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Ina farin cikin maraba da mai shirya fina-finan
bincike Klaus Scheidsteger a Kla.tv don hira a yau.

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Mista Scheidsteger, da yawa daga cikin
masu kallo namu ba su san ka ba tukuna.

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Za ka iya gabatar da kanka a taƙaice
ka gaya mana kaɗan game da aikinka?

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Eh, zan yi matuƙar farin ciki. Na gode da
gayyatar da ka yi mini zuwa wannan hira.

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Wannan yana faruwa sosai a 'yan
kwanakin nan. Tabbas ina farin ciki.

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To, a zahiri ni ɗan jaridan talabijin ne.

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Na yi karatun jarida a Jami'ar Dortmund kuma na
kasance cikin rukunin farko a wancan lokacin.

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Wannan sabon salo a nazarina mai mayar da hankali kan
aiki ya kai ga yin horaswa bayan samun digiri na

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matsakaici, wanda na kammala a Westdeutscher Rundfunk a Cologne.

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Wannan ya kasance a lokacin da babu
masu watsa shirye-shirye masu zaman kansu.

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To, har yanzu wannan shiri ne na buƙata ga 'yan jarida.

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Kowa da ya samu kyakkyawar ra'ayi ana ba shi damar
aiwatar da shi; babu wata takura ko wani abu makamancin haka.

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Kuma lokacin ya kasance mai daɗi ƙwarai; waɗannan
shekarun ne suka gina ni, kuma na ji daɗinsu sosai.

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Ci gaba na gaba shi ne lokacin da aka amince da masu watsa
shirye-shirye masu zaman kansu. A shekarar 1984, a

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lokacin ina da shekaru 30, na kafa kamfanin samar
da fina-finai na kaina a garina na haihuwa, Essen.

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Daga nan, na samar da labaran duniya,
rahotanni da fina-finan hujja da nawa kayan aiki da

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tawagata, abin ya kasance abin nishadi sosai.

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Na ɗan lokaci, har zuwa tsakiyar
shekarun 1990, abubuwa suka fara canzawa.

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Kamar dai ana cewa, yanzu mun san abin da
masu kallo ke son gani, don haka ku daina wannan

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wautar tunani; babu wanda ke son ganin hakan.

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Bayan haka, na rage ayyukana a kamfanin na ɗan
lokaci kuma na samar da shirye-shirye ga Arte.

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Har yanzu mai watsa shirye-shirye ne mai bude tunani sosai, amma
mu ce kawai abin da na taba koya a da ya fara ɓacewa a hankali.

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Don haka kowa ya yi tunanin zai iya zama ɗan jarida.

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Kuma abin da a da ake yi a matsayin aikin haɗin
gwiwa – akwai ƙungiyar kyamara, akwai mai gyara

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– sai dole mutum ɗaya ya yi shi mataki-mataki.

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Tabbas, haka ma ya faru da dijitalizasyon na wannan titi.
Amma dangane da abun ciki, a zahiri ya kara tabarbarewa.

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Amma abin da ya fi muhimmanci, kuma har yanzu
haka yake, shi ne cewa na sami kyakkyawar ilimi.

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Tsawon kusan shekaru 20 yanzu, rahotanninku da fina-finan
hujjoji sun mayar da hankali akai-akai kan sadarwar wayar hannu.

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Ta yaya ka gane wannan fanni na
musamman a matsayin aikin rayuwarka?

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To, abin da ya faru a zahiri shi ne mutanen
da ke da matuƙar saurin jin tasirin wutar

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lantarki suka zo wurina a rayuwata ta sirri.

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Sun ce sun iya jin cewa ina ɗauke da wayar
salula. Kuma a farko na yi tunanin sun ɗan hauka ne.

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Amma a taronmu na gaba, waɗannan mutane sun ba ni littafi na wani
masanin Amurka mai suna Dr George Carlo, wanda ya taɓa gudanar da

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bincike a madadin masana'antar tsakanin 1993 da 1999, kuma ya
rubuta wannan littafi tare da wani ɗan jaridar Washington

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Post mai suna Martin Schram, inda ya bayyana abubuwan da ya
fuskanta da masana'antar – masana'antar ce abokin cinikinsa.

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Ya gano matsaloli, kuma ba a isar
da su ga jama'a yadda ya kamata ba.

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Kuma wannan George Carlo ya mai da hankali kan abubuwa biyu
a rayuwarsa, domin ya yi karatun likitanci da na shari'a.

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Kuma sun zaɓi abokin atisaye mara dacewa.

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Mutumin nan sai ya ci gaba da ƙoƙarin tsara da taimakawa wajen
gina ƙarar shari'a kan manyan kamfanonin wayar

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salula, kuma ya tura dukkan al'amari gaba bisa
ga abubuwan da bincikensa na kimiyya ya gano.

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Wato, labari ne mai ban mamaki, amma
abin mamaki babu wanda ya damu da shi.

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Sannan a hankali na fara shiga cikin
batun, wanda ya ƙunshi fannoni da dama matuƙa.

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Eh, ta hanyar fina-finanku kun kafa hulɗa da mashahuran
ƙwararru a wannan fanni. Kun ambaci George Carlo ne kawai.

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Za ka iya yin taƙaitaccen sharhi kan wannan? Waɗanne
ƙarin ƙwararru ka haɗu da su, kuma menene ra'ayoyinsu?

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Don haka, fim dina na farko, wanda aka watsa a talabijin na
Faransa a shekarar 2006, ya mayar da

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hankali kan ƙarar da ake shigarwa kan
masana'antar wayoyin salula, bisa ga binciken kimiyya.

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Kuma an ɗauke dukkan al'amarin ne ta labarin George
Carlo, wanda aka karyata shi bayan ya bayyana a bainar jama'a.

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A gaskiya, tare da muhimman bayanai na kariyar masu
amfani daga binciken kimiyya na kansa, amma masana'antu suka ba

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da kuɗi, wanda daga baya ya haifar da mummunan sakamako.

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Kuma a cikin wannan, mu ce, labarin farko, wanda aka watsa a
shekarar 2006 a tashar talabijin ta gwamnati ta Faransa, France

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Deux, sai na san masana kimiyya ɗaya ko biyu tare da taimakon
George Carlo, wanda a wancan lokacin bai gano matsaloli kawai

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ba, har ma da mafita. Wannan ma ya kasance abin sha'awa sosai.

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Akwai abin da ake kira Noisefield a Jami'ar Washington.

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A gefe guda, mutanen da suka gano wannan, a madadin
masana'antu, wato sojoji, sun yi magana a fili game da shi.

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Sun gaya mini cewa Motorola ita ce mai samar
da kayayyaki ga sojoji. Motorola, tabbas,

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ita ce ta fara a harkar sadarwar wayar hannu.

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Kuma an ba Motorola aikin gano ko za a iya samun
wani abu da zai sa radiyasyon ya zama ba shi da

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tasiri, yayin da har yanzu zai ba da damar sadarwa.

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Sannan suka shafe shekaru goma suna bincike kan
wannan suka gano abin da ake kira filin hayaniya.

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Kuma bayan sun gabatar da wannan ga
Motorola, injiniyoyin sun fara nuna matuƙar sha'awa.

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Akwai Farfesa Lipowitz, wanda masu bincike
suka sani kuma tun daga lokacin ya rasu.

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Amma magajinsa sai ya ci gaba da duk abin.

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Masu ƙirƙira masu ƙwazo a Motorola sai a hankali
aka maye gurbinsu da lauyoyi, waɗanda daga ƙarshe

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suka ayyana cewa abin da ka gano a nan bai wanzu.

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Duk da haka, sojoji sun yi amfani da shi
don kare 'ya'yansu daga radiyasyon, a ce.

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Amma bai saki komai ba saboda ba za a samu wata matsala
ba, domin akwai shari'o'i da ke gudana a lokaci guda kuma

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manyan ƙarar rukuni za su sa dukkan masana'antar rushewa.

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To, abin ya kasance abin ban sha'awa sosai.

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A cikin ci gaban aikina, sai na samu damar koyo game da
binciken Turai musamman, saboda an kawo George Carlo.

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Akwai fim ɗin Thank You for Calling, inda na nuna wannan kaɗan
kuma na shiga dakunan gwaje-gwaje na mutane kamar Kundi da

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Moosgöller, wato Michael Kundi daga MedUni Vienna, likitan
aiki wanda ya kuma gudanar da bincike a madadin gwamnati.

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Sannan akwai mutane kamar Willi Moosgöller,
wanda a zahiri masanin binciken sankara ne.

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Haka na san Farfesa Adlkofer.

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Manyan sunaye – mutanen da suka ɗan san batun za su gane su.

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Ya kaddamar da Nazarin Reflex, wani bincike na
Turai, wanda daga baya aka yi ƙoƙarin bata masa suna a

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matsayin binciken da aka umarce shi ko binciken ƙarya.

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To, wannan ya kasance abin sha'awa
sosai. Kana ganin wannan tsarin sau da yawa.

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Duk mutanen da suka gano wani abu suna fuskantar adawa
daga ƙungiyar lobi, wadda ke samun tallafin kuɗi mai

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yawa daga masana'antu, kuma a wasu lokuta ana cire su.

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Wannan lallai mawuyacin hali ne, musamman ga mu masu amfani.

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Amma muna da kariya daga radiyasyon a Jamus ma, kuma
suna yin aikin da kyau – suna kare mu daga radiyasyon.

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Eh, kun riga kun yi hasashen tambayar ta gaba kaɗan da sharhinku.

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Sauran waɗanda ake kira masana kimiyya, kusan dukkansu, a zahiri
suna ba da tabbacin aminci game da batun sadarwar wayar hannu.

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Ina ganin dalilan sun riga sun
bayyana daga abin da aka fada yanzu.

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Eh, akwai wasu littattafai masu matuƙar ban
sha'awa game da wannan batu. Wannan ba wai al'amari ne

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da ake samu kawai a sadarwar wayar hannu a yau ba.

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Yana kama a masana'antu, masana'antar abinci da sauransu.

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To, akwai littattafai biyu na Farfesa Kreis, wanda kuma ya
bayyana a sabon fim dina mai suna "The Digital Dilemma".

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Christian Kreis ya rubuta: "binciken
da aka saya" da "kimiyya da aka saya."

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Kuma ya bayyana a sarari yadda ake karyata mutanen da ba
sa bin taron jama'a, kamar yadda ake cewa, a mayar da

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su, a yi musu barazana. Hakika akwai yanayi daban-daban.

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Kuma a farko, ni ma na kasance mai saukin kai sosai. Ban
taɓa tunanin cewa irin wannan mugunta tana mulki a can ba.

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Amma abin takaici haka lamarin yake, domin
muna da masana'antu ta duniya, tabbas. Muna da

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fasaha mai ban sha'awa, babu wata shakka a kai.

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Muna duka biyun magana game da wannan
damar ta dijital da sauransu da sauransu.

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Dukkanmu muna amfani da wayoyin hannu. Ba mu adawa da su ba.

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Amma abin da muka kuma gani a wasu lamura na kashin kai,
wasu daga cikinsu kuwa sun yi matuƙar wahalar gano su.

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Amma akwai, misali, ICNIRP – Kwamitin Duniya
kan Kariya daga Radyasyon marar Ionization.

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Kuma ICNIRP yana zaune a Ofishin Tarayya na Kariya daga Radiation
kuma ana biyan kudinsa ne da kuɗin harajin 'yan ƙasar Jamus.

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Akwai abin da ake kira rahoton ICNIRP na wani abokin aiki daga
Munich, Farfesa Buchner, tare da haɗin gwiwar

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Michelle Rivasi, memba a Majalisar Dokokin
Turai daga Faransa wadda abin baƙin ciki ta rasu.

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Hakanan za ka iya sauke shi a matsayin fayil ɗin
PDF daga shafin yanar gizon Competence Initiative.

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An binciki kowane ɗayan mambobin wannan kwamitin, wanda ke
kafa ƙa'idoji da iyakokin kariya daga radiyasyon na

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duniya, kuma an gano cewa dukansu suna da alaƙa da masana'antu.

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Don haka masana'antu ma suna biya su;
waɗannan dai gaskiyoyi ne kawai da aka ƙirƙira anan.

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Kuma zai iya zama abin sha'awa sosai ga duk wanda
ke sha'awar duba wannan rahoton da ake kira

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ICNIRP, inda za ku gano abin da kuke nema cikin sauri.

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Wata ƙungiya ta abokan aiki mai suna
Investigate Europe ta kuma taƙaita wannan sosai.

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Kuma ni ma na nuna wannan a sabon fim dina. Don haka,
das-digitale-dilemma.de (kullum da sandar haɗi a tsakani) yana ba

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da hangen nesa mai yawa, idan zan iya yin ɗan tallata kaina.

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Eh, da farin ciki.

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Eh, kodayake shirye-shiryen dokumentarinku sun kasance kullum
masu jayayya sosai, musamman game da lafiyar kowa, an nuna su sau

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ɗaya kawai – kamar yadda ka ambata a baya – a cikin wani shiri
na dokumentari a talabijin na Faransa, kuma a Jamus an nuna

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su ne kawai a taƙaice kuma ba tare da wata sanarwar shiri ba.

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A matsayinka na mai ciki, wane irin kwarewa ka samu da abin
da ake kira babban tsari game da batun sadarwar wayar hannu?

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Eh, to, wannan wata ƙwarewa ce mai matuƙar ƙarfi.

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Don haka, fim ɗin farko kwata-kwata an yi shi ne a matsayin aikin
da France Deux ta ba da umarni a Paris. A

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wancan lokacin, har yanzu akwai shugaban
sashen shirye-shirye na gaskiya mai faɗin tunani.

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Ya ce: Ka duba, kai ɗan Jamus ne, watakila kana da zaɓin
haɗin gwiwa, zaɓin haɓakar aiki tare da ARD, misali. Na

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san wani a can, babban edita mai buɗaɗɗen tunani a MDR.

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Ni ma na san ta, don haka na tuntuɓe ta, ta
ce, "Toh, mu yi shi. Muna buƙatar mintuna 45."

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Faransawa sun buƙaci mintuna 50
zuwa 52 don tsarin watsa shirensu.

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Kuma an yi mini alkawarin cewa za a
kuma watsa komai a ARD, babban tashar.

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An watsa shi a lokacin da ake kallon talabijin
sosai a Faransa. Kuma an maimaita shi sau da dama.

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Da farko, 'yan Jamus sun kulle fim ɗin a cikin kabad na guba.

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OK

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Amma ya kamata in ambata cewa fim ɗin ya sami
taken da aka sanar a jaridu: Portables en

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accusation – ma'ana wayoyin salula a gaban kotu.

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Kuma an canza wannan taken kaɗan a
yammacin daren watsa shirye-shirye, a ƙarƙashin

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matsin lamba daga lauyoyin masana'antar.

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An ce: Amurka: Wayoyin hannu a cikin tuhumar laifi.

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Kuma sai muka yarda mu saka rubutun bayan hoto a
cikin godiya, wanda ke cewa WHO na sarrafa komai.

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Don haka a gaskiya babu wata matsala.

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Ko da yake duk abin da ke faruwa a cikin fim ɗin yana faruwa a
wancan, sai muka ƙara wannan don tabbatar da masu kallo, a ce.

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Lauyoyin cikin gida na gidan talabijin sun
kasance cikin mawuyacin hali. Kuma sai na bi su.

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Na samu damar cewa, to, ba za mu tura shi ba kwata-kwata.

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Ko kuma zan amince da waɗannan ƙananan canje-canje.
To a nan ne ya fara, kawai batun ne mai ban sha'awa.

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Ana samun kuɗi mai yawa sosai a can.
Kuma mutane ba sa son idan an katse hakan.

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Don haka, ga shi ne gudummawar muhimmanci ta
farko da aka taɓa bayarwa, wadda ta kasance a

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shekarar 1993 a wani shirin tattaunawa a Amurka.

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Sakamakon haka, hannun jarin Motorola ya
fadi da kashi 10 cikin 100 cikin mako guda.

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Kuma tabbas sun mayar da martani suka cika
dukkan guraben domin kada wani abu ya tafi ba daidai

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ba, sannan suka biyo shi a kafofin watsa labarai.

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Saboda abin da ya faru a ARD, wato slash MDR.

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Ba su sanar da ni komai ba. Suna ta cewa: To, za
mu aika shi a wani lokaci, za mu sanar da kai.

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Kuma a ƙarshen shekara, na samu kiran wata sakatariya a
ranar da ta gabata kafin watsa shirye-shiryen, wadda ta ce:

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Za mu nuna shirin gobe, amma mun yanke mintuna
talatin – ko kuma, a'a, mun rage shi zuwa mintuna talatin.

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Na cika mintuna 45 da aka nema kuma aka biya ni.

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Sai na lura cewa babu sanarwar shiri ga wannan abu.

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Don haka na kira abokan aikina a Süddeutsche Zeitung.
Domin a wancan lokacin, har yanzu suna da sashen kafofin watsa

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labarai mai matukar ban sha'awa, wanda kuma yake da suka.

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Kuma na ja hankalinsu kan wannan alaƙa.

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Sannan suka tuntubi mai watsa shirye-shirye
kuma, ba kamar ni ba, suka sami amsa, wadda

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ita ce: Fim ɗin bai sami alaƙa da Jamus ba.

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Sannan na kalli fim ɗin a ranar gobe a
lokacin watsa shirye-shirye na ƙarfe goma na safe.

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Tunomin Jamus ma ya ɓace; su kansu ne suka sare shi.

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To, haka na fuskance shi, wanda a gaskiya abin mamaki ne.

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Amma haka ne yadda matakan takaita bayanai
suka fara, shekaru ashirin da suka wuce.

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Sai na duba abin da hakan ke da alaƙa da shi.

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A wancan shekarar, sun yi haɗin gwiwa da
T-Mobile a Gasar Kwallon Kafa ta Jamus.

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Ba za su iya ɓata wa mafi kyawun abokin cinikinsu, wato mafi
kyawun abokin cinikin tallansu – wanda ke samar

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da ɗaruruwan miliyoyi a shekara, kuma shi ne ke
tallafa musu wajen samun haƙƙin watsa Bundesliga.

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A wannan fanni, an gangan barin maganar Jamus.

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Don haka eh, a yau zan iya dariya game da shi. A
lokacin, na yi tunanin, Ya Allah na, me kake yi?

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Ba haka aka koya mini ba.

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Eh. A matsayin ɗan jarida, wane dama kake gani
ga masu kallo namu don su yi tir da waɗannan

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makircin kafofin watsa labarai masu takaita bayanai?

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To, kun riga kun yi amfani da damar da suka wanzu har zuwa yanzu.

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To, ni ma na ji wani irin jin zuciya game da shi, domin, mu ce
gabaɗaya, wannan wata mummunar ƙyama ce sosai, ko da tsakanin

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mutanen da ke sukar sadarwar wayar hannu;
misali, ba ka shahara a ko'ina ba, abin takaici ne

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ƙwarai. Sai mai kisa kaɗai ne ya san dalilin.

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Amma suna harbi duk inda za su iya.

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Na ji hakan har na yi tunanin cewa ya isa, ya isa.

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Kuma a ganina, dama ɗaya tilo a halin yanzu tana cikin
ƙwarewa da ƙarfin kafofin watsa labarai na daban musamman.

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Kuma na kuma duba, misali, taron da aka gudanar a
Prague, inda Auf1 ta shirya wannan AWEF. Kun kasance a can.

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Kuma akwai wasu abokan aiki da suka halarta
waɗanda suka yi magana a fili suka kuma bayyana

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abubuwa yadda ya kamata. Kuma ba a yarda da su ƙara ba.

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Don haka, a gaskiya, ya kamata ka gayyaci
mutanen da suka kasance a can kusan kowane mako.

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Amma fuska ɗaya ce kawai ake gani a harkar
siyasa koyaushe. Masana'antu, siyasa da kafofin watsa

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labarai suna yin wasa biyu a waɗannan kwanakin.

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Wannan ya sauka zuwa matakin da ba za a iya jurewa ba.

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Don haka idan ka san kaɗan game da aikin jarida,
bisa ga taken... abin da na ji, abokan aikina ma sun

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faɗa mini a fili: idan ba ka bi wasan ba, za a kore ka.

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Na fita. Kuma ina farin ciki da hakan.

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Amma yanzu na shiga, Martin.

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Eh, bari in faɗa haka. Na ji kamar ba
a maraba da masu tunani masu nazari.

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Don haka, idan ana maganar shirye-shiryen tattaunawa da ake
gudanarwa kowace rana a ko'ina, sau da yawa ina ganin ana

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gayyatar mutane ɗaya ne akai-akai, maimakon
barin abubuwa su tafi yadda suka tafi da kuma ba da

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damar a ji ra'ayoyi daban-daban. To, haka nan.

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Kuma waɗannan kawai yanayi ne da, a
ganina, ba su da dimokuraɗiyya. Kuma ina ganin

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hakan abin baƙin ciki ne ƙwarai da ƙwarai.

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Ni ma na ji matuƙar takaici. A matsayinka na mai
lura, kana da ra'ayoyi da dama, kuma ba zan

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iya kallonsa ba yanzu, ina nufin shirin na al'ada.

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Saboda irin wannan tsari yana faruwa sau da yawa.

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Don haka, bari in faɗi maɓalli: yaki na mamaye na
Rasha. Eh, ana jaddada shi a kowane jimla kaɗan.

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Kuma abu ne kawai da ke faruwa a wannan matakin kuma
ana amfani da shi don yaudara, har ma a sashen fasaha

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da al'adu, watakila don sa mutane su shiga yanayin sa.

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Kuma wannan kawai wata hanya ce mara daidai
kuma ba ta da nufin adalci wajen isar da bayanai.

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Kuma ban ga ana ba masu tunani mai nazari damar bayyana
ra'ayoyinsu ba, ko ma a shirye-shiryen tattaunawa da ake

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kira talk shows, abin da nake ganin abin baƙin ciki ƙwarai.

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Don haka a farkon barkewar cutar coronavirus, akwai wakilai
masu muhimmanci guda ɗaya ko biyu kamar Wolfgang Wodarg da wasu.

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An sake ganinsa a farko, sannan
kafofin watsa labarai suka yi masa shiru.

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A akasin haka, mutane kamar Sucharit Bhakdi
an gurfanar da su a gaban kotu har an hana su

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magana, ko kuma an yi ƙoƙarin hana su magana.

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Kuma su mutane ne masu ban mamaki. Me kake yi?

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To, wannan abin mamaki ne a gare ni.
Amma duk da haka, iyakoki na al'ada.

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Eh, kuma a lokacin ne nake tunanin cewa dole ne a
yi wani abu game da shi, kuma hakan yana aiki sosai.

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To, ina ganin akwai da yawa daga cikinmu da ba a sake yaudarar
mu ba kuma muna ci gaba da yin abinmu, kowanne a nasa salo.

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Akwai nau'o'in yanayi da ƙwarewa daban-daban.

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Amma ina ganin ana kiran wannan halayyar kafofin watsa
labarai ta dimokuradiyya, wadda nake ganin ta daɗi kuma mai ban

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sha'awa da launuka masu kayatarwa – haka ya kamata ta kasance.

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Kuma a nan nake ƙoƙarin yin nawa ma. Tare da taimakon
ƙungiyoyi masu ban mamaki kamar ƙungiyar WIR a Switzerland.

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Waɗannan mutane ne masu aiki iri-iri sosai.

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Amma saboda na yi wani abu tare da su kuma na
samu nasarar fara abubuwa godiya ga taimakonsu,

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sai a tura ni cikin kusurwar masu ra'ayin dama.

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To daga cikinmu ne! Wannan abin mamaki
ne, abin ban dariya ne, abin kunya ne.

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Amma dai, ni ma ban so in yi aiki cikin fushi ba.

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Abin da muke buƙata shi ne ilimin masu amfani da kayayyaki da
kariyar masu amfani da kayayyaki. Don cimma wannan, masu

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amfani da kayayyaki kansu dole ne su samar da ra'ayoyinsu.
Ba wai kawai ta hanyar kallon labaran yau da kullum ba.

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Eh, ina ganin cewa a tsakanin duk waɗannan sauran mutane, abin
da ya fi burge ni a wannan AWEF shi ne kawai wannan haɗin kai.

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Wannan haɗin kai ne tsakanin dukkan mutanen
da har yanzu ke ƙoƙarin samun ra'ayi a wani

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wuri kuma su goyi bayansa a cikin wannan tsari.

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Kuma ina ganin hakan na faruwa ƙara yawaita, cewa lallai akwai,
mu ce, irin waɗannan sa-kai da ke ɗan bambanta, inda mutum ɗaya

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ke yin hakan ta wannan hanya, wani kuma ta
wata, amma ba shi da muhimmanci, domin kuna da

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manufa ɗaya: samar wa mutane cikakkiyar bayanai.

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Kuma duk mutane dole ne su kafa
ra'ayinsu da kansu. Wannan ba matsala ba ce.

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Eh, Mista Scheidsteger, na gode ƙwarai da wannan gajeren
hira. Muna yi maka fatan ci gaba da nasara a duk abin da kake

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yi kuma muna fatan za ka ci gaba da ɗaukar ra'ayi mai nazari.

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Na gode ƙwarai kuma in yi fatan alheri. Eh, ba komai.