In our studio we welcome Karl Hummitzsch from "United for Freedom", a human rights
organization, an independent human rights organization.
And Mr. Hummitzsch, thank you very much for taking the time today for this interview and for answering our burning questions.
I would also like to thank you very much on behalf of our organization for giving us the
opportunity to focus on the issue of human rights.
Because I think the population knows relatively little about it. This is a good time for it.
Great! Human rights issues - you probably spend a lot of time abroad in so-called "rogue states".
No, absolutely not. So we're not judging what a rogue state is, we're looking at the people who have problems with persecution,
with human rights issues that they're at the mercy of, the authorities, the courts,
the prosecutors. And we look at both sides.
Ah yes, okay. And where are you mainly traveling then?
So we are responsible and represented in Hungary, Poland and Germany.
I am responsible for Germany and, among other things, I also deal with issues relating to the
jurisdiction of the cases we have here in Germany.
Okay. Human rights violations in Germany - how should I imagine this as a layperson?
After all, we have the best democracy of all time.
How can there be human rights violations in Germany? Do you perhaps have an example?
No, there is not a mass of human rights violations, but we are finding that there are certain areas, certain people who are
particularly under attack, where we are also under the impression that these are
political persecutions and not simply criminal ones.
There is also the mixture and we have some cases. Maybe we can talk about that.
Yes, go ahead. What example do you have up your sleeve?
Well, we can start with one of the best-known cases, Mr. Füllmich, who is politically exposed on the one
hand, but has also been criminally charged and we are faced with the question of how to deal with this.
And have determined that there may be human rights violations here.
In what way?
Here we can refer to the Special Representative of the United Nations, who states that detention
with solitary confinement for 15 days, is torture.
We have observed this and established that an offense has been committed here, because half a year of solitary
confinement has already begun. Source: United Nations General Assembly, 2011, § 58, 59, 70-71, 76, 79, 80]
Solitary confinement?
Solitary confinement, already carried out.
Six months in solitary confinement for Mr. Füllmich?
You can't even imagine it.
And when does that count as torture?
From 15 days according to the UN.
Okay.
That means the time has come for us to intervene.
Okay, how should the viewer imagine that now?
So Mr. Füllmich has now been in solitary confinement for 15 days, well over 15 days.
It's very unpleasant at first, I can imagine. And why do you have to rate it so highly? Does it have any consequences?
That has consequences, of course.
It means that life expectancy is considerably reduced.
Through solitary confinement?
There are elaborations.
Maybe we can show that in the program here. .
Okay.
Perhaps as a link.
So if there is torture and that is 15 days according to UN regulations, then of course we feel called upon to intervene.
Yes, that's colossal. Okay, let's take note of it.
Reiner Füllmich, Solitary confinement, violation of human rights.
A very clear case. From 15 days, it counts as torture according to UN regulations. And he had six months.
It's extreme what's going on there. Do you have any similar examples from the prison system? Another similar one, right?
There are similar ones, of course. But in this case we have worked out an elaboration.
We have presented this to the lawyers. I'll show it very briefly here.
We have submitted around 20 pages of a first edition to the lawyers. They can then work with it.
From Mr. Füllmich?
For Mr. Füllmich, we have submitted this to the lawyers.
And they then work with it, proceed with it.
And in the meantime, the conditions of detention have also been eased.
Because of your elaboration?
Yes, among other things.
Of course, the lawyers then continue to work with it, so they have the human rights addition to the topic.
Wonderful.
And they then have opportunities to continue working with the relevant organizations.
They take our documents. They have also been incorporated into the plea.
And then we see results and then withdraw.
We don't have to make big stories out of it. It will happen automatically.
But we have nothing to do with criminal matters.
All right, but apart from that and in other words:
If you hadn't done your work now, would Mr. Füllmich still be stewing away in solitary confinement?
Well, he had been stewing for half a year before we intervened.
So we did that on our own. We are not called upon to do this.
We register, go into the courtroom with permission, listen to it and then have our conversation with the chief defense
attorney, clarify it and they then take over and work through it.
Great. Yes, fine. Now conditions of detention.
Do you have another example where you could perhaps give us, the viewer and us...
Well, of course it's a very unpleasant memory for me when we have to get someone out of prison.
We have here the case of a lady in her 40s who, in our opinion, is not capable to be imprisoned.
We received a kind of emergency call in the evening.
I then went to the prison in Vechta. The lady is not fit for prison at all.
How did that manifest itself with this lady?
She can't walk at all.
She fell down on the first day in prison.
She couldn't walk at all and we went there and felt compelled to get her out immediately.
I then took her in. I have to say, on the one hand, how can you even put a person like that in prison?
And on the other hand, you also have to thank the supervisory staff, who I think were very happy to be rid of her.
They didn't know what to do with her. She had fallen, she was injured.
The hospital was right next door, but nobody cared.
I got her out of there and documented it.
The woman could not walk at all - only in pain.
I took her to the hospital, which was right next door.
They also made negative comments and didn't want to examine her properly.
Then we put a lot of pressure on them, so we put our organization behind it.
We were naturally very annoyed, but we managed to push it through.
I spent the whole night at the hospital. The woman was completely terrified, of course.
And I stayed close by until she was through with the examinations.
Then they refused to issue a certificate of incapacity for imprisonment.
We were able to get that far. I then left her with her friend.
And what happens next is again beyond our control.
Okay, but let me summarize.
If someone is unfit for detention and is nevertheless imprisoned, this is a violation of human rights.
Karl Hummitzsch: Absolutely.
And that's where you become active?
Karl Hummitzsch: Yes.
Wonderful, wonderful! And you were able to get the lady out of prison, hand her over to health care. Wonderful.
Do you have another case of human rights violations?
The fact is, we can't imagine what kind of human rights violations there are.
From practice - what else pops up for you as a particularly important case?
Of course we have many small cases.
But there are the well-known ones, if I may go into them.
Yes, with pleasure.
The case of Walter Weber, for example, a doctor.
There are said to be around 1000 doctors who have been accused of issuing mask certificates.
You also have to look at the fact that there are many thousands of doctors who have not issued a certificate, but we are dealing
with people who have had to be released for health reasons.
Walter Weber, for example, is an oncologist, so he also has cancer patients who are in urgent need of relief.
Nevertheless, he was brought to court.
I took part in almost all the court trial days.
It is very surprising when you consider what happens in the run-up.
Not just in the case, in the proceedings themselves. We call it a kind of pre-trial punishment.
This means that 27 days of court hearings have been scheduled.
For Dr. Walter Weber?
In advance.
As a deterrent, that's how we see it. You have to reckon with 3000 euros.
Add some ancillary costs, surveyors and so on, and you're quickly up to 100,000 euros!
100,000 euros before he was even sentenced to anything.
The man is innocent. And he is facing a fine of 100,000 euros.
He has also been vilified on public transport with posters.
Then they visited him at home with 15 people, 12, 15 police officers.
Heavily armed with helmets and everything that goes with it.
An unparalleled intimidation for an 80-year-old man with his wife at home.
Then, after tidying up the place, so to speak, they took photos.
Of course, you can imagine what that looked like.
Like a battlefield!
But absolutely!
And the photos were published - it is incomprehensible to us how a court can do such a thing - they then published them.
There is an audience. The audience area was always full.
And it was then shown in public what it looks like at his home.
A slur, so I'm at a loss for words.
So, by the way, what happens to you in the proceedings when you come before this justice system.
Yes. The questions of justice are one thing.
Human rights violations due to intimidation, due to fear, due to the destruction of property
through such intrusions, through such house searches.
These are human rights violations. And you are taking action. Very good.
And what is the best way to protect yourself if you get caught in one of these mills?
Is there anything you can support or would like to support?
It is of course our task to support people who are being persecuted in human rights issues.
We do not deal with matters relevant to criminal law.
That's what the lawyers do. We support the lawyers.
For example, we currently have a case in Heidelberg, a vaccine injury, a serious vaccine injury.
We work directly with the lawyers, we are represented in the court proceedings and I want to
show the work we do so that people can imagine it.
You always think they go there and tell stories or get upset. It's not like that.
We really do work. Here, for example, we have a document for this court case in Heidelberg. I just want to show it.
That's quite a lot of pages. Approximately how many pages are there?
That's about 70 pages.
This is just the result of our work.
We have pored over thousands of pages of contracts, vaccination damage, i.e. the
contracts with BioNTech and so on have been drawn up.
A month's work went into it. And as I said, this is a document that has never existed before.
And we make this available to lawyers who deal with vaccine injuries. But demonstrably.
We need file numbers, we need the lawyer and then we provide this free of charge.
So in this case, vaccine damage as a human rights violation.
Yes, exactly. That is a violation of human rights, as we see it.
Politicians have promised a reappraisal time and time. But nothing comes of it.
In other words, we have to use court cases to try to get clarification.
Scientists have been trying to document this for a long time and are also publicly discriminated against, so to
speak, so that people don't believe the things that scientists say when they don't conform to the government.
So we have the opportunity to hopefully get justice through court cases if we are right.
Great. So human rights violation in this case because of the human right, the fundamental right to the integrity of
the body, which was then practically crossed out due to such a vaccination and the resulting vaccine damage.
That concerns the vaccination damage, that concerns the mask issues.
As we also saw in the Hamburg case with Walter Weber, the court's expert witness, Dr. Ondruschka, Professor Dr. Benjamin
Ondruschka, found that the evidence that the mask helps is low.
And there is little evidence against the most dangerous virus of all time.
And yet Walter Weber is sentenced to one year and ten months in prison.
Yes, and intimidation to boot.
All that.
And disparagement in public. Where it says:
Human dignity is inviolable. But his dignity was massively violated.
And not just him. There were many doctors who felt the same way.
They are deprived of their livelihood.
They are no longer allowed to . Their licenses are withdrawn.
Their income is zero. We also have a case where the woman is poor and is now dependent on help from her neighbors.
In other words, the existence of people who do not express themselves in a politically conformist manner, who
represent their Hippocratic oath and not the opinion and demands of politics, which is not evidence-based either.
We know that politicians have made a political decision.
In this respect, court decisions cannot be evidence-based either.
So, you mean now, because of these RKI protocols, i.e. the protocols from the Robert Koch Institute, which prove that there
was no need at all for the Corona measures, for example, that there was no need to be
vaccinated, that there was no real protection at all.
They knew that and that there was no requirement and they were carried out anyway. So
this evidence-based approach didn't even exist.
Yes, in this respect we cannot expect evidence-based court rulings either.
That is political. And then the judgment is automatically political.
Yes, I understand very well. I understand very well.
We have now played through a few cases.
Do you have any other examples in your, shall I say, product range?
Yes, of course we also have examples from Hungary and Poland.
We ourselves are also affected as human rights defenders.
Are you affected yourself?
Yes, absolutely. We're not allowed to expose things done by the authorities, politicians or the courts.
It is our job to document this and also to publish it if there is no other way to handle it.
That means that your own people, who stand up for respect for human rights, for the observance of human
rights, who stand up for the people, are also attacked by the authorities, by the state?
Yes, blatantly. Perhaps I can point that out.
Yes, gladly, gladly. Very interesting.
For example, we have the founder of the organization, Udo Leibmann, a German who lives in Poland.
He was severely assaulted, almost died, was tortured twice and so on.
Tortured by whom?
In Poland, for example, by the police.
He was attacked very hard so that he barely survived. He continues to work, of course, and is not intimidated.
And of course, one of the best people we have on human rights issues at least in Germany, if not in Europe.
He is of course massively attacked in order to eliminate him.
After unsuccessful court proceedings, he was to be sent to a psychiatric institution.
I have to say that our lawyer who is responsible for international courts is licensed there. Attila
Monostory in Hungary and I went to the psychiatric appointment in Poland together to support Udo Leibmann.
We were successful. They didn't manage to put him in a psychiatric institution.
He continues to work. The same can be said of Attila Monostory.
May I interject again very briefly?
What law did Mr. Leibmann break in Poland that brought him to court or what did he do?
He had made negative comments about the war in the Ukraine.
And that's a crime?
That is then a crime in Poland. You can interpret that however you like and put him on trial.
It is not our impression that really substantial things are put forward, but that they are put together, an
attack is made on the person and then he is put on trial.
And if you don't have court proceedings as we know them from the past, but the public prosecutor's office or courts are
under political influence - we also have that here in Germany via the public prosecutor's offices, which are bound.
The public prosecutor cannot necessarily defend himself.
He could, but then his career is always over.
So these dependencies also exist in Poland and then something like this emerges.
And if you don't get anywhere with the court proceedings, which has been the case, then you go to a psychiatric institution.
Wow. That they say, okay, this man has, I'll say it casually, he has a quirk, we have to lock him up.
Right. An appointment was made with the psychiatrist, then we went to the building where these examinations take place.
As I said, Attila and I appeared together, with another press representative, and then we put an end to it.
That sounds like dark times in the Soviet Union, where dissidents were locked up, doesn't it? They
also locked them away in psychiatric institutions.
In psychiatric institutions, that's the perfidious thing about it.
You don't hang anyone. Where to put the body?
You can get rid of people in different ways.
Of course, you shouldn't kill someone either.
But of course it's clean to eliminate someone via psychiatry, then they're gone and forgotten. If they die, nobody notices.
Interesting.
They tried the same thing with Attila in Hungary.
What was that? How did it happen?
He took financial jugglers to court and defended the many people who were victims, financial
victims, which the government didn't like at all.
He uncovered corruption and things like that and then they had to get rid of him and alleged psychiatric
things, so they tried to put him in a psychiatric institution.
We do have deaths of human rights defenders.
This has been established by the scientific service.
In 2023 there were figures for 2021. 358 people, I think, human rights activists were killed in 2021 alone.
And with the few organizations, you can imagine that the rate is very high, apart from torture and other things, imprisonment,
destruction of livelihoods, that's all on the same track.
And this has also been documented by the European Parliament.
Okay. And you were able to box out your colleague in Hungary?
Yes, we were able to box him out too.
He is free today and can move around again and get back to work.
Great. But it's different in Germany than in Hungary and Poland. They are still free, at large.
We are of course forewarned.
Firstly, I have to say that we also need awareness among the population!
If we are left to our own devices and help each other with success, as in this case, you can't rely on that.
I myself have also been attacked. They tried with me too ... as you can see, I'm completely senile.
Sorry, yes.
That's why I'm here.
So they tried to disempower me too.
Really?
Yes. And then to take everything away from me.
Unbelievable.
Then you're persecuted. I have been summoned.
They also came to my house and tried to get in.
People have never seen me. They've never seen me in my whole life.
But they want to disempower me because I'm, I don't know, senile or whatever.
I never kept the appointment, but I received very good advice, immediately of course.
We know the dirty tricks, I have to be honest, I can't think of anything else.
And we immediately called in our lawyers here in Germany, too, for immediate advice.
And then Beate Bahner represented me and straightened things out so that I'm not in a psychiatric
institution. Otherwise I wouldn't be with you today.
That's wonderful. But how do you explain that?
How can it be that in Germany's model democracy, the judiciary is working against the people?
Or, let's put it this way, it works against investigators who want to uncover inconsistencies in order to eliminate
grievances? How does that come about? How can this happen?
It is of course not published in this form by the bodies responsible for this.
Here and there we are able to obtain information that is not actually intended for us.
Okay, that would be?
I've brought one thing with me as a sample.
Ah, that's interesting.
Perhaps we can read this out.
May I have a look?
This comes from Rhineland-Palatinate and Saarland.
Oh. What does it say? "Rhineland-Palatinate and Saarland, joint training program of the
Rhineland-Palatinate and Saarland judiciary.
Reichsbürger, Corona deniers, conspiracy theories and their supporters as a challenge
and danger to the judiciary." That is extreme.
Yes.
So, this has been leaked to you.
Yes. Sometimes we get our hands on the right things.
Sometimes we can also participate in certain training programs.
We are delighted when we receive such an invitation by mistake.
We are also relatively well informed, but we have not had the publicity so far, which is why we are so grateful to Kla.TV that
we can report today on how we work, that we also do serious work.
That means de facto, what we have just listed, people who, as far as I am concerned, are now taking on vaccine damage in the health
care system, even now because of mask tests - they simply fall under Corona deniers and are therefore a challenge, a danger
to the judiciary. And this is the subject of further training?
Yes.
It's no wonder that people like you are treated like an enemy, is it?
Yes. And then we fight for survival.
For people we don't even know, to help them.
And that means that we expect the population to take care of their own human rights first of all.
We are no longer with Adenauer and Helmut Schmidt.
We have the need and we call on people to take care of their own human rights and not to rely on others.
We help those who need help but are unable to help themselves.
Then we are there and then we also risk our existence, our lives, to help people.
Yes, great. Very good. So just from this brief conversation we've had, I can see that you really have your hands full, don't you?
You can say that. It's not easy, of course.
We can't just ask everyone: don't you want to join us? We know that many would like to...
But you would like to have more colleagues?
Yes, you could say that. But not at any price.
We would prefer to encourage certain initiatives in the various places where someone would like to take up
something in the direction of human rights and defense.
Can you be contacted in such a case?
You can get in touch with us if someone would like to set this up.
We can provide training and advice.
And if we realize that someone is really interested in participating, then we can ask people from this group to join us.
We on the Ethics Committee would then be responsible for approving this.
And they can then also work with "United for Freedom".
That's wonderful.
So we can bring our conversation to an end for today.
What you told us about your practical experience was very informative.
And we will show where anyone who is interested and would like to get involved and provide support can get in touch.
Thank you very much for the wonderful conversation, Mr. Hummitzsch.
And we wish you a lot of strength and your entire team a lot of staying power for your tasks.
Thank you very much.
I think that brings us a bit closer to the population.
You can see that we are not criminals, but that we actually want to help people. That's our job and nothing more.
Wonderful.
Thank you.
You're very welcome.