda
bese uzama ukuyilinganisa kolunye uhlangothi, engingakwazi

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ukukwenza. Ososayensi abaningi nabo bangiqinisekisile ngalokhu.

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Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi konke kungamanga nje.

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Kuyafana nalokho ekunqumeni izinga lokushisa ngeziteshi
zokulinganisa ezingama-20 olwandle nokusho ukuthi siyazi

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ukuthi bekunjani eminyakeni eyizinkulungwane eziyikhulu edlule.

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Ngakho-ke lezi zilinganiso zonke azinangqondo. Mhlawumbe
singabuyela endabeni yokugula ngumkhuhlane wama-measles.

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Lena njengamanje iyinkinga ephindaphindayo
eJalimane, lapho ingcindezi iphezulu ngoba

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empeleni kunesidingo esingaqondile sokugoma.

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Futhi kukhona into eyodwa engiyithandayo.
Ngicabanga ukuthi ngayizwa kuwe emcimbini we-MWGFD:

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Lezi zifo zobuntwana zingaba nomthelela
omuhle kubantu empeleni. Ingabe lokho kuyiqiniso?

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Yebo, izinkinga zokuphuma
kwamazinyo sezikhona kusukela emlandweni.

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Bahlale bekhona, futhi ngokungafani
nesikhathi sethu, abakaze bamemezwe njengengxenye.

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Sinezincazelo ze-measles, i-smallpox, i-scarlet
fever ne-rubella ezivela emakhulwini eminyaka adlule,

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esingasuka kuzo sithi lezi yizifo ezikhulunywa ngazo.

23:13.452 --> 23:18.311
Kodwa okokuqala kwathiwa lezi zazingezinkinga
zokuqala futhi izingane zazizophila konke lokhu.

23:18.311 --> 23:22.200
Futhi kwakuyilapha kuphela lapho bathi,
yebo, abantu abadala nabo basengozini.

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Futhi okwesibili, ukuthi ubulaliyo buyoba yinto eqinisekisiwe.

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Ngakho-ke, sekushiwo izinto ezingamanga mayelana ne-measles
kulesi simo samanje, njengokuthi umuntu oyedwa

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kwabangu-100 abatheleleka i-measles uyofa, nakuba iminyaka
eminingi le nombolo ibe ngumuntu oyedwa kwabangu-1 000.

23:39.750 --> 23:46.103
Kodwa lokhu akusaseyona iqiniso emazweni athuthukile kwezimboni.
Okungcono kakhulu, kungomunye kwabangu-5 000, okusho

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ukuthi uma kunezimo ezingama-50 zesifo se-measles
eJalimane, kuzoba nokufa okukodwa njalo eminyakeni eyikhulu.

23:52.302 --> 23:58.816
Kukhona-ke umbuzo omkhulu wokuthi ngabe
lokhu kufa kwabangelwa ngempela yilesi sifo.

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Ngoba ungakusho lokho kuphela uma isifo
singelashwa. Futhi uma singelashwa, umuntu angase ashone.

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Kodwa ngubani osala engelashwanga?
Emazweni athuthukile kwezimboni, akekho.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi ukwelashwa kuyenziwa.
Futhi konke lokhu ukwelashwa kunengozi.

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Futhi ikakhulukazi esimweni somkhuhlane we-measles, kunezifundo
ezimbalwa ezithole ukuthi lo mkhuhlane ophakeme

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kakhulu, ongafinyelela okwethutyana ku-41
degrees, uyimpendulo ebalulekile yokwelapha kwabagulayo.

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Futhi uma lo mkhuhlane usuwedlule, isifo
siyaphela futhi uphila konke. Sekuphelile

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futhi unokuzivikela komzimba impilo yakho yonke.

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Nokho, izizukulwane eziningi, imithi ayizange ibe nenye
inhloso ngaphandle kokususa izimpawu, kuhlanganise nomkhuhlane.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi ngisho nokushisa komzimba
okungu-38.5 degrees manje sekwelashwa ukuze kushaywe umkhuhlane.

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Lokhu futhi kuphazamisa izindlela zomzimba
zokwelapha, ngakho-ke kumele sicabange ukuthi ukufa okumbalwa

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okwenzeka empeleni kubangelwa ukuphathwa kabi okunjalo.

25:12.710 --> 25:19.742
Akukhulunywa ngisho ukuthi ezinye izidakamizwa
zisetshenziswa ekuhlolweni, okungaba nemiphumela

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eyingozi ngisho ebulalayo, ikakhulukazi ezinganeni.

25:23.900 --> 25:26.018
Kodwa kumele ubone lokho emkhombandleleni.

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Ngiyazi ngezinye izindaba zokufa ezathiwa eJalimane eminyakeni
engu-20 edlule zibangelwa umkhuhlane wabantu abadala. Lezi

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kwakuyizimo lapho, ngenxa yokwesaba ukutheleleka
ngumkhuhlane ngoba ingane yayigula, abantu abadala bagonywa

25:43.612 --> 25:48.444
baze bafa kungakapheli sikhathi esifushane ngemva kwalokho.

25:48.444 --> 25:54.074
Lapho umuntu ekufanele athi yebo, ingabe
kwakuyimvuvu engakakabi khona? Noma kwakuyimjovo yokugoma?

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Ngakho-ke cishe ngokuqinisekile kwakuyomjovo wokugoma,
ongavunyelwe ngokwezokwelapha ejwayelekile. Uma kunesifo

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esabalele, noma kungenzeka ukuthi kukhona
utheleleko endlini, akufanele uthole umjovo

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wokugoma, noma ngabe uyakholelwa ekugomeni.

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Futhi lokho manje sekuphinde kwenziwa futhi nge-Covid-19.

26:12.774 --> 26:17.287
Kuthiwa kunobhubhane womhlaba
wonke, kwenziwa umkhankaso wokugoma.

26:17.287 --> 26:25.770
Lokhu kuphikisana nemithetho yezokwelapha
ejwayelekile, esikhuthaza lezi zokugoma iminyaka engu-300.

26:25.770 --> 26:30.580
Izinto eziningi eziphembelela abantu
zineziindaba ezinhle kakhulu ngemuva kwazo.

26:30.580 --> 26:33.955
Futhi indaba ngemuva kwayo – ngoba
ukugoma kuzwakala kuhle, akunjalo?

26:33.955 --> 26:42.085
Uthola umjovo ngenani elincane
lwesithako, bese uthola ukuvikeleka okuthile.

26:42.085 --> 26:49.271
Okungimangaza, futhi okungakhulunywa ngakho ngokwanele, wukuthi
abantu bayakhohlwa ukuthi izifo zingena kanjani emzimbeni.

26:49.271 --> 26:54.796
Izifo azifiki ngokugonywa ngomjovo kunoma yisiphi
isicubu senyama noma egazini, kodwa zifika

26:54.796 --> 26:58.542
ngempumulo, ngomlomo, ngamembrane yamanzi omzimba, noma kuphi.

26:58.542 --> 27:06.118
Futhi lapha umbuzo uwukuthi ingabe umuthi wokugoma
osebenzayo, uma kukhona onjalo, akufanele uqale lapho?

27:06.118 --> 27:10.887
Yebo, leyo iphuzu elibaluleke kakhulu oliphakamisayo.

27:10.887 --> 27:18.937
Ngoba akujwayelekile nhlobo ukwethula noma yiluphi
uhlobo lwesibulali emzimbeni, noma ngesikelo noma ngomjovo.

27:18.937 --> 27:24.997
Lokho kuwuhlaselo lomzimba kuphela.
Futhi lokho kuyisimo sokuxwayisa somzimba.

27:24.997 --> 27:33.832
Ngokufanayo, uma siwela ebhayisikilini, sigayeze
edolweni bese uthuli lomgwaqo lungena esithweni, umzimba

27:33.832 --> 27:39.080
wokuzivikela kumele uphendule ngamandla angaba khona.

27:39.080 --> 27:42.837
Kodwa lokho akuyona isimo semvelo ngesifo esithathelana.

27:42.837 --> 27:49.374
Isifo esithathelana, njengoba wawusho kahle, sihlangana
ngendlela ethile esikhumbeni nasemembranini yamanzi omzimba.

27:49.374 --> 27:55.410
Izinqubo eziningi zisazange zichazwe kuze kube
namuhla. Futhi kunezinqubo zokuzivikela ezisebenza lapho.

27:55.410 --> 28:01.020
Ibhayoloji yethu, kanye naleyo yezinye
izilwane ezinobele kulo mhlaba, ikhethekile ngalokhu.

28:01.020 --> 28:11.318
Futhi uma manje ngifaka into ethile ezicubeni zomshini wasehlombe
engase ivuse indlela ewusizo ohlelweni

28:11.318 --> 28:20.710
lokuzivikela komzimba, akusho ngempela ukuthi
kuzokwenzeka lutho endaweni evamile yokungena.

28:20.710 --> 28:25.563
Lokhu kwavunywa kamuva, nakuba sekwephuzile
kakhulu, ngumvikeli wemithi yokugoma

28:25.563 --> 28:29.020
waseMelika, uMnu. Fauci, othe empeleni akunangqondo.

28:29.020 --> 28:35.408
Uma bekufanele ukwenze, bekungaba ngokusebenzisa izicubu zomphunga
zekhala, usebenzisa isifutho noma okuthile okufana nakho.

28:35.408 --> 28:40.361
Kodwa ngokusobala lokho kwakungeke
kwenzeke. Kusekungeke kwenzeke namuhla. Akusebenzi.

28:40.361 --> 28:49.039
Akukho bufakazi bokuthi lezi zinyathelo zenza umqondo ngempela.
Futhi cishe eminyakeni engu-250 eyedlule, kwakukhona udokotela

28:49.039 --> 28:57.373
wangasese waseNgilandi owafakazela lokhu ngaleso sikhathi
ngalezi zokugoma i-smallpox ngokufaka lesi sithako se-smallpox,

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leli pus le-smallpox, esikhumbeni ngaphandle kokubangela ukopha.

29:02.130 --> 29:07.462
Noma ngisho ngokujulile ngaphansi kwesikhumba
nangemithanjeni, wabe esebuka ukuthi kwenzekani.

29:07.462 --> 29:13.170
Futhi impendulo eyayifunwayo, yokuthi lezi
zimpawu zokugoma zivele, yenzeka kuphela lapho

29:13.170 --> 29:16.183
ezifaka esikhumbeni, kodwa hhayi ngokujulile.

29:16.183 --> 29:22.275
Ngalesi sizathu, ngaleso sikhathi waphothula ukuthi umjovo
wokugoma i-smallpox uletha kuphela impendulo

29:22.275 --> 29:28.899
yokuzivikela yomzimba efunwayo futhi awuyingozi ngoba
uhlala esikhumbeni futhi akukho igazi eligeleza.

29:28.899 --> 29:35.134
Futhi lokho kuwukuqonda okuyisisekelo, ngoba okubangela impendulo
yokuzivikela komzimba wethu yisikhumba noma

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ingubo yamanzi omzimba. Kodwa hhayi izicubu
zamafutha ezingaphansi kwesikhumba futhi hhayi imisipha.

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Futhi ngithi uma lokho abakubiza ngokuthi imijovo yokugoma i-Covid
bekunikezwe namuhla ngokuyifaka nje esikhumbeni ngaphandle

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kokuthintana negazi, besingeke sibone noma yiluphi usizo.

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Kodwa mhlawumbe besingeke sibone muntu ofile noma ogulayo.

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Umonakalo mhlawumbe ubungaba mncane, yebo.

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Isivumelwano besingaba sesenziwe.

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Lokhu kusibuyisela ekuqaleni kwengxoxo yethu, okusho
ukuthi ngokusobala akugcini nje ngokwezamabhizinisi.

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Ngoba uma ubufuna nje ukwenza imali ngemijovo yokugoma
i-Covid-19, ubungasebenzisa nje izixazululo zesalini.

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Khona-ke lokho bekuzohamba kahle kakhulu
futhi. Bekungeke kube nomsebenzi wokuthuthukiswa.

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Bekungeke kwenzeke monakalo.
Futhi wonke umuntu wayezokwaneliseka.

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Omunye wayengase aqale isenzo esilandelayo.

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Uma singaqotho, bekuzobonakala.

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Impela, kumele kulindelwe ukuthi kukhona
umuntu elabhorethri ethile oqhuba ucwaningo.

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Kodwa kwathatha isikhathi eside ukuthi ezinye izinto zivele.

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Futhi iningi lamabhachi lawa kwacaca ukuthi aye-placebo, njengoba
ucwaningo lukhombisile. Akekho owayekhungathekile ngalokho.

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Futhi uma ekugcineni kungekho monakalo okwenzekile nhlobo –
singabona ukuthi, ukubuyiselwa kwemali, zonke lezi zinto.

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Ngakho-ke ubungakwenza kahle kakhulu
ngaphandle kwanoma yiluphi ithuba lokulimala.

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Futhi yingakho ibhizinisi lodwa lingekho sichazelo.

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Okukhombisa ngokwemvelo ukuthi kukhona okuthile
okubucayi okungahambi kahle ukubandakanyeka kwezempi.

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Ojenerali babesebenza yonke indawo,
eMelika kanye naseJalimane nase-Austria.

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Lena ngempela umbuzo: kungani izithunywa
zezempilo ziyinkinga yezempi kangaka kulesi zinga?

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Lokho futhi kungachazwa ngendlela eqondakala, ngoba
kwakuyisongelo esikhulu kangaka, ingozi enkulu kangaka.

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Kodwa sesibone izinto ezimbili, futhi singabuyela kuzo kamuva.

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Okokuqala, lesi sifo esithi yi-Covid,
esingazange sibe nomthelela omkhulu kangako ngempela.

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Abantu abazange bafe; akukho ukweqisa kokufa
empeleni noma kuphi. Lena uhlangothi olulodwa lwemali.

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Nokho, eceleni kolunye lwekhoyini, futhi
lapha singase siphikisane nencazelo yethu:

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Lezi zokugoma, esazi ukuthi azisebenzi, azikhiqizi
umphumela esasithembisiwe, kodwa empeleni azibulali muntu cishe.

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Kufanele ukusho ngendlela ekhuthazayo
kangaka. Abantu abambalwa kakhulu abafa ngenxa yayo.

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Impela kubi kakhulu, kusukela ekufeni
kokuqala, isisulu sokuqala. Lokho kucacile kakhulu.

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Futhi akukho mbuso onelungelo lokubulala
noma ukulimaza noma ubani ngokungahleliwe.

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Kodwa iqiniso liwukuthi, lokho esasikusaba, lokho izingqondo
ezinkulu ezifana noProfesa Bhakdi ezazikusaba,

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ukuthi abantu bazofa njengezimpukane, ukuthi
ingxenye yalabo abagonyiwe bazowa bafa, akwenzekanga.

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Yebo, kodwa angicabangi ukuthi lokhu kungenxa yokugonywa lokhu.

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Ezinye zenziwa njenge-placebo, ezinye zicacile ukuthi zenziwe
ngamadosi aphansi kakhulu anamathuba

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amancane okubangela umonakalo, kodwa imijovo
eminingi yokugoma ayizange yenzeke ngaleyo ndlela.

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Okokuqala, kunezibalo ezikhombisa ukuthi umonakalo
wezitofu zokugoma uphansi kakhulu emazweni ashisayo

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lapho kungakwazeki ukugcina uchungechunge lobanda.

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Lokho kwakungeyona uhlelo. Bese bekuzokwenzeka okuningi kakhulu.

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Futhi okunye ukuthi ingozi yokulimala ayikapheli okwamanje.

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Ngoba sisakwazi ukubona ukuthi ukufa
kuyaqhubeka nokungabi nezingane kuyaqhubeka.

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Izinga lokuzalwa lisasezingeni eliphansi kakhulu.

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Ngakho-ke lokhu kusho ukuthi
kuyumphumela yesikhathi eside kakhulu eyihleliwe.

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Futhi okufanele kwengezwe, impela, yilokho
ukuthi kube nemijovo eminingi yokugoma engamanga.

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EJalimane, ukuhlolwa kubalwa izigidi
eziyishumi kuya kweziyishumi nanhlanu.

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Mhlawumbe kukhona namanye amakhadi okuqinisekisa
ukugonywa angamanga avela kubantu abangakaze

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bathole noma yiluphi uhlobo lomjovo wokugoma nhlobo.

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Futhi lokho, kunjalo, kuchaza ukuthi
kungani umonakalo ungakhulu nakakhulu.

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Ukube lokhu kwenziwe, okusho ukuthi wonke umuntu empeleni
wathola lezi zitozo, noma ngabe bekukhona ingxenye ethile

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ye-placebo, besizoba nezinga lokufa elihlukile ngokuphelele.

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Futhi kwakuhlelwe kunjalo, futhi kufanele kuqhubeke kwenzeka
ngendlela ethile ukuthi lezi zifuthwelo ziganelwe kaningi.

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Njengoba bekushiwo, kufanele uthole umjovo wokugoma izifo
zokuphefumula ezifana nalezi okungenani kanye ngonyaka.

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Futhi-ke, vele, leli thuba
lokulimala liyanda ngokuphindaphindiwe.

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Siphinde sabona ukuthi imijovo emibili, emithathu noma emine
ikhuphula kakhulu izifo ngokushesha, okubangela ukuthi – ngenxa

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yesithombe esixubile nesihlala isikhathi eside sezifo
ezahlukahlukene ezibangela izimpawu

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ezihlukene ngenxa yokulimala kwemithambo kwezinye
izitho – kungenakubekwa esizathweni esithile.

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Futhi lokho kwakuyinto ebalulekile ngempela ngomgomo
wokulimala, ukuthi awukwazi nje ukuyibeka kumshini

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ocacile onezithombe zokwelapha, kodwa ekugcineni ungathi:

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Yebo, sisathola izifo esasizazi ngaphambilini, izinhlobo ezithile
zomdlavuza, ukuhlaselwa yizinhliziyo kanye

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nokushaywa yisifo sengqondo, ezivame
kancane nje, kodwa zisazizo lezo zifo ezifanayo.

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Lokho kuhlobene kanjani nemijovo yethu?

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Ukufihla kuyiphuzu elibaluleke kakhulu lapha.

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Okumangalisayo ngempela ngalesi simo sonke ngokungangabazeki
ukuthi wonke umuntu kufanele athole umjovo wokugoma.

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Lokhu ukwethulwa kubantu
abayizigidigidi sekungasachazeki ngengqondo.

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Futhi kuyinselelo enkulu kakhulu, uma kungenzeki ngokuphelele,
ukuchaza ukuthi kungani wonke umuntu edlale ngokuhambisana.

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Ngikholelwa ukuthi yilokho abantu abaningi
ababecabanga ezinyangeni zokuqala zale mbungu.

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Kungani kungaba kanjalo ukuthi amaqembu
amandla abuthanayo athi wonke, "Hurey, sesingene,

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siyafaka umphakathi wethu ngezinto ezahlukene."

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Kodwa-ke, cishe wonke umuntu wadlala ngokuhambisana.

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Isikhathi sethu sesivele siqhubekele phambili kakhulu.

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Ngingasazoba nentshisekelo endabeni esayixoxa ngaphambilini.

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Lokhu kuhamba ngokuya ngendlela
yenqubomgomo yomphakathi. Umphakathi uya kuphi?

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Futhi wenze ukufanisa okuthakazelisayo kakhulu nekusasa eledlule,
uthi lezi zixeko ezihlakaniphile ezihlelwayo manje,

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izixeko zemizuzu eyi-15, aziyona imiqondo emisha,
kodwa empeleni zazivele zibonakala eNkathini Ephakathi.

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Yebo, inkululeko yokuhamba esiyazi emashumini eminyaka adlule,
lapho singahambi khona ngokukhululekile kunoma iyiphi indlela

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nganoma yisiphi isikhathi endaweni yethu kuphela, kodwa
futhi singagxuma nje sisebenzise indlela yokuhamba

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siye kwezinye izwekazi, ayikaze ibe khona isikhathi eside.

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Futhi hhayi nje ngoba ukuhamba kwakubiza kakhulu
futhi izindlela zokuhamba ezidingekayo

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zazingenakutholakala, kodwa nje ngoba kwakungavunyelwe.

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Ngaleso sikhathi, ikakhulukazi eJalimane, kwakukhona izifundazwe
ezincane eziningi, ezadalwa njengemiphakathi

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yamandla cishe eminyakeni eyikhulu eyedlule ngemva kokuba
amaknithi nabamonki baseScandinavia bethatha iYurophu.

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Lezi zaziyizindawo, mhlawumbe ezinobubanzi
obuyi-10 noma obuyi-20 amakhilomitha, ezazibumba

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yonke indawo eyayiphethwe ngaphansi kobukhosi babo.

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Futhi kwavunyelwa kuphela izikhulu, okungukuthi abakhosi
abazimele ababeyikhululekile ukuhamba-hamba, ukuba bahambe.

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Kodwa izakhamuzi ezijwayelekile, abalimi nalabo ababehlala
ezindaweni zasemadolobheni bavunyelwa ukwenza

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kanjalo kuphela ngemvume ecacile. Ngaphandle
kwalokho, babeyothunyelwa ejele ngokushesha.

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Kukhona futhi isigameko esidume kakhulu esihilela umqambi uJohann
Sebastian Bach, owaphinde washiya umbuso wakhe waseWeimar.

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Kwathi-ke wavalelwa ejele amasonto amane, umkakhe
wayengazi ukuthi empeleni wayekuphi noma ukuthi

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wayezobuya yini. Ngakho-ke lokho kwakuyisimo esijwayelekile.

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Ikakhulukazi labo ababehlala emadolobheni avikelekile
babe nezindonga zedolobha zokuvikeleka – njengoba manje

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sithembiswe ukuvikelwa yonke indawo – ukuze izitha zingangeni.

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Kodwa lapho kungelula ukungena
khona, nakho akulula ukuphuma khona.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi lezi zigcawu zedolobha
nazo zazivaliwe ebusuku. Akekho owawungaphuma.

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Ngakho-ke lokho kusho ukuthi, okungenani,
ungaphuma phandle emini, kodwa noma kunjalo

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kwakungekho lula ukunyakaza ngokukhululekile.

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Kwakumele ube nesizathu esivumelekile sokushiya idolobha.

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Uma umuntu enensimu yokulima
ngaphandle, bekuyisizathu esamukelekayo.

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Kungikhumbuza isikhathi se-Covid, lapho bethi...
Ngisakhumbula uKanzela wangaphambilini uKurz ehlakanipha

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ngokuthi ukuhamba nje kuyisizathu esanele sokuphuma endlini.

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Impela, kube njalo lapho.

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Okusho ukuthi, lezo zidolobha zazincane
kakhulu – zazinezakhamuzi ezingu-5 000 futhi

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zazizungezwe udonga oluthile – njengoba ungacabanga.

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Lezo zaziyiminithi eziyishumi nanhlanu
ezidumile eziphinde zibekwe phambi kwabantu manje.

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Ungakwazi ngempela ukuhamba-hamba kuze kufike
ezingeni elithile, kodwa hhayi ngaphezu kwalokho.

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Futhi yilokho ngqo ukulawulwa kokunyakaza, okuyingxenye
ebaluleke kakhulu yezomphakathi ezinamandla aphezulu.

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Futhi lokho kuphela kukhombisa
ukuthi konke lokhu kuqondela kuphi.

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Akukhona ngokuvikela abantu, kodwa ngokulawula.

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Futhi uma sibuyela emuva ngo-1989,
ngesikhathi udonga lwaseBerlin lwawa eJalimane, e-GDR.

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Enye yezizathu ezinkulu ngaleso sikhathi
kwakuwukuba inkululeko yokuhamba yayinqanyuliwe.

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Inkululeko yokuhamba kwabantu kwakuyimbangela enkulu
eyaholela ekugcineni ukuthi lesi simo sifinyelele phezulu.

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Bekungekho ngokuntuleka kwenkululeko noma ezinye izindaba
ezingokomqondo, kodwa bekuyisifiso sokuhamba hhayi kuphela

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kwezinye izizwe ze-Eastern Bloc, kodwa naseNtshonalanga,
kwenye indawo eSouth Seas noma kunoma iyiphi enye indawo.

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Abantu kumele babe bebuka ngomona eNtshonalanga, lapho
inkululeko yokuhamba yayivunyelwe isikhashana ngaleso sikhathi.

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Sekuncipha manje, njengoba
kulindeleke ukuthi ukuhamba ngomoya kumiswe.

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Kodwa i-GDR iyisihloko esihle kakhulu.
Mhlawumbe sizokwenza lokho kafushane.

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Sihlala sithembiswa ukuthi bafuna ukusivikela.

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Bafuna ukusivikela ekushintsheni kwesimo
sezulu, emagciwaneni nakuzo zonke izinhlobo zezinto.

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Singabantu abampofu kangaka abangakwazi ukwenza
lutho ngokwethu, futhi sidinga umbuso osivikela.

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Futhi kuthiwa yilokho okwenza ukuba
kubekwe umbuso wobushiqela we-GDR.

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Okungukuthi, isizinda sokuthi izinkampani eziningi zibe
sezizimele – noma zonke, noma zithathwe ngokuphelele, kufanele

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kushiwo – kwakuyidiktatshi yokuhlanzeka eyayikhona lapho futhi.

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Ngakho-ke izinto eziningi kakhulu
sezithuthukisiwe futhi zamenyezelwa, okwenza

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osomabhizinisi kudingeke banake futhi batshale kuzo.

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Futhi ngisho ngaleso sikhathi, konke
kwakungokuvikela abantu nokubagcina bempilo.

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Lokho okushoyo kulungile ngokuphelele.

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Ngaleso sikhathi e-GDR, lapho befuna ukudala lesi sifundazwe
sobusoshiyali esiyingqayizivele, izimo zazifana nalezo

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zaseNtshonalanga ngemva kwempi, ngoba kwakusenezinkampani
ezizimele kwezolimo, emikhakheni yezandla nasemikhakheni

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yezimboni, ababefuna ukuzibeka ngaphansi kukahulumeni.

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Futhi lapho, kunjalo, kwakungenzeka ukwenza
ngokuphoqa, futhi kwezinye izimo kwenziwa kanjalo.

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Ngakho-ke endaweni yomngcele neJalimane
YaseNtshonalanga, abantu babethunyelwa

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ngaphandle nje kanti imali yokusebenza yathathwa nje.

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Kodwa ngaphandle kwalokho, umphakathi wonke
wawungafuni futhi wawungeke ukwenza kube lula kanjalo.

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Futhi-ke kufanele nje uthole izizathu.

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Njengoba manje umuntu angathola izizathu zokuthi:

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Yebo, asifuni nhlobo ukukwenzela noma
yini embi; kungenxa yokuzuzisa kwakho.

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Futhi impilo ihlale iyizizathu ezinhle ngalokhu.

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Uhulumeni uyakhathalela impilo – ukugoma kuyoba yingxenye
yempilo, nokuhlolwa kwezempilo kuyoba yingxenye

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yempilo, nazo zonke lezi zinto – nakuba ekugcineni
kusebenza kuphela ngenhloso yokulawula nokwengamela.

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Ngakho-ke, ngaleso sikhathi e-GDR, konke lokhu
kwakusebedlwengulwa. Kwakudalwa imithetho

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yokuhlanzeka eyayiba nzima kakhulu ukuyilandela, njengoba
manje sikubona ezinkampanini ezincane neziphakathi.

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Hhayi nje impilo kuphela, kodwa
cabanga ngazo zonke izitifiketi zekhwalithi.

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Manje thatha ukuphepha kwemikhiqizo, isibonelo.
Izimfuneko ezikhulayo eziya ziba yihlazo. Ngiyibonile manje:

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Manje, uma umuntu ethengisa i-CD yomculo, kumele
futhi abe nesithombe esingezansi kwekhatalogi yakhe

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eku-inthanethi esibonisa ikesi le-CD kanye ne-CD uqobo.

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Kuyafana ngqo kuwo wonke ama-CD,
kodwa akubalulekile; kumele kuboniswe.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi kudingeka kuthathwe izinyathelo ezengeziwe.

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Izincazelo zidinga ukwandiswa. Konke
lokhu kudinga imali – futhi akukhiqizi lutho.

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Izinkampani ezinkulu zisengakwazi
ukuphatha lokhu endaweni ethile kwezinzuzo zazo.

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Bavame futhi ukuba nezinsiza zabantu ezanele.

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Kodwa yinkampani encane enabasebenzi abathathu, abane, abahlanu
noma abayishumi esezisongelwa, engasakwazi ukumelana, bese ivala.

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Kulungile. Futhi-ke sekuphume nezinye izinkampani ezimbalwa.

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Futhi yilokho ababekwenza ngakho e-GDR ngaleso sikhathi.

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Ngakho-ke manje sesibona "ukuhlanganiswa" –
phakathi kwezimpawu zokucashunwa – kwalezi

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zinkampani ezincane neziphakathi emphakathini wethu.

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Futhi imithi, ikakhulukazi, ihlale ibhekwa kalula
kakhulu kuneminye izinto njengento ebhekwa njengomlinganiselo.

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Ngoba wonke umuntu ngokushesha uthi – njengoba
umphakathi ugcwele ukwelashwa kwezempilo: "Yebo, uma

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kulungele impilo yethu, khona-ke kumele silandele."

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Ukuthi-ke kubiza impilo yomuntu kuyindaba ehlukile.

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Ngakho-ke ngithanda ukuqeda ngenothi:

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