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Obi dị m ụtọ ịnabata onye na-eme ihe nkiri nyocha
Klaus Scheidsteger na Kla.tv maka ajụjụ ọnụ taa.

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Mista Scheidsteger, ọtụtụ n'ime ndị
na-ekiri anyị amaghị gị ka ọ dị ugbu a.

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Ị nwere ike ịkọwa onwe gị nkenke
ma gwa anyị ntakịrị gbasara ọrụ gị?

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Ee, ọ ga-atọ m ụtọ. Daalụ maka ịkpọ m bịa na ajụjụ ọnụ a.

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Nke a na-eme ọtụtụ ugboro n'oge
na-adịbeghị anya. N'ezie, obi dị m ụtọ.

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Eziokwu, abụ m onye nta akụkọ telivishọn n'ọrụ m.

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Mụụrụ akwụkwọ nta akụkọ na Mahadum Dortmund,
ma bụrụkwa otu n'ime ndị otu mbụ n'oge ahụ.

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Ntụziaka ọhụrụ a n'ọmụmụ m nke na-elekwasị anya na
omume mechara bụrụ ọzụzụ ọrụ mgbe m nwetara ogo etiti,

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nke m mere na Westdeutscher Rundfunk dị na Cologne.

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Nke ahụ bụ n'oge e nweghị ndị mgbasa ozi nkeonwe.

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Ọfọn, nke ahụ ka bụ mmemme arịrịọ maka ndị nta akụkọ.

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Onye ọ bụla nwere echiche ọma nwere ikike ime
ya; enweghị nchịkwa ma ọ bụ ihe ọ bụla ọzọ.

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Ma nke ahụ bụ oge ọma n'ezie; afọ ndị ahụ bụ
afọ m na-eto eto, nke m ji nnukwu ụtọ nụrụ.

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Mmepe sochiri bụ mgbe e kwadoro ndị mgbasa ozi
nkeonwe. Mgbe m dị afọ iri atọ, n'afọ 1984, m hiwere

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ụlọ ọrụ mmepụta ihe nkiri nke m n'obodo m, Essen.

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Si ebe ahụ, m mepụtara akụkọ mba ụwa, akụkọ na ihe
nkiri akụkọ, jiri ngwaọrụ m na otu m, nke bụ nnukwu ọṅụ.

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N'oge ụfọdụ, ruo etiti afọ 1990, ihe malitere ịgbanwe.

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Dị ka ị na-ekwu na ugbu a anyị maara ihe ndị na-ekiri chọrọ ịhụ,
yabụ kwụsị okwu amamihe gị efu; ọ dịghị onye chọrọ ịhụ nke ahụ.

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Ọ dị mma

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Mgbe nke ahụ gasịrị, m belatara ụlọ ọrụ
ahụ maka oge ụfọdụ ma mepụta ihe maka Arte.

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Ọ ka bụ onye mgbasa ozi nwere uche mepere emepe nke ukwuu,
mana ka anyị kwuo na ihe m mụtara otu oge nwayọ nwayọ tufuru.

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Ya mere, onye ọ bụla chere na ha nwere ike ịbụ onye nta akụkọ.

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Ihe bụbu ọrụ otu – e nwere ndị na-ese ihe
nkiri, e nwekwara onye nhazi – mechara bụrụ

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na otu mmadụ ga-eme ya nzọụkwụ n'otu nzọụkwụ.

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N'ezie, nke a mere kwa mgbe e mepụtara dijitalụ nke
okporo ámá a. Ma n'ihe gbasara ọdịnaya, ọ na-esiwanye njọ.

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Ma ihe kacha mkpa, ma ka dịkwa mkpa, bụ
na enwetara m agụmakwụkwọ magburu onwe ya.

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Kemgbe ihe dị ka afọ iri abụọ, akụkọ gị na ihe nkiri akụkọ gị
na-elekwasị anya ugboro ugboro na nkwukọrịta ekwentị mkpanaaka.

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Kedu ka ị si mata ngalaba ọmụmụ a kpọmkwem dị ka ọrụ ndụ gị?

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N'eziokwu, ihe mere bụ na ndị mmadụ ndị na-enwe
mmetụta dị oke na ọkụ eletrik bịarutere m n'ndụ onwe m.

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Ha kwuru na ha nwere ike ịnụ na m na-ebu ekwentị
mkpanaaka. Na mbido, echere m na ha ntakịrị ara.

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Ma na nzukọ anyị sochirinụ, ndị a nyere m akwụkwọ nke onye
sayensị Amerịka aha ya bụ Dọkịta George Carlo dere, onye n'oge

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1993 ruo 1999 mere nnyocha n'aha ụlọ ọrụ ahụ, ma dere akwụkwọ a
ọnụ na onye nta akụkọ Washington Post aha ya bụ

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Martin Schram, n'ime ya ka o kọọrọ ahụmịhe onwe
ya na ụlọ ọrụ ahụ – ụlọ ọrụ ahụ bụ onye ahịa ya.

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Ọ chọtara nsogbu, ma a kụghị ndị ọha
ozi gbasara ha n'ụzọ kwesịrị ekwesị.

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Ma George Carlo a nwere ihe abụọ bụ isi o
lekwasịrị anya na ndụ ya, n'ihi na ọ mụrụ ọgwụ na iwu.

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Ha họọrọ onye mpi ezighi ezi.

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Onye ahụ mechara gaa n'ihu, gbalịrị ịhazigharị ma nyere aka
iwulite ikpe megide nnukwu ụlọ ọrụ ekwentị mkpanaaka, ma

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mee ka ihe niile ahụ gaa n'ihu dabere na nchọpụta sayensị ya.

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Nke ahụ pụtara na ọ bụ akụkọ magburu onwe ya, ma
n'ụzọ ijuanya, ọ dịghị onye nwere mmasị na ya.

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Mgbe ahụ, nwayọ nwayọ m banye n'isiokwu ahụ, nke
na-ekpuchi ọtụtụ isiokwu dị iche iche nke ukwuu.

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Ee, site na fim gị, ị guzobere njikọ na ndị
ọkachamara a ma ama n'ọhịa a. Ị kwuru George Carlo ugbu a.

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Ị nwere ike ikwu okwu nkenke gbasara nke a? Ònye ndị
ọkachamara ndị ọzọ ka ị zutere, gịnịkwa ka ha chere?

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Ya mere, ihe nkiri m mbụ kpamkpam, nke e gosipụtara na
telivishọn France na 2006, lekwasịrị anya na ikpe megide

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ụlọ ọrụ ekwentị mkpanaaka, dabere na nchọpụta sayensị.

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Ma ihe niile a kụrụ n'akụkọ George Carlo, onye e
mechara tufuo ntụkwasị obi mgbe o kọrọ ya n'ihu ọha.

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N'eziokwu, ọ bụ ozi dị mkpa gbasara nchebe ndị na-azụ ahịa
sitere na nchọpụta sayensị nke ụlọ ọrụ ahụ mere, mana

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ụlọ ọrụ ahụ kwụrụ ụgwọ ya, nke mechara bute nsonaazụ dị njọ.

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N'ime akụkọ a, ka anyị kwuo, nke mbụ, nke e gbasaara na 2006 na
ọdụ mgbasa ozi steeti France Deux, mgbe ahụ m matara otu ma ọ bụ

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abụọ ndị sayensị site n'aka George Carlo,
onye n'oge ahụ ọ bụghị nanị chọtara nsogbu,

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kamakwa chọtara ngwọta. Nke ahụ dịkwa ezigbo ụtọ.

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E nwere ihe a na-akpọ Noisefield na Mahadum Washington.

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N'eziokwu, ndị chọpụtara nke a, n'aha ụlọ
ọrụ, ọkachasị ndị agha, kwupụtara ya n'ihu ọha.

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Ha gwara m na Motorola bụ onye na-eweta ngwaahịa maka ndị agha.
Motorola bụ, n'ezie, onye mbido n'ịkparịta ụka ekwentị mkpanaaka.

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A nyere Motorola ọrụ ka ha chọpụta ma e nwere
ike ịchọta ihe ga-eme ka radieshon ghara ịdị

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irè ma ka o kwere ka nkwurịta okwu gaa n'ihu.

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Mgbe ahụ, ha jiri afọ iri na-eme nchọpụta
banyere nke a ma chọpụta ihe a na-akpọ ubi mkpọtụ.

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Mgbe ha gosipụtara nke a na Motorola,
ndị injinia n'mbido jupụtara n'ọṅụ.

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E nwere Prọfesọ Lipowitz, onye ndị
nchọpụta makwaara, ma kemgbe ahụ ọ nwụrụ.

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Ma onye sochiri ya wee gara n'ihu na ihe niile.

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A gbanwere ndị injinia nwere mmụọ ọrụ na
Motorola nwayọ nwayọ site n'aka ndị ọka iwu, bụ ndị

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mechara kwuo na ihe ị chọpụtara ebe a adịghị adị.

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Agha jiri ya n'agbanyeghị iji chebe ụmụ nwoke
ha n'onwe ha pụọ na radieshon, ka e si kwuo.

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Ma ọ nweghịkwa wepụta ihe niile n'ihi na enweghị ike
inwe nsogbu ọ bụla, n'ihi na e nwere ikpe ka na-aga

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n'ihu, na nnukwu ikpe otu ga-eme ka ụlọ ọrụ niile daa.

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N'ezie, nke ahụ dị ezigbo ụtọ.

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N'ime ọrụ m gara n'ihu, mgbe ahụ enwere m ike ịmụta
banyere nnyocha Europe karịsịa, n'ihi na e wetara George Carlo.

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E nwere ihe nkiri Thank You for Calling, ebe m gosipụtara nke a
ntakịrị ma banye n'ụlọ nyocha ndị dị ka Kundi

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na Moosgöller, ya bụ Michael Kundi si MedUni
Vienna, dọkịta ọrụ nke mere nnyocha n'aha steeti.

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Mgbe ahụ, e nwekwara ndị dị ka Willi
Moosgöller, onye n'eziokwu bụ onye na-eme nchọpụta kansa.

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Nke ahụ bụ otú m si mara Prọfesọ Adlkofer.

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Nnukwu aha – ndị nwere ntakịrị ihe
ọmụma gbasara isiokwu a ga-amata ha.

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Ọ malitere Nnyocha Reflex, nnyocha Europe, nke e mesịrị gbalịrịkwa
ime ka ọ bụrụ nnyocha e nyere iwu ma ọ bụ nnyocha e mebiri.

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Ọfọn, nke ahụ dị ezigbo ụtọ. Ị na-ahụ usoro a ugboro ugboro.

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Ndị niile chọpụtara ihe ọ bụla na-enweta mgbochi site
n'aka òtù nkwado nke na-enweta nnukwu nkwado ego site

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n'aka ụlọ ọrụ ahụ, ma n'ọnọdụ ụfọdụ, a na-ewepụkwa ha.

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Nke a bụ n'ezie ọnọdụ ọdachi, karịsịa maka anyị ndị na-azụ ahịa.

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Ma anyị nwekwara nchebe megide radieshon na Germany, ha
na-eme ya nke ọma – ha na-echebe anyị pụọ na radieshon.

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Ee, ị tụrụla ajụjụ na-esote ntakịrị site na okwu gị.

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Ndị ọzọ a na-akpọ ndị sayensị, fọrọ nke nta ka ha niile,
n'eziokwu na-enye nkwenye na isiokwu nke nkwukọrịta mkpanaka.

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Echere m na ihe kpatara ya
adịlarịrị anya site n'ihe e kwuru ugbu a.

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Ee, e nwere ụfọdụ akwụkwọ na-atọ ụtọ nke ukwuu gbasara isiokwu
a. Nke a abụghị naanị ihe a na-ahụ na nkwukọrịta mkpanaka taa.

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Ọ yiri ya n'ụlọ ọrụ, n'ụlọ ọrụ nri na ihe ndị yiri ya.

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Ọfọn, e nwere akwụkwọ abụọ nke Prọfesọ Kreis dere, onye
pụtakwara na fim m kacha ọhụrụ, "The Digital Dilemma".

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Christian Kreis dere: "Nnyocha zụrụ" na "Sayensị zụrụ"

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Ma ọ kọwara nke ọma otú e si emebi aha ndị mmadụ ndị
na-adịghị eso usoro, dịka a ga-asị, a na-ebufe ha ma ọ bụ

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a na-eme ha egwu. E nwere ọnọdụ dị iche iche n'eziokwu.

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Na mbido, abụrụ m onye na-enweghị ahụmịhe nke ukwuu.
Enweghị m ike iche na ajọ omume dị otú ahụ na-achị ebe ahụ.

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Ma nwute, ọ dị otú ahụ, n'ihi na anyị nwere
ụlọ ọrụ zuru ụwa ọnụ, n'ezie. Anyị nwere teknụzụ

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na-adọrọ mmasị, enweghị ajụjụ gbasara nke ahụ.

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Anyị abụọ na-ekwu maka ohere dijitalụ
a na ihe ndị yiri ya na ihe ndị ọzọ.

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Anyị niile na-eji ekwentị mkpanaaka. Anyị adịghị megide ha.

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Ma ihe anyị hụrụkwa n'okwu ndị mmadụ n'onwe ha
bụ na mgbe ụfọdụ ọ na-esiri ike ịchọpụta ya.

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Ma, dịka ọmụmaatụ, e nwere ICNIRP – Ụlọ Ọrụ Mba
Ụwa maka Nchedo megide Radieshon Na-abụghị Ionising.

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Ma ICNIRP nọ na Ọfịs Federal maka Nchedo Radieshon ma a
na-akwụ ya ụgwọ site na ego ndị na-akwụ ụtụ isi Germany.

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E nwere akụkọ a na-akpọ ICNIRP nke onye ọrụ ibe anyị si Munich,
Prọfesọ Buchner, rụrụ na imekọrịta na Michelle Rivasi, onye

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otu Parliament Europe si France, onye nwụrụ anwụ n'ọnwụ mwute.

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Ị nwekwara ike ibudata ya dị ka faịlụ PDF
site na weebụsaịtị Competence Initiative.

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A nyochachara ndị òtù nke otu a, nke na-etolite
ụkpụrụ na ókè nchedo radieshon mba ụwa, ma

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chọpụtara na ha niile nwere njikọ na ụlọ ọrụ mmepụta ihe.

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Ya mere, ụlọ ọrụ na-akwụ ha ụgwọ kwa;
ndị a bụ naanị eziokwu e kere ebe a.

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Ma ọ ga-atọ ụtọ nke ukwuu maka onye ọ bụla nwere mmasị ilele
akụkọ a a na-akpọ ICNIRP, ebe ị ga-ahụ ngwa ngwa ihe ị na-achọ.

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Otu ndị ọrụ ibe akpọrọ Investigate
Europe emeela nchịkọta nke a nke ọma.

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Ma ana m egosikwa nke a na fim m ọhụrụ. Ya mere,
das-digitale-dilemma.de (mgbe niile na

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hyphen n'etiti) na-enye ọtụtụ nghọta, ma ọ bụrụ
na m nwere ike ime ntakịrị mgbasa ozi onwe m.

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Ee, n'ezie.

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Ee, ọ bụ ezie na ihe nkiri akụkọ gị na-akpata esemokwu mgbe
niile, karịsịa gbasara ahụike maka mmadụ niile, e gosiri ha naanị

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otu ugboro – dịka i kwuru na mbụ – na ihe nkiri akụkọ
na telivishọn France, na Germany e gosiri ha naanị

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n'ụdị mkpụmkpụ ma enweghịkwa mgbasa ozi mmemme ọ bụla.

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Dịka onye nọ n'ime ya, gịnị ahụmahụ ị nwere na ihe a
na-akpọ "mainstream" gbasara isiokwu nkwukọrịta mkpanaka?

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Ee, ọ bụ ezigbo ahụmahụ siri ike.

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Ya mere, ihe nkiri mbụ kpamkpam bụ mmepụta e nyere iwu
site na France Deux na Paris. N'oge ahụ, e ka nwere onye isi

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na-ahụ maka ihe nkiri akụkọ ndụ nwere uche mepere emepe.

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O kwuru sị: Lee, ị bụ Onye Jamani, eleghị anya ị nwere nhọrọ
ngwakọta, nhọrọ mmepụta ọnụ na ARD, dịka ọmụmaatụ. Ama m

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onye nọ ebe ahụ, onye isi ndezi nwere uche mepere emepe na MDR.

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Ma amaara m ya kwa, ya mere m kpọtụrụ ya, ọ sịrị, "Ọ dị
mma, ka anyị mee ya. Anyị ga-achọ nkeji iri anọ na ise."

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Ndị France chọrọ nkeji iri ise ruo iri
ise na abụọ maka usoro mgbasa ozi ha.

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A kwere m nkwa na a ga-ebipụta ihe niile
ahụ na ARD, ọwa mgbasa ozi kacha mkpa.

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E gosiri ya n'oge kacha elu na
France. A megharịrị ya ọtụtụ ugboro.

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Na mbido, ndị Jamanị kpuchiri ihe nkiri ahụ n'ime kabinet nsi.

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Ọ dị mma

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Ma m ga-ekwukwa na fim ahụ nwere aha e
kwupụtara na akwụkwọ akụkọ: Portables en

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accusation – nke pụtara ekwentị mkpanaaka nọ n'ikpe.

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A gbanwere aha a ntakịrị n'abalị mgbasa ozi ahụ
n'okpuru nrụgide sitere n'aka ndị ọka iwu ụlọ ọrụ.

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Ọ sịrị: USA: ekwentị mkpanaaka n'akwụkwọ ikpe.

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Anyị ghaghị ikweta itinye nkọwa n'akwụkwọ ekele
na-ekwu na WHO nwere ihe niile n'okpuru njikwa.

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Ya mere, n'eziokwu, enweghị nsogbu.

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N'agbanyeghị na ihe niile na-eme n'ime fim ahụ
na-eme n'ebe ahụ, anyị ga-etinye mgbakwunye a iji

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mee ka ndị na-ekiri nwee obi ike, ka anyị si kwuo.

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Ndị ọka iwu n'ime ụlọ ọrụ mgbasa ozi ahụ
nọ n'ọnọdụ siri ike n'ezie. Ma m ga-eso ya.

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Enwetara m ohere ikwu, ọ dị mma,
yabụ anyị agaghị eziga ya kpamkpam.

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Ma ọ bụ m ga-eso mgbanwe nta ndị a. Ya mere, ebe
ahụ ka ọ malitere; ọ bụ naanị isiokwu na-atọ ụtọ.

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E mepụtara nnukwu ego ebe ahụ. Ma ndị
mmadụ anaghị amasị mgbe a kpasuru ya.

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Ya mere, e nwere onyinye kacha mkpa mbụ
n'afọ 1993 n'otu mmemme mkparịta ụka na Amerịka.

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N'ihi ya, òkè Motorola dara pasent iri n'ime otu izu.

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N'ezie, ha zara ma jupụta n'ọkwa niile ka ihe
ọ bụla ghara ịda, wee soro ya na mgbasa ozi.

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N'ihi na ihe ndị a mere na ARD, ya bụ slash MDR.

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Ha ekwughị m ihe ọ bụla. Ha na-ekwu mgbe niile: "Ọ dị
mma, anyị ga-eziga ya n'oge ụfọdụ, anyị ga-agwa gị."

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Ma n'oge ngwụcha afọ ahụ, n'ụbọchị tupu mgbasa ozi ahụ,
enwetara m oku site n'aka onye odeakwụkwọ, onye kwuru:

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Anyị ga-egosi mmemme ahụ echi, mana anyị ebelatala ya nkeji iri
atọ – ma ọ bụ, mba, anyị emeela ka ọ dị mkpụmkpụ nkeji iri atọ.

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Emechara m nyefee nkeji iri anọ
na ise a rịọrọ ma kwụrụ m ụgwọ ya.

15:49.540 --> 15:56.426
Mgbe ahụ ka m hụrụ na e nweghị nkwupụta mmemme maka ihe a.

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Ya mere, akpọrọ m ndị ọrụ ibe m na Süddeutsche
Zeitung. N'ihi na n'oge ahụ, ha ka nwere

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ngalaba mgbasa ozi dị ezigbo ụtọ, nke na-enyocha ihe.

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Ma m dọrọ uche ha na njikọ a.

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Mgbe ahụ, ha kpọtụrụ onye mgbasa ozi ma, n'adịghị ka m,
natara nzaghachi, nke bụ: Ihe nkiri ahụ enweghị njikọ German.

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Mgbe ahụ, ebe m lere ihe nkiri ahụ n'ụbọchị
sochirinụ n'oge mgbasa ozi elekere iri nke ụtụtụ.

16:24.580 --> 16:30.320
Nkọwa German ahụ furu efu kwa; ha wepụrụ ya onwe ha.

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Ọfọn, otú ka m si ahụ ya, nke n'eziokwu adịghị ekwe omume.

16:35.357 --> 16:45.400
Ma otú ahụ ka e si malite usoro nchịkwa ihe mgbasa ozi afọ
iri abụọ gara aga. Mgbe ahụ, achọpụtakwara m ihe jikọrọ ya.

16:45.400 --> 16:50.661
N'afọ ahụ, ha nwere T-Mobile dị ka
onye mmekọ maka German Football League.

16:50.661 --> 16:58.754
Ha enweghị ike ịhapụ onye ahịa ha kacha mma, onye ahịa
mgbasa ozi ha kacha mma – onye na-eweta narị nde ole na ole

16:58.754 --> 17:03.760
kwa afọ ma nwee ike ịkwado ha n'inweta ikike Bundesliga.

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N'ihe a metụtara, e wepụrụ ntụaka German n'echiche.

17:07.633 --> 17:14.706
Ya mere ee, taa enwere m ike ịchị ya. N'oge
ahụ, echere m, Chineke m, gịnị ka ị na-eme?

17:14.706 --> 17:17.619
Ọ bụghị otú e kụziri m ime ya.

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Ee. Dịka onye nta akụkọ, gịnị ka ị hụrụ ka ndị na-ekiri
anyị ga-esi gbochie aghụghọ ndị mgbasa ozi na-achịkwa ozi?

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Ọfọn, ị na-eji ohere ndị dị ruo taa.

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Ọfọn, enweremkwa ntakịrị mmetụta n'ime obi banyere ya, n'ihi na,
ka anyị sị, n'ozuzu ọ bụ nnukwu ịkpa àgwà ọjọọ, ọbụna n'etiti ndị

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na-enyocha nkwukọrịta mkpanaka, dịka ọmụmaatụ. Ị
bụghị onye a ma ama n'ebe niile, nke bụ ezigbo mwute.

17:50.450 --> 17:54.386
Onye na-egbu ndị mkpọrọ naanị ya maara ihe kpatara ya.

17:54.386 --> 17:58.646
Ma ha na-agba ọkụ n'ebe ọ bụla ha nwere ike.

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Ma m nụrụ nke a nke ukwuu, nke mere
na m chere n'eziokwu na o zuru oke.

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Ma ohere naanị, n'echiche m, dị ugbu a
n'ike na nka nke mgbasa ozi ọzọ karịsịa.

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Ma m lere anya kwa, dịka ọmụmaatụ, ihe omume ahụ
dị na Prague, ebe Auf1 haziri AWEF a. Ị nọ ebe ahụ.

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Ma e nwere ụfọdụ ndị ọrụ ibe nọ ebe ahụ, bụ ndị
kwuru n'ụzọ doro anya ma kọwaa ihe dịka o

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kwesịrị ịdị. Ugbu a a naghịzi ha ekwe ka ha sonyere.

18:39.999 --> 18:46.973
Ya mere, n'eziokwu, ị kwesịrị ịkpọ ndị
na-aga ebe ahụ fọrọ nke nta ka ọ bụrụ izu ọ bụla.

18:46.973 --> 18:52.659
Ma ọ na-adị mgbe niile otu ihu ndị si na ndọrọndọrọ
ọchịchị. Ụlọ ọrụ mmepụta ihe, ndọrọndọrọ ọchịchị na

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mgbasa ozi na-egwu egwuregwu abụọ n'ezie n'oge ndị a.

18:55.886 --> 18:59.740
Nke a adaala n'ọkwa na-apụghị ịnagide.

18:59.740 --> 19:08.592
Ya mere, ọ bụrụ na ị ma ntakịrị gbasara ọrụ nta akụkọ, dịka
okwu mkpịsị ha si kwuo... ihe m chọpụtara, ndị ọrụ ibe m

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gwara m nke ọma: ọ bụrụ na ị gaghị eso ha egwu, a ga-ewepụ gị.

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Apụ m. Ma obi dị m ụtọ maka nke ahụ.

19:19.840 --> 19:23.960
Ma ugbu a, adị m n'ime, Martin.

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Ee, ka m kwuo ya n'ụzọ a. Enwetara m
mmetụta na a naghị anabata uche na-enyocha.

19:31.366 --> 19:41.380
Ya mere, mgbe ọ bịara na mmemme mkparịta ụka ndị na-eme kwa
ụbọchị n'ebe dị iche iche, ọ na-adị m ka a na-akpọ otu ndị

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ahụ ugboro ugboro, kama ịhapụ ka ihe gbaa ọsọ ma kwe ka
echiche ndị ọzọ nụrụ, a na-ahazi ya niile. Nke ahụ doro anya.

19:51.786 --> 20:00.580
Ma ndị a bụ naanị ọnọdụ ndị, n'echiche m, adịghịzi ọchịchị
onye kwuo uche ya. Ma achọpụtara m nke ahụ dị nnọọ nnọọ mwute.

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Anọ m kwa nnukwu mwute. Dị ka onye na-ekiri,
ị nwere ọtụtụ echiche dị iche iche, ma

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enweghị m ike ile ya ọzọ, nke ahụ bụ mmemme nkịtị.

20:12.980 --> 20:16.340
N'ihi na ụdị nhazi a na-eme ugboro ugboro.

20:16.340 --> 20:23.238
Ya mere, ka m kwuo otu okwu mkpụrụ: Agha mwakpo Russia. Ee,
a na-eme ka nke ahụ pụta ìhè n'ahịrịokwu ole na ole ọ bụla.

20:23.238 --> 20:30.642
Ma ọ bụ naanị ihe na-eme n'ọkwa ahụ ma eji ya eme
ihe n'aghụghọ, ọbụna na ngalaba nka na omenala,

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ikekwe iji mee ka ndị mmadụ nwee mmetụta maka ya.

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Ma nke ahụ bụ naanị ụzọ ezighi ezi
na na-enweghị ịdị n'otu iji kọọ ozi.

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Anaghị m ahụ ka a na-enye ndị nwere uche nyocha ohere
igosipụta echiche ha, ọbụna na mmemme mkparịta ụka a

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na-akpọ "talk shows", nke na-eme m obi ebere nke ukwuu.

20:52.383 --> 20:57.617
Ya mere, na mmalite ọrịa coronavirus, e
nwere otu ma ọ bụ abụọ n'ime ndị nnọchiteanya

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kacha mkpa dịka Wolfgang Wodarg na ndị ọzọ.

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E hụrụ ya ọzọ na mmalite, mgbe
ahụ mgbasa ozi mere ka ọ jụrụ okwu.

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N'aka nke ọzọ, e mere ikpe megide ndị dị ka Sucharit Bhakdi
ma gbachie ha ọnụ, ma ọ bụ e mere mbọ ime ka ha jụ ịgwa okwu.

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Ha bụ ndị dị ịtụnanya. Gịnị ka ị na-eme?

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Nke ahụ dị m ịtụnanya. Ma n'agbanyeghị nke ahụ, ókè nkịtị.

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Ee, ọ bụ mgbe ahụ ka m chere na a ga-eme ihe
gbasara ya, ma nke ahụ na-arụ ọrụ nke ọma n'eziokwu.

21:36.560 --> 21:44.826
Echere m na ọtụtụ n'ime anyị adịghịzi aghọgbu ma
ka na-eme ihe anyị chọrọ, onye ọ bụla n'ụzọ ya.

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E nwere ụdị àgwà na nka dị iche iche.

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Ma echere m na a na-akpọ ya omume mgbasa ozi
ọchịchị onye kwuo uche ya, nke m na-ahụ n'anya ma

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na-atọ ụtọ nke ukwuu n'agba – otú ka ọ kwesịrị ịdị.

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Ma ọ bụ ebe ahụ ka m na-agbalị ime nke m kwa. Site n'enyemaka
nke òtù magburu onwe ha dịka òtù WIR dị na Switzerland.

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Ndị a bụ ndị na-eme ọtụtụ ihe.

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Ma n'ihi na m merekwa ihe na ha ma malite ime ihe nke ọma
n'ihi enyemaka ha, a na-etinyekwa m n'akụkụ ndị aka nri.

22:23.970 --> 22:30.166
Ya mere, site n'ime ndị anyị n'onwe anyị!
Nke ahụ dị oke iwe, oke nzuzu, oke ihere.

22:30.166 --> 22:35.860
Ma ọ dị mma, achọghịkwa m ịrụ ọrụ n'iwe.

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Ihe anyị chọrọ bụ agụmakwụkwọ maka ndị na-azụ ahịa na
nchebe ha. Iji nweta nke a, ndị na-azụ ahịa onwe ha ga-emekwa

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echiche ha. Ọ bụghị naanị dabere na ihe ha na-ahụ na akụkọ.

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Ee, echere m na n'etiti ndị mmadụ ndị ọzọ a niile, ihe
kacha metụta m n'eziokwu na AWEF a bụ naanị njikọta a.

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Njikọ ọnụ a n'etiti ndị mmadụ niile ka na-agbalị
ịmepụta echiche n'ebe ụfọdụ ma na-akwado ya n'ime usoro ahụ.

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Echere m na nke a na-eme ugboro ugboro karị, na n'eziokwu e
nwere, ka anyị kwuo, ụfọdụ mmetụta nke dị n'akụkụ ụfọdụ: otu

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mmadụ na-eme ya otú a, onye ọzọ na-eme ya otú
ahụ, ma nke ahụ adịghị mkpa, n'ihi na unu

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nwere otu ebumnuche: inye ndị mmadụ ozi zuru ezu.

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Ma onye ọ bụla ga-emepụta echiche nke
ya n'agbanyeghị. Nke ahụ abụghị nsogbu.

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Ee, Mista Scheidsteger, daalụ nke ukwuu maka ajụjụ ọnụ mkpirikpi
a. Anyị na-achọ ka ị nwee ọganiihu na-aga

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n'ihu n'ihe niile ị na-eme ma na-atụ anya na
ị ga-aga n'ihu na-eji echiche nyochaa ihe.

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Daalụ nke ukwuu ma ka ihe niile gaa nke ọma. Ee, ọ dị mma.