WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.480 Kla.TV: Ngaka Haug, re leboha haholo ka ho ipha nako ea ho bua le rona kajeno. 00:06.480 --> 00:15.673 U mongoli oa buka Das Deutsche Reich 1871 bis heute (Mmuso oa Jeremane ho tloha ka 1871 ho fihlela kajeno). Ho fihlela kajeno? 00:15.673 --> 00:25.125 Ngaka Haug, ho na le khang e kholo mabapi le qoso ea hore Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane ha se naha, hore e na le 00:25.125 --> 00:32.895 Molao oa Motheo feela empa ha e na molaotheo, hore ha e na selekane sa khotso, hore ha e na meeli 00:32.895 --> 00:38.406 ea naha e hlalositsoeng le hore ha e na boipuso. 00:38.406 --> 00:42.720 Le Majeremane ha a na naha. 00:42.720 --> 00:50.994 Joaloka lentsoe le hanyetsang pale e atileng, ka kopo hlalosetsa bashebelli ka bokhutšoanyane le ka ho hlaka pono ea hau mabapi le 00:50.994 --> 00:58.822 hore na ho tsoela pele ho ba teng ha German Reich ho bolela'ng ka maikutlo a hau, le hore na litaba tsena tse tsosang khang 00:58.822 --> 01:07.936 le tse ngangisanoang ka tsona li amana joang le ho tsoela pele ho ba teng ha German Reich, ho ea ka kutloisiso ea hau. 01:07.936 --> 01:10.800 Matthes Haug: Pele ho tsohle, ke leboha haholo ka memo, Monghadi Matten. 01:10.800 --> 01:20.728 E, ke ngotse buka ea 1871 ho fihlela ha Jwale, hobane Mmuso wa Jeremane o thehilwe ka 1871 Holong ya Dibaesekopo 01:20.728 --> 01:25.540 e Versailles tlasa Bismarck le Mmusimoholo Wilhelm I. 01:25.540 --> 01:30.870 E ne e ananelletsoe, e amohetsoe ke linaha tse 46 tseo baemeli ba tsona ba neng ba le 01:30.870 --> 01:33.833 teng moo mme ba e ananela, Mmuso oa Jeremane. 01:33.833 --> 01:39.273 Mme Mmuso ona wa Majeremane ha o eso ka o qhalwa. 01:39.273 --> 01:51.000 E ne e ke ke ya qhalwa ho hang, hobane sena se ne se tla hloka melao e boetse e tiisitsweng molaotheong wa 1871, 01:51.000 --> 01:56.993 e laolang hore na, mohlala, molaotheo o ka qhalwa jwang. 01:56.993 --> 02:00.340 Molaotheo ona ha o eso ka o qhaloa. 02:00.340 --> 02:07.500 Eaba ho ba le Ntoa ea Pele ea Lefatše, 'me kamorao ho eona, ha e le hantle, e bile feela khotso ea nakoana. 02:07.500 --> 02:13.186 Ha ho mohla ho bileng le tumellano ea 'nete ea khotso. Tumellano ea Versailles e ne e se tumellano ea khotso. 02:13.186 --> 02:19.891 Kahoo e ne e le khotso ea nakoana feela. Ka hona, 'Muso oa Jeremane o ntse o le teng ho fihlela kajeno. 02:19.891 --> 02:26.254 E se ke ea ferekanyoa le Mmuso oa Boraro oa Reich. Hangata li ferekanngoa. Mmuso oa Boraro oa Reich 02:26.254 --> 02:29.685 le 'Muso oa Mojeremane oa 1871 ha li amane ka letho. 02:29.685 --> 02:36.235 Ho e-na le hoo, e ka saloa morao ho fihla feela 'musong ona oa 'mampoli, o tsoetseng pele ho ba 02:36.235 --> 02:40.959 teng ntle le ho hlabisoa lihlong ho fihlela kajeno. 02:40.959 --> 02:45.842 Kla.TV: Ka maikutlo a hau, ke menyetla efe le litlamorao life tse hlahang taba ea hore Mmuso oa Jeremane (German 02:45.842 --> 02:48.480 Reich) o ntse o tsoela pele ho ba teng ho fihlela kajeno? 02:48.480 --> 02:53.740 Na ho na le menyetla e kgethehileng bakeng sa baahi ho bopeng bokamoso? 02:53.740 --> 03:01.952 MH: Ho na le menyetla e metle haholo. Mme ho latela molao feela, ena ha se maikutlo a ka, empa ke taba ea nnete ea molao. 03:01.952 --> 03:08.799 Kahoo, ho ya ka molao feela, molaotheo wa 1871 le ona o sebetsa. 03:08.799 --> 03:18.906 Hobane Mmuso ona oa Jeremane o ntse o le ntoeng, ka molao-motheo, le kajeno. Ke hore, o emeng feela ntoeng. 03:18.906 --> 03:22.940 Mme ke Mmuso ona feela wa Jeremane o ka boelang wa saena selekane sa kgotso. 03:22.940 --> 03:25.833 Rephaboliki ea Federale e ne e ntse e le siyo ka nako eo. 03:25.833 --> 03:34.680 Ha e le hantle, e thehiloe feela ka la 3 Pherekhong 1950, kamorao hore lengolo la ho qetela la tumello le romeloe ho Manyesemane. 03:34.680 --> 03:36.820 Kahoo motho a ka nahana hore e thehilwe ka 1949. 03:36.820 --> 03:41.373 Ke entse dipatlisiso ka botebo ka sena sohle mme ka se hlahisa ka nepo e kgolo. 03:41.373 --> 03:46.880 Ke thahasella lintlha feela, ha ho letho le leng. Ka lebaka leo, ke tshwana hantle le rasaense. 03:46.880 --> 03:53.539 Ka hona, Rephaboliki ea Federale ha ea ka ea thehoa ho fihlela ka la 3 Pherekhong 1950. 03:53.539 --> 04:00.226 Ka hona, ho ke ke ha kgoneha ho saena tumellano ya kgotso, kaha Rephaboliki ya Federale ya Jeremane ha e eso be sera ntweng. 04:00.226 --> 04:06.060 Mme selekane sa kgotso se tlameha ho latela ka mora ntwa. 04:06.060 --> 04:12.273 Mme sena se hloka baemedi ba molaong ba Mmuso wa Jeremane. 04:12.273 --> 04:20.626 Kla.TV: Mme baemeli bana ba molaong ba ne ba se ba le teng le ho hang dipuisanong tsena tsa kgotso. 04:20.626 --> 04:27.080 Ho na le sela seo ho thoeng ke sela sa 2 le 4. Na tsohle li bile lefeela, joalokaha ba re? 04:27.080 --> 04:31.060 MH: Ka Sejeremane, "Für den Katz" ha e bolele "bakeng sa katse". 04:31.060 --> 04:34.306 Hantle, eo ke taba e fapaneng. 04:34.306 --> 04:39.486 Baemeli ba tumellano ya kgotso ba ne ba le siyo kamehla. 04:39.486 --> 04:43.473 Eo e ka be e bile Mmusimogolo William I kapa II. 04:43.473 --> 04:48.100 Ea pele o ile a lateloa ke William II. 04:48.100 --> 04:51.980 Kahoo seo e ka be e bile moemedi ya loketseng. 04:51.980 --> 04:56.766 Leha ho le jwalo, o ile a ya botshabelong, kahoo o ne a se a le siyo mme a sa fumanehe. 04:56.766 --> 05:04.631 Mme Rephaboliki ya Weimar e ile ya phatlalatswa feela ho nyelletse molaotheo o neng o le molaong wa 1871. Sena ha 05:04.631 --> 05:08.693 se kgonehe tlasa molao wa matjhaba le molao wa molaotheo. 05:08.693 --> 05:14.980 Sena se bolela hore ho ne ho se na moemeli ya molaong wa Mmuso wa Jeremane wa 1871. 05:14.980 --> 05:21.984 Bana e ne e le boradipolotiki ba iketsetsang le batho ba neng ba se na matla leha e le afe a ho saena 05:21.984 --> 05:25.893 selekane sa khotso bakeng sa 'Muso oa Jeremane ka 1871. 05:25.893 --> 05:32.053 Eaba ba buisana, mme jwale re tla tlolela hanyane ho Tumellano ya Bobedi bo Eketsehileng bo Bane. 05:32.053 --> 05:35.480 Ha ho buuoa ka ho toba, e bitsoa Tumellano ea Bone le Peli. Ke kamoo Balekane ba e bitsang kateng. 05:35.480 --> 05:44.919 Kahoo, Balekane ba bane, Soviet Union, Engelane, Fora le USA, le FRG, Rephaboliki e Kopaneng ea Jeremane le GDR. 05:44.919 --> 05:52.012 Tsena li ne li reretsoe ho theha Jeremane e kopaneng ho latela tumellano ena. Seo se ka be se tiisitsoe. 05:52.012 --> 05:55.239 Ka kutlwisiso ena, Jeremane e kopaneng ha e a ka ya fihlellwa. 05:55.239 --> 06:00.340 Ho re Jeremane e kopane ho bolela Jeremane kaofela kamoo e neng e le kateng ka 1871. 06:00.340 --> 06:02.100 Ke kopano e phethahetseng. 06:02.100 --> 06:06.900 Jeremane e ile ea aroloa ka likarolo tse tharo kamorao ho Ntoa ea Bobeli ea Lefatše. 06:06.900 --> 06:11.192 Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane, eo ka nako eo e neng e le Rephaboliki ea Demokerasi ea Jeremane, kapa 06:11.192 --> 06:15.040 Jeremane e Bohareng ho qolla hantle. Le libaka tse neng li laoloa ke Jeremane Bochabela ka Poland. 06:15.040 --> 06:17.900 Mme ha ho letho le fetohileng ntlheng eo ho fihlela kajeno. 06:17.900 --> 06:24.586 Ka hona, Jeremane e kopaneng e ne e ke ke ea thehoa ke FRG ka karolo e le 'ngoe feela ho tse 06:24.586 --> 06:28.846 tharo tsena, kapa esita le ka likarolo tse 'maloa. 06:28.846 --> 06:34.853 Ka hona ba dula ba re Tumellano ena ya Four Plus Two, le ya Two Plus Four, e ka ba selekane sa kgotso se batlang se le teng. 06:34.853 --> 06:40.416 Ha ho na ntho e bitsoang selekane sa khotso se sa phethahalang. Se bitsoa ka ho hlaka hore ke selekane sa khotso. 06:40.416 --> 06:46.380 Mme qetellong, tumellano ena ha e a ka ya tiiswa ke mekgatlo yohle e neng e e saena. 06:46.380 --> 06:49.620 Feela ka Russia. E leng ntho e khahlang haholo. 06:49.620 --> 06:52.893 Ke Russia feela e tiisitseng selekane sena. 06:52.893 --> 06:58.021 Mme Genscher, eo ka nako eo e neng e le Mongodi wa Ditaba tsa Kantle wa Rephaboliki e Kopaneng 06:58.021 --> 07:00.773 ya Jeremane, ha a ka a e tiisa ho ya ka melawana. 07:00.773 --> 07:06.313 O tlameha ho saena mona ka botlalo, e leng seo a se entseng konterakeng e kholo. 07:06.313 --> 07:09.865 Ha ho ne ho tluwa tabeng ya tiisetso, o ile a ngola feela ditlhaku tsa pele tsa mabitso a 07:09.865 --> 07:11.873 hae. Ha ho lebitso la pele, kapa letho le leng. 07:11.873 --> 07:15.680 Mme ha ho buuoa ka nepo, seo se kgahlanong le melawana. 07:15.680 --> 07:23.200 Ka hona, selekane sena ha se a ka sa tiisoa ka molao. Ke sona se bohlokoa. 07:23.200 --> 07:33.460 Kla.TV: Ngaka Haug, haeba ke u utlwisitse hantle, jwale molaotheo wa 1871 o ntse o sebetsa le kajeno. 07:33.460 --> 07:37.632 Empa he, Molao oa Motheo ke eng? O bohlokoa hakae? 07:37.632 --> 07:47.880 MH: Molao oa Motheo o thehiloe holim'a Tumellano ea Hague. Oo ke molao oa machaba. O laola boemo ba ntoa le maemo a kamora ntoa. 07:47.880 --> 07:53.353 Kla.TV: HLKO e bolela'ng? MH: Tumellano ea Hague ea Ntoa ea Naha. 07:53.353 --> 07:59.786 Na moahi o tlameha ho fa baahi molao-motheo? 07:59.786 --> 08:05.420 Ho boloka tatellano, taeo le kgotso. Ke kamoo ho hlaloswang kateng. 08:05.420 --> 08:10.048 Ke ka lebaka leo e bitsoang Molao oa Motheo oa Rephaboliki e Kopaneng ea Jeremane, eseng Molao 08:10.048 --> 08:12.793 oa Motheo oa Rephaboliki e Kopaneng ea Jeremane. 08:12.793 --> 08:17.966 Kahoo ke tokelo ea moahi. Pale e khutšoanyane. 08:17.966 --> 08:23.820 Ntate o ne a tseba Carlo Schmidt, e mong oa bathehi ba molaotheo oa Jeremane. 08:23.820 --> 08:27.813 E ne e le setho se seholo sa mokgatlo wa banna wa ntate. 08:27.813 --> 08:31.579 Mme, a ntse a thabile hanyane ka lebaka la mekete, o ile a pepesa diphiri tse ding. 08:31.579 --> 08:38.020 Mme a re, o a tseba, re ne re dumelletswe ho kenya diqetello feela. Taba yohle e neng e setse e ne e se e rerilwe esale pele. 08:38.020 --> 08:44.400 Ka tlhaho, Balekane ba batla ho bopa molaotheo ona ho latela lithahasello tsa bona. Seo se hlakile, ehlile. 08:44.400 --> 08:51.320 Kahoo, eo ke polelo e tobileng ya Carlo Schmidt mabapi le ntate jwalo ka paki. 08:51.320 --> 08:59.409 Mme ho ntse ho boletswe Molaong wa Motheo, Karolong ya 120, kajeno hore mmuso wa kopanelo o lefa 08:59.409 --> 09:05.273 ditshenyehelo tsa ho dula. E leng, mofutsong wa hajwale wa 2025. 09:05.273 --> 09:11.420 Sena se bolela hore haeba le lefa ditshenyehelo tsa ho dula, le rona re phathahane. 09:11.420 --> 09:13.984 Ha re na molaotheo. 09:13.984 --> 09:22.342 Hobane, ho ya ka ditekanyetso tsa molao wa matjhaba, naha e loketseng e na le baahi, 09:22.342 --> 09:27.136 meedi ya naha, ditheo tsa naha le molaotheo. 09:27.136 --> 09:31.907 Ha ho buuoa ka ho tiea, Rephaboliki ea Federale ha e so phethahatse leha e le e 'ngoe ea lintlha 09:31.907 --> 09:36.520 tsena tse tharo. Ha se sechaba, hobane baahi bohle ba sona ke baahi ba Reich ea Jeremane. 09:36.520 --> 09:39.780 Ba ka paka sena ka moloko oa bona oa baholo-holo. 09:39.780 --> 09:45.977 Kahoo Rephaboliki ea Federale ka boeona ha e na molao o nepahetseng oa boahi. 09:45.977 --> 09:55.813 Mme meedi ya dinaha le yona ha e yo. Hobane meedi ya nnete ya dinaha e thehilwe ke Mmuso wa Jeremane ka 1871. 09:55.813 --> 10:04.240 Ka hona, Rephaboliki ea Federale e ile ea thehoa e le sebopeho sa tsamaiso, sebaka sa moruo. Ke matla a neng a hapile naha. 10:04.240 --> 10:09.540 Mme matla a hatetseng ha a na tokelo ya ho e qobella naha e ntjha. 10:09.540 --> 10:15.328 Ka hona, ho ya ka pono ya molao wa matjhaba, Mmuso wa Jeremane wa 1871 o dula o sa fetoha. 10:15.328 --> 10:24.164 Kla.TV: Kahoo, haeba ke utloisitse hantle, Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane ke feela sebopeho sa tsamaiso se thehiloeng 10:24.164 --> 10:29.260 ke, a re re, matla a hlotsoeng e le ho boloka khotso sechabeng. 10:29.260 --> 10:31.499 Seo se ntlisa potsolotsong ea ka e latelang. 10:31.499 --> 10:36.317 Hobane bahlahlobi ba lintlha bao ho thoeng ke bona hangata ba pheha kgang ya hore mmuso 10:36.317 --> 10:39.080 le balaodi ba ona e tlameha ho ba dikhamphani. 10:39.080 --> 10:43.650 Ho atisa ho thwe Rephaboliki ya Federale ya Jeremane ke khamphani e lekanyeditsweng kapa ntho e 10:43.650 --> 10:46.048 jwalo, e leng mokgatlo. E le hore e kgone ho nka kgato. 10:46.048 --> 10:55.270 E le hore ho se be le tahlehelo ea tokoloho kapa boipuso ba naha e amanang le eona. E le hore ho se be le litahlehelo. 10:55.270 --> 11:06.704 Empa u bona taba ena jwang? Na hona jwale, na ntho ena eo re leng yona, ha re ka re ke khamphani feela, e bile e na le karata 11:06.704 --> 11:12.125 ya boitsebiso, na hoo ke sesupo sa moralo ona wa tsamaiso? 11:12.125 --> 11:17.348 Le hore ha e le hantle ha re naha ea sebele, ke hore, hore Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane ha se 11:17.348 --> 11:20.100 naha ea sebele, empa ke karolo feela ea tsamaiso? 11:20.100 --> 11:21.920 Na hoo ke sesupo sa sena? 11:21.920 --> 11:26.000 MH: Ruri hoo ke sesupo sa seo. 11:26.000 --> 11:32.886 Mehleng eo, ka 1990, nakong ea seo ho thoeng ke kopano hape, e sa kang ea etsahala, Letona la Litaba tsa Kantle ho Naha la Amerika 11:32.886 --> 11:39.454 le Letona la Litaba tsa Kantle ho Naha la Jeremane, ke hore, la Soviet Union, ba ile ba sebelisa tokelo ea bona ea ho behela 11:39.454 --> 11:44.963 thibelo e le Mafats'e a Kopaneng 'me ba hlakola Molao oa Motheo ntle le ho o nkela sebaka, ba hlakola le 11:44.963 --> 11:48.460 sebaka sa tšebeliso, Karolo ea 23, moo o neng o hlalositsoe. 11:48.460 --> 11:52.620 Molao o mong le o mong o hloka moedi o hlalositsweng wa tshebediso ya ona. 11:52.620 --> 11:59.400 GDR e ne e na le molaotheo. Mme ona o ne o sehiloeng k'honeng e le 'ngoe, joalokaha eka ho hlakoloa pasepoto. 11:59.400 --> 12:06.989 Sena se bolela hore ho tloha nako ena, ka la 18 Phupu 1990, ha sena se etsahala, kapa ho nepahala haholoanyane ka la 17 Phupu 12:06.989 --> 12:12.088 1990, har'a mpa ea bosiu ka la 18 Phupu 1990, Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane le 12:12.088 --> 12:15.080 GDR li ile tsa phatlalatsoa li se na matla. 12:15.080 --> 12:17.606 Ha ho sa na motho ea nang le matla a phahameng ka holim'a bohle. 12:17.606 --> 12:24.173 Ho tloha ho motšoari oa matlotlo oa mokha ka mong ho ea pele, ho ne ho se na motho ea nang le 12:24.173 --> 12:27.800 matla, matla a phahameng a ho buella FRG kapa GDR. 12:27.800 --> 12:33.700 Mme sena se ile sa patelwa setjhaba sa Jeremane. 12:33.700 --> 12:38.113 Mme ka seo, e ne e batla e le ka sebakeng se se nang moya. 12:38.113 --> 12:44.754 Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane e ne e se e sa laoloe ka mabapi le basebetsi, kaha Matla a Selekane, haholo-holo United 12:44.754 --> 12:49.559 States, e leng matla a Selekane a Bophirimela a hlotsoeng, a ne a hlakotse matla a eona a 12:49.559 --> 12:52.600 boipuso. Kahoo e ne e se e sa laoloe ka moelelo oo. 12:52.600 --> 12:59.652 Mme Genscher le Kohl ba ile ba ngodisa Rephaboliki ya Federale ya Jeremane e le khamphani Delaware. 12:59.652 --> 13:06.612 Mme Genscher a hlakola BRD ho Molao-motheo wa Machaba a Kopaneng mme a e ngola Jeremane. 13:06.612 --> 13:11.980 Hape e le k'hamphani. E ngolisitsoe e le k'hamphani Delaware. 13:11.980 --> 13:19.453 U ka e batla tsamaisong ea machaba ea tlhahisoleseling ea lik'hamphani. E bitsoa UPIC. Kahoo u ka e batla. 13:19.453 --> 13:26.938 Mme ho ngotswe teng, Mopresidente Steinmeier wa Rephaboliki ya Federale, nomoro ya khamphani, aterese ya khamphani, kahoo 13:26.938 --> 13:32.134 kaofela ke dikhamphani tse fapaneng, hobane o ile a tlameha ho ngodisa Kohl jwalo ka 13:32.134 --> 13:35.840 khamphani, hobane motheo wa molaotheo o ne o hlakotswe. 13:35.840 --> 13:41.713 Kla.TV: Ngaka Haug, ha re kgutlela kareteng ena ya boitsebiso. 13:41.713 --> 13:52.228 Joale haeba karete ena ea boitsebiso e tšoana feela le karete ea boitsebiso ea k'hamphani e tsoang Jeremane, 13:52.228 --> 13:57.952 K'hamphani ea Jeremane, lebaka ke lefe bakeng sa seo? 13:57.952 --> 14:05.950 MH: Ho na le melao ea machaba e reng, ka molao-motheo, re litšoaruoa. Ho fihlela joale, re 'nile ra e-ba 14:05.950 --> 14:15.125 litšoaruoa, mohlomong re na le tokoloho e nyane ho feta eo re nang le eona hona joale chankaneng, empa re boemong boo. 14:15.125 --> 14:23.866 Mme ho na le melawana e behang hore batho bana ba lokela ho fuwa tokomane ya maeto. Karete ya boitsebiso kapa tokomane ya maeto. 14:23.866 --> 14:26.611 Karete ea boitsebiso e bontša hore re basebetsi. Ke ne ke tloaetse ho sebetsa kae-kae 14:26.611 --> 14:28.185 nakong ea matsatsi a phomolo, mohlala, Daimler. 14:28.185 --> 14:34.227 Ke ne ke tloaetse ho sebetsa kae-kae nakong ea matsatsi a phomolo, ebang ke Daimler kapa sebakeng se 14:34.227 --> 14:40.232 seng, 'me o ne o fuoa karete ea boitsebiso ke Daimler hobane o ne o hiriloe moo bakeng sa nako eo. 14:40.232 --> 14:47.932 Mme sena se tshwana hantle le kgwebo e tsejwang ka lebitso la Federal Republic of 14:47.932 --> 14:52.899 Germany, e fanang ka karete ya boitsebiso ho batho. 14:52.899 --> 14:56.320 Mme seo se bontsha ka ho hlaka hore re basebetsi feela. 14:56.320 --> 14:57.780 Kla.TV: Ka hona le bona ha ba na naha. 14:57.780 --> 14:59.296 MH: Le ho hloka boemo ba botho. 14:59.296 --> 15:07.832 Kla.TV: Joale, haeba hona joale re na le k'hamphani e le 'ngoe feela ho la Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane 'me ha ho na 15:07.832 --> 15:16.785 molaotheo oa 'nete, empa ho na le taelo ea tsamaiso feela ea ho boloka khotso le tlhophiseho ea sechaba, e re ke e behe tjena, ke 15:16.785 --> 15:24.697 menyetla efe eo ho khutlela ho Mmuso oa 'nete oa Jeremane, ho molaotheo oa 'nete, o ntseng o sebetsa le kajeno, ho 15:24.697 --> 15:32.680 fanang ka eona bakeng sa sechaba sa Jeremane kapa bakeng sa baahi ba Jeremane? Na see se bohlokoa le ho hang? 15:32.680 --> 15:39.000 Na ke pampiri feela ea khale e lerole, kapa e na le ho hong ha bohlokoa ho re bolella kajeno? 15:39.000 --> 15:40.520 MH: Hoo ke habohlokwa haholo. 15:40.520 --> 15:50.140 Ehlile, ho bohlokoa haholo ho fihlella boemo ba khotso, hammoho le boemo ba ntoa, ka tumellano ea khotso. Ke tlhokahalo ea pele. 15:50.140 --> 15:57.561 Joale, ho ya ka pono ya molao wa matjhaba, re ne re tla boela re ba naha, naha e tsebahalang. Mme hape re ne re tla 15:57.561 --> 16:04.720 boela re ba le ditokelo tsa naha, tseo ha re nang le tsona hajwale tlasa Rephaboliki ya Federale ya Jeremane. 16:04.720 --> 16:07.840 Kannete ha re na naha, rona Majeremane kaofela. 16:07.840 --> 16:10.560 E ka utlwahala e sa kgolwehe, empa ke nnete. 16:10.560 --> 16:16.980 Jwale re tla boela re be le ditokelo tsa molaotheo le boipuso tlasa molao wa matjhaba. 16:16.980 --> 16:26.425 Mme molaotheo ona o ka nna wa bonahala o le wa kgale, wa 1871, mme mohlomong o siilwe ke nako hanyane, empa ha ho jwalo. 16:26.425 --> 16:28.960 Ho bile le diphihlello tse kgolo. 16:28.960 --> 16:35.226 Mme moo, ka mohlala, ba ile ba boela ba bua ka boemo ba lekgetho Mmusong wa Jeremane. 16:35.226 --> 16:39.365 Ho ne ho na le lekgetho la thekiso la 4% feela. 16:39.365 --> 16:44.181 Ho ne ho se na lekhetho la moputso ho hang, ho ne ho le teng feela sekhahla se senyenyane sa lekhetho 16:44.181 --> 16:47.300 la moputso se leholimo ho feta tekanyetso e itseng. 16:47.300 --> 16:53.900 Seo se bolela hore, e re ke fane ka mohlala, haeba ho na le VAT ea 4% feela, ha re nke litheko tsa mafura. 16:53.900 --> 17:00.872 Ha re bua ka kajeno, ke na le diesel, hoo e ka bang 1.70, joale o ka ikakanyetsa: haeba o na le VAT ea 4% feela, 17:00.872 --> 17:05.160 joale litheko tsa mafura li fapane ka ho feletseng hape. 17:05.160 --> 17:11.817 Kajeno, ho na le karolo ea lekhetho e ka bang lisente tse 80, haholo-holo petroleng, 'me ke na le chelete 17:11.817 --> 17:17.580 e ka tlase haholo ka makhetlo a mahlano, kahoo theko ea peterole e ka ba lisente tse 70. 17:17.580 --> 17:24.308 Kahoo ke nahana hore ona ke mohlala o le mong feela o bontshang hore ehlile e fana ka 17:24.308 --> 17:28.133 melemo e meholo bakeng sa setjhaba sa Jeremane. 17:28.133 --> 17:33.360 Mme ehlile, ho boetse ho mabapi le ditaba tsa ditjhelete, hoo ho hlakile. 17:33.360 --> 17:39.292 Ka hona, ka nako eo, mohlankana o ne a fumana karolelano ea li-euro tse 3,000 ka 17:39.292 --> 17:43.060 khoeli, mohlala, ha li ne li fetoloa ho li-euro. 17:43.060 --> 17:48.442 Ke nahana hore mofani ea tloaelehileng ha a na letho le le khahlanong le eona; ba bang 17:48.442 --> 17:51.000 ba na le ho feta, empa ke ba sa tloaelehang. 17:51.000 --> 17:58.576 Haeba o ka fumana penshene e ntle mona ntle le ho lefa lekgetho le leholo, le hona ke bothata bo boholo ho rona, 17:58.576 --> 18:02.100 ha o sheba feela bahlokomedi ba mabotlolo ba bangata, jj. 18:02.100 --> 18:04.920 Kahoo seo se na le melemo e mengata. 18:04.920 --> 18:09.793 Re ka bua ka hona nako e 'ngoe ea halofo ea hora, ka melemo—ha e le hantle, ke melemo feela. 18:09.793 --> 18:14.900 Empa ke mpa feela ke rata ho bolela ntlha ena e le 'ngoe ea bohlokoa. 18:14.900 --> 18:19.919 Kla.TV: Joale re tlo ho potso e 'ngoe. Kahoo haeba Federal Republic of Germany ha e le hantle e le 18:19.919 --> 18:24.835 feela k'hamphani, na e ngolisitsoe e le k'hamphani, k'hamphani e lekanyelitsoeng kapa eng? 18:24.835 --> 18:29.120 MH: Ha e ngolisitsweng e le k'hamphani e lekanyeditsweng, empa e le k'hamphani feela. Kla.TV: E ngolisitswe e le k'hamphani. 18:29.120 --> 18:44.546 Mme rona re na le feela mekgwa ya rona ya lapeng, e leng moralo o hlophisang feela phedisano ya rona, empa ha re na molaotheo. 18:44.546 --> 18:49.240 Joale ho thoe'ng ka sekoloto se seholo se tshabehang sa naha seo re tobaneng le sona? 18:49.240 --> 18:51.680 Na ruri li amana le rona he? 18:51.680 --> 19:01.133 Na eo hase taba ea k'hamphani, eseng ea baahi, e leng baahi ba sebele ba Jeremane? 19:01.133 --> 19:04.146 Hoo e bua ka eng? Na ho na le kamano le taba? 19:04.146 --> 19:09.653 MH: Ke potso e ntle haholo. Ha re kgutleleng lekaleng la ditjhelete. 19:09.653 --> 19:16.220 Sekoloto sa naha kapa likoloto tsa k'hamphani ena ea khoebo ha se taba ea 'Muso oa Jeremane. 19:16.220 --> 19:20.420 Ha di yo feela. Ka molao-motheo, ha di sa le teng. 19:20.420 --> 19:27.345 Bafani ba lekgetho ba Jeremane ba tlameha ho lefa pakeng tsa €10,000 le €15,000 ka selemo bakeng sa tswala 19:27.345 --> 19:31.560 feela, ka lebaka la sekgahla sena se tshabehang sa tswala. 19:31.560 --> 19:34.600 Ke nahana hore seo se ka ba molemo haholo bakeng sa lelapa le leng le le leng. 19:34.600 --> 19:40.661 Mme dikoloto tsena, ehlile, ha se taba ya Mmuso wa Jeremane, hobane Mmuso wa Jeremane o ne o ruile mme o ka 19:40.661 --> 19:45.280 boela wa ruela hape haeba dintho di ka laolwa hantle. 19:45.280 --> 19:52.436 Kla.TV: Hantle. Ke kamoo dintho di leng kateng hona jwale. Mopresidente wa US Donald Trump le mmuso wa 19:52.436 --> 19:58.705 hae ba na le kutlwelobohloko e kgolo bakeng sa tokoloho le boikemelo ba baahi ba Yuropa. 19:58.705 --> 20:01.993 Haufinyane tjena kopanong ya tshireletso ya Munich. 20:01.993 --> 20:06.380 Vance o ne a boetse a buile ka matla a maholo a tšehetsa tokoloho ea boralitaba le lintho tsena kaofela, 20:06.380 --> 20:09.460 le ho theha puso ea sechaba ka demokrasi, joalo-joalo. 20:09.460 --> 20:18.041 Ka maikutlo a hao, ke mehato efe eo mmuso oa Trump o ka hlokang ho e nka ho nolofalletsa Jeremane le sechaba sa Jeremane ho 20:18.041 --> 20:23.762 fihlella khotso le selekane sa khotso se tšoanang, e le hore ba ka boela ba fumana 20:23.762 --> 20:27.446 tokoloho le boipuso ba bona le ho ba naha hape? 20:27.446 --> 20:35.580 Kahoo boleng bona kaofela, boo ho hlakileng hore le bo lahlile ha nako e ntse e ea, joalokaha le sa tsoa hlalosa. 20:35.580 --> 20:38.140 Trump o ne a tla tlameha ho etsa eng? 20:38.140 --> 20:44.319 MH: Ka ho toba, sena se ka bolela baemeli ba molaong ba 'Muso oa Jeremane oa 1871, ba neng ba 20:44.319 --> 20:47.600 tla khethoa ke sechaba likhethong tsa demokrasi. 20:47.600 --> 20:50.797 Ka bonna, ha ke motšehetsi e moholo oa mokha. 20:50.797 --> 20:57.540 Le wena o ka tshwara dikgetho tsa hao, hore o tle o kgethe motho eo o batlang a be teng. 20:57.540 --> 21:02.860 Mme, ehlile, Mafatshe a Kopaneng a tlameha ho dula fatshe tafoleng ka tsela efe kapa efe. 21:02.860 --> 21:08.033 Kahoo ke balekane bohle ba bane. Fora ha e na karolo e kholo. 21:08.033 --> 21:11.673 Russia le Amerika ka tlhaho di bapala karolo ya bohlokwahadi. 21:11.673 --> 21:19.083 Mme mona, ehlile, dipuisano tse tiileng le tsona di tlameha ho etsahala mabapi le hore na ho ka kgutlelwa jwang 21:19.083 --> 21:22.980 kgato ka kgato Mmusong wa Demokerasi wa Jeremane wa 1871. 21:22.980 --> 21:30.038 Molao-motheo ona oa 1871, o ileng oa phatlalatsoa ka 'Mesa 1871, o ile oa khethoa ka demokrasi har'a mekha e 21:30.038 --> 21:36.919 fapaneng: Mokha oa Centre, o bileng pula-maliboho oa CDU, le oa SPD li ne li se li ntse li le teng. 21:36.919 --> 21:39.005 Eaba le bona ba lumelloa ho khetha bochabela ba Jeremane. 21:39.005 --> 21:43.700 Mme molao-motheo ona o ile wa amohelwa ka bongata bo boholo haholo. 21:43.700 --> 21:48.600 Moemphera e ne e le moemeli feela ho lefats'e le kantle. Joaloka mongoli oa litaba tsa kantle. 21:48.600 --> 21:51.080 O ne a se na ditokelo tse kgolo kapa ntho e jwalo. 21:51.080 --> 21:55.240 Motho o nahana hore ho tla hlaha 'muso oa borena, ebe o tla aroloa ho morena. 21:55.240 --> 21:58.360 Ke mmuso wa borena wa molaotheo. 21:58.360 --> 22:03.166 Empa moemphera, joalokaha ke boletse, ke molomo o buellang lefats'e le kantle. 22:03.166 --> 22:06.726 Mme tse salang di etswa qeto ka mokgwa o tshwanang wa demokerasi. 22:06.726 --> 22:09.680 Ka har'a Reichstag, eo re ntseng re e-na le eona le kajeno, ka tsela. 22:09.680 --> 22:13.346 Reichstag, ha e bitsoe Reichstag Berlin ntle le lebaka. 22:13.346 --> 22:20.325 Baemeli ba molaong ba Reichstag ba tla ntan'o boela ba rala diphetoho tsa molao, ba 22:20.325 --> 22:23.940 beha melawana, jj. mekgweng ya demokerasi. 22:23.940 --> 22:28.860 Kahoo ha ho hlokahale ho tshwenyeha ka ho kgutlela mehleng ya lefifi kapa ntho e jwalo. 22:28.860 --> 22:32.100 Le ka nako eo, e ne e laolwa ka mokgwa wa demokrasi haholo. 22:32.100 --> 22:41.168 Kla.TV: E, kahoo, haeba ke utloisisa hantle, Mopresidente Donald Trump o tla tlameha ho netefatsa, haeba a amehile ka 22:41.168 --> 22:51.286 tokoloho ea Ma-Europe, hore, mohlala, baemeli bana ba German Reich ba tle tafoleng 'me ho buisanwe ka tumellano ea khotso. 22:51.286 --> 22:53.240 Mme o ne a ka tlameha ho etsa eng hape? 22:53.240 --> 23:02.800 MH: E, ehlile, boemo bo bohlokoa Jeremane ke hore re hapiloe haholo-holo ke USA. 23:02.800 --> 23:08.646 Ho na le di-base tsa sesole tse fetang mashome a mararo, di-base tse kgolo tsa sesole mona. 23:08.646 --> 23:12.600 Palo ea masole e tla tloha e feta ea Lebotho la Borithane. 23:12.600 --> 23:16.286 Kahoo o ke ke wa re ha re tshwarehile. 23:16.286 --> 23:21.879 Re nkuoe ka katleho. Le ka bona seo ho tsoa metsaneng e mengata ea sesole. Ha ho letho le fetohileng. 23:21.879 --> 23:26.300 Sena se bitsoa Molao oa Sesole, o ntseng o sebetsa le kajeno. O boetse o kenyelelitsoe ho Gazete ea Molao ea Federale. 23:26.300 --> 23:32.340 Ke entse dipatlisiso ka botlalo ka tsena tsohle. Kahoo ke tshwana le mole. 23:32.340 --> 23:37.253 Ke qetile matsatsi a mangata dilaeboraring tsa molao mme ka fumana mehlodi ena. 23:37.253 --> 23:44.520 Ho boetse ho boletsoe ho Federal Law Gazette ea 1994 hore ntho tsohle li tla lula li le joalo. Re tla lula re hapiloe. 23:44.520 --> 23:52.700 Kahoo re hapiloe ka nnete le ka molao. 23:52.700 --> 23:57.700 Mme Trump a ke ke a hula masole a hae mona ho fihlela re e-na le selekane sa khotso. 23:57.700 --> 24:00.708 Seo se tlameha ho lokisoa. Ha ho letho le tla etsahala pele ho fihlela nako eo. 24:00.708 --> 24:05.959 Ho na le mantswe a mangata a reng, e, Maamerika, ke nako ya hore le kgutlele hae. 24:05.959 --> 24:11.106 Seo se ke ke sa sebetsa hobane re sebakeng se hapilweng ke sesole. 24:11.106 --> 24:17.200 Mme ha ho letho le tla etsahala ho fihlela re buisane ka sena selekaneng sa kgotso. 24:17.200 --> 24:22.886 Mme ka mora moo re ka boela ra fumana boipuso ba rona bo sebetsang. 24:22.886 --> 24:30.059 Kla.TV: Kahoo, haeba ke utlwisisa hantle, Donald Trump le tsamaiso ya hae ba lokela ho qala ka ho netefatsa 24:30.059 --> 24:34.120 hore baemedi ba molao ba buisana ka tumellano ya kgotso. 24:34.120 --> 24:40.226 Ebe o ne a tla tlameha ka tsela e itseng ho hlakola tlhōrō. MH: E felise. Kla.TV: E felise. 24:40.226 --> 24:49.866 Mme ba mpe ba eme, mme ka tsela e sebetsang, ba nolofaletse Jeremane hore e boele e sebetse ho ya ka molaotheo wa 24:49.866 --> 24:55.280 yona wa 1871 le mekgatlo ya naha e neng e thehilwe ka nako eo. 24:55.280 --> 24:58.286 Na ke utlwisitse hantle? MH: O utlwisitse hantle. 24:58.286 --> 25:02.060 Maikutlo a motheo a Trump. Ke se ke mo ikopantse hang. 25:02.060 --> 25:05.180 O ile a araba hang-hang. Ke ile ka makala. 25:05.180 --> 25:09.952 Kamora matsatsi a mmalwa, o ile a nkaraba. E ne e le ka imeile. 25:09.952 --> 25:16.680 Ho ne ho hlakile hore o ne a mpa a re, ho lokile, lona Majeremane, taba ena ke ea lona hape. 25:16.680 --> 25:20.813 Ha ke batle ho kena-kenana haholo kapa ho laola. 25:20.813 --> 25:25.926 O na le tse lekaneng tseo a lokelang ho li etsa Amerika, naheng ea United States. 25:25.926 --> 25:36.960 Kahoo ho ile ha bontšoa hore ha e le hantle ke taba ea Majeremane ho khutlela moo le ho boelanya boipuso ba bona. 25:36.960 --> 25:45.856 Empa ehlile, sena se ka kgonahala feela dipuisanong le Putin hajoale. Le Trump. Hobane tseo e ntse e le melao e molaong. 25:45.856 --> 25:52.480 Kla.TV: Ho lokile. Kahoo Trump o ne a tla tlameha hape ho dumellana le Putin mabapi le potso ya Jeremane. 25:52.480 --> 25:56.126 Ho lokela ho ba le puisano hape. E lokela ho ba taba ea moqoqo. 25:56.126 --> 26:05.641 Mme bobedi ba bona, mohlomong mmoho le Great Britain le Fora, ba ne ba tla tlameha ho etsa qeto mmoho, hore ho lokile, le 26:05.641 --> 26:15.040 ka kgutlela ho ba seo le neng le le sona, ho ya ka molao wa motheo wa kgale, o ntseng o le teng, mme le sebetse hape. 26:15.040 --> 26:20.798 Empa haeba ke utlwisisa hantle, boikitlaetso bo ne bo tla tlameha ho tswa ho matla a hapileng 26:20.798 --> 26:24.288 naha, e leng se neng se tla etsa hore ho kgonehe. 26:24.288 --> 26:28.320 MH: Ka bobedi. Ke tshebetso ya ho kopana. 26:28.320 --> 26:32.200 Mme, ehlile, motho e mong o tlameha ho nka mohato wa pele. 26:32.200 --> 26:38.080 E ne e le mohato o monyane haholo hore nka mo ikopanya le eena ho hang. 26:38.080 --> 26:39.640 Mme o tseba hantle-ntle se etsahalang. 26:39.640 --> 26:49.240 Hobane nakong e fetileng ea ketsahalo ea ketsamolao, o ile a re ha e le hantle o ne a batla ho fa Jeremane selekane sa khotso. 26:49.240 --> 26:52.673 Taba ea hore joale ho itšetlehile ka eena e ka be e entsoe khale. 26:52.673 --> 26:57.079 Empa o e hlalositse ka mantswe, mme ke na le bonnete ba hore batho ba bangata le bona ba e tseba. 26:57.079 --> 27:01.690 Mme ba bangata mohlomong ha ba a ka ba etsa letho ka hona hobane ba ne ba nahana hore re na le ntho e kang selekane sa khotso. 27:01.690 --> 27:05.593 Ha a bue seo ntle le lebaka. Ba tseba hantle-ntle se etsahalang Jeremane. 27:05.593 --> 27:11.680 Mme Putin o boletse molemong ona hore le yena o ka rata ho fihlela tumellano ya kgotso. Le Jeremane. 27:11.680 --> 27:17.546 Ha a tsebe feela hore a e saene le mang. Ka nako eo, e ne e le nako ea Merkel. 27:17.546 --> 27:20.680 Mme ha se moemedi ya molaong wa Mmuso wa Jeremane. 27:20.680 --> 27:26.926 Ke ka lebaka leo a e boletseng ka nepo e kholo ka tsela e poteletseng. O tlameha ho ela seo hloko. 27:26.926 --> 27:35.583 Kla.TV: Empa puso ea US le Federeishene ea Russia li ka tšehetsa sena joang, e le hore feela 27:35.583 --> 27:41.319 baemeli ba nepahetseng le bona ba tle tafoleng? 27:41.319 --> 27:45.210 MH: Jwalokaha ke boletse, ena ehlile hape ke taba ya batho ba Jeremane. 27:45.210 --> 27:50.686 Ke na le metswalle moo ba nang le dikgolagano tse ntle ofising ya boemedi e Russia. 27:50.686 --> 27:56.726 Mme ba re re ka buisana le Putin re le maemong a lekanang. O bulehile. 27:56.726 --> 28:03.670 Haeba re romela baemeli, leha e le ka nakoana feela, a ke ke a koala monyako. 28:03.670 --> 28:12.190 Re hlakisitse seo ho batho ba ofising ya boemedi le ho rona ka bo rona, ha re ka rialo. Menyako e bulehile. 28:12.190 --> 28:20.790 Ke mosebetsi oa rona ho netefatsa hore re amoheloa re le ba lekanang, hore le rona re nke mehato ena, hore re atamelane. 28:20.790 --> 28:24.230 Seo se ntse se atamela butle bakeng sa Jeremane. 28:24.230 --> 28:27.230 Kla.TV: Ntlha e khahlang, Ngaka Haug. 28:27.230 --> 28:31.930 Hantle haholo. Mme o ka bala ka tse ngata tsa dintho tsena, mohlomong bukeng ya hao. 28:31.930 --> 28:38.950 MH: Tsohle di teng moo, dingolwa tsohle tsa molao, nalane, ke entse dipatlisiso ka hloko le ka botlalo ka tsohle. 28:38.950 --> 28:45.070 Ha ke na phoso kamehla. Ho dula ho na le dintho tseo motho e mong a di tsebang ho feta nna. 28:45.070 --> 28:48.910 Hantle haholo, ke thabetse ho utlwa seo. Ke dula ke etsa dikgatiso tse ntjha. 28:48.910 --> 28:58.193 Ena ke khatiso ea bobeli, eo ho eona ke atolositseng le ho nontša tsohle ka temohisiso e eketsehileng. 28:58.193 --> 29:01.376 Empa ntho e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe e ka har'a eona e batlisitsoe ka botlalo. 29:01.376 --> 29:10.630 Kla.TV: Ho lokile haholo. Ngaka Haug, rea leboha haholo ka ho re fa temohisiso e nyane ka liphiri tsa Mmusommo oa Jeremane. 29:10.630 --> 29:16.440 Ruri re sa le qalong feela, empa e ne e le ntho e khahlang ho utloa ka eona. 29:16.440 --> 29:24.766 Sena se bolela hore boikarabelo joale bo matsohong a Majeremane ka bo ona. 29:24.766 --> 29:31.250 Mme mebuso e hatetseng e ikemiseditse ho mamela le ho tshehetsa dintho tsena. 29:31.250 --> 29:33.430 MH: Leha ho le joalo. Ho latela boiphihlelo ba ka, leha ho le joalo. 29:33.430 --> 29:40.419 Ho seng jwalo, karabo e ne e ke ke ya tla kapele hakana ho Trump, mohlala, le ho baemedi ba tswang Russia. 29:40.419 --> 29:44.066 Kla.TV: Hantle. MH: Kea leboha haholo. Kla.TV: E, ke kamohelo. MH: Nka rata ho bolela hona 29:44.066 --> 29:45.950 joale hore ke khonne ho fetisa ntho e itseng. 29:45.950 --> 29:51.595 Re ntse re le holim'a taba. Ho ka etsahala hore ho be le lipuisano tse latelang moo re 29:51.595 --> 29:54.770 tla kenella botebong haholoanyane mona le mane. 29:54.770 --> 29:58.048 Ho itshetlehile. Seo se ka thusa. Ke a leboha haholo. 29:58.048 --> 30:00.070 Kla.TV: Hantle haholo. Kea leboha ka boikemisetso ba lona. MH: Kea leboha.