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Ngiyajabula ukwamukela umqambi wefilimu yocwaningo
uKlaus Scheidsteger ku-Kla.tv ukuze senze ingxoxo namuhla.

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Mnu. Scheidsteger, abaningi babukeli
bethu abakakakwazi ngawe okwamanje.

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Ungazethula kafushane futhi usitshele kancane ngomsebenzi wakho?

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Yebo, ngiyajabula. Ngiyabonga ngokungimema kulesi sixoxo.

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Lokho kuye kwenzeka kaningi muva nje. Ngiyajabula, vele.

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Yebo, empeleni nginguntatheli wethelevishini ngomsebenzi.

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Ngafunda ubuntatheli eNyuvesi yaseDortmund futhi
ngangiyingxenye yeqembu lokuqala ngaleso sikhathi.

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Lolu hlelo olusha ezifundweni zami ezigxile ekusebenzeleni
lwaholela ekuqeqeshweni ngemva kokuthola idiploma yami

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ephakathi, engakwazi ukuyiqeda eWestdeutscher Rundfunk eCologne.

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Lokho kwakuyisikhathi lapho kwakungekho abasakazi abazimele.

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Yebo, lokho kwakusengumcimbi wokusakaza ocelwe abezindaba.

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Noma ubani onombono omuhle wayevunyelwe
ukuwusebenzisa; kwakungekho ukuhlungiwe noma yini enye.

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Futhi kwakuyisikhathi esimnandi nje, lezo
kwakuyiminyaka eyayingikhulisa, engangiyijabulela kakhulu.

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Intuthuko elandelayo kwaba ukunikezwa kwelayisensi kubahlinzeki
bokusakaza abazimele. Ngesikhathi ngineminyaka

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engu-30, ngo-1984, ngasungula inkampani yami
yokukhiqiza amafilimu edolobheni lami lasekhaya i-Essen.

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Kusukela lapho, ngakhiqiza izindaba zamazwe
ngamazwe, imibiko nama-documentary ngisebenzisa

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imishini yami nethimu yami, okwakumnandi kakhulu.

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Okwesikhashana, kuze kube cishe phakathi
neminyaka yama-1990, izinto zaqala ukushintsha.

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Kufana nokuthi manje sesiyazi ukuthi ababukeli
bafuna ukubona ini, ngakho yeka lezo zinto zakho

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ezingelutho zobuhlakani; akekho ofuna ukubona lokho.

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Kulungile

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Ngemva kwalokho, nganciphisa ukubamba kwami
enkampanini okwesikhashana futhi ngakhiqiza ku-Arte.

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Kwakusengumsakazi onombono ovulekile kakhulu, kodwa masithi nje
ukuthi engangikufundile ngaphambilini kwancipha kancane kancane.

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Ngakho-ke wonke umuntu wayecabanga ukuthi angaba intatheli.

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Futhi lokho okwakuyisebenzisana ngokubambisana –
bekukhona ithimba lekhamera nomhleli – kwadingeka

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kwenziwe ngesinyathelo ngesinyathelo ngumuntu oyedwa.

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Impela, lokhu kwenzeka futhi ngesikhathi
lomgwaqo lwaguqulwa lwaba lwedijithali. Kodwa

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ngokwokuqukethwe, kwaba kubi kakhulu kakhulu.

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Kodwa okwakubalulekile, futhi okusabalulekile
nanamuhla, wukuthi nganginelukuluku lemfundo elihle.

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Sekuyiminyaka ecishe ibe ngu-20 manje,
imibiko yakho nama-documentary akho

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aphindaphinda agxila ezokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula.

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Wabona kanjani lesi sigaba
somkhakha njengomsebenzi wokuphila kwakho?

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Empeleni okwenzekile kwakuwukuthi abantu abazwela
kakhulu ugesi basondela kimi empilweni yami yangasese.

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Bathi bangazwa ukuthi ngiphatha ifoni ephathekayo.
Futhi ekuqaleni ngangicabanga ukuthi babengahlanya kancane.

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Kodwa emhlanganweni wethu olandelayo, laba bantu banginika
incwadi yososayensi waseMelika ogama lakhe linguDkt George Carlo,

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owake wenza ucwaningo egameni lomkhakha phakathi kuka-1993
no-1999, futhi wabhala le ncwadi ngokubambisana nomlobi

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weWashington Post ogama lakhe linguMartin
Schram, lapho achaza khona okuhlangenwe nakho

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kwakhe nomkhakha – umkhakha wawuyiklayenti lakhe.

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Wayethola izinkinga, kodwa lezi
zazingazazisiwe emphakathini ngendlela eyayidingeka.

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Futhi lo uGeorge Carlo wayenokugxila okukhulu ezintweni ezimbili
empilweni yakhe, njengoba wayefunde izokwelapha nomthetho.

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Futhi bakhethe umlingani wokuzilolonga ongafanele.

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Lowo muntu-ke waqhubeka wazama ukuhlela nokusiza ukwakha
izimangalo zomthetho ngokumelene nomkhakha

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omkhulu wocingo lweselula, futhi waphakamisa konke
lokhu ngokususelwa ekutholakaleni kwakhe kwesayensi.

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Okusho ukuthi, kwakuyindaba enkulu, kodwa
ngokumangazayo akekho owake wayikhathalela.

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Kwathi-ke ngokuhamba kwesikhathi ngazibandakanya kancane
kancane kulesi sihloko, esihlanganisa izihloko eziningi kakhulu.

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Yebo, ngamafilimu akho usungule ukuxhumana nochwepheshe
abadumile kulo mkhakha. Usanda ukukhuluma ngoGeorge Carlo.

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Ungachaza kafushane ngalokhu? Wahlangana nobani
abanye ochwepheshe, futhi imibono yabo iyini?

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Yebo, ifilimu yami yokuqala kakhulu, eyasakazwa kuthelevishini
yaseFrance ngo-2006, yagxila kakhulu ezimangweni ezibhekiswe

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embonini yocingo lweselula, ngokusekelwe emiphumeleni yesayensi.

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Futhi konke kwakususelwa endabeni kaGeorge
Carlo, owayephikiswa ngemuva kokuba eyiveze obala.

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Eqinisweni, ngolwazi olubalulekile lokuvikelwa
kwabathengi oluvela ocwaningweni lwesayensi lwayo, kodwa

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oluxhaswe yimboni, kwaholela emiphumeleni ebhubhisayo.

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Futhi phakathi nale ndaba yokuqala, eyasakazwa ngo-2006 kumsakazo
kahulumeni waseFrance iFrance Deux, ngahlangana nososayensi

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oyedwa noma ababili ngosizo lukaGeorge Carlo,
owayengakaze athole izinkinga kuphela kodwa

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futhi nezixazululo. Lokho bekuthakazelisa kakhulu.

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Kwakukhona okwakubizwa ngokuthi
iNoisefield eNyuvesi yaseWashington.

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Ngokungeziwe, abantu abathole lokhu egameni
lomkhakha, okungukuthi amasosha, bakhuluma ngakho ngokusobala.

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Bengitshela ukuthi i-Motorola
yayingumhlinzeki wempi. I-Motorola, ngempela, ingumqambi

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wokuqala kwezokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula.

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Futhi iMotorola yaqashwa ukubona ukuthi
ingabe kungatholakala okuthile okungenza

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imisebe ingasebenzi kodwa kusavumela ukuxhumana.

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Bese bachitha iminyaka eyishumi becwaninga lokhu
futhi bathola lokho okwaziwa ngokuthi insimu yomsindo.

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Futhi ngemva kokuthi bekwethule lokhu
kuMotorola, abunjiniyela baqala bejabule kakhulu.

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Kukhona uProfesa Lipowitz, owaziwa nabacwaningi futhi osefile.

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Kodwa umlandeli wakhe kamuva waqhubeka nayo yonke into.

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Abunjiniyela abanomdlandla kwaMotorola bagcina
sebethathelwa indawo kancane kancane ngamagqwetha, abathi

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ekugcineni ukuthi lokho okwazitholile lapha kwakungekho.

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Amabutho asebenzisa noma kunjalo ukuvikela
abafana bawo ekuchayekeni emwarhweni, ngokuthi.

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Kodwa akazange akhiphe konke ngoba akufanele kube nezinkinga,
ngoba kunezicelo zamacala ezihamba

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ngasikhathi sinye futhi izimangalo ezinkulu
zamaqembu zingabangela ukuthi lonke umkhakha liwe.

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Hhayi, lokho bekujabulisa kakhulu.

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Phakathi nomsebenzi wami olandelayo,
ngakwazi-ke ukufunda ngokukhethekile ngocwaningo

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lwaseYurophu, ngoba uGeorge Carlo wangeniswa.

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Kukhona ifilimu ethi Thank You for Calling, lapho ngikubonisa
lokhu kancane futhi ngingena ezilabhorethri zabantu abafana

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noKundi noMoosgöller, okungukuthi uMichael Kundi
waseMedUni Vienna, udokotela wezempilo

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emsebenzini owaphinde wenza ucwaningo egameni lukahulumeni.

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Kukhona abantu abafana noWilli
Moosgöller, ongumcwaningi womdlavuza ngempela.

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Ngalendlela ngamazi uProfesa Adlkofer.

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Amagama amakhulu – abantu abanolwazi
oluthile ngalesi sihloko bayawazisa lawa.

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Wayeqale i-Reflex Study, ucwaningo lwaseYurophu, olwazama kamuva
ukuludikisa ngokuthi luyocwaningo oluyalelwe noma olungamanga.

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Kulungile, lokho bekuthakazelisa
kakhulu. Uyabona le phatheni kaningi kaningi.

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Bonke abantu abathole okuthile baphikiswa yiqembu
elinomthelela elithola ukwesekwa okukhulu

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kwezimali embonini, futhi kwezinye izikhathi bayasuswa.

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Lesi simo ngempela siyinhlekelele,
ikakhulukazi kithi thina abathengi.

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Kodwa nathi sinokuvikelwa ekuradiyashini eJalimane,
futhi benza umsebenzi omuhle wokusivikela ekuradiyashini.

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Yebo, usuvele wabikezela umbuzo
olandelayo kancane ngamazwana akho.

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Abanye abantu abazibiza ngokuthi
bangososayensi, cishe bonke, empeleni bamane nje banikeza

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imvume ngendaba yokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi izizathu sezisobala kulokho okushiwo muva nje.

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Yebo, kunezincwadi ezithakazelisayo kakhulu
ngalesi sihloko. Lokhu akuyona nje into

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eyenzeka kwezokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula namuhla.

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Kuyafana embonini, embonini yokudla njalo njalo.

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Kulungile, kunezincwadi ezimbili ezibhalwe
nguProfesa Kreis, ophinde avele kule

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filimu yami yakamuva ethi "The Digital Dilemma".

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Christian Kreis wabhala: "ucwaningo
oluthengiwe" kanye "nesayensi ethengiwe"

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Futhi uchaza ngokucacile ukuthi abantu abangahambisani nezixuku,
uma kungathiwa kanjalo, bayahlaselwa, bathuthelwa kwenye

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indawo, futhi bayasongelwa. Kukhona izimo ezahlukene ngempela.

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Futhi ekuqaleni, nami ngangingenalwazi.
Angikwazanga ukucabanga ukuthi ububi obunjalo babubusa lapho.

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Kodwa ngeshwa kunjalo nje, ngoba sinemboni yomhlaba wonke,
vele. Sine ubuchwepheshe obumangalisayo, akukho mibuzo ngalokho.

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Sobabili sikhuluma ngalokhu
okungenzeka kwedijithali nokunye nokunye.

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Sonke sisebenzisa izingcingo eziphathwayo. Asiphikisani nazo.

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Kodwa esikwabonile nakwizimo ezithile
kwakuwukuthi kwesinye isikhathi kwakunzima kakhulu ukuveza.

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Kodwa kukhona, isibonelo, i-ICNIRP – iKomishana Yamazwe
Ngamazwe Yokuvikelwa Kokukhanya Okungeyona Okwe-Ionising.

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Futhi i-ICNIRP isekelwe eHhovisi Likazwelonke
Lokuvikela Ekukhanyeni Kwezinhlamvu futhi

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ixhaswa ngemali yabakhokhi bentela baseJalimane.

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Kukhona umbiko obizwa nge-ICNIRP owenziwe ngumlingani waseMunich,
uProfesa Buchner, ngokubambisana

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noMichelle Rivasi, ilungu lePhalamende laseYurophu
elivela eFrance, owashona ngokudabukisayo.

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Ungakwazi futhi ukuyilanda njengefayela le-PDF
kusuka kuwebhusayithi ye-Competence Initiative.

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Amalungu ngamunye aleli khomishini, elibeka izindinganiso
nemikhawulo yokuvikelwa ekukhanyeni

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komsakazi emhlabeni jikelele, baphenywa, kwavela
ukuthi bonke banobudlelwano nomkhakha wezimboni.

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Ngakho-ke nabo bakhokhelwa
embonini; lawa amaqiniso nje adalwe lapha.

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Futhi kungaba nentshisekelo enkulu kunoma ubani
ofuna ukubheka lo mbiko obizwa nge-ICNIRP,

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lapho uzothola khona ngokushesha lokho okufunayo.

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Iqembu labalingani elibizwa nge-Investigate
Europe nalo selifingqe lokhu kahle kakhulu.

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Futhi ngikubonisa lokhu efilimini yami entsha.
Ngakho-ke, das-digitale-dilemma.de (njalo kunehyphen phakathi)

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inikeza ukuqonda okuningi, uma ngingazikhuthaza kancane.

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Yebo, impela.

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Yebo, nakuba ama-documentary akho ayehlale ephikisanwa kakhulu,
ikakhulukazi maqondana nezempilo yabantu bonke, aboniswe kanye

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kuphela – njengoba wawusho ngaphambilini – kudokhumentari
kumabonakude waseFrance, kanti eJalimane

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aboniswe kuphela ngokufingqiwe futhi ngaphandle
kwanoma yiluphi uhlobo lokumemezela lolu hlelo.

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Njengomuntu ongaphakathi, yiziphi izipiliyoni
onazo ngalokho okubizwa ngokuthi okuyinhloko

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mayelana nodaba lokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula?

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Yebo, kahle, bekuyisipiliyoni esinamandla kakhulu.

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Ngakho-ke, ifilimu yokuqala kakhulu kwakuyikhiqizo
elalicelwe yiFrance Deux eParis. Ngaleso sikhathi, kwakusekhona

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inhloko yefilimu yezincwadi enombono ovulekile kakhulu.

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Wathi: Bheka, ungumJalimane, mhlawumbe unokhetho lokuhlanganisa,
inketho yokukhiqiza ngokubambisana ne-ARD, isibonelo. Ngiyamazi

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umuntu lapho, umhleli omkhulu onomqondo ovulekile e-MDR.

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Futhi nami ngangimazi, ngakho ngaxhumana naye
wathi, "Kulungile, masikwenze. Sidinga imizuzu engu-45."

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AmaFulentshi adinga imizuzu engu-50 kuya
kwengu-52 ukuze benze ifomethi yabo yokusakaza.

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Futhi ngathembiswa ukuthi konke lokhu
kuzosakazwa futhi ku-ARD, isiteshi esiyinhloko.

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Kwavezwa ngesikhathi esiphambili
eFrance. Futhi kwaphindwa izikhathi eziningana.

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AmaJalimane ekuqaleni bavala ifilimu ekhabhinethi yobuthi.

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Kulungile

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Kodwa kufanele futhi ngisho ukuthi ifilimu
yayinesihloko esamenyezelwa eziphephandabeni: Portables en

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accusation – okusho izingcingo eziphathwayo ezibekwe icala.

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Futhi lesi sihloko sashintshwa kancane kusihlwa
sokusakazwa ngaphansi kwengcindezi yamagqwetha embonini.

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Kwathi: USA: Amanye amafoni
eselula esitatimendeni sokumangalelwa.

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Futhi kwadingeka sivumelane ukufaka incazelo
emibhalweni yokubonga ethi i-WHO ilawula konke.

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Ngakho-ke empeleni akukho nkinga.

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Yize konke okwenzeka kule filimu kwenzeka lapho, kwadingeka
sifake lesi sengezo ukuze siqinisekise ababukeli, ngokuthi.

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Abameli abasebenza ngaphakathi kwesiteshi sokudlisa bezisesimweni
esinzima ngempela. Futhi kwadingeka ngihambisane nakho.

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Ngathola ithuba lokusho, kulungile,
ngakho-ke ngeke siyithumele nhlobo.

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Noma ngizovuma lezi zinguquko ezincane.
Yilapho kwaqala khona, kuyindaba nje ethokozisayo.

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Kwenziwa imali eningi kakhulu lapho.
Abantu abayithandi lapho lokho kuphazamiseka.

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Ngakho-ke kwaba nokunikela okubalulekile kokuqala okwake
kwaba khona, okwenzeka ngo-1993 ohlelweni lokuxoxa eMelika.

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Ngenxa yalokho, izabelo
ze-Motorola zehla ngo-10% phakathi kwesonto.

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Futhi vele baphendula bagcwalisa zonke izikhundla ukuze kungabi
khona okungalungile, bese kulandela lokhu emithonjeni yezindaba.

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Ngoba okulandelayo kwenzeka e-ARD, okungukuthi i-slash MDR.

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Abazange bangazise nhlobo. Bahlale bethi:
Kulungile, sizoyithumela ngesinye isikhathi, sizokwazisa.

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Futhi ekupheleni konyaka, ngathola ucingo
oluvela kumsizi ngosuku olwandulela ukusakazwa, othe:

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Sizobonisa uhlelo kusasa, kodwa sesisike imizuzu
engu-30 – noma, cha, sesisifinye imizuzu engu-30.

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Bengilethile imizuzu engu-45 eyayiceliwe futhi eyayikhokhelwe.

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Kwabe sengiqaphela ukuthi bekungekho
isimemezelo sohlelo salesi sihloko.

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Ngakho ngashayela ozakwethu eSüddeutsche Zeitung.
Ngoba ngaleso sikhathi babe nesigaba sezindaba

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esithakazelisayo kakhulu, esasiphinde sibe nokugxeka.

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Ngakhanga ukunaka kwabo kuleli xhumano.

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Bese baxhumana nomsakazi futhi, ngokungafani nami, bathola
impendulo eyayithi: Ifilimu yayingenalo uxhumano lwaseJalimane.

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Kwathi-ke ngabuka ifilimu ngosuku olulandelayo
ngesikhathi sayo sokudluliswa ngo-10 ekuseni.

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Isithenjwa sesiJalimane naso besingekho; basisika bona uqobo.

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Yebo, yilokho engangikuzwa, okuyinto engakholakali ngempela.

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Kodwa yilokho okwabangela izinyathelo zokucwasa iminyaka engu-20
edlule. Ngemva kwalokho ngabheka ukuthi lokhu kwakuxhumene nani.

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Ngonyaka lowo, babe noT-Mobile
njengomlingani weGerman Football League.

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Bengakwazi ukuzibeka engcupheni yokulahlekelwa umthengi wabo
omuhle kakhulu, umthengi wabo omuhle kakhulu wezokukhangisa

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– owangenisa izigidi ezimbalwa zemali ngonyaka futhi
owayekwazi ukubasekela ekutholeni amalungelo e-Bundesliga.

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Ngalesi simo, isithenjwa saseJalimane sashiywa ngenhloso.

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Ngakho yebo, namuhla ngiyakwazi ukuhleka ngalokho.
Ngaleso sikhathi ngangicabanga, Nkulunkulu wami, wenzani?

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Akufundiswanga ngaleyo ndlela ukwenza lokhu.

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Yebo. Njengentatheli, ubona yiziphi amathuba ababukeli bethu
anazo okubhekisa kulezi zenzo zobugebengu zokucwasa kwezindaba?

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Hhayi-ke, usuvele usebenzisa amathuba akhona kuze kube manje.

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Yebo, nami nganginomuzwa ongaphakathi ngalokhu, ngoba, masithi,
konke konke kuwukuhlambalaza okukhulu, ngisho phakathi kwabantu

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abagxeka izokuxhumana eziphathwayo;
isibonelo, awudume yonke indawo, okuyihlazo

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ngempela. Kuphela umbulali oyazi ukuthi kungani.

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Kodwa badubula noma kuphi lapho bengakwazi khona.

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Ngazizwa lokhu kangangokuba ngempela ngacabanga ukuthi sekwanele.

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Futhi ithuba kuphela, ngokombono wami,
njengamanje lisekhona ekubeni nekhono nasemandleni

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eziteshi zezindaba ezihlukile ikakhulukazi.

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Futhi ngabheka, isibonelo, umcimbi ePrague
lapho i-Auf1 yahlela khona i-AWEF. Wawukhona lapho.

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Kwakukhona abanye ozakwethu ababekhona abakhuluma
ngokusobala futhi bachaza izinto, njengoba

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bekufanele benze. Futhi manje abasavunyelwe ukubamba iqhaza.

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Ngakho-ke, empeleni, kufanele umeme
abantu ababe khona cishe njalo ngesonto.

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Kodwa kuhlala kungobuso obufanayo
kwezombusazwe. Imboni, ezombusazwe kanye nezindaba

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ziyadlala umdlalo ophindwe kabili kulezi zinsuku.

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Lokhu sekwehle laya ezingeni elingamukeleki.

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Ngakho-ke uma wazi kancane ngomsebenzi wezintatheli,
ngokwesisekelo somgomo... engangizizwa kanjalo, ozakwethu

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nabo bangitshele ngokusobala: uma ungadlali ndima, uyaphuma.

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Ngiphume. Futhi ngiyajabula ngalokho.

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Kodwa manje sengingaphakathi, Martin.

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Yebo, ake ngikubeke kanje. Ngithola umbono
wokuthi izingqondo ezigxeka azamukeleki.

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Ngakho-ke, uma kukhulunywa ngama-talk show adlalwa nsuku zonke
ndawoni, ngivame ukuthola umbono wokuthi abantu abafanayo bamemwa

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kaningi, esikhundleni sokuvumela izinto zihambe
ngokwazo nokuvumela ezinye izimvo zizwakale,

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konke kuhlelwe kusengaphambili. Lokho kuqinisekile.

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Futhi lezi yizimo nje, ngokombono wami, ezingasaseyidemokhrasi.
Futhi ngiyakubona lokhu kudabukisa kakhulu kakhulu.

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Nami ngidumele kakhulu. Njengombukeli,
unemibono ehlukahlukene, futhi angisakwazi ngisho

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ukuyibuka, ngisho ngisho lolu hlelo olujwayelekile.

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Ngoba lolu hlobo lokufaka isakhelo lwenzeka kaningi.

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Ngakho ake ngisho igama elibalulekile: impi yokuhlasela
kweRussia. Yebo, lokho kugcizelelwa njalo emishweni embalwa.

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Futhi kuwumsebenzi nje owenzeka kulelo zinga futhi
usetshenziswa ngenhloso yokudlala ngabantu, ngisho nangesigaba

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sobuciko namasiko, mhlawumbe ukuze abantu bazizwe bekulungele.

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Futhi lokho kuwumkhuba nje ongafanele
futhi ongenangqondo wokudlulisa ulwazi.

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Angiboni ukuthi abantu abanemicabango ehlaziyayo bavunyelwe
ukuveza imibono yabo, ngisho nakuzo izinhlelo zokuxoxa

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ezibizwa ngokuthi 'talk shows', engikubona kudabukisa kakhulu.

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Ngakho-ke ekuqaleni kobhubhane
lwe-coronavirus, kwakukhona omunye noma ababili abameli

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ababucayi abafana noWolfgang Wodarg nabanye.

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Waphinde wabonakala ekuqaleni, kwathi-ke wathulwa yabezindaba.

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Ngokuphambene nalokho, abantu abafana
noSucharit Bhakdi baphinde babekwa icala futhi

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bathulisiwe, noma kwenziwa imizamo yokubathulisa.

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Futhi bangabantu abamangalisayo kangaka. Yini oyenzayo?

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Hhayi bo, lokho akukholakali kimi. Kodwa
noma kunjalo, imikhawulo ejwayelekile.

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Yebo, futhi yilapho ngicabanga ukuthi kumele kwenziwe
okuthile ngakho, futhi lokho ngempela kuyasebenza kahle kakhulu.

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Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi baningi kithi asisakhohliswa
futhi sisazenzela izinto zethu, ngamunye ngendlela yakhe.

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Kunezinhlobo zonke zezimilo namakhono ahlukene.

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Kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi kubizwa ngokuthi ukuziphatha
kwabezindaba kwedemokhrasi, engikuthola kujabulisa futhi

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kunezinhlobo ezinhle ezinemibala – yilokho okufanele kube njalo.

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Futhi yilapho ngizama khona ukwenza ingxenye yami futhi. Ngosizo
lwezinhlangano ezimangalisayo ezifana ne-WIR eSwitzerland.

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Laba ngabantu abenza izinto eziningi ngasikhathi sinye.

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Kodwa ngoba nami ngenze okuthile nabo futhi
ngakwazi ukuqalisa izinto ngenxa yosizo lwabo,

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ngalokho nami ngicindezelwa ekhoneni lasekunene.

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Ngakho-ke phakathi kwethu siqu! Lokho kuyamangaza
kakhulu, kuyahlekisa kakhulu, futhi kuyahlazisa kakhulu.

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Kodwa-ke, angifuni futhi ukusebenza ngentukuthelo.

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Esikudingayo yimfundo yabathengi nokuvikelwa kwabo. Ukuze
sikufeze lokhu, abathengi uqobo kumele nabo bazakhele imibono

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yabo, hhayi nje ngokususelwa kulokho abakubona ezindabeni.

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Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi phakathi kwabo bonke laba bantu,
okungishaye kakhulu kulo mcimbi we-AWEF kwakuwukubumbana nje.

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Lobu buhlanganyelo phakathi kwabo bonke abantu abasazama
ukwakha umbono endaweni ethile nokuwusekela kule nqubo.

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Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kuya kwenzeka kakhulu kakhulu, ukuthi
empeleni kukhona, masithi, lezi zimo zokuzwela

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ezingaphelele—omunye umuntu uzenza ngale ndlela kanti
omunye ngaleyo—kodwa akubalulekile ngempela, ngoba

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unenjongo eyodwa: ukuhlinzeka abantu ngolwazi oluphelele.

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Futhi wonke umuntu kumele azakhele umbono wakhe. Akuyona inkinga.

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Yebo, Mnu. Scheidsteger, ngiyabonga kakhulu ngale ngxoxo
emfushane. Sikufisela impumelelo eqhubekayo kukho konke okwenzayo

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futhi sithemba ukuthi uzoqhubeka nokuba nombono ocwaningayo.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu futhi
ngikufisela konke okuhle. Yebo, akukho nto.