WEBVTT 00:01.445 --> 00:03.398 Ha re sheba seo, ke mang ea lokelang ho sebetsana le sona? 00:03.398 --> 00:07.406 Ke thehile setsi sa ka le basebetsi-'moho le 'na ba bang, se bolelang hore: 00:07.406 --> 00:15.367 Setsi sa dipatlisiso, tlhahlobo botjha, qoso ya molao le thibelo ya ditlolo tsa molao kgahlanong le botho. 00:15.367 --> 00:18.960 Batho ba bangata ba dula ba botsa, hobaneng ditlolo tsa molao kgahlanong le botho? 00:18.960 --> 00:22.992 Hobane seo re se itemohetseng mona e ne e le litlolo tsa molao khahlanong le botho. 00:22.992 --> 00:26.671 Batho ba hlorisitswe. Dingaka di ntse di hloriswa le kajeno. 00:26.671 --> 00:32.880 Lingaka li isoa teronkong ka lebaka la ho etsa mosebetsi oa tsona. 00:39.648 --> 00:46.420 Mosebetsi-'moho le 'na Rainer Fuellmich o teronkong Göttingen. Hape ke morupeli e moholo. 00:52.401 --> 00:59.131 Pulanghano e ka etsahala feela haeba re fetola boemo ba lipolotiki. 00:59.131 --> 01:03.916 Hobane maemo a lipolotiki ao re iphumanang re le ho ona, moo re fanang ka matla habonolo, 01:03.916 --> 01:06.315 a ke ke a lebisa tlhahlobong e nepahetseng. 01:06.315 --> 01:10.039 Hobane, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, ka nako eo baetsadibe ka bo bona ba ne ba tla tlameha ho tobana le seo ba se entseng. 01:10.039 --> 01:18.726 Ha ho motho ea ka nahanang hore ba entseng litlolo tsena tsa molao khahlanong le botho ba tla ema ba re: E, ke rona ba entseng. 01:18.726 --> 01:25.403 Mme jwale re batla ho qoswa ka pele ho lekgotla la dinyewe, ka pele ho baahlodi bao re ikgethetseng bona, le ka pele ho 01:25.403 --> 01:32.712 bachochisi bao re ikgethetseng bona, e le hore ba ka ahlola hore na seo re se entseng se ne se nepahetse kapa se fosahetse. 01:32.712 --> 01:40.813 Baahlodi, bao dikgwedi tse tharo tse fetileng, pele difaele tsa RKI di dutla, kaofela ba neng ba mpolelletse hore ba entse ntho 01:40.813 --> 01:49.118 tsohle ka nepo ka nako eo, jwale ka tshohanyetso ho lebelletswe hore ba hlahlobe nyeoe... Le hoo ha ho na ho sebetsa. 01:49.118 --> 01:57.848 E tla sebetsa feela... – mme Ralf Boes o sa tsoa e phatlalatsa, mme ke dumellana le Ralf Boes le ba bang 01:57.848 --> 02:03.381 ba bangata. Ka kopo, sheba websaete eo a e boletseng. 02:03.381 --> 02:06.420 Ke dumela hore re hloka ho feta ka dinaha tsa kopanelo. 02:06.420 --> 02:10.826 Re na le molaotheo oa rona naheng e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe ea kopanelo. 02:10.826 --> 02:17.615 Mme kaha ke molaotheo o arohaneng, molaotheo o mong le o mong oa naha e kopaneng o re lumella ho fetola melao-theo ena. 02:17.615 --> 02:21.037 Re na le matla matsohong a rona. Ha o sa lula o tseba feela... 02:21.037 --> 02:27.779 Kajeno, ke rata ho amohela ka mofuthu 'muelli oa molao Ralf Ludwig setsing sa rona sa Kla.TV. 02:27.779 --> 02:28.815 Lumela. 02:28.815 --> 02:36.974 Tlhahisong ea boipelaetso Berlin, le boletse hore matla a matsohong a rona, empa ha rea ​​le ho hlokomela. 02:36.974 --> 02:41.006 Hantle, le nna ha ke tsebe. Ha ke tsebe le hore na ke na le matla a mofuta ofe matsohong a ka. 02:41.006 --> 02:47.969 Mme ha ke tsebe le hore na nka susumetsa diqeto tsa dipolotiki jwang, kapa hore na taba eo e sebetsa jwang. 02:47.969 --> 02:53.715 A o ka re thusa, a o ka nthusa, a o ka thusa bashebelli hanyane? 02:53.715 --> 02:55.620 E, ka molao-motheo ha ho thata hakaalo. 02:55.620 --> 03:03.316 Re na le linaha tsa feterale tse 16 Jeremane, 'me linaha tsohle tsa feterale li na le molao-motheo oa tsona. 03:03.316 --> 03:10.109 Mme molaotheo o mong le o mong wa naha – ntle le wa Hesse, empa ha e le hantle o kenyeleditswe – o fana 03:10.109 --> 03:13.761 ka monyetla wa ketsahalo ya molao e tswang setjhabeng. 03:13.761 --> 03:19.136 Sena se bolela hore batho ba phelang naheng ea bona ea kopanelo ba ka iketsetsa melao ea bona. 03:19.136 --> 03:23.215 Mme ha ba etse melao feela, empa ba ka fetola le molaotheo, e leng molaotheo wa naha eo. 03:23.215 --> 03:28.683 E le hore ba ka fetola melao ea ho phelisana, melao ea sebopeho, ea sebopeho sa 03:28.683 --> 03:32.074 lipolotiki, naheng ea bona ea kopanelo haeba ba batla. 03:32.074 --> 03:37.449 Sena se hloka bongata bo itseng. Sena se bolela hore kamehla ho na le mehato e meraro e amehang. 03:37.449 --> 03:40.769 Mohato oa pele ke boikitlaetso ba baahi. Sena se bolela hore le hlahisa mohopolo. 03:40.769 --> 03:43.230 O tlameha ho bokella palo e itseng ea likhetho. 03:43.230 --> 03:45.371 Sa bobedi ke seo ho tsejwang e le referendum. 03:45.371 --> 03:51.402 Sena se bolela hore o tlameha ho paka hore palo e itseng ya batho naheng ba na le thahasello tabeng ena. 03:51.402 --> 03:58.222 Mokgahlelo ona ke o boima ka ho fetisisa kamehla, mme hang ha o o hlotse, ho tshwana le dikgetho, jwalo ka ha re di tseba, ebe ka 03:58.222 --> 04:04.884 Sontaha, batho ba bitsetsoa liteisheneng tsa likhetho 'me ba ka khetha tabeng ena ea lipolotiki kapa molaong o hlahisoang kapa 04:04.884 --> 04:11.335 nthong e tšoanang, 'me ba ka re, joaloka batho ba naha ena ea kopanelo, re batla hore e be tjena kapa tjena, kapa re batla 04:11.335 --> 04:14.577 hore molao ona o be teng, kapa re batla molaoana ona kapa o mong. 04:14.577 --> 04:18.022 Ka molao-motheo, sena se behilwe molaong-motheong wa naha e nngwe le e nngwe. 04:18.022 --> 04:23.796 Mme seo se bolela hore haeba re ne re batla, re ka kena-kenana le liqeto tsa lipolotiki ka borona, ho e-na le ho tšoaea lebokoseng 04:23.796 --> 04:27.655 hang feela ka mor'a lilemo tse 'ne kapa tse hlano le ho tšepa hore batho ba nepahetseng ba 04:27.655 --> 04:30.482 tla khethoa 'me ba etse liqeto tse nepahetseng. 04:30.482 --> 04:39.757 E, ke a utlwa. Mme melao-motheo ya dinaha – jwale ke ferekane hanyane... Re boetse re na le Molao wa Motheo. 04:39.757 --> 04:47.028 Hoo ke eng? Ka tsela e itseng, ha e sebetse boemong ba mmuso o moholo, e sebetsa feela boemong ba naha. Ho tla jwang? 04:47.028 --> 04:52.518 E, hantle, ehlile re na le Molao oa Motheo, 'me Molao oa Motheo ha e le hantle o bitsoa Molao oa Motheo – eseng Molaotheo oa 04:52.518 --> 04:57.780 Jeremane kapa Molaotheo oa Majeremane, empa ho e-na le hoo "Molao oa Motheo bakeng sa Rephaboliki ea Federale ea Jeremane". 04:57.780 --> 05:03.037 Sena se na le mabaka a nalane, ehlile. Kamora Ntoa ea Bobeli ea Lefatše, Jeremane e ile ea aroloa. 05:03.037 --> 05:09.314 Jeremane e ne e hapilwe, e hapilwe ke mebuso e fapaneng, ruri ke mebuso e mene e neng e hlotse, 05:09.314 --> 05:12.279 mme Jeremane e ne e batla e arolotswe ka naha. 05:12.279 --> 05:16.927 Sena se ne se bolela hore bonngoe ba naha ba 'Muso oa Jeremane bo ne bo se bo le sieo. 05:16.927 --> 05:25.021 Mme yaba Ntwa ya Molomo e qala, pakeng tsa Bophirimela le Botjhabela, haholoholo Russia – mme ka nako eo e le Soviet Union. 05:25.021 --> 05:30.265 Mme mebuso ya Bophirimela e ne e na le maikutlo a fapaneng mabapi le hore na ho tshwarwe jwang Jeremane, hore na e tshwarwe 05:30.265 --> 05:33.001 jwang, le hore na bokamoso ba yona bo lokela ho ba bofe. 05:33.001 --> 05:41.442 Mme e, seo se ile sa lebisa ho thehweng ha Rephaboliki ya Federale ya Jeremane ka 1949, mme Rephaboliki ya Federale ya 05:41.442 --> 05:45.850 Jeremane ke, ehlile, karolo feela ya Jeremane eohle ya Reich. 05:45.850 --> 05:51.988 Mme ka nako eo, ho ne ho ntse ho nahannwe hore qetellong tharollo e tla fumaneha, tharollo bakeng sa Jeremane kaofela, mme ke ka 05:51.988 --> 05:57.118 lebaka leo molaotheo wa Jeremane o sa kang wa etswa, hobane molaotheo o ne o ka etsetswa feela sebaka sohle 05:57.118 --> 06:02.313 sa Reich, sebaka sa pele sa Reich, sebaka sohle sa Jeremane, mme ka hona wa bitswa Molao wa Motheo. 06:02.313 --> 06:09.131 Ha e le hantle, ke molao oa motheo oa matla a mararo a atlehileng a Selekane, o ileng oa buisaneloa le 06:09.131 --> 06:12.698 bo-ralipolotiki Herren-Chiemsee, ka mokhoa o itseng. 06:12.698 --> 06:15.903 Mme Molao ona oa Motheo le oona o ile oa pholoha kopano hape. 06:15.903 --> 06:22.828 Leha ho le jwalo, leha ho ne ho reretswe Molaong wa Motheo, molaotheo wa Jeremane kaofela ha o a ka wa etswa; ho ena 06:22.828 --> 06:26.495 le hoo, Molao wa Motheo o ile wa tswelapele ho ba molaotheo. 06:26.495 --> 06:32.464 Mme ke dula ke re, molaotheo o ka ba molaotheo feela ha o na le morena ya ikemetseng. 06:32.464 --> 06:39.040 Mme molao-kakaretso ha se, jwalo ka ha Carl Schmitt a bolela feela, ya laolang maemo a tsietsi, empa ke ya ka fetolang melao. 06:39.040 --> 06:43.276 Mme molaotheo wa rona ha o dumelle batho ho fetola melao. 06:43.276 --> 06:47.509 Sena se bolela hore Molao oa Motheo o ke ke oa ba molaotheo ka moelelo ona, hobane Molao oa 06:47.509 --> 06:49.812 Motheo ha o ananele matla afe kapa afe a busang. 06:49.812 --> 06:54.197 Kapa ketso e le 'ngoe feela ea boipuso eo re e tsebang re le baahi ke hantle likhetho – 06:54.197 --> 06:56.440 ho khetha Bundestag hang ka lilemo tse 'ne. 06:56.440 --> 07:00.280 Mme ke yona feela seabo sa batho ho la Rephaboliki ya Federale ya Jeremane. 07:00.280 --> 07:03.534 Ho seng jwalo, ha ho letho le rerilweng. Ha ho na molao o tsebahalang. 07:03.534 --> 07:09.850 Leha Karolo ea 20 e ntse e bolela hore morena o etsa qeto ka leano ka likhetho le lipotso tsa 07:09.850 --> 07:13.120 sechaba, ha ho na lipotso tsa sechaba Jeremane. 07:13.120 --> 07:17.026 Ha ho na molao oa likhetho, ka hona ha ho na khetho. 07:17.026 --> 07:24.218 Ebe ho na le Karolo ea 146, e behang hore sechaba sa Jeremane se ka amohela molao oa motheo o mocha kapa molao oa motheo. 07:24.218 --> 07:29.038 Babueledi ba bangata ba tsa molaotheo ba re serapa sena kapa karolo ena ha e sebetse, hore molao ona ha o sebetse. 07:29.038 --> 07:38.634 Ho ka buisana ka taba ena ka botebo, empa molaotheong o mong le o mong oa naha Jeremane, ho na le monyetla oa hore batho ba kenelle 07:38.634 --> 07:44.991 ka mafolofolo ho etseng melao ka mehato e meraro eo ke sa tsoa e bolela, hore ba iketsetse 07:44.991 --> 07:48.407 melao, 'me ka hona ba fetole melao ka bo bona. 07:48.407 --> 07:54.418 Mme ha se feela melao ya tshebediso e ka fetolang melao, empa e ka ba – jwalo ka ha ke boletse, ka ho supa hanyenyane ho 07:54.418 --> 08:00.600 Hesse – ya fetolang molaotheo naheng e nngwe le e nngwe ya kopanelo, ke hore, ya fetolang melao ya ho phedisana ha tsona. 08:00.600 --> 08:03.733 Ho na le boleng ba bohlokoa bo pedi bo lokelang ho tshehetswa. 08:03.733 --> 08:06.786 Ke molao-motheo wa demokerasi kamehla, e leng hore qeto e nngwe le e nngwe ya 08:06.786 --> 08:08.952 dipolotiki e tlameha ho thehwa hodima thato ya batho. 08:08.952 --> 08:13.398 Ya bobedi ke tiisetso ya seriti sa botho. Ka hoo, ha rea lokela ho fetola melao ka tsela 08:13.398 --> 08:15.798 eo tiisetso ya seriti sa botho e ka fediswang. 08:15.798 --> 08:21.501 Empa melao eo ke eona feela, 'me ka har'a melao eo, batho naheng ka 'ngoe ea kopanelo ba ka iketsetsa qeto. 08:21.501 --> 08:25.834 Kahoo, mohlala, re ka etsa qeto ea hore ha re sa batla ho khetha mmuso oa naha kapa paramente ea naha lilemo tse ling 08:25.834 --> 08:29.112 le tse ling tse hlano (nepahetse: tse 'ne), empa re batla ho ba khetha lilemo tse ling le tse ling tse peli. 08:29.112 --> 08:34.810 Kapa re ka etsa qeto ya hore ha re sa batla mmuso wa naha, empa paramente ya naha e lokela ho kgetha 08:34.810 --> 08:37.855 batsamaisi ho phetha mesebetsi e itseng jwalo-jwalo. 08:37.855 --> 08:44.080 Re ka boela ra felisa Palamente ka khopolo, haeba re ne re na le mokhoa o mong o sa emelang 08:44.080 --> 08:47.284 feela thato ea demokerasi, empa o e hlahisa. 08:47.284 --> 08:53.370 Kahoo re ka fetola lintho tse ngata, empa feela boemong ba naha-karolo, eseng kannete boemong ba naha kaofela. 08:53.370 --> 08:57.721 E, hoa thahasellisa haholo. Mme ts'ebetso e joalo e ka qalisoa joang? 08:57.721 --> 09:07.497 Ha re re re ne re batla ho fetola ho hong tsamaisong ena eohle ea lipolotiki, kapa hore re ne re batla ho fetola mokhoa oa ho 09:07.497 --> 09:14.770 khetha baahloli, mohlala, kapa esita le bachochisi ba sechaba, e le hore ba se ke ba hlola ba 09:14.770 --> 09:19.438 khethoa ke Lekala la Toka, empa ba khethoe ke sechaba. 09:19.438 --> 09:22.353 O ka etsa seo jwang? O ka nka bohato jwang? 09:22.353 --> 09:27.587 Ha e le hantle, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, melao yohle, ho kenyeleditswe le melaotheo ya dinaha, e ka fetolwa. 09:27.587 --> 09:32.040 Mme ka molao-motheo, mang kapa mang a ka qala morero feela; motho a le mong kapa ba babedi ba ka qala morero... 09:32.040 --> 09:32.760 …Joale, rona ba babedi? 09:32.760 --> 09:39.345 Re ka etsa ka bobeli – hantle, mohlomong eseng hona joale, hobane ha re duleng naheng e le nngwe, empa ka molao-motheo, e. 09:39.345 --> 09:44.876 Haeba re ne re phela naheng e le 'ngoe ea kopanelo, re ne re ka mpa ra re re batla phetoho molaong. 09:44.876 --> 09:49.989 Ebe re lokisa moralo oa molaoana, kamoo re o nahanang kateng – ka mantsoe a mang, seo re se etsang. 09:49.989 --> 09:50.454 Ee. 09:50.454 --> 09:56.992 Ho boetse ho na le liphapang. Le uena u ka kenya lipotso tsa sechaba, e leng se bolelang hore Paramente e tlameha 09:56.992 --> 10:02.977 ho sebetsana le lipotso tse itseng le ho tšoara kopano, kopano ea paramente, ho sebetsana le taba ena. 10:02.977 --> 10:10.276 Empa jwale, tlasa molao o tumileng, ka bobedi re ngola molaoana, ha re ka rialo, mme re o kenya, 10:10.276 --> 10:15.055 hangata ho komiti e okametseng ya paramente ya naha. 10:15.055 --> 10:20.607 Mme ebe ho tla phatlalatswa feela ka mokgwa o tlwaelehileng hore jwale ho qala mona 10:20.607 --> 10:23.495 boikitlaetso ba baahi, ka tokiso ena ya molao. 10:23.495 --> 10:28.845 Mme ka nako eo re ka qala ho bokella dikgetho bakeng sa tokiso ena ya molao eo re nang le yona. 10:28.845 --> 10:35.141 Mme hang ha re fihlelletse palo e itseng e hlokehang – mohatong wa pele, e batla e le tlase, dinaheng tse ding e le dikgetho 10:35.141 --> 10:41.490 tse 6,000 kapa tse 5,000 feela – hang ha re se re na le dikgetho tsena, re dumelletswe ho qala seo ho thoeng ke referendum. 10:41.490 --> 10:48.028 Sena se bolela hore paramente ya naha e tla shebisisa boipiletso ba baahi mme e ka nna ya bo amohela 10:48.028 --> 10:51.579 kapa ya bo hana. Maemong ao, ha ho be le referendum. 10:51.579 --> 10:58.535 Ebe e ea referendamong, 'me bakeng sa referendamo o tlameha ho bokella palo e itseng ea litlhaku ka nako e behiloeng, 10:58.535 --> 11:02.438 hangata e ba lipakeng tsa likhoeli tse tšeletseng le tse robeli. 11:02.438 --> 11:08.592 Mme hang ha palo ena e hlokehang e fetiloe, paramente ya naha e tla boela e shebisise taba ena mme e etse 11:08.592 --> 11:12.016 qeto ya hore na e amohela kgothaletso ya molao kapa tjhe. 11:12.016 --> 11:17.185 Mme haeba a sa dumele, ho tla ba le referendum, e leng jwaloka dikgetho. 11:17.185 --> 11:19.697 Ebe baahi ba bitsetsoa ho khetha ka Sontaha. 11:19.697 --> 11:24.313 Ebe ho thwe: Ho lokile. Baahi ba botswa hore na ba batla molao ona, e kapa tjhe. 11:24.313 --> 11:30.904 Joalokaha u boletse pontšong Berlin, qeto ea ho qetela e tlameha hape ho siuoa matsohong a batho. 11:30.904 --> 11:40.079 Ka hona, sena se ka qala ho phethahatsoa ka tsela ena ka melao-motheo ea naha. 11:40.079 --> 11:48.009 E, hantle-ntle. Nakong ea seoa sa coronavirus, re bone kamoo lipolotiki li kenteng mafatša maphelong a batho. 11:48.009 --> 11:53.665 Mme ke nahana hore ho lokela ho kgonahala hore batho ba itshireletse kgahlanong le maano ana a tshwenyang. 11:53.665 --> 11:58.813 Mme seo ke sa tswa se hlalosa, mehato ena, mehato ena e meraro, e nka nako e sa feleng. 11:58.813 --> 12:01.563 Mme ho fihlela ka nako eo, ehlile, re ne re ke ke ra thibela letho. 12:01.563 --> 12:08.258 Ke ka lebaka leo ke sisinyang hore re qale ka ho ngola seo ho thoeng ke tokelo ea veto litemaneng tsohle tsa linaha. 12:08.258 --> 12:12.905 Kahoo, ka kakaretso re re molao o mong le o mong le taelo e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe e entsoeng ke mmuso oa naha e tla 12:12.905 --> 12:15.399 qala ho sebetsa kamora likhoeli tse tharo, ha e le pele. 12:15.399 --> 12:21.399 Nakong ea likhoeli tsena tse tharo, batho ba nang le palo e itseng e hlokehang ba ba le nako ea ho bokella li-saenara. 12:21.399 --> 12:27.636 Mme haeba ba na le palo e itseng ya ditekeno, ke nahana hore ke karolo ya pedi le halofo lekholong ya baahi, empa seo se 12:27.636 --> 12:30.115 ka fetolwa, jwale ho tla ba le referendum mabapi le molao ona. 12:30.115 --> 12:33.065 Hobane ka nako eo, karolo ea pedi le halofo lekholong e ne e batla e re, ha re batle molao ona. 12:33.065 --> 12:36.774 Seo e seng ntho e nyane. Ke bolela hore, liperesente tse hlano ke sehlotšoana palamenteng ea naha. 12:36.774 --> 12:39.375 Kahoo mona, ba babedi le halofo ho isa ho makgolo ba re ha re batle sena. 12:39.375 --> 12:47.860 Hore sechaba kaofela, ke hore, baahi ba naha eo ea kopanelo, ebe ba khetha hore na ba batla molao kapa taelo ena. 12:47.860 --> 12:54.329 Empa haeba moetsamolao a hlahisa taelo kapa molao – hobane a re ho potlakile haholo, re tlameha ho e etsa kapele hona 12:54.329 --> 13:00.213 joale – haeba a sa fane ka nako ea likhoeli tse tharo, joale ho tlameha ho vouteloa molao ona, taelo ena. 13:00.213 --> 13:06.122 E le hore re se ke ra qetella re le boemong boo baetsi ba melao ba potlakelang ho fetisa melao. 13:06.122 --> 13:12.568 Ke dula ke re haeba batho ba ne ba ka kgetha mabapi le tlhokahalo ya ho roala maske, e ne e ke ke ya hlahiswa. 13:12.568 --> 13:19.221 E, tlhokahalo ea liqhobane e ile ea hlahisoa ha e le hantle ka leano la sephiri, 'me ke sena se ileng sa baka tšabo qalong, 13:19.221 --> 13:22.818 e ileng ea e-ba tlhokahalo ea hore batho ba entoe, mohlala. 13:22.818 --> 13:29.180 Mme re tlameha ho bolela hore haeba ba batla ho fetisa melao ka sephiring, ho ka rialo, e tlang ho qala ho sebetsa ka nako e 13:29.180 --> 13:34.516 khutšoanyane, joale bo-ralipolotiki ba tlameha hang-hang le kamehla ho beha melao ena hore e vouteloe ke 13:34.516 --> 13:37.568 sechaba e le hore sechaba se ka re "che" ha ho hlokahala. 13:37.568 --> 13:41.512 Ke lona tshwanelo ena ya veto, matla a ho qetela a ho etsa diqeto, jwalo ka ha ke dula ke bolela. Ee. 13:41.512 --> 13:46.918 Hore batho ba ka re "che" le hore lintho li ke ke tsa etsoa ka tsela ena. 13:46.918 --> 13:49.424 Re ka etsa seo. Re ka etsa seo naheng e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe ea kopanelo. 13:49.424 --> 13:55.381 Mme seo se ne se tla hlakisetsa boradipolotiki hore molao o mong le o mong oo ba o etsang – joale, mohlala, boemong ba mmuso 13:55.381 --> 13:58.384 o moholo, e ne e le hantle likoloto tsena tseo ba li entseng. 13:58.384 --> 14:02.202 Empa, mohlala, ho ka kgonahala hape ho bolela... Le ka melao ya mmuso wa kopanelo, Lekgotla la 14:02.202 --> 14:04.434 Kopanelo le tlameha ho fana ka tumello ya lona. 14:04.434 --> 14:09.789 Mme haeba rona, re le baahi ba dinaha tsa mmuso o kopaneng, re bolella mmuso hore ha ba a dumellwa ho dumellana le sena, 14:09.789 --> 14:12.535 jwale dikoloto tsena di ka be di sa kang tsa ba teng, mohlala. 14:12.535 --> 14:18.103 Mme rona, re le sechaba, re tlameha ho ba le matla ana, e le hore re se ke ra kgetha hang feela ebe ha re sa laola seo 14:18.103 --> 14:23.718 boradipolotiki ba se etsang maemong a itseng, dikopano tsa mekgatlo tseo ho thehwang, le kamoo boradipolotiki ba etsang 14:23.718 --> 14:28.012 diqeto kateng, empa e le hore rona, re le baahi, re ka bua nako efe kapa efe tabeng e nngwe 14:28.012 --> 14:31.239 le e nngwe ya dipolotiki, "Ha re batle seo." 14:31.239 --> 14:38.910 Na ho se ho na le matšoao a hore lihlopha li sebetsa nqa ena, hore li nkile bohato? 14:38.910 --> 14:41.871 E, mohopolo o ka morao ho tsohle ke ho etsa hore e be e sa laolweng ke setsi se le seng ka ho feletseng. 14:41.871 --> 14:44.376 Kahoo ha re batle hore mokgatlo o itseng o bohareng o etse seo. 14:44.376 --> 14:49.246 Ho e-na le hoo, re ile ra bolela feela hore lintho tse peli li bohlokoa haholo ho rona. 14:49.246 --> 14:56.332 Mekgatlo le mekgatlo e etsang sena e tlameha ka boyona ho sebedisana ka mokgwa wa demokerasi ka tsela e itseng. 14:56.332 --> 14:58.480 Re re, kamehla etsa liqeto tse thehiloeng kamohelong. 14:58.480 --> 15:02.931 Sena se bolela hore haeba re batla ho ba le puso ya batho ka batho ya nnete, re tlameha ho qala ka ho e 15:02.931 --> 15:05.160 itlwaetsa ka borona, leha e le ka tekanyo e nyane. 15:05.160 --> 15:08.805 Sena se bolela hore re ke ke ra batla hore sechaba sa rona e be sa demokerasi. 15:08.805 --> 15:13.556 Mme rona ka borona, ka tekanyo e nyane, sebakeng seo re sebeletsang ho sona, ha re sebeletse mmoho ka mokgwa wa 15:13.556 --> 15:16.277 demokerasi, ha re sebeletse ka mokgwa o thehilweng kamohelong. 15:16.277 --> 15:21.503 Kahoo ke qeto ya bohlokwa tlasa maemo ana. 15:21.503 --> 15:27.307 Mme ntlha ya bobedi ke ho nahana ka hore na re ka kgothaletsa batho ba bangata kamoo ho ka kgonehang jwang, ho 15:27.307 --> 15:33.605 netefatsa hore ho bokellwa ditekeno tse lekaneng bakeng sa referendum e jwalo, kapa qalong bakeng sa boipiletso. 15:33.605 --> 15:38.199 Mme sena se lokela ho ba se ikemetseng ka ho feletseng, se etswe ke dihlopha tse nyane tseo ho leng betere haholo hore di etse 15:38.199 --> 15:43.092 qeto moo di leng teng ho feta hore mang kapa mang ya bohareng a etse qeto ka hore na mathata ke afe, ke eng se kgahlang, jj. 15:43.092 --> 15:46.490 Mme ho na le maiteko a mangata haholo a ntseng a thehwa hona jwale. 15:46.490 --> 15:50.772 Ha e le hantle re ile ra fana ka tlhahiso feela mme ra re, "Tloo, etsa ho hong." 15:50.772 --> 15:53.537 Mme jwale re memilwe Baden-Württemberg. 15:53.537 --> 16:00.670 Ho na le selekane se seholo sa maiteko a batlang ho etsa sena, a batlang ho se kenya tšebetsong. 16:00.670 --> 16:08.037 Ke sa tsoa fihla ho tsoa Saxony-Anhalt, nakoana pele ho puisano ena. Ke ne ke le Güsten, Saxony-Anhalt. 16:08.037 --> 16:13.591 Palo e kholo ea litho le mekhatlo ea lehae ea mokhatlo oa metheo oa DieBasis, o bileng o thahasellang 16:13.591 --> 16:16.936 mofuta ona oa demokrasi ea metheo, ba ile ba kopana moo. 16:16.936 --> 16:21.539 Mme ke sona hantle seo re se entseng. Ha e le hantle, re ile ra buisana feela ka hore na ke 16:21.539 --> 16:24.436 hobaneng motho a lokela ho kgetha kgetho ya motheo. 16:24.436 --> 16:28.022 Mme ka mokgwa o makatsang, sephetho e bile sona hantle seo: 16:28.022 --> 16:33.783 Hobane ke rona ba qetellang re phethahatsa mofuta ona wa demokerasi ya metheo – moo diqeto di etswang ho tloha tlase ho ya 16:33.783 --> 16:38.752 hodimo, eseng ho tloha hodimo ho ya tlase, moo matla a sa bokellwang bohareng, moo diqeto tsohle tsa bohlokwa 16:38.752 --> 16:43.897 di etswang sebakeng sa heso, le moo motho e mong le e mong a nkang karolo diqetong tsohle tsa dipolotiki. 16:43.897 --> 16:48.740 Ha e le hantle, ke sona se ikhethang ka setheo. Mme re batla ho fetisetsa molaetsa oo ka matla ho lefatshe le kantle. 16:48.740 --> 16:53.311 Ka ho toba mohopolo ona, e leng hore: liqeto li etsoa tlase, eseng holimo. 16:53.311 --> 16:58.752 Ha re hloke ofisi e kholo ho re etsetsa liqeto; ho e-na le hoo, liqeto tsohle tsa bohlokoa tse 16:58.752 --> 17:01.554 amang maphelo a rona li etsoa sebakeng sa heso. 17:01.554 --> 17:07.597 Mme he, ka molao-motheo, ha o na le sebaka se seholo sa naha jwalo-jwalo, diqeto di ka etswa sebakeng seo e 17:07.597 --> 17:10.140 le hore diqeto di ka etswa ka kopanelo bakeng sa bohle. 17:10.140 --> 17:17.641 E, hoa thahasellisa haholo, hobane o dula o utlwa batho ba re ba maemong a hodimo ba etsa sohle seo ba se 17:17.641 --> 17:22.037 batlang ka rona mme ha ho letho leo re ka le etsang ka hona. 17:22.037 --> 17:24.623 Ba tlameha ho mamella tsohle tseo, feela joaloka pula le lehloa. 17:24.623 --> 17:29.944 Sekhama sa sekoloto se a lokolloa mme naha ea rona e oela ka lebelo le leholo. 17:29.944 --> 17:34.020 Empa ke ntho e thahasellisang haholo hore qetellong tsela e ntse e fumaneha. 17:34.020 --> 17:41.657 Nka etsa eng hona joale, mohlala, nka kenela hokae haeba ke ne ke thahasella, jwalo ka ha o boletse, ho nka 17:41.657 --> 17:45.955 hape matla ao haele hantle e leng a ka? Nka etsa eng? 17:45.955 --> 17:56.791 Kahoo, pele ho tsohle, ho lekane hore o qale feela sehlopha sebakeng sa heno. 17:56.791 --> 17:59.143 Kapa ha ho hlokahale hore e be sehlopha; re e bitsa sele. 17:59.143 --> 18:06.913 Kahoo kopana le metswalle ya heno – haholoholo sebakeng sa heno – kopana le batho. 18:06.913 --> 18:10.117 Mme o bale, mohlala, "Hobaneng Mafu la Mela a Thotobela?" ya Rainer Mausfeld. 18:10.117 --> 18:15.799 Hobane Rainer Mausfeld o hlahlobile hantle haholo bukeng ena kamoo tsamaiso ea rona ea lipolotiki e sebetsang kateng, hore na 18:15.799 --> 18:20.845 ke hobane'ng ha re se na lentsoe, le hore na ke hobane'ng ha re na le puso ea batho ka boemeli e se nang kamano 18:20.845 --> 18:23.461 le demokrasi 'me e sa re lumelleng ho iketsetsa liqeto. 18:23.461 --> 18:26.800 Morero ke ofe? Monghadi Mausfeld o reng? 18:26.800 --> 18:33.727 Hantle, Monghadi Mausfeld o bolela hore, ha e le hantle, ena ke tokomane ya motheo ya United States of America, e 18:33.727 --> 18:37.736 batlang e le molaotheo wa pele, molaotheo wa pele wa demokerasi. 18:37.736 --> 18:40.435 Hantle, ho na le ngangisano ka seo; molaotheo oa Poland o bile kapele. 18:40.435 --> 18:44.800 Empa molaotheo oa pele o moholo oa demokrasi e ne e le, ehlile, Molaotheo oa Amerika. 18:44.800 --> 18:49.450 Mme ehlile Bathehi ba Amerika ba ile ba ngangisana ka taba ena ka nako eo: 18:49.450 --> 18:55.419 Na re batla ho hlahisa puso ea sechaba ka kotloloho, moo re kenyang letsoho batho ho etsa liqeto, kapa re batla puso ea 18:55.419 --> 18:58.403 boemeli – eo ha e le hantle e leng khanyetsano ea mantsoe. 18:58.403 --> 19:03.324 Demokrasi ea boemeli – ntho e ka ba ea boemeli kapa ea demokrasi – kahoo demokrasi ea 19:03.324 --> 19:06.598 boemeli, ha u e nahana ka hloko, ke khanyetsano. 19:06.598 --> 19:14.978 Mme ka nako eo, ho ile ha hlaka hore haeba re ne re na le matla a nnete a demokerasi a ho etsa liqeto a tsoang setjhabeng, leruo la 19:14.978 --> 19:20.735 barui le ne le tla ba kotsing, hobane bafumanehi ba ka nna ba etsa qeto ka demokerasi hore 19:20.735 --> 19:24.207 tjhelete kapa thepa e abuwe ka tsela e fapaneng. 19:24.207 --> 19:26.022 Kahoo e ne e le taba ea moruo feela, ehlile. 19:26.022 --> 19:30.973 Mme ka mora moo ra nahana ka hore na re ka ntse re ka e bitsa jwang demokerasi, empa 19:30.973 --> 19:33.853 re e hlophisa ka tsela eo e seng demokerasi. 19:33.853 --> 19:36.551 Mme ke yona puso ya demokerasi ya boemedi eo jwale re nang le yona. 19:36.551 --> 19:39.793 Kahoo, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, seo o sa tswa se bua, ka tsela eo batho ba se itemoang ka 19:39.793 --> 19:41.512 yona, ha e le hantle ke kamoo ho leng kateng. 19:41.512 --> 19:44.348 Ba kaholimo ba etsa ho hong mme rona ha re na matla a ho etsa qeto ka letho. 19:44.348 --> 19:50.325 Maikutlo ana ha a qhekelle, empa ho tjena: re inkela sefapano sa rona, 'me ho fella moo... 19:50.325 --> 19:52.090 Ke phetho, ha re tsebe letho ho hang! 19:52.090 --> 19:59.193 Kahoo mang kapa mang ea ileng a voutela CDU hona joale mohlomong o ne a sa lebella ho qetella a na le maano a botala le ho feta 19:59.193 --> 20:02.900 a pele le Mokha oa Ma-Green, oo ba ileng ba ba ntsha pusong. 20:02.900 --> 20:04.809 E kanna yaba seo e ne e se seo batho ba neng ba se batla. 20:04.809 --> 20:09.755 Ha ke tsebe, empa ke nahana hore ba ne ba sa batle, ho seng jwalo ba ka be ba votetse Ba-Greens eseng CDU. 20:09.755 --> 20:13.068 Empa ha ho letho leo ba ka le etsang. Joale ba tla lula moo lilemo tse 'ne, ebe batho ba tla 20:13.068 --> 20:14.965 nahana, ho lokile, nakong e tlang re tla ba bontša. 20:14.965 --> 20:17.489 Empa lekhetlong lena ha re kgethe CDU, re kgethela SPD. 20:17.489 --> 20:20.528 Ke seo re se iphumanang re le sona kamehla. Ebe ha ho letho le fetohang hape. 20:20.528 --> 20:24.169 Ebe ba makala hape ka ho feletseng ha ba bang ba fihla, empa ha ho letho le fetohang hape. 20:24.169 --> 20:29.106 Hobane ha re kgone ho susumetsa diqeto tsa dipolotiki tsa motho ka mong. 20:29.106 --> 20:34.122 Mme re ka etsa seo ka molao tlasa melao-motheo ya dinaha, empa ha re etse. 20:34.122 --> 20:37.892 Rainer Mausfeld o bua jwalo. Ba tshwana le boqapi ba thetso ba emeng ka pela hae. 20:37.892 --> 20:42.607 Minyako ena e teng, mme boqapi ba thetso, e leng boloi, bo ema ka pele ho yona mme ka katleho bo 20:42.607 --> 20:45.512 e pata ho rona, monyako oo re ka kenang ka ona. 20:45.512 --> 20:50.158 Mme demokerasi ya boemedi e ka hlaloswa e le puso ya sehlotshwana sa maemo a hodimo, puso ya sehlotshwana sa 20:50.158 --> 20:52.592 dikgetho, aristokrasi, kapa eng kapa eng eo o e ratang. 20:52.592 --> 21:00.473 Hobane re dumelletswe ho kgetha ho tswa ho sehlopha se itseng sa maemo a hodimo ba tla re busa dilemo tse nne tse tlang. 21:00.473 --> 21:03.083 Empa ha e le hantle ha re na kgetho ya ho fetola letho. 21:03.083 --> 21:07.122 Re ka etsa seo feela haeba re ka kena-kenana le liqeto tsa lipolotiki tsa motho ka mong. 21:07.122 --> 21:10.489 Mme ditshitiso di phahame haholo. Ke sona seo re sa kgoneng ho se etsa hona jwale. 21:10.489 --> 21:12.408 Mme mohopolo wa tokoloho o qala ka palo ya 1. 21:12.408 --> 21:18.436 Kahoo, mabapi le morero ona oo ke o qalileng Berlin, ho lokela ho bolelwa hore re hloka ho beha matla a ho etsa 21:18.436 --> 21:24.217 diqeto, matla a ho qetela a ho etsa diqeto bakeng sa ditaba ka bonngwe tsa dipolotiki, matsohong a batho. 21:24.217 --> 21:27.090 Re tlameha ho etsa qeto: na re batla ho tlosa thibelo ea sekoloto? 21:27.090 --> 21:30.372 Re tlameha ho etsa qeto ka hore na tsamaiso ea rona ea thuto e hlophisitsoe joang. 21:30.372 --> 21:34.180 Re tlameha ho etsa qeto ka hore na tsamaiso ea rona ea toka e hlophisitsoe joang. 21:34.180 --> 21:39.106 Re tlameha ho etsa qeto ka hore na re batla matla a rona a be jwang, jwalo-jwalo. 21:39.106 --> 21:40.770 Re ka iketsetsa liqeto tsena kaofela. 21:40.770 --> 21:49.856 Mme ke tiisa hore ha ho motho a ka etsang qeto e mpe ho feta ea setsebi kapa mang kapa mang ea khethiloeng ho ba setsebi. 21:49.856 --> 21:52.278 Ba amohelehile ho fana ka keletso le maikutlo a bona tabeng ena. 21:52.278 --> 21:55.892 Empa ho 'na, ke lumela hore ke na le bokhoni bo felletseng ba ho iketsetsa liqeto, 'me ke tšepa hore 21:55.892 --> 21:57.760 le ba bang bohle Jeremane ba tla etsa se tšoanang. 21:57.760 --> 22:03.670 Hantle, ha ho shejoa maano a lilemo tsa morao tjena, ho lokela ho hlaka ho bohle hore ba 22:03.670 --> 22:09.239 ka be ba entse mosebetsi o betere ka bo bona. 22:09.239 --> 22:18.473 Kahoo nka qala ho theha lekala sebakeng sa heso mme ke nke boikarabelo moo. 22:18.473 --> 22:23.567 Empa nka fumana khothatso hokae, mohlala, kapa ho fumana maikutlo? 22:23.567 --> 22:28.434 Na ho na le websaete moo motho a ka ithutang haholoanyane ka sena? Na le ka re fa keletso? 22:28.434 --> 22:37.622 Kahoo websaete ha e so be teng inthaneteng, empa "freiheit-beginnt-mit-nein.de" e teng. 22:37.622 --> 22:40.137 Jwalokaha ho ngotswe mona: Tokoloho e qala ka tjhe. 22:40.137 --> 22:46.153 Leqephe lena le ka nna la se le le inthaneteng nakong eo puisano ena e hatisoang. 22:46.153 --> 22:51.040 Hona joale re mothating oa ho qetela oa ho e phethela. Tlhahisoleseding e tla fumaneha ka nako eo. 22:51.040 --> 22:55.262 Empa mohopolo o teng, hape ho tla ba le monyetla oa ho theha likamano. 22:55.262 --> 23:00.616 Empa kgetho ya ho hokahana e tla hlophiswa ka tsela eo o tla tlameha ho hokahana ka mokgwa wa analoko. 23:00.616 --> 23:05.601 Mme seo se ka ntan'o hlahisoa hape ka mokhoa oa dijithale. Kahoo ha re batle hore batho ba hokahane ka dijithale. 23:05.601 --> 23:08.995 E le hore batho, joalokaha re ntse re iponela hona joale, ba ngole ho e-na le e-na mecheng ea litaba tsa 23:08.995 --> 23:12.780 sechaba le tse ling, ba hlahise khalefo ea bona, ba be le mehopolo e mengata, ba ngole lintho tse ngata. 23:12.780 --> 23:16.679 Ho e-na le hoo, batho ba hloka ho theha likamano le batho ba sebakeng sa habo bona ka seqo. 23:16.679 --> 23:22.119 Mme haeba ba hokahane ka tsela e tshwanang, ba ka boela ba bontsha portaleng hore re sehlopha 23:22.119 --> 23:24.106 kapa sela, re mona, re batla ho etsa ho hong. 23:24.106 --> 23:29.866 Ka mor'a moo ba ka boela ba kopa thuso ho ba bang, ba fana ka thuso ho ba bang, joalo-joalo. 23:29.866 --> 23:32.007 Empa rona re shebane haholo le marangrang a tšoanang. 23:32.007 --> 23:40.704 Re batla hore batho ba hokahane le ba bang sebakeng sa heno, ba qale ho buisana, mme ba lule ba hopotse mohopolo 23:40.704 --> 23:48.376 ona: re ka fetola sechaba sena ka ho qetella re bokeletse litlhaku tse lekaneng bakeng sa referendamo ena. 23:48.376 --> 23:56.336 Hobane mohato ona oa bobeli o thata haholo; ho fumana litlhaku tse 200,000 ho thata haholo. Saxony, ke 450,000. 23:56.336 --> 23:59.368 Empa re ka kgona ha batho ba ikopanya esale pele. 23:59.368 --> 24:01.516 Mme ba lokela ho buisana ka dipolotiki ba le hara bona. 24:01.516 --> 24:08.203 Empa ba lokela hape ho ithuta ho theha sebaka sa ngangisano – sena ke ntho eo Rainer Mausfeld le eena a e bolelang – 24:08.203 --> 24:14.626 moo ba ka tšohla litaba ka bolokolohi, ka toka le ka demokrasi, le moo maikutlo a feteletseng a ka mamelloang. 24:14.626 --> 24:19.190 Ha ho lokela ho ba le li-firewall. Maikutlo a feteletseng a bohlokoa bakeng sa ho theha maikutlo 24:19.190 --> 24:22.001 demokerasing. Maikutlo a feteletseng ha a ke a hlola. 24:22.001 --> 24:26.451 Empa li hlokahala e le hore ho fumanoe maikutlo a nepahetseng a sechaba, le pono e pharaletseng 24:26.451 --> 24:29.243 ea sechaba, ho sa tsotellehe boholo ba sechaba. 24:29.243 --> 24:35.321 Mme ke sona seo batho ba se ithutang. Ke mohopolo wa rona hore ba qale ho buisana ka dintho ba 24:35.321 --> 24:38.060 le jwalo, e le hore ba utlwisise ka tsela ena: 24:38.060 --> 24:41.579 Re atleha jwang hantle ho etsa diqeto tseo bohle ba ka di tshehetsang? 24:41.579 --> 24:45.149 Mme haeba re ka e etsa ka tekanyo e nyane, re ka e etsa le ka tekanyo e kgolo. 24:45.149 --> 24:56.388 E, hantle, haeba ke utlwisisa ka nepo, ho bohlokwa ho ithuta ho buisana hape, ho ithuta ho mamella maikutlo a ba bang, ho ithuta 24:56.388 --> 25:04.992 ho sebetsa mmoho ho fihlella sepheo se le seng, le ho ikemisetsa ho nka boikarabelo, ho ikemisetsa 25:04.992 --> 25:09.485 ho etsa diqeto, ho tobana le mathata jwalo-jwalo. 25:09.485 --> 25:14.534 Empa seo ha se bolele ho se nehelana ho boradipolotiki ba etsang eng kapa eng eo ba e batlang ka uena, empa ke ho pheta hape: 25:14.534 --> 25:21.584 Kannete ke na le boits'epo, ke nka boikarabello matsohong a ka hape. 25:21.584 --> 25:24.231 Ntho ya bohlokwa ka ho fetisisa ke ntlha ya bohlokwa haholo. 25:24.231 --> 25:29.205 U boletse puong ea hau hore ha u a kenyeletsa ntlha ea bohlokoa haholo, kapa ha e le hantle ntlha ea 25:29.205 --> 25:32.214 bohlokoa ka ho fetisisa ho 'na, lenaneng la hau la lintlha. 25:32.214 --> 25:35.339 Ka sebele o ne o nahana jwalo, empa ha o a ka wa e bua, e leng hore: Ntho ya 25:35.339 --> 25:38.046 bohlokwahadi ha se ho buisana, empa ke ho mamellaneng. 25:38.046 --> 25:42.617 Re bua khafetsa. Ka mohlala, ha re shebella mananeo ana a lipuisano a fumanehang hohle thelevisheneng, 25:42.617 --> 25:45.309 batho ba bangata ba bua. Empa ha ho na ea mamellanang. 25:45.309 --> 25:51.551 Mme tsamaiso eo re e sisinyang, ke hore re fana ka tlhahiso ya mokgwa o itseng oo disele di ka fihlelang diqeto 25:51.551 --> 25:57.542 mmoho ka ona, e leng ka ho aha tumellano e akaretsang, ha e le hantle e mabapi le ho mamellanang qalong. 25:57.542 --> 26:00.895 Motho e mong le e mong o na le monyetla o tšoanang oa ho itlhalosa, 'me ha ho ea 26:00.895 --> 26:02.972 lumelloang ho nyatsa ba bang ka seo ba se buang. 26:02.972 --> 26:08.024 Ho e-na le hoo, polelo e ntse e le teng. Kahoo re botsa potso, re batla ho rarolla bothata, ebe ho ba le likarabo tsa lona. 26:08.024 --> 26:11.881 Mme e mong le e mong o dumelletswe ho fana ka karabo ya hae, mme ha ho ya dumelletsweng ho nyatsa karabo ya e mong. 26:11.881 --> 26:16.191 Mme ha re botsa kamora moo, boitshwaro ba hao bo matla hakae? 26:16.191 --> 26:21.584 Joale o ikutloa joang ka hare ha o re ke eona karabo e nepahetseng potsolotsong ena? O ikutloa joang ka nako eo? 26:21.584 --> 26:25.454 Ke ka lebaka leo ba reng tokoloho e qala ka ho re che. Hobane haeba ke utlwa hore ntho e itseng 26:25.454 --> 26:27.475 ha e ntle ho nna, ke tlameha ho kgona ho re che. 26:27.475 --> 26:30.217 Ke tlameha ho bolela, ha ke batle seo – jwaloka ka ente ya coronavirus kapa ka maske. 26:30.217 --> 26:33.695 Ha ke hlokomela hore ha ke batle seo, ke tlameha ho khona ho re che. Hobane ke lona tokoloho. 26:33.695 --> 26:37.220 Tokoloho ke ho kgona ho re: Tjhe, ha ke batle seo. E ama nna feela. 26:37.220 --> 26:40.678 Mme tokoloho e dula e qala ka "tjhe". Ke ka hoo e bitswang jwalo. 26:40.678 --> 26:46.376 Hobane nako le nako ha ke re, emang, ke utlwa kganetso mona, mme ho theha maikutlo a sehlopha, mme ke hlokomela hore ha ke 26:46.376 --> 26:49.677 batle seo, jwale ke re: Emang, tjhe, ha ke phutholoha ka seo! 26:49.677 --> 26:51.999 Mme sehlopha se mamela! Mme sehlopha se hlokomela: 26:51.999 --> 26:55.757 Ho lokile, motho eo o utlwa bohloko, kahoo mohlomong re hloka ho fetola qeto ya rona 26:55.757 --> 26:57.840 hanyane hore bohloko ba motho e mong bo fele. 26:57.840 --> 27:03.764 Mme ka tshohanyetso o fumana tharollo e amohelwang ke sehlopha kaofela, kapa sele, kapa setjhaba. 27:03.764 --> 27:11.124 Kahoo qetellong, tokelo ea veto ha se letho le fetang hoo. Re lula re fumana litharollo tse amohelehang ho ba amehang. 27:11.124 --> 27:15.280 Hobane re mamela 'che' ho tsoa ho mang kapa mang ea reng, 'Ha ke phutholoha ka seo'. 27:15.280 --> 27:20.006 Ke mohopolo o ka morao ho sona. Mme mang kapa mang a ka se etsa. 27:20.006 --> 27:22.180 Empa o ka etsa seo o le mong feela. 27:22.180 --> 27:26.074 Ha re ka ke ra hlophisa kapa ra abela sena motho e mong ka tsela efe kapa efe, empa re ka se kgothaletsa feela. 27:26.074 --> 27:30.569 Mme batho ba etsa jwalo. Mme re ka kenya tshebetsong seo le setjhabeng. 27:30.569 --> 27:39.538 E. U boletse hore ha re na demokerasi ea 'nete hobane re na le demokerasi ea boemeli. 27:39.538 --> 27:47.947 Joale o boetse o boletse, qetellong ea puisano ena, empa o mpolelletse hore ho bile le mathata ka likhetho 27:47.947 --> 27:56.897 tsena, hore ha li a ka tsa tšoaroa ka mokhoa oa demokrasi. Ho bonahala eka ho bile le mano a itseng. 27:56.897 --> 28:03.718 Sa pele, na o ka hlalosetsa nna le bashebelli hape hore na ke eng se senotsoeng kapa se tsebahalitsoeng, 28:03.718 --> 28:08.180 le hore na sena se ka thibeloa joang nakong e tlang? 28:08.180 --> 28:15.816 Kahoo, pele ho tsohle, ketso e le 'ngoe feela eo sechaba se ikemetseng sa Jeremane se lumelletsoeng ho e nka ke (likhetho). 28:15.816 --> 28:19.487 Ke boletse pejana hore, ka pono ea ka, ha se morena, hobane ha a lumelloe ho fetola melao. 28:19.487 --> 28:23.623 Empa ho jwalo feela: ketso e le nngwe feela eo mookamedi a dumelletsweng ho e etsa ke 28:23.623 --> 28:26.121 ho kgetha, ke hore, ho tshwaya lebokoseng. 28:26.121 --> 28:35.925 Mme seo se bolela hore ho lokela ho netefatsoe hore bonyane ketso ena ea morena e hlile e bontša se reriloeng. 28:35.925 --> 28:40.155 Seo se bolela hore re lokela ho nahana kannete, hore, re Jeremane, mme Jeremane ke 28:40.155 --> 28:43.269 demokerasi, hape ke naha e busang ka molao oa motheo. 28:43.269 --> 28:48.519 Mme naheng ya Jeremane, tshebetso ena ya dikgetho e tla tswela pele ka tsela e hlophisehileng. 28:48.519 --> 28:51.363 Ha re hloke ho bua ka mano ho hang. 28:51.363 --> 28:56.254 Pele ho tsohle, re ka bua ka taba ea hore ha ho na sebopeho ho hang, e le hore e ka sebetsa hantle. 28:56.254 --> 29:02.386 Ha Mohlanka oa Mmuso oa Kopanelo oa Liphetho a phatlalatsa sephetho sa semmuso, sa nakoana sa ho qetela mantsiboea, ha a 29:02.386 --> 29:05.871 tsebe hore na ho na le litereke tsa likhetho tse kae Jeremane. 29:05.871 --> 29:10.388 Ha a tsebe seo. Di tlalehilwe. Empa o tlameha ho amohela ditlaleho dife kapa dife tse kenang, 29:10.388 --> 29:12.097 empa ha a tsebe seo. Ha a na pono e akaretsang. 29:12.097 --> 29:17.053 Kahoo ha o ka mmotsa letsatsi pele ho likhetho hore na batho ba tla be ba kgetha makala a makae 29:17.053 --> 29:19.675 hosane, a ke ke a kgona ho bolela hobane ha a tsebe. 29:19.675 --> 29:27.573 Kahoo ho na le palo X ea litereke tsa likhetho, 'me ha ho motho ea tsebang hore li hokae pele ho likhetho. 29:27.573 --> 29:30.355 Ha ho na ngoliso e bohareng ea litereke tsa likhetho. 29:30.355 --> 29:36.013 Joale o ka hlola dipoelo jwang ha o sa tsebe le hore na batho ba voutela kae, hore na ke batho ba bakae ba 29:36.013 --> 29:40.260 voutelang, kapa hore na ba voutela jwang? Ha ho ya tsebang. 29:40.260 --> 29:45.401 Ke hore, re thehile mokgatlo ona o bitswang WABEO, o emetseng tlhokomelo ya dikgetho. 29:45.401 --> 29:50.671 Ha e le hantle e ne e lokela ho thakholoa ka Loetse, nakong ea likhetho tse akaretsang tse neng li reriloe, 29:50.671 --> 29:55.234 eaba e tlameha ho kopanngoa ho tloha qalong ka hare ho likhoeli tse tharo, ke ba e entseng. 29:55.234 --> 29:59.452 Ke dumela hore le lona le bile le puisano mona le Stephanie Tsomakaeva, ya qalileng taba ena yohle ho tloha qalong. 29:59.452 --> 30:06.733 Kahoo, e ne e le mosali ea hlwahlwa haholo, ea matla, ea sebelitseng ka thata ho etsa hore lintho li atlehe. 30:06.733 --> 30:14.161 Mme batho ba ile ba ingodisa, kahoo o ne o tseba hore ke batho ba nnete, eseng li-zombie tsa mecha ea litaba ea sechaba kapa li-bot 30:14.161 --> 30:19.378 kapa ntho e joalo, empa ke batho ba nnete – ba ileng ba tlameha ho ingodisa le ho netefatsoa 30:19.378 --> 30:22.460 hore ba ngolisitsoe – ba ile ba shebella likhetho. 30:22.460 --> 30:27.275 Palo e feletseng ea batho ba 3,700 e ne e le leetong – e leng ntho e e-s'o ka e etsahala nalaneng ea Rephaboliki ea Federale ea 30:27.275 --> 30:30.171 Jeremane – ho bona hore na likhetho li hlile li etsahala joang. 30:30.171 --> 30:33.696 Mme jwale ho na le melao e itseng e lokelang ho latelwa ha ho kgethwa. 30:33.696 --> 30:40.410 Ka mohlala, hore setsi sa kgetho se butswe ho tloha ka 8 hoseng ho fihlela ka 6 mantsiboya, hore kgetho ke ya sephiring, hore ha 30:40.410 --> 30:46.547 ho na dipapatso tsa dikgetho ka hare kapa haufi le setsi sa kgetho, kapa hore batho ha ba fuwe keletso mabapi le hore 30:46.547 --> 30:53.453 na ba kgethe mang ka setsing sa kgetho, kapa hore ha ho motho e mong ya dumelletsweng ho kena ka phaposing ya ho kgetha. 30:53.453 --> 30:58.220 Kapa hamorao, e koala ka 6 mantsiboea, mme dikgetho ha di balwe pele ho 6 mantsiboea. 30:58.220 --> 31:01.314 Batho baa dumellwa ho ba teng le ho shebella tshebetso yohle. 31:01.314 --> 31:04.423 Mme kamora moo, ha dikgetho di ntse di balwa, batho le bona ba dumelletswe ho ba teng le ho shebella. 31:04.423 --> 31:07.111 Shebella ka tsela eo ba bonang se etsahalang. 31:07.111 --> 31:11.544 Mme ha dikgetho kaofela di se di balilwe, komiti ya dikgetho ya setereke seo sa dikgetho e tlameha ho 31:11.544 --> 31:14.158 phatlalatsa diphetho tsa dikgetho ka lentswe le phahameng. 31:14.158 --> 31:20.840 O tlameha ho phatlalatsa diphetho tsa dikgetho setsing sa hae sa dikgetho hore setjhaba se tsebe hore tsena ke diphetho tsa 31:20.840 --> 31:27.306 dikgetho, tseo ke ntanang ka tsona ho mookamedi ya phahameng ho feta, hangata e le molaodi wa dikgetho wa setereke. 31:27.306 --> 31:28.673 Mme ho bile le mefokolo. 31:28.673 --> 31:30.640 Hantle-ntle. Mme jwale ntlha ke ena. 31:30.640 --> 31:32.830 Hona joale ho na le ho se tsamaee hantle ho hongata. 31:32.830 --> 31:36.305 Tsena ke metheo ea motheo ea likhetho, likhetho tsa demokrasi. 31:36.305 --> 31:44.033 Ke hona moo. Pele ho tsohle, ho tlameha ho bolelwe hore re fumane maikutlo a mangata haholo, e leng ntho e thabisang haholo. 31:44.033 --> 31:48.305 Mme re ka re ho 80% ya maikutlo, tsohle di tsamaile hantle. 31:48.305 --> 31:55.931 Ho 80% ya diterekeng tsa dikgetho, ho ya ka seo re ka se bonang motsotsong ona, dikgetho di tsamaile hantle. 31:55.931 --> 32:01.640 Kahoo melao ena eohle ea motheo, metheo le metheo ea likhetho li ile tsa lateloa. Maemong a 20%, sena ha sea ka sa etsahala. 32:01.640 --> 32:09.057 Maemong a 20%, ba ile ba koala liteishene tsa likhetho ka 5:30 p.m., ba leleka bahlokomeli ba likhetho hobane ba ne ba 32:09.057 --> 32:12.853 sa ba batle moo, mme ba ba beha bohōle ba limithara tse 20. 32:12.853 --> 32:17.351 Tse ling tsa liteishene tsena tsa likhetho ha e le hantle ke lijimi. 32:17.351 --> 32:22.533 Mme yaba ba sutisetswa pele ka dimithara tse 20, moo ehlile o sa boneng ho hang se etsahalang hodima mokgobo o mong le o mong. 32:22.533 --> 32:26.072 Maemong a mang, ha ba a ka ba phatlalatsa diphetho tsa dikgetho ka lentswe le phahameng. 32:26.072 --> 32:30.840 Ee, ho etsahetse lintho tse ngata moo tse neng li sa lokela ho etsahala. 32:30.840 --> 32:38.870 Mme ha jwale ha re sheba hore mokgatlo wa Sahra Wagenknecht o salletse morao ka dikgetho tse 9,000 feela ho fihlella seo o se 32:38.870 --> 32:46.257 hlokang ho kena ho Bundestag, re ka bona hore, ka kakaretso, ho na le ditheo tsa dikgetho tse 300 feela moo diphoso 32:46.257 --> 32:50.533 tse jwalo di etsahetseng, e leng palo eo re e tlalehileng. 32:50.533 --> 32:55.986 300, tseo re seng re tlalehile ka tsona, litereke tsa likhetho tse 300 li na le mekhoa ena e sa lokang. 32:55.986 --> 33:02.542 Mme ha re tsebe dipalo tsohle tsa bakgethi ditsing tsena tsa dikgetho, empa ho tseo re di tsebang, ho na le dikgetho tse 33:02.542 --> 33:09.589 99,000 feela moo ho neng ho ena le ho se tsamaee hantle hoo re sa kgoneng, ka molao, ho netefatsa hore na diphetho tse rometsweng 33:09.589 --> 33:15.325 ke tsona tse hlileng di kgethetsweng, hobane, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, liphetho tsa likhetho ha lia ka tsa 33:15.325 --> 33:18.884 phatlalatsoa leha e le mona seterekeng sena sa likhetho. 33:18.884 --> 33:25.040 Seo se bolela hore re na le dikgetho tse 99,000, bonyane dikgetho tse 99,000, ha o ka hakanya ho latela seo – 33:25.040 --> 33:29.108 re shebile feela diterekeng tsa dikgetho tse 3,000, mme ho na le tse ka bang 90,000. 33:29.108 --> 33:33.790 Ha o ka atisa seo, o ka bona boholo boo re buang ka bona mona. 33:33.790 --> 33:37.640 Ha ho hlokahale hore ho be le mano, ha ho motho ea lokelang ho qhekella kapa ho etsa ntho e 'ngoe. 33:37.640 --> 33:43.388 Empa ka molao-motheo, ha re na mokhoa oa ho netefatsa hore na se fihlang ofising ea Mookameli oa Liphetisetso oa Federale bosiu 33:43.388 --> 33:47.337 ke sephetho se hlileng se neng se fumanoe sebakeng sa heno. 33:47.337 --> 33:51.220 Mme ha ho na ho phetela dikgetho kapa eng kapa eng e jwalo. Kahoo, ha e le hantle, ke papadi e kgolo ya mahoashe. 33:51.220 --> 33:55.340 Kahoo ha re tsebe hore na mokgatlo wa tshebedisano-mmoho wa Sahra Wagenknecht o na le karolo ya bohlano ya peresente kapa tjhe. 33:55.340 --> 33:59.836 Ke nahana hore ba na le karolo ea bohlano ho tse lekholo, empa seo se ke ke sa netefatsoa hobane, ha ho 33:59.836 --> 34:02.558 tluoa sebopehong sa eona, ha se khetho ea demokrasi. 34:02.558 --> 34:08.131 Mme haeba, mohlala, sephetho sena sa likhetho se e-s'o phatlalatsoe, re lebelletsoe ho tseba joang hore na se ileng sa 34:08.131 --> 34:13.326 khethoa hamorao e le sephetho se nepahetse, kapa hore na motho e mong o kentse lipampiri tsa likhetho tse seng 34:13.326 --> 34:15.996 kae kapa a tlositse tse seng kae kapa ho hong ho sele. 34:15.996 --> 34:19.108 Ha re tsebe, hobane dintho di ntan'o kenngwa ka dienfelopong. 34:19.108 --> 34:24.455 Ka tsela, ntlha e latelang ke hore mangolo a mang a likhetho ha a ka a kenngoa ka har'a li-envelope tse koetsoeng ka tieo, joalo ka 34:24.455 --> 34:28.211 ha ho hlokahala, empa a kentsoe feela ka mekotleng e koetsoeng ka marapo a rabara, e leng se 34:28.211 --> 34:31.138 bolelang hore a ka buloa le ho fetoloa nako efe kapa efe. 34:31.138 --> 34:34.305 Le ka mohla u se ke oa nahana hore baa etsa joalo. Empa hoa khoneha hore baa etsa joalo. 34:34.305 --> 34:41.322 Mme re ke ke ra, dikgethong tsa demokrasi, le ho fana ka maikutlo feela a hore se etsahetseng ha se nepa. 34:41.322 --> 34:46.543 Haholo-holo ha, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, re fapane le Sahra Wagenknecht ka di-euro tse 9,000 feela. 34:46.543 --> 34:47.478 Likhetho tse 9,000! 34:47.478 --> 34:50.000 Likhetho tse 9,000, hantle-ntle. Phapang ea likhetho tse 9,000. 34:50.000 --> 34:56.848 Mme ke sona hantle seo e leng sona. Seo se bolela hore dikgetho tsa rona ha di na puso ya batho ka batho, ha ke 34:56.848 --> 35:00.080 tsebe hore na nka se beha jwang, empa ka nnete ha di jwalo. 35:00.080 --> 35:05.760 Ha ba tsitsitse, ha ba utlwisisehe, ha ba pepeneneng. 35:05.760 --> 35:10.869 Ka tekanyo e kholo hoo e leng bohlokwa ruri, ruri ho sepheo sa mosebetsi. 35:10.869 --> 35:17.767 Mme sena jwale se tiisitswe ka lekgetlo la pele ka lebaka la tlhokomelo e hlophisitsweng ya dikgetho ke WABEO. 35:17.767 --> 35:23.463 Mme na nka etsa kgokahano e nngwe hape? Re ne re sa tswa bua ka di-referendamu. 35:23.463 --> 35:31.615 Empa haeba jwale re tseba hore diphuputso tsena tsa setjhaba di tsamaiswa jwaloka dikgetho, mme re tseba hore diphetho ha di 35:31.615 --> 35:38.387 etswe ka mokgwa o hlokang leeme, le hore mona re sebetsana le bongata bo hlokolosi haholo – ka potso ya 35:38.387 --> 35:42.159 hore na molaotheo o lokela ho fetolwa kapa tjhe – jwale 35:42.159 --> 35:44.503 Hantle-ntle, eo e ka be e bile potso ea ka. 35:44.503 --> 35:48.354 Hantle-ntle, potso eo e le 'ngoe. Kahoo, ho fetola molao oa motheo, re hloka palo e lekaneng ea litho. 35:48.354 --> 35:52.549 Ke hore, palo e itseng ya baahi ba hlileng ba nkang karolo kgethong ena. 35:52.549 --> 35:56.471 Mme jwale ho tlameha ho ba le bongata bo itseng hara palo ena ya bankakarolo. 35:56.471 --> 36:02.028 Kahoo, haeba o ka theola palo e hlokehang ea bakhethi hanyenyane ka tsela ena – e leng hore, ka khopolo-taba re na le bongata ba 36:02.028 --> 36:06.891 karolo ea bobeli ho tse tharo bakeng sa tokiso ea molao oa motheo, empa o re, e, empa ka bomalimabe ke karolo ea 36:06.891 --> 36:12.049 39.8 lekholong feela ea batho e khethileng eseng 40 lekholong – joale tokiso ena ea molao oa motheo e hlotsoe. 36:12.049 --> 36:18.220 E, mme ha re na taolo ha diphetho tsa dikgetho, palo ya bakgethi le tse ding jwalo Ka mantsoe a mang, sephetho setsing sena sa 36:18.220 --> 36:23.951 likhetho ha se phatlalatsoe phatlalatsa mme re na le bonyane motho a le mong ea lutseng setsing se seng le se seng sa likhetho 36:23.951 --> 36:29.272 kapa seterekeng se seng le se seng sa likhetho ea mamelang, a se ngola fatshe ebe o re fa sephetho e le hore re ka se 36:29.272 --> 36:35.604 hlahloba, sephetho se qetellang se khethiloeng ha e le hantle ke sona seo ba se phatlalalitseng litsing tsa likhetho. 36:35.604 --> 36:40.198 Kahoo, e le hore re fumane tsela ea rona ho ea demokerasing e tobileng. 36:40.198 --> 36:52.495 E le hore re ka nahana le ho fetola melao-motheo ea naha, re tlameha ho netefatsa hore re mafolofolo ho shebeng likhetho. 36:52.495 --> 36:56.456 Kahoo, ha ke utlwisisa hantle, ba shebileng dikgetho ba a hlokeha hohle. 36:56.456 --> 36:58.317 E, o ile wa botsa pejana hore na nka etsang. 36:58.317 --> 37:06.409 Ntle le ho theha sehlopha sena, e leng mosebetsi o boima, ruri ke khothaletsa ho etela sebaka sa marang-rang sa wabeo.de. 37:06.409 --> 37:09.655 Selemong se tlang, ke dumela, ho tla ba le dikgetho tsa naha Baden-Württemberg, 37:09.655 --> 37:11.851 Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania le Saxony-Anhalt. 37:11.851 --> 37:19.616 Likhetho tsena li tla shebiloe naheng ka bophara ka lekhetlo la pele. 37:19.616 --> 37:24.893 U ka ingolisa moo, ua netefatsa boitsebiso ba hao, mme ho bitsa £6.50. 37:24.893 --> 37:28.835 Li-euro tse 6.50 hobane ho na le ts'ebetso ena ea netefatso, e rarahaneng haholo, empa e 37:28.835 --> 37:32.323 tiisa hore ke motho oa sebele ea ka morao ho eona. 37:32.323 --> 37:35.948 Mme ka nako eo re ka hlahloba ntho tsohle ka kakaretso: 37:35.948 --> 37:40.664 Na seo se phatlalatswang qetellong ke sephetho se hlileng se tswetseng ditsing tsa kgetho, kapa 37:40.664 --> 37:43.542 diterekeng tsa dikgetho? Mme seo se a thabisa ruri. 37:43.542 --> 37:49.986 Mme hore sena e kanna ya se be nnete – molaodi wa setereke, eo hape e leng ramotse wa Speyer, eo ka mora moo a ileng a ngollwa 37:49.986 --> 37:56.123 ke mohlokomedi wa dikgetho – ke tlameha ho bolela sena mona e le ntlha e nyane... Ha e le hantle, ha se taba e nyenyane, 37:56.123 --> 38:02.824 empa ehlile e bohloko haholo – a tletleba ka moo a neng a tšoeroe kateng e le mohlokomeli oa likhetho setsing sa likhetho. 38:02.824 --> 38:10.062 Mme yaba ramotse enwa wa Speyer, ka boemo ba hae jwalo ka molaodi wa dikgetho tsa setereke, o ile a araba ka ho ngola a re, ka pono 38:10.062 --> 38:13.568 ya hae, ke ntho e mpe hore batho ba tle ho hlokomela dikgetho. 38:13.568 --> 38:19.595 Hobane seo se ne se tla bolela hore likhetho ha li tsamaisoe ka nepo, ka hona se etsa hore puso ea rona 38:19.595 --> 38:23.012 ea sechaba e se be molaong. Ak'u nahane feela ka seo. 38:23.012 --> 38:26.957 Bophatlalatsi ba likhetho ke le leng la metheo ya motheo ya likhetho le tiisitsweng molaong 38:26.957 --> 38:29.184 wa rona wa likhetho le melawana ya likhetho. 38:29.184 --> 38:36.791 Mme jwale ho tla molaodi wa kgetho wa setereke ya nang le bokgoni mme a re, ho ya ka pono ya hae, taba ya hore motho e mong o batla 38:36.791 --> 38:43.585 ho shebella kgetho, hore motho eo o batla ho hlahloba hore na se etsahalang mona – seo re dulang re se bitsa ketso ya 38:43.585 --> 38:47.543 boipuso, ketso e le nngwe feela ya boipuso – se etswa ka nepo. 38:47.543 --> 38:54.871 Seo se ne se tla shebahala eka ha ba ba tšepe, feela hobane ba ne ba eme moo. 38:54.871 --> 38:57.168 Mme ho jwalo. Ak'u nahane feela ka hoo. 38:57.168 --> 39:05.507 Ramotse o na le maikutlo a joalo ka batho ba mo behileng boemong bona qalong. 39:05.507 --> 39:10.613 Ho thahasellisa haholo. Ho lokile haholo. Monghadi Ludwig, re a leboha haholo ka ho bua le rona! 39:10.613 --> 39:17.590 Kannete e bile selebeli sa mahlo. Ka hodima tsohle, joale motho ka mong a ka bona hore na a ka nka mehato efe kannete. 39:17.590 --> 39:21.766 Sa pele, o ka nka karolo ho shebeng likhetho. 39:21.766 --> 39:24.910 Ke dumela hore o ka ikopanya le WABEO. 39:24.910 --> 39:31.457 Ebe o ka iponela feela hore na o ka theha sele kapa wa kenela e seng e le teng. 39:31.457 --> 39:35.074 Joale o ka mpa oa e etsa. Tokoloho e qala ka ho hana. 39:35.074 --> 39:46.863 Ke nahana hore jwale o se o re file mehato ya pele ya hore na re ka phethahatsa sena jwang, e le hore baahi ba ka boela ba laola. 39:46.863 --> 39:50.012 Ke leboha haholo ka puisano ena e butswang mahlo! 39:50.012 --> 39:51.637 Ke leboha haholo ka ho ntumella ho ba mona.