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Ndonwabe kakhulu ukwamkela umenzi weefilimu zophando
uKlaus Scheidsteger kwi-Kla.tv kudliwanondlebe lwanamhlanje.

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Mnu. Scheidsteger, abaninzi kubabukeli bethu abakakazi.

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Ungazichazela ngokufutshane usazise kancinci ngomsebenzi wakho?

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Ewe, ndingavuya kakhulu. Enkosi ngokundimema kule dliwano-ndlebe.

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Kuye kusenzeka kakhulu mva nje. Ndivuyiswe kakhulu, ewe.

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Ewe, ndingentatheli kamabonakude ngomsebenzi.

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Ndafunda ubuntatheli kwiYunivesithi yaseDortmund
kwaye ndandingomnye wamaqela okuqala ngelo xesha.

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Le ndlela intsha kwizifundo zam ezijolise kubuchule
iphelele kwi-internship emva kwesidanga sam esiphakathi,

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endikwazileyo ukuyigqibezela eWestdeutscher Rundfunk eCologne.

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Loo nto yayikwixesha apho kwakungekho zikhulumi zabucala.

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Ewe, ibisengumboniso wemibuzo yentatheli.

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Nabani na owayenombono olungileyo wayevunyelwa
ukuwuphumeza; kwakungekho nzuliselo okanye enye into.

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Kwaye yayiyixesha elimnandi ngokwenene, la
yayingeminyaka yam yokukhula endayithanda kakhulu.

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Inkqubela elandelayo yaba kukunikezelwa kweelayisensi kubasasazi
abazimeleyo. Ndineminyaka engama-30

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ubudala, ngo-1984, ndaseka inkampani yam yokuvelisa
iifilimu kwidolophu yam yokuzalwa i-Essen.

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Ukusuka apho, ndavelisa iindaba zamazwe ngamazwe,
iingxelo kunye neefilimu ezibonisa inyani ndisebenzisa

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izixhobo zam kunye neqela lam, nto leyo eyayiyonwabisa kakhulu.

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Okwethutyana, de kwaba malunga naphakathi
kweminyaka yoo-1990, izinto zaqala ukutshintsha.

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Ngokungathi bathi, ngoku siyazi into ababukeli abafuna
ukuyibona, ngoko ke yekani ngale nto yenu yobukrelekrele

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obungenantsingiselo; akukho mntu ufuna ukuyibona loo nto.

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Kulungile

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Emva koko, ndanciphisa iinkqubo
zenkampani okwethutyana ndaza ndavelisa kwi-Arte.

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Ibisengumthombo wolwazi onentliziyo ivulekileyo, kodwa masithi
nje into endandikhe ndayifunda yalahleka kancinci kancinci.

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Ngoko ke wonke umntu wayecinga ukuba angaba yintatheli.

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Kwaye le nto yayifudula ingumsebenzi wobambiswano –
bekukho iqela lekhamera, bekukho umhleli –

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kwanyanzeleka ukuba yenziwe inyathelo nenyathelo ngumntu omnye.

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Ewe kona, oku kwenzeka nakwisigaba sedijithali sale ndlela.
Kodwa ngokomxholo, imeko yaba mandundu ngakumbi nangakumbi.

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Kodwa eyona nto ibalulekileyo, kwaye isabalulekile
nanamhlanje, kukuba ndafumana imfundo egqwesileyo.

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Kangangeminyaka engama-20 ngoku, iingxelo zenu
kunye neefilimu ezibonisa inyani ziye zagxila

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ngokuphindaphindiweyo kunxibelelwano lweeselula.

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Wabona njani ukuba le ndawo
yezifundo kanye yeyomsebenzi wobomi bakho?

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Kaloku, eyona nto yenzekileyo yeyokuba abantu abachaphazeleka
kakhulu ngumbane bafikelela kum kubomi bam bobuqu.

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Bathi baye vaqonda ukuba ndiphethe ifowuni
ephathwayo. Kwaye ekuqaleni ndacinga ukuba baphambene kancinci.

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Kodwa kwintlanganiso yethu elandelayo, aba bantu bandinika
incwadi yenzululwazi yaseMelika egama linguGqr. George Carlo,

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owayekhe wenza uphando egameni leli shishini phakathi kuka-1993
no-1999 kwaye wayibhale le ncwadi kunye nentatheli yeWashington

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Post egama linguMartin Schram, apho wayebalisa ngamava
akhe ngokwakhe nesi shishini – eli shishini lalingumxhasi wakhe.

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Wayefumene iingxaki, kwaye ezi
zazingazaziswanga eluntwini ngendlela ebifanelekileyo.

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Kwaye lo George Carlo wayenizinto ezimbini eziphambili
ebomini bakhe, njengoko wayefunde ubugqirha nomthetho.

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Kwaye bakhethe iqabane lokulwa elingalunganga.

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Emva koko le ndoda yaqhubeka yazama ukuququzelela nokuncedisa
ekwakheni amatyala asemthethweni nxamnye neshishini

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elikhulu leefowuni eziphathwayo, kwaye yaphakamisa
yonke le nto isekelwe kwiziphumo zayo zenzululwazi.

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Ngamanye amazwi, yayilibali elihle kakhulu, kodwa
okungaqhelekanga kukuba, akukho mntu wayenankathalo ngalo.

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Kwaye ke ndaqala kancinci kancinci ukungena kulo
mbandela, oquka uluhlu olubanzi kakhulu lwezihloko.

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Ewe, ngeefilimu zakho uye waqhagamshelana neengcali
ezaziwayo kule nkalo. Usandokukhankanya uGeorge Carlo.

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Ungaphawula ngokufutshane ngale nto? Ngawaphi
amanye iingcali odibene nazo, kwaye zithini izimvo zazo?

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Ke, ifilimu yam yokuqala kakhulu, eyayisasazwa kumabonakude
waseFransi ngo-2006, yayigxile ikakhulu

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kumatyala aselubala nxamnye neshishini leefowuni
eziphathwayo, isekelwe kwiziphumo zenzululwazi.

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Kwaye yonke le nto yayisekelwe kwibali
likaGeorge Carlo, othe walahlekelwa luthando

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lwabantu emva kokuba ethethe esidlangalaleni.

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Enyanisweni, ngolwazi olubalulekileyo lokukhusela abathengi
oluvela kuphando lwayo lwenzululwazi, kodwa olwaxhaswa

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ngemali ngamashishini, lwaza lwavelisa iziphumo eziyintlekele.

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Kwaye ekuhambeni kwale, masithi, ibali lokuqala, elasasazwa
ngo-2006 kumajelo kaRhulumente waseFransi iFrance Deux, ndiye

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ndadibana nososayensi omnye okanye ababini ngoncedo lukaGeorge
Carlo, othe ngelo xesha wayengafumananga iingxaki kuphela,

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kodwa wawufumene nezisombululo. Loo nto nayo yayinomdla kakhulu.

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Kwakukho le nto yayibizwa ngokuba
yiNoisefield kwiYunivesithi yaseWashington.

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Kanti ke, abantu abafumanise oku, egameni lomkhakha,
ngokukodwa umkhosi, bathetha ngako ngokukhululekileyo.

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Bandixelela ukuba iMotorola ibingumthengisi wemikhosi.
IMotorola, ewe, ingumvulandlela kunxibelelwano lweeselula.

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Kwaye iMotorola yaqeshwa ukuba ibone ukuba kunokufunyanwa into
na eyenza imitha ingasebenzi, kodwa isavumela unxibelelwano.

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Kwaye ke bachitha iminyaka elishumi bephanda ngale
nto baza bafumanisa into eyaziwa njenge-noise field.

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Kwaye emva kokuba beyibonisile le nto
kwaMotorola, iinjineli ekuqaleni zazichulumancile kakhulu.

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Kukho uNjingalwazi Lipowitz,
owaziwa nabaphandi kwaye sele eswelekile.

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Kodwa umlandeli wakhe waza waqhubeka nayo yonke loo nto.

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Iinjineli ezinomdla zaseMotorola zathi ke
zathathelwa indawo ngokuthe ngcembe ngamagqwetha,

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awathi ekugqibeleni into obuyifumene apha yayingekho.

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Noko ke, umkhosi wayisebenzisa ukukhusela
amakhwenkwe awo, kuso eso sikhukula, masithi.

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Kodwa akazange ayikhuphe yonke into ngenxa yokuba akufuneki
kubekho ngxaki, kuba kukho amatyala aqhubekayo

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ngaxeshanye kwaye amatyala amakhulu amaqela
abantu angabangela ukuba wonke umzi-mveliso uwa.

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Ewe, bekuchulumancisa kakhulu.

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Ekuqhubekeni komsebenzi wam, ndakwazi ke ukufunda
ngophando lwaseYurophu ngokukodwa, kuba uGeorge Carlo waziswa.

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Kukho ifilimu ethi Thank You for Calling, apho ndibonisa oku
kancinci ndize ndingene kwiilabhoratri zabantu abanjengoKundi

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noMoosgöller, oko kukuthi uMichael Kundi waseMedUni Vienna,
ugqirha wabasebenzi owayekwenza uphando egameni likarhulumente.

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Kukho abantu abanjengoWilli Moosgöller, ongumphandi wemfiva.

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Ngaloo ndlela ke ndamazi uNjingalwazi Adlkofer.

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Amagama amakhulu – abantu abaqhelene
kancinci nalo mbandela baya kuwazi la.

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Wayeqalise i-Reflex Study, uphando
lwaseYurophu, olwathi kamva kwazanywa nokulugxeka

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njengophando oluyalelweyo okanye oluphandwe ngobuxoki.

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Kulungile, oko bekunika umdla kakhulu.
Ubusoloko ubona le pateni ngokuphindaphindiweyo.

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Bonke abantu abafumanise into ethile
bayachasiwa yilobhi, efumana inkxaso-mali enkulu

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kweli shishini, kwaye kwezinye iimeko, bayasuswa.

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Le yimeko eyintlekele ngokwenene,
ingakumbi kuthi thina abathengi.

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Kodwa nathi sinokhuselo lwemitha eJamani, kwaye
bayenza kakuhle loo nto – basikhusela kwimitha.

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Ewe, sele uliqikelele kancinci
ilizwi elilandelayo ngamagqabaza akho.

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Ezinye ezi zazi ngokuzibiza ngokuba
zizazinzulu, phantse zonke, ngokwenene zisithi

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kulungile nje kwimiba yonxibelelwano lweeselula.

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Ndicinga ukuba izizathu sele zicacile koko kusandul' ukuthethwa.

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Ewe, zikho iincwadi ezinomdla kakhulu ngalo mbandela. Le asiyonto
nje ifumaneka kuphela kunxibelelwano lweeselula namhlanje.

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Kufana kwishishini, kwishishini lokutya njalo njalo.

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Kulungile, kukho iincwadi ezimbini zikaNjingalwazi Kreis, othe
wavela nakwifilimu yam yamva nje, ethi "The Digital Dilemma".

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UChristian Kreis ubhale wathi: "Uphando
oluthengiweyo" kunye "nesayensi ethengiweyo."

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Kwaye uchaza ngokucacileyo ukuba abantu abangahambelaniyo
nesihlwele, masithi, bayachithwa igama, badluliselwe kwenye

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indawo, baze bayaxatyiswa. Zikho iimeko ezahlukeneyo ngokwenene.

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Kwaye ekuqaleni, nam ndandingenabuganga kakhulu.
Andinakucinga nokucinga ukuba ububi obunjalo babulawula apho.

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Kodwa ngelishwa kunjalo nje, kuba
sinoshishino lwehlabathi jikelele, ewe. Sineteknoloji

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enomtsalane, akukho mathandabuzo ngaloo nto.

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Sobabini sithetha ngeli thuba ledijithali njalo njalo njalo.

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Sonke sisebenzisa iifowuni eziphathwayo. Asichasi zona.

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Kodwa into esayibonayo nakwimeko nganye yayikukuba
ngamanye amaxesha kwakunzima kakhulu ukuyityhila.

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Kodwa ikhona, umzekelo, i-ICNIRP – iKomishoni
yeHlabathi yoKhuselo kwiMitha eNgeyiyo i-Ionising.

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Kwaye i-ICNIRP isekelwe kwi-Ofisi yeFederal
yoKhuselo lweRadiyeshini kwaye ixhaswa

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ngemali ngemali yabahlawuli berhafu baseJamani.

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Kukho ingxelo ekuthiwa yi-ICNIRP eyenziwe ligcisa elisebenza
neMuni, uNjingalwazi Buchner, ngentsebenziswano

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noMichelle Rivasi, owayelilungu lePalamente
yaseYurophu elivela eFrance, owasweleka ngelishwa.

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Ungakwazi nokuyikhuphela njengefayile
ye-PDF kwiwebhusayithi ye-Competence Initiative.

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Amalungu ngamnye ale khomishoni, ebeka imigangatho
nemida yokhuseleko lwe-radiation kumazwe ngamazwe, aye

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aphandwa, kwaye kwavela ukuba bonke banobudlelwane neshishini.

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Ngoko ke nabo bayahlawulwa lishishini;
ezi zizinyaniso nje ezenziweyo apha.

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Kwaye kungaba nomdla kakhulu kuye nabani na
onomdla wokujonga le ngxelo kuthiwa yi-ICNIRP,

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apho uza kukufumana ngokukhawuleza oko ukufunayo.

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Iqela labasebenzisani elibizwa ngokuba
yi-Investigate Europe nalo lishwankathele oku kakuhle kakhulu.

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Kwaye ndikwabonisa oku kwifilimu yam entsha. Ngoko ke,
i-das-digitale-dilemma.de (isoloko inohypheni phakathi)

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inika ukuqonda okukhulu, ukuba ndingazikhuthaza kancinci.

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Ewe, kunjalo.

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Ewe, nangona iidocumentary zakho bezisoloko zibangela impikiswano
enkulu, ingakumbi ngokuphathelele kwimpilo yabantu bonke,

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ziboniswe kanye kuphela – njengoko ubusitshilo ngaphambili –
kwidocumentary kumabonakude waseFransi, kwaye

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eJamani ziboniswe kuphela ngokufutshunelweyo kwaye
ngaphandle kwalo naluphi na uhlobo lwesaziso senkqubo.

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Njengomntu ongaphakathi, zeziphi amava owaba
nawo kunye nendlela eqhelekileyo yokucinga

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malunga nomxholo wonxibelelwano lweeselula?

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Ewe, kaloku, yayiyinto eyayibukhali kakhulu.

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Ngoko ke, ifilimu yokuqala kakhulu yaveliswa yiFrance Deux
eParis ngokomyalelo. Ngelo xesha, kwakusekho intloko

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yeefilimu zokwenyani eyayinengqondo evulekileyo kakhulu apho.

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Wathi ke: Jonga, wena ungumJamani, mhlawumbi unokhetho
lokudibanisa, ukhetho lwemboniso edibeneyo

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ne-ARD, umzekelo. Ndiyamazi umntu apho,
umhleli-oyintloko onengqondo evulekileyo kwi-MDR.

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Ndamazi naye ke, ndaqhagamshelana naye waza wathi,
"Kulungile, masiyenze. Sidinga imizuzu engama-45."

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AmaFrentshi afuna imizuzu engama-50
ukuya kuma-52 kwifomathi yabo yokusasaza.

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Kwaye ndathembiswa ukuba yonke le nto iza
kusasazwa kwakhona kwi-ARD, isitishi esiphambili.

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Yabonisa ngexesha eliphambili eFrance.
Yaza yaphindwa izihlandlo eziliqela.

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AmaJamani ekuqaleni afihla ifilimu kwikhabhathi yobuthi.

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Kulungile

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Kodwa kufuneka ndikhankanye nokuba ifilimu
ibinesihloko esasibhengezwa kumaphephandaba: Portables en

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accusation – okuthetha iifowuni eziphathwayo zityholwa.

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Kwaye esi sihloko satshintswa kancinci ngokuhlwa kokusasazwa
phantsi koxinzelelo lwamagqwetha oluvela kweli shishini.

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Kuthethwe: USA: Iifowuni eziphathwayo kwisityholo.

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Kwaye kwanyanzeleka ukuba sivumelane ngokufaka isichazi
kwizibonelelo esithi i-WHO inayo yonke into phantsi kolawulo.

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Ngoko ke akukho ngxaki ngokwenene.

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Nangona yonke into eyenzekayo kwifilimu
yenzeka phaya, kuye kwanyanzeleka ukuba songeze

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le nto ukuze siqinisekise ababukeli, masithi.

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Amagqwetha angaphakathi kumsasazi ayekwimeko enzima
ngokwenene. Kwaye kwafuneka nam ndiyamkele loo nto.

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Ndifumene ithuba lokuthi,
kulungile, ke asisayi kuyithumela kwaphela.

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Okanye ndiza kuhambisana nezi nguqu zincinci.
Yilapho ke eyayiqala khona, yingxoxo nje enomdla.

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Kwenziwa imali eninzi ngokumangalisayo apho.
Kwaye abantu abakuthandi xa oko kuphazanyiswa.

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Ngoko ke, yaba yeyokuqala kakhulu
eyayibalulekileyo, eyenzeka ngo-1993 kwinkqubo yencoko eMelika.

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Ngenxa yoko, izabelo zeMotorola zehla nge-10% kwisithuba seveki.

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Kwaye ke basabela baza bazalisa zonke
izikhundla ukuze kungabikho nto ingahambi

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kakuhle, baza balandelisa loo nto kumajelo eendaba.

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Kuba oku kulandelayo kwenzeke e-ARD, oko kukuthi i-slash MDR.

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Abazange bandazise kwaphela. Babehlala besithi:
Kulungile, siza kukuthumela ngaxa lithile, siza kukwazisa.

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Kwaye ekupheleni konyaka, ndafumana umnxeba osuka
kunobhala ngosuku olungaphambi somsakazo, othe:

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Siza kubonisa inkqubo ngomso, kodwa siyisike imizuzu engama-30
– okanye, hayi, siyifutshanisile yaba yimizuzu engama-30.

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Ndandigqibile imizuzu engama-45 ebifunwe kwaye ndihlawulwe ngayo.

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Kwaye ke ndaqaphela ukuba bekungekho saziso senkqubo sale nto.

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Ngoko ndatsalela umnxeba oogxa bam beSüddeutsche
Zeitung. Kuba ngelo xesha, babenesahluko samajelo

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eendaba esinomdla kakhulu, esaphikisayo kananjalo.

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Ndaye ndabatsalela ingqalelo kubuquqelelo obu.

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Kwaye ke baqhagamshelana nomsaasazi kwaye,
ngokungafaniyo nam, bafumana impendulo,

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eyayithi: Ifilimu yayingenalo unxulumano lwaseJamani.

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Kwaye ke ndayibukela ifilimu ngosuku
olulandelayo ngexesha lokusasazwa lwe-10 kusasa.

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Isalathiso sesiJamani naso besingekho; bazisikile bona ngokwabo.

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Ewe, yiloo ndlela endakubona ngayo,
nto leyo eneneni engakholelekiyo.

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Kodwa ke, ngaloo ndlela laqala amanyathelo
ocenzara, kwiminyaka engama-20 eyadlulayo. Emva koko

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ndaphanda ukuba oku kwakunxulumene nantoni na.

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Ngonyaka olo, babenayo i-T-Mobile
njengeqabane leNdebe yeBhola ekhatywayo yaseJamani.

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Bengengenakukwazi ukuzikhetha oyena mthengi wabo ubalaseleyo,
oyena mthengi wabo ubalaseleyo weentengiso –

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obangenisa amakhulu ezigidi ngonyaka kwaye ebekwazi
ukubaxhasa ekufumaneni amalungelo e-Bundesliga.

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Ngale ndlela, isalathiso sesiJamani sishiywe ngabom.

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Ngoko ke ewe, namhlanje ndiyakwazi ukuhleka
ngako. Ngelo xesha, ndacinga, Thixo wam, wenza ntoni?

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Andifundiswanga ukuyenza ngolo hlobo.

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Ewe. Njengentatheli, zibona zithini amathuba
kubabukeli bethu okuchasa la maqhinga oshicilelo olulawulwayo?

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Kulungile, sele usebenzisa amathuba akhoyo ukuza kuthi ga ngoku.

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Ewe, nam ndiye ndakuba nemvakalelo ethile ngayo, kuba, masithi,
xa iyonke yintlambathlamba enamandla, kwanakubantu abagxeka

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unxibelelwano lweselula. Umzekelo, awudumanga kuyo yonke indawo,
nto leyo elihlazo ngokwenene. Ngumgwebi kuphela owaziyo isizathu.

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Kodwa badubula naphi na apho banako.

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Kwaye ndakuvakalelwa oku kangangokuba ndithi, konele ke.

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Kwaye ithuba ekuphela kwalo, ngokoluvo lwam,
okwangoku lixhomekeke kubuchule namandla

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eendaba ezingezizo ezo zikajikelele ngokukodwa.

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Kwaye ndikwajonge, umzekelo, isiganeko
sasePrague, apho i-Auf1 ilungiselele le AWEF. Wawukho apho.

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Kwakukho nabanye oogxa ababekhona abathethe
ngokucacileyo baza bacacisa izinto, njengoko bekufanele ukuba

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benze. Kwaye abasavumelekanga ukuba bathathe inxaxheba.

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Ngoko ke, eneneni, kufuneka umeme
abantu abebe khona phantse rhoqo ngeveki.

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Kodwa zisoloko zizobuso obunye kwezopolitiko.
I-indasitiri, ezopolitiko kunye namajelo

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eendaba zidlala umdlalo wokukhohlisa kule mihla.

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Le nto iye yehla yaya kwinqanaba elingenakunyamezelwa.

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Ngoko ke, ukuba uyazi kancinci ngobuntatheli,
ngokwentshumayelo... into endayiva yeyokuba oogxa bam nabo

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bandixelele ngokucacileyo: ukuba awudlali kunye nabo, uyaphuma.

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Ndiphume. Kwaye ndiyavuya ngaloo nto.

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Kodwa ngoku ndingaphakathi, Martin.

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Ewe, mandibeke ngolu hlobo. Ndifumana umbono
wokuba iingqondo ezigxekayo azamkelekanga.

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Ngoko ke, xa kuziwa kwiinkqubo zencoko ezibonwayo yonke imihla,
ndihlala ndifumana umbono wokuba ngabantu abafanayo abamenywa

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ngokuphindaphindiweyo, endaweni yokuvumela izinto
zivele kwaye kuviwe nezinye izimvo, yonke into

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ilungiselelwe kwangaphambili. Loo nto iqinisekile.

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Kwaye ezi ziimeko nje ezithi, ngokoluvo lwam,
azisengazothotho. Kwaye ndikufumana oko kulusizi kakhulu-khulu.

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Nam ndidanile kakhulu. Njengomhlalutyi,
uneembono ezininzi ezahlukeneyo, kwaye andisakwazi

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nokuyibukela, ndithetha lenkqubo eqhelekileyo.

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Kuba olu hlobo lokufaka umxholo luyenzeka ngokuphindaphindiweyo.

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Ngoko ke manditsho igama elingundoqo: imfazwe yokuhlasela
yaseRussia. Ewe, loo nto igxininiswa kwisivakalisi ngasinye.

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Kwaye yinto nje eyenzekayo kuloo mgangatho kwaye
isetyenziswa ngobuqhetseba, nkqu nakwisebe lezobugcisa

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nenkcubeko, mhlawumbi ukuze abantu baye bavakala ngayo.

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Kwaye loo nto yindlela nje engeyiyo
nengenabuchule yokudlulisela ulwazi.

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Kwaye andiboni iingqondo ezigxekayo zivunyelwa
ukuvakalisa izimvo zazo, nkqu nakwii-talk show

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ekuthiwa zinjalo, nto leyo endiyifumana ilusizi kakhulu.

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Ngoko ke ekuqaleni kobhubhane
we-coronavirus, kwakukho ummeli omnye okanye abambalwa

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ababexhokonxa, abanjengoWolfgang Wodarg nabanye.

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Waphinda wabonakala ekuqaleni, waza
emva koko wathulisiwa ngamajelo eendaba.

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Ngokwahlukileyo koko, abantu abanjengoSucharit Bhakdi baye
batyholwa de bathulwe, okanye kwenziwe iinzame zokubathulisa.

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Kwaye bangabantu abamangalisayo kangaka. Wenza ntoni?

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Ewe, oko akukholeleki kum. Kodwa
nangona kunjalo, ngamaxabiso aqhelekileyo.

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Ewe, kwaye kulapho ke ndicinga ukuba kufuneka
kwenziwe into ngako, kwaye oko kusebenza kakuhle kakhulu.

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Ewe, ndicinga ukuba baninzi kuthi
abasakhohliswayo nabasenza izinto zabo, ngamnye ngendlela yakhe.

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Kukho zonke iintlobo zeemikhwa nezakhono ezahlukeneyo.

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Kodwa ndicinga ukuba kubizwa ngokuba yindlela
yokuziphatha yemidiya yedemokhrasi, endiyifumana

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inomtsalane kwaye inomibala emangalisayo – kufanele kube njalo.

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Kwaye kulapho ke nam ndizama ukwenza indima yam, ngoncedo
lwemibutho emangalisayo efana nombutho i-WIR waseSwitzerland.

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Aba ngabantu abenza izinto ezininzi ngaxeshanye.

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Kodwa ngenxa yokuba nam ndenze into kunye nabo
ndaza ndaphakamisa izinto ngenxa yoncedo lwabo,

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ndiye ndityhalelwa kwikona yabaphiko lasekunene.

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Ngoko ke ivela phakathi kwethu! Oko
kuyamangalisa kakubi, kuyahlekisa, kwaye kuyahlazisa.

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Kodwa ke, nam andifuni kusebenza ngomsindo.

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Into esiyidingayo yimfundo yabathengi kunye nokhuseleko lwabo.
Ukuze kufezekiswe oku, abathengi ngokwabo kufuneka nabo bazenzele

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izimvo zabo. Hayi nje ngokusekelwe kwinto abayibona kwiindaba.

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Ewe, ndicinga ukuba phakathi kwaba bantu
bonke, into eyandichukumisa ngokwenene

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kulo mbutho we-AWEF ibe yile manyano nje.

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Olu manyano phakathi kwabo bonke abantu abasazama
ukwenza uluvo lwabo naphi na, baze baluxhase kuloo nkqubo.

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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba oku kuyenzeka ngakumbi nangakumbi, ukuba
ngokwenene zikho, masithi, ezi ndlela zokuziva ezibakho

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ngokuyinxenye, umntu omnye wenza ngolu hlobo ngakumbi omnye
wenza ngaloo hlobo ngakumbi, kodwa akukhathaliseki kangako,

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kuba ninomgomo omnye: ukunika abantu ulwazi olupheleleyo.

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Kwaye wonke umntu kufuneka
azenzele uluvo lwakhe. Akuyongxaki leyo.

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Ewe, Mnu. Scheidsteger, enkosi kakhulu ngolu dliwano-ndlebe
lufutshane. Sikunqwenelela impumelelo eqhubekayo

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kuko konke okwenzayo kwaye sinethemba lokuba uza
kuqhubeka nokusebenzisa indlela yokucinga nzulu.

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Enkosi kakhulu kwaye ndikunqwenelela okuhle. Ewe, akukho nto.