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Ho tloha ka bo-1990, makgotla a malapa a ntse
a fana ka mofuta o itseng wa kahlolo diqabang

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tsa tlhokomelo ya bana e seng molemong wa bona.

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Bana ba makgolo ba phetseng hantle le ba
ikamahantseng hantle le setjhaba ba ntse ba nkelwa mme, bao

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boholo ba bona e leng batswadi ba se nang balekane.

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Bo-'mè ha ba qosoa ka pefo, tlhekefetso kapa tlhokomoloho, empa
ho qosoa ka ho thoe ho na le tšitiso kamanong ea bona le ngoana.

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Qoso e khahlanong le bo-'mè ke hore ba ile ba hlatsoa likelello
tsa bana ba bona ho etsa hore ba be le seo ho thoeng ke Parental

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Alienation Syndrome, kapa ka bokhutšoanyane PAS, e leng se
entseng hore ba hane ntate oa bona eo pele ba neng ba mo rata.

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Ha e le hantle, lipatlisiso tsa Dr Herbert Renz-Polster li fana
ka maikutlo a hore tlhahlobo ena e qosoang ke qapi ea ngaka ea

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mafu a kelello ea bana le bacha e neng e batla ho e
sebelisa ho sekamisetsa linyeoe tsa tlhokomelo ea bana

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lehlakoreng la bo-ntate ba belaelloang ka thobalano le bana.

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Ka hona o qapile mokgwa o phethahetseng wa ho
phetola dikarolo tsa molotsana le lehlatsipa.

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Qetellong ea 2024, ngaka ea bana, rasaense le 'muelli oa sechaba
Renz-Polster o phatlalalitse lipatlisiso tsa

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hae mabapi le semelo sa 'nete sa khopolo-taba
ea PAS blogong ea hae "kinder-verstehen.de".

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Kla.TV e akaretsa karolo ea pele ea tlaleho ea eona e
batlisisitsoeng hantle le e pharaletseng bakeng sa hau:

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Dr Renz-Polster o qetile makgolo a dihora dilemong tsa moraorao
a hlahloba kgopolo ya Parental Alienation Syndrome, e tlo bitswa

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PAS ka bokgutshwane, mme a bala dingolwa tsa moqapi wa yona.

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O ile a leka ho fumana hore na balatedi ba mohopolo
ona ba kgonne jwang ho etsa hore "tlhahlobo" ena e se

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nang kelello e amohelehe setjhabeng makgotleng a malapa.

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Leha ho utlwahala e le ntho e sa kgoloeheng, dilemong tse mashome
tse fetileng – mme ho fihlela bonyane ka 2023 – mme ofe

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kapa ofe naheng ena a ka lahlehelwa ke tokelo ya ho hlokomela
kapa hona ho bona ngwana wa hae feela ka ho qoswa ka PAS.

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Ka nako e 'ngoe, ho qosa 'mè feela hore o mamelisa ngoana oa
hae hangata haholo kapa nako e telele haholo ho ka lekana.

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Liqoso tsa PAS kapa tsa "symbiosis" joale li se li ntlafalitsoe
ke lihlopha tsa lipolotiki tse nang le maqhama a matla ho ba

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libetsa tseo ho leng thata ho itšireletsa
khahlanong le tsona linyeoeng tse qabang tsa

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tlhokomelo ea bana, ho latela Herbert Renz-Polster.

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Metswedi ya kgopolo ya PAS

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Ngaka Richard Gardner, 'ntate' wa kgopolo e tsosang kgang, o
ile a bolela ka botebo le ka tiisetso e feletseng: 'Tlhekefetso

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ya thobalano ha se hakaalo e leng kotsi kelellong ya ngwana.'

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Hore na ngoana o tshwenyeha kelellong ke
tlhekefetso ho itshetlehile ka hore na

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setjhaba se nka diketsahalo tse jwalo jwang.

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Bana ba hlekefelitsoeng ka thobalano ba utloa bohloko hobane
sechaba sa rona se arabela ka ho feteletseng tlhekefetso ea bana.

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Bana ka tlhaho ba na le takatso ea thobalano 'me ba ka qala
liketso tsa thobalano le batho ba baholo ka ho ba 'kheholla'.

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Ha kamano ea thobalano e senoloa, ngoana o tla etsa eka motho e
moholo ke eena ea e qalileng 'me ke eena ea lokelang ho qosoa.

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Setsebi seo ho thoeng ke sona se ntan'o hlalosa
moelelo o tebileng ka morao ho likamano tsa thobalano

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lipakeng tsa batho ba baholo le bana ka tsela e latelang:

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Ka 'nete, thobalano ea ba malapa ke
'tloaelo e molemo bakeng sa liphatsa tsa lefutso',

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kaha e 'boloka bohloeki ba moloko oa mali'.

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Ho kopanela liphate le bana ho ne ho tla eketsa palo ea bana.

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Lintlha tse ling tsa hae tse nyonyehang le liqoso li tla
le bolokeloa, bashebelli ba ratehang, kaha 'maikutlo'

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a hae a qaqileng a setsebi a fetoha a nyonyehang haholo.

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Empa se sa lokelang ho hlokomolohuoa ntlheng ena ke 'nete ea
hore tlhaho ka boeona ha e mamelle thobalano ea batho ba malapa.

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Ka lebaka le utlwahalang, ka hoo, dinaha tse
ngata di na le melao e hanelang thobalano ya malapa.

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Kotsi ea mafu a lefutso le a mang e kholo
haholo, 'me sekhahla sa mafu har'a bana ba

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tsoaletsweng ka thobalano e hanetsweng se phahame.

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Leha ho le jwalo, ho hlakile hore mona re bua ka peto ya bana.

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Mona ke qotso e tsoang ho ofisiri ea
mehleng ea Scotland Yard le moqosi Jon Wedger:

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" mme ke ile ka fumana hamorao feela hore basadi ba ne ba sa
kgone ho ba le bana hobane matswele a bona a ne a

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sa be boemong bo nepahetseng ka lebaka la tshenyo
e neng e entswe mebeleng ya bona e sa tswa hola."

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Banna ba ne ba na le bothata ba ho se laole masepa le
mathata a mokokotlo hobane mala a bona a ne a

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phatlohetse le lintho tse joalo. Mme ha re utloe letho ka hona!

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Bohloko bo bakang, bohloko ba 'mele ebe kotsi e mpe!"

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Monghadi Gardner a ka pheha kgang jwang, leha ho
na le dintlha tse jwalo, hore bopedi ke "boemo" boo

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motho ya amehileng a se nang matla ho bo lwantsha?

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Paedophilia e hlaha maiphihlelong a matle a
thobalano lipakeng tsa bana le batho ba baholo.

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Kgotsofalo e matla ya thobalano eo ngwana a e
fumanang e tiisa hore bana ba hlekefelitsweng hamorao

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ba tla batla ho etsa se tshwanang ho bana ba bona:

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"Ho bonolo ho utlwisisa hore na ngwana a ka 'tlwaela'
maiphihlelo a jwalo jwang mme a be a lakatsa kgotsofalo

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ya kgafetsa ya mofuta o tshwanang," ho rialo Gardner.

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Mothating ona, bonyane, motho o ipotsa hore
na ke hobaneng monna enoa a sa ka a qosoa,

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empa ho e-na le hoo a fuoa tlotla ea setsebi!

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Mabapi le Ngaka Richard Gardner

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Gardner o ne a nyetse mme a na le bana ba bararo;
lenyalo la hae le Lee Gardner le ile la qetella ka tlhalo.

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Qalong, e ne e le ngaka ea mafu a kelello ea bana le bacha, empa
hamorao a fetisetsa tlhokomelo ea hae haholo-holo mosebetsing

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oa ho ba paki e hloahloa ea tsa kelello makhotleng a malapa.

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O ipolaile a le dilemo di 72 .

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Linyeweng tse 400 ho pholletsa le linaha tse
25 tsa US, bareki ba hae e ne e le

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haholo-holo bo-ntate ba qosoang ka tlhekefetso ea bana.

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Ho feta moo, Gardner o ile a sebetsa lingoliloeng tse 'maloa, ho
kenyeletsa libuka tse fetang 40 le lingoloa tse makholo, tseo

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boholo ba tsona a ileng a li phatlalatsa ka
boeena ka k'hamphani ea khatiso eo a e thehileng

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e le ea hae feela bakeng sa mesebetsi ea hae .

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Maeto a hae a lipuo a ile a mo isa hohle
lefatšeng – ho kenyeletsa le Jeremane.

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Mesebetsing ea hae, Richard Gardner o ile a ngola haholo-holo
maikutlo le litumelo tsa hae, tseo a neng a li thehile

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e le paki e hloahloa likhohlanong tsa tlhokomelo ea bana.

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Richard Gardner ha a ka a etsa dipatlisiso tsa hae, ebile
ha a ka a ba karolo ya sehlopha sa saense se sebetsang.

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Dipampiri tse mmalwa tse neng di hlaha ka mokgwa
o sa kgaotseng dijenaleng tsa mahlale di ne di

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dula di tsosa dipuisano tse matla hara ditsebi.

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Kaha ka nako e 'ngoe baithuti ba tsoang Univesithing ea Columbia
ba ne ba mo latela mosebetsing oa hae, o ne a tšoere tlotla ea

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"profesa oa kliniki" – e se nang kamano le bo-profesa ba sebele.

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O ne a boetse a thabela ho ngola ka ntshetsopele ya kelello le
tsa botona le botšehali ya masea le bana ba banyenyane – e

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tletseng ka dipolelo tse tshosang mabapi le ditoro tsa bona
tseo ho thoeng ke tsa thobalano ya molomo le bo-ntate ba bona.

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Leha ho le joalo, Kla.TV e emisa tlaleho mabapi le litoro
tse makhethe le tse sa tsoeleng habonolo tsa Gardner mona.

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Lipotso tsa hore masea le bana ba thetsa bapaterena ba bona li
senola ka ho hlaka hore na Gardner e ne e le motho oa mofuta ofe.

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Mme ke ntho e makatsang hore ebe o ne a tsejwa e le "paki ya
setsebi" dinyeoeng tsa tlhokomelo ya bana ka dilemo tse mashome.

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Ho phetloa ha sehlola le mohlaseluoa ka PAS

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Gardner o ile a fihlella katleho e kgolo ka bohlale
bohle dilemong tsa bo-1980 ka kgopolo ya hae ya PAS.

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Jwalokaha ho ile ha bonahala kapele ditshekong tsa tlhokomelo ya
bana moo Gardner a neng a le paki ya setsebi, o ne a iketseditse

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sesebediswa se nang le mesebetsi e mengata ka bokulo bona bo neng
bo belaellwa, se neng se ka sebediswa ho fetola

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ditsheko tsa tlhokomelo ya bana tse neng di na le
dikgang tse bohale hore di tle di mo tshehetse.

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"Thipa ea Swiss Army" e boletsoeng e na le moqhaka o bonolo: e
leng, kholiseho ea hore bana ka tlhaho – ke hore, ka

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liphatsa tsa lefutso – ba hokahane le batsoali ba bona
le hore kamehla ba rata batsoali ka bobeli ka ho lekana.

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Lerato lena bakeng sa batsoali ka bobeli le
bohlokoa haholo bakeng sa bophelo; ke lona feela

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le ka tiisetsang khōlo e feletseng ea ngoana.

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Dr Renz-Polster o hanyetsa ka matla: "Kamano e
bontsha bonngwe bo phedilweng le bo utlwilweng

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hammoho, (...) ha se feela sephetho sa kamano ya madi."

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Leha ho le jwalo, Gardner o ile a sebedisa ntlha ena dinyeweng
tsa tlhekefetso moo ho neng ho se ho pakilwe hore

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ntate o entse tlhekefetso ya thobalano – le moo potso e
neng e le hore na ho lokela ho etsahalang ka moetsadibe.

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Mona, o ne a atisa ho pheha kgang
a sebedisa leraba la ho qheletsa:

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Ngoana ea hlekefelitsoeng o lokela ho lula a hokahane le
moetsi oa bobe hobane, ka tlhaho, o hloka batsoali ka bobeli

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bakeng sa khōlo ea hae 'me ha e le hantle o ba rata ka bobeli.

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Ka hona, ho hlokahala hore ho nkoe
"tlhokomelo e khethehileng hore ngoana a se ke a

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qheletsoa ka thoko ho motsoali ea mo hlekefetsang".

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Ka hona, ho tlosa moetsi wa tlolo ya molao ho ngwana ho lokela ho
"nahanelwa ka botebo feela ha mekgwa yohle ya ho phekola bokhoba

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ba bana le ho kopanya lelapa hape e hlakile hore e hlotsoe".

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Haeba ngoana a hana ntate eo a
tlamelletsoeng le eena ke melao ea khale, joale sena se ke

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ke sa thehoa holim'a boikhethelo ba ngoana.

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Etsoe, ena ha se boitšoaro ba tlhaho.

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Ho feta moo, haeba ngoana a le manganga ebile a
sa rutoe ho haneng ha hae, joale e tlameha e be

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ke mano a 'mè ea ferekaneng a le ka morao ho hona.

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Ngaka Gardner o bitsitse bokulo
bona Parental Alienation Syndrome.

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Kahoo, sebakeng sa ho tlosa moetsi oa tlhekefetso ho sireletsa
ngoana, mohato oa pele ke ho etsa hore tlhekefetso

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eo ntate a e etsang ho ngoana e bonahale e le
ntho e tloaelehileng ka hohle kamoo ho ka khonehang.

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Ka lehlakoreng le leng, Gardner o ne a nyatsa
kalafo ea kelello bakeng sa bana ba hlekefelitsoeng.

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Ka lebaka lena, motho o lokela ho "hlalosetsa
ngoana hore ha ho na batsoali ba phethahetseng".

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Motho a ka boela a mo bolella "ka merero e meng
moo boitšoaro bona bo nkoang bo tloaelehile".

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Ho latela Dr Renz-Polster, mosebetsi oohle oa
Gardner o ka akaretsoa polelong e latelang:

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Tlhekefetso ea thobalano ea bana ha se hobe ka
tlhaho – bothata ke kamoo re e nkang kateng.

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PAS e le sesebelisoa sa maikutlo a litsebi a seng molaong

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Dihlahlobo tsa PAS, ho kenyeletsa "ho ikamahanya ho kotsi" ,
hammoho le dihlahlobo tse amanang le tsona tse kang "ho se

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mamelle kamano," di tumme haholo hara ditsebi tse itseng tsa
dinyewe tsa tlhokomelo ya bana, baemedi ba molao, esita le

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diofising tse ding tsa boiketlo ba batjha le makgotleng a malapa.

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Marangrang a litsebi a ikhethile ka ho fetola qoso ena hantle
hore e be "sebetsa sa maqiti likhohlanong tsa tlhokomelo ea

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bana," joalo ka ha Prof. Jörg Fegert, motsamaisi oa tsa
bongaka Tleliniking ea Tsebo-maling ea Bana le Bacha

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Sepetleleng sa Univesithi ea Ulm, a bitsa mohopolo ona oa PAS.

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Mme mekgatlo e amehang ya kgatello e dumela ka tieo hore kgopolo
ena e tla ba nolofalletsa ho tiisa "ditokelo tsa bontate".

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Setsebi sa tsa sechaba Dr. Wolfgang Hammer o
tiisa sena ka ho hlaka ka lithuto tsa 2022 le

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2024 – mona ke qotso e tsoang ho Renz-Polster:

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"Liketsahalo tsena ha se tsa ketsahalo e ikemetseng."

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Taba ea hore bana ba phelang hantle sechabeng ba amohuoa
mohlokomeli oa bona oa mantlha, 'ba nkeloa sebaka' kapa 'ba isoa

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tlhokomelong ea mmuso' ntle le mabaka a tloaelehileng, a
utloahalang joalo ka tlhokomoloho kapa bophatsa bo pakiloeng –

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ka morao ho sena ho na le maikutlo a ipatileng ka 'saense'."

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Tlalehong ea hae, Hammer o hlalosa ka botlalo
bo boholo motheo oa likahlolo, tseo peresente e

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phahameng ea tsona e ka saloang morao ho PAS.

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Ho na le esita le diqeto tsa lekgotla le phahameng la dinyewe tse
bolelang hore bo-mme ba arohanya bana le ba

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bang kapa ba iqapela ditlhekefetso le
tlhekefetso ya mmele e le feela ho thibela kgokahano.

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Dipale tse jwalo ha di ka ke tsa lokafatswa ka mabaka a botsebi
kapa a molao, empa di theha motheo wa

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diqeto tse ka bakang ditlamorao tse bolaeang ho
bana le bo-mme. Ngaka Renz-Polster o ngola:

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"Mme tsamaiso ena e thehilwe hodima
dikgopolo tse fosahetseng (mme, ka maikutlo a ka, tse

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nang le diphoso) tsa monna enwa (Gardner)."

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Qetellong, polelo ea Ngaka Herbert Renz-Polster

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Ke ikemiseditse ho supa ho se lekalekane ho
totobetseng hoo ho qetetseng ho hlokomolohuwa

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nako e telele haholo ke ditsebi tse ngata haholo.

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Leha ho le jwalo, tshwenyeho ya ka e kgolo ke hore PAS, 'ho se
mamelle kgokahano', 'kgokahano ya symbiotic', ke hore, dikamano

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tsa boitlamo tse kotsi, di sebediswa ke dihlopha
tsa kgothaletso tse nang le thahasello e le

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mokgwa wa maqiti wa ho tiisa dithahasello tsa tsona.

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Ntlha ea ka ke hore bana ba 'nile ba, 'me ba ntse
ba, hlekefetsoa ka lebaka la 'diagnoses' tsena.

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Mme ke hobaneng ha baahlodi ba bang, babuelli ba molao
le baemedi ba molao ba hloleha ho bona tlhoka-toka ena?

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E, motho o ne a tla tlameha ho nahana hore ba bile ba e pata!

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Ivo Sasek o nyatsa ka ho toba boiketlo bona ba makhotla a
dinyewe dithutong tsa hae tsa "Dithuto tse Supileng"

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mme o ba ipiletsa hore qetellong ba etse mosebetsi wa bona.

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3. Ho baahlodi maemong ohle le mekgatlo ya yona ya phethahatso

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Mohlomphehi, bachochisi le masole a tšireletso: ho sa tsotellehe
molao o hlakileng hantle, le mpa le ile la shebella feela ha

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ponogirafi e ntse e etsetsoa hore e fumanehe habonolo le
ho bana ba banyenyane ka ho fetisisa lefatšeng ka

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bophara, ho fihlela ho li-laptop le mehala ea bona ea letsoho.

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Ha le a ka la kena-lehlakore ha ba qalang ho ba le thobalano ba
sa le banyenyane ba qala ho silafatsa bana ba rona ba

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seng ba le lilemong tsa kereche ka ho itheola, thobalano ea
ka morao, ho metsa peo ea botona le tse tšoanang le tsona.

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Ho fihlela kajeno, o ntse o thotse ka
pela bafeteletsi ba bana ba se nang palo.

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Nakoana pele lenaneo lena le hasoa, Ngaka Renz-Polster o
rometse sehlopha sa bahlophisi sa Kla.TV molaetsa oa bohlokoa

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