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Kla.TV: Ngaka Haug, re leboha haholo ka
ho ipha nako ea ho bua le rona kajeno.

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U mongoli oa buka Das Deutsche Reich 1871 bis heute (Mmuso oa
Jeremane ho tloha ka 1871 ho fihlela kajeno). Ho fihlela kajeno?

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Ngaka Haug, ho na le khang e kholo mabapi le qoso ea hore
Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane ha se naha, hore e na le

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Molao oa Motheo feela empa ha e na molaotheo,
hore ha e na selekane sa khotso, hore ha e na meeli

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ea naha e hlalositsoeng le hore ha e na boipuso.

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Le Majeremane ha a na naha.

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Joaloka lentsoe le hanyetsang pale e atileng, ka kopo hlalosetsa
bashebelli ka bokhutšoanyane le ka ho hlaka pono ea hau mabapi le

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hore na ho tsoela pele ho ba teng ha German Reich ho bolela'ng ka
maikutlo a hau, le hore na litaba tsena tse tsosang khang

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le tse ngangisanoang ka tsona li amana joang le ho tsoela
pele ho ba teng ha German Reich, ho ea ka kutloisiso ea hau.

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Matthes Haug: Pele ho tsohle, ke
leboha haholo ka memo, Monghadi Matten.

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E, ke ngotse buka ea 1871 ho fihlela ha Jwale, hobane
Mmuso wa Jeremane o thehilwe ka 1871 Holong ya Dibaesekopo

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e Versailles tlasa Bismarck le Mmusimoholo Wilhelm I.

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E ne e ananelletsoe, e amohetsoe ke linaha
tse 46 tseo baemeli ba tsona ba neng ba le

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teng moo mme ba e ananela, Mmuso oa Jeremane.

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Mme Mmuso ona wa Majeremane ha o eso ka o qhalwa.

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E ne e ke ke ya qhalwa ho hang, hobane sena se ne se tla
hloka melao e boetse e tiisitsweng molaotheong wa 1871,

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e laolang hore na, mohlala, molaotheo o ka qhalwa jwang.

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Molaotheo ona ha o eso ka o qhaloa.

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Eaba ho ba le Ntoa ea Pele ea Lefatše, 'me kamorao ho
eona, ha e le hantle, e bile feela khotso ea nakoana.

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Ha ho mohla ho bileng le tumellano ea 'nete ea khotso.
Tumellano ea Versailles e ne e se tumellano ea khotso.

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Kahoo e ne e le khotso ea nakoana feela. Ka hona,
'Muso oa Jeremane o ntse o le teng ho fihlela kajeno.

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E se ke ea ferekanyoa le Mmuso oa Boraro oa Reich.
Hangata li ferekanngoa. Mmuso oa Boraro oa Reich

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le 'Muso oa Mojeremane oa 1871 ha li amane ka letho.

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Ho e-na le hoo, e ka saloa morao ho fihla feela
'musong ona oa 'mampoli, o tsoetseng pele ho ba

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teng ntle le ho hlabisoa lihlong ho fihlela kajeno.

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Kla.TV: Ka maikutlo a hau, ke menyetla efe le litlamorao
life tse hlahang taba ea hore Mmuso oa Jeremane (German

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Reich) o ntse o tsoela pele ho ba teng ho fihlela kajeno?

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Na ho na le menyetla e kgethehileng
bakeng sa baahi ho bopeng bokamoso?

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MH: Ho na le menyetla e metle haholo. Mme ho latela molao
feela, ena ha se maikutlo a ka, empa ke taba ea nnete ea molao.

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Kahoo, ho ya ka molao feela, molaotheo wa 1871 le ona o sebetsa.

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Hobane Mmuso ona oa Jeremane o ntse o le ntoeng, ka
molao-motheo, le kajeno. Ke hore, o emeng feela ntoeng.

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Mme ke Mmuso ona feela wa Jeremane o
ka boelang wa saena selekane sa kgotso.

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Rephaboliki ea Federale e ne e ntse e le siyo ka nako eo.

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Ha e le hantle, e thehiloe feela ka la 3 Pherekhong 1950, kamorao
hore lengolo la ho qetela la tumello le romeloe ho Manyesemane.

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Kahoo motho a ka nahana hore e thehilwe ka 1949.

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Ke entse dipatlisiso ka botebo ka sena
sohle mme ka se hlahisa ka nepo e kgolo.

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Ke thahasella lintlha feela, ha ho letho le
leng. Ka lebaka leo, ke tshwana hantle le rasaense.

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Ka hona, Rephaboliki ea Federale ha ea ka ea
thehoa ho fihlela ka la 3 Pherekhong 1950.

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Ka hona, ho ke ke ha kgoneha ho saena tumellano ya kgotso, kaha
Rephaboliki ya Federale ya Jeremane ha e eso be sera ntweng.

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Mme selekane sa kgotso se tlameha ho latela ka mora ntwa.

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Mme sena se hloka baemedi ba molaong ba Mmuso wa Jeremane.

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Kla.TV: Mme baemeli bana ba molaong ba ne ba se ba
le teng le ho hang dipuisanong tsena tsa kgotso.

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Ho na le sela seo ho thoeng ke sela sa 2 le
4. Na tsohle li bile lefeela, joalokaha ba re?

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MH: Ka Sejeremane, "Für den Katz" ha e bolele "bakeng sa katse".

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Hantle, eo ke taba e fapaneng.

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Baemeli ba tumellano ya kgotso ba ne ba le siyo kamehla.

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Eo e ka be e bile Mmusimogolo William I kapa II.

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Ea pele o ile a lateloa ke William II.

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Kahoo seo e ka be e bile moemedi ya loketseng.

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Leha ho le jwalo, o ile a ya botshabelong,
kahoo o ne a se a le siyo mme a sa fumanehe.

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Mme Rephaboliki ya Weimar e ile ya phatlalatswa feela ho
nyelletse molaotheo o neng o le molaong wa 1871. Sena ha

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se kgonehe tlasa molao wa matjhaba le molao wa molaotheo.

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Sena se bolela hore ho ne ho se na moemeli
ya molaong wa Mmuso wa Jeremane wa 1871.

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Bana e ne e le boradipolotiki ba iketsetsang le
batho ba neng ba se na matla leha e le afe a ho saena

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selekane sa khotso bakeng sa 'Muso oa Jeremane ka 1871.

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Eaba ba buisana, mme jwale re tla tlolela hanyane
ho Tumellano ya Bobedi bo Eketsehileng bo Bane.

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Ha ho buuoa ka ho toba, e bitsoa Tumellano ea
Bone le Peli. Ke kamoo Balekane ba e bitsang kateng.

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Kahoo, Balekane ba bane, Soviet Union, Engelane, Fora le
USA, le FRG, Rephaboliki e Kopaneng ea Jeremane le GDR.

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Tsena li ne li reretsoe ho theha Jeremane e kopaneng
ho latela tumellano ena. Seo se ka be se tiisitsoe.

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Ka kutlwisiso ena, Jeremane e kopaneng ha e a ka ya fihlellwa.

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Ho re Jeremane e kopane ho bolela Jeremane
kaofela kamoo e neng e le kateng ka 1871.

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Ke kopano e phethahetseng.

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Jeremane e ile ea aroloa ka likarolo tse
tharo kamorao ho Ntoa ea Bobeli ea Lefatše.

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Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane, eo ka nako eo e neng e le
Rephaboliki ea Demokerasi ea Jeremane, kapa

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Jeremane e Bohareng ho qolla hantle. Le libaka tse
neng li laoloa ke Jeremane Bochabela ka Poland.

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Mme ha ho letho le fetohileng ntlheng eo ho fihlela kajeno.

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Ka hona, Jeremane e kopaneng e ne e ke ke ea
thehoa ke FRG ka karolo e le 'ngoe feela ho tse

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tharo tsena, kapa esita le ka likarolo tse 'maloa.

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Ka hona ba dula ba re Tumellano ena ya Four Plus Two, le ya
Two Plus Four, e ka ba selekane sa kgotso se batlang se le teng.

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Ha ho na ntho e bitsoang selekane sa khotso se sa
phethahalang. Se bitsoa ka ho hlaka hore ke selekane sa khotso.

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Mme qetellong, tumellano ena ha e a ka ya
tiiswa ke mekgatlo yohle e neng e e saena.

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Feela ka Russia. E leng ntho e khahlang haholo.

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Ke Russia feela e tiisitseng selekane sena.

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Mme Genscher, eo ka nako eo e neng e le Mongodi
wa Ditaba tsa Kantle wa Rephaboliki e Kopaneng

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ya Jeremane, ha a ka a e tiisa ho ya ka melawana.

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O tlameha ho saena mona ka botlalo, e
leng seo a se entseng konterakeng e kholo.

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Ha ho ne ho tluwa tabeng ya tiisetso, o ile a
ngola feela ditlhaku tsa pele tsa mabitso a

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hae. Ha ho lebitso la pele, kapa letho le leng.

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Mme ha ho buuoa ka nepo, seo se kgahlanong le melawana.

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Ka hona, selekane sena ha se a ka sa
tiisoa ka molao. Ke sona se bohlokoa.

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Kla.TV: Ngaka Haug, haeba ke u utlwisitse hantle,
jwale molaotheo wa 1871 o ntse o sebetsa le kajeno.

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Empa he, Molao oa Motheo ke eng? O bohlokoa hakae?

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MH: Molao oa Motheo o thehiloe holim'a Tumellano ea Hague. Oo ke
molao oa machaba. O laola boemo ba ntoa le maemo a kamora ntoa.

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Kla.TV: HLKO e bolela'ng? MH: Tumellano ea Hague ea Ntoa ea Naha.

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Na moahi o tlameha ho fa baahi molao-motheo?

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Ho boloka tatellano, taeo le
kgotso. Ke kamoo ho hlaloswang kateng.

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Ke ka lebaka leo e bitsoang Molao oa Motheo oa
Rephaboliki e Kopaneng ea Jeremane, eseng Molao

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oa Motheo oa Rephaboliki e Kopaneng ea Jeremane.

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Kahoo ke tokelo ea moahi. Pale e khutšoanyane.

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Ntate o ne a tseba Carlo Schmidt, e
mong oa bathehi ba molaotheo oa Jeremane.

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E ne e le setho se seholo sa mokgatlo wa banna wa ntate.

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Mme, a ntse a thabile hanyane ka lebaka la
mekete, o ile a pepesa diphiri tse ding.

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Mme a re, o a tseba, re ne re dumelletswe ho kenya diqetello
feela. Taba yohle e neng e setse e ne e se e rerilwe esale pele.

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Ka tlhaho, Balekane ba batla ho bopa molaotheo ona ho
latela lithahasello tsa bona. Seo se hlakile, ehlile.

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Kahoo, eo ke polelo e tobileng ya Carlo
Schmidt mabapi le ntate jwalo ka paki.

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Mme ho ntse ho boletswe Molaong wa Motheo, Karolong ya
120, kajeno hore mmuso wa kopanelo o lefa

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ditshenyehelo tsa ho dula. E leng, mofutsong wa hajwale wa 2025.

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Sena se bolela hore haeba le lefa
ditshenyehelo tsa ho dula, le rona re phathahane.

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Ha re na molaotheo.

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Hobane, ho ya ka ditekanyetso tsa molao wa
matjhaba, naha e loketseng e na le baahi,

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meedi ya naha, ditheo tsa naha le molaotheo.

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Ha ho buuoa ka ho tiea, Rephaboliki ea Federale ha e so
phethahatse leha e le e 'ngoe ea lintlha

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tsena tse tharo. Ha se sechaba, hobane baahi
bohle ba sona ke baahi ba Reich ea Jeremane.

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Ba ka paka sena ka moloko oa bona oa baholo-holo.

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Kahoo Rephaboliki ea Federale ka boeona
ha e na molao o nepahetseng oa boahi.

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Mme meedi ya dinaha le yona ha e yo. Hobane meedi ya
nnete ya dinaha e thehilwe ke Mmuso wa Jeremane ka 1871.

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Ka hona, Rephaboliki ea Federale e ile ea thehoa e le sebopeho
sa tsamaiso, sebaka sa moruo. Ke matla a neng a hapile naha.

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Mme matla a hatetseng ha a na
tokelo ya ho e qobella naha e ntjha.

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Ka hona, ho ya ka pono ya molao wa matjhaba,
Mmuso wa Jeremane wa 1871 o dula o sa fetoha.

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Kla.TV: Kahoo, haeba ke utloisitse hantle, Rephaboliki ea
Federale ea Jeremane ke feela sebopeho sa tsamaiso se thehiloeng

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ke, a re re, matla a hlotsoeng e le ho boloka khotso sechabeng.

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Seo se ntlisa potsolotsong ea ka e latelang.

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Hobane bahlahlobi ba lintlha bao ho thoeng ke
bona hangata ba pheha kgang ya hore mmuso

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le balaodi ba ona e tlameha ho ba dikhamphani.

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Ho atisa ho thwe Rephaboliki ya Federale ya
Jeremane ke khamphani e lekanyeditsweng kapa ntho e

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jwalo, e leng mokgatlo. E le hore e kgone ho nka kgato.

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E le hore ho se be le tahlehelo ea tokoloho kapa boipuso ba
naha e amanang le eona. E le hore ho se be le litahlehelo.

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Empa u bona taba ena jwang? Na hona jwale, na ntho ena eo re
leng yona, ha re ka re ke khamphani feela, e bile e na le karata

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ya boitsebiso, na hoo ke sesupo sa moralo ona wa tsamaiso?

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Le hore ha e le hantle ha re naha ea sebele, ke
hore, hore Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane ha se

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naha ea sebele, empa ke karolo feela ea tsamaiso?

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Na hoo ke sesupo sa sena?

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MH: Ruri hoo ke sesupo sa seo.

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Mehleng eo, ka 1990, nakong ea seo ho thoeng ke kopano hape, e sa
kang ea etsahala, Letona la Litaba tsa Kantle ho Naha la Amerika

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le Letona la Litaba tsa Kantle ho Naha la Jeremane, ke hore, la
Soviet Union, ba ile ba sebelisa tokelo ea bona ea ho behela

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thibelo e le Mafats'e a Kopaneng 'me ba hlakola Molao
oa Motheo ntle le ho o nkela sebaka, ba hlakola le

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sebaka sa tšebeliso, Karolo ea 23, moo o neng o hlalositsoe.

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Molao o mong le o mong o hloka moedi
o hlalositsweng wa tshebediso ya ona.

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GDR e ne e na le molaotheo. Mme ona o ne o sehiloeng
k'honeng e le 'ngoe, joalokaha eka ho hlakoloa pasepoto.

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Sena se bolela hore ho tloha nako ena, ka la 18 Phupu 1990, ha
sena se etsahala, kapa ho nepahala haholoanyane ka la 17 Phupu

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1990, har'a mpa ea bosiu ka la 18 Phupu
1990, Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane le

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GDR li ile tsa phatlalatsoa li se na matla.

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Ha ho sa na motho ea nang le matla a phahameng ka holim'a bohle.

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Ho tloha ho motšoari oa matlotlo oa mokha ka
mong ho ea pele, ho ne ho se na motho ea nang le

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matla, matla a phahameng a ho buella FRG kapa GDR.

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Mme sena se ile sa patelwa setjhaba sa Jeremane.

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Mme ka seo, e ne e batla e le ka sebakeng se se nang moya.

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Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane e ne e se e sa laoloe ka
mabapi le basebetsi, kaha Matla a Selekane, haholo-holo United

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States, e leng matla a Selekane a Bophirimela a
hlotsoeng, a ne a hlakotse matla a eona a

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boipuso. Kahoo e ne e se e sa laoloe ka moelelo oo.

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Mme Genscher le Kohl ba ile ba ngodisa Rephaboliki
ya Federale ya Jeremane e le khamphani Delaware.

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Mme Genscher a hlakola BRD ho Molao-motheo
wa Machaba a Kopaneng mme a e ngola Jeremane.

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Hape e le k'hamphani. E ngolisitsoe e le k'hamphani Delaware.

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U ka e batla tsamaisong ea machaba ea tlhahisoleseling
ea lik'hamphani. E bitsoa UPIC. Kahoo u ka e batla.

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Mme ho ngotswe teng, Mopresidente Steinmeier wa Rephaboliki ya
Federale, nomoro ya khamphani, aterese ya khamphani, kahoo

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kaofela ke dikhamphani tse fapaneng, hobane o
ile a tlameha ho ngodisa Kohl jwalo ka

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khamphani, hobane motheo wa molaotheo o ne o hlakotswe.

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Kla.TV: Ngaka Haug, ha re kgutlela kareteng ena ya boitsebiso.

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Joale haeba karete ena ea boitsebiso e tšoana feela le
karete ea boitsebiso ea k'hamphani e tsoang Jeremane,

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K'hamphani ea Jeremane, lebaka ke lefe bakeng sa seo?

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MH: Ho na le melao ea machaba e reng, ka molao-motheo, re
litšoaruoa. Ho fihlela joale, re 'nile ra e-ba

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litšoaruoa, mohlomong re na le tokoloho e nyane ho feta eo re
nang le eona hona joale chankaneng, empa re boemong boo.

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Mme ho na le melawana e behang hore batho bana ba lokela ho fuwa
tokomane ya maeto. Karete ya boitsebiso kapa tokomane ya maeto.

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Karete ea boitsebiso e bontša hore re
basebetsi. Ke ne ke tloaetse ho sebetsa kae-kae

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nakong ea matsatsi a phomolo, mohlala, Daimler.

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Ke ne ke tloaetse ho sebetsa kae-kae nakong ea matsatsi a
phomolo, ebang ke Daimler kapa sebakeng se

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seng, 'me o ne o fuoa karete ea boitsebiso ke
Daimler hobane o ne o hiriloe moo bakeng sa nako eo.

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Mme sena se tshwana hantle le kgwebo e
tsejwang ka lebitso la Federal Republic of

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Germany, e fanang ka karete ya boitsebiso ho batho.

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Mme seo se bontsha ka ho hlaka hore re basebetsi feela.

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Kla.TV: Ka hona le bona ha ba na naha.

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MH: Le ho hloka boemo ba botho.

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Kla.TV: Joale, haeba hona joale re na le k'hamphani e le 'ngoe
feela ho la Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane 'me ha ho na

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molaotheo oa 'nete, empa ho na le taelo ea tsamaiso feela ea ho
boloka khotso le tlhophiseho ea sechaba, e re ke e behe tjena, ke

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menyetla efe eo ho khutlela ho Mmuso oa 'nete oa Jeremane, ho
molaotheo oa 'nete, o ntseng o sebetsa le kajeno, ho

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fanang ka eona bakeng sa sechaba sa Jeremane kapa
bakeng sa baahi ba Jeremane? Na see se bohlokoa le ho hang?

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Na ke pampiri feela ea khale e lerole, kapa e
na le ho hong ha bohlokoa ho re bolella kajeno?

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MH: Hoo ke habohlokwa haholo.

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Ehlile, ho bohlokoa haholo ho fihlella boemo ba khotso, hammoho
le boemo ba ntoa, ka tumellano ea khotso. Ke tlhokahalo ea pele.

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Joale, ho ya ka pono ya molao wa matjhaba, re ne re tla boela re
ba naha, naha e tsebahalang. Mme hape re ne re tla

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boela re ba le ditokelo tsa naha, tseo ha re nang le
tsona hajwale tlasa Rephaboliki ya Federale ya Jeremane.

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Kannete ha re na naha, rona Majeremane kaofela.

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E ka utlwahala e sa kgolwehe, empa ke nnete.

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Jwale re tla boela re be le ditokelo tsa
molaotheo le boipuso tlasa molao wa matjhaba.

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Mme molaotheo ona o ka nna wa bonahala o le wa kgale, wa
1871, mme mohlomong o siilwe ke nako hanyane, empa ha ho jwalo.

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Ho bile le diphihlello tse kgolo.

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Mme moo, ka mohlala, ba ile ba boela ba bua
ka boemo ba lekgetho Mmusong wa Jeremane.

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Ho ne ho na le lekgetho la thekiso la 4% feela.

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Ho ne ho se na lekhetho la moputso ho hang, ho ne
ho le teng feela sekhahla se senyenyane sa lekhetho

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la moputso se leholimo ho feta tekanyetso e itseng.

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Seo se bolela hore, e re ke fane ka mohlala, haeba ho
na le VAT ea 4% feela, ha re nke litheko tsa mafura.

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Ha re bua ka kajeno, ke na le diesel, hoo e ka bang
1.70, joale o ka ikakanyetsa: haeba o na le VAT ea 4% feela,

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joale litheko tsa mafura li fapane ka ho feletseng hape.

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Kajeno, ho na le karolo ea lekhetho e ka bang lisente tse 80,
haholo-holo petroleng, 'me ke na le chelete

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e ka tlase haholo ka makhetlo a mahlano,
kahoo theko ea peterole e ka ba lisente tse 70.

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Kahoo ke nahana hore ona ke mohlala o le
mong feela o bontshang hore ehlile e fana ka

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melemo e meholo bakeng sa setjhaba sa Jeremane.

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Mme ehlile, ho boetse ho mabapi le
ditaba tsa ditjhelete, hoo ho hlakile.

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Ka hona, ka nako eo, mohlankana o ne a
fumana karolelano ea li-euro tse 3,000 ka

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khoeli, mohlala, ha li ne li fetoloa ho li-euro.

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Ke nahana hore mofani ea tloaelehileng ha a
na letho le le khahlanong le eona; ba bang

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ba na le ho feta, empa ke ba sa tloaelehang.

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Haeba o ka fumana penshene e ntle mona ntle le ho lefa
lekgetho le leholo, le hona ke bothata bo boholo ho rona,

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ha o sheba feela bahlokomedi ba mabotlolo ba bangata, jj.

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Kahoo seo se na le melemo e mengata.

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Re ka bua ka hona nako e 'ngoe ea halofo ea
hora, ka melemo—ha e le hantle, ke melemo feela.

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Empa ke mpa feela ke rata ho bolela
ntlha ena e le 'ngoe ea bohlokoa.

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Kla.TV: Joale re tlo ho potso e 'ngoe. Kahoo haeba Federal
Republic of Germany ha e le hantle e le

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feela k'hamphani, na e ngolisitsoe e le
k'hamphani, k'hamphani e lekanyelitsoeng kapa eng?

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MH: Ha e ngolisitsweng e le k'hamphani e lekanyeditsweng, empa
e le k'hamphani feela. Kla.TV: E ngolisitswe e le k'hamphani.

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Mme rona re na le feela mekgwa ya rona ya lapeng, e leng moralo
o hlophisang feela phedisano ya rona, empa ha re na molaotheo.

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Joale ho thoe'ng ka sekoloto se seholo se
tshabehang sa naha seo re tobaneng le sona?

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Na ruri li amana le rona he?

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Na eo hase taba ea k'hamphani, eseng ea
baahi, e leng baahi ba sebele ba Jeremane?

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Hoo e bua ka eng? Na ho na le kamano le taba?

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MH: Ke potso e ntle haholo. Ha re
kgutleleng lekaleng la ditjhelete.

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Sekoloto sa naha kapa likoloto tsa k'hamphani
ena ea khoebo ha se taba ea 'Muso oa Jeremane.

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Ha di yo feela. Ka molao-motheo, ha di sa le teng.

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Bafani ba lekgetho ba Jeremane ba tlameha ho lefa
pakeng tsa €10,000 le €15,000 ka selemo bakeng sa tswala

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feela, ka lebaka la sekgahla sena se tshabehang sa tswala.

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Ke nahana hore seo se ka ba molemo
haholo bakeng sa lelapa le leng le le leng.

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Mme dikoloto tsena, ehlile, ha se taba ya Mmuso wa
Jeremane, hobane Mmuso wa Jeremane o ne o ruile mme o ka

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boela wa ruela hape haeba dintho di ka laolwa hantle.

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Kla.TV: Hantle. Ke kamoo dintho di leng kateng hona jwale.
Mopresidente wa US Donald Trump le mmuso wa

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hae ba na le kutlwelobohloko e kgolo bakeng
sa tokoloho le boikemelo ba baahi ba Yuropa.

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Haufinyane tjena kopanong ya tshireletso ya Munich.

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Vance o ne a boetse a buile ka matla a maholo a
tšehetsa tokoloho ea boralitaba le lintho tsena kaofela,

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le ho theha puso ea sechaba ka demokrasi, joalo-joalo.

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Ka maikutlo a hao, ke mehato efe eo mmuso oa Trump o ka hlokang
ho e nka ho nolofalletsa Jeremane le sechaba sa Jeremane ho

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fihlella khotso le selekane sa khotso se
tšoanang, e le hore ba ka boela ba fumana

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tokoloho le boipuso ba bona le ho ba naha hape?

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Kahoo boleng bona kaofela, boo ho hlakileng hore le bo
lahlile ha nako e ntse e ea, joalokaha le sa tsoa hlalosa.

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Trump o ne a tla tlameha ho etsa eng?

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MH: Ka ho toba, sena se ka bolela baemeli ba
molaong ba 'Muso oa Jeremane oa 1871, ba neng ba

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tla khethoa ke sechaba likhethong tsa demokrasi.

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Ka bonna, ha ke motšehetsi e moholo oa mokha.

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Le wena o ka tshwara dikgetho tsa hao, hore
o tle o kgethe motho eo o batlang a be teng.

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Mme, ehlile, Mafatshe a Kopaneng a tlameha ho
dula fatshe tafoleng ka tsela efe kapa efe.

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Kahoo ke balekane bohle ba bane. Fora ha e na karolo e kholo.

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Russia le Amerika ka tlhaho di bapala karolo ya bohlokwahadi.

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Mme mona, ehlile, dipuisano tse tiileng le tsona di
tlameha ho etsahala mabapi le hore na ho ka kgutlelwa jwang

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kgato ka kgato Mmusong wa Demokerasi wa Jeremane wa 1871.

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Molao-motheo ona oa 1871, o ileng oa phatlalatsoa ka 'Mesa 1871,
o ile oa khethoa ka demokrasi har'a mekha e

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fapaneng: Mokha oa Centre, o bileng pula-maliboho
oa CDU, le oa SPD li ne li se li ntse li le teng.

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Eaba le bona ba lumelloa ho khetha bochabela ba Jeremane.

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Mme molao-motheo ona o ile wa
amohelwa ka bongata bo boholo haholo.

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Moemphera e ne e le moemeli feela ho lefats'e
le kantle. Joaloka mongoli oa litaba tsa kantle.

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O ne a se na ditokelo tse kgolo kapa ntho e jwalo.

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Motho o nahana hore ho tla hlaha 'muso
oa borena, ebe o tla aroloa ho morena.

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Ke mmuso wa borena wa molaotheo.

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Empa moemphera, joalokaha ke boletse,
ke molomo o buellang lefats'e le kantle.

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Mme tse salang di etswa qeto ka mokgwa o tshwanang wa demokerasi.

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Ka har'a Reichstag, eo re ntseng re
e-na le eona le kajeno, ka tsela.

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Reichstag, ha e bitsoe Reichstag Berlin ntle le lebaka.

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Baemeli ba molaong ba Reichstag ba tla
ntan'o boela ba rala diphetoho tsa molao, ba

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beha melawana, jj. mekgweng ya demokerasi.

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Kahoo ha ho hlokahale ho tshwenyeha ka ho
kgutlela mehleng ya lefifi kapa ntho e jwalo.

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Le ka nako eo, e ne e laolwa ka mokgwa wa demokrasi haholo.

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Kla.TV: E, kahoo, haeba ke utloisisa hantle, Mopresidente Donald
Trump o tla tlameha ho netefatsa, haeba a amehile ka

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tokoloho ea Ma-Europe, hore, mohlala, baemeli bana ba German
Reich ba tle tafoleng 'me ho buisanwe ka tumellano ea khotso.

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Mme o ne a ka tlameha ho etsa eng hape?

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MH: E, ehlile, boemo bo bohlokoa
Jeremane ke hore re hapiloe haholo-holo ke USA.

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Ho na le di-base tsa sesole tse fetang mashome
a mararo, di-base tse kgolo tsa sesole mona.

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Palo ea masole e tla tloha e feta ea Lebotho la Borithane.

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Kahoo o ke ke wa re ha re tshwarehile.

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Re nkuoe ka katleho. Le ka bona seo ho tsoa
metsaneng e mengata ea sesole. Ha ho letho le fetohileng.

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Sena se bitsoa Molao oa Sesole, o ntseng o sebetsa le
kajeno. O boetse o kenyelelitsoe ho Gazete ea Molao ea Federale.

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Ke entse dipatlisiso ka botlalo ka
tsena tsohle. Kahoo ke tshwana le mole.

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Ke qetile matsatsi a mangata
dilaeboraring tsa molao mme ka fumana mehlodi ena.

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Ho boetse ho boletsoe ho Federal Law Gazette ea 1994 hore
ntho tsohle li tla lula li le joalo. Re tla lula re hapiloe.

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Kahoo re hapiloe ka nnete le ka molao.

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Mme Trump a ke ke a hula masole a hae mona
ho fihlela re e-na le selekane sa khotso.

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Seo se tlameha ho lokisoa. Ha ho letho
le tla etsahala pele ho fihlela nako eo.

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Ho na le mantswe a mangata a reng, e,
Maamerika, ke nako ya hore le kgutlele hae.

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Seo se ke ke sa sebetsa hobane re
sebakeng se hapilweng ke sesole.

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Mme ha ho letho le tla etsahala ho fihlela
re buisane ka sena selekaneng sa kgotso.

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Mme ka mora moo re ka boela ra
fumana boipuso ba rona bo sebetsang.

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Kla.TV: Kahoo, haeba ke utlwisisa hantle, Donald Trump
le tsamaiso ya hae ba lokela ho qala ka ho netefatsa

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hore baemedi ba molao ba buisana ka tumellano ya kgotso.

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Ebe o ne a tla tlameha ka tsela e itseng ho
hlakola tlhōrō. MH: E felise. Kla.TV: E felise.

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Mme ba mpe ba eme, mme ka tsela e sebetsang, ba nolofaletse
Jeremane hore e boele e sebetse ho ya ka molaotheo wa

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yona wa 1871 le mekgatlo ya naha e neng e thehilwe ka nako eo.

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Na ke utlwisitse hantle? MH: O utlwisitse hantle.

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Maikutlo a motheo a Trump. Ke se ke mo ikopantse hang.

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O ile a araba hang-hang. Ke ile ka makala.

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Kamora matsatsi a mmalwa, o ile a nkaraba. E ne e le ka imeile.

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Ho ne ho hlakile hore o ne a mpa a re, ho
lokile, lona Majeremane, taba ena ke ea lona hape.

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Ha ke batle ho kena-kenana haholo kapa ho laola.

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O na le tse lekaneng tseo a lokelang ho
li etsa Amerika, naheng ea United States.

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Kahoo ho ile ha bontšoa hore ha e le hantle ke taba ea
Majeremane ho khutlela moo le ho boelanya boipuso ba bona.

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Empa ehlile, sena se ka kgonahala feela dipuisanong le Putin
hajoale. Le Trump. Hobane tseo e ntse e le melao e molaong.

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Kla.TV: Ho lokile. Kahoo Trump o ne a tla tlameha
hape ho dumellana le Putin mabapi le potso ya Jeremane.

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Ho lokela ho ba le puisano hape. E lokela ho ba taba ea moqoqo.

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Mme bobedi ba bona, mohlomong mmoho le Great Britain le Fora, ba
ne ba tla tlameha ho etsa qeto mmoho, hore ho lokile, le

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ka kgutlela ho ba seo le neng le le sona, ho ya ka molao wa
motheo wa kgale, o ntseng o le teng, mme le sebetse hape.

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Empa haeba ke utlwisisa hantle, boikitlaetso bo
ne bo tla tlameha ho tswa ho matla a hapileng

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naha, e leng se neng se tla etsa hore ho kgonehe.

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MH: Ka bobedi. Ke tshebetso ya ho kopana.

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Mme, ehlile, motho e mong o tlameha ho nka mohato wa pele.

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E ne e le mohato o monyane haholo
hore nka mo ikopanya le eena ho hang.

291
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Mme o tseba hantle-ntle se etsahalang.

292
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:49,240
Hobane nakong e fetileng ea ketsahalo ea ketsamolao, o ile a re
ha e le hantle o ne a batla ho fa Jeremane selekane sa khotso.

293
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,673
Taba ea hore joale ho itšetlehile ka eena e ka be e entsoe khale.

294
00:26:52,673 --> 00:26:57,079
Empa o e hlalositse ka mantswe, mme ke na le
bonnete ba hore batho ba bangata le bona ba e tseba.

295
00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:01,690
Mme ba bangata mohlomong ha ba a ka ba etsa letho ka hona hobane
ba ne ba nahana hore re na le ntho e kang selekane sa khotso.

296
00:27:01,690 --> 00:27:05,593
Ha a bue seo ntle le lebaka. Ba tseba
hantle-ntle se etsahalang Jeremane.

297
00:27:05,593 --> 00:27:11,680
Mme Putin o boletse molemong ona hore le yena o ka
rata ho fihlela tumellano ya kgotso. Le Jeremane.

298
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,546
Ha a tsebe feela hore a e saene le
mang. Ka nako eo, e ne e le nako ea Merkel.

299
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Mme ha se moemedi ya molaong wa Mmuso wa Jeremane.

300
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Ke ka lebaka leo a e boletseng ka nepo e kholo ka
tsela e poteletseng. O tlameha ho ela seo hloko.

301
00:27:26,926 --> 00:27:35,583
Kla.TV: Empa puso ea US le Federeishene ea
Russia li ka tšehetsa sena joang, e le hore feela

302
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baemeli ba nepahetseng le bona ba tle tafoleng?

303
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MH: Jwalokaha ke boletse, ena ehlile
hape ke taba ya batho ba Jeremane.

304
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Ke na le metswalle moo ba nang le
dikgolagano tse ntle ofising ya boemedi e Russia.

305
00:27:50,686 --> 00:27:56,726
Mme ba re re ka buisana le Putin re
le maemong a lekanang. O bulehile.

306
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Haeba re romela baemeli, leha e le ka
nakoana feela, a ke ke a koala monyako.

307
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Re hlakisitse seo ho batho ba ofising ya boemedi le ho
rona ka bo rona, ha re ka rialo. Menyako e bulehile.

308
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:20,790
Ke mosebetsi oa rona ho netefatsa hore re amoheloa re le ba
lekanang, hore le rona re nke mehato ena, hore re atamelane.

309
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Seo se ntse se atamela butle bakeng sa Jeremane.

310
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Kla.TV: Ntlha e khahlang, Ngaka Haug.

311
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Hantle haholo. Mme o ka bala ka tse ngata
tsa dintho tsena, mohlomong bukeng ya hao.

312
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MH: Tsohle di teng moo, dingolwa tsohle tsa molao,
nalane, ke entse dipatlisiso ka hloko le ka botlalo ka tsohle.

313
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:45,070
Ha ke na phoso kamehla. Ho dula ho na le
dintho tseo motho e mong a di tsebang ho feta nna.

314
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Hantle haholo, ke thabetse ho utlwa
seo. Ke dula ke etsa dikgatiso tse ntjha.

315
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Ena ke khatiso ea bobeli, eo ho eona ke
atolositseng le ho nontša tsohle ka temohisiso e eketsehileng.

316
00:28:58,193 --> 00:29:01,376
Empa ntho e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe e ka
har'a eona e batlisitsoe ka botlalo.

317
00:29:01,376 --> 00:29:10,630
Kla.TV: Ho lokile haholo. Ngaka Haug, rea leboha haholo ka ho
re fa temohisiso e nyane ka liphiri tsa Mmusommo oa Jeremane.

318
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:16,440
Ruri re sa le qalong feela, empa e ne
e le ntho e khahlang ho utloa ka eona.

319
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:24,766
Sena se bolela hore boikarabelo joale
bo matsohong a Majeremane ka bo ona.

320
00:29:24,766 --> 00:29:31,250
Mme mebuso e hatetseng e ikemiseditse
ho mamela le ho tshehetsa dintho tsena.

321
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:33,430
MH: Leha ho le joalo. Ho latela
boiphihlelo ba ka, leha ho le joalo.

322
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Ho seng jwalo, karabo e ne e ke ke ya tla kapele
hakana ho Trump, mohlala, le ho baemedi ba tswang Russia.

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Kla.TV: Hantle. MH: Kea leboha haholo.
Kla.TV: E, ke kamohelo. MH: Nka rata ho bolela hona

324
00:29:44,066 --> 00:29:45,950
joale hore ke khonne ho fetisa ntho e itseng.

325
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Re ntse re le holim'a taba. Ho ka etsahala
hore ho be le lipuisano tse latelang moo re

326
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tla kenella botebong haholoanyane mona le mane.

327
00:29:54,770 --> 00:29:58,048
Ho itshetlehile. Seo se ka thusa. Ke a leboha haholo.

328
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Kla.TV: Hantle haholo. Kea leboha ka
boikemisetso ba lona. MH: Kea leboha.

