WEBVTT 00:01.445 --> 00:03.398 Idan muka duba hakan, wa ya kamata ya magance shi? 00:03.398 --> 00:07.406 Na kafa cibiyata tare da wasu abokan aiki, wanda ke nufin: 00:07.406 --> 00:15.367 Cibiyar bincike, sake kimantawa, gurfanar da masu laifi a gaban shari'a da hana laifukan cin zarafin bil'adama. 00:15.367 --> 00:18.960 Mutane da yawa kullum suna tambaya, me ya sa ake aikata laifukan ta'addanci kan bil'adama? 00:18.960 --> 00:22.992 Domin abin da muka fuskanta anan laifuka ne kan bil'adama. 00:22.992 --> 00:26.671 An yi wa mutane tsanani. Har yanzu ana tsananta wa likitoci. 00:26.671 --> 00:32.880 Ana tura likitoci gidan yari saboda yin aikinsu. 00:39.648 --> 00:46.420 Abokin aikina Rainer Fuellmich yana cikin kurkuku a Göttingen. Shi ma babban malami ne. 00:52.401 --> 00:59.131 Sulhu zai iya faruwa ne kawai idan muka canza yanayin siyasa. 00:59.131 --> 01:06.315 Saboda yanayin siyasa da muke ciki, inda muke kawai mika iko, ba zai taɓa kaiwa ga sake kimantawa yadda ya kamata ba. 01:06.315 --> 01:10.039 Domin, kamar yadda na ce, to masu aikata laifin kansu za su tilasta su fuskanci abin da suka aikata. 01:10.039 --> 01:15.511 Babu wanda zai iya zato cewa waɗanda suka aikata waɗannan laifukan ta'addanci kan ɗan 01:15.511 --> 01:18.726 adam za su tashi su ce: Eh, mu ne muka aikata. 01:18.726 --> 01:26.262 Yanzu muna so mu tsaya a gaban kotu, a gaban alkalai da mu kaɗai muka zaɓa, a gaban masu gabatar da ƙara da mu 01:26.262 --> 01:32.712 kaɗai muka zaɓa, domin su yanke hukunci ko abin da muka yi ya yi daidai ko ba daidai ba. 01:32.712 --> 01:40.876 Alkalan, waɗanda watanni uku da suka wuce, kafin a zubar da fayilolin RKI, duk suka gaya mini cewa sun yi 01:40.876 --> 01:49.118 komai daidai a lokacin, yanzu kwatsam ana so su sake duba komai... Wannan ma ba zai yi aiki ba. 01:49.118 --> 01:57.531 Zai yi aiki ne kawai idan... – kuma Ralf Boes ya sanar da shi yanzu, kuma ni ma na yarda da Ralf Boes da sauran 01:57.531 --> 02:03.381 mutane da yawa. Don Allah duba shafin yanar gizon da ya ambata. 02:03.381 --> 02:06.420 Ina ganin ya kamata mu bi ta jihohin tarayya. 02:06.420 --> 02:10.826 Muna da kundin tsarin mulkinmu a kowace jiha ta tarayya. 02:10.826 --> 02:15.272 Kuma tunda su ne kundin tsarin mulki daban-daban, kowanne daga cikin kundin tsarin mulkin jiha 02:15.272 --> 02:17.615 ta tarayya yana ba mu damar yin gyara a cikinsu. 02:17.615 --> 02:21.037 Muna da iko a hannayenmu. Kai kawai ba ka sani ba... 02:21.037 --> 02:27.779 A yau, ina maraba da lauya Ralf Ludwig cikin armashi a cikin ɗakin studio ɗin Kla.TV ɗinmu. 02:27.779 --> 02:28.815 Sannu. 02:28.815 --> 02:36.974 A zanga-zangar da aka yi a Berlin, ka ce muna da iko a hannunmu, amma ba ma san hakan ba. 02:36.974 --> 02:41.006 To, ni ma ban sani ba. Ban ma san irin ikon da nake da shi a hannuna ba. 02:41.006 --> 02:47.969 Kuma ban ma san yadda ya kamata in yi tasiri kan shawarwarin siyasa ba, yadda hakan ke aiki. 02:47.969 --> 02:53.715 Za ka iya taimaka mana, za ka iya taimaka mini, za ka iya taimaka wa masu kallo kaɗan? 02:53.715 --> 02:55.620 Eh, a ka'ida ba shi da wahala sosai. 02:55.620 --> 03:03.316 Muna da jihohi tarayya 16 a Jamus, kuma kowace jiha tarayya tana da kundin tsarin mulkinta. 03:03.316 --> 03:10.105 Kuma kowace kundin tsarin mulkin jiha – sai dai na Hesse, amma a zahiri ciki har da na 03:10.105 --> 03:13.761 Hesse – tana tanadar da yiwuwar dokar jama'a. 03:13.761 --> 03:19.136 Wannan yana nufin cewa mutanen da ke zaune a kowace jiha ta tarayya na iya kafa dokokinsu. 03:19.136 --> 03:23.215 Kuma ba wai kawai za su iya kafa dokoki ba, har ma za su iya gyara kundin tsarin mulki na kowace jiha. 03:23.215 --> 03:32.074 Don haka za su iya canza dokokin zama tare, dokokin tsarin, tsarin siyasa a cikin jihar tarayyarsu idan suna so. 03:32.074 --> 03:37.449 Wannan yana buƙatar wasu rinjaye. Wannan yana nufin cewa koyaushe akwai matakai uku da ake ciki. 03:37.449 --> 03:40.769 Mataki na farko shi ne ƙoƙarin 'yan ƙasa. Wannan yana nufin cewa ku ne kuka gabatar da ra'ayin. 03:40.769 --> 03:43.230 Dole ne ka tattara adadin kuri'u na musamman. 03:43.230 --> 03:45.371 Na biyu shi ne abin da ake kira referendum. 03:45.371 --> 03:51.402 Wannan yana nufin cewa dole ne ka tabbatar cewa wasu mutane da yawa a ƙasar suna sha'awar wannan batu. 03:51.402 --> 03:58.238 Wannan koyaushe shi ne mataki mafi wuya, kuma da zarar ka shawo kansa, sai ya zama kamar zabe, kamar yadda muka sani, Sa'an nan a 03:58.238 --> 04:04.968 ranar Lahadi, ana kiran mutane zuwa rumfunan zabe su je su kada kuri'a kan wannan batun siyasa ko doka da ake gabatarwa ko wani 04:04.968 --> 04:11.380 abu makamancin haka, sannan su ce, a matsayin mutanen wannan jiha ta tarayya, muna so ya kasance haka ko haka, ko muna so 04:11.380 --> 04:14.577 wannan doka ta wanzu, ko muna so wannan ƙa'ida ko wancan ƙa'ida. 04:14.577 --> 04:18.022 A ka'ida, an tanadar da wannan a cikin kundin tsarin mulkin kowace jiha. 04:18.022 --> 04:23.538 Kuma hakan na nufin cewa idan muka so, za mu iya tsoma baki a yanke shawarar siyasa da kanmu, maimakon kawai mu sanya alamar 04:23.538 --> 04:27.527 tantancewa a akwatin zaɓe duk bayan shekaru huɗu ko biyar, sannan mu yi fatan mutanen da suka 04:27.527 --> 04:30.482 dace za su samu zaɓe su yanke shawarar da ta dace. 04:30.482 --> 04:39.757 Ah eh. Kuma kundin tsarin mulkin jihohi – yanzu na ɗan rikice... Muna kuma da Dokar Asali. 04:39.757 --> 04:47.028 Menene wannan? Ta wata hanya, ba ya aiki a matakin tarayya, yana aiki ne kawai a matakin jiha. Me ya sa haka? 04:47.028 --> 04:52.835 Eh, to, tabbas muna da Dokar Asali, kuma Dokar Asali a zahiri ana kiran ta Dokar Asali – ba Kundin Tsarin 04:52.835 --> 04:57.780 Mulkin Jamus ko Tsarin Mulkin Jamus ba, sai dai "Dokar Asali don Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus". 04:57.780 --> 05:03.037 Tabbas, akwai dalilai na tarihi a wannan. Bayan Yaƙin Duniya na Biyu, an raba Jamus. 05:03.037 --> 05:09.272 An mamaye Jamus, an mamaye ta ta hannun ƙasashe daban-daban, hakika ta hannun ƙasashe huɗu masu 05:09.272 --> 05:12.279 nasara, kuma a zahiri an raba Jamus ta yankuna. 05:12.279 --> 05:16.927 Wannan ya nuna cewa cikakken hadin kan yankin Daular Jamus bai sake wanzuwa ba. 05:16.927 --> 05:25.021 Sai Yaƙin Sanyi ya fara, tsakanin Yamma da Gabas, wato Rasha – kuma a wancan lokacin Tarayyar Soviet. 05:25.021 --> 05:30.109 Kuma ƙasashen Yamma sun yi ra'ayoyi daban-daban kan yadda za a mu'amala da Jamus, yadda za a kula da 05:30.109 --> 05:33.001 ita, da kuma irin makomar da ya kamata ta kasance. 05:33.001 --> 05:41.610 Kuma eh, hakan ya haifar da kafa Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus a shekarar 1949, kuma Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus, 05:41.610 --> 05:45.850 tabbas, wani ɓangare ne kawai na dukan Daular Jamus. 05:45.850 --> 05:52.594 A wancan lokacin, har yanzu ana zato cewa a ƙarshe za a sami mafita, mafita ga dukan Jamus, kuma shi ya sa ba a ƙirƙiri kundin 05:52.594 --> 05:58.696 tsarin mulki na Jamus ba, domin kundin tsarin mulkin zai iya kasancewa ne kawai ga duk yankin Reich, tsohon yankin 05:58.696 --> 06:02.313 Reich, duk yankin Jamus, don haka aka kira shi Dokar Asali. 06:02.313 --> 06:08.743 Wannan a zahiri shi ne dokar asali ta ƙasashen haɗin gwiwa guda uku masu nasara, wadda aka 06:08.743 --> 06:12.698 tattauna da 'yan siyasa a Herren-Chiemsee, kusan haka. 06:12.698 --> 06:15.903 Kuma wannan Dokar Asali ta tsira bayan sake haɗin ƙasa. 06:15.903 --> 06:22.874 Ko da a lokacin, duk da cewa an tanada hakan a cikin Dokar Asali, ba a ƙirƙiri kundin tsarin mulki ga duk Jamus ba, sai dai an 06:22.874 --> 06:26.495 ci gaba da amfani da Dokar Asali a matsayin kundin tsarin mulki. 06:26.495 --> 06:32.464 Kuma kullum ina cewa kundin tsarin mulki zai iya zama kundin tsarin mulki ne kawai idan yana da mai cikakken iko. 06:32.464 --> 06:36.787 Kuma mai iko ba shi ne, kamar yadda Carl Schmitt kawai ya bayyana, wanda ke ayyana yanayin gaggawa 06:36.787 --> 06:39.040 ba, sai dai shi ne wanda zai iya canza ƙa'idoji. 06:39.040 --> 06:43.276 Kuma kundin tsarin mulkinmu bai tanadi ba ga mutane su iya canza ƙa'idodi. 06:43.276 --> 06:47.396 Wannan yana nufin cewa Dokar Asali ba za ta iya zama kundin tsarin mulki a wannan ma'anar ba, 06:47.396 --> 06:49.812 domin Dokar Asali ba ta amince da wata ikon mulki ba. 06:49.812 --> 06:54.050 Ko dai aikin mulki na 'yanci ɗaya tilo da muka sani a matsayin 'yan ƙasa shi ne zaɓe – 06:54.050 --> 06:56.440 zaɓar Bundestag sau ɗaya a kowane shekaru huɗu. 06:56.440 --> 07:00.280 Kuma wannan shi ne kadai shiga da mutane ke da shi a Jamhuriyar Tarayyar Jamus. 07:00.280 --> 07:03.534 In ba haka ba, ba a shirya komai. Babu wani doka da jama'a suka amince da shi. 07:03.534 --> 07:09.456 Ko da yake Sashe na 20 har yanzu ya tanadi cewa sarki yana tantance manufofi ta hanyar zaɓe da 07:09.456 --> 07:13.120 kuri'un yankewa, a Jamus ba a gudanar da kuri'un yankewa. 07:13.120 --> 07:17.026 Babu dokar zabe, don haka babu kuri'a. 07:17.026 --> 07:24.218 Sai kuma Sashe na 146, wanda ya tanadi cewa mutanen Jamus za su iya karɓar sabon tsarin mulki ko tsarin mulki. 07:24.218 --> 07:29.038 Yawancin lauyoyin kundin tsarin mulki suna cewa wannan sakin layi ko wannan tanadi ba ya aiki, cewa wannan ƙa'ida ba ta aiki. 07:29.038 --> 07:38.658 Ana iya tattauna wannan sosai, amma a cikin kowace kundin tsarin mulkin jiha a Jamus, akwai yiwuwar mutane su shiga kai tsaye 07:38.658 --> 07:48.407 cikin tsarin dokoki ta hanyar matakai uku da na ambata yanzu, su kirkiri dokoki da kansu, kuma ta haka su canza ƙa'idoji da kansu. 07:48.407 --> 07:54.360 Kuma ba wai dokokin aiwatarwa kawai za su iya sauya dokoki ba, har ma – kamar yadda na ce, tare da ɗan ƙaramin 07:54.360 --> 08:00.600 ambaton Hesse – za su iya sauya kundin tsarin mulki a kowace jiha ta tarayya, wato sauya ƙa'idojin zaman su tare. 08:00.600 --> 08:03.733 Akwai ƙimomi guda biyu masu muhimmanci da dole ne a kiyaye. 08:03.733 --> 08:08.952 Wannan koyaushe shi ne ka'idar dimokuradiyya, wato duk wani shawarar siyasa dole ne ta dogara ne akan ra'ayin mutane. 08:08.952 --> 08:15.798 Na biyu shi ne tabbacin darajar ɗan adam. Don haka ba za mu canza ƙa'idoji ba ta yadda za a kawar da wannan tabbaci. 08:15.798 --> 08:21.501 Amma waɗannan ne kaɗai dokoki, kuma a cikin waɗannan dokoki, mutane a kowace jiha ta tarayya za su iya yanke shawara da kansu. 08:21.501 --> 08:26.039 Don haka, misali, za mu iya yanke shawarar cewa ba ma son sake zaben gwamnatin jiha ko majalisar dokokin jiha 08:26.039 --> 08:29.112 duk bayan shekaru biyar (daidai: hudu), sai dai muna son mu zabe su duk bayan shekaru biyu. 08:29.112 --> 08:34.790 Ko kuma za mu iya yanke shawarar cewa ba ma son gwamnatin jiha, amma majalisar dokokin jiha ta nada 08:34.790 --> 08:37.855 wasu masu gudanarwa don yin wasu ayyuka da sauransu. 08:37.855 --> 08:43.697 Za mu iya, a ka'ida, soke Majalisar Dokoki idan muna da wani madadin da, maimakon 08:43.697 --> 08:47.284 wakiltar nufin dimokuradiyya, yake bayyana shi. 08:47.284 --> 08:53.370 Don haka za mu iya yin canje-canje da yawa, amma kawai a matakin jiha, ba a matakin ƙasa ba. 08:53.370 --> 08:57.721 Eh, abin sha'awa ƙwarai. Kuma ta yaya za a iya fara irin wannan tsari? 08:57.721 --> 09:08.435 Mu ɗauka cewa muna son canza wani abu a cikin wannan tsarin siyasa gaba ɗaya, ko kuma muna son canza yadda ake naɗa alkalai, 09:08.435 --> 09:19.438 misali, ko ma masu gabatar da ƙara na gwamnati, domin kada Ma'aikatar Shari'a ta ci gaba da naɗa su, sai mutane su naɗa su. 09:19.438 --> 09:22.353 Ta yaya za ka yi hakan? Ta yaya za ka ɗauki mataki? 09:22.353 --> 09:27.587 A takaice, kamar yadda na ce, duk dokoki, ciki har da kundin tsarin mulkin jihohi, za a iya canza su. 09:27.587 --> 09:32.040 Kuma a ka'ida, kowa zai iya kawai ƙaddamar da wani shiri; mutum ɗaya ko biyu za su iya ƙaddamar da wani shiri... 09:32.040 --> 09:32.760 …To, mu biyun? 09:32.760 --> 09:39.345 Za mu iya duka – to, watakila ba yanzu ba, domin ba mu zauna a jiha ɗaya ba, amma a ka'ida, eh. 09:39.345 --> 09:44.876 Da mun zauna a cikin jiha ɗaya ta tarayya, za mu iya kawai cewa muna son a canza doka. 09:44.876 --> 09:49.989 Sa'an nan mukan shirya kudurin doka, kamar yadda muke tsammani – wato abin da muke yi. 09:49.989 --> 09:50.454 Mhm. 09:50.454 --> 09:56.431 Akwai kuma bambance-bambance. Hakanan za ku iya gabatar da tambayoyi na jama'a, wanda ke nufin cewa 09:56.431 --> 10:02.977 Majalisar Dokoki dole ta yi mu'amala da wasu tambayoyi kuma ta gudanar da zaman majalisa don magance batun. 10:02.977 --> 10:10.529 Amma yanzu, a ƙarƙashin dokar jama'a, mu biyun muna rubuta kudiri, kamar yadda ake faɗa, sannan mu gabatar da shi, 10:10.529 --> 10:15.055 galibi ga kwamitin shugabanci na majalisar dokokin jiha. 10:15.055 --> 10:23.495 Sannan za a sanar da shi cikin sauƙi cewa ana ƙaddamar da ƙoƙarin 'yan ƙasa a nan, tare da wannan canjin doka. 10:23.495 --> 10:28.845 Sa'an nan za mu iya fara tattara kuri'u don wannan gyaran doka da muke da shi. 10:28.845 --> 10:34.960 Kuma da zarar mun kai wani adadin kuri'u – a mataki na farko, adadin yana da ƙasa, a wasu ƙasashe kuwa kuri'u 6,000 ko 10:34.960 --> 10:41.490 5,000 ne kawai – da zarar mun samu waɗannan kuri'un, ana ba mu izinin kaddamar da abin da ake kira jefa kuri'a ta gama gari. 10:41.490 --> 10:48.053 Wannan yana nufin cewa majalisar dokokin jiha za ta yi la'akari da roƙon 'yan ƙasa sannan za ta iya amincewa da shi ko ta ƙi 10:48.053 --> 10:51.579 amincewa da shi. A wannan yanayin, ba za a yi kuri'ar jama'a ba. 10:51.579 --> 10:58.548 Sa'an nan sai a kai ga kuri'ar yankewa, kuma don kuri'ar yankewa dole ne a tattara wasu adadin sa hannu cikin wani 10:58.548 --> 11:02.438 takamaiman lokaci, yawanci tsakanin watanni shida zuwa takwas. 11:02.438 --> 11:08.450 Kuma da zarar an zarce wannan adadin, majalisar dokokin jiha za ta sake duba batun kuma ta 11:08.450 --> 11:12.016 yanke shawara ko za ta amince da shirin doka ko a'a. 11:12.016 --> 11:17.185 Kuma idan bai amince da shi ba, to za a yi kuri'ar yarda, wadda take kamar zaɓe. 11:17.185 --> 11:19.697 Sa'an nan ana kiran 'yan ƙasa su jefa ƙuri'a a ranar Lahadi. 11:19.697 --> 11:24.313 Sannan ake cewa: To. Ana tambayar 'yan ƙasa ko suna so wannan doka, eh ko a'a. 11:24.313 --> 11:30.904 Kamar yadda ka faɗa a zanga-zangar da aka yi a Berlin, dole ne mutane su sake yanke shawarar ƙarshe. 11:30.904 --> 11:40.079 Don haka za a iya fara aiwatar da shi a aikace ta waɗannan kundin tsarin mulkin ƙasa. 11:40.079 --> 11:48.009 Eh, daidai ne. A lokacin annobar coronavirus, mun ga yadda siyasa ta mamaye rayuwar mutane. 11:48.009 --> 11:53.665 Kuma ina ganin dole ne ya yiwu ga mutane su kare kansu daga waɗannan manufofin tsangwama. 11:53.665 --> 11:58.813 Kuma abin da na kwatanta yanzu, waɗannan matakai, waɗannan matakai uku, suna ɗaukar har abada. 11:58.813 --> 12:01.563 Kuma har zuwa lokacin, tabbas ba za mu iya hana komai ba. 12:01.563 --> 12:05.854 Kuma shi ya sa shawarata ita ce mu fara da rubuta abin da ake kira 'haƙƙin ƙin amincewa' 12:05.854 --> 12:08.258 a cikin dukkan kundin tsarin mulkin jihohi. 12:08.258 --> 12:15.399 Don haka a takaice muna cewa duk doka da duk ƙa'ida da gwamnatin jiha ta kafa za su fara aiki a kalla bayan watanni uku. 12:15.399 --> 12:21.399 A cikin waɗannan watanni uku, mutanen da suka cika wani ƙayyadadden adadi suna da lokaci don tattara sa hannu. 12:21.399 --> 12:27.641 Kuma idan sun tattara wasu sa hannu, ina tunanin kashi biyu da rabi cikin ɗari na yawan jama'a, kodayake za a iya tsara shi ta 12:27.641 --> 12:30.115 wata hanya daban, to za a gudanar da jefa ƙuri'a kan wannan doka. 12:30.115 --> 12:33.065 Domin a lokacin kashi biyu da rabi cikin ɗari ya nuna a fili cewa ba ma son wannan doka. 12:33.065 --> 12:36.774 Wanda ba ƙarami ba ne. Ina nufin, kashi biyar cikin ɗari ƙungiya ce a majalisar dokokin jiha. 12:36.774 --> 12:39.375 Don haka a nan, kashi biyu da rabi cikin ɗari suna cewa ba ma son wannan. 12:39.375 --> 12:47.860 Duk al'umma, wato 'yan ƙasa na kowace jiha ta tarayya, su kada kuri'a ko suna son wannan doka ko wannan ƙa'ida. 12:47.860 --> 12:54.267 Amma idan dan majalisa ya gabatar da wani ƙa'ida ko doka – saboda ya ce abu ne matuƙar gaggawa, dole mu yi shi da sauri 12:54.267 --> 13:00.213 yanzu – idan bai ba da wa'adin watanni uku ba, to wajibi ne a jefa ƙuri'a kan wannan doka, kan wannan ƙa'ida. 13:00.213 --> 13:06.122 Don kada mu ƙare a cikin yanayi inda 'yan majalisa ke hanzarta amincewa da dokoki. 13:06.122 --> 13:12.568 Kullum nake cewa idan mutane sun samu damar jefa ƙuri'a kan buƙatar sanya maski, ba a gabatar da shi ba. 13:12.568 --> 13:17.777 Eh, buƙatar sanya maski an gabatar da ita kusan a cikin dare ɗaya cikin wani aikin ɓoye-ɓoye, kuma wannan ne a 13:17.777 --> 13:22.818 farko ya haifar da tsoro wanda daga baya ya zama sharadi ga mutane su yi allurar rigakafi, misali. 13:22.818 --> 13:29.270 Kuma dole ne mu ce cewa idan suna son su wuce dokoki a ɓoye, kamar yadda ake cewa, waɗanda za su fara aiki cikin ɗan gajeren 13:29.270 --> 13:34.421 lokaci, to 'yan siyasa dole ne nan take kuma koyaushe su miƙa wa mutane su kada kuri'a kan waɗannan 13:34.421 --> 13:37.568 dokokin, domin mutane su iya cewa "a'a" idan ya zama dole. 13:37.568 --> 13:41.512 Wannan shi ne wannan haƙƙin ƙin amincewa, ikon yanke shawara na ƙarshe, kamar yadda nake faɗa koyaushe. Eh. 13:41.512 --> 13:46.918 Mutane za su iya cewa "a'a" kuma ba za a iya yin abubuwa ta wannan hanya ba. 13:46.918 --> 13:49.424 Za mu iya yin hakan. Za mu iya yin hakan a kowace jiha ta tarayya. 13:49.424 --> 13:55.381 Kuma hakan zai bayyana wa 'yan siyasa cewa kowace doka da suka kafa – yanzu, misali, a matakin 13:55.381 --> 13:58.384 tarayya, shi ne waɗannan bashin da suka ɗauka. 13:58.384 --> 14:04.434 Amma, misali, za a iya cewa... Ko da akwai dokokin tarayya, Majalisar Tarayya dole ta ba da amincewarta. 14:04.434 --> 14:09.519 Kuma idan mu, a matsayin al'ummar jihohin tarayya, mun gaya wa gwamnati cewa ba su da izinin amincewa da 14:09.519 --> 14:12.535 wannan, to wadannan bashin, misali, ba za a taba ɗaukar su ba. 14:12.535 --> 14:19.254 Kuma mu, a matsayin al'umma, dole ne mu mallaki wannan iko, domin kada mu kada kuri'a sau ɗaya kawai sannan mu rasa ikonmu kan abin 14:19.254 --> 14:24.998 da 'yan siyasa ke yi a kowane lamari, kan haɗin gwiwar da ake kafa, kan yadda 'yan siyasa ke yanke shawara, amma 14:24.998 --> 14:31.239 mu, a matsayin 'yan ƙasa, mu iya faɗin a kowane lokaci kan kowace matsalar siyasa, "Ba ma so hakan." 14:31.239 --> 14:38.910 Shin akwai shirye-shirye da suka riga sun fara, kungiyoyi da ke aiki a wannan hanya, waɗanda suka ɗauki mataki? 14:38.910 --> 14:41.871 Eh, manufar dake bayan komai ita ce a sanya shi gaba ɗaya ba tare da tsakiya ba. 14:41.871 --> 14:44.376 Don haka ba ma son wani irin ƙungiya ta tsakiya ta yi hakan. 14:44.376 --> 14:49.246 Maimakon haka, a takaice mun ce abubuwa biyu ne suka fi muhimmanci a gare mu. 14:49.246 --> 14:56.332 Kungiyoyi da ƙungiyoyin da ke yin wannan dole ne su mu'amala da juna ta hanyar dimokuradiyya a wani yanayi. 14:56.332 --> 14:58.480 Muna cewa, koyaushe ku yanke shawara bisa karɓa. 14:58.480 --> 15:02.917 Wannan yana nufin cewa idan muna son samun dimokuradiyya ta gaskiya, dole ne mu fara 15:02.917 --> 15:05.160 aiwatar da ita da kanmu a ƙaramin mataki. 15:05.160 --> 15:08.805 Wannan yana nufin cewa ba za mu iya buƙatar cewa al'ummarmu dole ta kasance dimokuraɗiyya ba. 15:08.805 --> 15:13.314 Kuma mu kanmu, a ƙaramin mataki, a yankin da muke aiki, ba ma mu yi mu'amala da juna bisa 15:13.314 --> 15:16.277 dimokuradiyya, ba ma mu yi mu'amala da juna bisa karɓuwa. 15:16.277 --> 15:21.503 Don haka wannan muhimmin shawara ce a irin waɗannan yanayi. 15:21.503 --> 15:27.669 Kuma abin da ya zo na biyu shi ne mu yi la'akari da yadda za mu iya ƙarfafa mutane da yawa gwargwadon iko don 15:27.669 --> 15:33.605 tabbatar da cewa an tattara isassun sa hannu don irin wannan kuri'ar ra'ayi, ko a farko don roƙon. 15:33.605 --> 15:38.504 Kuma ya kamata a raba shi gaba ɗaya, a aiwatar da shi ta ƙananan ƙungiyoyi waɗanda suka fi dacewa su yanke 15:38.504 --> 15:43.092 shawara a matakin gida fiye da kowa a tsakiya game da matsaloli, abin sha'awa, da sauransu. 15:43.092 --> 15:46.490 Kuma akwai shirye-shirye da yawa da ake kafa a yanzu. 15:46.490 --> 15:50.772 Muna dai kawai muka ba da shawara muka ce, "Toh, ku yi wani abu." 15:50.772 --> 15:53.537 Kuma yanzu an gayyace mu zuwa Baden-Württemberg. 15:53.537 --> 16:00.670 Akwai babban zagaye na shirye-shirye da ke son yin wannan, da ke son aiwatar da shi. 16:00.670 --> 16:08.037 Na iso daga Saxony-Anhalt ne kawai, ɗan gajeren lokaci kafin wannan hira. Na kasance a Güsten a Saxony-Anhalt. 16:08.037 --> 16:13.748 Yawancin mambobi da ƙungiyoyin gunduma na ƙungiyar matakin jama'a ta DieBasis, wadda ita ma ke sha'awar irin 16:13.748 --> 16:16.936 wannan dimokuradiyyar matakin jama'a, sun taru a wurin. 16:16.936 --> 16:24.436 Kuma daidai haka muke yi. A takaice, mun tattauna dalilin da ya sa kowa ya kamata ya zaɓi zaɓi na asali. 16:24.436 --> 16:28.022 Kuma abin mamaki, hakan ne ainihin sakamakon: 16:28.022 --> 16:35.496 Domin mu ne a ƙarshe muke wakiltar irin wannan dimokuradiyyar matasa – inda ake yanke shawara daga ƙasa zuwa sama, ba daga sama 16:35.496 --> 16:40.824 zuwa ƙasa ba, inda aka rarraba iko, inda duk muhimman shawarwari ake yanke su a matakin gida, 16:40.824 --> 16:43.897 kuma kowa na da hannu a duk shawarwarin siyasa. 16:43.897 --> 16:48.740 Wannan a zahiri shi ne abin tallace-tallace na musamman na tushen. Kuma muna son mu isar da wannan cikin ƙarfi ga duniya ta waje. 16:48.740 --> 16:53.311 To, ainihin wannan ra'ayi ne: ana yanke shawara a matakin ƙasa, ba a matakin sama ba. 16:53.311 --> 16:58.662 Ba ma buƙatar ofishin hedkwata don yanke mana shawara; maimakon haka, duk muhimman shawarwarin da 16:58.662 --> 17:01.554 ke shafar rayuwarmu ana yanke su ne a matakin gida. 17:01.554 --> 17:07.623 Kuma, a ka'ida, idan kana da babban fili da sauransu, ana iya yanke shawara na gida tare, 17:07.623 --> 17:10.140 domin a samo shawarwari da suka dace da kowa. 17:10.140 --> 17:17.926 Eh, abin ban sha'awa sosai, domin kullum kana jin mutane suna cewa waɗanda ke saman suna yin duk abin da suke 17:17.926 --> 17:22.037 so da mu kuma ba mu da abin da za mu iya yi game da shi. 17:22.037 --> 17:24.623 Dole ne su jure duk wannan, kamar ruwan sama da dusar ƙanƙara. 17:24.623 --> 17:29.944 Ana saki birkin bashi kuma ƙasarmu tana cikin faduwa kyauta. 17:29.944 --> 17:34.020 Amma abin ban sha'awa ne cewa a ƙarshe ana samun wata hanya. 17:34.020 --> 17:41.566 Me zan iya yi yanzu, misali, a ina zan iya shiga idan ina sha'awar, kamar yadda ka ce, 17:41.566 --> 17:45.955 dawo da ikon da ya dace nawa? Me zan iya yi? 17:45.955 --> 17:56.791 To, da farko dai, ya isa kawai ka fara ƙungiya a unguwarku. 17:56.791 --> 17:59.143 Ko ba lallai ya kasance ƙungiya ba; muna kiran sa ƙwayar. 17:59.143 --> 18:06.913 Don haka kawai ku haɗu da abokai a unguwarku – mafi kyau a unguwa – ku taru da mutane. 18:06.913 --> 18:10.117 Kuma karanta, misali, "Me Ya Sa Akuya Ke Shuru?" na Rainer Mausfeld. 18:10.117 --> 18:16.099 Saboda Rainer Mausfeld ya yi nazari sosai a cikin wannan littafi kan yadda tsarin siyasa namu ke aiki a zahiri, dalilin da ya sa 18:16.099 --> 18:20.539 ba mu da murya, da kuma dalilin da ya sa muke da dimokuradiyyar wakilai wadda ba ta da alaƙa da 18:20.539 --> 18:23.461 dimokuradiyya kuma ba ta ba mu damar yanke shawara da kanmu. 18:23.461 --> 18:26.800 Menene ma'ana? Me Mista Mausfeld yake faɗa? 18:26.800 --> 18:34.029 To, Mista Mausfeld a takaice yana cewa wannan, a kafa Tarayyar Amurka, kusan shi ne kundin tsarin mulki na 18:34.029 --> 18:37.736 farko, kundin tsarin mulki na farko na dimokuradiyya. 18:37.736 --> 18:40.435 To, akwai wasu muhawara game da hakan; kundin tsarin mulkin Poland ya fi sauri. 18:40.435 --> 18:44.800 Amma kundin tsarin mulki na farko mai girma na dimokuradiyya, tabbas, shi ne Kundin Tsarin Mulkin Amurka. 18:44.800 --> 18:49.450 Kuma Mahaifan Kasa na Amurka sun yi muhawara a kan wannan a wancan lokacin: 18:49.450 --> 18:55.141 Shin muna son gabatar da dimokuradiyya kai tsaye, inda muke shigar da mutane cikin yanke shawara, ko muna son 18:55.141 --> 18:58.403 dimokuradiyya ta wakilci – wadda a zahiri take karo da kanta? 18:58.403 --> 19:03.361 Dimokuradiyyar wakilci – ko dai wakilci ne ko dimokuradiyya – don haka dimokuradiyyar 19:03.361 --> 19:06.598 wakilci, idan ka yi tunani sosai, wata karo ce. 19:06.598 --> 19:15.300 Kuma a wancan lokacin ne muka fahimci cewa idan muna da sahihin iko na dimokuradiyya daga matakin talakawa, dukiyar masu arziki 19:15.300 --> 19:24.207 za ta shiga haɗari, domin matalauta na iya yanke shawara ta dimokuradiyya cewa a raba kuɗin ko dukiyoyin ta wata hanya daban. 19:24.207 --> 19:26.022 Don haka, lallai tunani ne na tattalin arziki kawai. 19:26.022 --> 19:33.853 Sannan muka yi tunani kan yadda za mu iya ci gaba da kiran sa dimokuradiyya, amma mu tsara shi ta yadda ba dimokuradiyya ba ne. 19:33.853 --> 19:36.551 Kuma wannan ita ce dimokuradiyyar wakilci da muke da ita yanzu. 19:36.551 --> 19:41.512 Don haka, kamar yadda na ce, abin da ka faɗa yanzu, yadda mutane ke fuskantarsa, a zahiri haka yake. 19:41.512 --> 19:44.348 Waɗanda suke a saman suna yin wani abu kuma ba za mu iya yanke shawara komai ba. 19:44.348 --> 19:50.325 Wannan ji ba ya yaudara, amma haka yake: muna ɗaukar gicciyarmu, kuma haka kawai... 19:50.325 --> 19:52.090 Kuma ga shi nan, ba mu san komai ba kwata-kwata! 19:52.090 --> 19:57.775 Don haka duk wanda ya kada kuri'a ga CDU yanzu tabbas bai yi tsammanin zai ƙare da manufofi mafi kore 19:57.775 --> 20:02.900 fiye da na baya ba tare da Jam'iyyar Kore ba, wadda suka kada kuri'a don cire ta daga ofis. 20:02.900 --> 20:04.809 Wataƙila ba abin da mutane suka so ba ne. 20:04.809 --> 20:09.755 Ban sani ba, amma ina tsammanin ba su so ba; in ba haka ba, da sun yi wa jam'iyyar Greens kuri'a maimakon CDU. 20:09.755 --> 20:13.224 Amma babu abin da za su iya yi. Yanzu za su zauna a can na tsawon shekaru huɗu, sannan mutane 20:13.224 --> 20:14.965 za su ce, to, a karo na gaba za mu nuna musu. 20:14.965 --> 20:17.489 Amma ba za mu jefa kuri'a ga CDU a wannan karon ba, za mu jefa kuri'a ga SPD. 20:17.489 --> 20:20.528 Wannan shi ne abin da muke fuskanta koyaushe. Kuma daga nan babu abin da ya canza sake. 20:20.528 --> 20:24.169 Sa'an nan sai su yi matuƙar mamaki cewa idan sauran suka zo, ba a sake wani canji ba. 20:24.169 --> 20:29.106 Saboda ba za mu iya tasiri kan shawarwarin siyasa na kowane mutum ba. 20:29.106 --> 20:34.122 Kuma a ka'ida za mu iya yin hakan a ƙarƙashin kundin tsarin mulkin jihohi, amma ba ma yin hakan. 20:34.122 --> 20:37.892 Rainer Mausfeld ya ce haka. Suna kama da masu sihiri suna tsaye a gabansa. 20:37.892 --> 20:42.592 Wadannan ƙofofi suna wanzu, kuma masu sihiri da masu yaudara suna tsaye a gabansu suna ɓoye su daga 20:42.592 --> 20:45.512 gare mu, duk da cewa za mu iya wucewa ta cikinsu. 20:45.512 --> 20:49.987 Kuma dimokuradiyyar wakilci za a iya kwatanta ta a matsayin mulkin 'yan eliti, mulkin 20:49.987 --> 20:52.592 'yan zaɓe, aristokradiyya, ko duk yadda kake so. 20:52.592 --> 21:00.473 Saboda an ba mu damar zaɓar daga cikin wasu 'yan eliti waɗanda za su mulke mu na tsawon shekaru huɗu masu zuwa. 21:00.473 --> 21:03.083 Amma a gaskiya ba mu da zaɓi mu canza komai. 21:03.083 --> 21:07.122 Za mu iya yin hakan ne kawai idan za mu iya tsoma baki a cikin shawarwarin siyasa na kowane mutum. 21:07.122 --> 21:10.489 Kuma shingayen sun yi matuƙar tsawo. Wannan shi ne abin da ba za mu iya yi a halin yanzu ba. 21:10.489 --> 21:12.408 Kuma ra'ayin 'yanci yana farawa da no. 21:12.408 --> 21:20.045 Don haka, game da wannan aikin da na kaddamar a Berlin, dole ne a ce cewa muna buƙatar mika ikon yanke shawara, ikon 21:20.045 --> 21:24.217 yanke shawara na ƙarshe kan kowace matsalar siyasa, ga mutane. 21:24.217 --> 21:27.090 Dole ne mu yanke shawara: shin muna son mu ɗaga na'urar hana bashi? 21:27.090 --> 21:30.372 Muna buƙatar mu yanke shawara kan yadda tsarin iliminmu yake. 21:30.372 --> 21:34.180 Dole ne mu yanke shawara kan yadda tsarin adalcinmu zai kasance. 21:34.180 --> 21:39.106 Dole ne mu yanke shawara kan yadda muke son kuzarinmu da sauransu da sauransu. 21:39.106 --> 21:40.770 Za mu iya yanke duk waɗannan shawarwarin da kanmu. 21:40.770 --> 21:46.341 Kuma ina mai cewa babu mutum ɗaya da zai iya yanke shawara mafi muni fiye da kowane 21:46.341 --> 21:49.856 ƙwararre ko duk wanda aka nada a matsayin ƙwararre. 21:49.856 --> 21:52.278 Ana maraba da su su ba da shawara da ra'ayinsu kan wannan batu. 21:52.278 --> 21:57.760 Amma a ganina, ina ganin ni cikakke ne wajen yanke shawara da kaina, kuma ina amincewa kowa a Jamus zai yi haka. 21:57.760 --> 22:09.239 To, la'akari da manufofin 'yan shekarun nan, ya kamata kowa ya gane cewa su kansu za su iya yin aiki mafi kyau. 22:09.239 --> 22:18.473 Don haka zan iya fara kafa reshe a yankina kuma in ɗauki mataki a can. 22:18.473 --> 22:23.567 Amma a ina zan iya samun ƙarfafawa, misali, ko samun shawarwari? 22:23.567 --> 22:28.434 Shin akwai wani shafin yanar gizo inda za a iya ƙarin koyo game da wannan? Za ka iya ba mu shawara? 22:28.434 --> 22:37.622 Don haka gidan yanar gizon bai shiga intanet ba tukuna, amma "freiheit-beginnt-mit-nein.de" yana wanzu. 22:37.622 --> 22:40.137 Kamar yadda aka ce a nan: Yanci yana farawa da a'a. 22:40.137 --> 22:46.153 Wannan shafi ma na iya kasancewa a yanar gizo kafin lokacin da aka wallafa wannan hira. 22:46.153 --> 22:51.040 A halin yanzu muna cikin matakan ƙarshe na kammala shi. Bayani zai samu nan. 22:51.040 --> 22:55.262 Amma ra'ayin yana nan, kuma za a samu damar yin hulɗa. 22:55.262 --> 23:00.616 Amma za a shirya zaɓin haɗin kai ta yadda za ku yi hulɗa ta hanyar analog. 23:00.616 --> 23:05.601 Kuma za a iya sake yin kwafin sa ta dijital. Don haka ba ma son mutane su yi hanyar sadarwa ta dijital. 23:05.601 --> 23:09.952 Don haka mutane, kamar yadda muke fuskanta yanzu, su rubuta juna a kafafen sada zumunta da sauransu, su bayyana 23:09.952 --> 23:12.780 fushinsu, su sami ra'ayoyi da yawa, su rubuta abubuwa da yawa. 23:12.780 --> 23:16.679 Maimakon haka, mutane suna buƙatar yin hulɗa da juna a gida ta fuskar ganawa da juna. 23:16.679 --> 23:21.984 Kuma idan an haɗa su ta hanya ɗaya, za su iya nuna a shafin yanar gizo cewa mu ƙungiya ne ko 23:21.984 --> 23:24.106 ƙungiya ƙarama, muna nan, muna son yin wani abu. 23:24.106 --> 23:29.866 Sannan za su iya neman taimako daga wasu, su ba wasu taimako, da sauransu. 23:29.866 --> 23:32.007 Amma mu a mafi yawanci muna mai da hankali ne kan hanyar sadarwa ta analog. 23:32.007 --> 23:40.990 Muna so mutane su yi hulɗa da juna a matakin gida, su fara tattaunawa da juna, kuma su riƙe wannan ra'ayi a 23:40.990 --> 23:48.376 zuciya: za mu iya canza wannan al'umma ta hanyar tara isassun sa hannu don wannan jefa ƙuri'a. 23:48.376 --> 23:53.386 Saboda wannan mataki na biyu yana da matuƙar wahala; samun sa hannun mutane 200,000 yana da matuƙar wahala. 23:53.386 --> 23:56.336 A Saxony kuwa, adadin sa hannun mutane ya kai 450,000. 23:56.336 --> 23:59.368 Amma za mu iya yin hakan idan mutane sun yi sadarwa da juna tun farko. 23:59.368 --> 24:01.516 Kuma ya kamata su yi muhawarar siyasa da juna. 24:01.516 --> 24:08.197 Amma su kuma ya kamata su koyi yadda za su ƙirƙiri fili don muhawara – wani abu ne da Rainer Mausfeld ma ya ambata – inda 24:08.197 --> 24:14.626 za su iya tattauna batutuwa a fili, da adalci, da dimokuradiyya, kuma inda har ma ra'ayoyi masu tsanani ake jurewa. 24:14.626 --> 24:19.201 Ba za a sami katanga-wuta ba. Ra'ayoyi masu tsanani suna da muhimmanci wajen samar da ra'ayoyi a cikin 24:19.201 --> 24:22.001 dimokuradiyya. Ra'ayoyi masu tsanani ba sa taba rinjaye. 24:22.001 --> 24:26.199 Amma suna da muhimmanci domin samun ra'ayin jama'a mai kyau da kuma cikakken wakilci na 24:26.199 --> 24:29.243 al'umma, ba tare da la'akari da girman al'ummar ba. 24:29.243 --> 24:35.278 Kuma wannan ne abin da mutane ke koya. Wannan ra'ayinmu ne, cewa su fara tattaunawa da juna ta 24:35.278 --> 24:38.060 wannan hanya, domin su fahimta ta wannan hanya: 24:38.060 --> 24:41.579 Ta yaya muke yin shawara da kowa zai iya amincewa da ita? 24:41.579 --> 24:45.149 Kuma idan za mu iya yin shi a ƙaramin mataki, to za mu iya yin shi a babban mataki ma. 24:45.149 --> 24:56.260 Eh, to, idan na fahimta daidai, yana da muhimmanci mu sake koyon yadda za mu yi magana da juna, mu koyi jure ra'ayoyin wasu, mu 24:56.260 --> 25:05.008 koyi aiki tare don cimma buri guda, kuma mu kasance a shirye mu ɗauki alhaki, mu kasance a shirye mu 25:05.008 --> 25:09.485 yanke shawara, mu fuskanci matsaloli da sauransu. 25:09.485 --> 25:14.534 Amma hakan ba yana nufin mika shi ga 'yan siyasa su yi duk abin da suka ga dama da shi ba, sai dai maimaitawa: 25:14.534 --> 25:21.584 Tabbas ina da kwarin gwiwa, ina dawo da alhaki cikin hannayena. 25:21.584 --> 25:24.231 Abu mafi muhimmanci shi ne muhimmin batu. 25:24.231 --> 25:28.937 Ka ce a cikin jawabin ka cewa ba ka haɗa wani muhimmin batu ba, ko a gaskiya mafi 25:28.937 --> 25:32.214 muhimmancin batu a gare ni, a cikin jerin batutuwan ka. 25:32.214 --> 25:35.725 Tabbas ka yi tunanin hakan, amma ba ka faɗa ba, wato: Abu mafi muhimmanci ba shine mu yi 25:35.725 --> 25:38.046 magana da juna ba, amma shine mu saurari juna. 25:38.046 --> 25:42.714 Muna magana akai-akai. Misali, idan muna kallon irin waɗannan shirye-shirye na tattaunawa da ake samu a ko'ina a talabijin, 25:42.714 --> 25:45.309 mutane da yawa suna magana. Amma babu wanda ke sauraron wani. 25:45.309 --> 25:51.671 Kuma tsarin da muke gabatarwa, wato muna ba da wata hanya ta musamman ga ƙwayoyin halitta don su yanke shawara 25:51.671 --> 25:57.542 tare, wato ta hanyar gina daidaito na tsarin, a asali yana game da sauraron juna a mataki na farko. 25:57.542 --> 26:02.972 Kowa na da damar iri ɗaya don bayyana kansa, kuma babu wanda zai iya sukar wasu saboda abin da suka faɗa. 26:02.972 --> 26:08.024 Maimakon haka, bayanin yana nan. Don haka muna tambaya, muna son warware matsala, sannan akwai amsoshi a kai. 26:08.024 --> 26:11.881 Kuma kowa na da izinin bayar da amsarsa, kuma babu wanda ake yarda ya soki amsar wani. 26:11.881 --> 26:16.191 Kuma idan muka tambaya daga baya, yaya ƙarfin juriyarka? 26:16.191 --> 26:21.584 To, me kake ji a ciki idan ka ce wannan shi ne amsar da ta dace ga wannan tambayar? Me kake ji a lokacin? 26:21.584 --> 26:25.390 Kuma shi ya sa ake cewa 'yanci yana farawa da 'a'a'. Domin idan na ji wani abu ba shi 26:25.390 --> 26:27.475 da kyau a gare ni, dole ne in iya cewa 'a'a'. 26:27.475 --> 26:30.217 Dole ne in faɗa, bana so hakan – kamar yadda yake game da allurar rigakafin coronavirus ko kuma sa mask. 26:30.217 --> 26:33.695 Idan na gane cewa ban so hakan ba, dole ne in iya cewa a'a. Domin wannan 'yanci ne. 26:33.695 --> 26:37.220 Yanci shi ne samun ikon cewa: A'a, bana so. Wannan ya shafe ni kaɗai. 26:37.220 --> 26:40.678 Kuma 'yanci koyaushe yana farawa da 'a'a'. Shi ya sa ake kiransa haka. 26:40.678 --> 26:46.357 Domin duk lokacin da na ce 'tsaya', ina jin ƙin yarda a nan, sai ra'ayin rukuni ya samu, kuma na gane cewa ban so 26:46.357 --> 26:49.677 hakan ba, sai in ce: 'Tsaya, a'a, ban ji daɗin hakan ba!' 26:49.677 --> 26:51.999 Sa'an nan ƙungiyar ta saurara! Sa'an nan ƙungiyar ta fahimta: 26:51.999 --> 26:57.840 Toh, wannan mutumin yana jin zafi, don haka watakila ya kamata mu canza shawararmu kaɗan domin ciwon dayan mutumin ya tafi. 26:57.840 --> 27:03.764 Kuma kwatsam ka sami mafita wadda duka ƙungiya, ƙwayar halitta ko al'umma ta amince da ita. 27:03.764 --> 27:11.124 A ƙarshe, ikon yin veto ba komai ba ne face haka. Muna koyaushe samun mafita da waɗanda abin ya shafa za su yarda da su. 27:11.124 --> 27:15.280 Saboda muna sauraron 'a'a' na duk wanda ya ce, 'Ban ji daɗin hakan ba.' 27:15.280 --> 27:20.006 Wannan shi ne manufar da ke bayan sa. Kuma kowa zai iya yin sa. 27:20.006 --> 27:22.180 Amma kai kaɗai ne zaka iya yin hakan. 27:22.180 --> 27:26.074 Ba za mu iya tsara ko raba wannan aikin ba ta kowace hanya, amma za mu iya ƙarfafa shi kawai. 27:26.074 --> 27:30.569 Kuma mutane suna yin hakan. Kuma za mu iya aiwatar da hakan a cikin al'umma ma. 27:30.569 --> 27:39.538 Eh. Ka ambata cewa ba mu da dimokuradiyya ta gaskiya saboda muna da dimokuradiyya ta wakilci. 27:39.538 --> 27:50.750 Yanzu ka kuma ambata, a ƙarshen wannan hira, amma ka gaya mini cewa akwai matsaloli game da waɗannan zaɓukan, cewa ba a gudanar 27:50.750 --> 27:56.897 da su cikin dimokuraɗiyya ba. A bayyane an yi wasu magudi. 27:56.897 --> 28:08.180 Da farko, za ka iya sake bayyana mini da masu kallo abin da ya bayyana ko aka sani, da yadda za a iya magance shi a nan gaba? 28:08.180 --> 28:15.816 Don haka, da farko dai, aiki ɗaya tilo da ake ba wa sarki izinin yin sa a Jamus shi ne (zaɓe). 28:15.816 --> 28:19.487 Na ce a baya cewa, a ganina, ba sarki bane, domin ba a yarda ya canza ƙa'idodi ba. 28:19.487 --> 28:23.438 Amma haka lamarin yake: aikin kadaici kawai da sarki ake ba shi izinin yi shi ne jefa 28:23.438 --> 28:26.121 ƙuri'a, wato saka alamar giciye a takardar zaɓe. 28:26.121 --> 28:35.925 Kuma hakan yana nufin cewa dole ne a tabbatar cewa aƙalla wannan aikin sarki yana nuna abin da ake nufi a zahiri. 28:35.925 --> 28:40.570 Wannan yana nufin cewa ya kamata mu yi tunani da gaske, to, muna cikin Jamus, kuma Jamus ƙasa ce 28:40.570 --> 28:43.269 mai dimokuradiyya kuma ƙasa ce mai tsarin mulki. 28:43.269 --> 28:48.519 Kuma a Jamus, za a gudanar da wannan tsarin zabe cikin tsari. 28:48.519 --> 28:51.363 Ba ma buƙatar mu yi magana game da sarrafawa kwata-kwata. 28:51.363 --> 28:56.254 Da farko dai, za mu iya magana kan cewa babu wani tsari kwata-kwata da zai iya aiki yadda ya kamata. 28:56.254 --> 29:02.465 Lokacin da Jami'in Dawowa na Tarayya ya sanar da sakamakon ƙarshe na wucin gadi a yamma, ba 29:02.465 --> 29:05.871 ta san adadin gundumomin zaɓe da ke Jamus ba. 29:05.871 --> 29:10.344 Ba ta san hakan ba. An ba da rahoto a kansu. Amma dole ne ta karɓi duk rahotannin da suka shigo, 29:10.344 --> 29:12.097 amma ba ta san hakan ba. Ba ta da cikakken bayani. 29:12.097 --> 29:17.129 Don haka idan ka tambaye ta a ranar da ta gabata kafin zaɓen nawa ne mazabun da mutane za su yi zaɓe a 29:17.129 --> 29:19.675 ciki gobe, ba za ta iya faɗa ba saboda ba ta sani ba. 29:19.675 --> 29:27.573 Don haka akwai yankunan zaɓe X, kuma babu wanda ya san inda suke kafin zaɓen. 29:27.573 --> 29:30.355 Ba a da rajistar mazabu ta tsakiya. 29:30.355 --> 29:36.047 To, ta yaya za ka duba sakamakon idan ba ka ma san inda mutane ke jefa ƙuri'a ba, ko nawa ne mutanen da ke 29:36.047 --> 29:40.260 jefa ƙuri'a, ko yaya suke jefa ƙuri'a? Babu wanda ya sani. 29:40.260 --> 29:45.401 Wato, mun kafa wannan ƙungiya mai suna WABEO, wadda ke nufin lura da zaɓe. 29:45.401 --> 29:51.512 A gaskiya an yi niyyar ƙaddamar da shi a watan Satumba, a lokacin da aka tsara zaɓen gama gari, sannan sai 29:51.512 --> 29:55.234 waɗanda suka yi shi suka haɗa shi daga tushe cikin watanni uku. 29:55.234 --> 29:59.452 Ina tsammanin kun yi hira anan da Stephanie Tsomakaeva, wadda ta fara wannan duka. 29:59.452 --> 30:06.733 Don haka, wata mace ce mai ƙarfi sosai wadda ta yi aiki tuƙuru don ganin ya yi nasara. 30:06.733 --> 30:14.530 Kuma mutane sun yi rijista, don haka kun san cewa su mutane ne na gaske, ba wasu zombies na kafafen sada zumunta ko bots ko wani 30:14.530 --> 30:22.460 abu makamancin haka ba, amma mutane na gaske – waɗanda dole ne su yi rijista kuma a tabbatar da rijistarsu – sun lura da zaɓen. 30:22.460 --> 30:27.288 Gabaɗaya mutane 3,700 ne ke cikin tafiya – wani abu da ba a taɓa faruwa ba a tarihin Jamhuriyar Tarayyar 30:27.288 --> 30:30.171 Jamus – domin ganin yadda zaɓen ke gudana a zahiri. 30:30.171 --> 30:33.696 Kuma yanzu akwai wasu ƙa'idodi da za a bi yayin kada kuri'a. 30:33.696 --> 30:43.359 Misali, cibiyar zabe tana buɗe daga ƙarfe 8 na safe zuwa ƙarfe 6 na yamma, zaɓen sirri ne, babu talla ko sanarwar zaɓe a cikin ko 30:43.359 --> 30:53.453 kusa da cibiyar zabe, ba a ba mutane shawara kan wanda za su zaɓa a cibiyar zabe, kuma ba a yarda kowa ya shiga rumfar zabe ba. 30:53.453 --> 30:58.220 Ko daga baya, ana rufe shi da ƙarfe 6 na yamma, kuma ba a ƙidaya kuri'un ba kafin ƙarfe 6 na yamma. 30:58.220 --> 31:01.314 Ana ba mutane izinin kasancewa a wurin da kallon dukkan tsarin. 31:01.314 --> 31:04.423 Kuma daga baya, bayan an ƙidaya kuri'un, ana kuma ba mutane izinin kasancewa a wurin da kallo. 31:04.423 --> 31:07.111 Kula ta yadda za su ga abin da ke faruwa. 31:07.111 --> 31:14.158 Kuma idan an ƙididdige duk kuri'un, kwamitin zaɓe na wannan mazaba dole ne ya sanar da sakamakon zaɓen a fili. 31:14.158 --> 31:21.066 Dole ne ya sanar da sakamakon zaɓe a cibiyar zaɓensa domin jama'a su san cewa waɗannan su ne sakamakon zaɓe, 31:21.066 --> 31:27.306 wanda daga baya nake ba da rahoto ga babban jami'i na gaba, yawanci jami'in dawowa na gunduma. 31:27.306 --> 31:28.673 Kuma an samu rashin daidaito. 31:28.673 --> 31:30.640 Daidai. Kuma yanzu ga batun. 31:30.640 --> 31:32.830 Yanzu akwai rashin daidaito da yawa. 31:32.830 --> 31:36.305 Waɗannan su ne ka'idodin asali na zaɓe, zaɓen dimokuraɗiyya. 31:36.305 --> 31:44.033 Ga shi nan. Da farko dai, dole ne a ce mun sami martani mai yawa, wanda abin matuƙar farin ciki ne. 31:44.033 --> 31:48.305 Kuma za mu iya cewa a cikin kashi 80% na ra'ayoyin da aka bayar, komai ya tafi daidai. 31:48.305 --> 31:55.931 A cikin kashi 80% na mazabu, kamar yadda muka sani a yanzu, an gudanar da zaben yadda ya kamata. 31:55.931 --> 31:59.494 Don haka an kiyaye duk waɗannan ƙa'idodin asali, ƙa'idodi da ƙa'idodin zaɓe. A cikin 31:59.494 --> 32:01.640 kashi 20 cikin ɗari na lokuta, hakan bai faru ba. 32:01.640 --> 32:09.099 A cikin kashi 20 cikin ɗari na lokuta, sun rufe rumfunan zaɓe da ƙarfe 5:30 na yamma, sun kore masu lura da zaɓe domin ba sa 32:09.099 --> 32:12.853 son su kasance a wurin, sannan suka mayar da su mita 20 nesa. 32:12.853 --> 32:17.351 Wasu daga cikin waɗannan rumfunan zaɓe a zahiri gidajen motsa jiki ne. 32:17.351 --> 32:22.533 Sannan aka matsar da su mita ashirin ƙarin nesa, inda tabbas ba za ka iya ganin abin da ke faruwa a kowane tumpu ba. 32:22.533 --> 32:26.072 A wasu lokuta, ba su sanar da sakamakon zaben da murya mai ƙarfi ba. 32:26.072 --> 32:30.840 Eh, abubuwa da yawa sun faru a can waɗanda bai kamata a bari su faru ba. 32:30.840 --> 32:38.634 Kuma idan muka yi la'akari yanzu cewa kawancen Sahra Wagenknecht na da ƙuri'u 9,000 kacal ƙasa da abin da suke buƙata don shiga 32:38.634 --> 32:46.183 Bundestag, to a ka'ida, a cikin waɗannan, wato jimillar, mu na da ƙuri'u ne kawai, waɗanda muka riga muka bayar da rahoto a 32:46.183 --> 32:50.533 kansu, a mazabu 300 ne inda irin waɗannan kurakurai suka faru. 32:50.533 --> 32:55.986 300, kamar yadda muka ruwaito, mazabu 300 suna da waɗannan matsaloli. 32:55.986 --> 33:03.629 Kuma har yanzu ba mu san dukkan adadin masu zabe a waɗannan mazabu ba, amma daga cikin waɗanda muka sani, akwai kuri'u 99,000 33:03.629 --> 33:10.966 kaɗai inda waɗannan matsalolin suka kasance irin su da ba za mu iya, a ka'ida, tabbatar da ko sakamakon da aka tura sune 33:10.966 --> 33:18.884 sakamakon da aka yi wa kuri'a a zahiri ba, saboda, kamar yadda na ce, ba a ma sanar da sakamakon zaben a wannan mazaba ba. 33:18.884 --> 33:26.042 Wannan yana nufin muna da ƙuri'u 99,000, aƙalla ƙuri'u 99,000; idan ka yi ƙiyasin hakan – mun duba 33:26.042 --> 33:29.108 mazabu 3,000 kawai, kuma akwai kusan mazabu 90,000. 33:29.108 --> 33:33.790 Idan ka yi ƙiyasin hakan, za ka ga girman da muke magana a kai anan. 33:33.790 --> 33:37.640 Ba sai an yi wata magudi ba, babu wanda ya yaudare ko wani abu daban. 33:37.640 --> 33:43.200 Amma a ka'ida, ba mu da wata hanya ta tabbatar ko abin da ya iso ofishin Babban Jami'in Dawowa na Tarayya a cikin 33:43.200 --> 33:47.337 dare shi ne ainihin sakamakon da aka samu a matakin yanki. 33:47.337 --> 33:51.220 Kuma ba a sake kirga kuri'u ko wani abu makamancin haka ba. Don haka, a ka'ida, babban wasan lotiri ne. 33:51.220 --> 33:55.340 Don haka ba mu san ko kawancen Sahra Wagenknecht na da kashi biyar cikin ɗari ko a'a ba. 33:55.340 --> 33:59.865 Ina tsammanin suna da kashi biyar cikin ɗari, amma ba za a iya tabbatar da hakan ba saboda, idan aka yi 33:59.865 --> 34:02.558 la'akari da tsarin, ba zaɓe ne na dimokuraɗiyya ba. 34:02.558 --> 34:09.357 Kuma idan, misali, ba a sanar da sakamakon wannan zaɓen ba, ta yaya za mu san ko sakamakon da aka bayyana daga 34:09.357 --> 34:15.996 baya ya yi daidai, ko kuwa wani ya ƙara wasu takardun zaɓe kaɗan ko ya cire wasu kaɗan, ko wani abu daban. 34:15.996 --> 34:19.108 Ba mu sani ba, domin ana saka kayan cikin takardun leda. 34:19.108 --> 34:24.424 A gefe guda, abin da ya biyo baya shi ne cewa wasu takardun kuri'u ba a saka su cikin takardun leda masu hatimi yadda ake 34:24.424 --> 34:28.378 buƙata ba, sai dai an saka su cikin jakunkuna da aka rufe da igiyoyin roba, wanda hakan ke 34:28.378 --> 34:31.138 nufin ana iya buɗe su a canza su a kowane lokaci. 34:31.138 --> 34:34.305 Kada ka yi zato cewa suna yin hakan. Amma yana yiwuwa suna yin hakan. 34:34.305 --> 34:41.322 Kuma ba za mu iya, a cikin zaben dimokuradiyya, ko da ba da tunanin cewa abin da ya faru ba daidai ba ne. 34:41.322 --> 34:46.543 Musamman idan, kamar yadda na ce, muna da bambanci na €9,000 kawai ga Sahra Wagenknecht. 34:46.543 --> 34:47.478 kuri'u 9,000! 34:47.478 --> 34:50.000 kuri'u 9,000, daidai. Bambanci na kuri'u 9,000. 34:50.000 --> 35:00.080 Kuma ainihin haka yake. Wannan yana nufin cewa zaɓukanmu, ban san yadda zan faɗa ba, amma tabbas ba na dimokuraɗiyya ba ne. 35:00.080 --> 35:05.760 Ba sa daidaito, ba sa a iya fahimta, ba sa bayyane. 35:05.760 --> 35:10.869 Har zuwa irin wannan babban mataki, lallai da gaske yana da alaka da umarnin. 35:10.869 --> 35:17.767 Kuma wannan yanzu an kafa shi a karon farko godiya ga sa ido na tsari kan zabe da WABEO ta yi. 35:17.767 --> 35:23.463 Kuma zan iya yin wata alaƙa guda ɗaya? Mun yi magana ne game da kuri'un yankewa a baya. 35:23.463 --> 35:32.384 Amma idan yanzu mun san cewa ana gudanar da waɗannan kuri'un raba kawuna kamar zaɓe, kuma mun san cewa ba a tantance sakamakon su 35:32.384 --> 35:38.469 cikin adalci ba, kuma muna magana ne game da rinjaye masu matuƙar muhimmanci a nan – kan 35:38.469 --> 35:42.159 batun ko za a gyara kundin tsarin mulki ko a'a – to 35:42.159 --> 35:44.503 Daidai ne, wannan shi ne tambayata. 35:44.503 --> 35:48.354 Daidai ne, wannan tambaya ɗaya. Don gyara kundin tsarin mulki, muna buƙatar cika yawan halarta. 35:48.354 --> 35:52.549 Wato, wani adadin 'yan ƙasa da suka halarci wannan zaɓe. 35:52.549 --> 35:56.471 Sannan dole ne a sami wani takamaiman rinjaye a cikin wannan adadin mahalarta. 35:56.471 --> 36:02.679 Don haka, idan kawai ka rage ƙaramin yawan kuri'un da ake bukata ta wannan hanya – wato, a ka'ida muna da rinjaye na biyu bisa uku 36:02.679 --> 36:08.601 don gyaran kundin tsarin mulki, amma ka ce, eh, amma abin takaici mutane 39.8 cikin ɗari ne kawai suka jefa ƙuri'a, ba kashi 36:08.601 --> 36:12.049 40 cikin ɗari ba – to wannan gyaran kundin tsarin mulki ya gaza. 36:12.049 --> 36:19.216 Eh, kuma ba za mu iya sarrafa shi ba idan sakamakon zabe, yawan masu jefa ƙuri'a da sauransu Wato, ba a sanar da sakamakon a 36:19.216 --> 36:26.159 wannan cibiyar zabe a bainar jama'a, kuma muna da aƙalla mutum ɗaya a kowace cibiyar zabe ko a kowace ƙaramar hukumar zabe wanda 36:26.159 --> 36:31.746 ke sauraro, rubuta shi, sannan ya ba mu sakamakon domin mu duba; sakamakon da aka ƙarshe tantancewa shi 36:31.746 --> 36:35.604 ne ainihin sakamakon da suka sanar a cibiyoyin zabe. 36:35.604 --> 36:40.198 Don haka, domin mu sami hanyarmu zuwa dimokuradiyya kai tsaye. 36:40.198 --> 36:52.495 Domin mu ma mu yi la'akari da canza kundin tsarin mulkin ƙasa, dole ne mu tabbatar muna aiki sosai wajen sa ido kan zaɓe. 36:52.495 --> 36:56.456 Don haka, idan na fahimta daidai, ana buƙatar masu lura da zaɓe a ko'ina. 36:56.456 --> 36:58.317 Eh, ka tambaya a baya abin da zan iya yi. 36:58.317 --> 37:06.409 Banda kafa wannan ƙungiya, wanda ke buƙatar ƙoƙari mai yawa, tabbas zan ba da shawarar ziyartar shafin yanar gizo wabeo.de. 37:06.409 --> 37:09.686 Shekara mai zuwa, ina tsammani, za a gudanar da zaɓen jihohi a Baden-Württemberg, 37:09.686 --> 37:11.851 Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania da Saxony-Anhalt. 37:11.851 --> 37:19.616 Za a yi lura da waɗannan zaɓukan a faɗin ƙasar a karon farko. 37:19.616 --> 37:24.893 Za ka iya yin rijista a can, tabbatar da ainihinka, kuma yana kashe fam 6.50. 37:24.893 --> 37:28.790 Yuro 6.50 saboda akwai wannan tsarin tabbatarwa, wanda yake da ɗan rikitarwa, amma yana 37:28.790 --> 37:32.323 bayyana a fili cewa akwai mutum na gaske a bayansa. 37:32.323 --> 37:35.948 Sannan za mu iya duba komai gaba ɗaya: 37:35.948 --> 37:40.336 Shin abin da aka sanar a ƙarshe shin shi ne sakamakon da ya fito a rumfunan zaɓe, ko a 37:40.336 --> 37:43.542 gundumomin zaɓe? Kuma hakan yana da matuƙar ban sha'awa. 37:43.542 --> 37:50.468 Kuma watakila ba haka lamarin yake ba – wata mai kula da gunduma, ita ce magajiyar garin Speyer, wadda wani mai lura da zabe ya 37:50.468 --> 37:56.575 rubuto mata wasiƙa – dole ne in ambaci wannan a nan a matsayin ƙaramar magana... A gaskiya, ba ƙaramin labari ba 37:56.575 --> 38:02.824 ne, abin takaici ne ƙwarai – yana ƙorafi kan yadda aka yi masa a matsayin mai lura da zaɓe a cibiyar zaɓe. 38:02.824 --> 38:09.798 Sai kuma wannan magajin garin Speyer, a matsayinta na jami'ar dawowa na gunduma, ta rubuta amsa tana cewa, a 38:09.798 --> 38:13.568 ganinta, abin matuƙar muni ne mutane su zo su kalli zaɓe. 38:13.568 --> 38:19.693 Domin hakan a zahiri zai nuna cewa ba a gudanar da zaɓukan yadda ya kamata, ta haka yana rushe 38:19.693 --> 38:23.012 halaccin dimokuraɗiyarmu. Ka yi tunanin hakan. 38:23.012 --> 38:29.184 Fasalin jama'a na zaɓe ɗaya ne daga cikin muhimman ka'idodin dokar zaɓenmu da ƙa'idodin zaɓe. 38:29.184 --> 38:37.110 Sa'an nan kuma wata ƙwararriyar jami'ar dawowa ta zaɓe ta gunduma ta zo ta ce cewa, a ganinta, gaskiyar cewa wani na son kallo 38:37.110 --> 38:43.652 zaɓen, cewa wani na son duba ko abin da ke faruwa a nan – abin da muke kiran shi aiki na ikon kai, aikin 38:43.652 --> 38:47.543 ikon kai guda ɗaya – ana gudanar da shi yadda ya kamata. 38:47.543 --> 38:54.871 Zai yi kama da ba su yarda da su ba, kawai saboda suna tsaye a wurin. 38:54.871 --> 38:57.168 Kuma haka lamarin yake. Ka yi tunanin hakan kawai. 38:57.168 --> 39:05.507 Magajiyar gari tana da irin wannan ra'ayi game da mutanen da suka sa ta shiga wannan mukami tun farko. 39:05.507 --> 39:10.613 Mai ban sha'awa sosai. Mai kyau sosai. Mista Ludwig, na gode ƙwarai da gaske da ka yi magana da mu! 39:10.613 --> 39:17.590 Gaskiya ya kasance abin buɗe ido. Fiye da komai, yanzu za ka iya ganin matakan da kowane mutum zai iya ɗauka a zahiri. 39:17.590 --> 39:21.766 Da farko, za ka iya shiga cikin lura da zaɓe. 39:21.766 --> 39:24.910 Ina tsammanin za ka iya tuntuɓar WABEO. 39:24.910 --> 39:31.457 Sa'an nan za ka iya kawai ganin yadda za ka iya ƙirƙirar ƙungiya ko shiga wata ƙungiya da ta riga ta wanzu. 39:31.457 --> 39:35.074 Sa'an nan za ka iya kawai yin hakan. Yanci yana farawa da 'a'a'. 39:35.074 --> 39:42.439 Ina ganin yanzu kun ba mu wasu matakai na farko kan yadda za mu aiwatar da wannan, 39:42.439 --> 39:46.863 domin 'yan ƙasa su sake samun iko a hannayensu. 39:46.863 --> 39:50.012 Na gode ƙwarai da gaske da wannan hira mai buɗe ido! 39:50.012 --> 39:51.637 Na gode ƙwarai da gaske da kuka ba ni damar kasancewa anan.