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Ukuba sijonga loo nto, ngubani ofanele ukujongana nayo?

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Ndiseke iziko lam nabanye oogxa, nto leyo ethetha ukuba:

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Iziko loPhando, uVavanyo oluTsha, ukuTyhola
ngokomthetho nokuThintela ulwaphulo-mthetho oluchasene nobuntu.

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Abantu abaninzi bahlala bebuzwa,
kutheni ulwaphulo-mthetho oluchasene nobuntu?

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Kuba oko sikufumene apha
yayingolwaphulo-mthetho oluchasene nobuntu.

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Abantu baye bahlukunyezwa. Oogqirha basahlukunyezwa nanamhlanje.

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Oogqirha bayalelwa entolongweni ngenxa yokwenza umsebenzi wabo.

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Umntu endisebenza naye uRainier Fuellmich
usentolongweni eGöttingen. Ukwayimfundisi omkhulu.

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Inyanno inokwenzeka kuphela xa sitshintsha imeko yezopolitiko.

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Kuba iimeko zezopolitiko esikuzifumana kuso, apho sishiya
nje amandla, azisokuze zikhokelele kuxilongo olufanelekileyo.

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Kuba, njengoko benditshilo, ngoko oonobangela
bengazakuzifumanisa kumxholo wento abayenzileyo.

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Akukho mntu unokucinga ukuba abo benza la lwaphulo-mthetho
oluchasene noluntu baza kuvuka bathi: Ewe, siyenzile.

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Kwaye ngoku sifuna ukumangalelwa enkundleni, phambi kwamajaji
esiwakhethileyo, phambi kwabatshutshisi

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esiwakhethileyo, ukuze bagwebe ukuba into
esiyenzileyo ibichanekile na okanye ibingalunganga.

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Abagwebi, abathi bonke kwiinyanga ezintathu ezidlulileyo, phambi
kokuba kuphoswe amaxwebhu e-RKI, mandithe benze yonke

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into ngokufanelekileyo ngelo xesha, ngoku ngesiquphe kufuneka
baphinde bajonge yonke into... Nako oko akuyi kusebenza.

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Iza kusebenza kuphela ukuba... – kwaye uRalf Boes
usandula ukuyibhengeza, kwaye ndiyavumelana noRalf Boes kunye

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nabanye abaninzi. Nceda jonga iwebhusayithi akhankanyileyo.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba kufuneka sihambe ngamazwe angamalungu.

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Sine-mgaqo-siseko yethu kwilizwe ngalinye elimanyeneyo.

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Kwaye ngenxa yokuba zizimiso ezahlukeneyo, isimiso ngasinye
kuloo mhlaba womanyano sisivumela ukuba sizilungise ezi zimiso.

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Amandla asezandleni zethu. Awazi nje...

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Namhlanje, ndamkela ngobushushu igqwetha
uRalf Ludwig kwisitudiyo sethu seKla.TV.

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Molo.

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Kwisiboniso eBerlin, uthe sinamandla
ezandleni zethu, kodwa asazi nokuba sinabo.

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Ewe, nam andazi. Andazi nokuba loluphi
uhlobo lwamandla endinawo ezandleni zam.

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Kwaye andazi nokuba mandiphembelele njani
izigqibo zezopolitiko, nokuba oko kusebenza njani.

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Ungasinceda, ungandinceda, ungabanceda ababukeli kancinci?

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Ewe, ngokomgaqo akukho nzima kangako.

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Sineephondo zomanyano ezili-16 eJamani, kwaye
zonke iiphondo zomanyano zinegaqo-siseko lazo.

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Kwaye yonke imimiselo-siseko yelizwe – ngaphandle kweHesse,
kodwa ngokwenene kuquka neHesse – yonke imimiselo-siseko

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yelizwe inika ithuba lomthetho owenziwa ngabantu.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba abantu abahlala kwiphondo
elifanelekileyo banganakho ukwenza imithetho yabo.

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Kwaye abanakwenza imithetho kuphela, kodwa
banokulungisa nasemgaqweni-siseko, umgaqo-siseko welo phondo.

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Ukuze bakwazi ukutshintsha imithetho yokuphila
kunye, imithetho yolwakhiwo, ulwakhiwo

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lwezopolitiko, kwilizwe labo lomanyano ukuba bayafuna.

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Oku kufuna iininzi ezithile. Oku kuthetha ukuba
kuhlala kukho amanyathelo amathathu abandakanyekayo.

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Inyathelo lokuqala linyathelo labemi.
Oku kuthetha ukuba nguwe ofaka umbono.

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Kufuneka uqokelele inani elithile leevoti.

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Okwesibini yile nto eyaziwa ngokuba yi-referendum.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba kufuneka ungqine ukuba inani
elithile labantu kweli lizwe banomdla kwesi sihloko.

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Le isoloko iseyona nyathelo inzima, kwaye xa sele uyoyisile, iba
njengonyulo, njengoko silwazi, Emva koko ngeCawa, abantu

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babizelwa kwiindawo zokuvota baze bakwazi ukuvota ngalo mba
wezopolitiko okanye umthetho osaziswayo okanye into efanayo, baze

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bathi, "Thina, njengabantu beli lizwe lilawulayo, sifuna kube
ngolu hlobo okanye ngolo hlobo, okanye sifuna

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lo mthetho ukubakho, okanye sifuna lo mthetho
wolawulo okanye lowo mthetho wolawulo ukubakho."

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Ngokomgaqo, oku kubandakanyiwe kulo lonke umgaqo-siseko welizwe.

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Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba ukuba besinqwenela, singangenelela
kwizigqibo zezopolitiko ngokwethu, kunokuba sicofe nje ibhokisi

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kanye qho emva kweminyaka emine okanye
emihlanu size sithembe ukuba abantu abachanekileyo

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bayakhethwa baze benze izigqibo ezichanekileyo.

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Ewe. Kwaye imimiselo-siseko yelizwe – ngoku
ndididekile kancinci... Sikwanalo noMthetho oSisiseko.

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Yintoni leyo? Ngandlel' ithile, ayisebenzi
kwinqanaba likarhulumente womdibaniso, isebenza

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kuphela kwinqanaba lamaphondo. Kutheni kunjalo?

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Ewe, kaloku, sinayo iMthetho Isiseko, kwaye iMthetho Isiseko
eneneni ibizwa ngokuba yiMthetho Isiseko – hayi uMgaqo-siseko

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waseJamani okanye uMgaqo-siseko wamaJamani, kodwa endaweni
yoko "yiMthetho Isiseko weRiphabliki yeFederali yaseJamani".

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Oku kunezizathu zembali, ewe. Emva
kweMfazwe yesiBini yeHlabathi, iJamani yahlulwa.

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IGermany yayithinjwe, ithinjwe ngamandla
ahlukeneyo, eneneni ngamandla amane aphumeleleyo,

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kwaye iJamani yayiphantse yahlulwa ngokwemida.

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Oku kwakuthetha ukuba ubumbano
lomhlaba lobuNkosi baseJamani alusekho.

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Kwaye ke kwaqala iMfazwe Yomlomo, phakathi kweNtshona
neMpuma, ingakumbi iRashiya – yaye ngelo xesha iSoviet Union.

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Kwaye amagunya aseNtshona ayenoluvo olwahlukileyo
malunga nendlela yokujongana neJamani, indlela

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yokuyiphatha, nokuba ikamva layo liya kuba lithini.

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Ewe, oko kwakhokelela ekusekweni kweRiphabliki yeFederal
yaseJamani ngo-1949, kwaye iRiphabliki yeFederal yaseJamani,

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ewe, yinxalenye nje kuphela yeReich yaseJamani iphela.

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Kwaye ngelo xesha, kwakusacingelwa ukuba isisombululo siza
kufunyanwa ekugqibeleni, isisombululo seJamani iphela, kwaye yiyo

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loo nto umgaqo-siseko waseJamani wangazalwa, kuba umgaqo-siseko
wawunokwenzela kuphela ummandla opheleleyo weReich, ummandla

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owawukhe waba ngowaseReich, ummandla opheleleyo waseJamani,
kwaye ke ngoko wabizwa ngokuba yiMthetho oSingqongqo.

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Ngokwenene, lo ngumthetho osisiseko wamandla amathathu
obomeleleyo ama-Allied, owathi emva koko waxoxwa

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ngawonke nabapholitiki eHerren-Chiemsee, ngandlel' ithile.

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Kwaye lo Mthetho Usisiseko ke waphinda wasinda emva kwenkululeko.

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Nangona kunjalo, nangona kwakucwangciselwe kwiMthetho
oSingqongileyo, akuzange kwenziwe

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umgaqo-siseko weJamani iphela, kodwa endaweni yoko
uMthetho oSingqongileyo waqhubeka njengomgaqo-siseko.

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Kwaye ndisoloko ndisithi umgaqo-siseko unokuba
ngumgaqo-siseko kuphela ukuba unombusi ozimeleyo.

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Kwaye olawulayo akayena, njengoko uCarl Schmitt esitsho nje, lowo
umisela imeko kaxakeka, kodwa ngulowo unokutshintsha imithetho.

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Kwaye umgaqo-siseko wethu awunikezeli
ukuba abantu bakwazi ukutshintsha imithetho.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba uMthetho Osisiseko akanakuba
ngumgaqo-siseko ngale ndlela, kuba uMthetho

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Osisiseko awuyamkeli nayiphi na igunya elizimeleyo.

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Okanye isenzo esinye kuphela sobukhosi esisazi njengabemi sesona
nyani unyulo – ukunyula iBundestag kanye kwiminyaka emine.

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Kwaye yiyo kuphela inkxaxheba yabantu
kwiRiphabliki yeFederali yaseJamani.

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Kungenjalo, akukho nto icwangcisiweyo. Akukho mthetho wabantu.

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Nangona iSihloko 20 sisabeka ukuba umbuso uzimela umgaqo-nkqubo
ngokonyulo kunye neereferendamu, azikho iireferendamu eJamani.

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Akukho mthetho wokuvota, ngoko ke akukho vothi.

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Ke kaloku kukho iSihloko 146, esimisela ukuba abantu baseJamani
banokwamkela umgaqo-siseko omtsha okanye umgaqo-siseko.

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Amagqwetha amaninzi omgaqo-siseko athi esi sigaba okanye
eli nqaku asisebenzi, ukuba lo mthetho-siseko awusebenzi.

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Oku kungaxoxwa ngako ixesha elide, kodwa kumgaqo-siseko welizwe
ngalinye laseJamani, kukho ithuba lokuba abantu bangangenelele

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ngokukhutheleyo kwinkqubo yokwenza imithetho
ngamanyathelo amathathu endisandokukhankanya, ukuze bazenzele

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imithetho, baze ngaloo ndlela bazitshintshe imigaqo.

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Kwaye ayizizo kuphela iimigaqo yokusebenzisa ezinokuguqula
imithetho, kodwa zinokude – njengoko benditshilo, ngokuphawula

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okuncinci malunga noHesse – ziguqule
umgaqo-siseko kwilizwe ngalinye lomanyano, oko

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kukuthi, ziguqule imigaqo yokuphila kwazo kunye.

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Kukho iinqobo ezimbini ezibalulekileyo ekufuneka zigcinwe.

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Lo ngumgaqo-siseko wobuzwe-sithili, oko kukuthi isigqibo
ngasinye sezopolitiko kufuneka sisekelwe kwintando yabantu.

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Okwesibini sisibonelelo sengqondo yomntu. Ngoko ke, akufuneki
sizitshintshe imithetho ngendlela eza kuphelisa esi sibonelelo.

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Kodwa lawo kuphela imithetho, kwaye phantsi kwala
mithetho, abantu kwiphondo ngalinye banganokuzigqibelela.

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Ngoko ke, umzekelo, singagqiba kwelokuba asisafuni kukhetha
urhulumente welizwe okanye ipalamente yelizwe rhoqo

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kwiminyaka emihlanu (chaza: emine), kodwa
endaweni yoko sifuna ukubakhetha rhoqo kwiminyaka emibini.

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Okanye singagqiba kwelokuba asisayifuni
urhulumente welizwe, kodwa ipalamente yelizwe mayimise

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abalawuli abaza kwenza imisebenzi ethile njalo njalo.

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Singakwazi nokuyichitha iPhalamende
ngokwethiyori ukuba besinayo enye indlela, leyo endaweni

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yokumela ukuthanda kwesininzi, ikubonakalise.

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Ngoko ke sinokutshintsha lukhulu, kodwa
kuphela kwinqanaba lelizwe, hayi kwinqanaba lesizwe.

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Ewe, kunomdla kakhulu. Kwaye le nkqubo injalo ingaqaliswa njani?

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Masithi besifuna ukutshintsha into kulo lonke eli qela
lezopolitiko, okanye besifuna ukutshintsha indlela yokumiselwa

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kwamajaji, umzekelo, okanye nee-arhente
zikarhulumente ezibanga amatyala, ukuze zingaphindi

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zimiselwe liSebe lezoBulungisa, kodwa zimiswe ngabantu.

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Ungakwenza njani oko? Ungathatha njani inyathelo?

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Ngokwenene, njengoko benditshilo, yonke
imithetho, kuquka nemimiselo yelizwe, ingatshintshwa.

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Kwaye ngokomgaqo, nabani na angenza iphulo
ngokulula; umntu omnye okanye ababini bangenza iphulo...

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…Ngoko, sobabini?

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Singakwazi sobabini – kaloku, mhlawumbi hayi ngoku,
kuba asihlali kwiphondo elinye, kodwa ngokomgaqo, ewe.

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Ukuba besihlala kwilizwe elinye lomanyano,
besinokuthi nje sifuna utshintsho emthethweni.

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Emva koko silungiselela umthetho osayilwayo,
njengoko siwubona – ngamanye amazwi, into esiyenzayo.

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Mhm.

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Kukwakho nemihluko. Ungakwazi nokungenisa imibuzo yoluntu, nto
leyo ethetha ukuba iPalamente kufuneka

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ijongane nemibuzo ethile kwaye ibambe iseshoni,
iseshoni yepalamente, ukujongana naloo mba.

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Kodwa ngoku, phantsi komthetho wabemi, sobabini
sibhala umthetho oyilwayo, masithi, size siwungenise,

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ngokuqhelekileyo kwikomiti elawulayo yepalamente yelizwe.

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Kwaye ke kuya kubhengezwa ngendlela eqhelekileyo ukuba
umzamo wabemi ngoku uqaliswa apha, ngolu tshintsho lomthetho.

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Emva koko singaqalisa size siqokelele
iivoti zesi sihlomelo somthetho esinako.

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Kwaye sakuba sifikelele kwinani elithile labavoti – kwinqanaba
lokuqala, eli nani liphantsi, kwamanye amazwe liziivoti

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eziyi-6,000 okanye eziyi-5,000 kuphela – sakuba nazo ezi
voti, sivunyelwe ukuba siqalise le nto kuthiwa yi-referendum.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba ipalamente yephondo iya
kuyiqwalasela ke isicelo sabemi kwaye isenokuyamkela okanye

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ingayamkeli. Kule meko, akuyi kubakho referendamu.

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Emva koko iya kwireferendamu, kwaye kwireferendamu kufuneka
uqokelele inani elithile lezayino kwisithuba esithile sexesha,

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ngokuqhelekileyo phakathi kweenyanga ezintandathu nezisibhozo.

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Kwaye xa esi sithuba sithile singadlulwanga,
ipalamente yelizwe izakuphinda iqwalasele lo mcimbi

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ize igqibe enoba izakuwuvuma na lo mzamo womthetho.

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Kwaye ukuba akayivumeli, kuya
kubakho ireferendamu, efana nonyulo.

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Emva koko abemi bayabizwa ukuba bavote ngeCawa.

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Kuthiwa ke: Kulungile. Abemi bayabuzwa ukuba
bayayifuna na le mthetho, ewe okanye hayi.

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Njengoko watshoyo kwintshukumo yomboniso eBerlin,
isigqibo sokugqibela kufuneka kwakhona senziwe ngabantu.

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Ngoko ke oku kunokuthi kuqaliswe
esebenzayo ngezi migaqo-siseko zizwe.

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Ewe, kanye. Ngethuba lobhubhane we-coronavirus,
sibone indlela ezopolitiko ezingene ngayo kubomi babantu.

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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kufuneka kubenakho ukuba
abantu bazikhusele kwezi nkqubo zingenelelayo.

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Kwaye le nto ndisandul' ukuyichaza, la manyathelo, la
manyathelo mathathu, zithatha ixesha elingapheliyo.

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Kwaye de kube lelo xesha, ewe kona, besingenakuthintela nto.

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Kwaye seso isizathu isiphakamiso sam sithi
kuqala kufuneka sibhale ilungelo ekuthiwa lelokuvota

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phikwa kuwo onke amatyathanga-siseko amaphondo.

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Ngoko ke, sithi ngokusisiseko yonke imithetho
nemimiselo eyapasiswa ngurhulumente welizwe iya kuqala

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ukusebenza emva kweenyanga ezintathu, xa kungekho lixesha lide.

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Kule nyanga zintathu, abantu abanani elithile
elifunekayo banethuba lokuqokelela iisayini.

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Kwaye ukuba banenani elithile lezayino, ndicinga ukuba
yimibini enesiqingatha pesenti yabemi, kodwa oko

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kunokutshintshwa, kuya kubakho ireferendamu ngalo mthetho.

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Kuba ke i-2.5 pesenti ithe ngoko, asilufuni olu mthetho.

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Oko akubalulekanga kancinci. Ndithetha ukuthi,
i-five per cent liqela elincinci kwiphalamende yelizwe.

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Ngoko ke apha, amashumi amabini
anesihlanu ekhulwini bathi asiyifuni le nto.

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Ukuba bonke abemi, oko kukuthi, abemi belo phondo lomanyano,
baze bavote ukuba bayayifuna na le mthetho okanye lo mmiselo.

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Kodwa ukuba umenzi-mthetho wazisa ummiselo okanye umthetho – kuba
esithi ngxamiseke kakhulu, kufuneka sikwenze ngokukhawuleza

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ngoku – ukuba akawuniki umda weenyanga ezintathu, ke
kuyanyanzeleka ukuba kuvotwe ngalo mthetho, ngalo mmiselo.

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Ukuze singagqibi sikwimeko apho abenzi
bomthetho bakhupha imithetho ngokungxama.

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Ndihlala ndisithi ukuba abantu bebebekwazi
ukuvota ngesinyanzeliso semaski, besingazukwaziswa.

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Ewe, imfuneko yokunxiba iimaski yaziswa phantse ngobusuku obunye
ngenkqubo eyimfihlo, kwaye yile nto eyabangela uloyiko ekuqaleni,

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olwathi lwaba yimfuneko yokuba abantu bagonywe, umzekelo.

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Kwaye kufuneka sithi ukuba bafuna ukupasisa imithetho
ngokufihlakeleyo, masithi, eza kuqala ukusebenza ngexesha

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elifutshane, ngoko ke oosopolitiki kufuneka kwangoko
kwaye ngalo lonke ixesha bayibeke le mithetho kuvoto

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lwabantu ukuze abantu bakwazi ukuthi "hayi" ukuba kuyimfuneko.

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Leli lilungelo lokuvota, igunya lokugqibela
lokwenza izigqibo, njengoko ndisoloko nditsho. Ewe.

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Ukuba abantu banokuthi "hayi" nokuba
izinto azinakwenziwa ngale ndlela.

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Singakwenza oko. Singakwenza oko kwiphondo ngalinye.

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Kwaye oko kungakwenza kucace kubopolitiki ukuba yonke imithetho
abayenzayo – ngoku, umzekelo, kwinqanaba likarhulumente

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womdibaniso, yayikukanye ezi zityala bazibangeleyo.

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Kodwa, umzekelo, bekunokwenzeka nokuthi... Nangona kukho imithetho
yomdibaniso, iBhunga loMdibaniso kufuneka linike imvume yalo.

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Kwaye ukuba thina, njengabemi bamazwe emanyano,
singaxelela urhulumente ukuba akavumelekanga ukuba avumelane

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noko, ngoko ke ezi tyala, umzekelo, ngezingazange zibe khona.

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Kwaye thina, njengabemi, kufuneka sibe namandla la, ukuze
singavoti nje kanye size singabi nalawulo kwinto eyenziwa

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ngabezopolitiko kwimeko nganye, kwiindibano ezenziwayo, kwindlela
abenza ngayo izigqibo abezopolitiko, kodwa ukuze

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thina, njengabemi, sikwazi ukuthi nangaliphi na
ixesha kulo lonke umba wezopolitiko, "Asikufuni oko."

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Ingaba sele zikho iimpawu zokuba amaqela
asebenza kweli cala, ukuba athathe inyathelo?

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Ewe, ingcinga esemva kwako konke kukwenza kube
ngaphandle kolawulo oluphakathi ngokupheleleyo.

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Ngoko ke asifuni uhlobo oluthile
lombutho ophakathi olwenza loo nto.

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Endaweni yoko, sathi ngokwenene
zimbini izinto ezibaluleke kakhulu kuthi.

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Amaqela nemibutho ezenza oku kufuneka nawo
azisebenzisane ngendlela yedemokhrasi ngendlela ethile.

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Sithi, soloko usenza izigqibo ezisekelwe kwamkelo.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba ukuba sifuna ukuba
nentando yesininzi yokwenene, kufuneka siqale

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ngokuyiqhelisela ngokwethu kwinqanaba elincinci.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba asinakufuna
ukuba uluntu lwethu lube yidemokhrasi.

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Kwaye nathi ngokwethu, kwinqanaba elincinci, kummandla
esisebenza kuwo, asiziphathi ngendlela yedemokhrasi

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omnye komnye, asiziphathi ngendlela esekelwe kwamkelo.

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Ngoko ke eso sisigqibo esibalulekileyo phantsi kwezi meko.

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Kwaye ingongoma yesibini kukuba sicinge ngendlela esinokukhuthaza
ngayo abantu abaninzi kangangoko sinakho,

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ukuqinisekisa ukuba kuqokelelwa iisayini ezaneleyo
zereferendamu enjalo, okanye ekuqaleni kwipetishini.

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Kwaye oku kufanele kube yinto engalawulwa kwindawo enye, kwenziwe
yiseli ezincinci ezikwimeko engcono yokugqiba

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kwindawo yazo kunaye nabani na okwindawo enye
malunga nemiba ekhoyo, into enomdla, njalo njalo.

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Kwaye zininzi kakhulu iinkqubo ezisakhulayo ngoku.

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Siye sayicebisa nje sathi, "Hee, yenzani into."

15:50.772 --> 15:53.537
Kwaye ngoku simenywe eBaden-Württemberg.

15:53.537 --> 16:00.670
Kukho isangqa esikhulu samaphulo
afuna ukwenza oku, afuna ukusisebenzisa.

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Ndisandul' ukufika ndivela eSaxony-Anhalt, kamsinya
phambi kwale dliwano-ndlebe. BendiseGüsten eSaxony-Anhalt.

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Inani elikhulu lamalungu nemibutho
yasekuhlaleni evela kumbutho wabemi iDieBasis, onomdla

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kweli hlobo lothotho lwabemi, badibana apho.

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Kwaye yiloo nto kanye esiyenzileyo. Ngokwenene, sixoxe nje
ngesizathu sokuba nabani na afune ukukhetha inketho esisiseko.

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Kwaye okumangalisayo, yile nto kanye eyayisisiphumo:

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Kuba ngabantu abangathi ekugqibeleni abangumzekelo wolu hlobo
lwentando yesininzi esuka ezantsi – apho izigqibo zenziwa zisuka

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ezantsi ziye phezulu, hayi ukusuka phezulu ziye ezantsi, apho
amagunya esasaziwe, apho zonke izigqibo ezibalulekileyo

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zenziwa kwinqanaba lasekuhlaleni, kwaye apho wonke
umntu ethatha inxaxheba kuzo zonke izigqibo zezopolitiko.

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Enyanisweni, yiyo kanye le nto eyenza
isiseko sahluke. Kwaye sifuna ukuyidlulisela

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ngamandla ngakumbi kwihlabathi langaphandle.

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Ngoko ke kanye le ngcamango, ethi:
izigqibo zenziwa ezantsi, hayi phezulu.

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Asidingi iofisi engundoqo ethatha izigqibo zethu;
endaweni yoko, zonke izigqibo ezibalulekileyo

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ezichaphazela ubomi bethu zithathwa apha ekuhlaleni.

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Kwaye ke, ngokomgaqo, ukuba unendawo enkulu yomhlaba njalo
njalo, izigqibo zasekuhlaleni nazo zinokwenziwa ngokubambisana,

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ukuze izigqibo zenziwe kunye ngenjongo yomntu wonke.

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Ewe, kunomdla kakhulu, kuba uhlala usiva abantu
besithi abo basencochoyini benza nantoni na

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abayifunayo kuthi kwaye akukho nto sinokuyenza ngayo.

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Kufuneka bayinyamezele yonke loo nto, kanye njengemvula nekhephu.

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Ibhreki yamatyala iyakhululwa kwaye
ilizwe lethu liyawa ngokukhululekileyo.

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Kodwa kuyathakazelisa ngokwenene ukuba ke indlela iyafunyanwa.

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Ndingenza ntoni ngoku, umzekelo,
ndingazibandakanya phi ukuba ndinomdla, njengoko utshilo,

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wokuthatha ngokwam amandla am? Ndingenza ntoni?

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Kulungile, okokuqala, kwanele ukuba
nje uqalise iqela kwindawo ohlala kuyo.

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Okanye akunyanzelekanga nokuba ibe
liqela; siyibiza ngokuba siseli.

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Ngoko ke, dibana nabahlobo bakowenu –
kungakuhle ukuba kube kule ndawo – hlangana nabantu.

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Kwaye funda, umzekelo, incwadi kaRainer
Mausfeld ethi "Kutheni Amanyiba Ethule?"

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Kuba uRainer Mausfeld uhlalutye kakuhle kakhulu kule ncwadi
indlela isakhiwo sethu sezopolitiko esisebenza ngayo ngokwenene,

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isizathu sokuba singenazwi, isizathu sokuba sibe
nentando yesininzi yobumeli engenanto yakwenza nentando

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yesininzi kwaye engasivumeli ukuba sizenzele ezethu izigqibo.

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Yintoni injongo? Uthini uMnu. Mausfeld?

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Ke, uMnu. Mausfeld ngokusisiseko uthi oku,
ekusekweni kwe-United States of America, ngokungathi

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yomgaqo-siseko wokuqala, umgaqo-siseko wokuqala wedemokhrasi.

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Ewe, kukho impikiswano ngaloo nto;
umgaqo-siseko wasePoland wakhawuleza.

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Kodwa umgaqo-siseko wokuqala omkhulu
wedemokhrasi yayingumgaqo-siseko waseMelika.

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Kwaye ooBawo abaseki beMelika baye
baxoxisana ngale nto ngelo xesha:

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Ingaba sifuna ukwazisa idemokhrasi ethe ngqo, apho
sibandakanya abantu ekwenzeni izigqibo, okanye sifuna

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idemokhrasi yobumeli – ethi eneneni ibe ngumchasi-magama.

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Idemokhrasi yommeli – into inokuba yeyommeli
okanye yidemokhrasi – ngoko ke idemokhrasi

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yommeli, xa uyicinga nzulu, iyinto ephikisanayo.

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Kwaye ngelo xesha, kwavela ukuqonda ukuba ukuba besinamandla
okwenene okwenza izigqibo ngedemokhrasi ukusuka ezantsi, ubutyebi

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babazizityebi bebuya kuba sengozini, kuba
amahlwempu ebengagqiba ngedemokhrasi ukuba imali

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okanye i-asethi kufuneka zabiwe ngenye indlela.

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Ngoko ke yayiyingqwalasela yezoqoqosho kuphela, ewe.

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Emva koko sacinga ngendlela
esisenokuyibiza ngayo ngokuba yidemokhrasi, kodwa

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siyiyile ngendlela yokuba ingabi yidemokhrasi.

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Kwaye yiyo leyo idemokhrasi yobumeli esinayo ngoku.

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Ngoko ke, njengoko benditshilo, le nto usandul' ukuyithetha,
yindlela abantu abayiva ngayo, kwaye yiyo kanye indlela ezinjalo.

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Abo basencochoyini benza into ethile
kwaye thina asikwazi ukugqiba nto.

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Le mvakalelo ayikhoqisi, kodwa kunjalo nje:
sizibeka umthwalo wethu, kuphelele apho...

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Yiloo nto ke, asazi nto kwaphela!

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Ngoko ke nabani na owayevotela i-CDU ngoku kusenokwenzeka ukuba
ebengalindelanga ukugqibela enezopolitiko

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eziluhlaza ngakumbi kunangaphambili kunye
neGreens, abavotele ukuba baphume e-ofisini.

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Mhlawumbi ibingeyiyo leyo into abantu ababeyifuna.

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Andazi, kodwa ndicinga ukuba bebengafuni,
kungenjalo bebezakuvotela iGreens hayi iCDU.

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Kodwa akukho nto banokuyenza. Ngoku baza
kuhlala apho iminyaka emine, baze abantu bacinge,

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kulungile, kwixesha elizayo siza kubabonisa.

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Kodwa asivoteli i-CDU ngeli xesha, sivotela i-SPD.

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Yiloo nto esisoloko siyifumana. Emva
koko akukho nto itshintshayo kwakhona.

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Baze bamangaliswe ngokupheleleyo ukuba xa
abanye befika, akusayi kutshintsha nto kwakhona.

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Kuba asinakuyiphembelela izigqibo zezopolitiko zomntu ngamnye.

20:29.106 --> 20:34.122
Kwaye singakwenza oko ngokomgaqo phantsi
kwemimiselo-siseko yelizwe, kodwa asikwenzi.

20:34.122 --> 20:37.892
URainer Mausfeld utsho kanye lonto.
Bafana nabakhohlisi abemi phambi kwayo.

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Ezi zango ziyakho, kwaye abakhohlisi, oosiyazi
bomlingo, bema phambi kwazo baze bazifihle

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ngokuphumelelayo kuthi, ezingezona esinokuthi singene kuzo.

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Kwaye idemokhrasi yobumeli inokuchazwa njengolawulo lweqela
elincinci labakhethekileyo, ulawulo lweqela

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elincinci labakhethiweyo, urhulumente wabantu
abakhethekileyo, okanye nantoni na oyithandayo.

20:52.592 --> 21:00.473
Kuba sivumelekile ukuba sikhethe kwisixa esithile sabantu
abakhethekileyo abo baza kusilawula kule minyaka mine izayo.

21:00.473 --> 21:03.083
Kodwa asinalo nyhani ithuba lokutshintsha nantoni na.

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Singakwenza oko kuphela xa
sinokungenelela kwizigqibo zezopolitiko zomntu ngamnye.

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Kwaye imiqobo iphezulu kakhulu. Yiloo nto singakwaziyo okwangoku.

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Kwaye ingcinga yenkululeko iqala ngenombolo engu-1.

21:12.408 --> 21:18.432
Ngoko ke, ngokuphathelele le projekthi endiyiqalileyo eBerlin,
kufuneka kuthiwe ngenene ukuba simele sibeke igunya

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lokwenza izigqibo, igunya lokugqibela lokwenza izigqibo
kwimiba ezizimeleyo zezopolitiko, ezandleni zabantu.

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Kufuneka sigqibe: ingaba sifuna ukuphakamisa ibhuleki yamatyala?

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Kufuneka sigqibe ukuba inkqubo yethu yemfundo ilungiswe njani.

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Kufuneka sigqibe ukuba inkqubo
yethu yezobulungisa ilungiswe njani.

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Kufuneka sigqibe ukuba siyafuna njani amandla ethu njalo njalo.

21:39.106 --> 21:40.770
Singazenza zonke ezi zigqibo ngokwethu.

21:40.770 --> 21:46.789
Kwaye ndigxininisa ukuba akukho mntu ngamnye
onokwenza isigqibo esibi kunesikawo nawuphi na

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ingcali okanye nabani na obizwa njengengcali.

21:49.856 --> 21:52.278
Bamkelekile ukuba banike iingcebiso nezimvo zabo ngalo mcimbi.

21:52.278 --> 21:55.714
Kodwa ke, mna ndikholelwa ukuba ndiyakwazi
ngokupheleleyo ukwenza izigqibo zam, kwaye

21:55.714 --> 21:57.760
ndithemba wonke umntu waseJamani ukuba enjenjalo.

21:57.760 --> 22:03.455
Ke, xa sijonga imigaqo-nkqubo yeminyaka
yakutshanje, kufanele kucace kumntu wonke

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ukuba babenokwenza umsebenzi ongcono ngokwabo.

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Ngoko ke ndingakwazi ukuqalisa ukuseka iselula
kwingingqi yam ndize ndithathe inyathelo apho.

22:18.473 --> 22:23.567
Kodwa ndingafumana phi inkuthazo,
umzekelo, okanye ndifumane izimvo?

22:23.567 --> 22:28.434
Ingaba ikhona iwebhusayithi apho umntu
anokufunda ngakumbi ngale nto? Ungasinika icebiso?

22:28.434 --> 22:37.622
Ngoko ke iwebhusayithi ayikafumaneki kwi-intanethi
okwangoku, kodwa "freiheit-beginnt-mit-nein.de" iyakho.

22:37.622 --> 22:40.137
Njengoko kutshiwo apha: Inkululeko iqala ekubeni ungabizi.

22:40.137 --> 22:46.153
Eli phepha lisenokuba sele likwi-intanethi
ngexesha lokupapashwa kwesi sithuba sedinga.

22:46.153 --> 22:51.040
Okwangoku sikwiiyantlukwano
zokugqibezela. Iinkcukacha ziya kufumaneka ngoko.

22:51.040 --> 22:55.262
Kodwa ingcinga ikhona, kwaye kuza
kubakho nethuba lokwazana nabanye.

22:55.262 --> 23:00.616
Kodwa ukhetho lonxibelelwano luza kulungiselelwa
ngendlela yokuba kufuneke unxibelelane ngendlela ye-analogue.

23:00.616 --> 23:05.601
Kwaye loo nto inokuphinda iveliswe ngedijithali.
Ngoko ke asifuni abantu benxibelelane ngedijithali.

23:05.601 --> 23:10.021
Ukuze abantu, njengoko sisenza ngoku, babhalelane
kumakhasi onxibelelwano njalo njalo, bavakalise umsindo

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wabo, babe neengcinga ezininzi, babhale izinto ezininzi.

23:12.780 --> 23:16.679
Endaweni yoko, abantu kufuneka
badibane nabantu basekuhlaleni ubuso ngobuso.

23:16.679 --> 23:21.947
Kwaye ukuba badityaniswe ngendlela efanayo,
banako nokubonisa kwi-portal ukuba siqela okanye

23:21.947 --> 23:24.106
iselula, sikhona apha, kwaye sifuna ukwenza into.

23:24.106 --> 23:29.866
Baya kuthi ke nabo bafune uncedo
kwabanye, banike uncedo kwabanye, njalo njalo.

23:29.866 --> 23:32.007
Kodwa thina siphambili sijongene nonxibelelwano lwe-analogue.

23:32.007 --> 23:43.188
Sifuna abantu badibane nabanye apha ekuhlaleni, baqalise ukuxoxa,
kwaye bagcine le ngcinga engqondweni: singalitshintsha eli luntu

23:43.188 --> 23:48.376
ngokuqokelela ekugqibeleni iisayini ezaneleyo zale referendamu.

23:48.376 --> 23:56.336
Kuba esi sigaba sesibini sinzima kakhulu; ukufumana iisayini
ezingama-200,000 kunzima kakhulu. E-Saxony, ziyi-450,000.

23:56.336 --> 23:59.368
Kodwa singakwazi ukukwenza ukuba
abantu banxibelelana kwangaphambili.

23:59.368 --> 24:01.516
Kwaye kufuneka babenxaxheba kwiingxoxo zezopolitiko omnye nomnye.

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Kodwa kufuneka bafunde nokuba kwenziwa njani indawo
yengxoxo-mpikiswano – le yinto ekwakhankanywa nguRainer Mausfeld

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– apho banokuxoxa ngemiba ngokukhululekileyo,
ngokungenamkhethe nangokwentando yesininzi, kwaye

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apho kwanoluvo olugqithisileyo luyanyamezelwa.

24:14.626 --> 24:18.905
Akufuneki kubekho i-firewalls. Izimvo
ezigqithisileyo zibalulekile ekubunjweni kwezimvo

24:18.905 --> 24:22.001
kwidemokhrasi. Izimvo ezigqithisileyo azikhe ziphumelele.

24:22.001 --> 24:26.234
Kodwa ziyimfuneko ukuze kufunyanwe uluvo oluhle
loluntu, umboniso obanzi wezimvo zoluntu,

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kungakhathaliseki ukuba uluntu lukhulu kangakanani.

24:29.243 --> 24:35.169
Kwaye yile nto abantu abayifundayo. Le
yingcinga yethu, ukuba baqale ukuxoxa ngezinto omnye

24:35.169 --> 24:38.060
nomnye ngale ndlela, ukuze baqonde ngale ndlela:

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Singenza njani ngokwenene izigqibo ezinokuxhaswa ngumntu wonke?

24:41.579 --> 24:45.149
Kwaye ukuba singayenza kwinqanaba
elincinci, singayenza nakwinqanaba elikhulu.

24:45.149 --> 24:56.285
Ewe, ke, ukuba ndiqonda kakuhle, kubalulekile ukufunda ukuthetha
kwakhona omnye nomnye, ukufunda ukunyamezela izimvo zabanye,

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ukufunda ukusebenzisana ngenjongo efanayo, nokuba
kulungele ukuthatha uxanduva, ukuba kulungele

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ukwenza izigqibo, ukujongana neengxaki njalo njalo.

25:09.485 --> 25:12.443
Kodwa oko akuthethi ukuba kufuneka siyiyeke
kubaphathi-zopolitiko abenza nantoni na

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abayifunayo ngathi, kodwa kuthetha ukuthi siphinde sithi:

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Ngokwenene ndizithembile, ndithatha
uxanduva ndibuyisele ezandleni zam.

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Eyona nto ibalulekileyo yingongoma ebaluleke kakhulu.

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Uthe kwintetho yakho awufakanga umba obaluleke kakhulu, okanye
eneneni owona mba ubalulekileyo kum, kuluhlu lwakho lwezinto.

25:32.214 --> 25:35.769
Ngokuqinisekileyo wacinga ngaloo nto, kodwa
awuzange uyithethe, kanye yile: Eyona nto ibalulekileyo

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asikokuthetha omnye nomnye, koko kukuphulaphulana.

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Sithetha rhoqo. Xa sibukele ezi nkqubo zencoko,
umzekelo, ezifumaneka kuyo yonke i-televishini, abantu

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abaninzi bathetha. Kodwa akukho mntu umamele omnye.

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Kwaye inkqubo esiyicebisayo, oko kukuthi sicebisa indlela ethile
yokuba iiseli zenze izigqibo kunye, kanye ngokwakha isivumelwano

25:53.512 --> 25:57.542
esibanzi, ngokwenene imalunga nokumamela omnye nomnye kuqala.

25:57.542 --> 26:02.972
Wonke umntu unethuba elilinganayo lokuzivakalisa, kwaye
akukho mntu uvumelekileyo ukugxeka abanye ngento abayithethayo.

26:02.972 --> 26:08.024
Endaweni yoko, intetho iyema. Ngoko ke sibuza umbuzo,
sifuna ukusombulula ingxaki, kwaye ke kubakho iimpendulo zayo.

26:08.024 --> 26:11.881
Kwaye wonke umntu unelungelo lokunika impendulo yakhe,
kwaye akukho mntu unelungelo lokugxeka impendulo yomnye.

26:11.881 --> 26:16.191
Kwaye xa sibuza emva koko, ukumelana kwakho komelele kangakanani?

26:16.191 --> 26:21.584
Ngoko ke, uziva ntoni ngaphakathi xa usithi leyo
yimpendulo echanekileyo yalo mbuzo? Uziva ntoni ke ngoko?

26:21.584 --> 26:25.276
Kwaye yiyo loo nto besithi inkululeko iqala
ekubeni uthi hayi. Kuba ukuba ndiva ukuba into

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ayilunganga kum, kufuneka ndikwazi ukuyithetha hayi.

26:27.475 --> 26:30.217
Kufuneka nditsho, andifuni lonto –
njengokugonywa i-coronavirus okanye ukunxiba imaski.

26:30.217 --> 26:33.695
Xa ndiqonda ukuba andiyifuni loo nto, kufuneka
ndikwazi ukuthi hayi. Kuba yiloo nto inkululeko.

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Inkululeko kukukwazi ukuthi: Hayi,
andiyifuni loo nto. Ibandakanya mna kuphela.

26:37.220 --> 26:40.678
Kwaye inkululeko isoloko iqala ngokuthi
"hayi." Yiyo loo nto ibizwa ngaloo ndlela.

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Kuba nanini na ndisithi, yekani, ndiva inkcaso apha, kwaye
kuvela uluvo lweqela, ndize ndiqonde ukuba andilufuni olo

26:46.375 --> 26:49.677
nto, ndithi ke: Yekani, hayi, andikhululekanga ngaloo nto!

26:49.677 --> 26:51.999
Kwaye ke iqela liyaphulaphula! Kwaye ke iqela liyaqonda:

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Kulungile, loo mntu uya kwantya, ngoko ke
mhlawumbi kufuneka siyitshintshe kancinci

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isigqibo sethu ukuze intlungu yomnye umntu iphele.

26:57.840 --> 27:03.764
Kwaye ngequbuliso ufumana isisombululo
esamkelweyo liqela lonke, okanye iselula, okanye uluntu.

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Ngoko ke ekugqibeleni, ilungelo lokuvetha
aliyonto ingaphaya koko. Sisoloko sifumana

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izisombululo ezamkelekileyo kwabo bachaphazelekayo.

27:11.124 --> 27:15.280
Kuba simamela 'hayi' yomntu wonke
othi, 'Andikhululekanga ngaloo nto.'

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Yileyo ingcinga engemva kwayo. Kwaye nabani na angayenza.

27:20.006 --> 27:22.180
Kodwa ungakwenza oko wedwa kuphela.

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Asinakuyicwangcisa okanye siyabelane ngayo ngayo
nayiphi na indlela, kodwa sinokuyikhuthaza kuphela.

27:26.074 --> 27:30.569
Kwaye abantu bayenza loo nto. Kwaye
singayisebenzisa loo nto eluntwini nathi.

27:30.569 --> 27:39.538
Ewe. Ukhankanyile ukuba asinalo
idemokhrasi yokwenene kuba sinedemokhrasi yobumeli.

27:39.538 --> 27:47.867
Ngoku ukhankanye, ekupheleni kwale dliwano-ndlebe, kodwa
undixelele ukuba bekukho iingxaki nangezi nyulo,

27:47.867 --> 27:56.897
ukuba azizange ziqhutywe ngokwenene ngendlela
yedemokhrasi. Kubonakala ngathi bekukho ukuphazanyiswa.

27:56.897 --> 28:03.487
Okokuqala, ungandicacisela mna kunye nababukeli
kwakhona ukuba yintoni eye yavela elubala okanye

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eyaziwayo, kwaye oku kungalwa njani kwixesha elizayo?

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Ngoko ke, kuqala, ekuphela kwenyathelo
elivumelekileyo kubantu abazimeleyo baseJamani (lukhetho).

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Ndithe ngaphambili ukuba, ngokoluvo lwam, asiyiyo
inkosi, kuba akavumelekanga ukuba atshintshe imithetho.

28:19.487 --> 28:26.121
Kodwa kunjalo ke: ekuphela kwesenzo umlawuli avunyelwe
ukusenza kukuvota, oko kukuthi, ukuphawula ebhokisini.

28:26.121 --> 28:32.408
Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba kufuneka ke
kuqinisekiswe ukuba ubuncinci esi senzo sikamongameli

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siyayibonakalisa ngokwenene into ekujoliswe kuyo.

28:35.925 --> 28:40.089
Oko kuthetha ukuba kufuneka sicinge ngokwenene,
kaloku, sikwilizwe laseJamani, kwaye iJamani

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yidemokhrasi kwaye iJamani lilizwe elisebenza ngomgaqo-siseko.

28:43.269 --> 28:48.519
Kwaye eJamani, le nkqubo yokunyulwa
izakuqhubeka ngendlela ecwangcisiweyo.

28:48.519 --> 28:51.363
Akunyanzelekanga nokuba sithethe ngokuqhathwa konke konke.

28:51.363 --> 28:56.254
Okokuqala, singathetha ngento yokuba akukho
sakhiwo kwaphela esivumela ukuba isebenze kakuhle.

28:56.254 --> 29:02.113
Xa iGosa loMbuso elibala iivoti libhengeza isiphumo
esisemthethweni, sesithathethwano nesokugqibela

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ngokuhlwa, akazi nokuba zingaphi izithili zonyulo eJamani.

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Akayazi loo nto. Ziye zaxelwa. Kodwa kufuneka
amkele naziphi na iingxelo ezingenayo,

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kodwa akayazi loo nto. Akanalo umbono opheleleyo.

29:12.097 --> 29:16.946
Ngoko ke ukuba umbuza ngosuku olungaphambi
lonyulo ukuba bangaphi abantu abaza kuvota

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kumaphondo onyulo ngomso, akanakusithi kuba akazi.

29:19.675 --> 29:27.573
Ngoko ke kukho inani X lezithili zonyulo, kwaye
akukho mntu waziyo ukuba ziphi phambi konyulo.

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Akukho bhaliso lulawulwa lwalonke lwezithili zonyulo.

29:30.355 --> 29:35.751
Ngoko ke, ungazijonga njani iziphumo xa
ungazi nokuba abantu bavota phi, bangaphi

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abavotayo, okanye bavota njani? Akukho mntu waziyo.

29:40.260 --> 29:45.401
Oko kukuthi, saseka lo mbutho obizwa
ngokuba yi-WABEO, omi ngokubona unyulo.

29:45.401 --> 29:50.469
Enyanisweni ibilindeleke ukuba ikhutshwe ngoSeptemba, ngexesha
lonyulo jikelele olwalucwangcisiwe, yaza ke

29:50.469 --> 29:55.234
kwanyanzeleka ukuba idityaniswe isuka ekuqaleni
kwisithuba seenyanga ezintathu, ngabo bayenzileyo.

29:55.234 --> 29:59.452
Ndikholelwa ukuba nawe waba nodliwano-ndlebe apha
noStephanie Tsomakaeva, owaqala yonke le nto ukusuka ekuqaleni.

29:59.452 --> 30:06.733
Ngoko ke, ibingumfazi omkhulu ngokwenene, oqilima,
owasebenza nzima kakhulu ukuze izinto zihambe kakuhle.

30:06.733 --> 30:14.403
Kwaye abantu babhalisile, ngoko ke wawusazi ukuba ngabantu
bokwenene, hayi iizombies ze-social media okanye iibots okanye

30:14.403 --> 30:22.460
nantoni na enjalo, kodwa ngabantu bokwenene – ekwakufuneka
babhalise kwaye ubhaliso lwabo lwangqiniswa – ababekhona kunyulo.

30:22.460 --> 30:27.221
Iyonke inani labantu abangama-3,700 bebesendleleni – into
engazange yenzeke ngaphambili kwimbali yeRiphabliki yeFederal

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yaseJamani – besiya kubona ukuba unyulo lwenziwa njani kanye.

30:30.171 --> 30:33.696
Kwaye ngoku kukho imigaqo ethile ekufuneka ilandelwe xa kuvotwa.

30:33.696 --> 30:40.494
Umzekelo, ukuba isikhululo sokuvota sivuliwe ukusukela ngentsimbi
yesi-8 kusasa ukuya kweyesi-6 ngokuhlwa, ukuba unyulo luyimfihlo,

30:40.494 --> 30:46.565
ukuba akukho zibhengezo zonyulo ngaphakathi okanye kufutshane
nesikhululo sokuvota, ukuba abantu abayifumani ngcebiso

30:46.565 --> 30:53.453
malunga nokuba bavotele bani kwisikhululo sokuvota, kwaye
akukho mntu wumbi ovumelekileyo ukuba angene kwigumbi lokuvota.

30:53.453 --> 30:58.220
Okanye emva koko, kuvalwa ngo-6 p.m.,
kwaye iivoti azibaliwe phambi kwe-6 p.m.

30:58.220 --> 31:01.314
Abantu bayavunyelwa ukuba babe khona baze babukele yonke inkqubo.

31:01.314 --> 31:04.423
Emva koko, xa kuvotwa, abantu
bayavunyelwa ukuba babe khona baze babukele.

31:04.423 --> 31:07.111
Bukela ngendlela yokuba babone okwenzekayo.

31:07.111 --> 31:14.158
Kwaye xa onke amavoti ebebalwe, ikomiti yonyulo yaloo
sithili sonyulo kufuneka ibhengeze iziphumo zonyulo phezulu.

31:14.158 --> 31:21.046
Kufuneka abhengeze iziphumo zonyulo kwisikhululo sakhe sokusavela
ukuze uluntu lwazi ukuba zezi iziphumo zonyulo,

31:21.046 --> 31:27.306
endithi emva koko ndizixele kwigosa elilandelayo
eliphezulu, edla ngokuba ligosa lonyulo lesithili.

31:27.306 --> 31:28.673
Kwaye kwabakho ukungangqinelani.

31:28.673 --> 31:30.640
Kanye. Kwaye ngoku kufika ingongoma.

31:30.640 --> 31:32.830
Ngoku zininzi izinto ezingahambi kakuhle.

31:32.830 --> 31:36.305
La ngumgaqo-siseko wonyulo, unyulo lwentando yesininzi.

31:36.305 --> 31:44.033
Nantsi ke. Okokuqala, kufuneka kuthiwe ukuba sifumene
ingxelo eninzi kakhulu, nto leyo echulumancisayo kakhulu.

31:44.033 --> 31:48.305
Kwaye singatsho ukuba kwi-80%
yempendulo, yonke into ihambe kakuhle.

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Kumaphondo olonyulo angama-80%, ngokokubona
kwethu okwangoku, unyulo luhambe kakuhle.

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Ngoko ke yonke le mithetho isisiseko, imigaqo kunye nemigaqo
yonyulo yayithotyelwa. Kwi-20% yamatyala, oku akwenzekanga.

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Kwi-20% yamatyala, bavale iindawo zokuvotela ngo-5:30 p.m.,
bagxothela ngaphandle abahloli bonyulo kuba bengabafuni

32:08.828 --> 32:12.853
apho, baza babeka abahloli bonyulo kumgama wemitha ezingama-20.

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Ezinye zezi zikhululo zovoto eneneni ziijimi.

32:17.351 --> 32:20.023
Kwaye ke baza basuswa nje baya phambili
ngemitha ezingama-20, apho ke awunakubona

32:20.023 --> 32:22.533
kwaphela ukuba kwenzeka ntoni kwisiphako ngasinye.

32:22.533 --> 32:26.072
Kwezinye iimeko, abazange
bazibhengeze ngezwi eliphezulu iziphumo zonyulo.

32:26.072 --> 32:30.840
Ewe, zininzi izinto ezenzekayo apho
ebengafanelanga kuvunyelwe ukuba zenzeke.

32:30.840 --> 32:37.825
Kwaye ukuba ngoku siqwalasela ukuba umanyano lukaSahra
Wagenknecht lufutshane ngeevoti eziyi-9,000 kuphela kweso

32:37.825 --> 32:44.124
banesidingo sokungena kwi-Bundestag, ngoku, ngokomgaqo, kwezi,
oko kukuthi, zizonke, sinenani kuphela

32:44.124 --> 32:50.533
esinako, esingoku sibixeleyo, zizithili zonyulo
eziyi-300 apho iimpazamo ezinjalo zenzekileyo.

32:50.533 --> 32:55.986
300, njengoko sele sinike ingxelo,
izithili zonyulo ezingama-300 zinezi ziphazamiso.

32:55.986 --> 33:04.267
Kwaye asizazi zonke iivoti kwezi zithili zonyulo, kodwa kwezo
sizaziyo, kukho iivoti ezingama-99,000 zodwa apho ezi ziphazamiso

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bezikho kangangokuba asinakukwazi, ngokomgaqo, ukuqinisekisa
ukuba iziphumo ezathunyelwayo ziziphumo ekwenene

33:11.375 --> 33:18.884
ebezivotelwe, kuba, njengoko benditshilo, iziphumo
zonyulo azizange zide zibhengezwe kulo mmandla wokunyula.

33:18.884 --> 33:25.850
Oko kuthetha ukuba sinama-99,000, ubuncinci iivoti
ezingama-99,000, ukuba uyakulinganisa oko – sijonge kuphela

33:25.850 --> 33:29.108
kwizithili zokunyula eziyi-3,000, kwaye zimalunga nama-90,000.

33:29.108 --> 33:33.790
Ukuba ungayandisa loo nto, ungayibona
imilinganiselo sithetha ngayo apha.

33:33.790 --> 33:37.640
Akunyanzelekanga kubekho nayiphi na inkohliso,
akukho mntu kufuneka abe qhathe okanye enze enye into.

33:37.640 --> 33:42.955
Kodwa ngokomgaqo, asinayo indlela yokuqinisekisa ukuba
oko kufika kwi-ofisi yeGosa eliyiNtloko lokubala

33:42.955 --> 33:47.337
iivoti kuMbuso ebusuku, yiphumo elifunyenweyo kwindawo yalo.

33:47.337 --> 33:51.220
Kwaye akukho kubalwa kwakhona kweevoti okanye nantoni na
enje. Ngoko ke, ngokomgaqo, ngumdlalo omkhulu welothari.

33:51.220 --> 33:55.340
Ngoko ke asazi nokuba umanyano lukaSahra
Wagenknecht lune pesenti ezintlanu na okanye hayi.

33:55.340 --> 34:02.558
Ndicinga ukuba banepesenti ezintlanu, kodwa akunakungqinwa kuba,
ngokwendlela elakhiwe ngayo, ayilotyumbo lwentando yesininzi.

34:02.558 --> 34:08.650
Kwaye ukuba, umzekelo, isiphumo solonyulo asikabhengezwa, siza
kwazi njani ukuba into ekugqibeleni imiswe njengesiphumo

34:08.650 --> 34:13.206
ichanekile na, okanye ukuba umntu othile ngoku
wongeze iiphepha zokuvota ezimbalwa okanye

34:13.206 --> 34:15.996
wasusa iiphepha zokuvota ezimbalwa okanye enye into.

34:15.996 --> 34:19.108
Asazi, kuba izinto zifakwa kwiimvulophu.

34:19.108 --> 34:24.301
Ngapha koko, ingongoma elandelayo yeyokuba amanye amaphepha
okuvota akazange afakwe kwiimvulophu ezitywiniweyo, njengoko

34:24.301 --> 34:28.369
kufunekayo, kodwa afakwe nje kwiingxowa
ezivaliweyo ngeebhendi zerabha, nto leyo ethetha ukuba

34:28.369 --> 34:31.138
ayenokuvulwa aze atshintshwe nangaliphi na ixesha.

34:31.138 --> 34:34.305
Ungaze ucinge ukuba bayayenza.
Kodwa kunokwenzeka ukuba bayayenza.

34:34.305 --> 34:41.322
Kwaye asinakukwazi, kunyulo lwentando yesininzi,
nokunika umbono wokuba into eyenzekileyo ayilunganga.

34:41.322 --> 34:46.543
Ingakumbi xa, njengoko benditshilo, sinomahluko
wama-euro angama-9,000 kuphela kuSahra Wagenknecht.

34:46.543 --> 34:47.478
Iivoti eziyi-9,000!

34:47.478 --> 34:50.000
Iivoti eziyi-9,000, kanye. Umahluko weevoti eziyi-9,000.

34:50.000 --> 34:56.556
Kwaye yiloo nto kanye leyo. Oko kuthetha ukuba
unyulo lwethu, andazi ukuba ndingakubeka

34:56.556 --> 35:00.080
njani, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo alulolawulo lwabantu.

35:00.080 --> 35:05.760
Abathembekanga, abaqondakali, kwaye abacacanga.

35:05.760 --> 35:10.869
Kwinqanaba elikhulu kangangokuba ngokuqinisekileyo,
ngokuqinisekileyo luhambelana nomsebenzi oyintloko.

35:10.869 --> 35:17.767
Kwaye oku ngoku kumiselwe okokuqala ngenxa
yokubeka iliso okucwangcisiweyo lwezonyulo yi-WABEO.

35:17.767 --> 35:23.463
Ndingenza olunye unxibelelwano?
Sasisandul' ukuthetha ngeereferendamu.

35:23.463 --> 35:32.000
Kodwa ke, ukuba ngoku siyazi ukuba ezi referendamu ziqhutywa
njengeenyulo, kwaye siyazi ukuba iziphumo azigqitywa ngendlela

35:32.000 --> 35:38.386
enobulungisa, nokuba siphathe ngezininzi
ezibuthathaka kakhulu apha – ngombuzo wokuba ingaba

35:38.386 --> 35:42.159
umgaqo-siseko makulungiswe na okanye hayi – ngoko ke

35:42.159 --> 35:44.503
Kanye, ibiya kuba ngumbuzo wam lowo.

35:44.503 --> 35:48.354
Kanye, loo mbuzo mnye. Ngoko ke,
ukuhlela umgaqo-siseko, sidinga iquorum.

35:48.354 --> 35:52.549
Oko kukuthi, inani elithile
labemi abathatha inxaxheba kulo mvoto.

35:52.549 --> 35:56.471
Kwaye ke kufuneka kubekho isininzi
esithile phakathi kwale nani yabathathi-nxaxheba.

35:56.471 --> 36:02.379
Ngoko ke, ukuba nje wehlisa inani elifunekayo ngale ndlela – oko
kukuthi, ngokwethiyori sinobuninzi obuzi-zibini-zithathu

36:02.379 --> 36:08.579
zokuvunywa kolu hlengahlengiso lomgaqo-siseko, kodwa uthi, ewe,
kodwa ngelishwa kuphela i-39.8 pesenti yabantu abavotileyo hayi

36:08.579 --> 36:12.049
i-40 pesenti – ke olu hlengahlengiso lomgaqo-siseko luyasilela.

36:12.049 --> 36:19.052
Ewe, kwaye asinakulawula ukuba iziphumo zonyulo, inani labavoti
njalo njalo Ngamanye amazwi, isiphumo kwesi sikhululo sokuvota

36:19.052 --> 36:25.563
asibhengezwa esidlangalaleni kwaye sinomntu omnye ubuncinane
ohleli kwisikhululo ngasinye sokuvota okanye kwisithili ngasinye

36:25.563 --> 36:31.656
sonyulo ophulaphulayo, asibhale phantsi aze asinike isiphumo
ukuze sikwazi ukusijonga, isiphumo esigqibela sicacisiwe

36:31.656 --> 36:35.604
eneneni sisiphumo abasibhengezeyo kwizikhululo zokuvota.

36:35.604 --> 36:40.198
Ngoko ke, ukuze sifumane indlela
yethu eya kwidemokhrasi ethe ngqo.

36:40.198 --> 36:52.495
Ukuze sicinge nokucinga ngokutshintsha imimiselo-siseko yesizwe,
kufuneka siqinisekise ukuba siyabakhona ekubukeleni unyulo.

36:52.495 --> 36:56.456
Ngoko ke, ukuba ndiqonda kakuhle,
abahloli bonyulo bayafuneka kuyo yonke indawo.

36:56.456 --> 36:58.317
Ewe, ubuzile ngaphambili ukuba ndingenza ntoni.

36:58.317 --> 37:02.961
Ngaphandle kokuseka eli qela, nto leyo efuna
umgudu omkhulu, ngokuqinisekileyo

37:02.961 --> 37:06.409
ndingacebisa ukuba undwendwele iwebhusayithi i-wabeo.de.

37:06.409 --> 37:09.573
Kunyaka ozayo, ndikholelwa, kuza kubakho
unyulo lwephondo eBaden-Württemberg,

37:09.573 --> 37:11.851
eMecklenburg-Western Pomerania naseSaxony-Anhalt.

37:11.851 --> 37:19.616
Olu nyulo luza kubekwa esweni kwilizwe lonke okokuqala.

37:19.616 --> 37:24.893
Ungabhalisa apho, uqinisekise
isazisi sakho, kwaye kubiza i-£6.50.

37:24.893 --> 37:29.060
Ii-euro ezi-6.50 kuba kukho le nkqubo
yokuqinisekisa, edidayo kakhulu, kodwa yenza kucace

37:29.060 --> 37:32.323
ukuba kukho umntu wokwenene ngasemva kwayo.

37:32.323 --> 37:35.948
Emva koko singakwazi ngokwenene ukujonga yonke into ngokubanzi:

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Ingaba isiphumo esibhengezwayo ekugqibeleni sesona
siphumo siphumileyo kwizikhululo zokuvota, okanye

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kwizithili zonyulo? Kwaye loo nto iyavuyisa ngokwenene.

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Kwaye oku kusenokungabi njalo – umlawuli wesithili, ongusodolophu
waseSpeyer, owathi wabhalelwa ngumhloli wonyulo – kufuneka

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ndikhankanye oku apha njengento encinci... Enyanisweni, ayisiyonto
incinci leyo, kuba ibuhlungu kakhulu – wabhala ekhalaza ngendlela

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apathwe ngayo njengomjongi wonyulo kwisikhululo sivotelo.

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Kwaye ke lo meya waseSpeyer, kwisikhundla sakhe sokuba ngumphathi
wonyulo wesithili, wabhalela impendulo esithi, ngokoluvo

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lwakhe, kubi kakhulu ukuba abantu beze babukele unyulo.

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Kuba oko kungathetha ukuba unyulo aluqhutywa
ngokufanelekileyo, nto leyo eyenza ukuba idemokhrasi

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yethu ingabi sesemthethweni. Khawucinge nje ngaloo nto.

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Ubungqophololo bokhetho ngomnye wemigaqo
esisiseko yomthetho wethu wokhetho nemimiselo yokhetho.

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Kwaye ke kuvele igosa elifanelekileyo lokubuyekeza iivoti
kwisithili lize lithi, ngokombono walo, isibakala sokuba umntu

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ofuna ukujonga unyulo, ofuna ukuqinisekisa ukuba le nto yenzekayo
apha – le nto sihlala siyibiza ngokuba sisenzo sobukhosi,

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isenzo sobukhosi esisodwa – iqhutywa ngokufanelekileyo.

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Loo nto ingabonakala ngathi
abayathembi, kungenxa nje yokuba bemi apho.

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Kunjalo ke. Khawucinge nje ngaloo nto.

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USodolophu unolu luvo ngabantu
abangabangela ukuba abe kwesi sikhundla kwasekuqaleni.

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Kunomdla kakhulu. Kuhle kakhulu. Mnu
Ludwig, enkosi kakhulu ngokuthetha nathi!

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Yayiyinto yokwenene evule amehlo. Ngaphezu
kwako konke, ngoku kunokwenzeka ukubona ukuba

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ngawaphi amanyathelo anokathathwa ngumntu ngamnye.

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Okokuqala, ungathatha inxaxheba ekuqapheni unyulo.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba ungqhagamshelana ne-WABEO.

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Emva koko ungabona nje indlela onokwenza
ngayo iseli okanye ujoyine esele ikhona.

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Ke ungayenza nje. Inkululeko iqala
ekwenzeni ngaphandle kokubandakanyeka.

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Ndicinga ukuba ngoku usinike amanyathelo
okuqala okuba singayiphumeza njani le nto,

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ukuze abemi bakwazi ukuthatha ulawulo kwakhona.

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Enkosi kakhulu ngodliwano-ndlebe oluvule amehlo!

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Enkosi kakhulu ngokundivumela ukuba ndibe lapha.