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Muna maraba da Karl Hummitzsch daga "United
for Freedom", wata ƙungiya mai zaman kanta ta

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kare hakkin ɗan adam, zuwa cikin studio ɗinmu.

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Kuma Mista Hummitzsch, na gode ƙwarai da ɗaukar lokaci
don yin wannan hira da amsa tambayoyinmu masu muhimmanci.

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A madadin ƙungiyarmu, ina so in nuna godiya ta gaskiya kan
damar da aka ba mu don mai da hankali kan batun hakkin ɗan adam.

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Saboda na yi imani cewa jama'a har yanzu ba su san abin da
za su yi da shi ba sosai. Yanzu lokaci ne mai kyau don hakan.

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Kyau! Batutuwan hakkin bil'adama – watakila kana yawan
tafiya ƙasashen waje zuwa abin da ake kira "jihar masu laifi".

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A'a, ba kwata-kwata. Ba mu yanke hukunci kan abin da ya sa wata
ƙasa ta zama mai laifi ba, sai dai muna mai da hankali kan

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mutanen da ke fuskantar tsanani, matsalolin kare hakkin
ɗan adam, waɗanda ke hannun hukumomi, kotuna da masu

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gabatar da ƙara na gwamnati. Kuma muna duba bangarori biyu.

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Ah eh, to. Kuma a ina kake yawon tafiya mafi yawa?

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Don haka mu ne ke da alhaki kuma muna
wakilci a Hungary, Poland da Jamus.

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Ni ne ke da alhakin Jamus, kuma daga cikin
sauran abubuwa, ina kuma kula da batutuwan hurumin

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kotu a cikin shari'o'in da muke da su a Jamus.

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To. Take hakkin ɗan adam a Jamus – a matsayin
mutum na yau da kullum, ta yaya zan fahimci wannan?

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Muna da dimokuradiyya mafi kyau da aka taba samu.

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Ta yaya ake samun take hakkin ɗan
adam a Jamus? Ko kuna da wani misali?

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A'a, ba a samu tarin take hakkin ɗan adam ba, amma mun lura cewa
akwai wasu wurare, wasu mutane da ake musamman

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niyya a kansu, inda muke ganin ana tsananta musu
saboda dalilai na siyasa, ba kawai saboda laifuka ba.

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Hakanan akwai gaurayawa, kuma muna da wasu
misalai na hakan. Wataƙila za mu iya tattauna shi.

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Eh, ci gaba. Wane misali kake ɓoye a hannunka?

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To, za mu iya fara da ɗaya daga cikin shahararrun shari'o'i,
Mista Füllmich, wanda a gefe guda yana da fice a

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siyasa, amma a gefe guda kuma ana tuhumar sa da laifuka,
kuma muna fuskantar tambayar yadda za mu magance wannan.

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Kuma mun tabbatar cewa watakila
an yi take hakkin bil'adama a nan.

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Ta wace hanya?

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Za mu iya nuni ga Mai Bayar da Rahoto na Musamman na Majalisar
Dinkin Duniya, wanda ya bayyana cewa kulle mutum a gidan yari

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tare da zaman kadaici na tsawon kwanaki 15 yana zama azabtarwa.

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Mun lura kuma mun tabbatar cewa wannan ya zama laifi,
domin watanni shida na zaman kadaici sun riga sun fara.

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Runtsewa shi kaɗai?

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Runtsewa shi kaɗai, an riga an aiwatar.

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Watanni shida a zaman kadaici ga Mista Füllmich?

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Ba zai yiwu a yi tunani ba.

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Kuma a wane lokaci ake ɗauka a matsayin azabtarwa?

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Daga kwanaki 15 bayan UN.

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To.

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Wannan yana nufin lokaci ya yi da mu shiga tsakani.

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To, yaya masu kallo ya kamata su yi tunanin wannan?

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Don haka Mista Füllmich yanzu ya shafe kwanaki 15 a
zaman kadaici, kuma har yanzu ya wuce kwanaki 15.

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Zan iya tunanin cewa a farko abin ba dadi ne sosai. Kuma me ya sa
ake hukunta shi da tsauri haka? Shin hakan na da wasu sakamako?

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Wannan yana da sakamako, tabbas.

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Wannan yana rage tsawon rayuwa sosai.

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Ta hanyar zaman kadaici?

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Akwai ƙarin bayani.

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Wataƙila za mu iya nuna hakan a cikin shirin nan.

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To.

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Wataƙila a matsayin mahaɗi.

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Don haka idan ana aiwatar da azabtarwa kuma, bisa ga
ƙa'idojin Majalisar Dinkin Duniya, ta riga ta yi

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tsawon kwanaki 15, to lallai muna jin dole mu tsoma baki.

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Eh, wannan abin birgewa ne. To, mu riƙe shi a tunani.

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Reiner Füllmich, zaman kadaici, take hakkin ɗan adam.

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Wannan lamari ne mai bayyananne. A cewar ƙa'idojin
Majalisar Dinkin Duniya, duk abin da ya wuce kwanaki 15

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ana ɗauka azabtarwa ne. Kuma ya shafe watanni shida.

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Wannan abin hauka ne, me ke faruwa a can?
Shin kuna da wasu misalai makamancin haka daga

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tsarin gidan yari? Wani makamancin haka, ko?

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Tabbas akwai wasu makamantan su. Amma a
wannan yanayin, mun gabatar da cikakken bayani.

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Mun mika wannan ga lauyoyi. Zan nuna shi a taƙaice anan.

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Mun mika shafuka kusan ashirin na farkon
tsarawa ga lauyoyi. Sannan za su iya aiki da shi.

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Daga Mr Füllmich?

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Ga Mista Füllmich, mun mika wannan ga lauyoyi.

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Sannan su yi aiki da shi, su ci gaba da shi.

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Kuma a halin yanzu, an kuma sauƙaƙa yanayin tsarewa.

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Bisa ga aikinku?

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Eh, daga cikin sauran abubuwa.

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Tabbas, lauyoyin za su ci gaba da aiki da shi, don haka
za su sami ƙarin bayani kan hakkin ɗan adam game da batun.

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Mai ban mamaki.

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Kuma daga nan suna da damar ci gaba da
aiki tare da ƙungiyoyin da suka dace.

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Kana ɗaukar takardunmu game da wannan batu.
An kuma haɗa wannan cikin hujjojin ƙarshe.

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Sannan mu ga sakamako, sannan mu ja da baya.

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Ba sai mun yi masa babbar magana ba. Zai faru da kansa.

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Amma ba mu da alaƙa da batutuwan laifi.

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To shikenan, amma mu ajiye hakan
gefe a yanzu kuma da wasu kalmomi:

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Da ba ka yi bincike ba, shin Mista Füllmich har
yanzu zai kasance a tsare shi shi kaɗai, a ware?

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Don haka ya riga ya yi jima na
watanni shida kafin mu shiga tsakani.

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Don haka mun yi hakan da kanmu. Ba a roƙe mu mu yi hakan ba.

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Muna yin rijista, shiga kotu da izini, saurari yadda ake gudanar
da shari'ar, sannan mu tattauna da babban

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lauya mai kare tuhuma, mu fayyace al'amari, su
karɓi ragamar shari'ar su kuma bi ta har karshe.

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Kyau. To, yanzu sharuɗɗan tsarewa.

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Shin kuna da wani misali daban inda
ku, mai kallo, kuma watakila mu...

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To, a fili yake cewa wannan tunani ne mai matuƙar rashin daɗi a
gare ni lokacin da muke buƙatar fitar da wani daga gidan yari.

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Muna da nan shari'ar wata mata mai shekaru arba'in wadda, a
ra'ayinmu, ba za a iya ɗaukar ta da alhakin ayyukanta ba.

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Mun karɓi wani irin kiran gaggawa da yamma.

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Sai na tafi Vechta zuwa gidan yari. Matar ba
ta dace a tsare ta a gidan yari ba kwata-kwata.

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Ta yaya hakan ya bayyana a kan wannan mace?

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Ba za ta iya tafiya kwata-kwata ba.

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Ya fadi a ranar farko ta aiwatarwa.

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Ba za ta iya tafiya ba, don haka muka tuka mota muka je
can, muka ji dole mu fitar da ita daga wurin nan take.

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Sai na karɓi su. Dole ne in faɗa, a gefe guda, ta
yaya za a ma tura irin wannan mutum gidan yari?

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A gefe guda kuma, dole ne mu gode wa
ma'aikatan kulawa, waɗanda na yi imani sun yi

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matuƙar farin ciki da an kwato su daga gare su.

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Ba su san abin da za su yi da ita ba. Ta fadi, ta ji rauni.

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Asibitin yana nan a gefen gida, amma babu wanda ya damu.

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Sai na fitar da su sannan na rubuta hakan.

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Mace ba za ta iya tafiya kwata-kwata ba – sai da ciwo.

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Na kai ta asibiti, wanda yake a gaba ɗaya.

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Sun kuma bayyana ra'ayoyi marasa kyau kuma
ba su so su bincika shi yadda ya kamata.

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Sa'an nan muka yi amfani da matsin lamba
sosai, muka sanya ƙungiyarmu a bayansa.

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Abu na dabi'a ne mu ji haushi
sosai, amma muka matsa muka ci gaba.

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Na kasance a asibiti duka dare. Mace ta firgita kwarai, tabbas.

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Kuma na tsaya a kusa har sai ta kammala gwaje-gwajenta.

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Sa'an nan suka ƙi bayar da takardar
shaida cewa ba a dace a tsare shi ba.

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Har nan ne kawai muka iya isa. Sai na sauke ta a gidan kawarta.

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Kuma abin da zai faru daga nan ba shi cikin ikonmu.

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To, amma bari in taƙaita.

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Idan wani ba shi da alhakin laifi amma duk da haka
aka daure shi, wannan ya zama take hakkin ɗan adam.

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Karl Hummitzsch: Tabbas.

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Kuma a nan ne kake shiga?

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Karl Hummitzsch: Eh.

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Abin al'ajabi, abin al'ajabi! Kuma kun samu
damar fitar da matar daga gidan yari ku

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mika ta ga tsarin kiwon lafiya. Abin al'ajabi.

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Shin kuna da wani lamari na take hakkin ɗan adam?

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Abin shi ne, ba za mu iya gaske tunanin
irin take hakkin ɗan adam da ake yi a can ba.

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Daga ƙwarewar aiki – wane wasu
muhimman lamura ne ke zo maka a rai?

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Tabbas, muna da ƙananan lamura da yawa.

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Amma akwai waɗanda aka sani sosai, idan zan iya ƙara bayani.

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Eh, don Allah.

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Ka ɗauki misalin Walter Weber, misali, likita.

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Ana cewa akwai kimanin likitoci 1,000 da ake
zargin sun bayar da takardun shaidar maski.

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Dole ne a kuma yi la'akari cewa akwai dubban likitoci da ba
su bayar da izini ba, amma muna magana ne game da mutanen da

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tabbas suna buƙatar a yi musu rangwame bisa dalilan lafiya.

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Misali, Walter Weber likitan sankara ne,
don haka yana da marasa lafiya masu sankara

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waɗanda ke buƙatar samun sauƙi cikin gaggawa.

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An gurfanar da shi a gaban kotu duk da haka.

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Na halarci kusan duk ranakun shari'ar.

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Yana da matuƙar mamaki idan ka yi
la'akari da abin da ya faru a baya.

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Ba wai kawai a cikin shari'ar ba, har ma a cikin tsarin shari'ar
kanta. Muna kiran wannan wani irin hukuncin laifi na baya.

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Wannan yana nufin an tsara zaman sauraron kotu na kwanaki 27.

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Don Dr Walter Weber?

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A gaba.

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A matsayin abin hana, haka muke
ganinsa. Dole ne ka yi la'akari da euro 3,000.

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Ƙaramin kuɗaɗen ƙari, masu bincike da sauransu, kuma
da sauri za ka ga kanka kana kallon fam ɗari dubu!

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Yuro 100,000 kafin ma a same shi da laifi.

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Mutumin ba shi da laifi. Kuma zai karɓi euro 100,000.

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Don haka, an yi masa ƙazantar suna a cikin
sufuri na jama'a ta hanyar allunan talla.

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Sa'an nan mutane 15, 'yan sanda
12 ko 15, suka ziyarce shi a gida.

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An cika shi da makamai sosai, tare
da hular kariya da duk kayan haɗi.

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Tursasawa marar misali ga wani mutum
mai shekaru 80 tare da matarsa a gida.

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Sa'an nan, bayan mun tsara wurin, kamar
yadda ake cewa, mun ɗauki wasu hotuna.

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Tabbas, mutum zai iya tunanin yadda hakan ya kasance.

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Kamar filin yaƙi!

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Tabbas!

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Kuma sun wallafa hotunan – ba za mu iya
fahimtar yadda kotu za ta iya yin irin wannan ba.

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Akwai masu sauraro. Wurin masu sauraro koyaushe cike yake.

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Sannan suka nuna wa kowa yadda gidansa yake.

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Kalmar zagi, na rasa abin faɗa.

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To, kawai dai, me ke faruwa da kai a cikin wannan
tsari idan ka tsaya gaban wannan tsarin shari'a?

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Eh. Tambayoyin da kotu ta ɗaga suna da wata magana daban.

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Keta hakkin bil Adama saboda tsoratarwa, saboda
tsoro, saboda lalata dukiya ta hanyar irin

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waɗannan tsoma baki, ta irin waɗannan binciken gida.

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Waɗannan takurawar hakkin ɗan adam ne. Kuma a
nan ne suke ɗaukar mataki. Mai kyau ƙwarai.

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Yanzu da ka jefa kanka cikin wannan matsala, wane
ne mafi kyawun hanya don kare kanka daga gare ta?

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Akwai wani abu da za ka iya, za ka so, ko za ka so ka tallafa?

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Tabbas, wajibcinmu ne mu tallafa wa mutanen da
ake tsananta musu saboda batutuwan hakkin ɗan adam.

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Ba mu shiga al'amuran da suka shafi dokar laifi ba.

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Wannan shi ne abin da lauyoyi ke yi. Muna goyon bayan lauyoyi.

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Alal misali, a halin yanzu muna da wani shari'a a Heidelberg da
ya shafi lahani sakamakon allurar rigakafi, lahani mai tsanani.

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Muna aiki kai tsaye tare da lauyoyi, ana wakiltar
mu a shari'o'in kotu, kuma ina so in nuna irin

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aikin da muke yi a can domin mutane su iya tunanin sa.

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Mutane kullum suna tunanin suna zuwa can ne
don su ba da labari ko su fusata. Ba haka bane.

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Muna aiki sosai. Misali, a nan muna da wata takarda game da wannan
shari'ar kotu a Heidelberg. Ina so kawai in nuna maka hakan.

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Wannan shafuka da yawa ne sosai. Kimanin nawa ne shafukan?

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Wannan kusan shafuka 70 ne.

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Wannan kawai sakamakon bayaninmu ne.

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Mun yi nazari sosai kan dubban shafuka na
kwangiloli, lahani na alluran rigakafi, don haka

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an shirya kwangiloli da BioNTech da sauransu.

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An shafe wata guda ana aiki a kai. Kuma kamar
yadda na ce, wannan takarda ce da ba ta wanzu tukuna.

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Kuma muna sanya wannan a shirye ga lauyoyi da
ke magance shari'o'in lahani na alluran

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rigakafi. Amma sai dai idan za a iya tabbatar da hakan.

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Muna buƙatar lambobin nuni, muna buƙatar
lauya, sannan za mu samar da wannan kyauta.

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Don haka a wannan yanayin, lahani na
allurar rigakafi a matsayin take hakkin ɗan adam.

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Eh, daidai ne. Wannan take ne ga hakkin bil'adama, a ganinmu.

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'Yan siyasa sun yi alkawari sau da yawa cewa za
su magance matsalar. Amma babu abin da ya faru.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa dole ne mu yi
ƙoƙarin samun ƙarin bayani ta hanyar shari'a.

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Masana kimiyya sun dade suna ƙoƙarin rubuta hakan, amma ana nuna
musu wariya a bainar jama'a, don haka mutane

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ba sa yarda da abin da masana kimiyya ke faɗa
idan bai yi daidai da manufofin gwamnati ba.

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Don haka muna da damar, da fatan za mu
yi nasara a kotu idan muna da gaskiya.

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Kyakkyawa. Don haka, a wannan yanayin, an take hakkin bil'adama,
musamman ma hakkin asali na cikakken lafiyar jiki, wanda aka rushe

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gaba ɗaya ta wannan allurar rigakafi da lahani da ta haifar.

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Wannan ya shafi lahani na allurar rigakafi da matsalolin maski.

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Kamar yadda muka gani a shari'ar Hamburg da ta shafi Walter
Weber, ƙwararren kotu Dr Ondruschka, Farfesa Dr

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Benjamin Ondruschka, ya gano cewa akwai
ƙarancin hujjoji da ke nuna cewa maski na taimakawa.

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Kuma kan ƙwayar cutar da ta fi kowacce
haɗari a ko wane lokaci, hujjoji kaɗan ne.

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Kuma duk da haka, an yanke wa Walter Weber
hukuncin shekara ɗaya da watanni goma a gidan yari.

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Eh, kuma tsoratarwa a saman haka.

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Duk wannan.

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Kuma ƙazantar suna a bainar jama'a. Lokacin da ya ce:

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Darajar ɗan adam ba za a iya take
ta ba. Amma an take darajarsa sosai.

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Kuma ba shi kaɗai ba ne. Akwai likitoci da yawa da suka ji haka.

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An hana su hanyoyin samun abin rayuwa.

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Ba a sake ba ka izinin yin aiki
ba. An soke lasisinka na yin likita.

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Kudaden shiga sune sifili. Hakanan muna da wani lamari inda
matar talaka ce kuma yanzu tana dogaro da taimakon makwabta.

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Wato, akwai mutane da ba sa bayyana ra'ayoyin da suka dace da
tsarin siyasa, waɗanda ke kiyaye rantsuwar Hippocratic kuma ba sa

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goyon bayan ra'ayoyi da buƙatun 'yan siyasa da ba su da hujja.

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Mun san cewa 'yan siyasa sun yanke shawarar siyasa.

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A wannan fanni, hukuncin kotu ba za su iya zama bisa hujjoji ba.

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Don haka, kuna nufin yanzu, saboda waɗannan ƙa'idodin RKI, wato
ƙa'idodin Cibiyar Robert Koch, waɗanda ke tabbatar

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da cewa ba a buƙatar matakan coronavirus, misali,
ba a buƙatar yin rigakafi, cewa babu ainihin kariya.

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Sun san hakan, kuma babu wata buƙata, amma duk
da haka an aiwatar da shi. Don haka wannan hanyar

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da ta dogara da hujjoji ba ta wanzu kwata-kwata.

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Eh, a wannan fanni ma ba za mu iya
tsammanin yanke hukunci na kotu bisa hujjoji ba.

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Wannan siyasa ce. Kuma sannan hukuncin ma ta atomatik siyasa ce.

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Eh, na fahimta sosai. Na fahimta sosai.

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Yanzu mun yi nazari kan wasu misalai kaɗan.

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Shin kuna da wasu misalai a cikin, mu ce, jerin kayayyakin ku?

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Eh, tabbas muna da misalai daga Hungary da Poland.

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A matsayinmu na masu kare hakkin
bil'adama, mu ma muna fuskantar tasiri.

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Shin kai kanka ka shafa?

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Eh, tabbas. Ba mu zama marasa aminci ba idan muka fallasa
abubuwan da hukumomi, 'yan siyasa da alkalai suka aikata.

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Aikinmu ne mu rubuta wannan kuma mu wallafa shi idan
babu wata hanya daban da za a bi wajen magance shi.

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Don haka hakan na nufin cewa mutanenku, waɗanda ke fafutukar kare
hakkin ɗan adam, na kiyaye hakkin ɗan adam, waɗanda ke tsayawa wa

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mutane, ana kuma kai musu hari ne daga hukumomi, daga gwamnati?

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Eh, a fili haka yake. Wataƙila zan iya nuna hakan.

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Eh, da farin ciki, da farin ciki. Mai ban sha'awa sosai.

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Alal misali, muna da wanda ya kafa ƙungiyar, Udo
Leibmann, ɗan Jamus ne wanda yake zaune a Poland.

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An kai masa mummunan hari, kusan an kashe
shi, an azabtar da shi sau biyu, da sauransu.

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An azabtar da shi ta hannun wa?

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A Poland, misali, ta hannun 'yan sanda.

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An kai masa hari mai tsanani har kusan bai tsira ba.
Tabbas, yana ci gaba da aiki kuma baya barin a tsorata shi.

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Kuma, tabbas, ɗaya daga cikin mafi kyawun
mutane da muke da su a harkokin kare hakkin

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ɗan adam, aƙalla a Jamus, idan ba a Turai ba.

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Tabbas, ana kai masa mummunan hari ne domin kawar da shi.

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Bayan shari'ar kotu da ba ta yi nasara
ba, za a tura shi asibitin kwakwalwa.

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Ya kamata in ambata cewa lauyanmu, wanda ya cancanci yin aiki a
kotunan duniya, Attila Monostory a Hungary,

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da ni mun yi tafiya tare zuwa ganawar likitan
kwakwalwa a Poland don tallafawa Udo Leibmann.

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Mun yi nasara. Ba su samu damar kai shi asibitin kwakwalwa ba.

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Yana ci gaba da aiki. Haka za a
iya cewa game da Attila Monostory.

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Shin zan iya katse ku na ɗan gajeren lokaci sake?

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Me Mista Leibmann ya yi a Poland har
ya ƙare a kotu a can, ko me ya yi?

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Ya yi tsokaci mara kyau game da yakin a Ukraine.

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Kuma hakan laifi ne?

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Wannan laifi ne a Poland. Za ka iya fassara shi
yadda kake so, kuma suka gurfanar da shi a gaban kotu.

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Ba mu ga ana gabatar da muhimman batutuwa na gaske
ba, sai dai ana haɗa su gaba ɗaya, a juya su zuwa

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hari kan mutum, sannan a gabatar da su gaban kotu.

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Kuma idan ba ku da tsarin shari'a kamar yadda muka sani a baya,
amma maimakon haka ofishin lauyan jama'a ko kotuna ke

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ƙarƙashin tasirin siyasa – muna da hakan a nan Jamus ma tare da
ofisoshin lauyan jama'a, waɗanda ke ƙarƙashin tasirin siyasa.

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Ba lallai ne mai gabatar da kara na gwamnati ya kare kansa ba.

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Zai iya, amma a lokacin aikinsa zai ƙare.

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Don haka waɗannan dogaro-dabaro ma suna wanzuwa a
Poland, sannan wani abu makamancin haka ya faru.

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Kuma idan ba ka samu ci gaba da shari'ar kotu ba,
kamar yadda ya faru, sai ka koma ga likitan kwakwalwa.

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Kai. Wannan yana cewa, to, wannan mutumin yana da,
mu ce, wata halayya ta ban mamaki, dole mu kulle shi.

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Daidai. An yi alƙawari da likitan kwakwalwa, sai muka
shiga ginin da ake gudanar da waɗannan gwaje-gwajen.

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Kamar yadda na ce, ni da Attila mun bayyana tare da
wani wakili daga manema labarai, sannan muka soke shi.

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Wannan yana kama da ranakun duhu na Tarayyar
Soviet, lokacin da ake tsare masu adawa, ko?

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Haka kuma an kulle su a sassan asibitin kwakwalwa.

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A ɓangarorin asibitin kwakwalwa,
wannan shi ne abin da ke ɓoye a cikinsa.

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Ba ka rataye kowa ba. A ina za a ajiye gawar?

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Akwai hanyoyi daban-daban na kawar da mutane.

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Tabbas, ba ya kamata a kashe kowa ba.

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Amma tabbas yana da sauƙi a kawar da mutum ta
hanyar tura shi asibitin kwakwalwa, sai ya tafi kuma

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a manta da shi. Idan ya mutu, babu wanda ya lura.

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Mai ban sha'awa.

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Sun yi ƙoƙarin hakan da Attila a Hungary ma.

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Menene hakan? Me ke faruwa?

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Ya kai masu yaudaran kuɗi gaban kotu kuma ya kare
mutane da yawa da suka kasance waɗanda abin ya shafa a

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harkokin kuɗi, abin da gwamnati ba ta so kwata-kwata.

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Ya gano cin hanci da makamantansu, sai suka
tilasta masa ya tafi, suka zargi shi da matsalolin

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hankali kuma suka yi ƙoƙarin kai shi sashen kwakwalwa.

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Muna da mutuwar masu kare hakkin bil Adama.

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An kafa wannan ne ta hidimar kimiyya.

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A shekarar 2023, an samu kididdiga na shekarar
2021. Ina tsammanin an kashe mutane 358, masu

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fafutukar kare hakkin bil'adama, a shekarar 2021 kadai.

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Kuma da ƙananan ƙungiyoyin da ke akwai, za a iya tunanin cewa
adadin yana da matuƙar yawa; banda azabtarwa

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da sauran abubuwa, tsarewa a kurkuku, hana
samun hanyoyin rayuwa, duk suna bin iri ɗaya.

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Kuma Majalisar Turai ma ta rubuta hakan.

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To. Kuma kun samu damar fitar da abokin aikinku a Hungary ma?

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Eh, mun yi nasarar fitar da shi daga wasan ma.

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Yau yana da 'yanci kuma zai iya
motsawa sake, ya ci gaba da aikinsa.

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Kyau. Amma a Jamus daban yake fiye da a Hungary da
Poland. Har yanzu suna da 'yanci, suna nan a fili.

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Tabbas an yi mana gargaɗi.

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Da farko, dole ne in ce cewa mu ma a
halitta muna buƙatar wayar da kan al'umma!

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Idan muna kanmu, kuma kamar a wannan yanayin mun
taimaki juna cikin nasara, ba za mu iya dogaro da hakan ba.

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Ni ma an kai min hari. Sun yi ƙoƙarin...
kamar yadda kake gani, na manta komai.

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Yi hakuri, eh.

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Shi ya sa nake nan.

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Sun yi ƙoƙarin a ayyana ni a doka a
matsayin marar ikon yanke shawara.

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Gaskiya?

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Eh. Kuma sai ku kwace komai daga gare ni.

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Ba za a iya gaskata ba.

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Sai a yi maka tsanani. An kira ni in bayyana a kotu.

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Sun kuma zo gidana suka yi ƙoƙarin shiga.

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Mutane ba su taɓa ganina ba. Ba
su taɓa ganina a duk rayuwarsu ba.

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Amma suna son kawar da ikon
shari'ata saboda na yi mantuwa ko wani abu.

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Ban taɓa halartar ganawar ba, amma nan da
nan na sami shawarwari masu kyau sosai.

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Mun san game da dabaru marasa kyau, dole ne in yi
gaskiya game da hakan, ban iya tunanin wani abu da zan ce ba.

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Kuma nan da nan muka kira lauyoyinmu
a Jamus don samun shawara nan take.

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Beate Bahner ta wakilce ni kuma ta yi nasarar
warware al'amura har ban ƙare a sashen kwakwalwa ba. In ba

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haka ba, da ba zan kasance anan tare da ku a yau ba.

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Wannan abin al'ajabi ne. Amma yaya za ka yi bayani a kansa?

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Ta yaya zai yiwu a cikin dimokuradiyyar
misali ta Jamus, alƙalai ke aiki a kan mutane?

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Ko mu ce haka: aiki ne a kan masu fallasa gaskiya
waɗanda ke son bayyana rashin daidaito domin gyara cin

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zarafi? Ta yaya hakan ke faruwa? Ta yaya hakan zai iya faruwa?

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Tabbas, ba za a wallafa shi a wannan siffa ba
ta hannun hukumomin da ke da alhakin hakan.

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A nan da can, wani lokaci muna iya
samun bayanai da ba a nufa gare mu ba.

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To, menene hakan zai kasance?

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Na kawo misali na wannan.

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Ah, abin sha'awa ne.

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Wataƙila za mu iya karanta wannan a nan.

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Zan iya duba?

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Wannan ya fito ne daga Rhineland-Palatinate da Saarland.

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Oh. Me yake cewa? "Rhineland-Palatinate da Saarland, shirin horo
na haɗin gwiwa na shari'a na Rhineland-Palatinate da Saarland."

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'Yan ƙasar Reich, masu ƙin amincewa da coronavirus,
ra'ayoyin makirci da mabiyansu a matsayin ƙalubale da

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haɗari ga tsarin shari'a. Wannan kuwa ya yi tsanani sosai.

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Eh.

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Don haka, an leƙa musu wannan.

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Eh. Wani lokaci muna samun abubuwan da suka dace.

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Wani lokaci ma za mu iya shiga wasu shirye-shirye na horo.

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Muna matukar farin ciki idan muka samu
irin wannan gayyata ba da gangan ba.

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Mu ma muna da isasshen bayani, amma har yanzu ba mu sami
tallatawa ba, shi ya sa muke matuƙar godiya ga

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Kla.TV cewa yau muna iya ba da rahoto kan yadda
muke aiki da kuma cewa muna yin aiki mai muhimmanci.

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Wannan yana nufin, a zahiri, cewa abin da muka lissafa a baya,
mutanen da, a ganina, yanzu suke fama da lahani sakamakon allurar

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rigakafi a tsarin kiwon lafiya, kuma yanzu har ma da gwajin maski
– ana ɗaukar su kawai a matsayin masu ƙin

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Corona kuma saboda haka suke zama ƙalubale, haɗari
ga tsarin shari'a. Kuma wannan ne batun horo?

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Eh.

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Ba abin mamaki ba ne cewa ana ɗaukar
mutane irin ku a matsayin abokan gaba, ko?

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Eh. Kuma sai mu yi yaƙi don tsira.

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Don taimaka wa mutane da ba ma san su ba.

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Kuma hakan na nufin muna sa ran al'umma za ta
kula da hakkin bil'adama na kanta da farko.

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Ba mu sake cikin zamanin Adenauer da Helmut Schmidt ba.

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Mun gane muhimmancinsa kuma muna ƙarfafa mutane su
ɗauki alhakin hakkin ɗan adam nasu, kada su dogara ga wasu.

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Muna taimaka wa waɗanda ke buƙatar
taimako, waɗanda ba za su iya taimakon kansu ba.

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Sa'an nan mun isa can, kuma muna sanya rayuwarmu da abin
dogaro na rayuwarmu cikin haɗari don taimaka wa mutane.

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Eh, kyau sosai. Mai kyau ƙwarai. Don haka, daga wannan gajeriyar
tattaunawar da muka yi, na ga cewa kana da aiki sosai, ko?

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Za ka iya cewa haka. Tabbas, ba shi da sauƙi haka.

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Ba za mu iya kawai tambayar kowa ba: Shin kuna son
ku zo tare da mu? Mun san cewa da yawa suna son...

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Amma kuna son samun ma'aikata da yawa?

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Eh, za ka iya cewa haka. Amma ba a kowane farashi ba.

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Muna so mu karfafa wasu shirye-shirye a wurare
daban-daban, watakila inda wani ke sha'awar ci gaba da karatu,

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ya ɗauki wani abu da ya shafi hakkin ɗan adam da kariya.

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Za mu iya tuntuɓar ku a can?

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Duk wanda yake son kafa wannan zai iya tuntuɓar mu.

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Za mu iya samar da horo da shawarwari.

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Kuma idan muka gano cewa wani yana da gaske sha'awar
shiga, to za mu iya kuma roƙon mutanen wannan zagaye su shiga.

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Mu a Kwamitin Ƙa'idojin Ƙamun-dāni za mu
kasance masu alhakin amincewa da wannan.

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Kuma daga baya za su iya kuma yin
aiki tare da United for Freedom.

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Wannan abin al'ajabi ne.

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Wannan ya kawo mu ƙarshen tattaunawar mu ta yau.

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Abin da ka gaya mana daga kwarewarka ta
aiki ya kasance mai ilimantarwa sosai.

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Kuma za mu nuna inda duk wanda yake sha'awa kuma
yake son shiga da tallafa mana zai iya tuntuɓar mu.

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Na gode ƙwarai da gaske da wannan
tattaunawa mai ban sha'awa, Mista Hummitzsch.

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Muna yi muku fatan ƙarfi mai yawa da kuma juriya
ga dukkan tawagarku wajen aiwatar da ayyukanku.

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Na gode ƙwarai.

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Ina ganin hakan ya kawo mu mataki ɗaya kusa da jama'a.

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Za ku ga cewa ba mu 'yan laifi ba ne, amma
muna son taimaka wa mutane da gaske. Wannan

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shine aikimmu, babu wani abu fiye da haka.

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Mai ban mamaki.

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Na gode.

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Ba komai.