In Hungary, there are numerous health problems among babies, children, adolescents and adults.
In the following interview, a doctor and a lawyer from Hungary discuss the extent to which these injuries are related to
previous vaccinations, as well as an affected mother with three children who were initially born healthy but are now disabled.
According to their surveys, the number of children diagnosed as autistic after vaccination has increased dramatically in Hungary.
Numerous Hungarian initiatives take care of these children, support them - or fight together with their
parents to ensure that there is no longer a mandatory vaccination requirement for children in Hungary.
Compulsory vaccination? Is vaccination really compulsory in Hungary?
In fact, the first mandatory vaccination was introduced in Hungary as early as 1876, followed by others in 1954 and the 1960s.
Today, all newborn babies in Hungary are vaccinated against TB - without the parents being asked beforehand.
In 1997 and 1998, the Hungarian Ministry of Public Welfare passed health laws, in the course of which further
vaccinations against several diseases were introduced by law.
Hungarian children are currently being vaccinated with the dangerous multiple vaccines against diphtheria,
whooping cough, tetanus, polio and Haemophilus influenza b at the ages of 2 months, 3 months, 4 months and 18 months.
In addition, pneumococcal vaccinations are given at 2, 4 and 12 months of age.
The measles-mumps-rubella multiple vaccination takes place at the age of 15 months, and the chickenpox
vaccination is given to infants aged 13 and 16 months.
Hungarian parents can hardly deprive their children of the required vaccinations, even if there is already a child in the
family who shows considerable health problems after vaccination.
When children enter nursery and kindergarten, the pediatric nurses and midwives who care for the children
from birth are obliged to check their vaccination status.
At school, there are mass vaccinations for entire classes.
If parents refuse to have their child vaccinated, the school doctor must report this to the health authorities.
In case of doubt, this can lead to high fines and expulsion from school.
A 2019 ruling even made it possible to take unvaccinated children away from their parents.
Although the Hungarian doctor emphasizes in the interview that other causes may also play a role in the
increasing illnesses of children, such as the worldwide problem of the highly altered, unnatural food.
But it also clearly states that autoimmune diseases, inflammations, developmental delays, autism and
many new infections often occur after a vaccination.
The three activists from the interview are therefore fighting for vaccine manufacturers to be held accountable for vaccine
damage and for vaccinating doctors to fulfill their duty to inform people about the side effects of vaccination.
Antibody titer tests should also be carried out urgently in advance of planned booster vaccinations in order to prevent
hyperimmunity and the resulting threat of autoimmune disease.
In addition, doctors should no longer be penalized for issuing certificates of incapacity for
vaccination, for example by initiating proceedings against them.
In general, vaccinations should only be given on a voluntary basis - this is also what parents in Germany who want
to protect their children from the side effects of the measles vaccinations demanded here are calling for.
This stirring interview shows that even in Hungary - which has become a popular country for
immigration - not all things are for the best.
Due to the increasingly obvious side effects of vaccination - see also the numerous coronavirus vaccination injuries - and the
ongoing switch of all vaccines to the dangerous mRNA vaccines, the voluntary nature of vaccination, which is
demanded everywhere, remains a vital issue for some people.
Interview: INTRODUCTION OF INTERVIEW PARTNERS
Moderator (Dániel István): Good afternoon, with much love and respect I welcome everyone,
and our guests are András, Angelika and Niki.
Dr. András Guseo: I am Dr. András Guseo, neurologist, psychiatrist, nervous tissue
researcher, psycho-neuro-immunologist, stress educator and research physician.
As a member of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, I have been active in research for 65 years.
My main research interests are autoimmunity and more recently autism as an autoimmune problem area.
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: I am Angelika Mihalik, I am a lawyer.
I only returned to the legal profession 18 months ago - I had previously left it because I didn't want to be a lawyer.
So I did a degree in specialized translation, I knew English, and I studied specialized
translation when I gave up my legal career.
I have been translating medical articles related to Covid, about Covid vaccinations, mainstream studies for doctors since 2019.
And as I was looking into it, I came across professional articles and problems related to traditional, classical
vaccinations, and that's when I actually saw what was happening with traditional vaccinations.
This went so far that someone I was translating for wrote me a message on Messenger saying that we needed a
Hungarian Kennedy , and so I decided to work as a lawyer again.
I'm not saying that out of arrogance, but because that was the specific trigger.
And Niki also played a role in making me realize that there was a problem because there were
side effects with the mandatory vaccinations.
Niki showed me the seriousness of this major problem by inviting me to a family celebration at
her house, where a number of guests were present.
And they brought four or five autistic children with them, and then I saw the severity of the problem.
These two reasons led me to return to the legal profession.
Moderator: Then we need a Hungarian Kennedy, so to speak. Yes, Niki? Here you go.
Nikoletta Kertész: I am Nikoletta Kertész, better known as Niki Kertész.
I have three children, all three are vaccine-impaired.
The 24-year-old was severely mentally handicapped, he has epilepsy and underwent brain surgery as a result.
One of my twins from my second marriage became a non-speaking, mentally handicapped autistic after the MMR
vaccination , which he received at the age of 15 months.
His twin brother has severe food allergies and inflammation of the digestive tract, but he got off lightly.
I searched and searched for the reasons, because you can't get into the same river twice, you might think, but you
can get into the river of autoimmunity any number of times.
So practically, I realized something was wrong with the twins and I started to
investigate, and I'll tell you here what I found out.
I founded the Facebook group "Autism Never Again" ten years ago, with a therapy system I put
together based on nutrition and other therapies.
We have achieved a reduction in autistic and ADHD symptoms for thousands of people in the group
- and even beyond the boundaries of the group.
Some children even had their autism diagnosis reversed.
COMPULSORY VACCINATIONS WORLDWIDE
Moderator: Do children in Hungary get the same vaccinations as children in Africa, for example?
Are vaccination habits the same all over the world - or are there differences?
Dr. András Guseo: Vaccination habits differ from country to country.
In 18 of the 30 European countries, vaccination is not mandatory, or if it is, then only 1 or 2 vaccinations - against the
infections that are seen as the greatest risk in that country.
All other vaccinations are voluntary.
LEGAL DISPUTE: LACK OF VACCINATION INFORMATION FOR PARENTS
Moderator: Well, Angelika, I have a question for you:
When parents bring their child to the vaccination appointment - we are talking about mandatory vaccinations - what
information do the parents receive about these vaccinations?
Is that a tricky question?
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: We have at least 150 court cases at the moment.
Our clients are for the most part the injured children, they are the clients, we sue on behalf of the children.
And the majority of them are either severely or moderately vaccine-injured themselves.
Or they came to us because their sibling was severely vaccine-damaged or had died.
And unfortunately, doctors are not taught sufficiently and in detail at universities.
The training courses do not teach about the vaccines, the mechanisms of action of the vaccinations,
but only the statistics, why vaccines are good, which vaccines are available, and so on.
So doctors have very little real information about the vaccines.
Unfortunately. And also about the mechanism of action of vaccinations.
This is why parents are obviously not informed.
HOW ARE PARENTS INFORMED? - LAW FROM 1997 - HOW MANY VACCINATIONS ARE THERE? - VACCINE SHEDDING
Moderator: Do parents receive an information sheet when their children are to be vaccinated?
So, an information letter about what will happen to the child?
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: You will receive a DIN A4 sheet describing what the vaccination is for.
Moderator: You get this after the vaccination?
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: No, before the vaccination. This is what the child takes home.
But I will give a very important example, the MMR vaccine .
MMR contains rubella, and that is contagious.
The instructions for use state that it is dangerous for pregnant women.
This is a very specific example. It is not on the information sheet.
The school doctor lines up the children, but does not say anything to them.
It's all done by giving this information sheet to the parents.
The children are lined up, he doesn't ask any of them: Is your mother pregnant? Is your sister pregnant?
This is a very concrete example.
There is a specific case of a miscarriage after such a vaccination of a sibling of the unborn child.
So that's the dark side, as you put it.
People are not informed enough.
Moderator: Does the Hungarian code of law state that parents must be informed?
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: That is correct. Moderator: Which law is that, and when was it passed?
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: This is the health law of 1997.
Moderator: And now it's 2025? Dr. Angelika Mihalik: That's right.
Moderator: It's been a few years in between! And nobody has checked that since then? Dr. Angelika Mihalik: No.
Moderator: And how many additional vaccines have been administered since 1997?
Nikoletta Kertész: since 97, I think it's probably ten more. It's certainly ten more.
Moderator: So there are about 10 more mandatory vaccinations.
But the law from the 1990s has not been reviewed. Nikoletta Kertész: That's right.
VACCINATION CAMPAIGNS = COMPULSORY VACCINATION IN SCHOOLS
Nikoletta Kertész: Vaccinations before school age for children from 0 to 6 years are carried out in such a way that the parents
simply take the children to the pediatrician 12 times, i.e. to the family pediatrician, who
briefly informs them and vaccinates them there.
The next step is vaccinations at school.
They are called vaccination campaigns.
Moderator: What is such a vaccination campaign?
Nikoletta Kertész: Why this concept is called that is a good question.
Basically, it means that the children in a particular class in a school are led to the school doctor like sheep,
for example starting with all children in the sixth grade.
Class 6a in the first lesson, class 6b in the second lesson, class 6c in the third lesson. Then 7 a, 7 b, 7 c.
And all in one day, like a marketing campaign or a political campaign or an advertising campaign, so
that all pupils get this vaccination at the same time.
That's why they call it a vaccination campaign in Hungary.
Moderator: So this is mandatory.
Nikoletta Kertész: Compulsory, yes. So there are the vaccinations that are administered by the paediatrician and
the school vaccinations that are organized at school so that all children are in the same place.
So it's easy to vaccinate everyone on that day and then you're done.
Parents do not have to drive their children to the doctor themselves, and the authorities do not have to
check afterwards who has been vaccinated and who has not.
VACCINATION INFORMATION SHEET
: Nikoletta Kertész: Every medicine and every vaccine has a package insert, which is enclosed with the package.
This leaflet enclosed with the package is not identical to the one issued by the manufacturer.
So, there's a package insert issued by the manufacturer, then there's one that the doctor gets.
There is a recommendation, i.e. a short piece of information that should be sufficient for the parents, and then there is a very
short extract that the parents should sign, which only states, for example, that the
vaccination can cause fever and reddening of the skin.
Sometimes, I have seen them write down that dizziness or vomiting may occur. But this is very rare.
These are symptoms of anaphylaxis .
But I've only seen this tiny bit of information.
So that's the information we parents get, as several parents have confirmed to me.
MANY NEW INFECTIONS DUE TO VACCINE SHEDDING AFTER VACCINATION, EXAMPLE UKRAINE
Moderator: Then..., if they start this vaccination campaign here, if they vaccinate so many children, is there
something like vaccine shedding - i.e. many new infections directly after this vaccination?
Dr. András Guseo: In principle, there can be.
Life has provided a very impressive example of this, as they found that the measles vaccination rate in Ukraine is less than 35%.
And the WHO and UNICEF noticed this, and - so it was said - in order to "help" Ukraine overcome this "catastrophic situation" of
people and especially children not being vaccinated, they provided Ukraine with vaccines and
carried out a vaccination campaign in the same way.
Result: At the previous vaccination coverage rate of 35%, there were 60 to 70 measles infections per year.
But not for many years.
After the start of the vaccination campaign, there were 12,000 measles infections within two months, of which 9,000 required
hospitalization and 1,600 people fell seriously ill with measles.
So this shows what we were talking about earlier, that the vaccinated can transmit the infection.
MISSING ANTIBODY TITER TESTS AND HYPERIMMUNITY
Dr. András Guseo: So there were no measles infections in Ukraine, but when they started to vaccinate with the live
vaccine, the vaccinated people transmitted the disease and there was quite a serious epidemic.
So this is a huge problem.
The other thing is that these vaccination campaigns do not take into account not only whether there is a pregnant
person in the family, but also whether the person to be vaccinated already has antibodies against vaccine X.
In other words, a measurable number of antibodies, an antibody titer.
Dr. András Guseo: Because if you have a sufficiently high antibody titer, you don't need the vaccine.
That's in the package insert. Yes. But it's never examined.
And in a number of cases that required legal intervention, antibody titers were measured, and they were extremely high.
If you now use a measles vaccine at this extremely high level, you create hyperimmunity, and the disadvantage of hyperimmunity
is that it is a breeding ground for autoimmune diseases.
And if the immune system is overloaded, i.e. overstimulated, it can very easily be led astray.
Both the measles infection and the vaccine stimulate the body to produce antibodies against the myelin basic protein in the
brain, and from this point on the body is in an autoimmune state.
This does not mean that he will fall ill immediately - it could be one, two, five, ten or fifteen years later.
Because then, when the immune system gets another one of these boosters, be it through a vaccine, be it through another viral
infection, be it other external factors, stress, etc., then the immune system launches
an autoimmune attack on the nervous system.
MANUFACTURER'S RESPONSIBILITY, ALUMINUM ANTENNA
Dr. András Guseo: Since the adoption of the 1986 law, there is no obligation for the manufacturer to adequately test the vaccine.
A fair, double-blind, placebo-controlled, multi-center, two-year study, as is actually required in this
industry for all drugs, has never been carried out for vaccines. Not with a single vaccine.
You don't have to look far for examples.
The best example is the recent global pandemic.
The vaccine that was used was already available a few months after the outbreak of the virus infection, whereas it
usually takes five to eight years for a vaccine to be tested to determine whether it is really effective or not.
On the one hand. Secondly, they did not conduct a placebo study, so they did not compare the effect with an ineffective drug.
They haven't done that with any of the vaccines, so we don't know how effective the vaccines are.
We know that there are problems, especially when you administer a multiple vaccine .
There are many examples of this, where a two-month, three-month or four-month-old child receives
six vaccines at the same time with one vaccination.
And this does not include all vaccines against all pathogens included in this multiple vaccination, because these six vaccines
are directed against more than ten or more than twenty pathogens.
However, the immune system of a two-month-old baby is not yet developed.
It is dependent on maternal immunity. And this immunity is weak.
And now the child's immune system begins to develop.
And we are pushing it with such a huge boost. It's simply incredible.
The other, much bigger problem is that this child's brain is not yet developed, it is still developing.
And there is a protective barrier in the brain, this blood-brain barrier.
So what gets into the blood cannot get into the brain one-to-one.
But this protective barrier is not yet developed in a child.
What is given to the child and what gets into the blood therefore enters the brain unprotected.
The problem is that vaccines are very weak immunostimulants.
In order for them to really stimulate the immune system, adjuvants have to be added to
stimulate the immune system to become active.
And this active ingredient booster in the vaccinations is aluminum.
Moderator: I thought this was included in all vaccinations?
Dr. András Guseo: In the past, vaccines even contained mercury, but fortunately that was banned.
But there are still some, the hepatitis B vaccine still contains mercury.
Even the flu vaccine can still contain mercury.
And this aluminum enters the brain one-to-one.
And the aluminum is stimulated in the nerve cells by WLAN or mobile phone radiation.
It will be your receiver, your antenna.
And that creates an incredible electromagnetic effect in the brain.
The nerve cells in the brain also generate electromagnetic waves, and all my body cells
perceive them and they supply my cells with energy.
If I now bring this body into an electromagnetic field and the WLAN - the 50 Hz - and other mobile phone radiation,
then they influence my internal electromagnetic function.
And if I have antennae in my brain, this will have a huge impact on my main control system, its cellular function.
HUNGARY - NO ONE IS LIABLE FOR VACCINATION DAMAGE
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: In Hungary, the law is formulated in such a way that neither the manufacturer, nor the doctor,
nor the state is liable for any damage caused by the vaccine.
The consequence of this is that if there is no threat of sanctions, no one will abide by the rules.
That is a regularity!
Since neither the doctor, nor the state, nor the manufacturer is responsible in Hungary, the doctor does not fulfill
his duty to inform the patient about what the vaccine does.
He does not perform at the required level because he has not learned to do so.
So we fight for those affected who come to us because they have to run a gauntlet.
On top of that, you can't hold anyone accountable, so we fail again and again.
But we are fighting, our complaints continue, and we have to start all over again to free people from the vaccine.
SELF-DETERMINED VACCINATION DECISION
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: So it would be good if two things happened:
First, what the United States of America is fighting for and what the Kennedy administration, i.e. the Trump administration,
is fighting for to end this irresponsibility of manufacturers.
This should also be achieved in Hungary, so that the polluters no longer have to answer to anyone.
And the doctor should also be held accountable.
This is because they will only be motivated to educate people about the risks of vaccination if
they can be held accountable for the harm they cause.
And the other thing is that the moment this regulation is abolished - that neither the doctor nor the state is responsible
for the damage caused by vaccinations - the information about vaccination side effects
would also be passed on to patients and parents.
Also, if vaccinations were voluntary, there wouldn't be this gauntlet where we are literally fighting for children's lives.
Moderator: Well, a doctor has to swear that he will cure you or not harm you.
Well, let's explore this a little:
So if a doctor swears an oath but then not only does not pass on the information about the vaccinations, but does not carry
out tests beforehand that can determine whether this child will become ill later or not, then he has taken his oath in vain.
He has actually broken his oath.
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: We don't just have one such case - we have several!
Not just a lawsuit. We are actually suing doctors.
Because, even if it is not practiced that way, in Hungary it is written in the law:
If a doctor writes that a child cannot be vaccinated for health reasons, then the authorities
should exempt them from the vaccination requirement.
We have cases in which two doctors and four doctors have written that the child cannot be vaccinated.
The parents take it to the authorities, and the authorities appoint a so-called vaccination advisor - this is
an institution in Hungary - who has never seen the child.
Two treating physicians, let's say, or four physicians specifically treating the child, some of them for eight
years, some of them for four years, and they write for several pages that the child would die from the vaccination.
The vaccination advisor doesn't even look at the child, he just reads the findings - I'm talking about specific cases -
and writes down in four lines that the child can be vaccinated.
Moderator: And these are doctors?
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: Doctors, physicians, specially trained doctors.
To the other question: Well, we are also suing doctors who have not issued the vaccination exemption for those children who
are actually entitled to the exemption from this vaccination.
And the doctor wrote it down. We have several such complaints.
And several different doctors write that they do not have the best interests of the child in mind when it comes to
mandatory vaccinations, but the public interest, and that this child must be vaccinated in order to achieve herd immunity.
Moderator: And then it doesn't matter what the child has.
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: This is also done if there is an enormously high risk that the child will die from this vaccination.
And we write this down in the statement of claim. We have several such cases.
INCREASING NUMBER OF AUTISTIC CHILDREN
Dr. András Guseo: The CDC has released shocking data showing how many of the newborn children in the US will be autistic.
In 2020, the figure was 158.
If we go back 15 years, the figure was one in 10,000.
Moderator: Is it 158 out of 10,000?
Dr. András Guseo: No, out of 158 newborns, one child becomes autistic.
And over the years, the reference amount that was published became lower and lower and last
year there was one autistic child among 9 births.
The trend is going steeply downwards - meaning fewer and fewer non-autistic children among newborns.
And if I see it correctly, the baseline will be hit in two years.
This means that any child born in America could be autistic.
Dr. András Guseo: That's just terrible. I looked at this at home, in our country.
And I would like to show you the latest data in this chart.
From 2018 to 2024, it shows the number of children with autism aged 2 to 18 reported by
schools nationwide at the end of September.
And it shows that the increase is very significant, and this increase is 121% in 7 years.
This means that the number of children with autism in schools is increasing by an average of 17% per year.
Nikoletta Kertész: And then the chickenpox vaccination was introduced and the pneumococcal vaccination, which used to
be vaccinated against13 different pneumococcal pathogens - now there are already 20 pathogens. And the trend is rising.
And now we are seriously asking ourselves how it is possible that there are now children who cannot speak at the age of three.
So how can it be that masses of children enter kindergartens at the age of three without speaking, without going potty.
And these children are coming to us en masse all over the country - not just to us.
They all come to the existing support practices.
Well, there is no country in the world where there are more private support centers, independent therapy practices
and remedial teachers and support teachers than in Hungary.
This shows the high demand, and we can no longer make appointments - none of these facilities can make any
more appointments. There are simply too many requests.
It is an epidemic, not only in terms of the number of autistic children, but also because the behavior of these children deviates
greatly from healthy behavior. That can no longer be denied.
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: That is why we have always announced that the court hearings are
public, so that people come to the court hearings.
We always invited people if the client agreed.
For example, a secondary school teacher once took part in such a court case because he had noticed that out of a total of 47
children who had taken the secondary school entrance exam, 20 of these 47 children had special
educational needs - most of them were autistic.
It was not us, but another association that asked the member states of the European Union - the countries in which vaccinations
are not mandatory - why vaccinations are not compulsory.
And they answered about the ministries, which we already knew, namely because they are unconstitutional.
The reason why mandatory vaccination is unconstitutional - and it is unconstitutional everywhere in
the world - is that you can die from a vaccination.
That is a fact. You can't deny that.
You can die from an aspirin tablet, you can get anaphylaxis from anything. So you can die from it.
It is unconstitutional to prescribe something that could potentially kill you.
It violates the right to life.
On the one hand, people don't know about it because it's sold as compulsory and vaccines
can only be good and you can't die from them.
In addition to the change in the law, there must also be an awareness campaign to sensitize people.
Compulsory vaccination must be abolished and people must be informed about the benefits, disadvantages, risks, etc.
of vaccination - by doctors, the media and the government.
Dr. András Guseo: And then, if you look at today, the CDC, which we have mentioned several times, the US Center for
Disease Control, which is the American agency for epidemiology, is also the distributor of vaccines.
It is therefore directly related to the vaccine manufacturers, and it is in their interest to bring as many
vaccines onto the market as possible. That is clear.
The main problem is that when I started my profession 60 years ago and took my specialist exams in
neurology and psychiatry, the term autoimmunity existed, but it was not associated with disease.
I had never heard of autism and we had learned nothing about it.
Today, both types of disease are on the rise.
Well, you can see the increase here, and we can already speak of a pandemic today, because there is no
family in whose sight there is no autoimmune disease.
There isn't a family in sight that doesn't have a child with autism or a child with behavioral problems.
THE MAINSTREAM ALLOWS NO CONTRADICTION
Dr. András Guseo: One very important point I would like to make is that there is no official study on
vaccination that looks at the late effects of vaccination.
What happens to vaccinated people 10, 20, 30 years later?
In the USA there is a study called VAERS , in which 35,000 vaccinated and unvaccinated people were examined.
It turned out that the vaccinated were much sicker, had more confirmed illnesses, went to the doctor more often
than the unvaccinated, and the unvaccinated were healthier.
But they don't want people to talk about it, and that's why there's actually no data on it, and that's the biggest problem:
Science today has so much control over scientific publications that if someone wants to write
something that is not mainstream, it will not be published.
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: And another very important thing that András said, because there are doctors, although very
few, who dare to write that the child cannot be vaccinated.
And the public health service is initiating proceedings against these doctors because they wrote this.
Of course that's not what they say.
Some affected doctors simply get a call that they should never dare to do this again.
An official process is initiated against others with various justifications.
And so that people know the rules: If the health authority finds a violation - and this also applies to private individuals and
even parents who don't get vaccinated - they can be fined from 30,000 forints to 5 million forints , and
this can be repeated several times for each violation.
Most doctors can therefore expect reprisals even if they verbally admit or report a side effect.
Moderator: Will that change? Is what we have been talking about going to change? You've been around for a few years now?
Dr. András Guseo: We hope that something will change. We have tried.
About six months ago, we invited the leading representatives of the profession to a meeting to discuss this problem, to find
out their point of view and to put forward our point of view.
But it was like an iron curtain:
Nobody came, and afterwards at the press conference, to which we had invited 40 members
of the press, the same iron curtain followed.
So there is no dialog.
So how can there be a change?
Dr. Angelika Mihalik: Well, András said that nobody accepted the invitations.
They force compulsory vaccinations and... Hungary is really the only country in the world where
there is such a vaccination terror. I checked it out.
Only one child in a small county has received relief.
We're struggling, and we're at a point where in court, in trial, after losing a case, we feel like we're
losing all of our cases. Despite the evidence that we have.
And the judge, because he already has pangs of conscience, says it's no problem, we can resubmit
the application for exemption from vaccination.
And everything starts all over again.
Not just one judge says that, but several.
So we start the processes all over again, again and again.
Some children are kept alive in this way.
The whole legal system is designed in such a way that we practically had to invent a legal way
out - it's a kind of perpetual motion machine.
If we can't manage to get the child exempted from vaccination, we at least want to keep the
exemption procedure going for as long as possible.
Because as long as this is running, they can't fine us or take the child away to vaccinate it.
That's why we keep repeating this.
And there is something else important to say about the measures against us.
We are three lawyers who deal with these cases.
And all three of us call them anti-vaccinationists and claim that we are a danger to society.
They are initiating disciplinary proceedings against us - and if we were to lose our membership of the Bar Association as a
result, we would no longer be allowed to practise as lawyers.
One of my colleagues was acquitted.
Disciplinary proceedings are pending against me because I am an "anti-vaccination activist who is dangerous to society".
And the other colleague is also the subject of disciplinary proceedings. So ...
Moderator: When I talk about such topics in my videos, I always say that you don't have to believe me.
I say: Take a look and draw your own conclusions.
This is a question of information.
And with so much information, like in this interview, people can get started on the Internet.
Moderator: Thank you very much!