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Na o ne o tseba hore molao-motheo wa
karohano ya matla ha o sebediswe esita le

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Switzerland, naha e nang le demokerasi e tobileng?

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Na boetapele bo phahameng ka ho fetisisa ba naha bo ithiba
ho netefatsa tlhahisoleseding ka boikemelo le ka bo bona?

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Mme bo itšetlehile feela ka mokhatlo o le mong, e leng WHO?

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Demokrasi e atleha hodima molao-motheo oa bohlokoa oa karohano
ea matla. Matla ana a lokela ho shebana, ho laola le ho lokisa

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a mang ho latela tlhahisoleseling e fumanoeng ka boikemelo.

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Philipp Kruse o buile kopanong ea WHO e neng e
tšoaretsoe Winterthur ka la 1 Tlhakubele 2025 mabapi le

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kamoo demokerasi ena e seng e se ntho ea 'nete kajeno.

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Switzerland e se e ntse e laolwa ka katleho e le kgakala ke WHO.

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Liphetoho tse reriloeng tsa Melao ea Bophelo bo Botle ea Machaba
li reretsoe ho matlafatsa le ho feta matla a le mong a WHO.

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Ka mohlala, bokhoni ba Motsamaisi-Kakaretso ba ho phatlalatsa
boemo ba tšohanyetso ba bophelo bo botle ha boa lokela

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ho behelloa meeli, empa bo lokela ho atolosetsoa.
Nakong e tlang, o lokela ho khona ho etsa sena ka boikemelo.

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Ebe a ka ba a feta qeto ea sehlopha sa hae sa
litsebi, a bile a tlola maikutlo a naha e amehang.

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Mafatshe a na le nako ho fihlela ka la 19 Phupu
2025 ho kenya dingang ka melawana ya bophelo bo botle.

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Haeba sena se sa etsahale, kenyelletso e
tla etsahala ka la 19 Loetse selemong sena.

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Joale mamelang maikutlo a Kruse, ka kenyelletso e
khuts'oane e fanoang ke Urs Hans, mothehi oa

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Public Eye on Science le mohlophisi oa ketsahalo ena.

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Mme jwale ke na le thabo ya ho tsebisa Philipp Kruse.

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Ha e le hantle, o tshwana le 'motho wa
meketjana', o dula a le teng meketeng e metle.

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Mme jwale o tsebahala hohle ho phatlalla le
Yuropa; motho a ka re haufinyane ke setsebi.

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Empa ntwa ya hae e boetse e akaretsa ho
phahamisa tlhokomediso ka WHO, selekane sa sewa le

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ditataiso tsa bophelo bo botle tsa matjhaba.

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Re ntse re tlameha ho sebetsa ka thata ho
kgolisa Lekgotla la Federale hore le ka etsa qeto

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ka ho itokolla . Ho lokile, Philipp, ke wa hao.

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Kea leboha haholo, Urs ea ratehang, ka
ho hlophisa ketsahalo e 'ngoe e joalo.

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Urs ea ratehang, ena ke ketsahalo ea hau ea bohlano, ketsahalo
ea hau e kholo ea bohlano, eo ke kgonneng ho ba teng ho

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tloha Winterthur, moo tsohle li qalileng teng mathoasong a 2022.

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Kea leboha haholo, le entse
boikitlaetso bo hlollang bakeng sa rona bohle.

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Hape nka rata ho le leboha haholo ka ho etsa leeto la ho tla
mona ho ba teng kopanong ena ya coronavirus mona Switzerland.

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Mme ke labalabela haholo ho bua le ba bangata ba
lona ka hohle kamoo ho ka kgonehang kamora moo.

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Mme ka seo, re rata ho leboha ka botebo sebui se fetileng, Jürg
Vollenweider, mosebetsi-mmoho le motswalle wa

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ka ya hlomphehang, ka ho inkela nako ya ho
totobatsa ditaba tse rarahaneng tsa tsamaiso.

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Litlolo tsena tsa molao oa ts'ebetso oa machaba li le 'ngoe li ka
ba lintlha tse lekaneng ho hana melaoana ena

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ea bophelo bo botle ka ho feletseng –
Lekhotla la Federale le ne le tla tlameha ho e hana.

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E, mme jwale ke tla fetohela ditabeng
tsa bohlokwa tsa melao ena ya tsamaiso.

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Boemo ba pele bo hlalositswe: Re na le nako e behilweng ya
la 19 Phupu mabapi le melawana ya bophelo bo botle. Mebuso

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e na le nako ho fihlela ka letsatsi leo ho kenya kganyetso.

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Ka hona, Lekgotla la rona la Federale le lona le
tlameha hore ebe ka nako eo le se le phatlaladitse ho WHO

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hore le ke ke la amohela melawana ena, diphetoho tsena.

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Kakaretso ena e hlophisitsoe ke Andrea Staubli, eo e seng feela
setho sa Mokhatlo oa rona oa Free Switzerland Action Alliance,

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empa hape a phethang karolo ea bohlokoa
tlhophisong ea oona – e le 'muelli oa molao le

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moahloli oa mehleng – e hlophisitsoeng mona feela.

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Ho bohlokoa ho hopola sena ha re qala likhoeli tse setseng mona.

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Maobane feela, mokhahlelo oa monyetla oa ho nka karolo ke mekha
eohle, ho kenyeletsa le ba amehang le setjhaba, o fihlile

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pheletsong. Ena e ne e le tshebetso ya therisano, monyetla wa ho
fana ka maikutlo mabapi le melawana ena ya bophelo bo botle.

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Mme ke le mema ho sheba polelo ya Mokgatlo wa
Free Switzerland Action Alliance leqepheng la pele.

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Hape ho na le lipolelo tse ling tse fanang ka
lintlha tse qaqileng haholo ho feta kamoo ho ka khonehang

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mona. Mona, re ka ama feela lintlha tsa bohlokoahali.

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Re lebeletse hore ngangisano ea palamente mabapi le litaba
tsa bohlokoa e tla tšoareloa Palamenteng ea Switzerland

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lehlabuleng lena. Mme re batla ho susumetsa ngangisano ena.

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Haeba ho haneloa ho sa etsoe ka la 19
Phupu, melaoana ena ea bophelo bo botle e tla

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qala ho sebetsa ka la 19 Loetse selemong sena.

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Ntlha ea qalo, empa hape le mabapi le
litaba: Ho bohlokoa haholo ho hopola hore:

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Ho kenyeleditswe eng melawana ena ya bophelo bo botle ho fihlela
jwale, mme e sebeditswe jwang, e le hore re ka arola diphetoho

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tse neng di le nyenyane haholo ka dinako tse
ding, tse hlileng di hloka ho hlahlojwa ka hloko

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e kgolo le ka boiphihlelo ba molao ba babuelli?

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Mme melawana ya pele ya bophelo bo botle, e bileng
tshebetsong ka sebopeho sena ho tloha ka 2007, e ne e etelletsa

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pele ntho ya bohlokwa haholo ho Karolo ya 3, Serapa sa 1:

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Melaoana ena e tla phethahatsoa ka tlhompho e felletseng bakeng
sa seriti sa botho, litokelo tsa botho le litokoloho tsa motheo!

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E, bahlomphehi, seo se bolela hore bohle re ka ya hae re se na
matshwenyeho ebile re lokolohile, hobane ke seo

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e bileng sona ho fihlela jwale mme ke seo e
lokelang ho tswela pele ho ba sona nakong e tlang.

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Hobaneng, hobaneng re ntse re tshwenyehile? Hantle, hobane re
sheba tshebediso ya yona e totobetseng dilemong tsa moraorao.

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Melaoana ea bophelo bo botle e ile ea
sebelisoa joang – ho sa tsotellehe melao-motheo ena?

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Mme ke tlameha ho e hlahloba ka bokgutshwane, jwalo ka 'muelli
wa molao ya entseng ditshebetso tsena kaofela ke le mong.

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Ho ne ho na le tlhokahalo ena ea limaske bakeng sa
bana, 'me ka holim'a tsohle, ho ne ho se na mekhelo.

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Ke ne ke e-na le ngoana ea nang le bokgoni bo
fokolitsoeng ba ho monya oksijene. E ne e lula e le ho

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liphesente tse 80 feela . Ha e a ka ea fumana tokollo le eona.

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Mme dingaka tseo tse neng di fana ka ditifikeiti tsa
tokollo maemong a jwalo a nang le mabaka a utlwahalang, di ile

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tsa hloriswa. Di ile tsa kenngwa ditshekong tsa botlokotsebe.

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Mme jwalo ka ha bohle le tseba, mohlala, Ngaka
Andreas Heisler – ka lehlohonolo o lokollotswe diqosong

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haufinyane, ka toka, empa kamora ditsheko tse telele.

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Mme e ntse e le moreki wa ka le kajeno, eo laesense ya hae ya ho
sebetsa e hlakotsweng qetellong ya Mphalane – e hlakotsweng

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selemong se fetileng – karolo e nngwe e le
hobane o fane ka setifikeiti sa tokollo ya

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maske bakeng sa ngwanana ya dilemo tse 14.

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Kahoo ho ne ho se na mekhelo mona. Eaba ho latela
liketso tse sehlōhō tsa mapolesa – re tseba

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tsohle ka seo, e leng ntho e makatsang ka ho fetisisa.

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Ho bile le liteko tse ngata tsa sechaba tse pheta-phetoang
likolong, haholo-holo likolong tsa mathomo. Mona, Maihof,

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ketsahalo ena e tla ngoloa nalaneng e mpe ea Switzerland.

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Ka la 29 Pherekhong 2021 – hantle feela ha tlhokahalo ea ho roala
limaske e ne e qala ho phethahatsoa hohle – bana ba 374 ba ile ba

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hlahlojoa ka qobello sekolong sa Maihof se
Lucerne hobane ngoana e mong o ne a fumanoe a na le

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tshwaetso nakong ea liteko tsena tse tloaelehileng.

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Mme jwale, taba ke ena: ba e entse jwang?

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Ka Labohlano hoseng, ho ile ha romelwa imeile malapeng a
batswadi e reng, "E, re tla etsa diteko tsena thapama."

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E tlameha ho etswa ka mabaka ana. Ka
kopo re tsebise haeba o sa dumellane.

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E, batsoali ba bangata ha baa ka ba
bona imeile. Ba ne ba le mosebetsing.

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Mme se ileng sa etsahala ka nako eo e bile hore –
ke ile ka fumana mohala hamorao ho tsoa ho tichere.

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O ile a ntetsetsa a lla hobane o ne a tlamehile ho
ema le sehlopha sa hae sa sekolo ka pela holo ea

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lipapali – kapa a ema ka pela phaposi ea tlhahlobo.

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Mme ho tloha ka phaposing ho se ho ne ho
utlwahala modumo wa bana ba lla, hobane le bona

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ba ne ba hlekefeditswe ka dikgoka. Ka dikgoka!

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Mme le yena o ile a tlameha ho thusa ho
laola bana ba neng ba sa batle ho hlahlojwa.

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Na seriti se se nang meeli sa batho se ile sa hlomphuoa mona?

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Hantle, mme kaofela ha rona re tseba se ileng sa
etsahalla beng ba reschorente ea Walliserkanne.

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Ba ile ba tshwarwa ka ts'ebetso e kgolo ya
sepolesa le tshebediso e kgolo ya matla.

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Mme – tshwarelo, o ka bona mona – sebakeng sa ho etela
moreki wa ka reschorenteng ya hae, ke ile ka tlameha ho mo

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etela tjhankaneng. Seo e ne e le ka la 31 Mphalane 2021.

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Kapa David Gym, moo o ka bonang sebaka sa ho chenchela.

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Mona re bona e mong oa mapolesa a mahlano sebakeng sa
ho apara, ea bileng a ntse a ntša batho ka sauneng.

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Nka rata feela ho beha sena moelelong oa
seriti se sa lekanyetsoang sa batho, seo ho thoeng

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se se se kentsoe melaong ea bophelo bo botle.

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Mme nnete, jwalo ka ha re tseba, e ne e se kotsi hoo ho
neng ho ka dumellwa ho sebedisa mekgwa ena ya sesole.

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Ke lona semelo. Hape re lokela ho hlokomela hore molao-motheo
oa mantlha oa boipuso ba naha o tiisitsoe melaong-motheong.

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Kahoo, Karolo ea 3, serapa sa 4 sa Melao ea
Machaba ea Bophelo bo Botle e tiisa sena.

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Mebuso e ikemetse mme e ka sebedisa boipuso ba yona.

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Empa Lekgotla la rona la Federale le sebedisitse boipuso ba lona
ho isa bohōleng bofe ha ho tluwa, ka mohlala,

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tabeng ya ho fedisa boemo ba tsietsi, maemo
a sa tlwaelehang, ke hore, boemo ba tsietsi?

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Ha ho so kgutlelwe boemong bo
tlwaelehileng, empa ho kgutletsoe boemong bo ikgethang.

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Mme moqolotsi wa ditaba wa thelevishene ya
Switzerland o ile a botsa ka nepo:

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"Hobaneng re sa kgutlele boemong bo tlwaelehileng?"

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Mme karabo e tswang ho Mopresidente wa Kopanelo
ya Switzerland, Simonetta Sommaruga ka nako eo,

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e bile: "Re ke ke ra iketsetsa qeto eo feela."

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E 'ngoe ea lihlooho ke WHO, e
hlalosang boemo bo joalo ba tšohanyetso.

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Kahoo, a re hlaloseng hantle: ha re
na boipuso. Ke WHO e etsang qeto.

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Le mona, ha re na boipuso: Mopresidente ea latelang oa
Federale, Ignazio Cassis, lebaleng la lipuisano, ha a araba

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potso e tsoang ho Sandro Protz, ea ileng a botsa ka nepo:

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Ho tla jwang hore re bale koranteng hore batho ba bangata le ho
feta ba phatlalatswa e le mafu a coronavirus ke dipetlele, empa

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ha e le hantle ba kenngwa sepetlele ka lebaka
la kotsi ya koloi, kotsi ya tseleng kapa

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dikotsi tse ding, mme ke ka lebaka leo ba shwang?

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Mme mona ho ngotswe – Mopresidente wa
Federale o re: "E, ho lokile. WHO e entse jwalo."

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Sefubeng sa mafu, dinaha tsohle di tlameha ho
etsa tlhahlobo ena ho ya ka molao o tshwanang.

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Mme seo se re hopotsa kaofela ka Shakespeare, ya itseng:
"Leha sena e le bohlanya, empa ho na le mokgwa ho sona."

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Ke mokhoa oo ho sebelisoang mona.
Bothoto bo feletseng. Masepa a feletseng.

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Leha e le bohlanya, ho na le mokgwa ho bona. Kahoo,
bonyane ho na le mokgwa ho sona. Kahoo, ha feela ho na le

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mokgwa ho sona, ntho e nngwe le e nngwe e a dumellwa.

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Mme le makgotla a dinyewe ha a betere. Mona, ka bokgutshwane – ke
a tseba hore ke se ke buile sena... ke mpa feela ke

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ikgopotsa ka sona nako le nako – empa makgotla a dinyewe –
jwaloka rekoto e robehileng – a nkarohantse le bareki ba ka ka:

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Monghadi Kruse, o a tseba hore ha sewa se ntse se
tswela pele, ba boholong ba tlameha ho sebedisa

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kahlolo e kgolo, mme ba lokela ho dumellwa ho etsa jwalo.

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Mme ha feela ba boholong ba latela ditlhahiso tsa WHO,
rona re le makgotla a ditsheko re ke ke ra phethola seo.

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Kahoo, seo se bolela hore nakong ena e telele haholo ya sewa, seo
e neng e batla e le sewa sa ka ho sa feleng – ho tloha

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ka la 31 Pherekhong 2020 ho fihlela ka la 5 Motsheanong
2023 – re ne re na le feela boikgethelo bo feletseng mona.

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Mme hodima motheo ona o sa reroang, tlhahlobo e
nngwe kapa tokiso e ile ya tlohelwa – ka mabaka ana.

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E, ha ho eso ka ho netefatsoa ka
boikemelo, esita le ke Paramente.

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Naheng ea Switzerland, re na le tsamaiso eo ho eona Paramente
ea Switzerland e leng bolaoli bo phahameng ka ho fetisisa

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naheng – hammoho le baahi ba eona ba ikemetseng, ehlile.

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Mme le bona ha ba so etse mosebetsi wa ho beha
leihlo kapa wa ho okamela ho fihlela kajeno.

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Re le komiti ya babuelli ba molao, eo ke e thehileng mmoho le
basebetsimmoho ba mmalwa, re ntse re kopa

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dipaleamende kgafetsa ho tloha ka Tshitwe 2021 hore di
sebetsane le taba ena hantle mme di felise sewa sena.

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Mehato e tlameha ho emisoa mme tlhahlobo e tlameha ho etsoa.

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Mme karabo eo re e fumaneng e bile, "Ee,
re ka etsa seo feela ha sewa se fedile."

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Kahoo, batho ba tšepa ka bofofu matla ohle le tsebo
eohle ea WHO. Seo, joalokaha ke boletse, ke qalo.

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Mme boemo bohle bo mpefatswa ke taba, e seng e boletsoe ke
mosebetsi-mmoho le nna ya hlomphehang Jürg

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Vollenweider, ya hore naheng ya Switzerland makgotla a
ditsheko le balaodi ba tlamilwe ke molao wa matjhaba.

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Mme haeba o dumela hore ditshisinyo tsa WHO di emela se tshwanang
le tekanyetso ya mokgwa o motle ka ho fetisisa wa tshebetso, ke

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hore, ha e le hantle, ntho e molemo ka ho
fetisisa e ka etswang le seo se lokelang ho etswa

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maemong a jwalo, jwale ho tla ba tlamo ho di sebedisa.

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Ke boemo bo teng ho fihlela jwale. Mme a re
se lebale: ho na le Karolo ya 42 e batlang e

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le kotsi molaong wa motheo wa hajwale. E re:

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Mekgwa ya bophelo bo botle e nkuweng ho latela melawana ena
ya bophelo bo botle e tlameha ho qalwa le ho phethelwa ntle

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le tieho, mme e sebediswe ka pepeneneng le ntle le kgethollo.

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Kahoo seo se se se le moo ka hare mme se tiisitswe, mme ho
sebedisitswe jwalo. Ee, hantle, ke o kopa, iketsetse kahlolo.

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Re ka tšepa hakae kannete lengolo lena la Melao
ea Machaba ea Bophelo Bo botle nakong e tlang?

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Kahoo hape, 'me qetellong empa e le ea
bohlokoa, re boetse re na le linyeoe tsa hajoale,

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'ngoe ea tsona ke e boletse, e leng Ngaka Dhani.

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O na le kaofela tse tharo – o fane ka mangolo feela linyeoeng
tse tharo, 'ngoe ea tsona ke e boletse, lengolo la maske.

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Ditshwanelong tse ding tse pedi, kamora
tlhahlobo e tebileng , diteko tsa madi jwalo-jwalo,

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le dihora tse mmalwa tsa tlhahlobo, o ile a re:

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Maemong a hao a ikhethang, ente e ka ba kotsi
ka mabaka a bongaka. Ke o lokolla ho entoa.

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Sena se entse hore Ofisi ea Bophelo bo Botle ea Kantone ea Zurich
e mo qose ka sepheo sa botlokotsebe – e mo

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qose ka sepheo sa botlokotsebe – 'me e re
o beha bophelo bo botle ba sechaba kotsing.

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Hona ke kajeno, ha se nako e fetileng e
lefifi moo re neng re sa tsebe hantle.

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Ke boemo bo teng. Mme ke hobaneng ke
pheta-pheta taba ena ka tieo hakana?

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Ke feela ho o bontša hore leha e le tiiso e nyenyane
feela, kapa esita le ho matlafatsa, ho busetsa se fetileng

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sena bokamosong 'me ho tla mpefatsa boemo bohle feela.

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Mme ke kamoo taba ena kaofela e lokelang ho nkuoa kateng.
Le rona Jeremane ha re na tlhahlobo-bocha, leha tsohle li

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se li le hlake nako e telele ka lebaka la melaoana ea RKI.

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Mme ke rata ho supa ntho e lokelang ho etsa hore setho se
seng le se seng sa paramente ya Switzerland se nahane ka botebo.

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Le pele ho Trump, le pele ho Trump, komitinyana ea Ntlo ea
Baemeli, ke hore, Ntlo ea Baemeli ea US, e phatlalalitse tlaleho

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ea eona ea ho qetela ka la 4 Tšitoe 2024 kamora lilemo tse ka
bang peli tsa lipatlisiso – ka mantsoe a mang, ba

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phethile mesebetsi ea bona ea lipatlisiso – lipatlisiso tsena
kaofela li phatlalalitsoe 'me li ka fumaneha inthaneteng.

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Mme moo, leqepheng la boraro, ho boletse ka ho hlaka hore ho
kwalwa ha dikolo hona le mehato yohle e nketsoeng e ne e

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susumetswa feela ke dipolotiki mme e se na
motheo wa bongaka kapa wa saense ho hang, le hore

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mehato eo e ne e le mpe ho feta vaerase ka boyona.

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Ke khothaletsa hore le bale sena, empa ka hodima tsohle,
ke khothaletsa hore ditho tsohle tsa Palamente di se bale.

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Empa Lekgotla la Federale le reng ka
tokiso ena ya melawana ya bophelo bo botle?

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O re tsena ke liphetoho tse nyenyane feela tsa tekheniki, ha ho
hlokahale lichelete tse eketsehileng, ha ho

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hlokahale liphetoho molaong, mme ka sebele
ha ho na thibelo ea boipuso ba Switzerland.

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Ke ka lebaka leo ho se nang tlhokahalo ea hore
batho ba Switzerland ba be le lentsoe, 'me ka

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nepo, esita le hore Paramente e be le lentsoe.

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Maikutlo a khahlanong ke afe? Mme mona hape:

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Ka kopo, sheba leqephe la lapeng la "Aktionsbündnis Freie
Schweiz" (Mokhatlo oa Liketso bakeng sa Switzerland e

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Lokolohileng) ho bona lipolelo le likonsarete tsa rona tse
qaqileng haholo tseo re li behileng moo,

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haholo-holo tse tsoang ho "Aktionsbündnis Freie
Schweiz" ka boeona, moo re kenang ka botebo.

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Ka hona, ho akaretsa: Re ka, ebile
re tlameha ho fihlela qeto ea hore:

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Diphetoho tsena tsa IGC di tiisa le ho
mpefatsa boemo ba molao ba ha jwale, ho senya

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setjhaba empa ho tswela indasteri ya meriana molemo.

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Mme taba ena kaofela e na le matšoao a puso e hatellang.
Ho bonolo joalo feela. Mme re bontšitse sena ka botlalo.

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Ha e le hantle ke lenaneo la ho felisa
litekanyetso tsohle tsa boleng ka kahlolo ea sesole.

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Taba ena kaofela e bontša monahano oa
sesole. Ho busa boemo ba tšohanyetso bo feletseng.

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Ntho tsohle li lumelletsoe, ho kenyeletsa le litumello
tsa tšohanyetso ntle le liteko life kapa life tsa polokeho.

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Ha ho na mekgwa ya tokiso. Ka hona, hang ha boemo bo jwalo ba
tshohanyetso bo phatlaladitswe, ha ho na mokgwa wa ho lokisa.

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Sena sohle, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, se
kgahlanong le dithahasello tsa setjhaba.

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Mme oo ke moralo wa boikgethelo ba puso ya bohatelli o sa
tsamaelaneng ho hang le kutlwisiso ya rona ya mmuso – esita

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le melawana e teng ya bophelo bo botle e se e na le mathata.

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Mme hodima motheo ona, re bona dintlha tsa bohlokwahadi mona. Ke
tse nne ho tse hlano. Ke tla fihla ho ya bohlano ka motsotsoana.

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Ntlha ea pele, motho o hloka feela
ho sheba tse fetileng hore a tsebe:

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Aha, boikgethelo le bokgoni ba Motsamaisi-Kakaretso ba ho
phatlalatsa maemo a tshohanyetso a bophelo ha di thibelwe,

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kapa, ho latela maiphihlelo a fetileng, ho bewa tlasa
mokgwa wa tokiso, empa ho fapana le hoo, di ntse di atoloswa.

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A ka etsa sena a le mong. A ka ba a feta qeto ea
sehlopha sa hae sa litsebi, le maikutlo a naha e amehang.

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Eo ke ntlha ea pele. Sena se baka tšabo ea hore re tla
boela re ba le mafu a seoa a sa laoleheng le a telele.

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Ntlha ea bobeli ke ena: Motsamaisi-Kakaretso a
ka phatlalatsa hore na ke lihlahisoa life tseo

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WHO e li nkang li le bohlokoa ho loantša seoa.

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Joale ak'u nahane ka naha e reng, "Re
tla etsa lintho ka tsela e fapaneng."

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Ebe tlhahisoleseding e tla hang-hang: Emela
motsotsoana, ba re, mohlala, Switzerland ke tšokelo

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lefatšeng ka bophara hobane ha e sebelise lihlahisoa tsena.

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Ka bokhutšoanyane, ke matla a nnete le hantle monahano ona oa
litekanyetso tsa mekhoa e metle ka ho fetisisa o seng o sebetsa

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mona, ntle le hore o amahanngoe le bolaoli bofe kapa bofe,
haholo-holo bolaoli ba sesole. Empa emela ntlha ea ho qetela.

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Ebe ho na le mokhoa oa lichelete. Eo ke taba e kholo.

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Empa ka kakaretso, ho tlameha ho bolelwe hore ke pono ya WHO le
dinaha tse ka sehloohong tse tsamaisang – hore dinaha tse

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futsanehileng, dinaha tsa Borwa, Borwa ba lefatshe, haholoholo
Afrika – di tlameha ho tshehetswa ka ditjhelete, hore di tlameha

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ho tshehetswa ka tsebo le ditshebeletso tsa tlhahiso e le
hore le tsona di ka rua molemo mekento le dintho tse entelang.

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Sena se bolela hore nakong e tlang re tla tlameha ho
lefa eseng feela bakeng sa liente tse ngata haholo tseo

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re li rekileng, empa hape le bakeng sa linaha tse ling.

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Ka tsela, maobane kapa maobane a pele ho maobane, ho
phatlalalitsoe tlaleho e bolelang hore Lekhotla la Federale la

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Switzerland le ntse le hana ho senola lipalo-palo tse nepahetseng
tsa lichelete tsa hore na le sebelisitse bokae linthong

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tse thehiloeng ho mRNA, ho sa tsotellehe lipotso tsa paramente.

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Seo ha se amohelehe ho hang. Ditho tsohle tsa
paramente di lokela ho nka kgato. Lekgotla

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la Federale le tlameha ho senola dipalo tsena.

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Re lefile bokae bakeng sa ntho ena
e se nang thuso, e se nang boleng?

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Leha ho le joalo, ha se ntho e nang le melemo efe kapa efe ea
bongaka e tsebahalang; ho fapana le hoo, joalokaha re tla utloa.

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E, mme ho na le lenane le feletseng la boitlamo bo eketsehileng –
tlasa sehlooho sa bokgoni ba mantlha, boitlamo ba mantlha kapa

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boitlamo ba motheo – bo sebetsang eseng feela boemong ba mmuso
o moholo, empa hape le boemong ba dikantone le ba bomasepala.

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Mme moo Lekgotla la Federale le bolelang
feela hore, e, re ka kgona ho sebetsana le seo

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habonolo ka mehlodi e teng eo re nang le yona.

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Joale, ntlha e kotsi ka ho fetisisa ke efe? Jürg
Vollenweider o se a hlalositse le ho hlalosa sena hantle haholo.

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Taba ena e mabapi le boipuso hodima tlhahisoleseding le tlhaloso.

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E patiloe qetellong-qetellong ea tatellano ea nako – ha ke re
qetellong, mona ke bolela le tokomane, ho Sehlomathiso sa 1,

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Sehlomathiso sa 1, karolong ea Bokhoni ba Motheo, e sa
bonahaleng, o ne o ke ke oa e hlokomela, mantsoeng a

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reng 'khokahano ea likotsi', ho kenyeletsa le ho
sebetsana le tlhahisoleseding e fosahetseng le ea thetso.

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Jürg Vollenweider o se a hlalositse hantle haholo hore ha rea
lokela ho itšetleha ka sebopeho sena se ka holimo ka tsela

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efe kapa efe, empa ehlile re tlameha ho khutlela morao nalaneng
ea hore na sebopeho sena se bile teng joang ha re se toloka.

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Mme ka hodima tsohle, re tlameha ho lumela
hore sena esale e le nnete ka nako e telele.

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Taolo ena, boipuso bona ba tlhahisoleseding
ba WHO, e se e sebedisitswe nako e

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telele, mme re na le mehlala e sa feleng ya yona.

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Ho qala ka tlhahisoleseding yohle mabapi le
kotsi ya maemo a sewa le seo re lokelang ho se etsa.

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Empa mona, nka rata ho supa ka bokgutshwane hore esale
ka Hlakola 2020, WHO e ile ya kopanya dikhamphani

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tsohle tse kgolo tsa mecha ya setjhaba le tsa thekenoloji.

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O ne a le liofising tsa Facebook, a bitsa bohle moo mme a re,
'Ho lokile, melao ke ena. Re tlo etsa konteraka hona joale.'

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Le ikemiseditse ho netefatsa hore ha ho na
tlhahisoleseding e nngwe ntle le eo re faneng

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ka yona e fumanehang ditshebeletsong tsa lona.

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Mme dikopano tsena di ile tsa phetwa kgwedi le kgwedi,
inthaneteng, di sa tlhole di etswa ka seqo. Re bua ka eng?

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Ho na le Google, Facebook, Amazon, YouTube, Instagram, lenane
lohle la diforamo tse ka bang 50 tsa mecha ea litaba

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ea sechaba – ka mantsoe a mang, ha e le hantle ke
lefatše lohle la mecha ea litaba ea sechaba ea inthaneteng.

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Sena se akaretsitsoe ka bokhabane ke bo-ramahlale. Mang kapa
mang ea thahasellang mohloli o amohelehile ho ikopanya le 'na.

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Ee, mme ke hobaneng seo se tshosa hakaalo?

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Pele ho tsohle, ehlile, rea tseba hore tokoloho ea ho itlhalosa,
tokoloho ea tlhahisoleseling le tokoloho ea thuto ke metheo ea

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motheo e re nolofalletsang re le baahi ho sebetsa ka
har'a demokrasi, empa hape e nolofalletsa lipolotiki le

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ts'ebetso ea ho etsa liqeto tsa lipolotiki ho sebetsa.

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Le hore re tle re etse qeto e nang le tsebo ka bophelo ba rona.

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Seo se se sebe ka ho lekana ebile
se se se hlalositswe hantle haholo.

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Leha ho le jwalo, hape e a thetsa
haholo-holo, kapa e batla e amana, kapa ho e-na le hoo e

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amana, bakeng sa ho etsa diqeto ka demokrasi.

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Re bone kgetho ena. Re ile ra dumellwa
ho kgetha hararo naheng ya Switzerland.

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Re ne re dumelletswe ho iketsetsa kgetho ka molao wa COVID-19.
Mme kamehla re ne re fumana sephetho se batlang se tshwana.

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40% e hanne molao ona oa COVID-19, ke 40%
feela, hoo e ka bang joalo, 'me 60% ea o amohela.

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E, haeba motheo oa tlhahlobo o 'nileng oa hlahisoa
sechabeng o thehiloe kamehla marabeng a mashano, joale baahi ba

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ke ke ba etsa qeto e nepahetseng lebokoseng la likhetho.

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Empa ha se hoo feela. Re na le kotsi – ho hlakile –
bakeng sa tshebetso ya naha yohle e theilweng molaotheong.

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Re ntse re phela demokerasing e thehilweng
hodima molaotheo wa motheo wa karohano ya matla.

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Mme matla ana a lokela ho shebana, ho
laolana, le ho lokisanang, ho itshetlehilwe

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hodima tlhahisoleseding e fumanweng ka boikemelo.

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Mme ha o silafatsa tsamaiso ena mme o e haha botjha hodima motheo
wa mohlodi o le mong wa tlhahisoleseding o

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laolang hore na ke eng nnete le hore na ke eng
leshano, o silafatsa tsamaiso yohle ya naha.

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Ebe ho etsahala feela hore Paramente e re,
che, ha re ka ke ra netefatsa seo, hobane WHO e

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ntse e phatlalatsa hore ke sewa sa lefatshe.

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Kapa he, ho etsahala hore makgotla
ohle a re qose nna le bakudi ba ka ka:

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Re maswabi, empa re ntse re le hara sewa, mme ba
boholong ba latetse ditlhahiso tsa WHO, jwalo-jwalo.

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Ka mantsoe a mang, re laoloa ka katleho re le hole.

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E laoloa hole ke WHO, ntle le ho kenya letsoho ha balaoli ba
sesole, empa feela hobane baetapele ba rona ba phahameng ba mmuso

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ka boithaopo baa qoba ho hlahloba tlhahisoleseding ka bo bona, ka
boikemelo le ka boikgapo, mme ba amohela

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mohopolo o fosahetseng oa hore WHO e ke ke ea fosa,
e ke ke ea etsa phoso le hore e lula e nepile.

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Mme re a tseba hore ha ho na motho lefatšeng lohle ea sa
foseng, ea sa etseng liphoso le ea lulang a nepile. Kea leboha.

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Sena ha se amohelehe ho hang mme se tlameha ho hanelwa ka matla
a maholo ka ho fetisisa, ho latela boemo ba molao ba ha jwale.

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E, tsohle tseo ha li ntse li sa nkanele, ha ho nahanoa ka litlolo
tsa molao tse sehloho tse qetellong li entsoeng khahlanong le

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sechaba ka ho etsa hore lona, bohle ba rona, le lumele
kotsing e neng e se eo, le ho rekisa pheko e neng e sa hlokahale

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haholo, e se nang khetho e 'ngoe, empa e ne e se kotsi ho hang.

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Ena ke thetso ea sechaba kaofela.

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Mme hobaneng seo se amana le taba e jwalo...
Hobaneng seo e le bohlokwa hakaalo? Eya, ho bonolo haholo.

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Re sebetsana le ntho eo bonyane e
lokelang ho hlalosoa e le ea liteko.

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Ho ne ho se ya neng a tseba esale pele hore na ho na le eng ka
hare ho tsona, mme ho ne ho se ya neng a tseba esale

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pele hore na dintho tsena tse theilweng hodima mRNA di tla
ba le phello efe. Ena ke mohlala o ka sehloohong wa teko.

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Mme bakeng sa boemo bo jwalo, re na le dipehelo tse tlamang ka
bobedi molaong wa matjhaba le Molaotheong wa rona wa

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Federale, Karolo ya 10, serapa sa 3, ka hara moralo wa molao
wa matjhaba le ka hara moralo wa thibelo ya tlhokofatso.

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Mme sena se hlalositswe ka bokgabane mona Selekaneng
sa Matjhaba sa Ditokelo tsa Botho le tsa Sepolotiki.

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Hona ke molao wa matjhaba o tlamang ka ho feletseng, o
sebetsang hape maemong a tsietsi ya setjhaba e

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sokelang bophelo ba setjhaba mme e phatlaladitswe ka molao.

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Ha ho na mekhelo molaong ona oa motheo. Ha ho motho
ea ka etsetsoang liteko tsa bongaka kapa tsa

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saense ntle le tumello ea hae ea boithaopo, le ka mohla.

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Mme mebuso, dipalamente le makgotla a dinyewe di ile tsa e
dumella leha ho le jwalo – tsa e dumella leha ho le jwalo.

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Ho 'na, ke temoho e kholo ka ho fetisisa, e tšosang
ka ho fetisisa, e tsoang lilemong tsena tsohle tsa "ho

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se thabe", lilemong tsena tsa tlokotsi tlas'a Corona.

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Hore temohisiso e jwalo ya motheo, eo qetellong e leng ditholwana
tsa Ntwa ya Bobedi ya Lefatshe mme e lokelang ho shejwa ka kamano

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le Molao wa Nuremberg, e haneha feela ntle le qeaqeo ka
monyetla wa pele, hobane feela bahlahisi ba mmalwa ba

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meriana ba batla ho rekisa dihlahiswa tsa bona tsa ente.

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Re tla qetella re le hokae haeba re tswela pele ho
dumella sena mme re hloleha ho se sebetsana le sona?

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Ke, ke tlolo ea molao khahlanong le botho e etsahetseng.

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Ke tlolo ea molao khahlanong le botho e entsoeng ke WHO, e leng
eona, khahlanong le kahlolo ea eona e molemo, e re lebisitseng ho

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lumela kotsing e neng e le sieo ho hang, 'me e ntse e tsoela pele
ho etsa joalo ho fihlela kajeno, le eona e

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re kholisa hore ha ho na khetho e 'ngoe ntle
le lihlahisoa tse kotsi le tse kotsi haholo.

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Mme ka lebaka leo feela, re
tlameha ho hula tshepo ya rona ho WHO.

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Ka bokgutshwanyane, re ka lebella eng ho tswa
diphetohong tsena tsa Melawana ya Matjhaba ya Bophelo bo Botle?

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Ke lenaneo la ho fedisa ka boikhethelo litekanyetso tsohle
tsa boleng, lekaleng la meriana le lekaleng la demokrasi.

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Ke lenaneo le etseditsweng ho thetsa setjhaba ka
thato ya lona. Ke lenaneo le etseditsweng ho

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qobella dithahasello tsa meriana ka thato ya lona.

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Lenaneo le dumellang hore karohano ya matla a mmuso, e leng
tshireletso ya ditokelo tsa motheo, e fediswe ka tshohanyetso, ho

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etsa hore e bonahale e le molaong, ka dithibelo tse fetisisang
hodima boipuso le boikemelo, ka dikotsi tse

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sa lekanngweng bophelong le moruong,
esita le ditlolo tsa molao kgahlanong le botho.

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Ka mantsoe a mang, ha e tsamaisane ho
hang le tsamaiso ea molao oa motheo oa rona.

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Re tlameha ho hana sena mme re re: Ema!
Hantle-ntle, mme seo se ntlisa qetellong.

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Ke nahana hore re hloka mekgwa ya taolo, re hloka
hore WHO e ikarabelle, re hloka ditsheko le ditshitsiso.

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Mme re tlameha ho fedisa mohopolo o siilweng ke nako wa
hore le batho bana ba lokela ho fuwa tshireletso e feletseng.

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Ka lebaka lena, ke khothaletsa hore o saene
boipiletso ba mabedi e le kgato ya hanghang. Ho na le

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boipiletso ba mabedi bo potolohang Switzerland.

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Ho se ho na le ea batlang ho sebetsana le bothata
motso-tsong 'me a tlohele Mokhatlo oa Lefatše oa Bophelo.

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Pelo ea ka e otla ka tlhaho bakeng sa
boipiletso bona, bo hlophisitsoeng ka bokhabane ke EDU.

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Mme rona, re le Mokgatlo wa Free Switzerland Action Alliance, re
kopa ho le botsa: haeba le etsa qeto ya ho nka kgato kamora

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seboka sena, ka kopo etelang websaete ya rona mme le
netefatse hore le saena boipiletso bona, boo le ka bo saenang le

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le Jeremane kapa naheng efe kapa efe. Ke taba feela ya hore:

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Lekgotla la Federale le lokela ho hana
diphetoho tsena. Sena se tla re fa nako bakeng sa

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mehato yohle e latelang. Mme ke phethela ka hoo.

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Kea leboha haholo. Re tla thabela ho
buisana ka ho tsoa ho WHO nakong e 'ngoe.

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Hobane, jwalo ka ha Gorbachev a se a boletse,
re itokiseditse ho ithuta ho tswa nalaneng.

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Re se re ithutile ho tsoa nalaneng khale, 'me ha re
batle ho qobelloa ho e pheta ka tsela efe kapa efe.

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Ke leboha haholo ka tlhokomelo ya lona.