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Kla.TV: Dr Haug, na gode ƙwarai da
ɗaukar lokaci don yin magana da mu a yau.

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Kai ne marubucin littafin Das Deutsche Reich 1871
bis heute (Daular Jamus daga 1871 zuwa yau). Zuwa yau?

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Dr Haug, akwai babban cece-kuce game da ikirarin cewa Jamhuriyar
Tarayyar Jamus ba ƙasa ba ce, cewa tana da Dokar Asali kawai amma

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ba ita ce kundin tsarin mulki ba, cewa ba ta da
yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya, cewa ba ta da iyakoki na ƙasa

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da aka fayyace, kuma cewa ba ta da cikakken 'yanci.

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Jamusawa ma ba su da ƙasa.

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A matsayin murya mai sabawa labarin da ake yawan yadawa, don
Allah ka bayyana wa masu kallo a taƙaice kuma a sarari ra'ayinka

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game da abin da ci gaba da wanzuwar German Reich ke nufi a
ganinka, da kuma yadda waɗannan batutuwan da ake

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jayayya a kansu kuma ake yawan tattaunawa suke da alaƙa da ci
gaba da wanzuwar German Reich, kamar yadda ka fahimta.

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Matthes Haug: Da farko, na gode ƙwarai da gayyata, Mista Matten.

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Eh, na rubuta littafin "1871 zuwa Yau", saboda
Daular Jamus an kafa ta a shekarar 1871 a Dakin Madubai

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na Versailles karkashin Bismarck da Sarkin Wilhelm I.

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An ba shi izini, an amince da shi ta jihohi 46, wakilan su
kuwa suna wurin, kuma suka amince da shi, wato Daular Jamus.

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Kuma ba a taba rushe Daular Jamus ba.

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Ba za a iya rushe shi kwata-kwata ba, domin hakan zai buƙaci
dokoki da aka kuma sanya a cikin kundin tsarin mulki na 1871, da

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ƙa'idoji kan yadda, misali, ake iya rushe kundin tsarin mulki.

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Ba a taba rushe wannan kundin tsarin mulki ba.

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Sa'an nan ya biyo Yakin Duniya na Farko, kuma
bayan haka, a gaskiya, kawai wata dakatarwar yaki ce.

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Ba a taɓa samun yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya ta gaskiya ba.
Yarjejeniyar Versailles ba yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya ba ce.

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Don haka sulhu ne kawai. Kuma haka,
Daular Jamus tana nan har zuwa yau.

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Kada a rikita shi da Third Reich. Ana yawan rikita su biyun.
Third Reich da Daular Jamus ta 1871 ba su da alaƙa da juna.

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A maimakon haka, ana iya bibiyar shi gaba ɗaya zuwa wannan daular,
wadda har yanzu take nan ba tare da jin kunya ba har zuwa yau.

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Kla.TV: A ra'ayinka, menene damar da sakamakon da suka biyo baya
daga gaskiyar cewa Jamus Reich har yanzu yana nan har zuwa yau?

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Shin akwai wasu damar musamman ga 'yan ƙasa wajen tsara makoma?

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MH: Akwai matuƙar yiwuwar. Kuma daga mahangar doka kawai,
wannan ba ra'ayi na ba ne, amma lamari ne na gaskiyar doka.

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Don haka, daga mahangar doka kawai,
kundin tsarin mulki na 1871 ma yana aiki.

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Domin wannan Daular Jamus har yanzu, a ka'ida, tana cikin yanayin
yaki a yau. Sai dai kawai tana cikin yanayin dakatar da yaki.

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Kuma wannan Daular Jamus kadai ce za ta iya
sake sanya hannu kan yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya.

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Jamhuriyar Tarayya ba ta ma wanzu a wancan lokacin.

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A takaice, an kafa shi ne kawai a ranar 3 ga Janairu,
1950, bayan an aika wasiƙar amincewa ta ƙarshe ga Birtaniya.

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Don haka, mutum zai yi tunanin an kafa shi a shekarar 1949.

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Na yi bincike sosai kan duk wannan
kuma na gabatar da shi daidai sosai.

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Ni kullum ina sha'awar gaskiya kawai, babu wani abu
daban. A wannan fanni, ni masanin kimiyya ne isasshe.

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Saboda haka, Jamhuriyar Tarayya ba a
kafa ta ba sai 3 ga Janairu, 1950.

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Saboda haka ba zai yiwu a sanya hannu kan
yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya ba, domin Jamhuriyar

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Tarayyar Jamus ba ta taɓa zama makiyi a yakin ba.

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Kuma dole ne a kulla yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya bayan yaƙi.

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Kuma wannan yana buƙatar wakilai na gaskiya na Daular Jamus.

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Kla.TV: Kuma waɗannan wakilai na gaskiya ba su
ma halarci waɗannan tattaunawar zaman lafiya ba.

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Akwai abin da ake kira yarjejeniyar 2 da 4. Shin
duk abin ya zama babu amfani, kamar yadda suke cewa?

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MH: A Jamusanci, "für den Katz" ba ya nufin "don mage".

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To, wannan wata matsala ce daban.

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Ba a taɓa samun wakilan yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya ba.

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Wannan zai kasance Sarkin Masarautar William na I ko na II.

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An gaje na farko ne William na biyu.

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Don haka hakan zai iya zama wakili na gaskiya.

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Duk da haka, sai ya tafi cikin banzan ƙasa,
don haka bai sake nan kuma ba a iya samunsa.

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An sanar da Jamhuriyar Weimar kawai a sabawa kundin
tsarin mulki na 1871 da ke aiki. Wannan ba zai yiwu a

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ƙarƙashin dokar ƙasa da ƙasa da dokar kundin tsarin mulki ba.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa babu wani
wakili na gaskiya na Daular Jamus ta 1871.

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Waɗannan 'yan siyasa ne marasa muhimmanci da mutanen da
ba su da wata izini kwata-kwata don sanya hannu kan

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yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya ta Daular Jamus a shekarar 1871.

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Suka tattauna, kuma yanzu za mu yi gajeren
karkacewa kan Yarjejeniyar Biyu da Hudu.

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A takaice, ana kiran shi Yarjejeniyar Hudu da
Biyu. Wannan shi ne yadda abokan gaba ke kiran ta.

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Don haka, abokan haɗin gwiwa huɗu, Tarayyar
Soviet, Ingila, Faransa da Amurka, da

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Jamus ta Tarayya (FRG) da Jamus ta Gabas (GDR).

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An yi niyyar waɗannan su kafa Jamus ɗaya ƙarƙashin
wannan yarjejeniya. Wannan za a iya amincewa da shi.

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A cikin wannan ma'ana, ba a taɓa samun Jamus ɗaya ba.

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Domin Jamus ɗaya na nufin dukkan
Jamus kamar yadda take a shekarar 1871.

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Wannan cikakkiyar haɗin kai ce.

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An raba Jamus zuwa sassa uku bayan Yaƙin Duniya na Biyu.

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Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus, sannan Jamhuriyar
Dimokradiyyar Jamus, ko Tsakiyar Jamus daidai.

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Kuma yankunan da Jamus ta Gabas ke mulki ta Poland.

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Kuma har zuwa yau babu abin da ya canza a wannan fanni.

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Saboda haka, ba za a iya kafa Jamus ɗaya ba
ta hanyar Jamus ta Yamma da ɗaya daga cikin

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waɗannan sassa uku, ko ma da yawa daga cikinsu.

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Saboda haka mutane kullum suna cewa wannan
Yarjejeniyar Hudu da Biyu, da Yarjejeniyar Biyu da Hudu, za

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ta kasance wata yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya ta kusan.

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Babu abin da ake kira yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya ta kusan.
An bayyana shi a fili a matsayin yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya.

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A ƙarshe, ba a taɓa amincewa da wannan
yarjejeniya ba ta dukkan ɓangarorin da suka sanya hannu.

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Ta Rasha kadai. Wanda abin sha'awa ne sosai.

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Rasha kaɗai ce ta amince da wannan yarjejeniya.

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Kuma Genscher, wanda a lokacin yake
Sakataren Harkokin Waje na Jamhuriyar Tarayyar

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Jamus, bai tabbatar da shi ba bisa ga ƙa'idoji.

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Dole ne ka sanya hannu a nan cikakke,
kamar yadda ya yi a kan babban kwangila.

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Da aka kai ga tabbatarwa, sai kawai ya sanya
haruffan sunansa. Babu sunan farko, babu komai.

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Kuma idan aka faɗi daidai, hakan ya saba wa ƙa'idoji.

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Don haka ba a taɓa amincewa da wannan
yarjejeniyar bisa doka ba. Shi ne abin da ya fi muhimmanci.

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Kla.TV: Dr Haug, idan na fahimce ka daidai,
kundin tsarin mulki na 1871 har yanzu yana aiki a yau.

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To mene ne Dokar Asali? Me take da muhimmanci?

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MH: Dokar Asali ta dogara ne kan Yarjejeniyar
Hague. Wannan doka ce ta ƙasa da ƙasa. Tana

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tsara yanayin yaki da halin da ake ciki bayan yaki.

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Kla.TV: Me HLKO ke nufi? MH: Yarjejeniyar Hague kan Yaki a Kasa.

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Shin mai gida dole ne ya samar wa masu zama kundin tsarin gida?

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Don kiyaye oda, ladabi da zaman lafiya. Haka ake ayyana shi.

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Shi ya sa ake kiransa Dokar Asali ta Jamhuriyar Tarayya ta
Jamus, ba Dokar Asali ta Jamhuriyar Tarayya ta Jamus ba.

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To, wannan hakkin mai zama ne. Gajeriyar labari.

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Babana ya san Carlo Schmidt, wanda ake
kira ɗaya daga cikin masu kafa Dokar Asali.

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Shi tsohon mutum ne a ƙungiyar ɗan uwantaka ta mahaifina.

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Kuma, har yanzu yana ɗan cike da murna daga
bukukuwan, sai ya bari wasu asirai su fito fili.

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Ya ce, ka sani, an ba mu izinin ƙara
ƙarshe. Sauran kuwa an riga an tsara tun farko.

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Abokan Haɗin Gwiwa tabbas suna son tsara wannan kundin
tsarin mulki bisa ga muradunsu. Wannan abu ne a bayyane.

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To, wannan shi ne bayani kai tsaye na Carlo
Schmidt game da mahaifina a matsayin shaida.

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Kuma har yanzu ana bayyana a cikin Sashe na 120
na Dokar Asali cewa gwamnatin tarayya ce ke biyan

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kuɗin mamaye. Wato, a cikin sigar yanzu ta 2025.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa idan dole ne ku biya
kuɗin haya, mu ma tabbas muna da aikin yi.

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Ba mu da kundin tsarin mulki.

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Domin, bisa ga ƙa'idodin dokar ƙasa da ƙasa,
cikakkiyar ƙasa tana da al'umma, iyakokin

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ƙasa, hukumomin ƙasa da kundin tsarin mulki.

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A cewar magana ta gaskiya, Jamhuriyar Tarayya ba ta
cika kowane ɗayan waɗannan abubuwa uku ba. Ba ƙasa ba

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ce, domin duk 'yan ƙasarta 'yan ƙasar Jamus na Reich ne.

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Waɗanda za su iya tabbatar da wannan ta hanyar asalin kakanninsu.

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Don haka Jamhuriyar Tarayya kanta ba
ta da dokar zama ɗan ƙasa mai inganci.

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Kuma iyakokin ƙasa ba su wanzu. Domin iyakokin ƙasa na
gaskiya an kafa su ne ta Daular Jamus a shekarar 1871.

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Don haka Jamhuriyar Tarayya ta kafa a matsayin tsarin
gudanarwa, wani yanki na tattalin arziki. Ta hannun ikon mamaye.

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Kuma mai mamaye ba shi da hakkin kakaba masa sabon jiha.

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Don haka, daga hangen dokar ƙasa da ƙasa,
Daular Jamus ta shekarar 1871 ba ta canza ba.

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Kla.TV: Don haka, idan na fahimce ka daidai, Jamhuriyar Tarayyar
Jamus ba komai ba ce illa tsarin gudanarwa da aka kafa, mu ce,

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ta hannun ƙasashen da suka yi nasara, domin kiyaye tsarin jama'a.

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Wannan ya kai ni ga tambayata ta gaba.

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Saboda masu duba gaskiya da ake kira sau da yawa suna
jayayya cewa dole ne jiha da hukumominta su zama kamfanoni.

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Ana yawan cewa Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus
kamfani ne mai iyaka ko wani abu makamancin

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haka, wata korporasiya ce. Domin ta iya yin aiki.

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Don kada a sami asarar 'yanci ko ikon jiha da
ke tattare da shi. Don kada a sami wata asara.

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Amma yaya kake kallonsa? Shin wannan yanzu, wannan abu da
mu a asali kawai, mu ce, kamfani ne, kuma muna da katin

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shaida, shin hakan wata alama ce ta wannan tsarin gudanarwa?

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Kuma cewa mu ba mu kasance ƙasa ta gaske ba, cewa
Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus ba ƙasa ta gaske ba

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kwata-kwata, sai dai kawai wata raka'a ta gudanarwa ce?

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Shin wannan alama ce ta wannan?

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MH: Wannan tabbas alama ce na hakan.

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A wancan lokacin, a shekarar 1990, a lokacin abin da ake kira
haɗin kai wanda bai faru ba, Ministan Harkokin Waje na Amurka da

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na Jamus, wato na Tarayyar Soviet, sun yi amfani da haƙƙinsu na
kawance na yin tanadi kuma sun goge Dokar Asali

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ba tare da maye gurbinsa ba, suna goge fadin
aikace-aikacen ta, Muka 23, inda aka fayyace hakan.

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Kowane doka na buƙatar a fayyace iyakokin aikace-aikacenta.

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GDR ta na da kundin tsarin mulki. Kuma an
yanke shi a gefe ɗaya, kamar ana soke fasfo.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa tun daga wannan lokaci, 18 ga Yuli 1990,
lokacin da hakan ya faru, ko daidai a ranar 17 ga Yuli

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1990, a ranar 18 ga Yuli 1990, Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus
da Jamus ta Gabas (GDR) an ayyana su ba su da inganci.

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Babu wanda ke da ikon mulki na cikakke a yanzu.

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Daga ma'ajiin kudi na kowace jam'iyya zuwa gaba, babu wanda ke
da wani iko, ko iko mai cin gashin kansa, na yin magana a

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madadin Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus (FRG) ko Jamus ta Gabas (GDR).

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Kuma an ɓoye wannan ga al'ummar Jamus.

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Kuma da haka, a zahiri ya kasance kamar a cikin fanko.

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Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus ba a mamaye ta ba ta fuskar ma'aikata,
domin ƙasashen haɗin gwiwar yaki, musamman Amurka, wacce

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ita ce ƙasar yammacin haɗin gwiwar da ta yi nasara, sun soke
ikon mulkenta. Don haka ba a mamaye ta ba a wannan ma'anar.

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Sai Genscher da Kohl suka yi rijistar
Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus a matsayin kamfani a Delaware.

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Kuma Genscher ya goge BRD daga Kundin Charta na
Majalisar Dinkin Duniya kuma ya rubuta Jamus.

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Haka kuma a matsayin kamfani. An yi
rijistar su a matsayin kamfani a Delaware.

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Za ka iya duba shi a cikin tsarin bayanan fayil na ƙasa da ƙasa
na kamfanoni. Ana kiran sa UPIC. Don haka za ka iya duba shi.

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Kuma a nan an ce, Shugaba Steinmeier na Jamhuriyar Tarayya,
lambar kamfani, adireshin kamfani, don haka duk

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kamfanoni ne gaba ɗaya, domin dole ta yi rijistar Kohl a
matsayin kamfani, saboda an janye tushen kundin tsarin mulki.

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Kla.TV: Dr Haug, mu koma kan wannan katin shaida.

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Don haka, idan wannan katin shaida ya yi kama da katin
ID na kamfani daga Jamus, Kamfanin Jamus, me ya sa haka?

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MH: Akwai ƙa'idodin ƙasa da ƙasa waɗanda, a ƙa'ida, mu fursunoni
ne. Har zuwa yanzu, a zahiri mun kasance fursunoni,

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watakila da ɗan 'yanci kaɗan fiye da yadda muke da
shi a yanzu a gidan yari, amma muna da wannan matsayi.

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Kuma akwai ƙa'idoji da ke tanadar da cewa
dole ne a ba waɗannan mutane takardar

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tafiye-tafiye. Katin shaida ko takardar tafiye-tafiye.

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Kat ɗin shaida yana nuna cewa mu ma'aikata ne. Na kan
yi aiki a wani wuri a lokacin hutu, misali a Daimler.

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Na saba aiki a wani wuri duk lokacin hutu, a Daimler
ko wani wuri daban, kuma Daimler ta ba ka katin

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shaida saboda an ɗauke ka aiki a wurin a wancan lokacin.

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Kuma wannan daidai yake da kamfanin ciniki na BRD,
wanda daga baya ke ba mutane katin shaida mai dacewa.

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Kuma hakan a fili yana nuna cewa mu ma kawai ma'aikata ne.

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Kla.TV: Kuma don haka ba shi da ƙasa.

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MH: Kuma ba shi da ƙasa ma.

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Kla.TV: Don haka, idan a yanzu a Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus muna
da kamfani guda ɗaya kawai kuma babu wata sahihin kundin tsarin

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mulki, sai dai wata umarnin gudanarwa don kiyaye zaman lafiya da
tsaron jama'a, bari in faɗa haka: menene damar da komawa ga

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ainihin German Reich, ga ainihin kundin tsarin mulki wanda
har yanzu yake da inganci a yau, ke bayarwa ga mutanen Jamus

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ko ga 'yan ƙasar Jamus? Shin wannan ma yana da muhimmanci?

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Shin takarda ce tsohuwa mai ƙura kawai, ko kuwa tana
da wani abu mai muhimmanci da za ta gaya mana a yau?

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MH: Wannan yana da matuƙar muhimmanci.

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Tabbas, yana da matuƙar muhimmanci a cimma
yanayin zaman lafiya, haka kuma yanayin yaki, ta hanyar

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yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya. Wannan shi ne sharadi.

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Sa'an nan, daga hangen dokar ƙasa da ƙasa, za mu sake zama wata
ƙasa, wata ƙasa da aka amince da ita. Kuma za mu sake

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samun haƙƙoƙin ƙasa da suka dace da hakan, waɗanda
ba mu da su a halin yanzu a Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus.

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Lallai mu 'yan ƙasa marasa ƙasa ne, dukkanmu 'yan Jamus.

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Zai iya zama abin mamaki, amma gaskiya ne.

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Sa'an nan za mu sake samun hakkokin kundin tsarin
mulki da ikon kai a karkashin dokar kasa da kasa.

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Kuma wannan kundin tsarin mulki na iya zama tsoho, tun
daga 1871, kuma watakila ya ɗan tsufa, amma ba haka ba ne.

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An samu manyan nasarori.

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Kuma a can, misali, sun kuma tattauna
yadda halin haraji yake a Daular Jamus.

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Akwai harajin sayarwa na kashi 4% kawai.

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Ba a samu harajin kuɗin shiga kwata-kwata ba, sai dai
ƙaramin kaso na harajin kuɗin shiga bayan an wuce wani iyaka.

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Wannan yana nufin, bari in ba ka misali, idan har
VAT ɗin ya kai kashi 4% kawai, mu ɗauki farashin mai.

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Idan muna magana ne game da yau, ina da dizal mai kusan
1.70, sai ka ƙididdige shi da kanka: idan kana da VAT na

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kashi 4% kawai, to farashin mai tabbas zai bambanta gaba ɗaya.

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A yau, akwai wani ɓangare na haraji kimanin
senti 80, musamman kan mai. Ni kuma ina da ragi sau

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biyar, wato kimanin senti 70 ne farashin mai na.

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Don haka ina ganin wannan misali ne kawai da ke nuna
cewa lallai yana ba wa al'ummar Jamus manyan fa'idodi.

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Kuma tabbas, hakan ma yana game da
bangarorin kuɗi, abin bayyane ne.

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Don haka, a wancan lokacin, mai karbar
fansho yana da matsakaicin euro 3,000 a kowane

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wata, misali, idan aka mayar da shi zuwa euro.

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Ina ganin mafi yawan masu karbar fansho ba su da wata
matsala da shi; wasu ma suna da fiye, amma su ne kaɗan.

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Idan za ka iya samun fansho mai kyau a nan ba tare da
biyan haraji mai yawa ba, hakan ma babban matsala ne a

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gare mu, idan ka kalli masu tattara kwalabe da sauransu.

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Don haka hakan yana da fa'idodi da yawa.

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Za mu iya ci gaba da tattaunawa a kai na wata rabin
sa'a, game da fa'idodi—a gaskiya, babu komai sai fa'idodi.

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Amma kawai ina so in ambaci wannan muhimmin bangare guda.

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Kla.TV: Yanzu ga wata tambaya. Don haka idan Jamhuriyar
Tarayyar Jamus a zahiri kamfani ce kawai, shin an yi mata

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rijista a matsayin kamfani, kamfani mai iyaka ko menene?

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MH: Ba a yi rijista da shi a matsayin kamfani mai
iyaka ba, an yi rijista da shi kawai a matsayin

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kamfani. Kla.TV: An yi rijista da shi a matsayin kamfani.

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Kuma mu kawai muna da wasu ƙa'idodin gida,
wani tsari ne kawai da ke tsara yadda muke

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rayuwa tare, amma ba wata kundin tsarin mulki ba.

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To, me game da mummunan bashin ƙasa da muke fuskanta?

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To, shin suna da alaƙa da mu a gaskiya?

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Ko wannan ba al'amari ne na kamfani ba, ba
na mazauna, wato 'yan ƙasar Jamus na gaske?

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Menene wannan game da? Shin yana da alaƙa da shi?

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MH: Wannan tambaya ce mai kyau sosai. Mu koma bangaren kuɗi.

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Bashin ƙasa ko bashin wannan kamfanin
kasuwanci ba su da alaƙa da Daular Jamus.

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Ba su wanzu kwata-kwata. A ka'ida, ba su wanzu.

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Masu biyan haraji na Jamus suna biyan
tsakanin €10,000 da €15,000 a kowace shekara a kan

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riba kaɗai, saboda wannan mummunan ƙimar riba.

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Ina ganin hakan zai kasance da matuƙar amfani ga kowace gida.

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Kuma waɗannan bashin, tabbas, ba su da alaƙa da Daular
Jamus, domin Daular Jamus tana da arziki kuma za ta iya

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sake samun arziki idan aka tsara abubuwa yadda ya kamata.

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Kla.TV: Kyau. Haka yake yanzu. Shugaban Amurka
Donald Trump da gwamnatinsa suna matuƙar tausayawa 'yanci

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da ikon yanke shawara na kansu na 'yan ƙasar Turai.

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Kwanan nan a Taron Tsaro na Munich.

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Vance ya kuma yi magana sosai yana goyon
bayan 'yancin kafofin watsa labarai da duk

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waɗannan abubuwa da dimokuraɗiyya da sauransu.

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A ra'ayinka, wane matakai gwamnatin Trump za ta ɗauka don bai wa
Jamus da mutanen Jamus damar cimma irin wannan zaman

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lafiya da yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya, domin su sake samun
'yancinsu da ikon kai kuma su zama ƙasa a karo na gaba?

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Don haka duk waɗannan ƙimomi, waɗanda a fili kuka
rasa a tsawon tarihin, kamar yadda kuka bayyana yanzu.

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Me Trump zai yi?

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MH: Don haka, musamman, wakilai na gaskiya na Daular Jamus
ta 1871, waɗanda mutane suka zaɓa a zaɓe na dimokuraɗiyya.

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A kaina, ba ni mai goyon bayan jam'iyya sosai ba.

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Hakanan za ka iya gudanar da zaɓen kashin kai, domin ka
iya jefa ƙuri'a ga mutumin da kake son ya kasance a can.

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Kuma, tabbas, abokan haɗin gwiwa
dole ne su zauna a tebur a kowane hali.

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Don haka duk abokan haɗin gwiwa huɗu
ne. Faransa ba ta taka muhimmiyar rawa.

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Rasha da Amurka a halitta suna taka muhimmiyar rawa.

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Kuma a nan, tabbas, dole ne a gudanar da
tattaunawa na ainihi kan yadda za a koma mataki-mataki

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zuwa Daular Jamus ta dimokuradiyya ta shekarar 1871.

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Wannan kundin tsarin mulki na 1871, wanda aka fitar a watan
Afrilu 1871, an zabe shi ta hanyar dimokuradiyya

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tsakanin jam'iyyu daban-daban: Jam'iyyar
Tsakani, wadda ta gabaci CDU, da SPD sun riga sun wanzu.

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Sannan an kuma ba su izinin jefa ƙuri'a a gabashin Jamus.

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Kuma an amince da shi da rinjaye mai yawa,
an amince da wannan kundin tsarin mulki.

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A gaskiya, sarki babba ba komai ba ne illa wakili
ga duniya ta waje. Kamar ministan harkokin waje.

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Ba shi da wani babban haƙƙi ko wani abu makamancin haka.

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Mutum na tunanin cewa za a samu
masarauta, sannan za a ware shi daga wani sarki.

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Ita masarauta ce ta kundin tsarin mulki.

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Amma inda sarki, kamar yadda na ce, shi ne mai magana da waje.

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Kuma sauran abubuwa ana ƙayyade su
ta hanyar dimokuradiyya iri ɗaya.

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A cikin Reichstag, kamar yadda har
yanzu muke da shi a yau, a gefe guda.

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Reichstag, ba a kira shi Reichstag
a Berlin ba ba tare da dalili ba.

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Wakilan Reichstag na gaskiya za su sake tsara gyare-gyaren doka,
su tsara ka'idoji da sauransu a cikin tsarin dimokuradiyya.

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Don haka babu buƙatar damuwa game da komawa
zamanin duhu ko wani abu makamancin haka.

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Ko a wancan lokacin, an tsara shi ta hanyar dimokuradiyya sosai.

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Kla.TV: Eh, don haka, idan na fahimta daidai, Shugaba Donald
Trump zai tabbatar, idan yana damuwa da 'yancin

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'yan Turai, cewa, misali, waɗannan wakilan Daular Jamus
su zo tebur su tattauna yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya.

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Kuma me kuma zai yi?

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MH: Eh, tabbas, wani muhimmin lamari a Jamus
shi ne cewa Amurka ce ke mamaye mu mafi yawa.

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Akwai fiye da sansanonin soja 30, manyan sansanonin soja a nan.

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Adadin sojoji nan ba da jimawa ba zai zarce na Sojin Birtaniya.

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Don haka ba za ka iya cewa ba mu da aiki ba.

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Muna cikin mamaya yadda ya kamata. Za ka iya ganin
hakan daga sansanonin soja da yawa. Babu abin da ya canza.

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Ana kiran wannan Dokar Soja, wadda har yanzu take aiki a
yau. An kuma sanya ta a cikin Jaridar Dokokin Tarayya.

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Na yi bincike sosai kan duk
wannan. Don haka ni kamar beran ƙasa ne.

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Na kwashe kwanaki a ɗakunan karatun
doka kuma na sami waɗannan majiyoyi.

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An kuma bayyana a cikin Jaridar Dokokin Tarayya
ta 1994 cewa komai zai ci gaba da kasancewa

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yadda yake. Za mu ci gaba da kasancewa cikin mamaye.

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Don haka a zahiri da a doka an mamaye mu.

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Kuma Trump ba zai janye sojojinsa daga nan ba
har sai mun sami yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya.

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Dole ne a warware wannan. Babu abin
da zai faru har sai an warware shi.

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Akwai murya da yawa suna cewa, eh, 'yan
Amurka, lokaci ya yi da ku koma gida.

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Wannan ba zai yi aiki ba saboda muna
cikin yankin da sojoji suka mamaye.

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Kuma ba za a yi komai ba har sai mun
tattauna wannan a cikin yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya.

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Sa'an nan za mu iya dawo da ikonmu na ainihi.

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Kla.TV: Don haka, idan na fahimta daidai, Donald
Trump da gwamnatinsa za su fara tabbatar da

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cewa lauyoyi su tattauna yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya.

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Sa'an nan sai dole ne ya juyar da mamayar ta wata
hanya. MH: Ka kawo ƙarshen sa. Kla.TV: Ka kawo ƙarshen sa.

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Kuma kawai ku tsaya, a aikace, ku ba Jamus damar
sake aiki bisa ga kundin tsarin mulkinta na 1871

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da hukumomin jiha da aka kafa a wancan lokacin.

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Shin na fahimta daidai? MH: Ka fahimta daidai.

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Halin asali na Trump. Na riga na tuntube shi sau ɗaya.

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Ya mayar min da martani nan take. Na yi mamaki.

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Bayan 'yan kwanaki, ya mayar min da martani. Ta imel ne.

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A bayyane yake a tsakanin layuka cewa kawai yana
cewa, to, ku 'yan Jamus, wannan ma harkarku ce.

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Ban so in tsoma baki sosai ko in yi umarni ba.

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Yana da isasshen aiki a Amurka, a cikin Tarayyar Amurka.

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Don haka an nuna cewa ainihin ya rage ga
'yan Jamus su koma can su dawo da ikon kansu.

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Amma tabbas, wannan zai yiwu ne kawai a cikin
tattaunawa da Putin a halin yanzu. Da Trump ma.

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Saboda waɗannan har yanzu su ne dokoki na gaskiya.

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Kla.TV: To. Don haka Trump ma zai
yi daidai da Putin kan batun Jamus.

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Ya kamata a kuma yi tattaunawa. Ya
kamata ya zama batun tattaunawa.

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Kuma su biyun, watakila tare da Birtaniya da Faransa, za su yi
shawara tare, su ce, "To, za ku iya komawa yadda

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kuka kasance a da, bisa ga tsohuwar kundin tsarin
mulki da har yanzu take nan, sannan ku sake aiki."

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Amma idan na fahimta daidai, dole ne wannan yunƙuri ya fito
ne daga ikon mamaye, wanda daga baya zai sa hakan ya yiwu.

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MH: Duk biyun. Wata hanya ce ta haɗuwa.

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Kuma, tabbas, dole ne wani ya ɗauki mataki na farko.

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Mataki ƙanana ƙwarai da na ɗauka wajen tuntuɓar sa kwata-kwata.

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Kuma ya san daidai abin da ke faruwa.

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Domin a lokacin zaman majalisar dokoki na baya, ya ce
a zahiri yana son ba Jamus yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya.

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Gaskiyar cewa yanzu ya rataya a
kansa, ana iya yin hakan tun da dadewa.

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Amma ya bayyana shi da kalmomi, kuma na
tabbata mutane da yawa ma sun san shi.

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Kuma da yawa watakila ba su yi komai ba game da shi saboda sun
yi tunanin muna da wani abu kamar yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya.

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Ba ya faɗin hakan ba ba tare da dalili ba.
Sun san daidai abin da ke faruwa a Jamus.

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Kuma Putin ya ce a wannan mahallin cewa shi ma yana
so ya kammala yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya da Jamus.

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Ba shi da masaniya da wane zai sanya hannu
a kai. A wancan lokacin, lokacin Merkel ne.

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Kuma ba ita ce wakiliyar doka ta Daular Jamus ba.

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Shi ya sa ya tsara maganar daidai sosai ta
wata hanya mai zagaye. Dole ne ka kula da hakan.

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Kla.TV: Amma ta yaya gwamnatin Amurka da kuma
Tarayyar Rasha za su iya goyon baya, don ni kaɗai,

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cewa wakilai masu dacewa su zo teburin tattaunawa?

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MH: Kamar yadda na ce, wannan ba
shakka lamari ne ga mutanen Jamus.

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Ina da abokai a can waɗanda ke da
kyakkyawar alaƙa a ofishin jakadancin Rasha.

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Kuma sun ce za mu iya tattaunawa da Putin
a matsayin daidaitattu. Yana da buɗaɗɗe.

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Idan muka tura wakilai, ko da na ɗan
lokaci ne kawai, ba zai rufe ƙofa ba.

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Mun bayyana hakan a fili ga mutanen ofishin
jakadanci da kuma ga kanmu, a ce. Kofofi suna buɗe.

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Yana kan mu mu tabbatar an karɓe mu a matsayin daidaitattu,
mu ɗauki waɗannan matakai ma, mu miƙa hannu ga juna.

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Hakan na tasowa a hankali ga Jamus.

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Kla.TV: Wani batu mai ban sha'awa, Dr Haug.

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Mai kyau. Kuma za ka iya karanta game da
yawancin waɗannan abubuwa, watakila a cikin littafinka.

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MH: Komai yana ciki, duk rubuce-rubucen
doka, tarihin, na yi bincike sosai kan komai.

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Ba ni mara kuskure ba. Kullum akwai
abubuwa da wani ya fi sani a kansu.

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Kai, na yi farin ciki da jin haka. Kullum ina yin sabbin bugu.

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Wannan shi ne bugu na biyu, inda na faɗaɗa
kuma na ƙara yalwata duk abin da ƙarin fahimta.

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Amma duk abin da ke cikinsa an yi masa cikakken bincike.

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Kla.TV: Kyakkyau. Dr Haug, na gode ƙwarai da gaske
da ka ba mu ɗan haske game da asirai na Daular Jamus.

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Tabbas mun yi taɓawa ne kawai a saman
maganar, amma abin sha'awa ne jin labarinsa.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa yanzu alhaki
ya rataya a kan 'yan Jamus da kansu.

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Kuma ƙasashen mamaye suna shirye su
saurara kuma su goyi bayan waɗannan abubuwa.

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MH: A kowane hali. A kwarewata dai.

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In ba haka ba, ba za a samu amsa cikin sauri
haka ba tare da Trump, misali, da wakilan Rasha.

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Kla.TV: Kyau. MH: Na gode ƙwarai. Kla.TV: Eh, ba komai. MH: Ina
so in ce a wannan lokaci cewa na sami damar isar da wani abu.

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Har yanzu a saman. Wataƙila za a yi ƙarin
hirarraki inda za mu zurfafa kaɗan a wasu wurare.

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Ya danganta. Wannan zai taimaka. Na gode sosai.

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Kla.TV: Kyau. Na gode da niyyarku. MH: Na gode.