WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.480 Kla.TV: Gqirha Haug, enkosi kakhulu ngokuthatha ixesha lokuthetha nathi namhlanje. 00:06.480 --> 00:11.479 Ungumbhali wencwadi ethi Das Deutsche Reich 1871 bis heute (Ubukhosi baseJamani ukusukela 00:11.479 --> 00:15.673 ngo-1871 kude kube namhlanje). Kude kube namhlanje? 00:15.673 --> 00:25.159 Gqirha Haug, kukho impikiswano enkulu ejikeleze ibango lokuba iRiphabliki yeManyano yaseJamani ayililo ilizwe, ukuba inayo 00:25.159 --> 00:32.857 kuphela iMthetho oSisiseko kodwa ayinayo imithetho-siseko, ukuba ayinaso isivumelwano sexolo, ukuba 00:32.857 --> 00:38.406 ayinazo imida yesizwe ecacisiweyo kwaye ayizimele. 00:38.406 --> 00:42.720 NamaJamani nabo abangenabuzwe. 00:42.720 --> 00:51.896 Njengelizwi eliphikisayo kwibali elixhaphakileyo, nceda ucacisele ababukeli ngokufutshane nangokucacileyo uluvo lwakho malunga 00:51.896 --> 00:59.760 nokuba ukubakho okuqhubekayo kweGerman Reich kuthetha ntoni kuwe, nokuba le micimbi iphikisanayo necatshulwa 00:59.760 --> 01:07.936 kakhulu inento yokwenza ntoni nokubakho okuqhubekayo kweGerman Reich, ngokokuqonda kwakho. 01:07.936 --> 01:10.800 Matthes Haug: Okokuqala, enkosi kakhulu ngomemo, Mnu. Matten. 01:10.800 --> 01:20.638 Ewe, ndibhale incwadi ethi Ukususela ngo-1871 ukuza Kuthi Ga, kuba iMbuso yamaJamani yasekwa ngo-1871 kwiHolo yeeZibuko 01:20.638 --> 01:25.540 eVersailles phantsi koBismarck noMlawuli-mbuso uWilhelm I. 01:25.540 --> 01:33.833 Yayivunyiwe, yamkelwa ngamazwe angama-46 abameli bawo babekhona apho yaye bayamkela, iMbuso yaseJamani. 01:33.833 --> 01:39.273 Kwaye le Mbuso yaseJamani ayizange iyekiswe. 01:39.273 --> 01:50.372 Ayinakuncitshiswa kwaphela, kuba oku kungafuna imithetho ekwabhalwe kumgaqo-siseko ka-1871, imigaqo-nkqubo 01:50.372 --> 01:56.993 malunga nokuba, umzekelo, umgaqo-siseko unokuncitshiswa njani. 01:56.993 --> 02:00.340 Lo mgaqo-siseko awuzange uchithwe. 02:00.340 --> 02:07.500 Kwaza kwalandela iMfazwe yokuQala yeHlabathi, yaye emva kwayo, eneneni, kwaba sisiphumo nje somlo. 02:07.500 --> 02:13.186 Akuzange kubekho isivumelwano sokwenene soxolo. Isivumelwano saseVersailles sasingesiso isivumelwano soxolo. 02:13.186 --> 02:19.891 Ngoko yayisisiphumo nje sokuphelisa umlilo. Kwaye ke, iMbuso yaseJamani isaqhubeka ikho nanamhlanje. 02:19.891 --> 02:29.685 Maganekwa ukudideka neThird Reich. Ezi zimbini zihlala zidideka. IThird Reich noBukhosi baseJamani buka-1871 azinanto yakwenza. 02:29.685 --> 02:40.959 Endaweni yoko, imvelaphi yayo ibalekela kulo mbuso kuphela, oqhubekileyo ukubakho ngaphandle kwenkohliso kude kube namhlanje. 02:40.959 --> 02:45.719 Kla.TV: Ngokoluvo lwakho, zeziphi iindlela ezinokwenzeka neziphumo ezivela kwinto yokuba 02:45.719 --> 02:48.480 uBukhosi baseJamani buqhubeka bukho nanamhlanje? 02:48.480 --> 02:53.740 Ngaba zikhona na amathuba akhethekileyo abemi okubumba ikamva? 02:53.740 --> 02:58.921 MH: Kukho amathuba amakhulu kakhulu. Kwaye xa sijonga ngokobumthetho kuphela, eli 02:58.921 --> 03:01.952 asilolizwi lam, kodwa yinyaniso esemthethweni. 03:01.952 --> 03:08.799 Ngoko ke, xa sijonga ngokomthetho kuphela, umgaqo-siseko ka-1871 nawo uyasebenza. 03:08.799 --> 03:18.906 Kuba eli Bhotwe laseJamani lisemfazweni, ngokomgaqo, nanamhlanje. Likhona nje kwimeko yokunqumama kwemfazwe, oko kukuthi. 03:18.906 --> 03:22.940 Kwaye kuphela lo Mbuso waseJamani onokuphinda usayine isivumelwano soyolo. 03:22.940 --> 03:25.833 IRiphabliki yeManyano yayingekabikho ngelo xesha. 03:25.833 --> 03:31.571 Ngokungqongqo, yasekwa kuphela ngomhla wesi-3 kuJanuwari 1950, emva kokuba konyulwe incwadi 03:31.571 --> 03:34.680 yokugqibela yokuvunywa eyayisenzelwe amaBritane. 03:34.680 --> 03:36.820 Ngoko ke umntu ucinga ukuba yasekwa ngo-1949. 03:36.820 --> 03:41.373 Ndiwuphande ngokucokisekileyo konke oku, ndaza ndakubeka ngokuchaneke kakhulu. 03:41.373 --> 03:46.880 Ndinomdla kuphela kwiinyaniso, akukho nto yimbi. Ndingusosayensi ngokwaneleyo ngaloo ndlela. 03:46.880 --> 03:53.539 Yiyo loo nto iRiphabliki yeFederali ingazange isekwe de kwaba ngomhla wesi-3 kuJanuwari 1950. 03:53.539 --> 03:57.931 Kungoko ke akunakwenzeka ukutyikitya isivumelwano soxolo, njengoko iRiphabliki yeFederali 03:57.931 --> 04:00.226 yaseJamani ingazange ibe ngutshaba emfazweni. 04:00.226 --> 04:06.060 Kwaye isivumelwano sexolo kumele silandele emva kwemfazwe. 04:06.060 --> 04:12.273 Kwaye oku kufuna abameli abasemthethweni beReich yaseJamani. 04:12.273 --> 04:20.626 Kla.TV: Kwaye aba bameli basemthethweni babengekho nokubakho kwezi ngxoxo zoxolo. 04:20.626 --> 04:27.080 Kukho into ebizwa ngokuba sisivumelwano se-2 plus 4. Ingaba konke bekusizicelo, njengoko besithi? 04:27.080 --> 04:31.060 MH: NgesiJamani, "Für den Katz" ayithethi "yekatse". 04:31.060 --> 04:34.306 Ewe, lo ngumba owahlukileyo. 04:34.306 --> 04:39.486 Abameli besivumelwano soxolo babengaze babe khona. 04:39.486 --> 04:43.473 Loo nto ibiya kuba nguMlawuli uWilliam Wokuqala okanye uMlawuli uWilliam Wesibini. 04:43.473 --> 04:48.100 Owokuqala walandelwa nguWilliam II. 04:48.100 --> 04:51.980 Ngoko ke, loo nto ibinokuba ngummi omele abanye ngokusemthethweni. 04:51.980 --> 04:56.766 Noko ke, waya emvunulweni, ngoko ke wayengasekho apha kwaye engasafikeleleki. 04:56.766 --> 05:04.678 Yaye iRiphabliki yaseWeimar yachazwa nje ngokuchasene nomgaqo-siseko osemthethweni ka-1871. Oku akunakwenzeka phantsi 05:04.678 --> 05:08.693 komthetho wamazwe ngamazwe kunye nomthetho womgaqo-siseko. 05:08.693 --> 05:14.980 Oku kuthetha ukuba kwakungekho mmeli usemthethweni woBukhosi baseJamani bango-1871. 05:14.980 --> 05:22.214 Aba babengamagosa ezopolitiko abangamakhwapha nabantu ababengenalo naliphi na igunya lokutyikitya 05:22.214 --> 05:25.893 isivumelwano sexolo seMbuso yaseJamani ngo-1871. 05:25.893 --> 05:32.053 Emva koko baxoxa, kwaye ngoku siza kwenza isitsiba esifutshane, iSivumelwano seMibini Plus Mne. 05:32.053 --> 05:35.480 Ngokungqongqo, ibizwa ngokuba yiSivumelwano seMine kunye neMibini. Yiloo nto abayibiza ngayo amaLungu. 05:35.480 --> 05:40.819 Ngoko ke, amaNzala amane, iSoviet Union, iNgilani, iFransi kunye ne-USA, kunye ne-FRG, 05:40.819 --> 05:44.919 iRiphabliki yeFederali yaseJamani kunye ne-GDR. 05:44.919 --> 05:52.012 Ezi zinto bezijolise ekusekeni iJamani emanyeneyo ngokungqinelana nesi sivumelwano. Loo nto ibiya kuba yinto enokuvunywa. 05:52.012 --> 05:55.239 Ngale ndlela, iJamani emanyeneyo ayizange ifezekiswe. 05:55.239 --> 06:00.340 Kuba iJamani emanyeneyo ithetha iJamani iphela njengoko yayinjalo ngo-1871. 06:00.340 --> 06:02.100 Oko kukunye ngokupheleleyo. 06:02.100 --> 06:06.900 IGermany yahlulwa yaba ngamacandelo amathathu emva kweMfazwe yesibini yeHlabathi. 06:06.900 --> 06:12.361 IRiphabliki yeFederal yaseJamani, eyayifudula iyiRiphabliki yeDemokhrasi yaseJamani, okanye iJamani ePhakathi ukuthetha ngqo. 06:12.361 --> 06:15.040 Kwaye imimandla eyayilawulwa yiJamani eMpuma ngaphaya kwePoland. 06:15.040 --> 06:17.900 Kwaye akukho nto itshintshileyo ngaloo mba kude kube namhlanje. 06:17.900 --> 06:28.846 Ngoko ke, iJamani emanyeneyo yayingenakudaliswa yiFRG ngesinye nje salezi zicanda zithathu, okanye kwanangezininzi zazo. 06:28.846 --> 06:32.615 Kwaye ke bahlala besithi esi Sivumelwano seMine Plus Mbini, neMbini Plus Mine, siza kuba 06:32.615 --> 06:34.853 sisivumelwano soxolo esifana nesivumelwano. 06:34.853 --> 06:40.416 Akukho nto injengisivumelwano soxolo esingaphelelanga. Sibizwa ngokucacileyo njengesivumelwano soxolo. 06:40.416 --> 06:46.380 Kwaye ekugqibeleni, esi sivumelwano asizange sivunywe ngabo bonke abathathi-nxaxheba. 06:46.380 --> 06:49.620 Kuphela ngeRashiya. Okunika umdla kakhulu. 06:49.620 --> 06:52.893 YiRashiya yodwa eyamkela esi sivumelwano. 06:52.893 --> 06:57.845 Kwaye uGenscher, owayenguNobhala Wezangaphandle weRiphabliki yeFederal yaseJamani ngelo 06:57.845 --> 07:00.773 xesha, akazange ayiqinisekise ngokwemigaqo-nkqubo. 07:00.773 --> 07:06.313 Kufuneka usayine apha ngokupheleleyo, nto leyo awenzileyo kwisivumelwano esiphambili. 07:06.313 --> 07:11.873 Xa kufikwa ekuqinisekiseni, wafaka iinitshisi zakhe kuphela. Akukho gama lakhe lokuqala, akukho nto yimbi. 07:11.873 --> 07:15.680 Kwaye xa sithetha ngqo, oko kungaphikisana nemimiselo. 07:15.680 --> 07:23.200 Kwaye ke esi sivumelwano asizange sisungulwe ngokusemthethweni. Yiloo nto ebalulekileyo. 07:23.200 --> 07:33.460 Kla.TV: Gqirha Haug, ukuba ndikuqondile kakuhle, umgaqo-siseko ka-1871 usasebenza nanamhlanje. 07:33.460 --> 07:37.632 Kodwa ke, yintoni iMthetho oSisiseko? Inentsingiselo enjani? 07:37.632 --> 07:44.117 MH: UMthetho Osisiseko usekelwe kwiSivumelwano saseHague. Oko ngumthetho wamazwe ngamazwe. 07:44.117 --> 07:47.880 Ulawula imeko yemfazwe neemeko zasemva kwemfazwe. 07:47.880 --> 07:53.353 Kla.TV: I-HLKO ithetha ntoni? MH: ISivumelwano saseHague soMlo waseMhlabeni. 07:53.353 --> 07:59.786 Ingaba umhlali kufuneka anike abahlali umgaqo-siseko? 07:59.786 --> 08:05.420 Ukugcina ucwangco, ingqeqesho noxolo. Yindlela ekuchazwa ngayo. 08:05.420 --> 08:12.793 Yiyo loo nto ibizwa ngokuba yiBasic Law yeFederal Republic yaseJamani, hayi iBasic Law yeFederal Republic yaseJamani. 08:12.793 --> 08:17.966 Ngoko ke, lilungelo lomhlali elo. Mbalelwano emfutshane. 08:17.966 --> 08:23.820 Utata wam wayemazi uCarlo Schmidt, ekuthiwa ngomnye wabasunguli boMthetho oSiseko. 08:23.820 --> 08:27.813 Wayelilungu eliphezulu lombutho wobudlelwane wobuzalwana bakayise. 08:27.813 --> 08:31.579 Kwaye, esenomdla kancinci ngenxa yemibhiyozo, watyhila iimfihlo ezithile. 08:31.579 --> 08:38.020 Wathi ke, uyazi, sasivunyelwe ukongeza iimpawu zokuphela kwamazwi neekhoma. Konke okunye kwakusele kugqitywe kwangaphambili. 08:38.020 --> 08:44.400 Abalingane ngokwendalo bafuna ukubumba lo mgaqo-siseko ngokwezinto ezibaxhasayo. Oko kucacile, ewe. 08:44.400 --> 08:51.320 Ngoko ke, le yintetho ethe ngqo kaCarlo Schmidt malunga notata wam njengomngqina. 08:51.320 --> 09:00.393 Kwaye kusatsho kwisiCandelo 120 soMthetho oSiseko namhlanje ukuba urhulumente womanyano uhlawula iindleko 09:00.393 --> 09:05.273 zokuhlala. Oko kukuthi, kuhlelo lwangoku luka-2025. 09:05.273 --> 09:11.420 Oku kuthetha ukuba ukuba kufuneka uhlawule iindleko zokuhlala, nathi ke siye sibe nomsebenzi. 09:11.420 --> 09:13.984 Asinayo imithetho-siseko. 09:13.984 --> 09:22.101 Kuba, ngokwemigqaliselo yomthetho wamazwe ngamazwe, urhulumente ofanelekileyo unabemi, 09:22.101 --> 09:27.136 imida, amaziko karhulumente kunye nomgaqo-siseko. 09:27.136 --> 09:33.065 Ngokungqongqo, iRiphabliki yeFederali ayikazalisekisi nanye kwezi zinto zintathu. Asisosizwe, 09:33.065 --> 09:36.520 kuba bonke abemi bayo bangabemi beReich yaseJamani. 09:36.520 --> 09:39.780 Abo banokungqina oku ngolwalathiso lwabo lwezizukulwana. 09:39.780 --> 09:45.977 Ngoko ke iRiphabliki yeFederal ngokwayo ayinalo umthetho wobuzwe osemthethweni. 09:45.977 --> 09:55.813 Kwaye nemida yesizwe ayikho. Kuba imida yesizwe, imida yesizwe yokwenene, yadalwa liBhotwe laseJamani ngo-1871. 09:55.813 --> 10:04.240 Kwaye ke iRiphabliki yeFederali yasekwa njengomqulu wolawulo, njengommandla wezoqoqosho. Ngamandla abathimba ilizwe. 10:04.240 --> 10:09.540 Kwaye amandla anqunyulayo akanalo ilungelo lokunyanzelisa ilizwe elitsha kulo. 10:09.540 --> 10:15.328 Ngoko ke, ngokwembono yomthetho wamazwe ngamazwe, iMbuso yaseJamani ka-1871 ayitshintshanga. 10:15.328 --> 10:23.796 Kla.TV: Ngoko ke, ukuba ndikuqonda kakuhle, iRiphabliki yeFederali yaseJamani yinto nje eyasekwa ngokwolawulo, 10:23.796 --> 10:29.260 masithi, ngamandla aphumeleleyo ukuze kugcinwe ucwangco loluntu. 10:29.260 --> 10:31.499 Oko kundisa kumbuzo wam olandelayo. 10:31.499 --> 10:39.080 Kuba abaqinisekisi beenyani abathi ngokwabo bahlala bexoxa ngelithi urhulumente namagunya akhe kufuneka babe ziinkampani. 10:39.080 --> 10:43.625 Kusoloko kuthiwa iRiphabliki yeFederal yaseJamani yinkampani enomda okanye into efana 10:43.625 --> 10:46.048 naleyo, ikorporasiyo. Ukuze ikwazi ukwenza izinto. 10:46.048 --> 10:55.270 Ukuze kungabikho kulahleka kwenkululeko okanye ubuzwe-mbuso okunxulumene nayo. Ukuze kungabikho kulahleka. 10:55.270 --> 11:06.419 Kodwa wena uyibona njani? Ingaba oku ngoku, le nto thina, masithi, siyinkampani nje kwaye sinayo nekhadi 11:06.419 --> 11:12.125 lokuzazisa, ingaba oko luphawu lwalo mqulu wolawulo? 11:12.125 --> 11:17.329 Kwaye ukuba thina asilulo ilizwe lokwenene, nokuba iRiphabliki yeManyano yaseJamani ayililo 11:17.329 --> 11:20.100 ilizwe kwaphela, kodwa iyunithi nje yolawulo? 11:20.100 --> 11:21.920 Ingaba oko luphawu lwale nto? 11:21.920 --> 11:26.000 MH: Ngokuqinisekileyo oko luphawu lwaloo nto. 11:26.000 --> 11:32.751 Ngelo xesha, ngo-1990, ngexesha loku kuthiwa ngumanyano, olungazange lwenzeke, uMphathiswa Wezangaphandle waseMelika kunye 11:32.751 --> 11:39.391 noMphathiswa Wezangaphandle waseJamani, oko kukuthi weSoviet Union, basebenzisa ilungelo labo lokuba ngamaLungu oManyano 11:39.391 --> 11:44.703 lokubeka umqathango baza basusa uMthetho oSiseko bengawufakanga omnye endaweni yawo, besusa umda 11:44.703 --> 11:48.460 wokusetyenziswa kwawo, iSigaba 23, apho kwakuchazwe khona oku. 11:48.460 --> 11:52.620 Umthetho ngamnye ufuna umda wokusetyenziswa ocacisiweyo. 11:52.620 --> 11:59.400 I-GDR yayinomgaqo-siseko. Kwaye lo yayisikwe kwelinye iceba, ngokungathi kukhutshelwa isiphasiphothi. 11:59.400 --> 12:06.539 Oku kuthetha ukuba ukusukela ngalo mzuzu, ngomhla we-18 kaJulayi 1990, xa kwenzeka oku, okanye ngokuchanekileyo ngomhla we-17 12:06.539 --> 12:11.450 kaJulayi 1990, ezinzulwini zobusuku zomhla we-18 kaJulayi 1990, iRiphabliki yeFederali 12:11.450 --> 12:15.080 yaseJamani kunye ne-GDR zabhengezwa njengezingasebenziyo. 12:15.080 --> 12:17.606 Akukho mntu wayeseneegunya ezipheleleyo. 12:17.606 --> 12:24.363 Ukususela koMgcini-mali weqela ngalinye ukuqhubela phambili, akukho mntu wayenagunya, naliphi na igunya 12:24.363 --> 12:27.800 eliphezulu lokuthetha egameni le-FRG okanye le-GDR. 12:27.800 --> 12:33.700 Kwaye oku kwafihlwa kubantu baseJamani. 12:33.700 --> 12:38.113 Kwaye ngaloo nto, kwakungathi kwenzeke kungekho mntu. 12:38.113 --> 12:44.616 IRiphabliki yeFederali yaseJamani yayingasaphantsi kolawulo ngokwabasebenzi, kuba amandla amaLungu, ngokwendalo i-United 12:44.616 --> 12:49.656 States, elona mandla liphambili eloyisileyo laseNtshona, ayesirhoxisile amagunya ayo olawulo. 12:49.656 --> 12:52.600 Ngoko ke yayingasaphantsi kolawulo ngaloo ndlela. 12:52.600 --> 12:59.652 Kwaye uGenscher noKohl baza kubhalisa iRiphabliki yeFederal yaseJamani njengekhephu eDelaware. 12:59.652 --> 13:06.612 Kwaye uGenscher wasusa i-BRD kwiSivumelwano se-UN waza wabhala iJamani. 13:06.612 --> 13:11.980 Kananjalo njengenkampani. Babhaliswe njengenkampani eDelaware. 13:11.980 --> 13:19.453 Ungakhangela kwi-UPIC, inkqubo yolwazi lwamafayile amazwe ngamazwe eenkampani. 13:19.453 --> 13:27.590 Kwaye kuthiwa apho, uMongameli Steinmeier weRiphabliki yeManyano, inombolo yenkampani, idilesi yenkampani, ngoko ke zonke 13:27.590 --> 13:35.840 ziinkampani kuyo yonke indawo, kuba kwafuneka abhalise uKohl njengenkampani, kuba isiseko somgaqo-siseko sasirhoxisiwe. 13:35.840 --> 13:41.713 Kla.TV: Gqirha Haug, sibuyela kweli khadi lasemthethweni. 13:41.713 --> 13:51.853 Ngoko ke, ukuba le khadi lasemthethweni liye lafana nelikhadi le-ID lenkampani yaseJamani, 13:51.853 --> 13:57.952 iNkampani yaseJamani, yintoni isizathu saloo nto? 13:57.952 --> 14:06.491 MH: Kukho imithetho yamazwe ngamazwe ethi kwimeko yokuba ngamabanjwa, ngokomgaqo singamabanjwa, kude kube ngoku besikule 14:06.491 --> 14:15.125 meko yokuba ngamabanjwa, mhlawumbi sinenkululeko engaphezulwana kunale sikuyo ngoku entolongweni, kodwa sinayo loo meko. 14:15.125 --> 14:23.866 Kwaye kukho imigaqo-nkqubo emiselweyo ethi aba bantu kufuneka banikwe isazisi okanye uxwebhu lokuhamba. 14:23.866 --> 14:28.185 Ikhadi elingqina ubuni lityhila ukuba singabasebenzi. Bendisoloko ndisebenza ndaweni ithile ngeeholide, kwaDaimler, umzekelo. 14:28.185 --> 14:35.532 Bendisoloko ndisebenza ndaweni ithile ngeeholide, eDaimler okanye kwenye indawo, kwaye ubunikezelwa 14:35.532 --> 14:40.232 ngamakhadi esazisi yiDaimler kuba ubusebenza apho ngelo xesha. 14:40.232 --> 14:48.604 Kwaye oku kuyafana kanye neshishini elirhwebayo elaziwa ngokuba yiRiphabliki yeFederal yaseJamani, 14:48.604 --> 14:52.899 elithi emva koko linike abantu ikhadi lokuzazisa. 14:52.899 --> 14:56.320 Kwaye oko kubonisa ngokucacileyo ukuba singabasebenzi nje kuphela. 14:56.320 --> 14:57.780 Kla.TV: Kwaye ke ngoko ingabemi. 14:57.780 --> 14:59.296 MH: Kwaye bengenabumi. 14:59.296 --> 15:08.938 Kla.TV: Ngoko ke, ukuba ngoku sinenkampani enye kuphela kwiRiphabliki yeFederal yaseJamani kwaye kungekho mgaqo-siseko 15:08.938 --> 15:18.334 wokwenene, kodwa kukho umyalelo wolawulo nje wokugcina uxolo noxolo loluntu, mandibeke ngolu hlobo: ziziphi iithuba 15:18.334 --> 15:27.649 ezinokunikwa kukubuyela kwiReich yokwenene yaseJamani, kumgaqo-siseko wokwenene, osasebenzayo nanamhlanje, kubantu 15:27.649 --> 15:32.680 baseJamani okanye kubemi baseJamani? Ingaba oku kwanele? 15:32.680 --> 15:39.000 Ngaba luphepha nje oludala nolunothuli, okanye lunento ebalulekileyo olufuna ukusixelela namhlanje? 15:39.000 --> 15:40.520 MH: Oko kubaluleke kakhulu. 15:40.520 --> 15:46.199 Ewe kona, kubaluleke kakhulu ukufikelela kwimeko yemfazwe, kwanakwimeko yoxolo, ngokusebenzisa 15:46.199 --> 15:50.140 isivumelwano soxolo. Loo nto yimfuneko yokuqala. 15:50.140 --> 15:57.707 Ke, ngokwembono yomthetho wamazwe ngamazwe, siza kuphinda sibe lilizwe, ilizwe elamkelweyo. Kwaye siza kuphinda 15:57.707 --> 16:04.720 sibe namalungelo elizwe ahambelanayo esingenalo okwangoku kwimeko yeRiphabliki yeFederali yaseJamani. 16:04.720 --> 16:07.840 Ngokwenene asinalo ilizwe, sonke thina amaJamani. 16:07.840 --> 16:10.560 Isenokungakholeleki, kodwa yinyani. 16:10.560 --> 16:16.980 Ngoko ke, siza kuphinda sibe namalungelo omgaqo-siseko nokuzimela phantsi komthetho wamazwe ngamazwe. 16:16.980 --> 16:26.425 Kwaye lo mgaqo-siseko usenokubonakala umdala, wango-1871, kwaye mhlawumbi uphelelwe lixesha kancinci, kodwa akunjalo. 16:26.425 --> 16:28.960 Kwakukho iimpumelelo ezinkulu. 16:28.960 --> 16:35.226 Kwaye apho, umzekelo, bathethe kwakhona ngokuba imeko yerhafu yayinjani kwiMbuso yaseJamani. 16:35.226 --> 16:39.365 Bekukho irhafu yentengiso eyi-4% kuphela. 16:39.365 --> 16:47.300 Kwakungekho rhafu yengeniso kwaphela, kwakukho kuphela ireyithi encinci yerhafu yengeniso engaphezulu komda othile. 16:47.300 --> 16:53.900 Oko kuthetha ukuthi, mandikunike umzekelo, ukuba kukho i-4% kuphela ye-VAT, masithathe amaxabiso esibaso. 16:53.900 --> 17:00.893 Ukuba sithetha ngemali yanamhlanje, ndine-diesel, malunga ne-1.70, ke ungazibalela ngokwakho: ukuba unayo i-4% ye-VAT 17:00.893 --> 17:05.160 kuphela, ke amaxabiso esibaso ngoku ngokuwahluke kwaphela. 17:05.160 --> 17:11.084 Namhlanje, kukho icandelo lerhafu elingama-80 eesenti okanye ngaphezulu, ngokukodwa kwipetroli, kwaye mna 17:11.084 --> 17:17.580 ndinexabiso eliphantsi ngokuphindwe kahlanu, ngoko ke ndikwama-70 eesenti okanye ngaphezulu kwixabiso lepetroli. 17:17.580 --> 17:28.133 Ngoko ke ndicinga ukuba lo ngumzekelo nje omnye obonisa ukuba ngokwenene inika iingenelo ezinkulu kubemi baseJamani. 17:28.133 --> 17:33.360 Kwaye ke, ikwamalungu ezemali, oko kucacile. 17:33.360 --> 17:43.060 Ngoko ke, ngelo xesha, umhlalaphantsi wayefumana umyinge wee-euro eziyi-3,000 ngenyanga, umzekelo, xa kwenziwa uguqulo. 17:43.060 --> 17:48.432 Ndicinga ukuba umthathi-mhlalaphantsi oqhelekileyo akanankathalo ngayo; abanye eneneni bafumana 17:48.432 --> 17:51.000 ngaphezulu, kodwa bona babalwa ngeminwe yesandla. 17:51.000 --> 17:58.430 Ukuba ungafumana umhlalaphantsi olungileyo apha ungahlawulanga irhafu eninzi, loo nto nayo ingumceli-mngeni omkhulu 17:58.430 --> 18:02.100 kuthi, xa ujonge abaqokeleli beebhotile abaninzi, njalo njalo. 18:02.100 --> 18:04.920 Ngoko ke oko kuneenzuzo ezininzi. 18:04.920 --> 18:09.793 Singathetha ngayo enye imizuzu engamashumi amathathu, malunga neenzuzo—enyanisweni, zizinto eziluncedo kuphela. 18:09.793 --> 18:14.900 Kodwa ndingathanda nje ukukhankanya le nkalo ibalulekileyo. 18:14.900 --> 18:19.970 Kla.TV: Ngoku ke ngombuzo owahlukileyo. Ngoko ke, ukuba iRiphabliki yeManyano yaseJamani ngokwenene 18:19.970 --> 18:24.835 yinkampani nje kuphela, ingaba ibhaliswe njengenkampani, inkampani enomda okanye yintoni? 18:24.835 --> 18:29.120 MH: Ayibhaliswanga njenge-limited company, ibhaliswe nje njengenkampani. Kla.TV: Ibhaliswe njengenkampani. 18:29.120 --> 18:38.818 Kwaye thina sinemigaqo yethu yasekhaya nje kuphela, eyindlela yokulungelelanisa ubomi 18:38.818 --> 18:44.546 bethu, kodwa asinaso isigunyaziso esisisiseko. 18:44.546 --> 18:49.240 Ngoko ke, kuthekani ngetyala lesizwe eloyikekayo esijongene nalo? 18:49.240 --> 18:51.680 Ingaba zifanelekile kuthi ngokwenene? 18:51.680 --> 19:01.133 Asiyonto leyo yenkampani, hayi yabahlali, abemi bokwenene baseJamani? 19:01.133 --> 19:04.146 Kuthekani ngaloo nto? Ingaba inento yokwenza nayo? 19:04.146 --> 19:09.653 MH: Lo ngumbuzo olungileyo kakhulu. Masibuyele kwicandelo lezemali. 19:09.653 --> 19:16.220 Ityala lesizwe okanye amatyala ale nkampani yorhwebo ayizinto ezimxhalabisayo uBukhosi baseJamani. 19:16.220 --> 19:20.420 Azikho nje. Ngokomgaqo, azisekho. 19:20.420 --> 19:27.607 Abahlawuli berhafu baseJamani kufuneka bahlawule phakathi kwe-€10,000 ne-€15,000 ngonyaka ngenxa yenzala 19:27.607 --> 19:31.560 kuphela, ngenxa nje yolu zinga lwenzala luyoyikeka. 19:31.560 --> 19:34.600 Ndicinga ukuba oko kungaba luncedo kakhulu kuyo yonke indlu. 19:34.600 --> 19:40.641 Kwaye ezi zibambiso, kakade, azimxhalabisi uBukhosi baseJamani, kuba uBukhosi baseJamani babutyebi kwaye 19:40.641 --> 19:45.280 bunokuphinda butyebe ukuba izinto zilawulwa kakuhle. 19:45.280 --> 19:54.521 Kla.TV: Kulungile. Yile ndlela izinto ezinjalo ngoku. UMongameli wase-US uDonald Trump kunye nolawulo lwakhe banovelwano 19:54.521 --> 19:58.705 olukhulu kwinkululeko nokuzimela kwabemi baseYurophu. 19:58.705 --> 20:01.993 Kutshanje kakhulu kwiNkomfa yezoKhuseleko yaseMunich. 20:01.993 --> 20:06.216 UVance wayekhe wathetha ngamandla esixhasile inkululeko yemidiya nazo zonke ezi zinto 20:06.216 --> 20:09.460 kunye nokwenziwa kwentando yesininzi njalo njalo. 20:09.460 --> 20:17.521 Ngokoluvo lwakho, ngawaphi amanyathelo olawulo lukaTrump ekufuneka aluthathe ukuze lwenze iJamani nabantu baseJamani 20:17.521 --> 20:23.775 bakwazi ukufumana uxolo nesivumelwano soxolo esifanayo, ukuze bakwazi ukubuyisa inkululeko 20:23.775 --> 20:27.446 yabo nobukhosi babo baze baphinde babe lilizwe? 20:27.446 --> 20:35.580 Ngoko ke yonke le migaqo, ekucacileyo ukuba niyilahlekelwe yiyo ekuhambeni kwembali, njengoko nisandul' ukucacisa. 20:35.580 --> 20:38.140 Kungathini uTrump ekufuneka akwenze? 20:38.140 --> 20:47.600 MH: Ngoko ke, ngokukodwa, abameli abasemthethweni boBukhosi baseJamani bango-1871, abakhethwa ngabantu kunyulo lwedemokhrasi. 20:47.600 --> 20:50.797 Mna ngokwam, andinguye umxhasi omkhulu wamaqela. 20:50.797 --> 20:57.540 Ungakwazi nokubamba unyulo lwakho, ukuze uvotele umntu omfunayo. 20:57.540 --> 21:02.860 Kwaye, ewe kona, amaLungu kufuneka ahlale phantsi etafileni nangayiphi na imeko. 21:02.860 --> 21:08.033 Ngoko ke, onke amazwe amane angamaNgesi. IFransi ayidlali ndima inkulu. 21:08.033 --> 21:11.673 IRashiya neMelika ngokwendalo zidlala indima ebaluleke kakhulu. 21:11.673 --> 21:18.879 Kwaye apha, ewe kona, kufuneka kubekho iingxoxo eziphathekayo malunga nendlela yokubuyela inyathelo 21:18.879 --> 21:22.980 nenyathelo kwiMbuso yaseJamani yedemokhrasi yango-1871. 21:22.980 --> 21:31.771 Lo mgaqo-siseko ka-1871, owakhutshwa ngo-Epreli ka-1871, wanyulwa ngendlela yedemokhrasi phakathi kweqela ezahlukeneyo: 21:31.771 --> 21:36.919 iCentre Party, eyayiyimbali ye-CDU, kunye ne-SPD zazisele zikho. 21:36.919 --> 21:39.005 Emva koko bavunyelwa nokuvota kwimpuma Jamani. 21:39.005 --> 21:43.700 Kwaye yamkelwa ngalinani elikhulu kakhulu, lo mgaqo-siseko wamkelwa. 21:43.700 --> 21:48.600 Umbusi wayengummeleli nje kuphela kwihlabathi langaphandle. Njengomphathiswa wezangaphandle. 21:48.600 --> 21:51.080 Wayengenalo naliphi na ilungelo elikhulu okanye into efana naleyo. 21:51.080 --> 21:55.240 Umntu ucinga ukuba kuza kuvela ubukumkani, aze ke umntu ahlulwe kuye ukumkani. 21:55.240 --> 21:58.360 Lilizwe elilawulwa ngukumkani ngokomgaqo-siseko. 21:58.360 --> 22:03.166 Kodwa apho umlawuli, njengoko benditshilo, engumlomo wehlabathi langaphandle. 22:03.166 --> 22:06.726 Kwaye okunye kugqitywa ngendlela efanayo yokuvotelwa. 22:06.726 --> 22:09.680 E-Reichstag, esisenayo nanamhlanje, ngendlela. 22:09.680 --> 22:13.346 Reichstag, ayibizwa ngokuba yiReichstag eBerlin ngenxa nje. 22:13.346 --> 22:20.102 Abameli abasemthethweni beReichstag baya kuphinda babhale izilungiso zomthetho, bamisele 22:20.102 --> 22:23.940 izikhokelo, njalo njalo, kwiinkqubo zedemokhrasi. 22:23.940 --> 22:28.860 Ngoko ke akukho mfuneko yokuba ukhathazeke ngokubuyela kwimihla yobumnyama okanye nantoni na enjalo. 22:28.860 --> 22:32.100 Nangoko ke, yayilawulwa ngendlela yedemokhrasi kakhulu. 22:32.100 --> 22:41.438 Kla.TV: Ewe, ke, ukuba ndiqonda kakuhle, uMongameli uDonald Trump kuya kufuneka aqinisekise, ukuba unenkxalabo ngenkululeko 22:41.438 --> 22:51.286 yamaYurophu, ukuba, umzekelo, aba bameli beReich yaseJamani baphakamisa izihlalo kwaye kuxoxisanwe ngesivumelwano soxolo. 22:51.286 --> 22:53.240 Kwaye bekunokwenzeka enzeni elinye? 22:53.240 --> 23:02.800 MH: Ewe, kunjalo, imeko ebalulekileyo eJamani kukuba thina siphantsi kolawulo olukhulu lwe-USA. 23:02.800 --> 23:08.646 Kukho iisikhululo zomkhosi ezingaphezu kwamashumi amathathu, iisikhululo ezikhulu zomkhosi apha. 23:08.646 --> 23:12.600 Inani lamajoni liza kungekudala lidlule elo loMkhosi waseBritane. 23:12.600 --> 23:16.286 Ngoko ke, awunakuthi asixakekanga. 23:16.286 --> 23:21.879 Sithinjwe ngokwenene. Ungakubona oko kwiziseko ezininzi zemikhosi. Akukho nto itshintshileyo. 23:21.879 --> 23:26.300 Oku kubhekiselwa kuyo njengoMthetho woMkhosi, osasebenzayo nanamhlanje. Ikwabandakanyiwe kwiGazete yoMthetho kaRhulumente. 23:26.300 --> 23:32.340 Ndiwuphande wonke lo mba ngokucokisekileyo. Ngoko ke ndifana nomhlwa. 23:32.340 --> 23:37.253 Ndichithe iintsuku kwiilayibrari zomthetho ndaza ndazifumana ezi zixhobo. 23:37.253 --> 23:44.520 Kukwatshilo kwiGazete yoMthetho weFederal ka-1994 ukuba yonke into iza kuhlala injalo. Siza kuhlala sinqanyaziwe. 23:44.520 --> 23:52.700 Ngoko ke, sihlangatshezwe ngokwenyani nangokusemthethweni. 23:52.700 --> 23:57.700 Kwaye uTrump akayi kuzirhoxisa iimikhosi zakhe apha de sibe nesivumelwano sexolo. 23:57.700 --> 24:00.708 Kufuneka kulungiswe loo nto. Akukho nto iza kwenzeka de kube njalo. 24:00.708 --> 24:05.959 Zininzi izizwi ezithi, ewe, maMelika, lixesha lokuba nibuyele ekhaya. 24:05.959 --> 24:11.106 Loo nto ayizukusebenza kuba sikwindawo elawulwa ngumkhosi. 24:11.106 --> 24:17.200 Kwaye akukho nto iza kwenzeka side siwuxoxe ngalo umcimbi kwisivumelwano soxolo. 24:17.200 --> 24:22.886 Emva koko singabuyisela ubuzwe bethu obusebenzayo. 24:22.886 --> 24:29.741 Kla.TV: Ngoko ke, ukuba ndiqonda kakuhle, uDonald Trump nolawulo lwakhe kufuneka kuqala baqinisekise ukuba 24:29.741 --> 24:34.120 abameli abasemthethweni bathethathethana ngesivumelwano soyolo. 24:34.120 --> 24:40.226 Emva koko kuya kufuneka ngandlela ithile arhoxise imeko yokuthathwa kweziko. MH: Phelisa. Kla.TV: Phelisa. 24:40.226 --> 24:50.148 Kwaye kuyeke nje, kwaye ngokwenziwa, kuvumele iJamani ukuba isebenze kwakhona ngokungqinelana nomgaqo-siseko wayo 24:50.148 --> 24:55.280 ka-1871 kunye namaziko karhulumente awasekwa ngelo xesha. 24:55.280 --> 24:58.286 Ingaba ndiqondile kakuhle? MH: Uqondile kakuhle. 24:58.286 --> 25:02.060 Isimo sengqondo esisiseko sikaTrump. Sendikhe ndaqhagamshelana naye kanye. 25:02.060 --> 25:05.180 Undiphendule kwangoko. Ndamangaliswa. 25:05.180 --> 25:09.952 Emva kweentsuku ezimbalwa, wandiphendula. Kwakung nge-imeyile. 25:09.952 --> 25:16.680 Kwakucacile phakathi kwemigca ukuba wayesithi nje, kulungile, nina amaJamani, le yinto yenu nani. 25:16.680 --> 25:20.813 Andifuni kungena kakhulu okanye ukuyalela. 25:20.813 --> 25:25.926 Unomsebenzi owaneleyo eMelika, kwi-USA. 25:25.926 --> 25:36.960 Ngoko ke kwavela ukuba kuxhomekeke kakhulu kumaJamani ukuba abuyele apho baze baphinde bazuze inkululeko yabo. 25:36.960 --> 25:45.856 Kodwa ke, oku kunokwenzeka kuphela kwiingxoxo noPutin okwangoku. NoTrump. Kuba ezo zisekho ngokomthetho. 25:45.856 --> 25:52.480 Kla.TV: Kulungile. Ngoko ke uTrump naye kufuneka avumelane noPutin ngomba waseJamani. 25:52.480 --> 25:56.126 Kufuneka kubekho nengxoxo. Kufuneka ibe ngumxholo wencoko. 25:56.126 --> 26:05.223 Kwaye bobabini, mhlawumbi kunye neBritani enkulu neFransi, kuya kufuneka ke benza isigqibo kunye, besithi, 26:05.223 --> 26:15.040 kulungile, ningabuyela ekubeni yile nto ebeniyiyo, ngokomgaqo-siseko omdala, osakhoyo, kwaye nisebenze kwakhona. 26:15.040 --> 26:24.288 Kodwa ukuba ndiqonda kakuhle, inyathelo lingaphuma kulawulo olulawulayo, nto leyo eya kuthi ke yenze kube nokwenzeka. 26:24.288 --> 26:28.320 MH: Zombini. Yinkqubo yokudibana. 26:28.320 --> 26:32.200 Kwaye, ewe kona, kufuneka kubekho umntu othatha inyathelo lokuqala. 26:32.200 --> 26:38.080 Linyathelo elincinci kakhulu kum ukuba ndiye ndaqhagamshelana naye kwaphela. 26:38.080 --> 26:39.640 Kwaye uyazi kakuhle ukuba kwenzeka ntoni. 26:39.640 --> 26:49.240 Kuba ngexesha lediplomasi elidlulileyo, wathi eneneni wayefuna ukunika iJamani isivumelwano sexesha. 26:49.240 --> 26:52.673 Into yokuba ngoku kuxhomekeke kuye ibinokwenziwa kudala. 26:52.673 --> 26:57.079 Kodwa wakwazi ukukubeka ngamazwi, kwaye ndiqinisekile ukuba nabantu abaninzi bayakwazi kakuhle nako. 26:57.079 --> 27:01.690 Kwaye abaninzi mhlawumbi abenzanga nto ngayo kuba becinga ukuba sinento efana nesivumelwano soxolo. 27:01.690 --> 27:05.593 Akayithethi loo nto ngaphandle kwesizathu. Bayazi kakuhle ukuba kwenzeka ntoni eJamani. 27:05.593 --> 27:11.680 Kwaye uPutin uthe kulo mxholo naye angathanda ukugqibezela isivumelwano sexolo. NesiSiJamani. 27:11.680 --> 27:17.546 Akazi nje ukuba angasayinela bani. Ngelo xesha, yayikukuthatha kukaMerkel. 27:17.546 --> 27:20.680 Kwaye akayommeli osemthethweni we-German Reich. 27:20.680 --> 27:26.926 Yiyo loo nto eyibeke ngokucacileyo kodwa ngendlela ejikayo. Kufuneka uqaphele loo nto. 27:26.926 --> 27:35.651 Kla.TV: Kodwa ingaba ulawulo lwase-US kunye neRussian Federation zingakuxhasa njani, ngenxa yam nje, 27:35.651 --> 27:41.319 ukuba abameli abafanelekileyo nabo beze etafileni? 27:41.319 --> 27:45.210 MH: Njengoko benditshilo, le ngumba yabantu baseJamani nayo. 27:45.210 --> 27:50.686 Ndine abahlobo apho abanabantu abanobudlelwane obuhle kwi-ofisi yozakuzo yaseRashiya. 27:50.686 --> 27:56.726 Kwaye bathi singathetha noPutin simi ngokulinganayo. Uvulelekile. 27:56.726 --> 28:03.670 Ukuba sithumela abameli, nokuba kuxa kwexeshana nje, akayi kulivala ucango. 28:03.670 --> 28:12.190 Siyibeke elubala loo nto kubantu base-ofisini yozakuzo nakuthi thina, ukuthetha ngokomfuziselo. Iingcango zivuliwe. 28:12.190 --> 28:17.428 Kuxhomekeke kuthi ukuba siqinisekise ukuba samkelwa njengabalingana, ukuba nathi 28:17.428 --> 28:20.790 sithatha la manyathelo, nokuba siyancokolisana. 28:20.790 --> 28:24.230 Loo nto iya kancinci isiza eJamani. 28:24.230 --> 28:27.230 Kla.TV: Ingongoma enomdla, Gqirha Haug. 28:27.230 --> 28:31.930 Kuhle. Kwaye ungafunda ngezininzi zezi zinto, mhlawumbi kwincwadi yakho. 28:31.930 --> 28:38.950 MH: Yonke into ikhona apho, zonke iingxelo zomthetho, imbali, ndiyiphandile yonke into ngenyameko nangokucokisekileyo. 28:38.950 --> 28:45.070 Andikho ndingenaziphoso. Kuhlala kukho izinto umntu othile akwazi ngakumbi ngazo. 28:45.070 --> 28:48.910 Kuhle kakhulu, ndivuyiswe kakhulu yiloo nto. Ndihlala ndisenza iinguqulelo ezintsha. 28:48.910 --> 28:58.193 Olu luhlelo lwesibini, endilwandise ndaza ndayityebisa yonke into ngemibono eyongezelelweyo. 28:58.193 --> 29:01.376 Kodwa yonke into ekuyo iphantsi kophando olunzulu. 29:01.376 --> 29:10.630 Kla.TV: Kuhle kakhulu. Gqirha Haug, enkosi kakhulu ngokusinika ingqiqo encinci ngemfihlo yeReich yaseJamani. 29:10.630 --> 29:16.440 Sichukuze nje phezu, ewe, kodwa bekunika umdla ukuva ngayo. 29:16.440 --> 29:24.766 Oku kuthetha ukuba ngoku uxanduva luphezu kwamaJamani ngokwawo. 29:24.766 --> 29:31.250 Kwaye amagunya alawulayo azimisele ukuva nokuxhasa ezi zinto. 29:31.250 --> 29:33.430 MH: Nokuba kunjani. Lulwam amava. 29:33.430 --> 29:40.419 Kungenjalo, impendulo ngeingazukufika ngokukhawuleza kangaka kuTrump, umzekelo, nakubameli baseRashiya. 29:40.419 --> 29:44.028 Kla.TV: Kulungile. MH: Enkosi kakhulu. Kla.TV: Ewe, akukho nto. MH: Ndingathanda ukuthi ngalo 29:44.028 --> 29:45.950 mzuzu ukuba ndikwazile ukudlulisela into ethile. 29:45.950 --> 29:54.770 Kusekumphandleni. Kusenokwenzeka ukuba kubekho udliwano-ndlebe olulandelayo apho siya kungena nzulu kancinci apha naphaya. 29:54.770 --> 29:58.048 Kuxhomekeke. Oko kunganceda. Enkosi kakhulu. 29:58.048 --> 30:00.070 Kla.TV: Kulungile. Enkosi ngokuzimisela kwakho. MH: Enkosi.