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Ingabe wawazi ukuthi umgomo wokwahlukanisa amandla awugcwaliseki
ngisho naseSwitzerland, izwe eline-demokhrasi eqondile?

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Ingabe ubuholi obuphezulu besifundazwe buyigwema
ukuqinisekisa ulwazi ngokuzimela nangokwabo?

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Futhi kuthembele kuphela enhlanganweni eyodwa, i-WHO?

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Idemokhrasi iyathuthuka ngomgomo oyisisekelo wokwahlukaniswa
kwamandla. Lawa mandla kufanele ahlolisise, alawule futhi alungise

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omunye nomunye ngokususelwa kulwazi olutholwe ngokuzimela.

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UPhilipp Kruse ukhulume engqungqutheleni
ye-WHO eWinterthur ngomhlaka 1 Mashi 2025

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ngokuthi le democrasi isingasiyona iqiniso namuhla.

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ISwitzerland isivele ilawulwa ngempumelelo kude yi-WHO.

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Izichibiyelo ezihleliwe kuMthetho Wezempilo
Womhlaba Wonke zihloselwe ukuqinisa

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ngokwengeziwe igunya elilodwa le-WHO kulesi sikhala.

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Isibonelo, ikhono loMqondisi-Jikelele lokumemezela isimo
esiphuthumayo kwezempilo akufanele

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sincishiswe, kodwa kufanele sandiswe. Esikhathini
esizayo, kufanele akwazi ukwenza lokhu ngokuzimela.

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Wayengakwazi ngaleso sikhathi ngisho nokudlula iphaneli
yakhe yochwepheshe nokudlula umbono wezwe elithintekayo.

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Amakhaya anesikhathi kuze kube ngomhlaka 19
Julayi 2025 ukufaka izikhalazo ngemithetho yezempilo.

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Uma lokhu kungenzeki, ukwethulwa
kuzokwenzeka mhla ziyi-19 kuSepthemba kulo nyaka.

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Manje lalela amazwana kaKruse, ngokwethulwa okufushane kuka-Urs
Hans, umsunguli we-Public Eye on Science nomhleli womcimbi.

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Futhi manje nginokuthokoza ukumemezela uPhilipp Kruse.

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Empeleni ufana 'nokubonakala kwakhe njengobuso
obudala'; uhlala ekhona ezikhathini ezinhle.

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Futhi manje waziwa kulo lonke
elaseYurophu; kungasho maduze ukuthi uyisazi.

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Kodwa impi yakhe iphinde ihloswe ngokuvusa
ukuqwashisa ngokumelene ne-WHO, isivumelwano sobhubhane

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kanye nemihlahlandlela yezempilo yamazwe ngamazwe.

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Kusadingeka sisebenze kanzima ukuze
siqinisekise iKhonsili Kazwelonke ukuthi inganquma

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ngokuphuma . Kulungile, Philipp, unendawo yokukhuluma.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu, Urs
othandekayo, ngokuhlela omunye umcimbi onjalo.

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Urs othandekayo, lo ngumcimbi wakho wesihlanu, umcimbi
wakho omkhulu wesihlanu engikwazile ukuwuhambela kusukela

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eWinterthur, lapho konke kwaqala khona ekuqaleni kuka-2022.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu, wenze umzamo omangalisayo kithi sonke.

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Ngiphinde ngibonge kakhulu ngokwenza uhambo ukuze ube lapha
ukuze ujoyine lesi simpoziyam se-coronavirus eSwitzerland.

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Futhi ngibheke ngabomvu ukukhuluma nabantu
abaningi ngangokunokwenzeka ngemva kwalokho.

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Futhi ngalokho, sifisa ukuveza ukubonga kwethu okujulile
kumkhulumi wangaphambilini, uJürg Vollenweider,

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osebenza naye engimhloniphayo nomngane wami, ngokuzikhandla
kwakhe ekugqamisa lezi zindaba eziyinkimbinkimbi zenqubo.

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Lezi zokwephulwa komthetho wamazwe omhlaba wezinqubo kuphela
zazizoba yizizathu ezanele zokuphika ngokuphelele le migomo

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yezempilo – iKhonsili Yefederali yayizophoqeleka ukuyiphika.

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Yebo, manje ngizogxila ezindabeni
eziyinhloko zale mithetho yenqubo.

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Isimo sokuqala sichazwe: Sinesikhathi sokugcina
mhlaka 19 Julayi mayelana nemithetho yezempilo.

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Izifundazwe zinoze kuya kuleyo nsuku ukufaka ukuphikisa.

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Ngakho-ke iKhonsili yethu Kazwelonke kumele nayo yayisazise i-WHO
ngaleso sikhathi ukuthi ngeke yamukele le migomo nemibandela.

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Nansi isifinyezo esihlanganiswe ngu-Andrea Staubli,
ongengowomunye wamalungu e-Action Alliance for a Free Switzerland

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kuphela, kodwa futhi odlala indima ebalulekile ekuhleleni kwayo
– ungummeli futhi owayengumahluleli – esihlanganiswe lapha nje.

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Kubalulekile ukukukhumbula lokhu
njengoba siqala izinyanga ezisele lapha.

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Izolo nje, nosuku olwedlule, isigaba sokubamba iqhaza okungenzeka
kwazo zonke izinhlangothi, kuhlanganise nabathintekayo

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kithi, umphakathi jikelele, siphelile. Lena kwakuwumkhankaso
wokubonisana, ithuba lokufaka amazwana ngale migomo yezempilo.

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Futhi ngiyakumema ukuthi ubheke isitatimende
se-Free Switzerland Action Alliance ekhasini lasekhaya.

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Futhi kukhona ezinye izitatimende ezingenela
imininingwane eminingi kakhulu kunaleyo engafezeka lapha.

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Lapha, singathinta kuphela amaphuzu abaluleke kakhulu.

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Silindele ukuthi ingxoxo yezindaba
ezisemqoka ePhalamende laseSwitzerland ibanjwe

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kulehlobo. Futhi sifuna ukuthonya le ngxoxo.

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Uma ukwenqatshwa kungakwenziwa ngo-19 Julayi, le migomo
yezempilo izoqala ukusebenza ngo-19 Septhemba kulo nyaka.

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Indawo yokuqala, kodwa futhi maqondana
nokuqukethwe: Kubaluleke kakhulu ukukhumbula ukuthi:

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Yini efakiwe kule mithetho yezempilo kuze kube manje, futhi
iphathwe kanjani, ukuze sikwazi ukuhlukanisa izinguquko

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ezincane kakhulu, ezidinga ngempela ukuhlolwa ngesibhakabhaka
sokukhuluza kanye nolwazi lokuhumusha lwamagqwetha?

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Futhi imithetho yezempilo yangaphambilini,
esebenza ngalolu hlobo kusukela ngo-2007, yabeka

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phambili into ebaluleke kakhulu kuSigaba 3, Isigaba 1:

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Le migomo izosebenza ngenhlonipho ephelele yesithunzi
somuntu, amalungelo abantu kanye nenkululeko eyisisekelo!

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Yebo, bafazi nabesilisa, lokho kusho ukuthi sonke singaya ekhaya
singakhathazeki futhi sikhululekile, ngoba

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yilokho okushiwo kuze kube manje futhi
okufanele kuqhubeke kushoyo esikhathini esizayo.

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Kungani, kungani sisazikhathazile? Yebo, ngoba
sibheka ukusetshenziswa kwangempela eminyakeni yamuva nje.

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Imithetho yezempilo yafakwa kanjani – naphezu kwale migaqo?

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Futhi kumele ngikubuyekeze kafushane,
njengommeli owenze zonke lezi zinqubo ngami uqobo.

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Bekukhona isidingo sokugqoka imaski ezinganeni,
futhi ngaphezu kwakho konke, kwakungekho ukukhululwa.

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Benginomntwana onekhono elinciphisiwe lokuthatha
umoya-mpilo. Lalihlala njalo lilingana nama-80

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ekhulwini kuphela . Futhi alizange lithole ukukhululwa.

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Futhi odokotela abakhishile izitifiketi zokukhululwa kulezo zimo
ezifanele bagcotshwa. Bahlanganyela ezinqubweni zobugebengu.

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Futhi njengoba nonke nikwazi, isibonelo uDkt.
Andreas Heisler – ngenhlanhla usanda kukhululwa

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muva nje, ngokufanele, kodwa ngemva kwenqubo ende.

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Futhi usengumakhasimende wami namuhla, ilayisensi yakhe
yokusebenza yamukwehliswa ekupheleni kuka-Okthoba – yamukwehliswa

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ngonyaka odlule – ingxenye ngoba wakhupha isitifiketi sokukhululwa
ekugqokeni imaski somntwana wesifazane oneminyaka engu-14.

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Ngakho-ke bekungekho okukhethekile okwenzeka lapha.
Kwabe sekulandela imikhankaso enzima yamaphoyisa –

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sonke siyazi ngalokho, okuyinto engakholeki kakhulu.

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Kube nokuhlolwa okuningi kwabantu abaningi
ezikoleni zamabanga aphansi. Lapha eMaihof,

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lokhu kuzobhalwa emlandweni omubi waseSwitzerland.

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Ngo-29 Januwari 2021 – ngesikhathi isidingo sokugqoka imaski
sasiphoqelelwa yonke indawo – izingane ezingama-374 zahlolwa

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ngokuphoqelelwa esikoleni iMaihof eLucerne ngoba ingane
eyodwa yatholakala inegciwane ngesikhathi sokuhlolwa okuvamile.

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Futhi manje nansi into: benza kanjani lokhu?

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NgoLwesihlanu ekuseni, kwathunyelwa i-imeyili ezindlini
zabazali ethi, "Yebo, sizokwenza lezi zivivinyo ntambama."

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Kumele kwenziwe ngenxa yalezi
zizathu. Sicela usazise uma ungavumelani.

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Yebo, iningi labazali abazange
babone i-imeyili. Babese msebenzini.

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Futhi okwenzeka ngaleso sikhathi kwakuthi –
ngathola ucingo ngemuva kwalokho oluvela kuthisha.

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Wangishayela ngokukhala ngoba kwakumele
alinde nekilasi lakhe lesikole phambi kwegym – noma

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kwakumele alinde phambi kwegumbi lokuhlolwa.

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Futhi sekusuka egumbini kwakuzwakala ukulila
kwezingane, ngoba nazo zazihlolwe ngenkani. Ngenkani!

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Futhi yena uqobo kwadingeka asize
ukubamba izingane ezingafuni ukuhlolwa.

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Ingabe isithunzi esingenamkhawulo sabantu sigcinwe lapha?

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Hhayi-ke, futhi sonke siyazi okwenzekile
kubanikazi bendawo yokudlela iWalliserkanne.

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Babanjwa ngomkhankaso omkhulu
wamaphoyisa nokusetshenziswa okukhulu kwamandla.

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Futhi – ngiyaxolisa, ungakubona lapha – esikhundleni
sokuvakashela iklayenti lami endaweni yakhe yokudlela, kwadingeka

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ngimvakashele ejele. Lokho kwenzeka ngomhlaka 31 Okthoba 2021.

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Noma eDavid Gym, lapho ungabona
khona indawo yokushintsha izingubo.

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Lapha sibona omunye wamaphoyisa amahlanu endaweni
yokushintsha izingubo owaphinde wakhupha abantu e-sauna.

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Ngifuna nje ukubeka lokhu emkhathini wobuntu
obungenamkhawulo, okuthiwa sekubekwe emigomeni yezempilo.

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Futhi iqiniso, njengoba sazi, bekungeyona
ingozi enkulu kangangokuthi bekungeke

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kuvunyelwe ukusebenzisa lezi zindlela zempi.

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Lena yimvelaphi. Futhi kufanele futhi siqaphele ukuthi
umgomo oyisisekelo sobukhosi besizwe ubekwe emigomeni.

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Ngakho-ke Isihloko 3, isigaba 4 seMithetho
Yezempilo Yamazwe Ngamazwe empeleni siyigcina lokhu.

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Izifundazwe zizimele futhi zingasebenzisa ubukhosi bazo.

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Kodwa iKhonsili yethu Kazwelonke yasebenzisa kangakanani ubukhosi
bayo lapho, isibonelo, kwakufika ekupheleni kwesimo esiphuthumayo,

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isimo esingajwayelekile, okungukuthi isimo sokuphuthuma?

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Akabuyelanga esimweni
esijwayelekile, kodwa esesimweni esikhethekile.

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Futhi intatheli yethelevishini yaseSwitzerland yabuza
ngokufanele: "Kungani singabuyeli esimweni esijwayelekile?"

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Futhi impendulo evela kuMongameli weNhlangano
yaseSwitzerland, uSimonetta Sommaruga ngaleso

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sikhathi, ithi: "Asikwazi nje ukuzinqumela ngalokho."

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Enye yezihloko yi-WHO, echaza isimo esiphuthumayo esinjalo.

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Ngakho-ke masicacise: asinaso isibuso. I-WHO inquma.

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Lapha futhi asinaso isibuso esiphelele: uMongameli
kazwelonke ozayo, u-Ignazio Cassis, enkundleni,

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ephendula umbuzo ovela kuSandro Protz, owabuza ngokufanele:

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Kwenzekani ukuthi sifunda eziphephandabeni ukuthi izibhedlela
zimenyezelwa izibalo ezikhulayo zabantu abafa nge-coronavirus,

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kodwa empeleni laba bantu bamukelwa
esibhedlela ngenxa yengozi yemoto, ingozi yomgwaqo noma

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ezinye izingozi, futhi yilokho okubabulalayo?

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Futhi lapha kubhalwe – uMongameli we-Federal
uthi: "Yebo, kulungile. I-WHO yenza kanjalo."

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Ngesikhathi sobhubhane, zonke izizwe kumele
zenze lokhu ukuhlola ngokuhambisana nomgomo ofanayo.

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Futhi lokhu kusikhumbuza sonke uShakespeare,
othi: "Yize lokhu kuhlanya, kuseyindlela kulo."

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Lena indlela lapha. Ububhanxa obuphelele. Ububhanxa obuphelele.

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Yize kuwubuwula, kunendlela kuyo. Ngakho-ke,
okungenani kunendlela kuyo. Ngakho-ke, inqobo

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nje uma kunendlela kuyo, noma yini iyamukeleka.

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Futhi izinkantolo azingcono. Lapha, ngamafuphi – ngiyazi
sengivele ngakusho lokhu... kumele ngizikhumbuze njalo – kodwa

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izinkantolo ziye zangitshela mina namaklayenti ami kaningi:

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Mnu. Kruse, uyazi ukuthi inqobo nje uma ubhubhane
usaqhubeka, iziphathimandla kumele zisebenzise ukucabangela

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okwengeziwe, futhi kumele zivunyelwe ukwenza kanjalo.

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Futhi inqobo nje uma lezi zinhlangano
zihambisana neziphakamiso ze-WHO, thina

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njengamacala asemthethweni asenakho ukuphikisa lokho.

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Ngakho-ke, lokho kusho ukuthi phakathi nalesi sikhathi eside
kakhulu sobhubhane, esasingathi cishe ubhubhane ongenamkhawulo

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– kusukela mhla zingama-31 kuJanuwari 2020 kuya mhla zingama-5
kuMeyi 2023 – bekukhona nje ukuzikhethela okungenangqondo lapha.

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Futhi ngokususelwa kulokhu okungahleliwe, noma yikuphi ukuhlolwa
kabusha noma ukulungiswa kususwe – ngenxa yalezi zizathu.

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Yebo, akukaze kuqinisekiswe ngokuzimela, ngisho nasePhalamende.

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ESwitzerland, sinohlelo lapho iPhalamende
laseSwitzerland liyigunya eliphezulu kunazo zonke

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emthethweni wombuso – kanye nezakhamuzi ezizimele, vele.

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Futhi nabo abakayenzanga imisebenzi
yokwengamela noma yokuqapha kuze kube namuhla.

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Njengekomidi labameli engasungula ndawonye nabanye ozakwethu,
siye sahlale sibiza amalungu ePhalamende kusukela ngoDisemba

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2021 ukuba aphande ngqo ngalolu daba futhi aphethe le mhlatshelo.

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Lezi zinyathelo kumele zime futhi kumele kwenziwe ukubuyekezwa.

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Futhi impendulo esiyitholile yaba: "Yebo,
singakwenza lokho kuphela uma ubhubhane usuqediwe."

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Ngakho-ke, abantu bathemba ngokungabheki amandla onke
nolwazi lonke lwe-WHO. Lokho, njengoba ngishilo, kuyisiqalo.

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Futhi yonke le simo iyenzima kakhulu ngenxa yento esivele
yashunyayelwa ngumlingani wami ohloniphekile uJürg

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Vollenweider, yokuthi eSwitzerland izinkantolo
neziphathimandla zibophezela emthethweni wamazwe ngamazwe.

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Futhi uma ukholelwa ukuthi izincomo ze-WHO zimelela okuthile
okufana nesindinganiso sezinqubo ezinhle kakhulu, okungukuthi

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yilokho okuhle kakhulu okufanele kwenziwe futhi okufanele
kwenziwe kulezi zimo, khona-ke kuzoba yimpoqo ukuzisebenzisa.

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Lena yisimo esikhona kuze kube manje. Futhi
masingakhohlwa: kunesiArtikuli 42 esisondele

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ekubeni yingozi emthethosisekelo wamanje. Sithi:

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Izinqumo zezempilo ezithathwa ngokususelwa kule migomo
yezempilo kumele ziqalwe futhi ziqedwe ngokushesha,

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futhi zisetshenziswe ngokusobala nangaphandle kokucwasa.

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Ngakho-ke sekukhona lapho futhi sekuxhunywe,
futhi sekusetshenziswe ngaleyo ndlela. Yebo,

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kahle, ngiyakucela, zenzele isinqumo sakho.

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Singathembela kangakanani ngempela kule ncwadi
Yezimiso Zempilo Zomhlaba Wonke esikhathini esizayo?

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Ngakho-ke sinazo futhi, futhi okokugcina kodwa hhayi
okuncane, amacala wamanje. Ngishilo elilodwa, uDkt Dhani.

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Unazo zonke ezintathu – ukhiphe izitifiketi kuphela
ezimweni ezintathu, okukodwa engikushilo, isitifiketi somaski.

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Kwamanye amacertificates amabili, ngemva
kokuhlolwa okujulile , izivivinyo zegazi

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nokunye, kanye namahora ambalwa wokuhlolwa, wathi:

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Esimweni sakho esithile, ukugoma kungaba yingozi
ngezizathu zezokwelapha. Ngiyakukhulula ekugomeni.

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Lokhu kuholele eHhovisi Lezempilo Lesifunda SaseZurich
ukuba limsolile ngenhloso yobugebengu – limsolile ngenhloso

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yobugebengu – futhi lithi usengozini yezempilo yomphakathi.

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Lokhu kungokwanamuhla, akuyona
imbali emnyama lapho sasingazi kangcono.

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Lokho yisimo esikhona. Futhi kungani ngiphikelela ngakho kangaka?

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Ngokuyisisekelo ngikukhombisa ukuthi noma ukuqinisekiswa okuncane
nje, noma ngisho nokuqina, kubuyisela lokhu

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okwedlule ekubeni yiqiniso esikhathini esizayo
futhi kuzokwenza isimo sonke sibe sibi kakhulu.

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Futhi yilokho konke okufanele kubhekwe ngale
ndlela. Asinayo futhi imibuyekezo eJalimane, nakuba konke

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sekucacile isikhathi eside ngenxa yezinqubo ze-RKI.

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Futhi ngithanda ukukhomba into okufanele ngempela ikhuthaze
wonke ilungu lePhalamende laseSwitzerland ukuba licabangisise.

17:07.910 --> 17:16.793
Ngisho nangaphambi kukaTrump, ngisho nangaphambi kukaTrump,
isigatsha esincane seNdlu Yabamele, okungukuthi iNdlu Yabamele

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yase-United States, sashicilela umbiko waso wokugcina ngomhlaka 4
Disemba 2024 emva kweminyaka ecishe ibe mibili yocwaningo –

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ngamanye amazwi, bafeza imisebenzi yabo yocwaningo – le micwaningo
yonke isesidlangalaleni futhi ingatholakala ku-inthanethi.

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Futhi lapho, ekhasini lesithathu, kubhalwe ngokusobala ukuthi
ukuvalwa kwezikole kanye nazo zonke izinyathelo ezithathwe

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kwakugqugquzelwe kwezombusazwe kuphela,
kwakungekho sizathu sezempilo noma sesayensi nhlobo, nokuthi

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lezo zinyathelo zazimbi kakhulu kunegciwane uqobo.

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Ngiyancoma ukuthi ufunde lokhu, kodwa ngaphezu kwakho
konke ngiyancoma ukuthi wonke amalungu ePhalamende bawufunde.

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Kodwa iKhonsili Kazwelonke ithi ukuthini
ngalokhu kuguqulwa kwemithetho yezempilo?

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Uthi lezi izinguquko zobuchwepheshe ezincane kuphela, akudingeki
uxhaso lwezimali olwengeziwe, akukho zinguquko emthethweni,

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futhi impela akukho ukunciphisa ukuzimela kweSwitzerland.

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Futhi yingakho kungadingeki ukuthi abantu
baseSwitzerland babe nelungelo lokukhuluma, futhi kungcono

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ngisho ukuthi nePhalamende lingabi nelungelo lokukhuluma.

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Iyini isikhundla esiphikisanayo? Futhi lapha futhi:

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Sicela ubheke ikhasi lasekhaya le-Aktionsbündnis Freie Schweiz
(Ibumbano Lezenzo Lokuzimela KweSwitzerland) ukuze ubone

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izitatimende zethu ezinemininingwane kakhulu nezingxoxo
esizishicilele khona, ikakhulukazi ezivela ku-Aktionsbündnis

18:39.678 --> 18:43.611
Freie Schweiz uqobo, lapho sichaza khona yonke imininingwane.

18:43.611 --> 18:49.111
Ngakho-ke, ukufingqa: Singaphetha futhi kumele siphethe ukuthi:

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Lezi zinguquko ze-IGC ziqinisa futhi zivikela isimo somthetho
samanje ngokuchitha umphakathi futhi zisiza imboni yezemithi.

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Futhi konke lokhu kunezimpawu zobuphathekayo ngokuphelele.
Kulula kanjalo. Futhi sesikubonise lokhu ngokuningiliziwe.

19:10.632 --> 19:17.509
Empeleni lolu hlelo lokususa zonke
izindinganiso zekhwalithi ngobuhlakani bezempi.

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Konke lokhu kuchazwa ngumqondo wezempi.
Kusezingeni eliphelele lokuphuthuma kombuso.

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Konke kuvunyelwe, kuhlanganise nezimvume
eziphuthumayo ngaphandle kwanoma yiziphi izivivinyo zokuphepha.

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Akukho okukhethwayo kokulungisa. Ngakho-ke uma sesimemezelwe
isimo esiphuthumayo esinjalo, akukho uhlelo lokulungisa.

19:37.646 --> 19:40.677
Konke lokhu, njengoba ngishilo,
kuphikisana nezintshisekelo zabantu.

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Futhi lolu hlelo lokuzikhethela ngokuphelele
lwezobuphathekayo aluhambisani nhlobo nokuqonda kwethu kombuso –

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ngisho nemithetho yezempilo ekhona manje isivele inezinkinga.

19:51.542 --> 19:55.818
Futhi ngokususelwa kulokhu, sibona amaphuzu
abaluleke kakhulu lapha. Lokho kungamane

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kwezihlanu. Ngizofika kwesihlanu ngokushesha.

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Iphuzu lokuqala, okudingeka ukwazi kuphela
uma ubheka esikhathini esedlule, yilena:

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Aha, ukuzikhethela namandla kaMqondisi-Jikelele okumenyezelwa
isimo esiphuthumayo sezempilo akukhawulelwa, futhi,

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ngokwokuhlangenwe nakho kwangaphambilini, akusekho ngaphansi
kwenqubo yokulungisa, kodwa ngokuphambene nalokho, kuyandiswa.

20:23.262 --> 20:33.458
Ungakwenza lokhu yedwa. Ungakwazi ngisho nokudlula
iphaneli yakhe yochwepheshe kanye nombono wezwe elithintekayo.

20:33.458 --> 20:39.433
Lena yiphuzu lokuqala. Lokhu kuholela noma kudala
ukwesaba ukuthi sizophinde sibe nezifo ezibhubhanayo

20:39.433 --> 20:43.573
ezingahleliwe, ezinde kakhulu ezihlala isikhathi eside kakhulu.

20:43.573 --> 20:55.368
Okwesibili: uMqondisi-Jikelele angamemezela ukuthi yiziphi
imikhiqizo i-WHO ebheka ukuthi iyadingeka ukulwa nale mbungulu.

20:55.368 --> 20:58.977
Manje cabanga ngelizwe elithi,
"Sizokwenza izinto ngendlela ehlukile."

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Bese ulwazi luza ngokushesha: Linda umzuzwana, isibonelo,
iSwitzerland ingcuphe emhlabeni ngoba ayisebenzisi le mikhiqizo.

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Kuyinto elula nje: amandla angokoqobo kanye nalokhu kucabanga
kwezindinganiso zokuziphatha okuhle okusebenza lapha kakade,

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ngaphandle kokuba kunoma yiluphi uhlelo
olusemthethweni, noma yiluphi uhlelo lwezempi olusemthethweni,

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oluxhumene nakho. Kodwa linda ukuze ufike ephuzwini lokugcina.

21:26.368 --> 21:30.179
Khona-ke kunendlela yokuxhasa ngezimali. Lokho kuyindaba enkulu.

21:30.179 --> 21:39.696
Kodwa ngokujwayelekile, kumele kushiwo ukuthi ngokombono we-WHO
namazwe ahola phambili – ukuthi amazwe ahlwempu, amazwe

21:39.696 --> 21:48.494
aseNingizimu, iNingizimu Yomhlaba Wonke, ikakhulukazi i-Afrika –
kumele axhaswe ngokwezimali, axhaswe ngolwazi

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lobuchwepheshe nangezikhungo zokukhiqiza ukuze nawo
azuze ekugonyweni nasezintweni zomuthi wokugoma.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi esikhathini esizayo ngeke nje
kudingeke sikhokhe inani elikhulu lezinto

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zokugoma esizithengile, kodwa futhi nezamanye amazwe.

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Ngokungeziwe, izolo noma ngosuku olwedlule, kwakhishwa umbiko
othi iFederal Council eSwitzerland isenqaba, naphezu

22:15.728 --> 22:25.915
kwemibuzo yephalamende, ukwembula izinombolo zemali eziqondile
zokuthi isichithe malini ezintweni ezisekelwe ku-mRNA.

22:25.915 --> 22:30.601
Lokho akwamukeleki nhlobo. Bonke amalungu
ePhalamende kufanele bathathe izinyathelo.

22:30.601 --> 22:33.415
Umkhandlu Kazwelonke kumele uveze lezi zinombolo.

22:33.415 --> 22:38.452
Sikhokhe malini ngale nto engenamsebenzi, engenanani?

22:38.452 --> 22:46.534
Noma kunjalo, akuyona into enezinzuzo zokwelapha
ezibonakalayo; ngokuphambene nalokho, njengoba sizokuzwa.

22:46.534 --> 22:54.824
Yebo, futhi kukhona uhlu oluphelele lwezibopho ezengeziwe –
ngaphansi kwesihloko samakhono ayisisekelo, izibopho

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eziyisisekelo noma izibopho eziyisisekelo –
ezisebenza hhayi kuphela ezingeni likahulumeni kazwelonke,

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kodwa nangezinga lamaphondo nasemazingeni kamasipala.

23:06.881 --> 23:14.069
Futhi lapho iKhonsili Kazwelonke ithi nje, yebo,
singakwazi kalula ukumboza lokho ngezinsiza esinazo esandleni.

23:14.069 --> 23:22.129
Ngakho-ke, iyiphi iphuzu eliyingozi kakhulu? UJürg Vollenweider
usuyichazile kahle kakhulu futhi wayiqondisa le nto.

23:22.129 --> 23:26.520
Lokhu kumayelana nodaba lobubuso phezu kolwazi nokuhumusha.

23:26.520 --> 23:34.822
Kufihlwe ekugcineni kwehlelo lesikhathi – lapho ngisho
'ekugcineni', ngisho nalesi sihloko lapha, ku-Appendix 1, Annex

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1, esigabeni samaCore Capacities, okungabonakali kalula, ngeke
ukubone, emazwini athi 'ukuxhumana ngezingozi', okuhlanganisa

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ukubhekana nolwazi olungelona iqiniso kanye nokudideka kolwazi.

23:48.458 --> 23:58.548
UJürg Vollenweider usechaze kahle kakhulu ukuthi akufanele
sithembele kule ndlela yokubeka engajulile nganoma iyiphi

23:58.548 --> 24:09.638
indlela, kodwa-ke, ngokuqinisekile, kumele sibuyele emlandweni
wokuthi le ndlela yokubeka yavela kanjani lapho siyihumusha.

24:09.638 --> 24:13.942
Futhi ngaphezu kwakho konke, kumele sivume
ukuthi lokhu sekuyisikhathi eside kuyenzeka.

24:13.942 --> 24:24.951
Lokhu ukulawula, lobu bukhosi bolwazi, sekusetshenziswe
isikhathi eside yi-WHO, lapho sinezibonelo ezingapheli.

24:24.951 --> 24:35.793
Sikuqala ngolwazi lonke mayelana nokuthi isimo
se-pandemic siyingozi kangakanani nokuthi kufanele senzeni.

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Kodwa lapha, ngifuna ukukhomba kafushane ukuthi
kusukela ngoFebhuwari 2020, i-WHO yahlanganisa zonke

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izinkampani ezinkulu zemidiya yokuxhumana nezobuchwepheshe.

24:48.765 --> 24:58.029
Wayesehhovisi le-Facebook, wabiza wonke umuntu lapho wathi,
'Kulungile, nansi imithetho. Sizoklama inkontileka manje.'

24:58.029 --> 25:07.855
Uyazibophezela ukuqinisekisa ukuthi akukho kolunye ulwazi
ngaphandle kwalokho esikunikeze okutholakala ezinkundleni zakho.

25:07.855 --> 25:14.864
Futhi lezi zimihlangano zaziphindwa njalo ngenyanga,
ku-inthanethi, hhayi ngokomzimba. Sikhuluma ngani?

25:14.864 --> 25:21.855
Kukhona i-Google, i-Facebook, i-Amazon, i-YouTube, i-Instagram,
uhlu oluphelele cishe lwezinkundla zokuxhumana

25:21.855 --> 25:27.954
ezingama-50 – ngamanye amazwi, cishe wonke
umhlaba wezinkundla zokuxhumana eziku-inthanethi.

25:27.954 --> 25:34.615
Lokhu sekufingqiwe kahle ngososayensi. Noma ubani
onentshisekelo ngomthombo wamukelekile ukungithinta.

25:34.615 --> 25:37.475
Yebo, futhi kungani lokho kuyisongela kangaka?

25:37.475 --> 25:44.839
Okokuqala futhi okubaluleke kakhulu, siyazi ukuthi inkululeko
yokuzwakalisa, inkululeko yolwazi nenkululeko yezemfundo

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ziyizimiso eziyisisekelo ezisivumela thina njengabantu ukuba
sisebenze ngaphakathi kwedemokhrasi, futhi zivumela ezombusazwe

25:52.578 --> 25:56.604
nenqubo yokuthatha izinqumo kwezepolitiki ukuba zisebenze.

25:56.604 --> 26:01.463
Futhi ukuze sikwazi ukwenza isinqumo
esinolwazi mayelana nempilo yethu.

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Lokho sekubi ngokwanele futhi sekuchazwe kahle kakhulu.

26:06.898 --> 26:16.343
Nokho, futhi kudidayo kakhulu kakhulu noma kuhlobene kancane,
noma kunalokho kuhlobene, ekuthatheni izinqumo zedemokhrasi.

26:16.343 --> 26:20.234
Sibone leli vhoti. Savunyelwa ukuvota kathathu eSwitzerland.

26:20.234 --> 26:26.713
Savunyelwa ukuthi sizivotele umthetho we-COVID-19.
Futhi sasihlala sithola umphumela ofanayo cishe.

26:26.713 --> 26:34.078
ama-40% awamukelanga lo mthetho we-COVID-19, cishe
amashumi amane ekhulwini, kanti ama-60% awamukele.

26:34.078 --> 26:44.392
Yebo, uma isisekelo sokuhlola esihlale sibekwa emphakathini
sihlale sisekelwe enetheni lobuxoki, khona-ke izakhamuzi

26:44.392 --> 26:49.720
ngeke zikwazi ukwenza isinqumo esifanele ebhokisini lokuvota.

26:49.720 --> 26:57.980
Kodwa akuphelelanga lapho. Sineingozi – kuyabonakala –
ekusebenzeni kwazo zonke izwe elisekelwe kumthethosisekelo.

26:57.980 --> 27:04.324
Sisasaphila e-demokhrasini esekelwe
emgomeni oyisisekelo wokwahlukaniswa kwamandla.

27:04.324 --> 27:11.625
Futhi la magunya kufanele alandele omunye
nomunye, alawule omunye nomunye, alungise omunye

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nomunye, ngokususelwa kulwazi olutholwe ngokuzimela.

27:16.159 --> 27:24.684
Futhi uma nongcolisa lolu hlelo bese nilakha kabusha ngokususelwa
kumthombo owodwa wolwazi olawula ukuthi yini eqiniso

27:24.684 --> 27:29.634
nokuthi yini engamanga, nongcolisa yonke ingqalasizinda yombuso.

27:29.634 --> 27:37.819
Kwathi-ke iPhalamende lathi, cha, asikwazi ukuqinisekisa
lokho, ngoba i-WHO isaqhubeka nokuyibiza njengobhubhane.

27:37.819 --> 27:42.807
Noma kungase kwenzeke ukuthi wonke amacala
angibhekisele mina neziguli zami icala lokuthi:

27:42.807 --> 27:50.557
Siyaxolisa, kodwa sisaphakathi nobhubhane, futhi
iziphathimandla zilandele izincomo ze-WHO, nokunye nokunye.

27:50.557 --> 27:53.931
Ngamanye amazwi, ngempela silawulwa kude.

27:53.931 --> 28:02.870
Ilawulwa kude yi-WHO, ngaphandle kokubamba iqhaza kwejenerali
wezempi, kodwa nje ngoba abaholi bethu abaphezulu bakahulumeni

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ngokuzithandela bagwema ukuhlola ulwazi ngokwabo, ngokuzimela
nangokuzimela, futhi bathathe umbono ongamanga wokuthi

28:11.232 --> 28:15.987
i-WHO ayinakuphutha, ayikwazi ukuphutha futhi ihlale ilungile.

28:15.987 --> 28:25.026
Futhi siyazi ukuthi akekho umuntu emhlabeni wonke ongaphutha,
ongake enze amaphutha futhi ahlale elungile. Ngiyabonga.

28:34.524 --> 28:44.800
Lokhu akwamukeleki nhlobo futhi kumele kunqatshwe ngamazwi
aqinile kakhulu, ngokusekelwe esimweni somthetho samanje.

28:44.800 --> 28:56.106
Yebo, konke lokho akusekwanele kimina, uma kubhekwa izenzo
zobudlova ezazigcina zenziwa kubantu ngokukwenza nina, thina

28:56.106 --> 29:05.417
sonke, nikholelwe engcupheni engazange ibe khona
ngempela nokuthengisa umuthi obalulekile, ongenye

29:05.417 --> 29:11.082
indlela, ongabangeli noma yiziphi izinkinga zokuphepha.

29:11.082 --> 29:15.364
Lena inkohliso kubo bonke abantu.

29:15.364 --> 29:24.174
Futhi kungani lokho kubalulekile maqondana nalokho
... Kungani lokho kubaluleke kangaka? Kulula nje.

29:24.174 --> 29:31.924
Sibhekene nento okungenani okufanele ichazwe njengokuhlolwayo.

29:31.924 --> 29:38.254
Akekho owawazi ngaphambilini ukuthi bekukhona ini ngaphakathi
kwazo, futhi akekho owawazi ngaphambilini

29:38.254 --> 29:44.721
ukuthi lezi zinto ezisekelwe ku-mRNA zizoba namuphi
umphumela. Lesi yisibonelo esivelele sokuhlola.

29:44.721 --> 29:52.009
Futhi esimweni esinjalo, sinemibandela ebophezela kokubili
emthethweni wamazwe ngamazwe nasemthethosisekelo wethu weFederal,

29:52.009 --> 29:59.789
isigaba 10, isigaba 3, ngaphakathi kwesakhiwo somthetho wamazwe
ngamazwe nangaphansi kwesakhiwo sokuvinjelwa kokuhlukunyezwa.

29:59.789 --> 30:05.163
Futhi lokhu kuchazwe ngobuhle lapha eSivumelwaneni
Samazwe Ngamazwe Ngamalungelo Esintu Nezepolitiki.

30:05.163 --> 30:12.532
Lena yomthetho wamazwe ngamazwe obophezela ngokuphelele,
osebenza futhi esimweni sokuphuthuma komphakathi esisongela

30:12.532 --> 30:16.255
ukuphila kwesizwe futhi esimenyezelwe ngokusemthethweni.

30:16.255 --> 30:24.295
Akukho okungaphuma kulo mthetho oyisisekelo. Akekho
umuntu ongafakwa ezilingweni zezokwelapha noma

30:24.295 --> 30:29.167
zesayensi ngaphandle kwemvume yakhe ngokuzithandela, nhlobo.

30:29.167 --> 30:36.229
Futhi ohulumeni, amaphalamende nezinkantolo
bayivumele noma kunjalo – bayivumele noma kunjalo.

30:36.229 --> 30:41.254
Kimina, yilokho ukuqonda okukhulu nokesabekayo
kakhulu okuvela kule minyaka yonke

30:41.254 --> 30:45.247
'engajabulisiyo', kule minyaka yezinkinga ngaphansi kweCorona.

30:45.247 --> 30:52.768
Lokhu kuqonda okuyisisekelo, okwempela isithelo seMpi Yezwe
Yesibili futhi okumele kubonwe ngokuhambisana neNkodo

30:52.768 --> 30:59.957
yaseNuremberg, kushiywa eceleni ngaphandle kokungabaza
ngokushesha lapho ithuba livela, nje ngoba abakhiqizi

30:59.957 --> 31:04.254
abambalwa bezemithi befuna ukuthengisa imikhiqizo yabo yokugoma.

31:04.254 --> 31:10.435
Sizophela kanjani uma siqhubeka sivumela
lokhu futhi singakwazi ukubhekana nakho?

31:16.971 --> 31:20.964
Kuyicala lokuphatha kabi abantu okwenzekile.

31:20.964 --> 31:29.404
Lona icala lokuphatha kabi abantu elenziwe yi-WHO, eyaholele
thina, ngokungahambisani nokwahlulela kwayo okuhle, ekukholweni

31:29.404 --> 31:37.367
engcupheni eyayingekho nhlobo, futhi iyaqhubeka nokwenza
kanjalo kuze kube namuhla, futhi isiqinisekisa ukuthi akukho

31:37.367 --> 31:41.678
enye indlela ngaphandle kwemikhiqizo eyingozi neyobungozi.

31:41.678 --> 31:48.795
Futhi ngenxa yaleso sizathu kuphela,
kumele sikhuphe ukwethenjwa kwethu ku-WHO.

31:55.332 --> 32:01.221
Ngokufingqa, yini esingayilindela kulezi
zinguquko kuMthetho Wezempilo Womhlaba Wonke?

32:01.221 --> 32:07.787
Lolu hlelo lokususwa ngokungahleliwe kwazo
zonke izindinganiso zekhwalithi, kokubili

32:07.787 --> 32:11.641
embonini yezemithi nasemkhakheni wedemokhrasi.

32:11.641 --> 32:17.158
Lolu hlelo lwakhiwe ukukhohlisa umphakathi
ngokuthanda kwalo. Lolu hlelo lwakhiwe ukuphoqa

32:17.158 --> 32:20.375
izintshisekelo zezidakamizwa ngokuthanda kwalo.

32:20.375 --> 32:28.918
Uhlelo oluvumela ukususwa ngokungazelelwe kokwahlukaniswa
kwamandla ekukhuseleni amalungelo ayisisekelo, kwenze kubonakale

32:28.918 --> 32:36.481
kusemthethweni, ngokubeka imikhawulo ephezulu
kubuNkosi nasekuzimeleni, ngobungozi obungenakubalwa empilweni

32:36.481 --> 32:40.567
nasemnotweni, ngisho nobugebengu obuphikisana nobuntu.

32:40.567 --> 32:46.707
Ngamanye amazwi, akuhambisani
nhlobo nohlelo lwethu lomthethosisekelo.

32:46.707 --> 32:51.988
Kumele sikuphikise lokhu sithi:
Yima! Ngempela, futhi lokho kungiqeda.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi sidinga izindlela zokulawula, sidinga ukuba
i-WHO ibophezele, sidinga ukuhlolwa nokulinganiswa kwamandla.

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Futhi kumele sisuse umqondo omudala wokuthi laba
bantu nabo kufanele banikezwe ukuvikelwa okuphelele.

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Ngenxa yalesi sizathu, ngincoma ukuthi usayine
izicelo ezimbili njengomkhuba osheshayo. Kukhona

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izicelo ezimbili okwamanje ezisakazwayo eSwitzerland.

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Kukhona osevele efuna ukubhekana nenkinga
kusukela emthonjeni wayo futhi ashiye i-WHO.

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Inhliziyo yami ngokwemvelo ishaya ngenxa
yalesi sicelo, esihlelwe ngobuhle yi-EDU.

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Futhi thina, njenge-Free Switzerland Action Alliance, sifisa
ukukucela: uma unquma ukuthatha isinyathelo ngemuva kwalesi

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simposiyamu, sicela uvakashele iwebhusayithi yethu futhi
uqinisekise ukuthi usayina le petishini, ongayisayina futhi usuka

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eJalimane noma kunoma yiliphi elinye izwe. Kuyindaba nje yokuthi:

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IKhonsili Kazwelonke kufanele inqabe lezi zichibiyelo.
Lokhu kuzosisiza ukuthola isikhathi esengeziwe sazo zonke

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izinyathelo ezilandelayo. Futhi ngalokho ngiqeda amazwi ami.

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Siyabonga kakhulu. Sizojabula
ukuxoxa ngokuphuma kwe-WHO ngenye indaba.

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Ngoba, njengoba uGorbachev eseshilo
kakade, silungele ukufunda emlandweni.

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Sekuyisikhathi eside sifunde emlandweni,
futhi asifuni ukuhlukunyezwa ukuphinda

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siwuphinde ngaphansi kwanoma yiziphi izimo.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngokunaka kwenu.