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Idan muka duba hakan, wa ya kamata ya magance shi?

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Na kafa cibiyata tare da wasu abokan aiki, wanda ke nufin:

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Cibiyar bincike, sake kimantawa, gurfanar da masu laifi
a gaban shari'a da hana laifukan cin zarafin bil'adama.

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Mutane da yawa kullum suna tambaya, me ya sa
ake aikata laifukan ta'addanci kan bil'adama?

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Domin abin da muka fuskanta anan laifuka ne kan bil'adama.

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An yi wa mutane tsanani. Har yanzu ana tsananta wa likitoci.

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Ana tura likitoci gidan yari saboda yin aikinsu.

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Abokin aikina Rainer Fuellmich yana cikin
kurkuku a Göttingen. Shi ma babban malami ne.

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Sulhu zai iya faruwa ne kawai idan muka canza yanayin siyasa.

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Saboda yanayin siyasa da muke ciki, inda muke kawai mika
iko, ba zai taɓa kaiwa ga sake kimantawa yadda ya kamata ba.

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Domin, kamar yadda na ce, to masu aikata laifin
kansu za su tilasta su fuskanci abin da suka aikata.

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Babu wanda zai iya zato cewa waɗanda suka
aikata waɗannan laifukan ta'addanci kan ɗan

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adam za su tashi su ce: Eh, mu ne muka aikata.

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Yanzu muna so mu tsaya a gaban kotu, a gaban alkalai da mu kaɗai
muka zaɓa, a gaban masu gabatar da ƙara da mu

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kaɗai muka zaɓa, domin su yanke hukunci ko
abin da muka yi ya yi daidai ko ba daidai ba.

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Alkalan, waɗanda watanni uku da suka wuce, kafin a zubar da
fayilolin RKI, duk suka gaya mini cewa sun yi

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komai daidai a lokacin, yanzu kwatsam ana so su
sake duba komai... Wannan ma ba zai yi aiki ba.

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Zai yi aiki ne kawai idan... – kuma Ralf Boes ya sanar da
shi yanzu, kuma ni ma na yarda da Ralf Boes da sauran

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mutane da yawa. Don Allah duba shafin yanar gizon da ya ambata.

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Ina ganin ya kamata mu bi ta jihohin tarayya.

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Muna da kundin tsarin mulkinmu a kowace jiha ta tarayya.

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Kuma tunda su ne kundin tsarin mulki
daban-daban, kowanne daga cikin kundin tsarin mulkin jiha

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ta tarayya yana ba mu damar yin gyara a cikinsu.

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Muna da iko a hannayenmu. Kai kawai ba ka sani ba...

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A yau, ina maraba da lauya Ralf Ludwig cikin
armashi a cikin ɗakin studio ɗin Kla.TV ɗinmu.

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Sannu.

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A zanga-zangar da aka yi a Berlin, ka ce muna
da iko a hannunmu, amma ba ma san hakan ba.

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To, ni ma ban sani ba. Ban ma san
irin ikon da nake da shi a hannuna ba.

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Kuma ban ma san yadda ya kamata in yi tasiri
kan shawarwarin siyasa ba, yadda hakan ke aiki.

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Za ka iya taimaka mana, za ka iya taimaka
mini, za ka iya taimaka wa masu kallo kaɗan?

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Eh, a ka'ida ba shi da wahala sosai.

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Muna da jihohi tarayya 16 a Jamus, kuma kowace
jiha tarayya tana da kundin tsarin mulkinta.

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Kuma kowace kundin tsarin mulkin jiha – sai
dai na Hesse, amma a zahiri ciki har da na

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Hesse – tana tanadar da yiwuwar dokar jama'a.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa mutanen da ke zaune a
kowace jiha ta tarayya na iya kafa dokokinsu.

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Kuma ba wai kawai za su iya kafa dokoki ba, har ma
za su iya gyara kundin tsarin mulki na kowace jiha.

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Don haka za su iya canza dokokin zama tare, dokokin
tsarin, tsarin siyasa a cikin jihar tarayyarsu idan suna so.

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Wannan yana buƙatar wasu rinjaye. Wannan yana
nufin cewa koyaushe akwai matakai uku da ake ciki.

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Mataki na farko shi ne ƙoƙarin 'yan ƙasa. Wannan
yana nufin cewa ku ne kuka gabatar da ra'ayin.

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Dole ne ka tattara adadin kuri'u na musamman.

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Na biyu shi ne abin da ake kira referendum.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa dole ne ka tabbatar cewa
wasu mutane da yawa a ƙasar suna sha'awar wannan batu.

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Wannan koyaushe shi ne mataki mafi wuya, kuma da zarar ka shawo
kansa, sai ya zama kamar zabe, kamar yadda muka sani, Sa'an nan a

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ranar Lahadi, ana kiran mutane zuwa rumfunan zabe su je su kada
kuri'a kan wannan batun siyasa ko doka da ake gabatarwa ko wani

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abu makamancin haka, sannan su ce, a matsayin mutanen wannan
jiha ta tarayya, muna so ya kasance haka ko haka, ko muna so

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wannan doka ta wanzu, ko muna so wannan ƙa'ida ko wancan ƙa'ida.

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A ka'ida, an tanadar da wannan a
cikin kundin tsarin mulkin kowace jiha.

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Kuma hakan na nufin cewa idan muka so, za mu iya tsoma baki a
yanke shawarar siyasa da kanmu, maimakon kawai mu sanya alamar

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tantancewa a akwatin zaɓe duk bayan shekaru huɗu
ko biyar, sannan mu yi fatan mutanen da suka

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dace za su samu zaɓe su yanke shawarar da ta dace.

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Ah eh. Kuma kundin tsarin mulkin jihohi –
yanzu na ɗan rikice... Muna kuma da Dokar Asali.

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Menene wannan? Ta wata hanya, ba ya aiki a matakin
tarayya, yana aiki ne kawai a matakin jiha. Me ya sa haka?

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Eh, to, tabbas muna da Dokar Asali, kuma Dokar Asali a zahiri ana
kiran ta Dokar Asali – ba Kundin Tsarin

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Mulkin Jamus ko Tsarin Mulkin Jamus ba, sai dai
"Dokar Asali don Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus".

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Tabbas, akwai dalilai na tarihi a wannan.
Bayan Yaƙin Duniya na Biyu, an raba Jamus.

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An mamaye Jamus, an mamaye ta ta hannun ƙasashe
daban-daban, hakika ta hannun ƙasashe huɗu masu

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nasara, kuma a zahiri an raba Jamus ta yankuna.

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Wannan ya nuna cewa cikakken hadin kan
yankin Daular Jamus bai sake wanzuwa ba.

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Sai Yaƙin Sanyi ya fara, tsakanin Yamma da Gabas,
wato Rasha – kuma a wancan lokacin Tarayyar Soviet.

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Kuma ƙasashen Yamma sun yi ra'ayoyi daban-daban
kan yadda za a mu'amala da Jamus, yadda za a kula da

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ita, da kuma irin makomar da ya kamata ta kasance.

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Kuma eh, hakan ya haifar da kafa Jamhuriyar Tarayyar
Jamus a shekarar 1949, kuma Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus,

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tabbas, wani ɓangare ne kawai na dukan Daular Jamus.

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A wancan lokacin, har yanzu ana zato cewa a ƙarshe za a sami
mafita, mafita ga dukan Jamus, kuma shi ya sa ba a ƙirƙiri kundin

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tsarin mulki na Jamus ba, domin kundin tsarin mulkin zai
iya kasancewa ne kawai ga duk yankin Reich, tsohon yankin

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Reich, duk yankin Jamus, don haka aka kira shi Dokar Asali.

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Wannan a zahiri shi ne dokar asali ta ƙasashen
haɗin gwiwa guda uku masu nasara, wadda aka

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tattauna da 'yan siyasa a Herren-Chiemsee, kusan haka.

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Kuma wannan Dokar Asali ta tsira bayan sake haɗin ƙasa.

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Ko da a lokacin, duk da cewa an tanada hakan a cikin Dokar Asali,
ba a ƙirƙiri kundin tsarin mulki ga duk Jamus ba, sai dai an

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ci gaba da amfani da Dokar Asali a matsayin kundin tsarin mulki.

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Kuma kullum ina cewa kundin tsarin mulki zai iya zama
kundin tsarin mulki ne kawai idan yana da mai cikakken iko.

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Kuma mai iko ba shi ne, kamar yadda Carl Schmitt
kawai ya bayyana, wanda ke ayyana yanayin gaggawa

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ba, sai dai shi ne wanda zai iya canza ƙa'idoji.

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Kuma kundin tsarin mulkinmu bai
tanadi ba ga mutane su iya canza ƙa'idodi.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa Dokar Asali ba za ta iya
zama kundin tsarin mulki a wannan ma'anar ba,

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domin Dokar Asali ba ta amince da wata ikon mulki ba.

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Ko dai aikin mulki na 'yanci ɗaya tilo da
muka sani a matsayin 'yan ƙasa shi ne zaɓe –

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zaɓar Bundestag sau ɗaya a kowane shekaru huɗu.

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Kuma wannan shi ne kadai shiga da mutane
ke da shi a Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus.

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In ba haka ba, ba a shirya komai. Babu
wani doka da jama'a suka amince da shi.

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Ko da yake Sashe na 20 har yanzu ya tanadi cewa
sarki yana tantance manufofi ta hanyar zaɓe da

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kuri'un yankewa, a Jamus ba a gudanar da kuri'un yankewa.

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Babu dokar zabe, don haka babu kuri'a.

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Sai kuma Sashe na 146, wanda ya tanadi cewa mutanen
Jamus za su iya karɓar sabon tsarin mulki ko tsarin mulki.

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Yawancin lauyoyin kundin tsarin mulki suna cewa wannan sakin
layi ko wannan tanadi ba ya aiki, cewa wannan ƙa'ida ba ta aiki.

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Ana iya tattauna wannan sosai, amma a cikin kowace kundin tsarin
mulkin jiha a Jamus, akwai yiwuwar mutane su shiga kai tsaye

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cikin tsarin dokoki ta hanyar matakai uku da na ambata yanzu, su
kirkiri dokoki da kansu, kuma ta haka su canza ƙa'idoji da kansu.

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Kuma ba wai dokokin aiwatarwa kawai za su iya sauya dokoki ba,
har ma – kamar yadda na ce, tare da ɗan ƙaramin

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ambaton Hesse – za su iya sauya kundin tsarin mulki a
kowace jiha ta tarayya, wato sauya ƙa'idojin zaman su tare.

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Akwai ƙimomi guda biyu masu muhimmanci da dole ne a kiyaye.

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Wannan koyaushe shi ne ka'idar dimokuradiyya, wato duk wani
shawarar siyasa dole ne ta dogara ne akan ra'ayin mutane.

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Na biyu shi ne tabbacin darajar ɗan adam. Don haka ba za
mu canza ƙa'idoji ba ta yadda za a kawar da wannan tabbaci.

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Amma waɗannan ne kaɗai dokoki, kuma a cikin waɗannan dokoki,
mutane a kowace jiha ta tarayya za su iya yanke shawara da kansu.

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Don haka, misali, za mu iya yanke shawarar cewa ba ma son sake
zaben gwamnatin jiha ko majalisar dokokin jiha

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duk bayan shekaru biyar (daidai: hudu), sai
dai muna son mu zabe su duk bayan shekaru biyu.

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Ko kuma za mu iya yanke shawarar cewa ba ma son
gwamnatin jiha, amma majalisar dokokin jiha ta nada

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wasu masu gudanarwa don yin wasu ayyuka da sauransu.

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Za mu iya, a ka'ida, soke Majalisar Dokoki
idan muna da wani madadin da, maimakon

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wakiltar nufin dimokuradiyya, yake bayyana shi.

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Don haka za mu iya yin canje-canje da yawa,
amma kawai a matakin jiha, ba a matakin ƙasa ba.

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Eh, abin sha'awa ƙwarai. Kuma ta
yaya za a iya fara irin wannan tsari?

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Mu ɗauka cewa muna son canza wani abu a cikin wannan tsarin
siyasa gaba ɗaya, ko kuma muna son canza yadda ake naɗa alkalai,

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misali, ko ma masu gabatar da ƙara na gwamnati, domin kada
Ma'aikatar Shari'a ta ci gaba da naɗa su, sai mutane su naɗa su.

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Ta yaya za ka yi hakan? Ta yaya za ka ɗauki mataki?

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A takaice, kamar yadda na ce, duk dokoki, ciki har
da kundin tsarin mulkin jihohi, za a iya canza su.

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Kuma a ka'ida, kowa zai iya kawai ƙaddamar da wani
shiri; mutum ɗaya ko biyu za su iya ƙaddamar da wani shiri...

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…To, mu biyun?

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Za mu iya duka – to, watakila ba yanzu ba, domin
ba mu zauna a jiha ɗaya ba, amma a ka'ida, eh.

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Da mun zauna a cikin jiha ɗaya ta tarayya,
za mu iya kawai cewa muna son a canza doka.

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Sa'an nan mukan shirya kudurin doka, kamar
yadda muke tsammani – wato abin da muke yi.

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Mhm.

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Akwai kuma bambance-bambance. Hakanan za ku iya gabatar da
tambayoyi na jama'a, wanda ke nufin cewa

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Majalisar Dokoki dole ta yi mu'amala da wasu tambayoyi
kuma ta gudanar da zaman majalisa don magance batun.

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Amma yanzu, a ƙarƙashin dokar jama'a, mu biyun muna
rubuta kudiri, kamar yadda ake faɗa, sannan mu gabatar da shi,

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galibi ga kwamitin shugabanci na majalisar dokokin jiha.

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Sannan za a sanar da shi cikin sauƙi cewa ana ƙaddamar
da ƙoƙarin 'yan ƙasa a nan, tare da wannan canjin doka.

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Sa'an nan za mu iya fara tattara kuri'u
don wannan gyaran doka da muke da shi.

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Kuma da zarar mun kai wani adadin kuri'u – a mataki na farko,
adadin yana da ƙasa, a wasu ƙasashe kuwa kuri'u 6,000 ko

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5,000 ne kawai – da zarar mun samu waɗannan kuri'un, ana ba mu
izinin kaddamar da abin da ake kira jefa kuri'a ta gama gari.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa majalisar dokokin jiha za ta yi la'akari
da roƙon 'yan ƙasa sannan za ta iya amincewa da shi ko ta ƙi

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amincewa da shi. A wannan yanayin, ba za a yi kuri'ar jama'a ba.

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Sa'an nan sai a kai ga kuri'ar yankewa, kuma don kuri'ar
yankewa dole ne a tattara wasu adadin sa hannu cikin wani

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takamaiman lokaci, yawanci tsakanin watanni shida zuwa takwas.

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Kuma da zarar an zarce wannan adadin, majalisar
dokokin jiha za ta sake duba batun kuma ta

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yanke shawara ko za ta amince da shirin doka ko a'a.

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Kuma idan bai amince da shi ba, to za a
yi kuri'ar yarda, wadda take kamar zaɓe.

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Sa'an nan ana kiran 'yan ƙasa su jefa ƙuri'a a ranar Lahadi.

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Sannan ake cewa: To. Ana tambayar 'yan
ƙasa ko suna so wannan doka, eh ko a'a.

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Kamar yadda ka faɗa a zanga-zangar da aka yi a
Berlin, dole ne mutane su sake yanke shawarar ƙarshe.

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Don haka za a iya fara aiwatar da shi a
aikace ta waɗannan kundin tsarin mulkin ƙasa.

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Eh, daidai ne. A lokacin annobar coronavirus,
mun ga yadda siyasa ta mamaye rayuwar mutane.

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Kuma ina ganin dole ne ya yiwu ga mutane su
kare kansu daga waɗannan manufofin tsangwama.

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Kuma abin da na kwatanta yanzu, waɗannan
matakai, waɗannan matakai uku, suna ɗaukar har abada.

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Kuma har zuwa lokacin, tabbas ba za mu iya hana komai ba.

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Kuma shi ya sa shawarata ita ce mu fara da
rubuta abin da ake kira 'haƙƙin ƙin amincewa'

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a cikin dukkan kundin tsarin mulkin jihohi.

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Don haka a takaice muna cewa duk doka da duk ƙa'ida da gwamnatin
jiha ta kafa za su fara aiki a kalla bayan watanni uku.

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A cikin waɗannan watanni uku, mutanen da suka cika wani
ƙayyadadden adadi suna da lokaci don tattara sa hannu.

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Kuma idan sun tattara wasu sa hannu, ina tunanin kashi biyu da
rabi cikin ɗari na yawan jama'a, kodayake za a iya tsara shi ta

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wata hanya daban, to za a gudanar da jefa ƙuri'a kan wannan doka.

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Domin a lokacin kashi biyu da rabi cikin
ɗari ya nuna a fili cewa ba ma son wannan doka.

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Wanda ba ƙarami ba ne. Ina nufin, kashi biyar
cikin ɗari ƙungiya ce a majalisar dokokin jiha.

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Don haka a nan, kashi biyu da rabi
cikin ɗari suna cewa ba ma son wannan.

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Duk al'umma, wato 'yan ƙasa na kowace jiha ta tarayya,
su kada kuri'a ko suna son wannan doka ko wannan ƙa'ida.

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Amma idan dan majalisa ya gabatar da wani ƙa'ida ko doka – saboda
ya ce abu ne matuƙar gaggawa, dole mu yi shi da sauri

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yanzu – idan bai ba da wa'adin watanni uku ba, to
wajibi ne a jefa ƙuri'a kan wannan doka, kan wannan ƙa'ida.

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Don kada mu ƙare a cikin yanayi inda 'yan
majalisa ke hanzarta amincewa da dokoki.

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Kullum nake cewa idan mutane sun samu damar jefa
ƙuri'a kan buƙatar sanya maski, ba a gabatar da shi ba.

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Eh, buƙatar sanya maski an gabatar da ita kusan a cikin dare ɗaya
cikin wani aikin ɓoye-ɓoye, kuma wannan ne a

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farko ya haifar da tsoro wanda daga baya ya zama
sharadi ga mutane su yi allurar rigakafi, misali.

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Kuma dole ne mu ce cewa idan suna son su wuce dokoki a ɓoye,
kamar yadda ake cewa, waɗanda za su fara aiki cikin ɗan gajeren

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lokaci, to 'yan siyasa dole ne nan take kuma koyaushe
su miƙa wa mutane su kada kuri'a kan waɗannan

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dokokin, domin mutane su iya cewa "a'a" idan ya zama dole.

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Wannan shi ne wannan haƙƙin ƙin amincewa, ikon yanke
shawara na ƙarshe, kamar yadda nake faɗa koyaushe. Eh.

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Mutane za su iya cewa "a'a" kuma ba za
a iya yin abubuwa ta wannan hanya ba.

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Za mu iya yin hakan. Za mu iya
yin hakan a kowace jiha ta tarayya.

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Kuma hakan zai bayyana wa 'yan siyasa cewa
kowace doka da suka kafa – yanzu, misali, a matakin

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tarayya, shi ne waɗannan bashin da suka ɗauka.

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Amma, misali, za a iya cewa... Ko da akwai dokokin
tarayya, Majalisar Tarayya dole ta ba da amincewarta.

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Kuma idan mu, a matsayin al'ummar jihohin tarayya, mun
gaya wa gwamnati cewa ba su da izinin amincewa da

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wannan, to wadannan bashin, misali, ba za a taba ɗaukar su ba.

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Kuma mu, a matsayin al'umma, dole ne mu mallaki wannan iko, domin
kada mu kada kuri'a sau ɗaya kawai sannan mu rasa ikonmu kan abin

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da 'yan siyasa ke yi a kowane lamari, kan haɗin gwiwar da ake
kafa, kan yadda 'yan siyasa ke yanke shawara, amma

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mu, a matsayin 'yan ƙasa, mu iya faɗin a kowane
lokaci kan kowace matsalar siyasa, "Ba ma so hakan."

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Shin akwai shirye-shirye da suka riga sun fara,
kungiyoyi da ke aiki a wannan hanya, waɗanda suka ɗauki mataki?

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Eh, manufar dake bayan komai ita ce a
sanya shi gaba ɗaya ba tare da tsakiya ba.

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Don haka ba ma son wani irin ƙungiya ta tsakiya ta yi hakan.

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Maimakon haka, a takaice mun ce abubuwa
biyu ne suka fi muhimmanci a gare mu.

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Kungiyoyi da ƙungiyoyin da ke yin wannan dole ne su
mu'amala da juna ta hanyar dimokuradiyya a wani yanayi.

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Muna cewa, koyaushe ku yanke shawara bisa karɓa.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa idan muna son samun
dimokuradiyya ta gaskiya, dole ne mu fara

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aiwatar da ita da kanmu a ƙaramin mataki.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa ba za mu iya buƙatar
cewa al'ummarmu dole ta kasance dimokuraɗiyya ba.

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Kuma mu kanmu, a ƙaramin mataki, a yankin da muke
aiki, ba ma mu yi mu'amala da juna bisa

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dimokuradiyya, ba ma mu yi mu'amala da juna bisa karɓuwa.

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Don haka wannan muhimmin shawara ce a irin waɗannan yanayi.

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Kuma abin da ya zo na biyu shi ne mu yi la'akari da yadda za mu
iya ƙarfafa mutane da yawa gwargwadon iko don

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tabbatar da cewa an tattara isassun sa hannu don
irin wannan kuri'ar ra'ayi, ko a farko don roƙon.

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Kuma ya kamata a raba shi gaba ɗaya, a aiwatar da shi ta ƙananan
ƙungiyoyi waɗanda suka fi dacewa su yanke

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shawara a matakin gida fiye da kowa a tsakiya
game da matsaloli, abin sha'awa, da sauransu.

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Kuma akwai shirye-shirye da yawa da ake kafa a yanzu.

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Muna dai kawai muka ba da shawara muka ce, "Toh, ku yi wani abu."

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Kuma yanzu an gayyace mu zuwa Baden-Württemberg.

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Akwai babban zagaye na shirye-shirye da ke
son yin wannan, da ke son aiwatar da shi.

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Na iso daga Saxony-Anhalt ne kawai, ɗan gajeren lokaci
kafin wannan hira. Na kasance a Güsten a Saxony-Anhalt.

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Yawancin mambobi da ƙungiyoyin gunduma na ƙungiyar
matakin jama'a ta DieBasis, wadda ita ma ke sha'awar irin

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wannan dimokuradiyyar matakin jama'a, sun taru a wurin.

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Kuma daidai haka muke yi. A takaice, mun tattauna
dalilin da ya sa kowa ya kamata ya zaɓi zaɓi na asali.

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Kuma abin mamaki, hakan ne ainihin sakamakon:

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Domin mu ne a ƙarshe muke wakiltar irin wannan dimokuradiyyar
matasa – inda ake yanke shawara daga ƙasa zuwa sama, ba daga sama

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zuwa ƙasa ba, inda aka rarraba iko, inda duk
muhimman shawarwari ake yanke su a matakin gida,

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kuma kowa na da hannu a duk shawarwarin siyasa.

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Wannan a zahiri shi ne abin tallace-tallace na musamman na tushen.
Kuma muna son mu isar da wannan cikin ƙarfi ga duniya ta waje.

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To, ainihin wannan ra'ayi ne: ana yanke
shawara a matakin ƙasa, ba a matakin sama ba.

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Ba ma buƙatar ofishin hedkwata don yanke mana
shawara; maimakon haka, duk muhimman shawarwarin da

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ke shafar rayuwarmu ana yanke su ne a matakin gida.

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Kuma, a ka'ida, idan kana da babban fili da
sauransu, ana iya yanke shawara na gida tare,

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domin a samo shawarwari da suka dace da kowa.

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Eh, abin ban sha'awa sosai, domin kullum kana jin
mutane suna cewa waɗanda ke saman suna yin duk abin da suke

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so da mu kuma ba mu da abin da za mu iya yi game da shi.

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Dole ne su jure duk wannan, kamar ruwan sama da dusar ƙanƙara.

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Ana saki birkin bashi kuma ƙasarmu tana cikin faduwa kyauta.

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Amma abin ban sha'awa ne cewa a ƙarshe ana samun wata hanya.

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Me zan iya yi yanzu, misali, a ina zan iya
shiga idan ina sha'awar, kamar yadda ka ce,

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dawo da ikon da ya dace nawa? Me zan iya yi?

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To, da farko dai, ya isa kawai ka fara ƙungiya a unguwarku.

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Ko ba lallai ya kasance ƙungiya ba; muna kiran sa ƙwayar.

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Don haka kawai ku haɗu da abokai a
unguwarku – mafi kyau a unguwa – ku taru da mutane.

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Kuma karanta, misali, "Me Ya Sa
Akuya Ke Shuru?" na Rainer Mausfeld.

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Saboda Rainer Mausfeld ya yi nazari sosai a cikin wannan littafi
kan yadda tsarin siyasa namu ke aiki a zahiri, dalilin da ya sa

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ba mu da murya, da kuma dalilin da ya sa muke da
dimokuradiyyar wakilai wadda ba ta da alaƙa da

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dimokuradiyya kuma ba ta ba mu damar yanke shawara da kanmu.

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Menene ma'ana? Me Mista Mausfeld yake faɗa?

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To, Mista Mausfeld a takaice yana cewa wannan, a kafa
Tarayyar Amurka, kusan shi ne kundin tsarin mulki na

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farko, kundin tsarin mulki na farko na dimokuradiyya.

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To, akwai wasu muhawara game da hakan;
kundin tsarin mulkin Poland ya fi sauri.

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Amma kundin tsarin mulki na farko mai girma na
dimokuradiyya, tabbas, shi ne Kundin Tsarin Mulkin Amurka.

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Kuma Mahaifan Kasa na Amurka sun yi
muhawara a kan wannan a wancan lokacin:

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Shin muna son gabatar da dimokuradiyya kai tsaye, inda
muke shigar da mutane cikin yanke shawara, ko muna son

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dimokuradiyya ta wakilci – wadda a zahiri take karo da kanta?

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Dimokuradiyyar wakilci – ko dai wakilci ne
ko dimokuradiyya – don haka dimokuradiyyar

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wakilci, idan ka yi tunani sosai, wata karo ce.

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Kuma a wancan lokacin ne muka fahimci cewa idan muna da sahihin
iko na dimokuradiyya daga matakin talakawa, dukiyar masu arziki

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za ta shiga haɗari, domin matalauta na iya yanke shawara ta
dimokuradiyya cewa a raba kuɗin ko dukiyoyin ta wata hanya daban.

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Don haka, lallai tunani ne na tattalin arziki kawai.

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Sannan muka yi tunani kan yadda za mu iya ci gaba da kiran sa
dimokuradiyya, amma mu tsara shi ta yadda ba dimokuradiyya ba ne.

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Kuma wannan ita ce dimokuradiyyar wakilci da muke da ita yanzu.

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Don haka, kamar yadda na ce, abin da ka faɗa
yanzu, yadda mutane ke fuskantarsa, a zahiri haka yake.

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Waɗanda suke a saman suna yin wani abu
kuma ba za mu iya yanke shawara komai ba.

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Wannan ji ba ya yaudara, amma haka yake:
muna ɗaukar gicciyarmu, kuma haka kawai...

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Kuma ga shi nan, ba mu san komai ba kwata-kwata!

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Don haka duk wanda ya kada kuri'a ga CDU yanzu tabbas bai yi
tsammanin zai ƙare da manufofi mafi kore

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fiye da na baya ba tare da Jam'iyyar Kore ba,
wadda suka kada kuri'a don cire ta daga ofis.

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Wataƙila ba abin da mutane suka so ba ne.

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Ban sani ba, amma ina tsammanin ba su so ba; in ba haka
ba, da sun yi wa jam'iyyar Greens kuri'a maimakon CDU.

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Amma babu abin da za su iya yi. Yanzu za su
zauna a can na tsawon shekaru huɗu, sannan mutane

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za su ce, to, a karo na gaba za mu nuna musu.

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Amma ba za mu jefa kuri'a ga CDU a
wannan karon ba, za mu jefa kuri'a ga SPD.

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Wannan shi ne abin da muke fuskanta
koyaushe. Kuma daga nan babu abin da ya canza sake.

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Sa'an nan sai su yi matuƙar mamaki cewa
idan sauran suka zo, ba a sake wani canji ba.

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Saboda ba za mu iya tasiri kan
shawarwarin siyasa na kowane mutum ba.

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Kuma a ka'ida za mu iya yin hakan a ƙarƙashin
kundin tsarin mulkin jihohi, amma ba ma yin hakan.

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Rainer Mausfeld ya ce haka. Suna kama
da masu sihiri suna tsaye a gabansa.

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Wadannan ƙofofi suna wanzu, kuma masu sihiri da
masu yaudara suna tsaye a gabansu suna ɓoye su daga

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gare mu, duk da cewa za mu iya wucewa ta cikinsu.

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Kuma dimokuradiyyar wakilci za a iya kwatanta
ta a matsayin mulkin 'yan eliti, mulkin

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'yan zaɓe, aristokradiyya, ko duk yadda kake so.

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Saboda an ba mu damar zaɓar daga cikin wasu 'yan eliti
waɗanda za su mulke mu na tsawon shekaru huɗu masu zuwa.

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Amma a gaskiya ba mu da zaɓi mu canza komai.

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Za mu iya yin hakan ne kawai idan za mu iya tsoma
baki a cikin shawarwarin siyasa na kowane mutum.

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Kuma shingayen sun yi matuƙar tsawo. Wannan
shi ne abin da ba za mu iya yi a halin yanzu ba.

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Kuma ra'ayin 'yanci yana farawa da no.

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Don haka, game da wannan aikin da na kaddamar a Berlin, dole
ne a ce cewa muna buƙatar mika ikon yanke shawara, ikon

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yanke shawara na ƙarshe kan kowace matsalar siyasa, ga mutane.

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Dole ne mu yanke shawara: shin
muna son mu ɗaga na'urar hana bashi?

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Muna buƙatar mu yanke shawara kan yadda tsarin iliminmu yake.

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Dole ne mu yanke shawara kan yadda tsarin adalcinmu zai kasance.

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Dole ne mu yanke shawara kan yadda muke
son kuzarinmu da sauransu da sauransu.

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Za mu iya yanke duk waɗannan shawarwarin da kanmu.

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Kuma ina mai cewa babu mutum ɗaya da zai iya
yanke shawara mafi muni fiye da kowane

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ƙwararre ko duk wanda aka nada a matsayin ƙwararre.

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Ana maraba da su su ba da shawara da ra'ayinsu kan wannan batu.

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Amma a ganina, ina ganin ni cikakke ne wajen yanke
shawara da kaina, kuma ina amincewa kowa a Jamus zai yi haka.

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To, la'akari da manufofin 'yan shekarun nan, ya kamata
kowa ya gane cewa su kansu za su iya yin aiki mafi kyau.

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Don haka zan iya fara kafa reshe a
yankina kuma in ɗauki mataki a can.

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Amma a ina zan iya samun ƙarfafawa, misali, ko samun shawarwari?

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Shin akwai wani shafin yanar gizo inda za a iya
ƙarin koyo game da wannan? Za ka iya ba mu shawara?

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Don haka gidan yanar gizon bai shiga intanet ba
tukuna, amma "freiheit-beginnt-mit-nein.de" yana wanzu.

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Kamar yadda aka ce a nan: Yanci yana farawa da a'a.

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Wannan shafi ma na iya kasancewa a yanar
gizo kafin lokacin da aka wallafa wannan hira.

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A halin yanzu muna cikin matakan
ƙarshe na kammala shi. Bayani zai samu nan.

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Amma ra'ayin yana nan, kuma za a samu damar yin hulɗa.

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Amma za a shirya zaɓin haɗin kai ta
yadda za ku yi hulɗa ta hanyar analog.

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Kuma za a iya sake yin kwafin sa ta dijital. Don
haka ba ma son mutane su yi hanyar sadarwa ta dijital.

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Don haka mutane, kamar yadda muke fuskanta yanzu, su
rubuta juna a kafafen sada zumunta da sauransu, su bayyana

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fushinsu, su sami ra'ayoyi da yawa, su rubuta abubuwa da yawa.

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Maimakon haka, mutane suna buƙatar yin
hulɗa da juna a gida ta fuskar ganawa da juna.

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Kuma idan an haɗa su ta hanya ɗaya, za su iya
nuna a shafin yanar gizo cewa mu ƙungiya ne ko

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ƙungiya ƙarama, muna nan, muna son yin wani abu.

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Sannan za su iya neman taimako daga
wasu, su ba wasu taimako, da sauransu.

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Amma mu a mafi yawanci muna mai da
hankali ne kan hanyar sadarwa ta analog.

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Muna so mutane su yi hulɗa da juna a matakin gida, su fara
tattaunawa da juna, kuma su riƙe wannan ra'ayi a

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zuciya: za mu iya canza wannan al'umma ta
hanyar tara isassun sa hannu don wannan jefa ƙuri'a.

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Saboda wannan mataki na biyu yana da matuƙar wahala;
samun sa hannun mutane 200,000 yana da matuƙar wahala.

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A Saxony kuwa, adadin sa hannun mutane ya kai 450,000.

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Amma za mu iya yin hakan idan
mutane sun yi sadarwa da juna tun farko.

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Kuma ya kamata su yi muhawarar siyasa da juna.

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Amma su kuma ya kamata su koyi yadda za su ƙirƙiri fili don
muhawara – wani abu ne da Rainer Mausfeld ma ya ambata – inda

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za su iya tattauna batutuwa a fili, da adalci, da dimokuradiyya,
kuma inda har ma ra'ayoyi masu tsanani ake jurewa.

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Ba za a sami katanga-wuta ba. Ra'ayoyi masu tsanani
suna da muhimmanci wajen samar da ra'ayoyi a cikin

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dimokuradiyya. Ra'ayoyi masu tsanani ba sa taba rinjaye.

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Amma suna da muhimmanci domin samun ra'ayin
jama'a mai kyau da kuma cikakken wakilci na

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al'umma, ba tare da la'akari da girman al'ummar ba.

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Kuma wannan ne abin da mutane ke koya. Wannan
ra'ayinmu ne, cewa su fara tattaunawa da juna ta

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wannan hanya, domin su fahimta ta wannan hanya:

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Ta yaya muke yin shawara da kowa zai iya amincewa da ita?

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Kuma idan za mu iya yin shi a ƙaramin
mataki, to za mu iya yin shi a babban mataki ma.

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Eh, to, idan na fahimta daidai, yana da muhimmanci mu sake koyon
yadda za mu yi magana da juna, mu koyi jure ra'ayoyin wasu, mu

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koyi aiki tare don cimma buri guda, kuma mu
kasance a shirye mu ɗauki alhaki, mu kasance a shirye mu

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yanke shawara, mu fuskanci matsaloli da sauransu.

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Amma hakan ba yana nufin mika shi ga 'yan siyasa su yi
duk abin da suka ga dama da shi ba, sai dai maimaitawa:

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Tabbas ina da kwarin gwiwa, ina dawo da alhaki cikin hannayena.

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Abu mafi muhimmanci shi ne muhimmin batu.

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Ka ce a cikin jawabin ka cewa ba ka haɗa wani
muhimmin batu ba, ko a gaskiya mafi

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muhimmancin batu a gare ni, a cikin jerin batutuwan ka.

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Tabbas ka yi tunanin hakan, amma ba ka faɗa
ba, wato: Abu mafi muhimmanci ba shine mu yi

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magana da juna ba, amma shine mu saurari juna.

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Muna magana akai-akai. Misali, idan muna kallon irin waɗannan
shirye-shirye na tattaunawa da ake samu a ko'ina a talabijin,

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mutane da yawa suna magana. Amma babu wanda ke sauraron wani.

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Kuma tsarin da muke gabatarwa, wato muna ba da wata hanya ta
musamman ga ƙwayoyin halitta don su yanke shawara

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tare, wato ta hanyar gina daidaito na tsarin, a
asali yana game da sauraron juna a mataki na farko.

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Kowa na da damar iri ɗaya don bayyana kansa, kuma
babu wanda zai iya sukar wasu saboda abin da suka faɗa.

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Maimakon haka, bayanin yana nan. Don haka muna tambaya,
muna son warware matsala, sannan akwai amsoshi a kai.

316
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Kuma kowa na da izinin bayar da amsarsa,
kuma babu wanda ake yarda ya soki amsar wani.

317
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Kuma idan muka tambaya daga baya, yaya ƙarfin juriyarka?

318
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To, me kake ji a ciki idan ka ce wannan shi ne amsar
da ta dace ga wannan tambayar? Me kake ji a lokacin?

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Kuma shi ya sa ake cewa 'yanci yana farawa
da 'a'a'. Domin idan na ji wani abu ba shi

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da kyau a gare ni, dole ne in iya cewa 'a'a'.

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Dole ne in faɗa, bana so hakan – kamar yadda yake
game da allurar rigakafin coronavirus ko kuma sa mask.

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Idan na gane cewa ban so hakan ba, dole ne
in iya cewa a'a. Domin wannan 'yanci ne.

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Yanci shi ne samun ikon cewa: A'a,
bana so. Wannan ya shafe ni kaɗai.

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Kuma 'yanci koyaushe yana farawa da
'a'a'. Shi ya sa ake kiransa haka.

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Domin duk lokacin da na ce 'tsaya', ina jin ƙin yarda a
nan, sai ra'ayin rukuni ya samu, kuma na gane cewa ban so

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hakan ba, sai in ce: 'Tsaya, a'a, ban ji daɗin hakan ba!'

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Sa'an nan ƙungiyar ta saurara! Sa'an nan ƙungiyar ta fahimta:

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Toh, wannan mutumin yana jin zafi, don haka watakila ya kamata
mu canza shawararmu kaɗan domin ciwon dayan mutumin ya tafi.

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Kuma kwatsam ka sami mafita wadda duka
ƙungiya, ƙwayar halitta ko al'umma ta amince da ita.

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A ƙarshe, ikon yin veto ba komai ba ne face haka. Muna koyaushe
samun mafita da waɗanda abin ya shafa za su yarda da su.

331
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Saboda muna sauraron 'a'a' na duk
wanda ya ce, 'Ban ji daɗin hakan ba.'

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Wannan shi ne manufar da ke bayan sa. Kuma kowa zai iya yin sa.

333
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Amma kai kaɗai ne zaka iya yin hakan.

334
00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:26,074
Ba za mu iya tsara ko raba wannan aikin ba ta
kowace hanya, amma za mu iya ƙarfafa shi kawai.

335
00:27:26,074 --> 00:27:30,569
Kuma mutane suna yin hakan. Kuma za mu
iya aiwatar da hakan a cikin al'umma ma.

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Eh. Ka ambata cewa ba mu da dimokuradiyya ta
gaskiya saboda muna da dimokuradiyya ta wakilci.

337
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Yanzu ka kuma ambata, a ƙarshen wannan hira, amma ka gaya mini
cewa akwai matsaloli game da waɗannan zaɓukan, cewa ba a gudanar

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da su cikin dimokuraɗiyya ba. A bayyane an yi wasu magudi.

339
00:27:56,897 --> 00:28:08,180
Da farko, za ka iya sake bayyana mini da masu kallo abin da ya
bayyana ko aka sani, da yadda za a iya magance shi a nan gaba?

340
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Don haka, da farko dai, aiki ɗaya tilo da ake
ba wa sarki izinin yin sa a Jamus shi ne (zaɓe).

341
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Na ce a baya cewa, a ganina, ba sarki
bane, domin ba a yarda ya canza ƙa'idodi ba.

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Amma haka lamarin yake: aikin kadaici kawai
da sarki ake ba shi izinin yi shi ne jefa

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ƙuri'a, wato saka alamar giciye a takardar zaɓe.

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Kuma hakan yana nufin cewa dole ne a tabbatar cewa aƙalla
wannan aikin sarki yana nuna abin da ake nufi a zahiri.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa ya kamata mu yi tunani da
gaske, to, muna cikin Jamus, kuma Jamus ƙasa ce

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mai dimokuradiyya kuma ƙasa ce mai tsarin mulki.

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Kuma a Jamus, za a gudanar da wannan tsarin zabe cikin tsari.

348
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Ba ma buƙatar mu yi magana game da sarrafawa kwata-kwata.

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Da farko dai, za mu iya magana kan cewa babu wani
tsari kwata-kwata da zai iya aiki yadda ya kamata.

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Lokacin da Jami'in Dawowa na Tarayya ya sanar
da sakamakon ƙarshe na wucin gadi a yamma, ba

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ta san adadin gundumomin zaɓe da ke Jamus ba.

352
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Ba ta san hakan ba. An ba da rahoto a kansu. Amma
dole ne ta karɓi duk rahotannin da suka shigo,

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amma ba ta san hakan ba. Ba ta da cikakken bayani.

354
00:29:12,097 --> 00:29:17,129
Don haka idan ka tambaye ta a ranar da ta gabata
kafin zaɓen nawa ne mazabun da mutane za su yi zaɓe a

355
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ciki gobe, ba za ta iya faɗa ba saboda ba ta sani ba.

356
00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:27,573
Don haka akwai yankunan zaɓe X, kuma
babu wanda ya san inda suke kafin zaɓen.

357
00:29:27,573 --> 00:29:30,355
Ba a da rajistar mazabu ta tsakiya.

358
00:29:30,355 --> 00:29:36,047
To, ta yaya za ka duba sakamakon idan ba ka ma san inda
mutane ke jefa ƙuri'a ba, ko nawa ne mutanen da ke

359
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jefa ƙuri'a, ko yaya suke jefa ƙuri'a? Babu wanda ya sani.

360
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:45,401
Wato, mun kafa wannan ƙungiya mai
suna WABEO, wadda ke nufin lura da zaɓe.

361
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A gaskiya an yi niyyar ƙaddamar da shi a watan Satumba, a
lokacin da aka tsara zaɓen gama gari, sannan sai

362
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waɗanda suka yi shi suka haɗa shi daga tushe cikin watanni uku.

363
00:29:55,234 --> 00:29:59,452
Ina tsammanin kun yi hira anan da
Stephanie Tsomakaeva, wadda ta fara wannan duka.

364
00:29:59,452 --> 00:30:06,733
Don haka, wata mace ce mai ƙarfi sosai
wadda ta yi aiki tuƙuru don ganin ya yi nasara.

365
00:30:06,733 --> 00:30:14,530
Kuma mutane sun yi rijista, don haka kun san cewa su mutane ne na
gaske, ba wasu zombies na kafafen sada zumunta ko bots ko wani

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abu makamancin haka ba, amma mutane na gaske – waɗanda dole ne
su yi rijista kuma a tabbatar da rijistarsu – sun lura da zaɓen.

367
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Gabaɗaya mutane 3,700 ne ke cikin tafiya – wani abu
da ba a taɓa faruwa ba a tarihin Jamhuriyar Tarayyar

368
00:30:27,288 --> 00:30:30,171
Jamus – domin ganin yadda zaɓen ke gudana a zahiri.

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00:30:30,171 --> 00:30:33,696
Kuma yanzu akwai wasu ƙa'idodi da za a bi yayin kada kuri'a.

370
00:30:33,696 --> 00:30:43,359
Misali, cibiyar zabe tana buɗe daga ƙarfe 8 na safe zuwa ƙarfe 6
na yamma, zaɓen sirri ne, babu talla ko sanarwar zaɓe a cikin ko

371
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:53,453
kusa da cibiyar zabe, ba a ba mutane shawara kan wanda za su zaɓa
a cibiyar zabe, kuma ba a yarda kowa ya shiga rumfar zabe ba.

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00:30:53,453 --> 00:30:58,220
Ko daga baya, ana rufe shi da ƙarfe 6 na yamma,
kuma ba a ƙidaya kuri'un ba kafin ƙarfe 6 na yamma.

373
00:30:58,220 --> 00:31:01,314
Ana ba mutane izinin kasancewa a wurin da kallon dukkan tsarin.

374
00:31:01,314 --> 00:31:04,423
Kuma daga baya, bayan an ƙidaya kuri'un, ana
kuma ba mutane izinin kasancewa a wurin da kallo.

375
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Kula ta yadda za su ga abin da ke faruwa.

376
00:31:07,111 --> 00:31:14,158
Kuma idan an ƙididdige duk kuri'un, kwamitin zaɓe na
wannan mazaba dole ne ya sanar da sakamakon zaɓen a fili.

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Dole ne ya sanar da sakamakon zaɓe a cibiyar zaɓensa domin jama'a
su san cewa waɗannan su ne sakamakon zaɓe,

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wanda daga baya nake ba da rahoto ga babban
jami'i na gaba, yawanci jami'in dawowa na gunduma.

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Kuma an samu rashin daidaito.

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Daidai. Kuma yanzu ga batun.

381
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Yanzu akwai rashin daidaito da yawa.

382
00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:36,305
Waɗannan su ne ka'idodin asali na zaɓe, zaɓen dimokuraɗiyya.

383
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Ga shi nan. Da farko dai, dole ne a ce mun sami
martani mai yawa, wanda abin matuƙar farin ciki ne.

384
00:31:44,033 --> 00:31:48,305
Kuma za mu iya cewa a cikin kashi 80% na
ra'ayoyin da aka bayar, komai ya tafi daidai.

385
00:31:48,305 --> 00:31:55,931
A cikin kashi 80% na mazabu, kamar yadda muka
sani a yanzu, an gudanar da zaben yadda ya kamata.

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00:31:55,931 --> 00:31:59,494
Don haka an kiyaye duk waɗannan ƙa'idodin
asali, ƙa'idodi da ƙa'idodin zaɓe. A cikin

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kashi 20 cikin ɗari na lokuta, hakan bai faru ba.

388
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:09,099
A cikin kashi 20 cikin ɗari na lokuta, sun rufe rumfunan zaɓe
da ƙarfe 5:30 na yamma, sun kore masu lura da zaɓe domin ba sa

389
00:32:09,099 --> 00:32:12,853
son su kasance a wurin, sannan suka mayar da su mita 20 nesa.

390
00:32:12,853 --> 00:32:17,351
Wasu daga cikin waɗannan rumfunan
zaɓe a zahiri gidajen motsa jiki ne.

391
00:32:17,351 --> 00:32:22,533
Sannan aka matsar da su mita ashirin ƙarin nesa, inda
tabbas ba za ka iya ganin abin da ke faruwa a kowane tumpu ba.

392
00:32:22,533 --> 00:32:26,072
A wasu lokuta, ba su sanar da
sakamakon zaben da murya mai ƙarfi ba.

393
00:32:26,072 --> 00:32:30,840
Eh, abubuwa da yawa sun faru a can
waɗanda bai kamata a bari su faru ba.

394
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:38,634
Kuma idan muka yi la'akari yanzu cewa kawancen Sahra Wagenknecht
na da ƙuri'u 9,000 kacal ƙasa da abin da suke buƙata don shiga

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00:32:38,634 --> 00:32:46,183
Bundestag, to a ka'ida, a cikin waɗannan, wato jimillar, mu na
da ƙuri'u ne kawai, waɗanda muka riga muka bayar da rahoto a

396
00:32:46,183 --> 00:32:50,533
kansu, a mazabu 300 ne inda irin waɗannan kurakurai suka faru.

397
00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:55,986
300, kamar yadda muka ruwaito,
mazabu 300 suna da waɗannan matsaloli.

398
00:32:55,986 --> 00:33:03,629
Kuma har yanzu ba mu san dukkan adadin masu zabe a waɗannan
mazabu ba, amma daga cikin waɗanda muka sani, akwai kuri'u 99,000

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00:33:03,629 --> 00:33:10,966
kaɗai inda waɗannan matsalolin suka kasance irin su da ba za mu
iya, a ka'ida, tabbatar da ko sakamakon da aka tura sune

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00:33:10,966 --> 00:33:18,884
sakamakon da aka yi wa kuri'a a zahiri ba, saboda, kamar yadda
na ce, ba a ma sanar da sakamakon zaben a wannan mazaba ba.

401
00:33:18,884 --> 00:33:26,042
Wannan yana nufin muna da ƙuri'u 99,000, aƙalla
ƙuri'u 99,000; idan ka yi ƙiyasin hakan – mun duba

402
00:33:26,042 --> 00:33:29,108
mazabu 3,000 kawai, kuma akwai kusan mazabu 90,000.

403
00:33:29,108 --> 00:33:33,790
Idan ka yi ƙiyasin hakan, za ka ga
girman da muke magana a kai anan.

404
00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:37,640
Ba sai an yi wata magudi ba, babu
wanda ya yaudare ko wani abu daban.

405
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Amma a ka'ida, ba mu da wata hanya ta tabbatar ko abin da
ya iso ofishin Babban Jami'in Dawowa na Tarayya a cikin

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dare shi ne ainihin sakamakon da aka samu a matakin yanki.

407
00:33:47,337 --> 00:33:51,220
Kuma ba a sake kirga kuri'u ko wani abu makamancin
haka ba. Don haka, a ka'ida, babban wasan lotiri ne.

408
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:55,340
Don haka ba mu san ko kawancen Sahra
Wagenknecht na da kashi biyar cikin ɗari ko a'a ba.

409
00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:59,865
Ina tsammanin suna da kashi biyar cikin ɗari, amma
ba za a iya tabbatar da hakan ba saboda, idan aka yi

410
00:33:59,865 --> 00:34:02,558
la'akari da tsarin, ba zaɓe ne na dimokuraɗiyya ba.

411
00:34:02,558 --> 00:34:09,357
Kuma idan, misali, ba a sanar da sakamakon wannan zaɓen ba, ta
yaya za mu san ko sakamakon da aka bayyana daga

412
00:34:09,357 --> 00:34:15,996
baya ya yi daidai, ko kuwa wani ya ƙara wasu takardun
zaɓe kaɗan ko ya cire wasu kaɗan, ko wani abu daban.

413
00:34:15,996 --> 00:34:19,108
Ba mu sani ba, domin ana saka kayan cikin takardun leda.

414
00:34:19,108 --> 00:34:24,424
A gefe guda, abin da ya biyo baya shi ne cewa wasu takardun
kuri'u ba a saka su cikin takardun leda masu hatimi yadda ake

415
00:34:24,424 --> 00:34:28,378
buƙata ba, sai dai an saka su cikin jakunkuna
da aka rufe da igiyoyin roba, wanda hakan ke

416
00:34:28,378 --> 00:34:31,138
nufin ana iya buɗe su a canza su a kowane lokaci.

417
00:34:31,138 --> 00:34:34,305
Kada ka yi zato cewa suna yin
hakan. Amma yana yiwuwa suna yin hakan.

418
00:34:34,305 --> 00:34:41,322
Kuma ba za mu iya, a cikin zaben dimokuradiyya, ko da
ba da tunanin cewa abin da ya faru ba daidai ba ne.

419
00:34:41,322 --> 00:34:46,543
Musamman idan, kamar yadda na ce, muna da
bambanci na €9,000 kawai ga Sahra Wagenknecht.

420
00:34:46,543 --> 00:34:47,478
kuri'u 9,000!

421
00:34:47,478 --> 00:34:50,000
kuri'u 9,000, daidai. Bambanci na kuri'u 9,000.

422
00:34:50,000 --> 00:35:00,080
Kuma ainihin haka yake. Wannan yana nufin cewa zaɓukanmu, ban
san yadda zan faɗa ba, amma tabbas ba na dimokuraɗiyya ba ne.

423
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,760
Ba sa daidaito, ba sa a iya fahimta, ba sa bayyane.

424
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,869
Har zuwa irin wannan babban mataki,
lallai da gaske yana da alaka da umarnin.

425
00:35:10,869 --> 00:35:17,767
Kuma wannan yanzu an kafa shi a karon farko
godiya ga sa ido na tsari kan zabe da WABEO ta yi.

426
00:35:17,767 --> 00:35:23,463
Kuma zan iya yin wata alaƙa guda ɗaya? Mun
yi magana ne game da kuri'un yankewa a baya.

427
00:35:23,463 --> 00:35:32,384
Amma idan yanzu mun san cewa ana gudanar da waɗannan kuri'un raba
kawuna kamar zaɓe, kuma mun san cewa ba a tantance sakamakon su

428
00:35:32,384 --> 00:35:38,469
cikin adalci ba, kuma muna magana ne game da
rinjaye masu matuƙar muhimmanci a nan – kan

429
00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:42,159
batun ko za a gyara kundin tsarin mulki ko a'a – to

430
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,503
Daidai ne, wannan shi ne tambayata.

431
00:35:44,503 --> 00:35:48,354
Daidai ne, wannan tambaya ɗaya. Don gyara kundin
tsarin mulki, muna buƙatar cika yawan halarta.

432
00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:52,549
Wato, wani adadin 'yan ƙasa da suka halarci wannan zaɓe.

433
00:35:52,549 --> 00:35:56,471
Sannan dole ne a sami wani takamaiman
rinjaye a cikin wannan adadin mahalarta.

434
00:35:56,471 --> 00:36:02,679
Don haka, idan kawai ka rage ƙaramin yawan kuri'un da ake bukata
ta wannan hanya – wato, a ka'ida muna da rinjaye na biyu bisa uku

435
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:08,601
don gyaran kundin tsarin mulki, amma ka ce, eh, amma abin takaici
mutane 39.8 cikin ɗari ne kawai suka jefa ƙuri'a, ba kashi

436
00:36:08,601 --> 00:36:12,049
40 cikin ɗari ba – to wannan gyaran kundin tsarin mulki ya gaza.

437
00:36:12,049 --> 00:36:19,216
Eh, kuma ba za mu iya sarrafa shi ba idan sakamakon zabe, yawan
masu jefa ƙuri'a da sauransu Wato, ba a sanar da sakamakon a

438
00:36:19,216 --> 00:36:26,159
wannan cibiyar zabe a bainar jama'a, kuma muna da aƙalla mutum
ɗaya a kowace cibiyar zabe ko a kowace ƙaramar hukumar zabe wanda

439
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:31,746
ke sauraro, rubuta shi, sannan ya ba mu sakamakon
domin mu duba; sakamakon da aka ƙarshe tantancewa shi

440
00:36:31,746 --> 00:36:35,604
ne ainihin sakamakon da suka sanar a cibiyoyin zabe.

441
00:36:35,604 --> 00:36:40,198
Don haka, domin mu sami hanyarmu zuwa dimokuradiyya kai tsaye.

442
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:52,495
Domin mu ma mu yi la'akari da canza kundin tsarin mulkin
ƙasa, dole ne mu tabbatar muna aiki sosai wajen sa ido kan zaɓe.

443
00:36:52,495 --> 00:36:56,456
Don haka, idan na fahimta daidai, ana
buƙatar masu lura da zaɓe a ko'ina.

444
00:36:56,456 --> 00:36:58,317
Eh, ka tambaya a baya abin da zan iya yi.

445
00:36:58,317 --> 00:37:06,409
Banda kafa wannan ƙungiya, wanda ke buƙatar ƙoƙari mai yawa,
tabbas zan ba da shawarar ziyartar shafin yanar gizo wabeo.de.

446
00:37:06,409 --> 00:37:09,686
Shekara mai zuwa, ina tsammani, za a
gudanar da zaɓen jihohi a Baden-Württemberg,

447
00:37:09,686 --> 00:37:11,851
Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania da Saxony-Anhalt.

448
00:37:11,851 --> 00:37:19,616
Za a yi lura da waɗannan zaɓukan a faɗin ƙasar a karon farko.

449
00:37:19,616 --> 00:37:24,893
Za ka iya yin rijista a can, tabbatar
da ainihinka, kuma yana kashe fam 6.50.

450
00:37:24,893 --> 00:37:28,790
Yuro 6.50 saboda akwai wannan tsarin
tabbatarwa, wanda yake da ɗan rikitarwa, amma yana

451
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:32,323
bayyana a fili cewa akwai mutum na gaske a bayansa.

452
00:37:32,323 --> 00:37:35,948
Sannan za mu iya duba komai gaba ɗaya:

453
00:37:35,948 --> 00:37:40,336
Shin abin da aka sanar a ƙarshe shin shi ne
sakamakon da ya fito a rumfunan zaɓe, ko a

454
00:37:40,336 --> 00:37:43,542
gundumomin zaɓe? Kuma hakan yana da matuƙar ban sha'awa.

455
00:37:43,542 --> 00:37:50,468
Kuma watakila ba haka lamarin yake ba – wata mai kula da gunduma,
ita ce magajiyar garin Speyer, wadda wani mai lura da zabe ya

456
00:37:50,468 --> 00:37:56,575
rubuto mata wasiƙa – dole ne in ambaci wannan a nan a matsayin
ƙaramar magana... A gaskiya, ba ƙaramin labari ba

457
00:37:56,575 --> 00:38:02,824
ne, abin takaici ne ƙwarai – yana ƙorafi kan yadda aka
yi masa a matsayin mai lura da zaɓe a cibiyar zaɓe.

458
00:38:02,824 --> 00:38:09,798
Sai kuma wannan magajin garin Speyer, a matsayinta na
jami'ar dawowa na gunduma, ta rubuta amsa tana cewa, a

459
00:38:09,798 --> 00:38:13,568
ganinta, abin matuƙar muni ne mutane su zo su kalli zaɓe.

460
00:38:13,568 --> 00:38:19,693
Domin hakan a zahiri zai nuna cewa ba a gudanar
da zaɓukan yadda ya kamata, ta haka yana rushe

461
00:38:19,693 --> 00:38:23,012
halaccin dimokuraɗiyarmu. Ka yi tunanin hakan.

462
00:38:23,012 --> 00:38:29,184
Fasalin jama'a na zaɓe ɗaya ne daga cikin
muhimman ka'idodin dokar zaɓenmu da ƙa'idodin zaɓe.

463
00:38:29,184 --> 00:38:37,110
Sa'an nan kuma wata ƙwararriyar jami'ar dawowa ta zaɓe ta gunduma
ta zo ta ce cewa, a ganinta, gaskiyar cewa wani na son kallo

464
00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:43,652
zaɓen, cewa wani na son duba ko abin da ke faruwa a
nan – abin da muke kiran shi aiki na ikon kai, aikin

465
00:38:43,652 --> 00:38:47,543
ikon kai guda ɗaya – ana gudanar da shi yadda ya kamata.

466
00:38:47,543 --> 00:38:54,871
Zai yi kama da ba su yarda da su
ba, kawai saboda suna tsaye a wurin.

467
00:38:54,871 --> 00:38:57,168
Kuma haka lamarin yake. Ka yi tunanin hakan kawai.

468
00:38:57,168 --> 00:39:05,507
Magajiyar gari tana da irin wannan ra'ayi game da
mutanen da suka sa ta shiga wannan mukami tun farko.

469
00:39:05,507 --> 00:39:10,613
Mai ban sha'awa sosai. Mai kyau sosai. Mista
Ludwig, na gode ƙwarai da gaske da ka yi magana da mu!

470
00:39:10,613 --> 00:39:17,590
Gaskiya ya kasance abin buɗe ido. Fiye da komai, yanzu za
ka iya ganin matakan da kowane mutum zai iya ɗauka a zahiri.

471
00:39:17,590 --> 00:39:21,766
Da farko, za ka iya shiga cikin lura da zaɓe.

472
00:39:21,766 --> 00:39:24,910
Ina tsammanin za ka iya tuntuɓar WABEO.

473
00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:31,457
Sa'an nan za ka iya kawai ganin yadda za ka iya
ƙirƙirar ƙungiya ko shiga wata ƙungiya da ta riga ta wanzu.

474
00:39:31,457 --> 00:39:35,074
Sa'an nan za ka iya kawai yin hakan. Yanci yana farawa da 'a'a'.

475
00:39:35,074 --> 00:39:42,439
Ina ganin yanzu kun ba mu wasu matakai na
farko kan yadda za mu aiwatar da wannan,

476
00:39:42,439 --> 00:39:46,863
domin 'yan ƙasa su sake samun iko a hannayensu.

477
00:39:46,863 --> 00:39:50,012
Na gode ƙwarai da gaske da wannan hira mai buɗe ido!

478
00:39:50,012 --> 00:39:51,637
Na gode ƙwarai da gaske da kuka ba ni damar kasancewa anan.