WEBVTT 00:00.520 --> 00:08.993 Ke thabile haholo ho amohela moetsi oa lifilimi tsa lipatlisiso Klaus Scheidsteger ho Kla.tv bakeng sa puisano kajeno. 00:08.993 --> 00:12.220 Monghadi Scheidsteger, bashebelli ba rona ba bangata ha ba eso o tsebe. 00:12.220 --> 00:18.126 Na o ka its'ebisa ka bokhutšoanyane 'me oa re bolella hanyane ka mosebetsi oa hau? 00:18.126 --> 00:21.600 E, ke tla thaba haholo. Kea leboha ka ho ntaletsa puisano ena. 00:21.600 --> 00:25.247 Hoo esale ho etsahala haholo morao tjena. Ke thabile haholo, ehlile. 00:25.247 --> 00:30.220 Hantle, ha e le hantle ke moqolotsi oa litaba tsa thelevishene ka mosebetsi. 00:30.220 --> 00:35.440 Ke ithutetse boralitaba Univesithing ea Dortmund 'me ke ne ke le karolo ea sehlopha sa pele ka nako eo. 00:35.440 --> 00:42.305 Tsela ena e ncha lithutong tsa ka tse shebaneng le tšebetso e ile ea qetella ka boithupello kamora lengolo 00:42.305 --> 00:48.493 la ka la thuto e bohareng, boo ke ileng ka bo phetha Westdeutscher Rundfunk e Cologne. 00:48.493 --> 00:51.286 Seo e ne e le nakong eo ho neng ho se na baphatlalatsi ba poraefete. 00:51.286 --> 00:55.000 Hantle, e ne e ntse e le lenaneo la likopo bakeng sa baqolotsi ba litaba. 00:55.000 --> 00:59.920 Mang kapa mang ea neng a e-na le mohopolo o motle o ne a lumelloa ho o phethahatsa; ho ne ho se na thibelo kapa letho le leng. 00:59.920 --> 01:06.193 Mme e ne e le nako e monate feela, ao e ne e le dilemo tsa ka tsa kgolo, tseo ke di thabetseng haholo. 01:06.193 --> 01:13.490 Tsoelopele e latelang e bile ha baphatlalatsi ba poraefete ba fuoa laesense. Ha ke le lilemo li 30, ka 01:13.490 --> 01:20.520 1984, ke ile ka theha k'hamphani ea ka ea tlhahiso ea lifilimi toropong ea heso ea Essen. 01:20.520 --> 01:28.690 Ho tloha moo, ke ile ka hlahisa ditaba tsa matjhaba, ditlaleho le mananeo a ditokomane ke sebedisa disebediswa tsa ka 01:28.690 --> 01:32.855 le sehlopha sa ka, e leng ntho e neng e le monate haholo. 01:32.855 --> 01:45.002 Ka nako e itseng, ho fihlela bohareng ba lilemo tsa bo-1990, lintho li ile tsa qala ho fetoha. 01:45.002 --> 01:50.267 Eka ba re, joale re se re tseba seo bashebelli ba batlang ho se bona, kahoo tlohela bohlale ba lona bo 01:50.267 --> 01:52.638 se nang thuso; ha ho motho ea batlang ho bona seo. 01:52.638 --> 01:53.413 Ho lokile 01:53.413 --> 02:00.573 Kamora moo, ke ile ka fokotsa mosebetsi wa khamphani ka nakwana mme ka hlahisa bakeng sa Arte. 02:00.573 --> 02:06.737 E ne e ntse e le setsi sa phatlalatso se nang le kelello e bulehileng haholo, empa ha re re feela seo ke neng 02:06.737 --> 02:09.206 ke se ithutile hangata se ile sa lahleha butle-butle. 02:09.206 --> 02:12.840 Kahoo bohle ba ne ba nahana hore ba ka ba moqolotsi oa litaba. 02:12.840 --> 02:19.076 Mme seo pele e neng e le mosebetsi oa sehlopha – ho na le sehlopha sa lik'hamera, ho na le mohlophisi – ka mor'a moo se 02:19.076 --> 02:22.839 ile sa tlameha ho etsoa mohato ka mohato ke motho a le mong. 02:22.839 --> 02:28.043 Ehlile, sena se ile sa etsahala hape ka ho etswa ha seterateng sena ka mokgwa wa dijithale. Empa mabapi 02:28.043 --> 02:30.755 le diteng, ha e le hantle, tsa mpefala le ho feta. 02:30.755 --> 02:38.400 Empa se neng se le bohlokoa, mme le jwale se ntse se le bohlokoa, ke hore ke fumane thuto e ntle haholo. 02:38.400 --> 02:42.480 Ka lilemo tse ka bang 20 joale, litlaleho le lifilimi tsa lona tsa tlaleho li 'nile tsa tsepamisa 02:42.480 --> 02:45.500 maikutlo khafetsa likhokahanong tsa mohala oa letsoho. 02:45.500 --> 02:52.480 U ile oa hlokomela joang hore karolo ena e itseng ea thuto ke mosebetsi oa bophelo ba hau? 02:52.480 --> 02:57.647 Hantle, se etsahetseng kannete ke hore batho ba nang le kutlo e feteletseng ho motlakase ba 02:57.647 --> 03:00.486 ile ba atamela ho 'na bophelong ba ka ba botho. 03:00.486 --> 03:07.912 Ba ile ba re ba utlwa hore ke tshwere mohala wa letsoho. Mme qalong ke ile ka nahana hore ba a hlanya hanyane. 03:07.912 --> 03:17.383 Empa kopanong ya rona e latelang, batho bana ba mphile buka e ngotsweng ke rasaense wa Moamerika ya bitswang Ngaka George 03:17.383 --> 03:27.088 Carlo, ya kileng a etsa dipatlisiso molemong wa indasteri pakeng tsa 1993 le 1999 mme a ngola buka ena mmoho le moqolotsi wa 03:27.088 --> 03:34.602 ditaba wa Washington Post ya bitswang Martin Schram, eo ho yona a neng a pheta maiphihlelo a hae 03:34.602 --> 03:38.805 le indasteri – indasteri e ne e le moreki wa hae. 03:38.805 --> 03:46.833 O ne a fumane mathata, mme ana ha a ka a tsebisoa sechaba ka tsela e neng e hlokahala. 03:46.833 --> 03:51.852 Mme George Carlo enwa o ne a na le dintho tse pedi tseo a neng a tse tsepamisitse maikutlo ho tsona 03:51.852 --> 03:55.519 bophelong ba hae, kaha o ne a ithutetse bongaka le molao. 03:55.519 --> 03:58.560 Mme ba ne ba kgethile molekane ya fosahetseng wa boitlhakiso. 03:58.560 --> 04:05.137 Monna eo o ile a tsoela pele mme a leka ho hlophisa le ho thusa ho theha dinyewe kgahlanong le indasteri e kgolo ya 04:05.137 --> 04:11.900 mehala ya letsoho, hape le ho sutumelletsa taba ena kaofela pele ho itshetlehilwe diphuputsong tsa hae tsa saense. 04:11.900 --> 04:17.606 Ka mantsoe a mang, e ne e le pale e ntle haholo eo, ka mokhoa o makatsang, ho neng ho se na ea e tsotellang. 04:17.606 --> 04:24.500 Mme ka tswa butle-butle ho kena taba ena, e akaretsang mefuta e mengata haholo ya dihlooho. 04:26.149 --> 04:32.439 E, ka lifilimi tsa hau u thehile kamano le litsebi tse tummeng lekaleng lena. U sa tsoa bua ka George Carlo. 04:32.439 --> 04:39.412 Na o ka fana ka maikutlo ka bokgutshwane ka sena? O kopane le ditsebi dife tse ding, mme maikutlo a tsona ke afe? 04:39.412 --> 04:47.986 Hantle, filimi ea ka ea pele-pele, e ileng ea phatlalatsoa thelevisheneng ea Fora ka 2006, e ne e shebane le 04:47.986 --> 04:56.333 linyeoe tse khahlanong le indasteri ea mehala ea thekeng, tse thehiloeng liphuputsong tsa saense. 04:56.333 --> 05:04.938 Mme taba yohle e ne e thehilwe paleng ya George Carlo, ya ileng a senngwa seriti kamora hore a buele phatlalatsa. 05:04.938 --> 05:11.035 Ha e le hantle, ka tlhahisoleseding ya bohlokwa ya tshireletso ya bareki e tswang dipatlisisong tsa yona tsa 05:11.035 --> 05:17.188 saense, empa e tsheheditswe ka ditjhelete ke indasteri, e ile ya hlahisa diphetho tse kotsi haholo. 05:17.188 --> 05:26.006 Mme ha tshebetso ena e ntse e tswela pele, ha re re, paleng ena ya pele, e neng e hasitswe ka 2006 ho setsi sa phatlalatso sa 05:26.006 --> 05:33.765 mmuso wa Fora, France Deux, ke ile ka kopana le rasaense a le mong kapa ba babedi ka thuso ya George Carlo, eo 05:33.765 --> 05:41.586 ka nako eo a neng a sa fumana mathata feela, empa le ditharollo. Hoo le hona ho ne ho kgahla haholo. 05:41.586 --> 05:46.506 Ho ne ho e-na le seo ho thoeng ke Noisefield Univesithing ea Washington. 05:46.506 --> 06:00.099 Ha e le hantle, batho ba ileng ba sibolla sena, lebitsong la indasteri, e leng sesole, ba ile ba bua ka eona pepenene. 06:00.099 --> 06:06.147 Ba mpoleletse hore Motorola e ne e le mofepedi wa sesole. Motorola, ehlile, ke 06:06.147 --> 06:09.846 pula-madiboho dipuisanong tsa mehala ya letsoho. 06:09.846 --> 06:16.511 Mme Motorola e ile ya fuwa mosebetsi ho bona hore na ho ka fumaneha ho hong ho ka etsang hore 06:16.511 --> 06:21.366 mahlaseli a se sebetse, empa a ntse a dumella puisano. 06:21.366 --> 06:26.953 Mme yaba ba qeta dilemo tse leshome ba etsa dipatlisiso ka sena mme ba sibolla seo ho tsejwang e le tshimong ya lerata. 06:26.953 --> 06:35.353 Mme kamora hore ba hlahise sena ho Motorola, boenjiniere ba ne ba thabetse haholo qalong. 06:35.353 --> 06:45.766 Ho na le Moprofesa Lipowitz, eo le bona bafuputsi ba mo tsebang, mme o se a hlokahetse. 06:45.766 --> 06:49.698 Empa moemeli wa hae yaba o tswelapele ka tsohle. 06:49.698 --> 06:58.384 Baenjiniere ba chesehang ba Motorola ba ile ba ntan'o nkeloa sebaka butle-butle ke babuelli ba molao, ba ileng ba 06:58.384 --> 07:04.206 qetella ba phatlalatsa hore seo u se sibollotseng mona ha se eo. 07:04.206 --> 07:10.308 Leha ho le jwalo sesole se ile sa e sebedisa ho sireletsa bashanyana ba sona khahlanong le mahlaseli, ha re ka rialo. 07:10.308 --> 07:17.657 Empa ha a ka a e lokolla kaofela hobane ho ke ke ha e-ba le mathata, kaha ho na le linyeoe tse ntseng li tsoela 07:17.657 --> 07:25.113 pele ka nako e tšoanang 'me linyeoe tse kholo tsa sehlopha li ka etsa hore indasteri eohle e putlehe. 07:25.113 --> 07:26.940 Hantle, hoo ho ne ho thabisa haholo. 07:26.940 --> 07:33.994 Mosebetsing oa ka o tsoelang pele, ke ile ka khona ho ithuta ka liphuputso tsa Europe ka ho 07:33.994 --> 07:37.794 khetheha, hobane George Carlo o ile a kenngoa. 07:37.794 --> 07:46.344 Ho na le filimi ea Thank You for Calling, moo ke bontšang sena hanyane 'me ke kena ka har'a lilaboratori tsa batho ba kang Kundi 07:46.344 --> 07:55.359 le Moosgöller, ke hore, Michael Kundi oa MedUni Vienna, ngaka ea litšebetso tseo hape a entseng lipatlisiso molemong oa naha. 07:55.359 --> 08:00.813 Ebe ho na le batho ba kang Willi Moosgöller, eo ha e le hantle e leng mophuputsi oa mofetše. 08:00.813 --> 08:04.633 Ke kamoo ke ileng ka tseba Moprofesa Adlkofer kateng. 08:04.633 --> 08:10.286 Mabitso a maholo – batho ba nang le tsebo e itseng ka taba ena ba tla a tseba. 08:10.286 --> 08:20.338 O ne a qalile Phuputso ea Reflex, e leng phuputso ea Europe, eo hamorao ho ileng ha lekoa ho e nyenyefatsa 08:20.338 --> 08:25.900 ka ho re ke phuputso e laetsoeng kapa e qhekeletsoeng. 08:25.900 --> 08:30.206 Hantle, hoo ho ne ho kgahla haholo. O bona paterone ena kgafetsa-kgafetsa. 08:30.206 --> 08:37.807 Batho bohle ba sibollotseng ho hong ba haneloa ke sehlopha sa tšusumetso, se fumanang tšehetso e kholo ea lichelete 08:37.807 --> 08:42.559 ho tsoa indastering, 'me maemong a mang, ba boela ba tlosoa. 08:42.559 --> 08:46.626 Hantle-ntle ena ke maemo a tlokotsi, haholoholo ho rona bareki. 08:46.626 --> 08:49.793 Empa hape re na le tšireletso khahlanong le mahlaseli Jeremane, 'me ba etsa mosebetsi o 08:49.793 --> 08:53.113 motle oa ho re sireletsa khahlanong le mahlaseli. 08:55.539 --> 08:59.773 E, o se o ntse o hakantse potso e latelang hanyane ka maikutlo a hao. 08:59.773 --> 09:03.002 Bo-ramahlale ba bang, hoo e ka bang kaofela ha bona, ha e le hantle ba mpa ba fana ka tumello 09:03.002 --> 09:05.306 feela tabeng ea likhokahano tsa mehala ea letsoho. 09:05.306 --> 09:10.314 Ke nahana hore mabaka a se a hlakile ho tsoa ho se sa tsoa buuoa. 09:10.314 --> 09:14.904 E, ho na le libuka tse ling tse khahlang haholo mabapi le taba ena. Hase ketsahalo feela e 09:14.904 --> 09:17.633 fumanehang mecheng ea mehala ea letsoho kajeno. 09:17.633 --> 09:22.935 Ho tshwana indastering, indastering ya dijo jwalo-jwalo. 09:22.935 --> 09:30.659 Hantle, ho na le libuka tse peli tsa Moprofesa Kreis, eo hape a hlahang filiming ea ka ea morao-rao, "The Digital Dilemma". 09:30.659 --> 09:37.480 Christian Kreis o ngotse: "Patlisiso e rekilweng" le "saense e rekilweng." 09:37.480 --> 09:48.787 Mme o hlalosa ka ho hlaka hore na batho ba sa tsamaellaneng le letshwele, ha re ka rialo, ba senngwa seriti, ba falliswa, 09:48.787 --> 09:54.700 mme ba tshoswa. Ha e le hantle, ho na le maemo a fapaneng. 09:54.700 --> 10:02.973 Mme qalong, le nna ke ne ke sa tsebe letho haholo. Ke ne ke sa nahane hore bobe bo jwalo bo ka ba teng moo. 10:02.973 --> 10:08.548 Empa ka bomalimabe ho jwalo feela, hobane re na le indasteri ya lefatshe ka bophara, ehlile. Re 10:08.548 --> 10:11.638 na le thekenoloji e kgahlang, ha ho potso ka hoo. 10:11.638 --> 10:18.020 Re bua ka bobedi ka monyetla ona wa dijithale jwalo jwalo jwalo. 10:18.020 --> 10:21.446 Kaofela ha rona re sebedisa mehala ya letsoho. Ha re e kgahlanong. 10:21.446 --> 10:29.493 Empa seo re ileng ra se bona hape le maemong a motho ka mong ke hore ka nako e 'ngoe ho ne ho le thata haholo ho se pepesa. 10:29.493 --> 10:38.126 Empa ho na le, mohlala, ICNIRP – Komisi ea Machaba ea Tšireletso khahlanong le Mahlaseli a sa Ionising. 10:38.126 --> 10:42.413 Mme ICNIRP e fumaneha Ofising ya Federale ya Tshireletso kgahlanong le Mahlaseli mme e tshehetswa ka 10:42.413 --> 10:45.153 ditjhelete ke tjhelete ya balefi ba lekgetho ba Jeremane. 10:45.153 --> 10:52.532 Ho na le tlaleho eo ho thoeng ke ea ICNIRP e entsoeng ke mosebetsi-'moho le rona oa Munich, Moprofesa Buchner, ka 10:52.532 --> 11:00.900 tšebelisano-'moho le Michelle Rivasi, Setho sa Paramente ea Europe se tsoang Fora, eo ka bomalimabe a seng a hlokahetse. 11:00.900 --> 11:06.520 U ka boela ua e khoasolla e le faele ea PDF ho tsoa webosaeteng ea Competence Initiative. 11:06.520 --> 11:13.099 Ditho ka bonngwe tsa khomishene ena, e behang maemo le meedi ya tshireletso kgahlanong le mahlaseli ya 11:13.099 --> 11:19.953 matjhaba, di ile tsa fuputswa, mme ha fumaneha hore kaofela ha tsona di na le dikamano le indasteri. 11:19.953 --> 11:26.859 Kahoo le bona ba lefuoa ke indasteri; tsena ke lintlha feela tse hlahisitsoeng mona. 11:26.859 --> 11:34.803 Mme e ka ba ntho e kgahlang haholo ho mang kapa mang ya nang le thahasello ho sheba tlaleho ena eo ho buuwang ka 11:34.803 --> 11:39.315 yona ya ICNIRP, moo o tla fumana kapele seo o se batlang. 11:39.315 --> 11:48.906 Sehlopha sa basebetsi-'moho se bitsoang Investigate Europe le sona se akarelitse sena hantle haholo. 11:48.906 --> 11:57.108 Mme hape ke bontsha sena filiming ya ka e ntjha. Kahoo, das-digitale-dilemma.de (kamehla e na le hyphen pakeng) e 11:57.108 --> 12:02.360 fana ka temohisiso e ngata, ha nka iketsetsa papatso e nyane. 12:02.360 --> 12:05.740 E, ehlile. 12:05.740 --> 12:12.420 E, leha mananeo a lona a litokomane a ne a lula a tsosa khang e kholo, haholoholo mabapi le bophelo bo botle ba batho bohle, a 12:12.420 --> 12:18.093 ile a bontšoa hang feela – joalokaha u boletse pejana – lenaneong la litokomane thelevisheneng ea Fora, 'me 12:18.093 --> 12:24.000 Jeremane a bontšoa feela ka mokhoa o khutsufalitsoeng le ntle le tsebiso efe kapa efe ea lenaneo. 12:24.000 --> 12:28.862 Joaloka motho ea ka hare, u bile le maiphihlelo afe le se bitsoang sechaba se akaretsang 12:28.862 --> 12:32.020 mabapi le taba ea likhokahano tsa mehala ea letsoho? 12:32.020 --> 12:36.733 E, hantle, e ne e le phihlelo e matla haholo. 12:36.733 --> 12:43.134 Kahoo, filimi ea pele-pele e ne e le tlhahiso e laetsoeng ke France Deux Paris. Ka nako eo, ho ne ho ntse ho e-na le hlooho 12:43.134 --> 12:47.046 ea boqapi ba lifilimi tsa bopaki e neng e bulehile menahanong. 12:47.046 --> 12:54.139 Mme a re: Bona, o Mojeremane, mohlomong o na le kgetho ya tshebedisano-mmoho, mohlala, kgetho ya 12:54.139 --> 13:01.920 tlhahiso-mmoho le ARD. Ke a mo tseba motho moo, mohlophisi-moholo ya nang le kelello e bulehileng ho MDR. 13:01.920 --> 13:10.866 Mme le nna ke ne ke mo tseba, kahoo ka ikopanya le yena mme a re, "Ho lokile, ha re etseng jwalo. Re hloka metsotso e 45." 13:10.866 --> 13:15.826 Mafora a ne a hloka metsotso e 50 ho isa ho e 52 bakeng sa sebopeho sa bona sa khaso. 13:15.826 --> 13:22.319 Mme ke ne ke tshepisitswe hore taba yohle e tla phatlalatswa hape ho ARD, e leng kanale e kgolo. 13:22.319 --> 13:28.386 E ne e bontšoa nakong e ka sehloohong ea phatlalatso naheng ea Fora. Mme ea phetisoa makhetlo a 'maloa. 13:28.386 --> 13:31.900 Mageremane qalong ba ile ba patela filimi ka k'habineteng ea chefo. 13:31.900 --> 13:32.626 Ho lokile 13:32.626 --> 13:40.891 Empa hape ke lokela ho bolela hore filimi e ne e na le sehlooho se phatlalalitsoeng likoranteng: Portables 13:40.891 --> 13:46.013 en accusation – se bolelang mehala ea letsoho e qosoa. 13:46.013 --> 13:55.180 Mme sehlooho sena se ile sa fetolwa hanyane mantsiboyeng a phatlalatso tlasa kgatello ya babuelli ba molao ba indasteri. 13:55.180 --> 13:59.985 E boletse: USA: Mehala ea thekeng qosong. 13:59.985 --> 14:13.780 Mme ra tlameha ho dumellana ho kenyeletsa mongolo ditabeng tsa diteboho o bolelang hore WHO e laola ntho tsohle. 14:13.780 --> 14:16.340 Kahoo ha e le hantle ha ho na bothata. 14:16.340 --> 14:22.600 Leha tsohle tse etsahalang filiming li etsahala mane, re ile ra tlameha ho kenyelletsa 14:22.600 --> 14:26.613 tlatsetso ena ho tiisetsa bashebelli, ha re ka rialo. 14:26.613 --> 14:34.580 Baemeli ba molao ba ka hare ho setsi sa phatlalatso ba ne ba le bothateng bo boholo. Mme ke ile ka tlameha ho dumellana le bona. 14:34.580 --> 14:38.486 Ke bile le monyetla oa ho re, ho lokile, he, ha re na ho e romela ho hang. 14:38.486 --> 14:44.500 Kapa ke tla dumellana le diphetoho tsena tse nyane. Ke moo e qalileng teng, ke taba e kgahlang feela. 14:44.500 --> 14:50.920 Ho etsoa chelete e ngata e makatsang moo. Mme batho ha ba rate ha seo se sitisoa. 14:50.920 --> 14:57.613 Kahoo ho bile le tlatsetso ea pele ea bohlokoa, e bileng teng ka 1993 lenaneong la lipuisano Amerika. 14:57.613 --> 15:04.733 Ka lebaka leo, diabo tsa Motorola di theohile ka 10% ka hare ho beke. 15:04.733 --> 15:10.547 Mme ehlile ba ile ba arabela mme ba tlatsa maemo ohle e le hore ho se ke ha etsahala phoso, 15:10.547 --> 15:13.655 ebe ba latela taba eo mecheng ya phatlalatso. 15:13.655 --> 15:19.246 Hobane se latelang se etsahetse ho ARD, e leng slash MDR. 15:19.246 --> 15:26.280 Ha ba ka ba ntsebisa ho hang. Ba ne ba dula ba re: Ho lokile, re tla e romela ka nako e nngwe, re tla o tsebisa. 15:26.280 --> 15:33.894 Mme ha selemo se le makgela, ke ile ka fumana mohala o tswang ho mongodi letsatsi pele ho phatlalatso, ya itseng: 15:33.894 --> 15:43.500 Re tla bontša lenaneo hosane, empa re fokotse metsotso e 30 – kapa hantle-ntle, che, re le khutsufalitse hore e be metsotso e 30. 15:43.500 --> 15:49.540 Ke ne ke fane ka metsotso e 45 e neng e kopiloe mme hape ke lefile bakeng sa eona. 15:49.540 --> 15:56.426 Mme ka hlokomela hore ho ne ho se na tsebiso ya lenaneo bakeng sa ntlha ena. 15:56.426 --> 16:00.849 Kahoo ke ile ka letsetsa basebetsi-'moho le 'na ba Süddeutsche Zeitung. Hobane ka nako eo, ba ne ba ntse 16:00.849 --> 16:05.087 ba na le karolo e thahasellisang haholo ea mecha ea litaba, e neng e boetse e nyatsa. 16:05.087 --> 16:07.660 Mme ka ba tsebisa ka kgokahano ena. 16:07.660 --> 16:13.555 Mme yaba ba ikopanya le mohasisi mme, ho fapana le nna, ba fumana karabo, e neng e le hore: 16:13.555 --> 16:18.280 Filimi e ne e haelloa ke kgokahano ya Jeremane. 16:18.280 --> 16:24.580 Mme ka shebella filimi letsatsing le hlahlamang ka nako ya yona ya phatlalatso ka hora ya leshome hoseng. 16:24.580 --> 16:30.320 Tšupiso ea Jeremane le eona e ne e le sieo; ba ile ba e tlosa ka bo bona. 16:30.320 --> 16:35.357 Hantle, ke kamoo ke e phumanoeng kateng, e leng ntho e hlileng e sa kholoeheng. 16:35.357 --> 16:41.159 Empa ke kamoo mehato ea thibelo e qalileng kateng, lilemo tse mashome a mabeli tse 16:41.159 --> 16:45.400 fetileng. Eaba ke sheba hore na sena se amana le eng. 16:45.400 --> 16:50.661 Selemong seo, ba ne ba na le T-Mobile e le molekane oa Liki ea Bolo ea Maoto ea Jeremane. 16:50.661 --> 16:56.994 Ba ne ba sa ikemela ho kheloha moreki oa bona ea hloahloa, moreki oa bona ea hloahloa oa papatso – ea neng a 16:56.994 --> 17:03.760 kenya lidolara tse makholo a likete ka selemo mme a ba tšehetsa ho fumana litokelo tsa Bundesliga. 17:03.760 --> 17:07.633 Ntlheng ena, ho ne ho sa buuoe ka boomo ka mohlala oa Majeremane. 17:07.633 --> 17:14.706 Kahoo e, kajeno nka tsheha ka yona. Ka nako eo, ke ile ka nahana, Modimo waka, o etsang? 17:14.706 --> 17:17.619 Ha ke a rutoa ho e etsa jwalo. 17:17.619 --> 17:24.021 E. Joaloka moqolotsi oa litaba, u bona menyetla efe hore bashebelli ba rona ba ka loantša 17:24.021 --> 17:29.206 maqheka ana a mecha ea phatlalatso e laolang litaba? 17:29.206 --> 17:35.914 Hantle, o se o ntse o sebedisa menyetla e teng ho fihlela jwale. 17:35.914 --> 17:44.140 Hantle, le 'na ke bile le maikutlo a ka ka tlas'a letlalo, hobane, ha re re, ka kakaretso ke nyatso e matla haholo, esita le 17:44.140 --> 17:49.978 har'a batho ba nyatsang likhokahano tsa mohala, mohlala. Ha o ratoe hohle, e leng ntho e 17:49.978 --> 17:54.386 soabisang. Ke mohlotsoi feela ea tsebang hore na hobaneng. 17:54.386 --> 17:58.646 Empa ba thunya hohle moo ba ka khonang. 17:58.646 --> 18:05.446 Mme ke utlwile sena hoo ke hlileng ke nahanang hore, ho lekane. 18:05.446 --> 18:12.175 Mme monyetla o le mong feela, ka pono ya ka, hajwale o itshetlehile bokgoning le matleng a 18:12.175 --> 18:16.140 mecha ya phatlalatso e fapaneng, haholoholo. 18:16.140 --> 18:29.620 Mme hape ke ile ka sheba, mohlala, ketsahalo e neng e le Prague, moo Auf1 e neng e hlophisitse AWEF ena. O ne o le teng. 18:29.620 --> 18:36.310 Mme ho ne ho ena le basebetsi-mmoho ba neng ba le teng ba ileng ba bua ka ho otloloha mme ba hlalosa dintho, jwalo ka ha 18:36.310 --> 18:39.999 ba ne ba lokela ho etsa. Mme ha ba sa dumellwa ho nka karolo. 18:39.999 --> 18:46.973 Kahoo, ha e le hantle, o lokela ho mema batho ba bileng teng hoo e ka bang beke e 'ngoe le e 'ngoe. 18:46.973 --> 18:52.115 Empa ke difahleho tse tshwanang tsa dipolotiki kamehla. Indasteri, dipolotiki le mecha ya 18:52.115 --> 18:55.886 phatlalatso kannete di bapala papadi ya mano matsatsing ana. 18:55.886 --> 18:59.740 Taba ena e fihlile boemong bo sa mamelleheng. 18:59.740 --> 19:06.536 Kahoo haeba o tseba hanyane ka mosebetsi wa boraditaba, ho ya ka lepetjo... seo ke ileng ka se utlwa, 19:06.536 --> 19:13.633 basebetsimmoho le nna le bona ba ile ba mpolella ka ho hlaka: ha o sa bapale mmoho le bona, o a tswa. 19:13.633 --> 19:19.840 Ke tswile. Mme ke thabile ka hona. 19:19.840 --> 19:23.960 Empa joale ke kenile, Martin. 19:25.686 --> 19:31.366 Ee, e re ke e behe tjena. Ke fumana maikutlo a hore mehopolo e nyatsang ha e amohelehe. 19:31.366 --> 19:39.842 Kahoo, ha ho tluwa mananeong a dipuisano a ntseng a le teng letsatsi le letsatsi, hangata ke fumana maikutlo a hore ke batho 19:39.842 --> 19:47.499 ba bang le ba bang hape ba memwang kgafetsa, ho ena le ho tlohela dintho hore di itlele le ho dumella maikutlo a 19:47.499 --> 19:51.786 mang ho utlwahala, tsohle di hlophisitswe. Ke nnete eo. 19:51.786 --> 19:56.786 Mme tsena ke maemo feela ao, ka pono ya ka, a seng a sa tlhole a le a demokerasi. Mme seo 19:56.786 --> 20:00.580 ke se fumanang se utlwisa bohloko haholo-holo. 20:00.580 --> 20:08.556 Le nna ke soetsehile haholo. Joaloka moshebelli, o na le maikutlo a mangata a fapaneng, 'me ha ke sa khona 20:08.556 --> 20:12.980 le ho e shebella, ke bolela lenaneo le tloaelehileng. 20:12.980 --> 20:16.340 Hobane mofuta ona oa ho beha lintho ka tsela e itseng o etsahala khafetsa. 20:16.340 --> 20:23.238 Kahoo, e re ke bolele lentswe la sehlooho: ntoa ya tlhaselo ya Russia. E, hoo ho tiiswa kgafetsa ka dipolelo tse mmalwa. 20:23.238 --> 20:30.618 Mme ke ntho feela e etsahalang boemong boo mme e sebediswa ka mano, esita le karolong ya bonono le 20:30.618 --> 20:34.636 setso, mohlomong ho kenya batho maikutlong a yona. 20:34.636 --> 20:41.533 Mme eo ke feela tsela e fosahetseng le e sa hlokeng ho ba leeme ya ho fetisa tlhahisoleseding. 20:41.533 --> 20:48.742 Mme ha ke bone mehopolo e nyatsang e lumelloa ho hlahisa maikutlo a yona, esita le mananeong a bitswang a dipuisano, 20:48.742 --> 20:52.383 e leng ntho eo ke e fumanang e utlwisa bohloko haholo. 20:52.383 --> 20:57.517 Kahoo qalong ea seoa sa coronavirus, ho ne ho e-na le baemeli ba le mong kapa ba babeli ba neng ba hlahisa 20:57.517 --> 21:00.940 lipelaelo tse matla, joalo ka Wolfgang Wodarg le ba bang. 21:00.940 --> 21:06.708 O ile a bonwa hape qalong, mme yaba o kgutsiswa ke mecha ya phatlalatso. 21:06.708 --> 21:12.565 Ho fapana le hoo, batho ba kang Sucharit Bhakdi ba bile ba qosoa ka molao le ho 21:12.565 --> 21:16.926 khutsisoa, kapa ho bile le liteko tsa ho ba khutsisa. 21:16.926 --> 21:21.629 Mme ke batho ba babatsehang hakakang. O etsang moo? 21:21.629 --> 21:29.593 Hantle, hoo ha ke ho kholoe. Empa leha ho le joalo, meeli e tloaelehileng. 21:29.593 --> 21:36.560 E, mme ke hona moo ke nahanang hore ho lokela ho etswa ho hong ka hona, mme seo ha e le hantle se sebetsa hantle haholo. 21:36.560 --> 21:44.826 Hantle, ke nahana hore re bangata ba seng re sa thetsehe le ba ntseng ba iketsetsa tsa bona, e mong le e mong ka tsela ea hae. 21:44.826 --> 21:48.766 Ho na le mefuta eohle ea mekhoa le litsebo tse fapaneng. 21:48.766 --> 21:52.761 Empa ke nahana hore sena se bitsoa boitšoaro ba mecha ea phatlalatso ea demokrasi, boo ke bo fumanang 21:52.761 --> 21:56.526 bo thabisang ebile bo mebala-bala ka mokhoa o hlollang – ke kamoo ho lokelang ho ba kateng. 21:56.526 --> 22:03.018 Mme ke hona moo le nna ke lekang ho etsa karolo ya ka. Ka thuso ya mekgatlo e metle 22:03.018 --> 22:08.232 jwalo ka mokgatlo wa WIR naheng ya Switzerland. 22:08.232 --> 22:13.173 Bana ke batho ba nang le mesebetsi e mengata haholo. 22:13.173 --> 22:19.976 Empa hobane ke boetse ke entse ho hong le bona mme ka atlehisa dintho ka thuso ya bona, ke iphumana ke 22:19.976 --> 22:23.970 sutiseditswe le ka lehlakoreng la mapheo a letona. 22:23.970 --> 22:30.166 Kahoo e le ho tsoa har'a rona! Hoo ho tšabeha haholo, ho qabolang, ebile ho hlabisang lihlong. 22:30.166 --> 22:35.860 Empa, leha ho le jwalo, le nna ha ke batle ho sebetsa ka bohale. 22:35.860 --> 22:42.177 Seo re se hlokang ke thuto ea bareki le tšireletso ea bona. Ho fihlella sena, bareki ka bo bona ba tlameha ho iketsetsa 22:42.177 --> 22:47.615 maikutlo. Eseng feela ho ipapisitse le seo ba se bonang litabeng. 22:47.615 --> 22:55.910 E, ke nahana hore har'a batho bana bohle ba bang, se hlileng se nkhahlileng mona AWEF e bile bonngoe bona feela. 22:55.910 --> 23:05.026 Bonngoe bona har'a batho bohle ba ntseng ba leka ho iketsetsa maikutlo kae-kae le ho bo tšehetsa tšebetsong eo. 23:05.026 --> 23:10.278 Mme ke nahana hore sena se ntse se etsahala haholo le ho feta, hore ehlile ho na le, a re re, mekgwa ena e fapaneng eo ka yona 23:10.278 --> 23:15.257 batho ba sebetsang, motho a etsa ka tsela e itseng mme e mong a etsa ka e nngwe, empa ha e le hantle ha ho na taba, hobane le 23:15.257 --> 23:17.974 na le sepheo se le seng: ho fa batho tlhahisoleseding e batsi. 23:17.974 --> 23:22.439 Leha ho le jwalo, motho e mong le e mong o tlameha ho iketsetsa maikutlo a hae. Hase bothata. 23:22.439 --> 23:27.917 E, Monghadi Scheidsteger, re a leboha haholo ka puisano ena e kgutshwane. Re o lakaletsa katleho e tswelang 23:27.917 --> 23:33.492 pele ho sohle seo o se etsang mme re tshepa hore o tla tswela pele ho nka maikutlo a tshekatsheko. 23:33.492 --> 23:36.226 Kea leboha haholo, le be le mahlohonolo. E, ke thabela.