Yes, today we have Dr. Bodo Schiffmann live on Kla.TV.
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A very warm welcome, dear Bodo. You're welcome. Nice to have you here.
Yes, thank you very much for the invitation, dear Mathias. And I'm delighted to be on Kla.TV again.
Bodo, before corona you ran a prestigious private ear, nose and throat practice and an outpatient clinic
for vertigo in Sinsheim. Was the practice going well?
I think you can say that. We were one of the few practices that specialized in dizziness,
and that was multidisciplinary, not just ENT.
We have also treated neurological internal diseases.
For example, we analyzed the MRI images ourselves using our own diagnostic system.
We had an examination protocol that was far above university level, with which we were able to scan the
patients almost completely without them participating.
So we made an effort to obtain objective findings.
You have to know that the patients who came to see me were patients who had been virtually everywhere in the world and who
had already been to well-known experts before and who had sometimes suffered from vertigo for decades and who
were always told in the end that they were imagining things, that there was nothing there and so on and so forth.
In fact, however, if objective diagnostics were prioritized, the cause could be found in the vast majority of patients.
We had internal quality controls. This means that we wrote to our patients again.
And as I said, they were all considered incurable cases. And we had success rates that were well over 70 percent.
And we had an international audience. That means our patients flew in. That sounds a bit exaggerated, but it's true.
They came from all over the world, whether it was from Japan, China or America.
We had people who flew in from Washington D.C. because of ringing in their ears and flew straight back.
We have had astronauts and cosmonauts with us. We have had various professional athletes from all areas.
Politicians, of course, including politicians from so-called rogue states, i.e. those who held high positions there.
In other words, we treated people regardless of what they did and tried to find out what their complaints were.
And at a level that was significantly higher than that of university hospitals.
That was also one of the reasons why, for example, I regularly gave lectures for the German ENT Society or something
like that, or was given the task of giving a lecture at the University of Heidelberg or something similar.
This is by no means the rule for an ENT doctor in private practice. It is the exception.
And indeed, the exotic clinical pictures were the normal clinical pictures for us.
So a patient with a banal vertigo disorder such as positional vertigo is something we have very rarely seen.
This was a disease such as a vestibular schwannoma or acoustic neuroma, i.e. a tumor of the auditory nerve - an ENT doctor
normally sees these once every five years if he has a lot of neurological patients - and we had several of these every week.
And that's just the order of magnitude, you really have to imagine.
We have spent a lot of time with our patients.
In other words, a patient came in to us in the morning and when he went out, he had a complete file with all his
findings, with a treatment recommendation and so on and so forth, and then went out completely.
And we were able to pat ourselves on the back and say that we had a really high success rate year on year -
routine, of course - and were able to help a lot of people.
It was a lot of fun. It was also very satisfying.
As a doctor, my wife was also able to help people from the trauma therapy side, because dizziness is loss of control and
loss of control is the strongest form of trauma you can have.
It's actually the gateway to any depression or similar. Because if you don't know which way is up and which way is
down or you feel insecure all the time, then you very quickly get into an anxiety that accompanies you.
But anxiety is not the cause, the cause is actually organic. And you have to get to the bottom of it.
It was a lot of fun. We were very well recognized, so we were always listed in the Leading Medicine Guide
or in the Who's Who in Germany, I was considered one of the ten most important ENT doctors.
This is not bragging, because the whole thing is over, but it is simply a statement to make that someone has spoken
out here at the beginning of the corona pandemic who is not a beginner in his field, but a full professional.
Exactly. I think we can definitely hold on to that.
But that also means, if I have understood correctly, that you were also considered an expert in your field to a certain extent.
When people from all over the world came to see you, did the media report on you at the time? Were there any interviews?
You've just spoken about the Ärzteblatt. But that means there was no negative report about you.
They basically let you have your say or reported on you, yes?
Yes, so both the television, that you had some reports where they came to your practice and
made recordings, or also interviews from magazines.
We were regularly in magazines. And in the end I was even - and this is the ultimate accolade
- the dizziness expert for Apotheken-Umschau.
Apotheken-Umschau is the print medium with the highest circulation, i.e.
significantly higher than anything else on the market.
And as a doctor in private practice, I had virtually left all the professors right and left and
ended up being the expert for the Apotheken-Umschau.
And then I was also at the end, so my articles that I did in the newspapers, you also found at dpa, at Reuters,
at AP and so on and so forth, because I actually made an international, media name for myself.
And that was also what was very strange at the beginning of the pandemic, because to make it work, you also employ professionals.
So I had an advertising agency, a press agency that I worked with, that worked for me, that
I paid, that also made sure that I was placed.
And then I tried to get on talk shows at the beginning.
My press agency said: "Ah, better leave it alone, then you'll just sit on the talk show."
Because I said: "Watch out, tell them it's an ENT doctor, he's well-known, he has a different opinion."
And then there is a distribution list, a press distribution list, which is also available for talk shows.
And then you pay a bit of money and then the whole thing is distributed.
And then they know that there is someone here who would like to make a statement.
And normally, if the press agency had accepted, I would have been able to close my practice for four weeks
and go from talk show to talk show like Karl Lauterbach.
But it didn't come. Not a single story. The same was true after it had been running for a while.
I made videos from March 14, 2020 and was one of the first to do so.
Had a very big presence on YouTube until I was censored.
And then people wrote to me several times, for example on Lanz, saying, here, here's an ENT doctor, please invite him in.
And I received the letters by e-mail. They were always rejected.
It was said that Mr. Lanz invites his guests himself and it is not planned.
And there was also - I was leaked something by RBB - a non-disclosure agreement very early on, in March 2020, and it
said that there would be no relativizing reporting on Corona.
That was the order from the top of RBB to the reporters, and they had to stick to it,
otherwise they could have taken their hats off.
Yes. Let me summarize this chapter again for the viewers, so I'll just say, until Corona - you
were simply the man in your field, you can say that.
We all complain about the shortage of skilled workers in Germany, but we had a specialist in his field here,
so to speak, that the whole world came here to get help.
Let's keep that in mind. What happened?
I think that would be very important to understand. At what point did the whole thing tip over?
It fell apart right from the start, because right at the beginning my intention was to get people out of fear.
So as an expert in colds - that's a number of numbers OAS ...
What was that, sorry, at the beginning of Corona do you mean now?
Yes, March 14, 2020, as I said, the first video.
And the first video was entitled "Don't panic", and I tried to tell people that this is a cold, similar to the flu, for example.
And I looked at the numbers, how many people usually die in Wuhan, how many have died and Bergamo and blah blah blah.
So all these relevant sources and then I came to the conclusion that at the end of my first
video I said, I think we're all going to die.
But not to Corona, I think that's very unlikely.
And that was actually the tenor, because in addition to being an ENT doctor, I'm also an emergency doctor,
a paramedic, a paramedic from the emergency services.
That's what got me into medicine in the first place. And there's an upper rule and it's simply called "don't panic".
If you come to a mass casualty incident, you can't say, help, you're all going to die.
Rather, even if you know that you can't treat them all, you have to give your charges on the street the
feeling that you have the situation under control.
And I couldn't understand that the government, the press and others ... I reminded the press of their responsibility very
early on, also in my videos, because they noticed my videos.
And then I said, friends, you have a responsibility.
And if you panic people into believing that they have to be put on a ventilator every time they get a scratchy
throat, then intensive care beds really aren't enough.
So I also wanted to make sure, in case I misjudge, that people are reassured and not make a mountain out of a molehill, so
that the hospitals are not overrun, so that people don't panic.
I get this confirmed by people time and time again.
People were scared to death of these images, which ran on an endless loop on the television.
And that was actually my request. And that was immediately boycotted, sabotaged.
Even people at local newspapers, with whom I normally always had good contact.
I mean, I was the local star in Sinsheim. I was invited everywhere, whether it was
to soccer matches or events or whatever.
That was ... you were a VIP. And then the mayor came and took a photo when you got one of those things, one of
those awards - you can find it on my website besserleben.tv.
So I had a bit of fun and took the mayor with me to show what it used to look like.
And from one day to the next, you're suddenly written off.
So all the people who thought you were the leading expert suddenly believe the TV more than the doctor, who, because I
was also a surgeon, they trusted with some of their lives.
When you are operated on by someone, you are entrusting them with your life or that of your children. And that was very bizarre.
Yes, I think so. And when you look back on that time, that means you had, I'll say, a good cause.
You wanted to warn people, even as a doctor, as it should be, you wanted to inform them.
In retrospect, do you now have the impression that the scaremongering was intentional or was the whole
thing more of a coincidence, misinformed by some experts?
It wasn't really intended at the beginning and then there was a moment when it suddenly swung.
You could see that, both with Anthony Fauci in America and in Germany with Christian Drosten or Lothar Wieler, who put things
into perspective at the beginning and also said it's not all that bad, it's a cold, coronavirus
has been around for a long time, blah blah blah.
And then from one day to the next there must have been some kind of stable order, because the
picture changed completely everywhere, worldwide.
The whole thing was very bizarre, because nothing had actually changed in the situation, on the contrary, we had better and
better data, for example from Professor Ioannidis, who is a world-famous epidemiologist or the epidemiologist
par excellence, who also said, watch out people, this is a disease that is comparable to the flu.
The good Lord or whoever also provided us with complete, self-contained colonies that could be investigated.
Be it Heinsberg, be it the Diamond Princess, be it two aircraft carriers, be it a prison.
So we had several places where you could basically see exactly how high the mortality rate is here, how dangerous it is.
And we knew from the start that the data was not threatening.
And in fact, it has to be said that the whole thing was intentional, because it was continued.
Fake images were also deliberately used, as even the FAZ recently admitted.
Everyone remembers the trucks that picked up the coffins in Bergamo.
A complete production was even published for the first time this year in the FAZ, Frankfurter Allgemeine
Zeitung, which then also said, yes, but there was exactly one coffin in each of these ten trucks. One?
Yes, and it was taken away simply because they didn't have any crematoria.
The state had stipulated that these bodies must not be autopsied.
That was also one of those things where I said to myself, wait a minute, one of the greatest achievements of
medicine was that we were allowed to examine the dead. And that was the case for a long time.
I say, times of Leonardo da Vinci, they took bodies from the cemetery to be allowed to
autopsy people. We were able to autopsy people.
And then there was even someone there who autopsied the people, namely Professor Püschel in Hamburg, also one
of the heads of the few forensic pathologists there are.
And he said that those people who died there would all have died anyway.
And that was the story with "with" or "because of" corona. They didn't die of corona, they died with
corona, because they would have died without corona.
Looking back, we can see that these assessments were completely correct.
The death toll speaks for itself. So we were right from the start.
And I would have expected that I would have ... or my first videos ... I thought I would also
have politicians with my patients and the like.
I thought they'd take my first video, go to Merkel, say, look Angela, there's an ENT doctor in Sinsheim, I
know him, a world-famous guy who treats people from all over the world. He looked at the numbers.
You know Drosten, he already overshot the mark with swine flu and encouraged people to get vaccinated and the like.
In the end it was an air act - listen to this one.
Yes, I would have expected that to happen.
That you then get a call from Christian Drosten at some point and he says, can we see your figures?
We would like to talk to you. Yes, you would expect something like that.
Then you have other heavyweights in the ring like Wolfgang Wodarg, who ended the bird flu pandemic, no, the swine flu pandemic.
Then you have Professor Sucharit Bhakdi, a world-renowned immunologist and others.
We had several virologists. So they were all heavyweights, they agreed with my opinion or the opinion of Wolfgang
Wodarg or Sucharit Bhakdi and the press completely ignored it.
Then the pictures of the coffins that were standing around somewhere, which ended up being from a shipwreck in Lampedusa.
Images were deliberately taken that had nothing whatsoever to do with the situation in Bergamo, for example.
Which is proven by numerous programs, both from you and from Kla.TV. So it's a huge scandal, I completely agree with you.
My focus once again on the media and how they portrayed you, but also colleagues, as you just mentioned, Professor
Bhakdi, but also others, including Wodarg, who were subsequently put on the hit list purely by the media.
Where before a hero, I'll just say a certain luminary, the whole thing was turned 180 degrees, turned on
its head and then suddenly an enemy image was created.
When this started to happen to you, when you had previously, I'll say, been constantly honored, how did you experience it on a
purely personal level that suddenly such reports were being made about you, that almost
false reports were coming out in the mass media?
Mathias, If you have to experience this, you don't understand it at all.
In other words, at first I received a lot of emails from people who immediately congratulated me on my courage and
how brave I was and how much backbone I had and whatnot.
And I said to myself, that has nothing to do with courage.
So I'm a doctor, I analyze a story, I give my opinion, because as a doctor I also have an
obligation to look after the health of the population.
It's my job to go public when I notice something like this. That is my obligation.
I have to do this and I must not subordinate myself to the state.
This would be in breach of the medical code of conduct and the medical pledge.
So I didn't do anything wrong and when you suddenly see the dizzy doctor from Sinsheim or
similar stories, you don't understand it at all.
You say, friends, I'm providing solid facts here, I'm not making this up as I go along.
I took the data from the Robert Koch Institute every day in this show and simply analyzed it.
I have taken the original figures presented by the RKI.
I didn't come up with them myself.
So if one and one makes two and you simply have a clear factual and data situation and someone contradicts you
and says no, so from today one and one is three, then you can say, well, I don't understand that.
And as I said, then other high-weight people will join you.
Prof. Haditsch, vaccinologist and virologist and bacteriologist and others.
There is always someone new coming up, right up to Luc Montagnier, the discoverer, inventor, first describer or whatever of HIV.
That's another topic, we can talk about it, but the story ...
He has joined us as a Nobel laureate and he is not the only Nobel laureate.
And suddenly all the people with professional experience who have been luminaries in their field - and again,
Prof. Ioannidis is not an epidemiologist, he is the most cited epidemiologist in the world.
It is the expert for the spread of disease patterns.
And he said very early on, calm down, it's like the flu.
And that is simply ignored. You don't understand that. You don't get it.
Of course you carry on, because you feel personally attacked and would like to get your own reputation back in order
and then perhaps become a little clearer with your statements.
But primarily it was about getting people - and I think I succeeded in doing that - that I got a lot of
people out of their fear and then also saved them from making mistakes or short-circuiting.
To this day, I still can't understand how a reporter, especially from Sinsheim - there were also people from the
Rhein-Neckar-Zeitung and the like there - can talk about the local hero like that and not talk to him.
Right up to - I had an article in Stern, one in Der Spiegel, where reporters came along who really pretended to be your
friends in the worst possible way and gave you presents and whatnot ... and then accompanied you and went along to demos and
everything, including hugging and greeting and other things in the worst pandemic of all
time, and then wrote a slating article about you.
Yes, interesting. You're really not an isolated case, we hear that very often from a lot of different people, even
enlightened people or people who are just speaking their mind or the truth, call it what you will, at this moment.
We are now also seeing this with journalists, on the one hand with experts like you - you mentioned a few examples.
I think Füllmich could still be brought into the ring.
We now also have David Bendels as a journalist, which means that even independent reporters, journalists who are free to
express their opinion somewhere, simply in the form of a little satire, are immediately caught in the crossfire.
And that raises the big question: is the whole thing a coincidence?
Do you now have a newspaper that reports badly about you and everyone jumps on it?
Or is there a strategy behind it?
I think that's a point that would be very interesting. What do you think about that?
Yes, I've just told you, it may have slipped my mind, that I saw this letter from RBB and I had it in my
old e-mails, unfortunately I can't get to it anymore.
In any case, I have memorized this wording very carefully and it is really true, there
will be no relativizing reporting on Corona.
In other words, there was a stable order for the reporters in the big TV stations and the like that forbade them to do anything.
I can go a bit further, I can tell you something interesting.
Can you just briefly say who that came from? Just so the viewer knows.
RBB issued this instruction to whom? To the journalists now, so to speak?
To the journalists from RBB. It was more or less a protocol where they met and the people had to sign off on it, so to
speak, and this letter was quite simply a sentence saying that there would be no relativizing reporting on corona.
Thanks for the clarification!
That was simply a very clear message to every employee in this thing and there were ... You
have to assume that it was the same for others.
There were also meetings between the Chancellor and top journalists and the like, and as is the case with
our system, the newspapers belong to very few people.
We think we have an incredible number of newspapers, but in reality you can probably count on two hands which
of these publishing houses are owned and that's the trick, that they have completely captured the press.
And of course people were looking for information, similar to 9/11 or similar things, then you sit in front of the TV, waiting
for something new to come along, but in reality you always get the old things presented again, so you create a gaslighting,
that is, at some point you create the permanent illusion in the viewer that it must be true because he has seen it all the time.
It's still like that today, when you try to discuss something with someone, they say, haven't you seen the
coffins in Bergamo and I always think, yes, exactly, the ones in Lampedusa, I've seen them too.
That was, is this story and at some point in my broadcasts I realized relatively quickly that we are dealing with censorship
here and censorship only exists in totalitarian situations, so to speak, and as we now know, almost all fundamental rights have
been suspended by the basic laws in the pandemic of epidemic proportions through this trick of doing this
via an infectious disease, i.e. the Basic Law has been hijacked via the Infection Protection Act.
And back then, we thought about how we could continue to meet, how we could proceed and then we founded these
parties. So first "Resistance 2020", later "WIR2020".
And I was there with Ralf Ludwig for an interview with Südwestfunk, SWR, who sent a camera team and we got
a call beforehand and they told us to please set up a camera at your place and record your interview.
The people who come here have the task of portraying you as Nazis.
Pay very close attention to what you say. You can trust the cameraman. He belongs to us, so to speak, not to the others.
The cameraman wears this and this and this. We were well informed.
And if they say they don't allow it - it's your right, you can insist that you record this video.
And he really tried to put us on the spot for almost two hours, which didn't work, because we were simply preconceived,
that he slipped things in and tried to get answers out of us.
But I think Ralf Ludwig and I did quite well back then in our practice rooms.
And because we had the complete video ... and we also told them, watch out, friends, if you falsify
this video in any way, we'll publish ours immediately.
Yes, very good.
We had recorded the entire video on tape back then - and yes
... But Bodo, just to bring you back to the media and their point of view.
If you now say that, just like here, framing terms were obviously used, you have been completely misrepresented.
This has also been said quite openly, there is no relativizing reporting.
And someone, a camera crew, has been sent here to defame you as a Nazi. In other words, to make you look bad.
In other words, we are really dealing with media professionals here.
Do they follow an agenda? Are they still independent? What's going on there?
Is there just an editor who happens to be angry?
You said earlier that yes, the media are in the hands of a handful of people.
What's going on? Who is controlling it? Are they doing it on their own initiative?
Or what is your impression of how the whole thing is picking up speed?
It's much simpler. Very few newspapers still have real reporters who do the research. Instead, the newspapers
take their press releases from the press agencies dpa, Reuters and AP as a kind of subscription.
And there they can download the articles and fill their daily pages with them without having to do any research themselves.
If something is on Reuters or dpa, then it is considered well researched, even for the local newspaper in Buxtehude.
And then you can simply take them over. That's why you only need to hold these three press agencies in your hand.
And this is basically a single family - the Soros family.
They effectively own all the press departments and can simply use them to dictate opinion.
You can use it to say what gets into the press because you actually write the articles.
And while we are always looking for fake news somewhere, this is not the case in normal everyday life.
German Press Agency: "Trust the quality media!" - We've gotten used to that too.
We have become accustomed to having to watch the Tagesschau in the evening or the Tagesthemen
or something similar in order to stay informed.
And then there are good newspapers like the FAZ and the like.
And these are the tricks that were used. The script has been completely written.
The whole thing that is done here is clearly an agenda with the goal of New World Order,
Great Reset, Agenda 2030, call it what you will.
These are all actually the same scripts or Club of Rome or similar. All these things are repeated over and over again.
And you have been waiting for the moment when you can trigger something.
And you can see this in particular from the fact that this pandemic exercise, which was carried out in 2019, i.e. directly
before the start of the actual alleged COVID-19 pandemic, this Event 201, which is also
fantastically documented in films, it's all available.
You can still download the whole thing. It's a complete script.
What is being worked through here is a script.
And 200 people from all the different economic regions are supposed to be in charge of
the fate of the world afterwards, so to speak.
The game is not new, it's just been revisited and has been going on almost continuously since the
Club of Rome. Bilderbergers, you know the drill.
I mean, Kla.TV has made many, many, many great programs about this, where you can watch them. Here is actually an agenda.
So a wave of colds has been hijacked.
I even go one step further than my colleagues.
So the laboratory theory can be safely ignored.
The laboratory theory was a plan B that was set up right from the start, because at some point things get shaky, because with a
bioweapon you can of course say that the government, the Chancellor and Mr. Biden and everyone
else got this information from the secret services.
And this of course justifies draconian measures to protect the population from the bioweapon.
Forget it. This thing is the flu. It was the flu, it was always the flu, because the flu was gone.
Especially as the coronavirus was at the wrong time.
This means that the coronaviruses are actually flying at a slightly different time than the flu. And that was the flu.
So what we saw here was the normal flu, which was then simply canceled and was called Corona.
It's just that no one ever determined the coronaviruses during the old flu epidemics.
Or what does nobody ever mean? Maybe Fauci did it, I have no idea.
And that's why there was - you know what, we just don't focus on the flu viruses, we take
the coronaviruses and keep the whole thing high.
But the whole thing was a coup d'état from the outset.
What was done here was a planned coup d'état via the Infection Protection Act, because this
was the only way to undermine the Basic Law.
That was the gigantic trick that was pulled off here. And I have to say, I take my hat off!
It's a great simulation game, what they've done there.
Yes, you just mentioned the simulation game. You mean the one that took place in 2019, just before.
So the whole script, which was played out once, where WEF etc. was also involved.
There was also a part, there was also the media, how will the reporting take place there.
They pulled this off wonderfully during Corona, including by censoring and defaming experts.
However, this is of course a wonderful template for all subsequent crises.
Where we can also see that corona is now being turned into war, compulsory vaccination is now
being turned into compulsory military service.
It's always a similar program somewhere.
In other words, you are saying that the whole thing follows a certain agenda.
The bigger goal behind it, what could that be?
I think it's difficult for an ordinary viewer to understand that. Why would you do something like that?
What could be the goal behind all this madness that you have just summarized so well here?
You can control people, no matter what you want to achieve, through fear.
And then there is the famous divide-and-conquer principle.
In other words, you simply divide people into different regions.
Whether you scare the children about climate change and they all think that adults are too stupid to understand it and that
the world is turning into a bulging hell or something similar.
Older people, I'm going to say Udo Lindenberg, they belong to the risk group.
That means they go along with it. Because they're scared and belong to the risk group, they think they have to forget
their rocker life somewhere and all the things they used to do.
In other words, you create several battlefields from the outset - then we're at war now - on
which you can spread out to keep people in fear.
It doesn't matter what you use to keep people in fear.
Whether you keep people in fear through some knifemen that you have imported - in the end you have created what, to
return to the famous Mr. Hegel, is the Hegelian dialectic.
You are creating a problem for which you already have the solution.
So they already have the solution to all these problems.
And then in the end, people are grateful that they can access it.
They had already hoped for that with Corona. That went completely down the drain.
So in that sense, with our free media, we were actually able to achieve their actual goal of getting people to agree to getting
their injections regularly and staying at home and not going out anymore and not doing I
don't know what ... They wanted to do that.
They thought they would lock people up for a year, like in Australia or New Zealand.
And that's what they thought they could do everywhere, because the curative vaccination hasn't come yet.
And in the end, everyone would kiss their feet for coming up with this vaccination now.
Of course, you then have to repeat the vaccination over and over again ...
But of course they have plan B, C, D. You don't plan something like that.
And they have been doing this for a long time, so that you can implement this system at all, their idea of a new world order.
And actually, what we're seeing is a chess game between the two main players, Rockefeller and Rothschild, who are ultimately
pulling the strings behind these things, because the whole media side and the pharma side and the like, that's the Rockefeller
family, and the damage that's caused by that, so that you then have to undo that via loans and the
like and financing, that's the Rothschild company.
This means you can always see which of the two is currently in the lead.
For the last few years, decades, it's been the Rothschilds, and now Rockefeller just wants to take over the
chairmanship in this chess game they're playing here.
Sounds absurd, and is also very difficult to understand if you don't study the issues a little more intensively.
But the 201 event is actually quite interesting to see, because those who are involved in it, namely the Johns Hopkins
University, is the Rockefeller University, where he started to implement his program, so to speak, where he also demonized all
natural medicine, virtually all people, who had natural remedies or supplements or things like that to treat diseases very
successfully, they were demonized, they were persecuted, they were put in jail, they lost their license - I
didn't know all that until 2020, but then suddenly you get more time to take care of things.
Unbelievable, you did that and you as a vertigo specialist, with the vertigo practice, to draw the bow - I say, you are a
professional when it comes to fear, to loss of control, what would be your advice now perhaps also to the
viewer who is watching here now, what is your remedy for that? Do you have any medical advice?
Yes, well, what you want to try to do with the children about the influence with TikTok and all these videos, you keep people away
from the true information, that is, people forget to do their own research, they rely on some experts who then, the health expert
here and they only trust this expert, but not this one and that is, if you make yourself smart, if you do your own research, then
you come to your own conclusions and these conclusions are the ones that free you from fear in the end, that is, the more you
understand how the game works, the less you can be shocked, because if the next thing comes around the
corner tomorrow, then people like you and me will certainly think, oh no, not that again.
We've already had that here and there and there. That means the scripts are repetitive for us, but of course we have a knowledge
advantage here and my hope is that with the work that we both do, Kla.TV, the Sasek family, you and I with everything from the
mainstream or otherwise, that we will create a pool of knowledge and that people will also be able to watch our videos, you do it
the same way, you can watch all my videos, even if I have subscription models and the like, you can still watch all the
videos for free, you can access all the videos, you can distribute all the videos, you can
edit them, I don't claim any copyright on them.
So everyone can do what they want with my videos. It's similar with you.
In other words, I would actually like some young people, for example, to accidentally drop in on one of
the shows I'm doing - it's quite interesting what the old man is saying. Let's have a listen.
If it's one, then it's one and it's always one, you can see that from the reactions in the chat, who then also ask
and say, where can I watch this, where can I find this video, where can I find something similar?
So to arouse curiosity, that people question themselves and that is the famous Dunning-Kruger effect, that people who are actually
clever enough don't trust themselves to do that and those who are always at the forefront and say, yes, but
the coffins from Bergamo, they don't question themselves.
So you have to have people who question themselves, because only if you get people to ask
themselves questions will they make progress.
I try to do that too, I try to get people to question me as well.
There's no question about it, I certainly make mistakes, no discussion at all.
I try to correct my mistakes when I realize them, to say that I was wrong.
But that's the exciting thing and it's also one of my most important sayings that I keep repeating.
The nature of science is to constantly question what is believed to be certain.
That should also apply to journalism, that should also apply to life.
So the essence of life is to constantly question what we believe to be certain.
So things that I believed as a child are no longer true for me today.
I've already told you that my grandpa told me that if I wanted to catch a rabbit, I should sprinkle salt on its tail.
Then it would freeze and then I could catch it.
And as a child, I used to run after the rabbits with the salt shaker because I wanted to sprinkle salt on their tails.
At some point you should question what you believe to be safe and realize that it doesn't work.
My father told me that Mercedes has a built-in right of way - I believed it.
So in that respect, it's just exactly the same.
You have to come to the process, even as an adult, of questioning what you think is safe, no matter what it is.
Very good - wise words, I can confirm, I agree!
In other words, to summarize, we are also relying to a certain extent on responsible citizens who don't just sit there and wait
until the problem is solved, but rather we need responsible citizens who do their own research, who question,
who also look at what is really, shall I say, the truth.
I think we all have enough intuition somewhere within us to pursue this.
Somehow, many others have also succeeded.
My question, or rather an interesting one, is to briefly recall that the WEF has proclaimed 2024 as a major goal for the year
2024 - Ursula von der Leyen said in the opening speech, not climate change, not the wars,
not this and that, it's the misinformation!
In other words, Bodo, perhaps we can summarize this by saying that this fear has already fallen to a certain extent on the
originators - I'm talking about the WEF now, where you spoke earlier about the
simulation games, where they were heavily involved.
They seem to be so afraid that they see misinformation, which is really just the other
opinion, as the biggest problem, don't they?
Angela Merkel also once said that things have gone better in other countries where there aren't always
coronavirus demonstrations or lateral thinking demonstrations.
So of course people are aware of that, of course they're afraid that people like Joe Rogan in America or Alex Jones or
others or Ken Jebsen here, who was, let's say, the local hero.
And that is also a very blatant example of how people have been cut off, how their channels have simply been removed, how
their families have been threatened and so on and so forth.
These are all things where you have to say, okay, they're so afraid of us that they go to the trouble of getting articles
out or looking for something, then somehow take something from the Schiffmann again and put it in some newspaper.
I still appear, well, I still regularly appear in newspapers and then the doctor Dr. Schiffmann says, blablabla, one of the
leading figures of the corona movement or the lateral thinking movement - I never was, but I'm pleased that there is lateral
thinking and Michael Ballweg as the namesake of the whole thing.
I was at least once, but apart from that we always did our own thing and that's also a problem, because we're partisans.
So if you think about how long you and I have known each other, it's not that long, it's only through your song Power.
That pulled me in and that's how I got in touch and saw it, and they're all lone
fighters, which is of course incredibly difficult.
If you have a group now or if you only have one channel, it's incredibly difficult to flatten.
But we have so many, Legitim CH, Report24, Kla.TV, Klardenken, all sorts of things, we have so many people and there are more
and more independent reporters, podcasters, vloggers, it's a horror for these people because we've
basically taken over media sovereignty long ago.
Thankfully also thanks to Elon Musk - I am still no opponent of his.
What he is doing here with X is not paid opposition, because he is doing more harm than good to the powerful.
And what we're doing at the moment on X, for example my current affairs programs, are mainly seen on
X and the great thing about that is new customers.
These are people who haven't actually looked before, who say, what kind of person is that?
Yes, and then they listen to it, then maybe it's an interesting topic and then they stick
with it or there's some good music on my show.
You just have to beat the system at its own game.
In other words, if the main weapon of the system is the press - and that is the case - that means that the most important
propaganda instrument at all times has been the media, which has distributed something, whether it was the market crier in the
past or the propaganda minister in the Third Reich or I don't know, the "Aktuelle Kamera" in the GDR or whatever, that means
that the press is always the whip of the nation and if we now replace the press ourselves and set up a lot
of pirate stations here, then that is a real problem.
Yes, that's right, from all parts of the world, you can see that from all kinds of countries.
You just mentioned it, you yourself - now again for the viewer - after this whole story - to get into
the landing now - you left Germany, that's right, yes?
Yes, but the story is that we went on vacation and got stuck.
So we didn't want to leave Germany.
We had had a house search in the practice, the second one, and it was the carnival vacations in
Baden-Württemberg - there is such a thing - and then we said, come on, we have to get out of here now.
Because every time a car drove up, you thought they'd arrive again and then we flew to
Zanzibar with our family and actually only for a week.
And after a week we wanted to fly back and then we got the message from the school that
when we come back, it's still homeschooling.
That's when I said I wouldn't go back for homeschooling.
I can't do practice. I'm not going back for homeschooling.
And then one week turned into nine weeks and at some point we wanted to go back.
And then we said, let's take another look at the mainland, the area around Arusha.
And then we realized that the climate is much nicer.
Then we actually looked at international schools for a friend who was thinking about going there.
And there was an international school where my daughter went and did a trial week because she wanted to do it.
Our daughter said to us after that week, so no matter what happens in Germany, even if they are
back to normal, I want to finish my school here.
How nice. Oh, that's great.
Yes, in retrospect I understood that. So at first I really thought she was enthusiastic about the school.
No, she was so severely traumatized by this school, this Wilhelmi Gymnasium in Sinsheim, that she was virtually always set apart.
Every morning she was taken aside and told that your parents weren't really doctors and all that kind of stuff.
So she got psychological terror and in reality it was actually the fear that she would have
to go back to that class, to those teachers.
We didn't realize it at the time, but we thought, okay, what do we do now? We have a child here who is traumatized.
The situation in Germany kept moving towards swabs, masks and social distancing and nonsense,
and then we said, okay, we'll just stay here.
We were there again in June 2021 for a few weeks.
And then we wanted to take a sabbatical, asked the school board if we could take the children off for
a year so that we could come back and they said no.
They said the children had to go to school and then we asked a lawyer about the issue of school rights.
And he said that then you only have one option left and that option is that you deregister the children from
school in Germany, because then the children are no longer obliged to attend school in Germany.
The children were at school, they were in Tanzania.
But as I said, the German school authorities wanted to force us to send the children back to school there, they even
gave us a fine and all that nonsense and that's what happened.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this open and honest insight into your life, into everything that was before Corona,
how it developed through the media, but also through state reprisals and also how the
whole thing developed for you, the situation.
I think it's important for the viewer to be able to understand to some extent what the politicians here in Germany, who are always
shouting that we need more skilled workers and are doing everything possible to bring people into the country, are
driving the real skilled workers here to the brink of madness.
Just when the kids are having a hard time at school, searching your house, you don't want that, it's traumatizing.
Dear viewers, I would simply like to appeal to you once again, as we have just heard from Dr. Bodo Schiffmann, it is possible
that there is now a certain amount of fear among those responsible because some things are slipping out of their hands.
I think, Bodo, we can make a joint call for maturity, start doing our own research, really question things and
make sure that as many people as possible are made aware of them. Can we agree on that?
Yes, we can agree on this and we can also go one step further, which might make it easier to get started
if someone is watching here and is not yet convinced.
You should think again about the meaningfulness of the rules that were imposed on you in 2020.
The best example is when you go into a pub, you have to wear a mask, but if you sit down at a table with ten people and
sit directly opposite them, you can eat with them in peace.
If you then get up on your own and have to go to the toilet, you have to wear a mask.
Or a night-time curfew, but no problem traveling to work every day on public transport with 35 million people.
These are simply things that are highly interesting.
And banning alcohol at night, I'm not saying it's a great thing, that you should drink every night, but it makes no sense at all.
So obviously, if you drink alcohol at night, the virus gets stronger. At night, when no one is around.
So all these completely moronic rules, where you always had the feeling that someone was sitting there having
fun and saying, so next we'll tell them to put a bucket over their heads and see if they do it.
That's an entry point, to think about why someone is making such completely absurd rules, and then when you see
old videos of Christian Drosten and say, should I wear a mask? No, a mask doesn't help at all.
So the data, we can talk about that again separately, the data is very bad, he said at the time.
These are simply things that help you get started.
Maybe listen to your inner child again. So that you simply have a certain curiosity and ask why?
Why is the virus only active at a certain time of day? Why does the virus know what 1.50 meters is?
Why is the virus not contagious when sitting down?
We had that at demonstrations. You have to take it in.
On our bus tour, we drove all over Germany and the demonstrators who were sitting on the ground didn't have to wear masks.
And those who confessed ... You have to question things like that.
You just have to. That's the thing where you really have to say, if you don't have any data at all,
or why haven't you heard ambulances all the time?
Why were there no dead bodies on the street?
It is not the case, as Chancellor Kurz said in Austria, that sooner or later everyone will
know someone who died with or from coronavirus.
Didn't happen. You can look back now.
And when you look back and see all the data and the new studies that come out every day,
you have to say that the whole thing was a scam.
And why were we lied to? That's one of the things that annoyed me the most.
I don't like being lied to. Do you like being lied to?
That's one of the things I hate the most.
So here someone obviously lied to me and then you kept seeing the pictures of politicians standing together at the G7 summit.
A photo is taken, everyone has the mask on and then they immediately take it off and talk
to each other without keeping their distance.
And we've seen plenty of these things.
And then you see that the politicians themselves don't stick to it.
But why then do citizens have to comply and even pay fines?
And the whole thing was only possible because of this immense pressure from the press time and again and these attacks by
the press against the people who exposed themselves, because that was of course dangerous for this narrative, for this story.
I reached millions of people with the first videos and that was contained very quickly.
And today scientists say that if we hadn't been contained, many lives would have been saved.
Yes, exactly. Today there are completely different tactics.
Let me say with Shadowban, we are currently experiencing censorship in all directions, which is simply being implemented.
That's just a sign that something seems to be working from our side.
And from your side too, Bodo, you made a valuable contribution right from the start of the crisis.
As a doctor, as a doctor, as someone who had a lot to lose, you went there - that's how I see it - and really put everything
on the line. And we need more doctors like that, don't we?
Thank you very much, but I didn't know that. Once again, this is really important to me.
It is completely incomprehensible to me that if you speak your mind as a doctor, even if it is wrong, you
can run the risk of losing your livelihood in a country.
It would never have been conceivable to me that you would be fired from your practice premises or
something similar for having the wrong opinion.
Especially if you're a renowned doctor who doesn't have to deal with malpractice lawsuits every five minutes.
But you went this way, and you could have realized somewhere in between that things were getting tight.
So a retraction - I retract everything I said. You didn't.
You have gone straight ahead, and even now from abroad, under great reach, you are clearing up.
You help people to come into this maturity, to listen to their inner child.
I really liked the picture you used earlier.
And we would like to thank you very much for this interview and for the time you have taken for us.
We are sending you lots of strength and everything you need to Africa. And we'll stay in touch.
I would like to thank my wife and my family in this context, because I would have stopped after the Corona 12 video.
And she said, you don't stop, you keep going. And it was similar with Daniele Ganser, by the way.
His wife basically said to him too, no, you stick with it, even if it breaks our necks.
And to that extent, sometimes there is actually a strong woman behind the man.
I can say the same for myself, yes. Thank you very much, dear Bodo. Best regards.
Thank you, Mathias. Thank you, Kla.TV. Thank you, Sasek family.