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Uma sibheka lokho, ubani okufanele abhekane nakho?

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Ngisungule isikhungo sami nabanye ozakwethu, okusho ukuthi:

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Isikhungo sokuphenya, sokuhlola kabusha, sokumangalela
ngokomthetho nokuvimbela ubugebengu bokuphatha kabi abantu.

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Abantu abaningi bahlale bebuzwa, kungani
kunezobugebengu bokuphatha kabi abantu?

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Ngoba lokho esikuhlangenwe nakho
lapha kwakuyizono ezibhekiswe ebantwini.

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Abantu baye bahlukunyezwa. Odokotela basahlukunyezwa namuhla.

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Odokotela bathunyelwa ejele ngenxa yokwenza umsebenzi wabo.

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Umlingani wami uRainer Fuellmich usejele
eGöttingen. Ungumfundisi omkhulu futhi.

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Ukulungisana kungenzeka kuphela
uma sishintsha isimo sezepolitiki.

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Ngoba izimo zezepolitiki esizithola kuzo, lapho nje
sivumela amandla, ngeke ziholele ekuhlolweni kabusha okufanele.

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Ngoba, njengoba ngishilo, abenzi bobubi
kuzofanele ukuthi bazibhekane nalokho abakwenzile.

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Akekho ongacabanga ukuthi labo abenze lezi zenzo
zobudlova kuluntu bazovuka bathi, "Yebo, siyenzile."

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Manje sifuna ukubekwa icala enkantolo, phambi kwamajaji
esizikhethele wona, phambi kwabamangaleli esizikhethele wona,

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ukuze bakwazi ukwahlulela ukuthi okwenzile kwakuhle noma kwakubi.

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Abahluleli, abangitshele ukuthi benze konke ngendlela efanele
ngaleso sikhathi, ezinyangeni ezintathu ezedlule

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ngaphambi kokuvuza kwamarekhodi e-RKI, manje ngokuzumayo
kumele babuyekeze icala... Lokho nakho ngeke kusebenze.

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Kuzosebenza kuphela... – uRalf Boes usanda
kukwazisa, futhi ngiyavumelana noRalf Boes nabanye

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abaningi. Sicela ubheke iwebhusayithi ayishilo.

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Ngikholelwa ukuthi sidinga ukudlula emazweni ahlangene.

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Sinezimiso zethu ezizimele kuzo
zonke izifundazwe zikahulumeni omkhulu.

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Futhi njengoba kuyimithethosisekelo ehlukene,
ngayinye yemithethosisekelo yombuso wefederal

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isivumela ukuthi siyiguqule le mithethosisekelo.

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Sinamandla ezandleni zethu. Awazi nje.

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Namuhla ngiyamemukela ngokufudumele
ummeli uRalf Ludwig esitudiyo sethu se-Kla.TV.

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Sawubona.

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Emibhikishweni eBerlin, wathi
sinamandla ezandleni zethu, kodwa asikazi.

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Hhayi, nami angazi. Angazi ngisho ukuthi
luhlobo luni lwamandla engiwaphethe ezandleni zami.

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Futhi angazi nokuthi ngingathonya kanjani
izinqumo zezepolitiki, nokuthi lokho kusebenza kanjani.

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Ungasizisa thina, ungangisiza mina, ungabasiza ababukeli kancane?

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Yebo, ngokomqondo akunzima kangako.

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Sinezifundazwe zikahulumeni kazwelonke
eziyi-16 eJalimane, futhi zonke izifundazwe

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zikahulumeni kazwelonke zineMthethosisekelo wazo.

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Futhi yonke imithethosisekelo yezifundazwe –
ngaphandle kweHesse, kodwa empeleni ifaka iHesse

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– inikeza ithuba lokwenza imithetho ngabantu.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi abantu abahlala esifundazweni
sikahulumeni ngamunye bangazenzela imithetho yabo.

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Futhi abakwazi nje ukwenza imithetho, kodwa futhi
bangakwazi ukulungisa umthethosisekelo wesifundazwe esithile.

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Ukuze bakwazi ukushintsha imithetho yokuphila
ndawonye, imithetho yesakhiwo, isakhiwo

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sezepolitiki, embusweni wabo wefederal uma befuna.

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Lokhu kudinga izinhlelo ezithile. Lokhu kusho ukuthi
kuhlale kunezinyathelo ezintathu ezibandakanyekayo.

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Isinyathelo sokuqala isicelo sabantu.
Lokhu kusho ukuthi wethula umqondo.

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Kumele uqoqe inani elithile lamavoti.

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Okwesibili yilokho okwaziwa ngokuthi i-referendamu.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi kufanele ufakazele ukuthi inani
elithile labantu ezweni banentshisekelo kulesi sihloko.

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Lena njalo isigaba esinzima kakhulu, futhi uma usuwudlule, kuba
sengathi kukhetho, njengoba sikwaziyo, NgoSonto abantu babizwa

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eziteshini zokuvota futhi bangavota kulesi sihloko sezepolitiki
noma kumthetho othulwa noma okuthile okufana nakho, bese bethi,

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njengabantu baleli sifundazwe sikazwelonke, sifuna kube
kanje noma kanjalo, noma sifuna lo mthetho ukuba khona, noma

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sifuna lo mthetho wokulawula noma lowo mthetho wokulawula.

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Ngokomgomo, lokhu kumisiwe kuwo
wonke umthethosisekelo wesifundazwe.

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Futhi lokho kusho ukuthi uma sifuna, singangenelela ezinqumweni
zezepolitiki ngokwethu, kunokuba nje sifake uphawu

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ebhokisini njalo eminyakeni emine noma emihlanu futhi sithemba
ukuthi abantu abafanele bayakhethwa benze izinqumo ezifanele.

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Ah yebo. Futhi imithethosisekelo yezifundazwe – manje
sengididekile kancane... Siphinde sibe noMthetho Osekelayo.

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Yini leyo? Ngesinye isikhathi, akusebenzi
ezingeni likahulumeni kazwelonke, kusebenza

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kuphela ezingeni lesifundazwe. Kungani kunjalo?

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Yebo, kahle, vele sinomthetho oyisisekelo, futhi lo
mthetho oyisisekelo empeleni ubizwa ngokuthi "Umthetho

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Oyisisekelo weRiphabhulikhi YaseFederal yaseJalimane".

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Lokhu kunemibangela yomlando, impela. Ngemva
kweMpi Yezwe Yesibili, iJalimane yahlukaniswa.

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IGermany yayibanjwe, yabanjwa ngamandla
ahlukene, ngempela ngamandla amane aphumelele empini,

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futhi iGermany yayihlukaniswe cishe ngokwezindawo.

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Lokhu kwakusho ukuthi ubunye
bomhlaba beMbuso yaseJalimane babungasekho.

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Kwabe sekuqala iMpi Ebandayo phakathi
kweNtshonalanga neMpumalanga, ikakhulukazi

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iRussia – futhi ngaleso sikhathi iSoviet Union.

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Futhi amandla aseNtshonalanga ayenombono ohlukene mayelana
nokuthi abhekane kanjani neJalimane, ukuthi bayiphathé kanjani

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iJalimane, nokuthi ikusasa leJalimane kumele libe kanjani.

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Yebo, lokho kwaholela ekusungulweni kweRiphabhulikhi Yezwe
LaseJalimane ngo-1949, futhi iRiphabhulikhi Yezwe LaseJalimane,

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impela, ingxenye kuphela yeReich yaseJalimane yonke.

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi kwakusacatshangwa ukuthi ekugcineni
kuzotholakala isixazululo sonke eJalimane, yingakho

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umthethosisekelo waseJalimane wawungakadalwa, ngoba
umthethosisekelo wawungadalwa kuphela wendawo yonke

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yeReich, indawo eyayikhona yeReich, yonke indawo
yaseJalimane, ngakho wabizwa ngokuthi uMthetho Osemqoka.

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Lokho ngokuyisisekelo ngumthetho oyisisekelo
wamandla amathathu aphumelele e-Allied, owaxoxisanwa

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ngalo nabaphathi bezepolitiki eHerren-Chiemsee, cishe.

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Futhi lo Mthetho Oyisisekelo
waphinde wasinda ekuhlanganisweni kabusha.

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Noma kunjalo, nakuba kuhlelwe kuMthetho Osekelayo, akuzange
kwakhiwe umthethosisekelo wonke weJalimane; esikhundleni

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salokho, uMthetho Osekelayo waqhubeka njengomthethosisekelo.

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Futhi ngihlala ngithi ukuthi umthethosisekelo ungaba
umthethosisekelo kuphela uma uneNkosi ephathekayo.

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Futhi umbusi akayena, njengoba uCarl Schmitt
nje esho, lowo onquma isimo esiphuthumayo,

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kodwa lowo ongakwazi ukushintsha imithetho.

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Futhi umthethosisekelo wethu
awuvumeli abantu ukuthi bashintshe imithetho.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi uMthetho Osekelweni
awukwazi ukuba umthethosisekelo ngale ndlela, ngoba

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uMthetho Osekelweni awuvumi igunya eliphethe.

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Noma isenzo sobukhosi esisodwa esisazi sona
njengabantu bezwe yikhetho kuphela –

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ukukhetha i-Bundestag kanye njalo eminyakeni emine.

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Futhi yilokho kuphela ukubamba iqhaza
kwabantu eRiphabhulikhi Yezwe LaseJalimane.

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Ngaphandle kwalokho, akukho
okucwangcisiwe. Akukho umthetho odumile.

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Nakuba iSigaba 20 sisasho ukuthi umbuso
uzimisela inqubomgomo ngokhetho nezivoti

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zomphakathi, eJalimane azikho izivoti zomphakathi.

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Ayikho umthetho wokuvota, ngakho-ke akukho ukuvota.

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Khona-ke kunoSigaba 146, esithi abantu baseJalimane
bangamukela umthethosisekelo omusha noma umthethosisekelo.

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Abameli abaningi bezomthethosisekelo bathi lesi sigaba noma
lesi sihloko asisebenzi, ukuthi lo mthetho-sisekelo awusebenzi.

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Kungenzeka ukukhuluma ngalokhu ngokuningiliziwe, kodwa kuwo wonke
umthethosisekelo wesifundazwe eJalimane kunethuba lokuthi abantu

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bangenelele ngokusebenzayo emthethweni ngezinyathelo
ezintathu engizishilo nje, ukuze bazidalele imithetho

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ngokwabo, ngaleyo ndlela bashintshe imithetho ngokwabo.

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Futhi hhayi nje ukuthi imithetho yokusebenzisa ingashintsha
imithetho, kodwa ingakwazi ngisho – njengoba ngishilo,

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ngokungeziwe okuncane mayelana neHesse – ukushintsha
umthethosisekelo kuwo wonke amazwe ahlangene, okusho

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ukuthi ishintsha imithetho yokuphila ndawonye kwabo.

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Kunezindinganiso ezimbili eziyisisekelo okumele zigcinwe.

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Lokho kuhlala kuyisisekelo sobubuswabantu, okusho ukuthi
zonke izinqumo zezepolitiki kumele zisekelwe entando yabantu.

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Okwesibili yisiqinisekiso sokuzihlonipha komuntu.
Ngakho-ke akufanele siguqule imithetho ngendlela

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yokuthi isiqinisekiso sokuzihlonipha komuntu sisuswe.

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Kodwa yilezo kuphela izimiso, futhi ngaphakathi
kwalezo zimiso, abantu esifundazweni ngasinye

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sikahulumeni wobumbano bangazinqumela ngokwabo.

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Ngakho-ke, isibonelo, singanquma ukuthi asisafuni ukukhetha
uhulumeni wesifundazwe noma iphalamende

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lesifundazwe njalo eminyakeni emihlanu (okulungile: emine),
kodwa sifuna ukuwukhetha njalo eminyakeni emibili.

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Noma singanquma ukuthi asisafuni uhulumeni
wesifundazwe, kodwa iphalamende lesifundazwe kumele

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linike abaphathi imisebenzi ethile nokunye okunjalo.

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Singaphinde ngokomqondo sisuse iPhalamende uma sibe nenye
indlela engakayimela intando yedemokhrasi, kodwa eyiveza.

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Ngakho-ke singashintsha okuningi, kodwa kuphela
ezingeni lesifundazwe, hhayi ngempela ezingeni likazwelonke.

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Yebo, kuyathakazelisa kakhulu.
Futhi inqubo enjalo ingaqalwa kanjani?

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Masithi sifuna ukushintsha okuthile kulesi sakhiwo sonke
sezepolitiki, noma sifuna ukushintsha indlela yokuqokwa

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kwamaJaji, isibonelo, noma ngisho nabamangaleli bomphakathi,
ukuze bangasabi ukuqokwa uMnyango Wezobulungiswa, kodwa abantu.

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Ungakwenza kanjani lokho? Ungathatha kanjani isinyathelo?

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Ngokuyisisekelo, njengoba ngishilo, yonke imithetho,
kuhlanganise nemithethosisekelo yezifundazwe, ingashintshwa.

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Futhi ngokomqondo, noma ubani angavula umkhankaso kalula
nje; umuntu oyedwa noma abantu ababili bangavula umkhankaso...

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…Ngakho, sobabili?

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Singakwazi sobabili – kahle, mhlawumbe hhayi manje, ngoba
asihlali esifundazweni esifanayo, kodwa ngokomqondo, yebo.

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Uma besihlala esifundazweni sikahulumeni omkhulu
esifanayo, besingasho nje ukuthi sifuna ukushintsha umthetho.

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Bese silungisa umthethosivivinywa wokuqala
njengoba siwubona – ngamanye amazwi, lokho esikwenzayo.

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Mhm.

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Kukhona futhi umehluko. Ungathumela futhi izicelo zolwazi
zomphakathi, okusho ukuthi iPhalamende kumele

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libhekane nezicelo ezithile futhi libambe
iseshini, iseshini yePhalamende, ukubhekana nalolu daba.

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Kodwa manje, ngaphansi komthetho odume kakhulu,
sobabili sibhala ibhili, ngokuthi, bese siyifaka,

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ngokuvamile ekhomitini ephatha iPhalamende Lesifundazwe.

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Kuzomenyezelwa ngokujwayelekile ukuthi manje kusungulwa
lapha umkhankaso wabantu, ngenxa yalolu shintsho emthethweni.

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Bese-ke singaqala futhi siqoqe amavoti
kulokhu kulungiswa komthetho esinakho.

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Futhi uma sesifinyelele inani elithile labavoti – esigabeni
sokuqala liphansi kancane, kwamanye amazwe lingama-6

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000 noma ama-5 000 kuphela – uma sesinazo lezi zivoti,
sivunyelwe ukuqalisa okubizwa ngokuthi i-referendamu.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi iphalamende lesifundazwe
lizocubungula isicelo esidume kakhulu sabantu futhi lingase

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silivume noma lingalivumi. Kulokho, ngeke kube ne-referendamu.

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Bese kuya e-referendamu, futhi e-referendamu kumele uqoqe inani
elithile lemisayini phakathi nesikhathi esithile, ngokuvamile

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phakathi kwezinyanga eziyisithupha neziyisishiyagalombili.

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Futhi uma le nani labamele selidlulwe, iphalamende
lesifundazwe lizobuyekeza le ndaba futhi linqume

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ukuthi livume yini lolu hlelo lomthetho noma cha.

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Futhi uma engavumelani, khona-ke kuzoba
nohlelo lokuvota lwezizwe, olufana nokhetho.

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Bese izakhamuzi zibizwa ukuba zivote ngeSonto.

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Kuthi-ke kuthiwa: Kulungile. Izakhamuzi ziyacelwa
ukuthi zisho ukuthi ziyafuna yini lo mthetho, yebo noma cha.

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Njengoba wawusho emibhikishweni eBerlin,
isinqumo sokugcina kumele senziwe futhi ngabantu.

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Ngakho-ke lokhu kungaqalwa
ngokusebenzayo ngalezi zimiso zikazwelonke.

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Yebo, ngempela. Ngesikhathi sobhubhane we-coronavirus,
sibone ukuthi ezombusazwe zingene kanjani ezimpilweni zabantu.

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Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kumele kube nokwenzeka
kubantu ukuthi bazivikele kule migaqo engenelela.

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Futhi lokho engisanda kuchaza, lezi
zinyathelo, lezi zinyathelo ezintathu, zithatha phakade.

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Futhi kuze kube yilapho, vele, besingeke sivimbe lutho.

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Futhi yilokho okwenza isiphakamiso sami sibe ukuthi
kuqala sonke sifake ilungelo elibizwa ngokuthi

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ilungelo lokuveto kuwo wonke umthethosisekelo wesifundazwe.

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Ngakho-ke sithi yonke imithetho nemithetho
yokulawula eyenziwe nguhulumeni wesifundazwe izoqala

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ukusebenza ngemva kwezinyanga ezintathu okungenani.

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Phakathi nalezi zinyanga ezintathu, abantu abanokuhlangabezana
nenani elithile banesikhathi sokuqoqa iziginesha.

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Futhi uma sebeqoqa inani elithile lemisayini, engicabanga
ukuthi lilingana nezingu-2.5% zabantu bonke, kodwa lokho

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kungashintshwa, khona-ke kuzoba noreferendamu ngaleli mthetho.

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Ngoba-ke amaphesenti amabili nengxenye
ngokusobala bathi asifuni lo mthetho.

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Lokho akubalulekile nje. Ngisho, amaphesenti
amahlanu ayiqembu ePhalamende Lesifundazwe.

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Ngakho-ke lapha, amaphesenti
amabili nengxenye bathi asifuni lokhu.

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Kuthi bonke abantu, okusho izakhamuzi
zombuso wefederal ngamunye, bavote ukuthi bafuna

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yini lo mthetho noma lo mthetho wokulawula.

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Kodwa uma umthethisi wethula umthetho noma umthetho-sikhombisi –
ngoba uthi kuphuthumile ngempela, kumele sikwenze ngokushesha

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manje – uma engasiniki isikhathi sezinyanga ezintathu, khona-ke
kuyaphoqeleka ukuvota ngalo mthetho, ngalo mthetho-sikhombisi.

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Ukuze singagcini sesisesimweni lapho
abenzi bomthetho begijimisa imithetho.

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Ngihlala ngithi uma abantu bebengakwazi ukuvota
ngesidingo sokugqoka imaski, bekungeke kwethulwe.

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Yebo, isidingo sokugqoka imaski sasethulwa ngempela ngomsebenzi
wokusebenza ngasese nangobuqili, futhi

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yilokho okwokuqala okwadala ukwesaba okwabe
sekuyisidingo sokuthi abantu bagonywe, isibonelo.

13:22.818 --> 13:29.085
Futhi kumele sithi uma befuna ukudlulisela imithetho ngaphansi
kobumnyama, njengokuthi, ezizongena emthethweni kungakapheli

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isikhathi esifushane, abezepolitiki kumele ngokushesha
nangaso sonke isikhathi bafake le mithetho ekhethweni

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labantu ukuze abantu bakwazi ukusho "cha" uma kudingeka.

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Lona ilungelo lokuveto, igunya lokugcina
lokuthatha izinqumo, njengoba ngihlala ngithi. Yebo.

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Abantu bangasho ukuthi cha futhi
izinto azinakwenziwa ngale ndlela.

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Singakwenza lokho. Singakwenza
lokho kuwo wonke amazwe kazwelonke.

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Futhi lokho kuzokwenza kucace kubaphathi bezepolitiki ukuthi
yonke imithetho abayenzayo – manje, isibonelo, ezingeni

13:55.119 --> 13:58.384
likahulumeni kazwelonke, kwakuyilezi zikweletu abazibangele zona.

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Kodwa-ke, isibonelo, kungaba nokwenzeka ukusho...
Noma ngabe kunezomthetho zikahulumeni kazwelonke,

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iKhonsili Kazwelonke kumele inikeze imvume yayo.

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Futhi uma thina, njengabantu bezizwe ezimanyene,
sasitshela uhulumeni ukuthi abavunyelwe ukuvuma

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lokhu, lezo zikweletu, isibonelo, bezingeke zibe khona.

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Futhi thina, njengabantu, kumele sibe namandla lawa, ukuze
singavoti nje kanye bese singabi nakho ukulawula ngalokho

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abaphathi bezepolitiki abakwenzayo ezimweni ezithile, ukuthi
yiziphi izinhlangano ezakhiwayo, nokuthi abaphathi bezepolitiki

14:23.770 --> 14:27.983
banquma kanjani, kodwa ukuze thina,
njengabantu besizwe, sikwazi ukusho noma kunini kunoma

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yiluphi udaba lwezepolitiki, "Asifuni lokho."

14:31.239 --> 14:38.910
Ingabe sekukhona izimpawu zokuthi amaqembu
asebenza ngalolu hlelo, ukuthi athathe isinyathelo?

14:38.910 --> 14:41.871
Yebo, umqondo ongemuva kwakho konke
ukwenza kube ngokuphelele okungahleliwe.

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Ngakho-ke asifuni uhlobo oluthile
lenhlangano ephakathi ukwenza lokho.

14:44.376 --> 14:49.246
Esikhundleni salokho, sasho ukuthi
izinto ezimbili zibalulekile kithi.

14:49.246 --> 14:56.332
Amaqembu nezinhlangano ezenza lokhu kumele
zixhumane ngokudemokhrasi komunye nomunye ngendlela ethile.

14:56.332 --> 14:58.480
Sithi, hlala uthathe izinqumo ezisekelwe ekwamukeleni.

14:58.480 --> 15:05.160
Lokhu kusho ukuthi uma sifuna ukuba nentando yeningi yangempela,
kumele siqale ukuyisebenzisa thina uqobo ezingeni elincane.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi asikwazi ukufuna
ukuthi umphakathi wethu ube yidemokhrasi.

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Futhi thina ngokwethu, ngosayizi omncane endaweni
esisebenza kuyo, asiziphathi ngendlela yedemokhrasi komunye

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nomunye, futhi asiziphathi ngendlela esekelwe ekwamukelweni.

15:16.277 --> 15:21.503
Ngakho-ke isinqumo esibalulekile ngaphansi kwalezi zimo.

15:21.503 --> 15:27.867
Futhi iphuzu lesibili ukucabangela ukuthi singabakhuthaza kanjani
abantu abaningi ngangokunokwenzeka ukuze

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siqinisekise ukuthi kuqoqwa izisayini ezanele
zale referendamu, noma ekuqaleni kwesicelo.

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Futhi lokhu kufanele kube ngokuphelele okungahleliwe, kwenziwe
yizicucu ezincane ezifanele kakhulu ukunquma

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endaweni kunanoma ubani osezingeni eliphakathi
mayelana nezinkinga, okuthakazelisayo, njll.

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Futhi kunezinhlelo eziningi ezisungulwayo njengamanje.

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Empeleni sasiphakamisile nje sathi, "Hhayi-ke, yenza okuthile."

15:50.772 --> 15:53.537
Futhi manje sesimenyiwe eBaden-Württemberg.

15:53.537 --> 16:00.670
Kukhona isiyingi esikhulu sezinhloso
ezifuna ukwenza lokhu, ezifuna ukusisebenzisa.

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Ngisanda kufika eSaxony-Anhalt, ngaphambi nje
kwengxoxo-mpikiswano. BengiseGüsten eSaxony-Anhalt.

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Inani elikhulu lamalungu nezinhlangano zasendaweni
ezivela enhlanganweni yesisekelo i-DieBasis, enentshisekelo

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kulolu hlobo lwedemokhrasi yesisekelo, zahlangana lapho.

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Futhi yilokho ngempela esikwenzile. Ngokuyisisekelo, saxoxa nje
ukuthi kungani noma ubani ekufanele akhethe inketho eyisisekelo.

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Futhi ngokumangazayo, yilokho ngempela umphumela:

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Ngoba thina esigcineni simela lolu hlobo lwedemokhrasi evela
phansi – lapho izinqumo zithathwa zisuka phansi ziye phezulu,

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hhayi zisuka phezulu ziye phansi; lapho kugxilwe ekusabalaliseni
amandla; lapho zonke izinqumo ezibalulekile

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zithathwa endaweni; futhi lapho wonke umuntu
ebamba iqhaza kuzo zonke izinqumo zezombusazwe.

16:43.897 --> 16:47.076
Lokho empeleni yisici esiyingqayizivele
sokuthengisa kwesisekelo. Futhi sifuna ukukudlulisa lokhu

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ngokuzethemba okwengeziwe emhlabeni wangaphandle.

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Ngakho-ke ngqo lo mbono, okungukuthi: izinqumo
zenziwa ezingeni eliphansi, hhayi ezingeni eliphezulu.

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Asidingi ihhovisi elikhulu ukwenza izinqumo
zethu; kunalokho zonke izinqumo ezibalulekile

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ezithinta izimpilo zethu zenziwa lapha endaweni.

17:01.554 --> 17:07.915
Futhi-ke, ngokomgomo, uma unendawo enkulu yomhlaba
nokunye, izinqumo zasendaweni nazo zingathathwa ngokubambisana,

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ukuze kutholakale izinqumo ezifanele wonke umuntu.

17:10.140 --> 17:17.693
Yebo, kuyathakazelisa kakhulu, ngoba uhlale uzwa
abantu besho ukuthi labo abaphezulu benza noma yini

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abayifunayo kithi futhi asikwazi ukwenza lutho ngalokho.

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Kumele bamukele konke lokho, njengemvula neqhwa.

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Ibhuleki lesikweletu liyakhululwa futhi
izwe lethu lisehla ngokungenamkhawulo.

17:29.944 --> 17:34.020
Kodwa kuyathakazelisa ngempela
ukuthi sekutholakale indlela ekugcineni.

17:34.020 --> 17:41.443
Yini engingayenza manje, isibonelo, ngabe
ngingazibandakanya kuphi uma ngingathanda, njengoba utshilo,

17:41.443 --> 17:45.955
ukubuyisa amandla empeleni angawami? Yini engingayenza?

17:45.955 --> 17:56.791
Kulungile, okokuqala nje, kwanele
nje ukuqala iqembu endaweni yakho.

17:56.791 --> 17:59.143
Noma akudingeki kube yiqembu; siyibiza ngokuthi iseli.

17:59.143 --> 18:06.913
Ngakho hlangana nabangane endaweni yakho –
kungcono endaweni yakho – hlanganani nabantu.

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Futhi funda incwadi kaRainer Mausfeld
ethi "Kungani izimvu zithule?" isibonelo.

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Ngoba uRainer Mausfeld uhlaziyile kahle kakhulu kule ncwadi
ukuthi isakhiwo sethu sezepolitiki sisebenza kanjani ngempela,

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kungani singenalo ilungelo lokukhuluma, kungani
sinedemokhrasi yommeli engenalutho oluhambisana nendemokhrasi

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futhi engasivumeli ukuthi senze izinqumo zethu siqu.

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Yini injongo? Uthi mnu. Mausfeld?

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Hhayi-ke, uMnu. Mausfeld usho ukuthi lokhu, ekusungulweni
kwe-United States of America, cishe kuyimthethosisekelo

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yokuqala, imthethosisekelo yokuqala yedemokhrasi.

18:37.736 --> 18:40.435
Kulungile, kunempikiswano ngalokho;
umthethosisekelo wasePoland wawusheshile.

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Kodwa umthethosisekelo wokuqala omkhulu
wedemokhrasi kwakuyiMthethosisekelo waseMelika.

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Futhi oBaba Abasunguli baseMelika
empeleni baxabana ngalokhu ngaleso sikhathi:

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Sifuna yini ukwethula idemokhrasi eqondile, lapho
sibandakanya abantu ekuthatheni izinqumo, noma

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sifuna idemokhrasi yamele – okuyiphikisana ngokwayo.

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Idemokhrasi yommeli – into ingaba yommeli noma
yidemokhrasi – ngakho-ke idemokhrasi yommeli,

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uma uyicabangela ngokucophelela, iyiphikisana.

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi kwavela ukuqonda ukuthi uma besinamandla
angempela okuthatha izinqumo ngokwezombusazwe kusukela phansi,

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ingcebo yabacebile yayingaba sengozini, ngoba
abampofu bengase banqume ngokwezombusazwe ukuthi

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imali noma izimpahla zihlukaniswe ngendlela ehlukile.

19:24.207 --> 19:26.022
Ngakho-ke, impela kwakuyisinqumo
esisekelwe ngokuphelele kwezomnotho.

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Kwathi-ke sacabanga ukuthi singasibiza kanjani isimo
sobuDemokhrasi, kodwa silakhe ngendlela engesiyo iDemokhrasi.

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Futhi yilona umbuso wabamele esinawo manje.

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Ngakho-ke, njengoba ngishilo, lokho okushilo
manje, indlela abantu abakuzwa ngayo, empeleni kunjalo.

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Labo abaphezulu benza okuthile futhi asikwazi ukunquma lutho.

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Lomuzwa awukho ubuqili, kodwa kunjalo nje:
sakha isiphambano sethu, bese sekuphelile.

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Futhi yilokho nje, asazi lutho nhlobo!

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Ngakho-ke noma ubani owayevotela i-CDU manje cishe wayengalindele
ukuthi bazophela benepholisi eliluhlaza kakhulu kunangaphambilini

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neqembu lamaGreens, ababavotele ukuba baphume esikhundleni.

20:02.900 --> 20:04.809
Lokho kungenzeka ukuthi kwakungeyikho abantu ababekufuna.

20:04.809 --> 20:09.755
Angazi, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi abazange bafune,
ngaphandle kwalokho babe bevotele amaGreens hhayi i-CDU.

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Kodwa abakwazi ukwenza lutho. Manje bazohlala
khona iminyaka emine, bese abantu becabanga,

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kulungile, ngesikhathi esizayo sizobabonisa.

20:14.965 --> 20:17.489
Kodwa asivoti i-CDU kulokhu, sivota i-SPD.

20:17.489 --> 20:20.528
Yilokho esihlala sikuhlangabezana
nakho. Futhi-ke akukho okushintshayo futhi.

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Bese bemangala ngokuphelele ukuthi lapho
abanye befika, akukho okushintshayo futhi.

20:24.169 --> 20:29.106
Ngoba asikwazi ukuthonya izinqumo zezepolitiki zomuntu ngamunye.

20:29.106 --> 20:34.122
Futhi singakwenza lokho ngokomthetho ngaphansi
kwemithethosisekelo yezifundazwe, kodwa asikwenzi.

20:34.122 --> 20:37.892
URainer Mausfeld uthi kanjalo. Bafana
nabaculi bokukhohlisa abemi phambi kwayo.

20:37.892 --> 20:42.625
Lezi zicabha zikhona, kanti abakhohlisi
bamehlelo nabathakathi bemi phambi kwazo, bazifihla

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kithi ngempumelelo, noma singazihamba ngazo.

20:45.512 --> 20:52.592
Futhi idemokhrasi yemele ingachazwa njenge-oligariki yabaphambili,
i-oligariki yokhetho, i-aristokhrasi, noma yini oyithandayo.

20:52.592 --> 21:00.473
Ngoba sivunyelwe ukukhetha kwabanye abahamba
phambili abazobusayo iminyaka emine ezayo.

21:00.473 --> 21:03.083
Kodwa empeleni asinalo ikhetho lokushintsha lutho.

21:03.083 --> 21:07.122
Singakwenza lokho kuphela uma singakwazi
ukungenelela ezinqumweni zezepolitiki zomuntu ngamunye.

21:07.122 --> 21:10.489
Futhi izithiyo ziphezulu kakhulu.
Yilokho esingakwazi ukukwenza okwamanje.

21:10.489 --> 21:12.408
Futhi umqondo wenkululeko uqala ngenombolo engu-1.

21:12.408 --> 21:18.377
Ngakho-ke, mayelana naleli phrojekthi engiyisungule eBerlin,
kumele kushiwo ukuthi sidinga ukubeka igunya lokuthatha

21:18.377 --> 21:24.217
izinqumo, ikakhulukazi igunya lokugcina lokuthatha
izinqumo ngezindaba zezepolitiki ngazinye, ezandleni zabantu.

21:24.217 --> 21:27.090
Kumele sinqume: sifuna yini ukukhulula umkhawulo wezikweletu?

21:27.090 --> 21:30.372
Kumele sinqume ukuthi uhlelo lwethu lwezemfundo lwakhiwe kanjani.

21:30.372 --> 21:34.180
Kumele sinqume ukuthi uhlelo
lwethu lobulungiswa lwakhiwe kanjani.

21:34.180 --> 21:39.106
Kumele sinqume ukuthi sifuna
kanjani amandla ethu nokunye nokunye.

21:39.106 --> 21:40.770
Singazenza zonke lezi zinqumo thina uqobo.

21:40.770 --> 21:49.856
Futhi ngiyaqhubeka ngithi akekho umuntu ongathatha
isinqumo esibi kunesazi noma kunoma ubani obekwe njengesazi.

21:49.856 --> 21:52.278
Bamukelekile ukunikeza izeluleko
nokwethula umbono wabo ngalolu daba.

21:52.278 --> 21:55.876
Kodwa kimi, ngikholwa ukuthi ngikwazi
ngokuphelele ukwenza izinqumo zami, futhi ngithemba

21:55.876 --> 21:57.760
wonke umuntu eJalimane ukuthi enze okufanayo.

21:57.760 --> 22:03.523
Ngakho-ke, uma kubhekwa izinqubomgomo
zeminyaka yakamuva, kufanele kube sobala kubo bonke

22:03.523 --> 22:09.239
ukuthi babeyokwenza umsebenzi ongcono bona uqobo.

22:09.239 --> 22:18.473
Yebo, ngingase ngiqale ngokusetha iselula
endaweni yami bese ngithatha umzamo lapho.

22:18.473 --> 22:23.567
Kodwa ngingathola kuphi izikhuthazo,
isibonelo, noma ngithole iminikelo?

22:23.567 --> 22:28.434
Ingabe ikhona iwebhusayithi lapho umuntu
angafunda khona kabanzi ngalokhu? Ungasinika icebiso?

22:28.434 --> 22:37.622
Ngakho-ke isayithi alikakayatholakali ku-inthanethi
okwamanje, kodwa "freiheit-beginnt-mit-nein.de" ikhona.

22:37.622 --> 22:40.137
Njengoba kubhalwe lapha: Inkululeko iqala ngokuthi cha.

22:40.137 --> 22:46.153
Leli khasi lingase libe ku-inthanethi
ngesikhathi lokhu kuxoxwa sekushicilelwe.

22:46.153 --> 22:51.040
Njengamanje sisemazingeni wokugcina
wokuyiqedela. Ulwazi luzotholakala ngaleso sikhathi.

22:51.040 --> 22:55.262
Kodwa umqondo ukhona, futhi kuzoba nethuba lokuxhumana.

22:55.262 --> 23:00.616
Kodwa inketho yokuxhumana izohlelwa ngendlela
yokuthi kuzodingeka ukuthi uxhumane ngendlela ye-analogue.

23:00.616 --> 23:05.601
Futhi lokho kungaphinde kukhiqizwe ngokwedijithali.
Ngakho-ke asifuni abantu baxhumane ngokwedijithali.

23:05.601 --> 23:10.215
Ukuze abantu, njengoba manje sesikubonayo, babhalelane
ezinkundleni zokuxhumana njalo njalo, bavakalise intukuthelo

23:10.215 --> 23:12.780
yabo, babe nemibono eminingi, babhale izinto eziningi.

23:12.780 --> 23:16.679
Esikhundleni salokho, abantu
kumele baxhumane bendawo ubuso nobuso.

23:16.679 --> 23:21.902
Futhi uma behlangene ngendlela efanayo, bangakwazi
futhi ukukhombisa epothalini ukuthi siyisigaba

23:21.902 --> 23:24.106
noma iselula, sikhona lapha, sifuna ukwenza okuthile.

23:24.106 --> 23:29.866
Bangase futhi bafune usizo kwabanye,
banikeze usizo kwabanye, njalo njalo.

23:29.866 --> 23:32.007
Kodwa thina sigxile kakhulu kunethiwekhi ye-analog.

23:32.007 --> 23:43.363
Sifuna abantu baxhumane bendawo, baqale ukuxoxa ngokubambisana
futhi bagcine lo mbono engqondweni: singashintsha lomphakathi

23:43.363 --> 23:48.376
ekugcineni ngokuqoqa iziginesha ezanele zale referendamu.

23:48.376 --> 23:53.224
Ngoba lesi sigaba sesibili sinzima kakhulu;
ukuthola iziginesha eziyi-200,000 kunzima

23:53.224 --> 23:56.336
kakhulu. E-Saxony, kuyiziginesha eziyi-450,000.

23:56.336 --> 23:59.368
Kodwa singakwenza uma abantu
besebenzisa inethiwekhi ngaphambi kwesikhathi.

23:59.368 --> 24:01.516
Futhi kufanele baxoxe ngezombusazwe komunye nomunye.

24:01.516 --> 24:07.664
Kodwa kufanele futhi bafunde indlela yokudala isikhala
sokuxoxisana – lokhu nakho okukhulunywe ngakho uRainer

24:07.664 --> 24:14.626
Mausfeld – lapho bengaxoxa ngezindaba ngokusobala, ngokulingana
nangokudemokhrasi, ngisho nemibono egcizeleleyo ivunyelwe.

24:14.626 --> 24:22.001
Akufanele kube nama-firewall. Imibono eqinile ibalulekile
ekwakheni imibono emdemokhrasini. Imibono eqinile ayikaze inqobe.

24:22.001 --> 24:26.399
Kodwa kuyadingeka ukuze kutholakale umbono omuhle
womphakathi, isithombe esihle sokuhlukahluka komphakathi,

24:26.399 --> 24:29.243
kungakhathaliseki ukuthi umphakathi mkhulu kangakanani.

24:29.243 --> 24:35.033
Futhi yilokho abantu abakufundayo. Umqondo
wethu ukuthi baqale ukuxoxa ngezinto komunye

24:35.033 --> 24:38.060
nomunye ngale ndlela, ukuze baqonde ngale ndlela:

24:38.060 --> 24:41.579
Singenza kanjani izinqumo abantu bonke abangazisekela ngempela?

24:41.579 --> 24:45.149
Futhi uma singakwenza ngosayizi omncane,
khona-ke singakwenza nangosayizi omkhulu.

24:45.149 --> 24:54.656
Yebo, kahle, uma ngiqonda kahle, kubalulekile kuyo yonke inqubo
ukufunda ukukhuluma futhi komunye nomunye, ukufunda ukubekezelela

24:54.656 --> 25:02.690
imibono yabanye, ukufunda ukusebenza ndawonye ukuze kufinyelelwe
umgomo ofanayo, futhi nokuzimisela ukuthatha

25:02.690 --> 25:09.485
umthwalo wemfanelo, ukuzimisela ukwenza
izinqumo, ukubhekana nezinselelo nokunye okunjalo.

25:09.485 --> 25:12.810
Kodwa lokho akusho ukudlulisela lokhu
kubaholi bezepolitiki abenza noma yini abayifunayo

25:12.810 --> 25:14.534
ngawe, kodwa kunalokho kusho ukuphinda uthi:

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Ngempela ngiyazithemba, ngithatha
umthwalo wami ngibuyisele ezandleni zami.

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Okubaluleke kakhulu yiphuzu elibaluleke kakhulu.

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Uthe enkulumweni yakho ukuthi awufakanga iphuzu
elibaluleke kakhulu, noma ngempela iphuzu

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elibaluleke kakhulu kimi, ohlwini lwakho lwamaphuzu.

25:32.214 --> 25:35.507
Nakanjani wawucabanga ngalokho, kodwa awuzange
ukusho, okungukuthi: Okubaluleke kakhulu akusikho

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ukukhuluma komunye nomunye, kodwa ukulalela komunye nomunye.

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Sikhuluma kaningi kakhulu. Isibonelo, lapho sibuka lezi
zinhlelo zokuxoxa ezitholakala yonke indawo kumabonakude, abantu

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abaningi bayakhuluma. Kodwa akekho olalela omunye nomunye.

25:45.309 --> 25:51.382
Futhi uhlelo esiluphakamisayo, okungukuthi siphakamisa indlela
ethile yokuthi amaseli athole izinqumo

25:51.382 --> 25:57.542
ndawonye, ngokusebenzisa ukwakhiwa kwesivumelwano
sonke, empeleni kumayelana nokulalelana okokuqala.

25:57.542 --> 26:02.972
Wonke umuntu unethuba elifanayo lokuziveza, futhi
akekho ovunyelwe ukugxeka abanye ngalokho abakushoyo.

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Kunalokho, isitatimende siqhubeka sisebenza. Ngakho-ke sibuza
umbuzo, sifuna ukuxazulula inkinga, bese kuba nezimpendulo zayo.

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Futhi wonke umuntu uvunyelwe ukunikeza impendulo yakhe,
futhi akekho ovunyelwe ukugxeka impendulo yomunye umuntu.

26:11.881 --> 26:16.191
Futhi lapho sesibuza kamuva,
ukumelana kwakho kuqinile kangakanani?

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Ngakho uzizwa kanjani ngaphakathi uma uthi leyo
yimpendulo efanele kulo mbuzo? Uzizwa kanjani-ke?

26:21.584 --> 26:25.289
Futhi yingakho bethi inkululeko iqala
ngokuthi cha. Ngoba uma ngizwa ukuthi okuthile

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akulungile kimina, kufanele ngikwazi ukusho cha.

26:27.475 --> 26:30.217
Kumele ngisho, angifuni lokho –
njengokugonywa kwe-coronavirus noma ukugqoka imaski.

26:30.217 --> 26:33.695
Uma ngiqaphela ukuthi angikufuni lokho, kumele
ngikwazi ukusho cha. Ngoba yilokho inkululeko.

26:33.695 --> 26:37.220
Inkululeko wukuthi ungakwazi ukusho: Cha,
angikufuni lokho. Kuthinta mina kuphela.

26:37.220 --> 26:40.678
Futhi inkululeko ihlale iqala
ngokuthi cha. Yingakho ibizwa kanjalo.

26:40.678 --> 26:46.377
Ngoba noma nini lapho ngithi "misa", ngizwa ukumelana lapha,
kwakhiwa umbono weqembu, futhi ngiyabona ukuthi angikufuni lokho,

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ngakho-ke ngithi: Misa, cha, angizizwa ngikhululekile ngalokho!

26:49.677 --> 26:51.999
Kanti-ke iqembu liyalalela! Kanti-ke iqembu liyaqaphela:

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Kulungile, lowo muntu ubuhlungu, ngakho
mhlawumbe sidinga ukushintsha isinqumo

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sethu kancane ukuze ubuhlungu bakhe bushiywe.

26:57.840 --> 27:03.764
Futhi ngokuzumayo uthola isixazululo esamukelwa yizo
zonke izingxenye zeqembu, yeseli noma somphakathi.

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Ekugcineni, ilungelo lokuvetha alihlukile. Sihlala
sithola izixazululo ezamukelekayo kulabo abathintekayo.

27:11.124 --> 27:15.280
Ngoba silalela 'cha' yomuntu wonke
othi, 'Angikhululekile ngalokho.'

27:15.280 --> 27:20.006
Yilokho umqondo ongemuva kwalokho. Futhi noma ubani angakwenza.

27:20.006 --> 27:22.180
Kodwa ungakwenza lokho wena wedwa kuphela.

27:22.180 --> 27:26.074
Asikwazi ukuhlela noma ukudlulisela lokhu
nganoma iyiphi indlela, kodwa singakukhuthaza kuphela.

27:26.074 --> 27:30.569
Futhi abantu benza lokho. Futhi
singakwazi ukukwenza lokho emphakathini futhi.

27:30.569 --> 27:39.538
Yebo. Uthe asinayo i-demokhrasi
yangempela ngoba sine-demokhrasi yamele.

27:39.538 --> 27:48.127
Manje nawe uphinde waphawula ekupheleni kwengxoxo ukuthi
kwakukhona nezinkinga kulezi zikhetho, ukuthi

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azizange ziqhutshwe ngendlela yedemokhrasi.
Kubonakala sengathi kwaba nokuphathwa ngobuqili.

27:56.897 --> 28:03.976
Okokuqala, ngabe ungachazela mina nababukeli futhi okwesikhathi
esisodwa ukuthi yini esivele yavela obala noma eyaziwayo,

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nokuthi lokhu kungalwiswa kanjani esikhathini esizayo?

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Ngakho-ke, okokuqala, isenzo esisodwa kuphela
umbusi anikwe imvume ukusenza eJalimane yi (ukhetho).

28:15.816 --> 28:19.487
Ngathi ngaphambilini ukuthi, ngokombono wami, akayena
umbusi ophethe, ngoba akavunyelwe ukushintsha imithetho.

28:19.487 --> 28:26.121
Kodwa kunjalo: isenzo esisodwa kuphela umbusi
avunyelwe ukusenza wukuvota, okusho ukuthi ukumaka ibhokisi.

28:26.121 --> 28:32.437
Futhi lokho kusho ukuthi kufanele-ke
kuqinisekiswe ukuthi okungenani lesi senzo sikamongameli

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ngempela sibonisa lokho okwakuwumqondo wangempela.

28:35.925 --> 28:39.920
Lokho kusho ukuthi kufanele ngempela
sicabange, kahle, sisemajamu, futhi iJamu

28:39.920 --> 28:43.269
liyidemokhrasi futhi liyizwe elisekelwe kumthethosisekelo.

28:43.269 --> 28:48.519
Futhi eJalimane, lolu hlelo
lokhetho luzoqhubeka ngendlela ehlelekile.

28:48.519 --> 28:51.363
Asidingi nhlobo ukukhuluma ngokudlala ngabantu.

28:51.363 --> 28:56.254
Okokuqala, singakhuluma ngokuthi
akukho hlaka nhlobo ukuze isebenze kahle.

28:56.254 --> 29:02.184
Lapho uMphathi Wokubuyisela Wefederal ememezela
umphumela osemthethweni wesikhashana wokugcina kusihlwa,

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akanalo ulwazi lokuthi zingaki izifunda zokhetho eJalimane.

29:05.871 --> 29:12.097
Akakwazi lokho. Kubikiwe. Kodwa kumele amukele noma yiziphi
izibiko ezifika, kodwa akakwazi lokho. Akanalo ukuqonda okubanzi.

29:12.097 --> 29:19.675
Ngakho-ke uma umbuza ngosuku olwandulela ukhetho ukuthi abantu
bazovota emaphi izifunda zokhetho kusasa, akanakusho ngoba akazi.

29:19.675 --> 29:27.573
Ngakho-ke kunezifunda zokhetho eziningana ezibizwa ngo-X,
futhi akekho owaziyo ukuthi zikuphi ngaphambi kokhetho.

29:27.573 --> 29:30.355
Ayikho irekhodi eliphakathi lamaphondo okuvota.

29:30.355 --> 29:36.241
Ngakho-ke ungawahlola kanjani imiphumela uma
ungazi nokuthi abantu bavota kuphi, bangaki abantu

29:36.241 --> 29:40.260
abavotayo, noma bavota kanjani? Akekho owaziyo.

29:40.260 --> 29:45.401
Lokho kusho ukuthi sasungula inhlangano
ebizwa nge-WABEO, emele ukubhekwa kokhetho.

29:45.401 --> 29:50.253
Empeleni kwakumele yethulwe ngoSepthemba, ngesikhathi sokhetho
lukazwelonke olwaluhleliwe, kwathi-ke

29:50.253 --> 29:55.234
kwadingeka ukuthi yakhiwe kabusha kusukela ekuqaleni
phakathi nezinyanga ezintathu yilabo abayenzile.

29:55.234 --> 29:59.452
Ngikholelwa ukuthi nawe wawunengxoxo lapha
noStephanie Tsomakaeva, owamisa konke lokhu kusuka ekuqaleni.

29:59.452 --> 30:06.733
Ngakho-ke, owesifazane omuhle kakhulu futhi
oqinile, osebenze kanzima kakhulu ukuze izinto zisebenze.

30:06.733 --> 30:14.530
Abantu babhalisile, ngakho wawazi ukuthi bangabantu bangempela,
hhayi ama-zombie ezinkundla zokuxhumana noma ama-bots noma

30:14.530 --> 30:22.460
yini enjalo, kodwa abantu bangempela – okwakudingeka babhalise
futhi ukubhaliswa kwabo kuqinisekiswe – babebheka ukhetho.

30:22.460 --> 30:27.421
Kwakukhona abantu abayi-3,700 ababehambela – okungakaze kwenzeke
ngaphambilini emlandweni weRiphabhulikhi Yezwe LaseJalimane

30:27.421 --> 30:30.171
– ukuze babone ukuthi ukhetho lwenziwa kanjani ngempela.

30:30.171 --> 30:33.696
Futhi manje kunezimiso ezithile
okufanele zilandelwe lapho kuvotwa.

30:33.696 --> 30:40.660
Isibonelo, ukuthi isiteshi sokuvota sivulekile kusukela ngo-8
ekuseni kuya ku-6 ntambama, ukuthi ukhetho luyimfihlo, ukuthi

30:40.660 --> 30:46.945
akukho ukukhangisa kokhetho ngaphakathi noma eduze kwesiteshi
sokuvota, noma ukuthi abantu abanakwaziswa ukuthi

30:46.945 --> 30:53.453
bavote bani esiteshini sokuvota, noma ukuthi akekho
omunye umuntu ovunyelwe ukungena ebhuthini lokuvota.

30:53.453 --> 30:58.220
Noma kamuva, kuvala ngo-6 ntambama, futhi
amavoti awabaliwe ngaphambi kwesithupha ntambama.

30:58.220 --> 31:01.314
Abantu bavunyelwe ukuba khona nokubuka yonke inqubo.

31:01.314 --> 31:04.423
Futhi ngemva kwalokho, lapho amavoti ebaliwa,
abantu bayavunyelwa ukuba khona futhi babuke.

31:04.423 --> 31:07.111
Buka ngendlela yokuthi babone okwenzekayo.

31:07.111 --> 31:11.594
Futhi lapho wonke amavoti eseqoshiwe,
ikomidi lokhetho leso sifunda sokhetho kumele

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limemezele imiphumela yokhetho ngokuzwakalayo.

31:14.158 --> 31:20.559
Kumele amemezele imiphumela yokhetho esiteshini sakhe sokuvota
ukuze umphakathi wazi ukuthi le yimiphumela

31:20.559 --> 31:27.306
yokhetho, engiyibika-ke kumbusi ophakeme olandelayo,
ngokuvamile umphathi wokubuyisela imiphumela yesifunda.

31:27.306 --> 31:28.673
Futhi kwaba nokungajwayelekile.

31:28.673 --> 31:30.640
Kuyiqiniso. Futhi manje nansi iphuzu.

31:30.640 --> 31:32.830
Manje sekunezinto eziningi ezingajwayelekile.

31:32.830 --> 31:36.305
Le yimigomo eyisisekelo yokhetho, ukhetho lwedemokhrasi.

31:36.305 --> 31:44.033
Nansi-ke. Okokuqala, kumele sithi sithole
impendulo eningi kakhulu, okujabulisa kakhulu.

31:44.033 --> 31:48.305
Futhi singasho ukuthi ku-80% yemibuyekezo, konke kuhambile kahle.

31:48.305 --> 31:55.931
Ezifundeni zokhetho ezingama-80%, ngokwazi
kwethu okwamanje, ukhetho luhambe ngendlela efanele.

31:55.931 --> 32:01.640
Ngakho-ke yonke imithetho eyisisekelo, izimiso kanye nezimiso
zokhetho kwagcinwa. Ezimweni ezingama-20%, lokhu akwenzekanga.

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Ezimweni ezingama-20%, bavala iziteshi zokuvota ngo-5:30
ntambama, bakhishile ababukeli bokhetho ngoba bengafuni babe

32:08.832 --> 32:12.853
khona, futhi bababeka ababukeli bokhetho kumamitha angu-20 kude.

32:12.853 --> 32:17.351
Ezinye zalezi ziteshi zokuvota empeleni amajimu.

32:17.351 --> 32:20.211
Bese bathuthelwa nje imitha ezingamashumi
amabili kude kakhudlwana, lapho impela ungakwazi

32:20.211 --> 32:22.533
nhlobo ukubona okwenzeka esiphulwini ngasinye.

32:22.533 --> 32:26.072
Kwezinye izimo, abazange bamemezele
imiphumela yokhetho ngokuzwakalayo.

32:26.072 --> 32:30.840
Yebo, izinto eziningi zenzeke lapho
okwakungafanele zivunyelwe ukwenzeka.

32:30.840 --> 32:39.137
Futhi uma manje sicabanga ukuthi inhlangano kaSahra Wagenknecht
ishoda ngamavoti angu-9 000 kuphela ukuze ingene eBundestag,

32:39.137 --> 32:46.297
manje, ngokomqondo, kulawa, okusho ukuthi sekuphelele,
inani esinalo manje esibikiwe limaphakathi nezifunda

32:46.297 --> 32:50.533
zokhetho ezingama-300 lapho lezi ziphoso zenzeke khona.

32:50.533 --> 32:55.986
300, njengoba sesibike, izifunda
zokhetho ezingama-300 zineziphazamiso.

32:55.986 --> 33:03.945
Futhi asazi zonke izinombolo zabavoti kulezi zifunda zokhetho,
kodwa kulabo esiwaziyo, kunezivoti ezingama-99,000 kuphela lapho

33:03.945 --> 33:10.777
lezi zingalungile zazingekho ngendlela yokuthi, ngokomgomo,
singakuqinisekisi ukuthi imiphumela eyadluliselwa

33:10.777 --> 33:18.884
iyimiphumela eyavotwa ngempela, ngoba, njengoba ngishilo,
Umphumela wokhetho awukaziswanga nhlobo kulesi sifunda sokhetho.

33:18.884 --> 33:26.058
Lokho kusho ukuthi sinama-99,000, okungenani ama-99,000
wamavoti; uma ukala kanjalo – sibheke kuphela izifunda

33:26.058 --> 33:29.108
zokhetho eziyi-3,000, kanti zizonke cishe zingama-90,000.

33:29.108 --> 33:33.790
Uma ukwandisa lokho, ungabona isikali esikhuluma ngaso lapha.

33:33.790 --> 33:37.640
Akudingeki kube nokudlala ngabomvu, akekho
okufanele abe enqikazile noma enze okunye okunjalo.

33:37.640 --> 33:42.949
Kodwa ngokomgomo, asinayo indlela yokuqinisekisa
ukuthi lokho okufika ehhovisi loMphathi Wokubuyisela

33:42.949 --> 33:47.337
Kwezwe ebusuku ngempela kuyumphumela owawunqunywe endaweni.

33:47.337 --> 33:51.220
Futhi akukho ukubalwa kabusha kwamavoti noma yini
enjalo. Ngakho-ke, ngokomqondo, umdlalo omkhulu welotho.

33:51.220 --> 33:55.340
Ngakho-ke asazi ukuthi inhlangano kaSahra
Wagenknecht inephesenti elingu-5 noma cha.

33:55.340 --> 33:59.628
Ngicabanga ukuthi banezihlalo ezingu-5%,
kodwa akwenzeki ukuqinisekisa ngoba isakhiwo

33:59.628 --> 34:02.558
uqobo sisho ukuthi akuyona ukhetho lwedemokhrasi.

34:02.558 --> 34:09.176
Futhi uma, isibonelo, umphumela wokhetho awukakashicilelwa,
singazi kanjani ukuthi umphumela owatholakala kamuva

34:09.176 --> 34:15.996
ulungile, noma ukuthi kukhona umuntu osewongeze amaphepha
okuvota ambalwa noma asuse amanye, noma okuthile okunye?

34:15.996 --> 34:19.108
Asazi, ngoba izinto zifakwa emakhwameni.

34:19.108 --> 34:24.333
Ngokungeziwe, iphuzu elilandelayo wukuthi amanye amaphepha
okuvota awazange afakwe ezikhwameni ezivaliwe ngendlela efanele,

34:24.333 --> 34:28.283
njengoba kudingeka, kodwa afakwe nje ezikhwameni
ezivaliwe ngamabhande werabha, okusho ukuthi

34:28.283 --> 34:31.138
angavulwa futhi ashintshwe nganoma yisiphi isikhathi.

34:31.138 --> 34:34.305
Ungalokothi ucabange ukuthi
bayakwenza. Kodwa kungenzeka ukuthi bayakwenza.

34:34.305 --> 34:41.322
Futhi asikwazi, ekukhethweni kwedemokhrasi, ngisho
nokudala umbono wokuthi lokho okwenzekile akulungile.

34:41.322 --> 34:46.543
Ikakhulukazi njengoba ngishilo, sinomahluko
wama-euro ayi-9,000 kuphela kuSahra Wagenknecht.

34:46.543 --> 34:47.478
Amavoti angu-9,000!

34:47.478 --> 34:50.000
Izivoti eziyi-9,000, ngqo. Umehluko wezivoti eziyi-9,000.

34:50.000 --> 34:56.546
Futhi yilokho ngempela. Lokho kusho ukuthi
ukhetho lwethu, angazi ukuthi ngingakubeka

34:56.546 --> 35:00.080
kanjani, kodwa ngokuqinisekile aluyona idemokhrasi.

35:00.080 --> 35:05.760
Abazinzile, abaqondakali, abacacile.

35:05.760 --> 35:10.869
Ngokwezinga elikhulu kangaka ukuthi
ngempela, ngempela lihambisana nomsebenzi oyinhloko.

35:10.869 --> 35:17.767
Futhi lokhu manje sekusunguliwe okokuqala
ngenxa yokuqapha okucophelela kokhetho yi-WABEO.

35:17.767 --> 35:23.463
Futhi ngabe ngingenza olunye uxhumano?
Besikhuluma ngama-referendamu ngaphambilini.

35:23.463 --> 35:31.306
Kodwa uma manje sesazi ukuthi lezi zivotelo zomphakathi
ziqhutshwa njengezokhetho, futhi sesazi ukuthi imiphumela

35:31.306 --> 35:38.178
ayinqunywa ngenqubo efanele, nokuthi sibhekene
neziningi ezibucayi kakhulu lapha – ngombuzo wokuthi

35:38.178 --> 35:42.159
ngabe siyawuguqula umthethosisekelo noma cha – khona-ke

35:42.159 --> 35:44.503
Ngempela, bekuyoba umbuzo wami.

35:44.503 --> 35:48.354
Yebo, lowo mbuzo owodwa. Ngakho-ke, ukuze silungise
umthethosisekelo, sidinga inani elidingekayo labahlanganyeli.

35:48.354 --> 35:52.549
Okusho ukuthi, inani elithile labantu
abayizakhamuzi ngempela ababamba iqhaza kulokhu kuvota.

35:52.549 --> 35:56.471
Futhi-ke kumele kube nenani elithile
elikhulu phakathi kwabaningi babahlanganyeli.

35:56.471 --> 36:02.786
Ngakho-ke, uma nje wehlisa i-quorum kancane ngale ndlela – okusho
ukuthi ngokomqondo sinobuningi obungu-2/3 bokuvumela isichibiyelo

36:02.786 --> 36:08.764
somthethosisekelo, kodwa uthi, yebo, kodwa ngeshwa kuphela
amaphesenti angu-39.8 abantu abavotile, hhayi amaphesenti angu-40

36:08.764 --> 36:12.049
– khona-ke lesi sichibiyelo somthethosisekelo siyehlulekile.

36:12.049 --> 36:19.018
Yebo, futhi asikwazi ukukulawula uma imiphumela yokhetho, inani
labavoti nokunye okunjalo Ngamanye amazwi, umphumela kulesi

36:19.018 --> 36:25.653
sikhungo sokuvota awumemezelwa obala, futhi sinomuntu oyedwa
okungenani ohlala esikhungweni ngasinye sokuvota noma esifundeni

36:25.653 --> 36:31.544
ngasinye sokhetho olalela, olubhala phansi, bese esinika
umphumela ukuze siwuhlolisise; umphumela oqinisekisiwe

36:31.544 --> 36:35.604
ekugcineni uwumphumela abawumemezele ezindaweni zokuvota.

36:35.604 --> 36:40.198
Ngakho-ke, ukuze sithole indlela
yethu eya edemokhrasini eqondile.

36:40.198 --> 36:48.339
Ukuze sicabangele ngisho nokushintsha
imithethosisekelo kazwelonke, kumele siqinisekise

36:48.339 --> 36:52.495
ukuthi siyabamba iqhaza ekuqapheni ukhetho.

36:52.495 --> 36:56.456
Ngakho-ke, uma ngiqonda kahle,
ababheki bokhetho bayadingeka yonke indawo.

36:56.456 --> 36:58.317
Yebo, wangibuza ngaphambilini ukuthi ngingakwenza ini.

36:58.317 --> 37:06.409
Ngaphandle kokusetha leli seli, okudinga umzamo omkhulu,
ngempela ngincoma ukuvakashela iwebhusayithi wabeo.de.

37:06.409 --> 37:09.666
Ngonyaka ozayo, ngikholelwa ukuthi kuzoba
nokhetho lukahulumeni eBaden-Württemberg,

37:09.666 --> 37:11.851
eMecklenburg-Western Pomerania naseSaxony-Anhalt.

37:11.851 --> 37:19.616
Lokhu kukhethwa kuzobhekwa ezweni lonke okokuqala.

37:19.616 --> 37:24.893
Ungabhalisa lapho, uqinisekise
ubunikazi bakho, futhi kubiza £6.50.

37:24.893 --> 37:28.814
Ama-euro angu-6.50 ngoba kunenqubo
yokuqinisekisa, ekhathazayo kakhulu, kodwa ikwenza

37:28.814 --> 37:32.323
kucace ukuthi kunomuntu wangempela ngemuva kwayo.

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Futhi-ke singakwazi ngempela ukuhlola konke ngokubanzi:

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Ingabe lokho okumenyezelwa ekugcineni ngempela
kuyumphumela owavela eziteshini zokuvota, noma

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ezifundeni zokhetho? Futhi lokho kuyajabulisa kakhulu.

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Futhi lokhu kungase kungabi njalo – umlawuli wesifunda,
ongumongameli wedolobha laseSpeyer, owabhalelwa ngumhloli

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wokhetho – kufanele ngikhulume ngalokhu lapha njengolwazi
oluncane... Empeleni, akuyona into encane nje, kodwa

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kuyadabukisa kakhulu – wabhala ekhalaza ngokuthi
waphathwa kanjani njengomhloli wokhetho esiteshini sokuvota.

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Kanti-ke lo meya waseSpeyer, esikhundleni sakhe njengomphathi
wokubuyisela khetho wesifunda, wabhalela impendulo wathi,

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ngokombono wakhe, kubi kakhulu ukuthi abantu beze babuke ukhetho.

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Ngoba lokho kungasho ukuthi ukhetho alwenziwa
ngendlela efanele, ngaleyo ndlela kuyaphikisa

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ubufakazi bendemokhrasi yethu. Zicabange nje.

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Ubunjalo bokuvuleka kokhetho emphakathini
bungesinye sezimiso eziyisisekelo zokhetho ezibekwe

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emthethweni wethu wokhetho nasemigomeni yokhetho.

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Kwathi-ke umphathi wokubuyisa imiphumela wesifunda onekhono
wavela wathi, ngokombono wakhe, ukuthi umuntu ofuna ukubuka

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ukhetho, ofuna ukuqinisekisa ukuthi lokho okwenzeka
lapha njengesenzo sobukhosi, njengesenzo sobukhosi esisodwa

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njengoba sihlala sikubiza, kwenzeka ngendlela efanele.

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Lokho kungabonakala sengathi
abakwethembi, nje ngoba bemile lapho.

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Futhi yilokho nje. Zicabange nje.

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Umeya unombono onjalo ngabantu abaphethe
umthwalo wokuba yena abe kulesi sikhundla ekuqaleni.

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Kuthakazelisa kakhulu. Kuhle kakhulu. Mnu
Ludwig, ngiyabonga kakhulu ngokukhuluma nathi!

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Kube ngempela ukuvulwa kwamehlo. Ngaphezu kwakho konke, manje
ungabona izinyathelo umuntu ngamunye angazithatha ngempela.

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Okokuqala, ungabamba iqhaza ekuqapheni ukhetho.

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Ngikholwa ukuthi ungaxhumana ne-WABEO.

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Khona-ke ungabona nje ukuthi ungakha
kanjani iseli noma ujoyine iseli esivele sikhona.

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Khona-ke ungakwenza nje. Inkululeko iqala ngokuthi cha.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi manje usinike izinyathelo
zokuqala zokuthi singakufeza kanjani lokhu empeleni, ukuze

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izakhamuzi zithole kabusha amandla ezandleni zazo.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngengxoxo evule amehlo ami!

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngokungivumela ukuthi ngibe lapha.