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Samkela uKarl Hummitzsch ovela kwi-"United for Freedom",
umbutho ozimeleyo wamalungelo oluntu, kwisitudiyo sethu.

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Kwaye Mnu Hummitzsch, enkosi kakhulu ngokuthatha ixesha lokwenza
olu dliwano-ndlebe nokuphendula imibuzo yethu ebaluleke kakhulu.

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Egameni lombutho wethu, ndingathanda nokuvakalisa umbulelo
wam onyulu ngethuba lokugxila kumcimbi wamalungelo oluntu.

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Kuba ndikholelwa ukuba uluntu lusazi kancinci kakhulu
ngokuba lwenzeni ngayo. Ngoku lixesha elilungileyo lokwenza oko.

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Kuhle! Imiba yamalungelo oluntu – mhlawumbi uhamba kakhulu
phesheya kwelwandle ukuya kwii-'rogue states' ekuthiwa zinjalo.

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Hayi, kwaphela. Asigwebi ngento eyenza ilizwe libe lilizwe
elingalandeliyo umthetho, koko sigxila kubantu abajongene

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neengxaki zokuxhatshazwa, nemiba yamalungelo oluntu,
abakwimeko yokuba bathwale izandla kubaphathi, kwiinkundla

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nakubatshutshisi boluntu. Kwaye sijonge macala omabini.

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Ewe, kulungile. Kwaye uhamba kakhulu phi?

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Ngoko ke sinoxanduva kwaye simele iHungary, iPoland neJamani.

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Ndim nxulumene neJamani kwaye, phakathi kwezinye izinto,
ndijongana nemibuzo yegunya lokumangalela kumatyala aseJamani.

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Kulungile. Ukwaphulwa kwamalungelo oluntu
eJamani – njengomntu nje, mandiyiqonde njani le nto?

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Sinentando yezizwe engcono kunazo zonke.

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Kungaba njani ukuba kubekho ukunyhashwa
kwamalungelo oluntu eJamani? Mhlawumbi unomzekelo?

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Hayi, akukho lwaphulo-mthetho oluninzi lwamalungelo oluntu, kodwa
siyabona ukuba kukho iindawo ezithile, nabantu abathile

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ekujoliswe kubo ngokukodwa, apho sikwafumana
umbono wokuba bayaxhatshazwa ngenxa yezizathu

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zezopolitiko, hayi nje ngenxa yezityholo zobugebenga.

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Kukwakho nomxube, kwaye sinamatyala
ambalwa awona. Mhlawumbi singathetha ngaloo nto.

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Ewe, qhubeka. Yeyiphi imzekelo onayo?

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Kulungile, singaqala ngenye yezona ziganeko zaziwayo, uMnu.
Füllmich, ovelele kwezopolitiko kwelinye icala, kodwa

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kwelinye icala ujongene nezityholo zolwaphulo-mthetho,
kwaye sijongene nombuzo wokuba singajongana noko njani.

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Kwaye sigqibe kwelokuba ukunyhashwa
kwamalungelo oluntu kusenokuba kwenzeke apha.

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Ngayiphi indlela?

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Singabhekisa kwi-United Nations Special
Rapporteur, othi ukuvalelwa entolongweni,

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nokuvalelwa wedwa iintsuku ezili-15, kuyintuthumbo.

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Siye saqaphela saza sagqiba kwelokuba oku kuyityala,
kuba iinyanga ezintandathu zokuvalelwa wedwa sele ziqalile.

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Ukubanjwa wedwa?

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Ukubanjwa yedwa, sele kusenziwe.

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Iinyanga ezintandathu ekubanjweni yedwa kuMnu. Füllmich?

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Akunakucingelwa.

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Kwaye kufika nini xa kuthathwa njengokungcungcuthekiswa?

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Ukususela kwiintsuku ezili-15 emva kwe-UN.

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Kulungile.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba lixesha lokuba singene phakathi.

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Kulungile, ababukeli mabacinge ntoni ngale nto?

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Ngoko ke uMnu. Füllmich sele ekwisiqabu esikhethekileyo iintsuku
ezili-15, kwaye sele engaphezulu kweentsuku ezili-15 ngoku.

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Ndingakucingela ukuba akumnandi kwaphela
ekuqaleni. Kwaye kutheni kufuneka kugwetywe

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ngokungqongqo kangaka? Ingaba kukho naziphi na iziphumo?

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Oko kuneziphumo, ewe.

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Oku kunciphisa kakhulu umndilili wobomi.

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Ngokuthanjiswa?

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Kukho iinkcazelo ezithe vetshe.

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Mhlawumbi singakubonisa oko kwinkqubo apha.

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Kulungile.

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Mhlawumbi njengekhonkco.

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Ngoko ke, ukuba kukho ingcinezelo, kwaye
ngokwemigaqo ye-UN sele iqhubekile iintsuku ezili-15,

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siva ukuba sinyanzelekile ukuba singene phakathi.

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Ewe, yinto enkulu kakhulu leyo.
Kulungile, masiyigcine engqondweni.

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UReiner Füllmich, ukubanjwa yedwa,
ukunyhashwa kwamalungelo oluntu.

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Lityala elicacileyo. Ngokwemigaqo ye-UN,
nantoni na engaphezulu kweentsuku ezili-15 ithathwa

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njengonqolobo. Kwaye wayenamathanga amathandathu.

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Kuyahlanya oko, kwenzeka ntoni phaya? Unazo naziphi na izibonelo
ezifanayo ezivela kwinkqubo yamajele? Enye efanayo, akunjalo?

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Kukho ezinye ezifanayo, ewe. Kodwa
kule meko, sinike ingcaciso ecacileyo.

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Siyingenisile le nto kubameli.
Ndizakuyibonisa ngokufutshane apha.

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Singenise kumagqwetha amaphepha amalunga
nama-20 esidrafti sokuqala. Bangasebenza kuso ke.

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KuMnu. Füllmich?

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KuMnu. Füllmich, siyifakile le nto kubameli.

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Baze ke basebenze ngako, baqhubele phambili ngako.

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Kwaye okwangoku, iimeko zokuvalelwa nazo ziye zathotywa.

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Ngokusekelwe kumsebenzi wakho?

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Ewe, phakathi kwezinye izinto.

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Ewe kona, amagqwetha aza kuqhubeka nokusebenza nalo, ngoko
ke aza kuba nesongezelelo samalungelo oluntu ngalo mbandela.

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Kumangalisa.

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Kwaye ke bafumana amathuba okuqhubeka
nokusebenzisana nemibutho efanelekileyo.

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Uthatha amaxwebhu ethu ngalo mcimbi. Oku
kukwabandakanyiwe kwiingxoxo zokuvala.

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Emva koko sibona iziphumo size sihoxe.

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Akufuneki siyenze ibe yinto enkulu. Iza kwenzeka ngokwayo.

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Kodwa thina asinanto yakwenza nemicimbi yolwaphulo-mthetho.

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Kulungile, kodwa siyibeke ecaleni okwangoku, ngamanye amazwi:

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Ukuba ubungazange wenze uphando lwakho, ingaba uMnu.
Füllmich wayesakuba esentolongweni yedwa, ehlukanisiwe nabanye?

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Ngoko ke wayesele enenkathazo
iinyanga ezintandathu phambi kokuba singene.

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Ngoko ke sayenza loo nto
ngokuzimeleyo. Asibizwa ukuba senjenjalo.

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Siyabhalisa, singene enkundleni ngemvume, simamele inkqubo
yenkundla, size sithethe negqwetha elikhokelayo elikhuselayo,

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sicacisele imeko, baze bathathe umsebenzi bawugqibe.

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Kulungile. Ewe, ngoku iimeko zokuvalelwa.

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Ingaba unomnye umzekelo apho wena,
umbukeli, kwaye mhlawumbi nathi...

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Ewe, kucacile ukuba seso isikhumbuzo esibi
kakhulu kum xa kufuneka sikhuphe umntu entolongweni.

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Sinomcimbi apha womfazi okwiminyaka engamashumi amane,
othi ngokoluvo lwethu, akanakubekwa ityala ngezenzo zakhe.

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Sifumene uhlobo oluthile lwesicelo esingxamisekileyo ngokuhlwa.

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Emva koko ndiye eVechta entolongweni. Le
ntokazi ayifanelekanga kwaphela ukubavalelwa.

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Ibonakaliseke njani loo nto kule ntokazi?

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Akakwazi kwaphela ukuhamba.

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Ndawa ngosuku lokuqala lokwenziwa.

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Wayengasakwazi ukuhamba, ngoko ke saqhuba saya apho
saza saziva sinyanzelekile ukuba simkhiphe apho kwangoko.

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Ndiye ndazamkela ke. Kufuneka nditsho, kwelinye
icala, ungambeka njani umntu onjalo entolongweni?

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Kwelinye icala, kufuneka sibulele kwakhona abasebenzi
abaphetheyo, endikholelwa ukuba babevuya kakhulu ukubasusa.

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Bebengazi ukuba mabenzeni ngaye. Uwe, wayenzakele.

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Isibhedlele besikufuphi kakhulu, kodwa akukho mntu wakhathalayo.

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Ndiye ndazikhupha ndaza ndakubhala phantsi.

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Le ntokazi ibingakwazi kwaphela
ukuhamba – yayihamba kuphela xa ibuhlungu.

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Ndiye naye esibhedlele, esasikufuphi kanye.

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Baphinde bavakalisa izimvo ezingentle kwaye
abazange bafune ukuyiphanda ngokufanelekileyo.

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Emva koko safaka uxinzelelo olukhulu, sisixhasa ngombutho wethu.

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Besicaphukile kakhulu ngokwendalo, kodwa sayinyamezela.

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Bendisesibhedlele ubusuku bonke. Le
ntokazi ibisoyika kakhulu, kakade.

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Ndaza ndahlala kufutshane de wagqiba uviwo lwakhe.

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Emva koko bazala ukukhupha
isatifikethi sokungafaneleki ukuvalelwa.

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Sifikelele apho nje. Emva koko ndiye
ndamshiya endlwini yomhlobo wakhe.

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Kwaye into eyenzekayo emva koko ayikho phantsi kolawulo lwethu.

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Kulungile, kodwa mandishwankathele.

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Ukuba umntu akaphendulisi
ngokwaselwaphulo-mthetho kodwa uvalelwe entolongweni nangona

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kunjalo, oku kuyolwaphulo lwamalungelo oluntu.

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Karl Hummitzsch: Ngokuqinisekileyo.

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Kwaye kulapho ke ungenelela khona?

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Karl Hummitzsch: Ewe.

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Kumangalisa, kumangalisa! Kwaye niyikwazile ukumkhupha le ntokazi
entolongweni nize nimnikezele kwinkqubo yezempilo. Kumangalisa.

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Ingaba unayo enye imeko yokunyhashwa kwamalungelo oluntu?

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Into yile, asinakukwazi ngenene ukucinga ukuba zeziphi
iintlobo zokunyhashwa kwamalungelo oluntu ezikhoyo apho.

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Ngokwamava akho – zeziphi ezinye iimeko
ezibaluleke ngokukodwa eziza engqondweni?

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Ewe kona, sinamacala amaninzi amancinci.

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Kodwa zikho nezo zaziwayo, ukuba ndingacacisa.

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Ewe, ndicela.

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Thatha umzekelo wetyala likaWalter Weber, ugqirha.

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Kuthiwa kukho oogqirha abamalunga ne-1,000
abatyholwa ngokukhupha izatifikethi ze-mask.

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Kufuneka kwakhona kuqwalaselwe ukuba kukho amawaka amaninzi
oogqirha abangakhange bakhuphe naziphi na,

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kodwa thina sijamelene nabantu ababekufuneka
ngokwenene bakhululwe ngenxa yezizathu zempilo.

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UWalter Weber, umzekelo, ungugqirha womhlaza, ngoko ke naye
unezigulana ezinomhlaza ezifuna uncedo olungxamisekileyo.

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Waziswa enkundleni kunjalo.

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Ndiye ndakho phantse zonke iintsuku zetyala.

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Kuyamangalisa kakhulu xa ucinga ngento eyenzekileyo ngaphambili.

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Kungekuko nje kwityala, kodwa nakwinkqubo yalo
ngokwayo. Siyibiza le njengohlobo lokugwetywa kwangaphambili.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba iintsuku ezingama-27
zokumamela amatyala enkundla zicwangcisiwe.

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KuGqirha Walter Weber?

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Ngaphambili.

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Njengesilumkiso, yindlela esiyibona
ngayo. Kufuneka ucinge nge-euro eziyi-3,000.

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Kancinci iindleko ezongezelelweyo, abavavanyi
njalo njalo, kwaye ngokukhawuleza ujonge i-£100,000!

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Iiyuro ezili-100,000 phambi kokuba afunyanwe enetyala nasiphi na.

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Indoda ayinatyala. Kwaye iza kufumana i-100,000 yee-euro.

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Ngenxa yale nto, uye wagxekwa
ngeepowusta ezikwizithuthi zikawonke-wonke.

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Emva koko, abantu abali-15, amapolisa
ali-12 okanye ali-15, bamtyelela ekhayeni lakhe.

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Ekhwele isigcina-ntloko nezixhobo ezipheleleyo.

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Ubuqhinga bokoyikisa obungazange bubonwe kumadoda
oneminyaka engama-80 ubudala kunye nenkosikazi yakhe ekhaya.

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Emva koko, emva kokulungisa indawo, masithi, sathatha iifoto.

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Kakade ke, umntu angakucingela ukuba kwakubonakala njani.

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Njengomabelo!

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Ngokuqinisekileyo!

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Kwaye bazipapasha iifoto – asikwazi
ukuqonda ukuba inkundla ingenza into enjalo njani.

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Kukho abaphulaphuli. Indawo yabaphulaphuli ibisoloko izele.

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Kwaye ke babonisa wonke umntu ukuba ikhaya lakhe linjani.

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Isithuko, andazi ndithi ntoni.

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Ngoko ke, nje ngokuphawula nje, kwenzeka ntoni kuwe kule nkqubo
xa uzifumana usemagqabini phambi kwale nkqubo yezobulungisa.

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Ewe. Imibuzo yezigwebo yinto eyodwa.

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Ukuhlatywa kwamalungelo oluntu ngenxa yokugrogrisiwa,
ngenxa yoloyiko, ngenxa yokutshabalaliswa kwempahla ngenxa

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yongenelelo olunjalo, nangokugqogqwa kwezindlu okunjalo.

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Oku kukunyhashwa kwamalungelo oluntu. Kwaye
kulapho ke benza amanyathelo. Kulungile kakhulu.

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Kwaye xa sele uzifumene kuxakekile ngolu hlobo,
yeyiphi eyona ndlela ilungileyo yokuzikhusela kuko?

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Ngaba ikhona into onokuyixhasa, onokuyenza, okanye oyifunayo?

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Ngokuqinisekileyo, luxanduva lwethu ukuxhasa abantu
abaxhatshazwayo kwimicimbi enxulumene namalungelo oluntu.

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Asiziqhelani nemicimbi enxulumene nomthetho wolwaphulo-mthetho.

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Yiloo nto abasokeli bayenzayo. Siyabaxhasa abasokeli.

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Umzekelo, okwangoku sinetyala eHeidelberg elibandakanya umonakalo
wesitofu sokugonya, umonakalo omandundu wesitofu sokugonya.

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Sisebenza ngqo namagqwetha, simelelwa kwiinkqubo
zenkundla, kwaye ndingathanda ukubonisa ukuba luhlobo luni

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lomsebenzi esiwenzayo ukuze abantu bakwazi ukuwucinga.

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Abantu bahlala becinga ukuba bayaya apho ukuya
kubalisa amabali okanye ukuzikhathaza. Akunjalo.

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Ngokwenene siyayenza umsebenzi. Umzekelo, apha sinoxwebhu lweli
tyala lenkundla eHeidelberg. Ndifuna nje ukukubonisa loo nto.

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Zininzi kakhulu ezo maphepha. Malunga namaphi na?

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Zimalunga namaphepha angama-70.

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Oko sisiphumo nje solu hlalutyo lwethu.

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Sihlalutye amawaka amaphepha eenkontileka,
umonakalo wezitofu zokugonya, ngoko ke

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iinkontileka neBioNTech njalo njalo ziye zaluqwalaselwa.

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Kuthathe inyanga yonke ukuyenza. Kwaye
njengoko benditshilo, lo ngumxholo ongekabikho.

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Kwaye siyenza le nto ifumaneke kumagqwetha ajongene namatyala
omonakalo wezitofu zokugonya. Kodwa kuphela ukuba kunokungqinwa.

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Sifuna iinombolo zereferensi, sifuna igqwetha,
kwaye emva koko siza kwenza oku kufumaneke simahla.

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Ngoko ke kule meko, umonakalo wesitofu
sokugonya njengokunyhashwa kwamalungelo oluntu.

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Ewe, kanye. Oko kukunyhashwa
kwamalungelo oluntu, ngokokubona kwethu.

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Oosopolitiki bathembise ngokuphindaphindiweyo ukuba
baza kusombulula lo mcimbi. Kodwa akukho nto yenzekileyo.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba kufuneka sizame
ukufumana ingcaciso ngokwenkqubo yezomthetho.

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Izazinzulu bezizama ukurekhoda oku ixesha elide, kodwa nazo
zicalulwa esidlangalaleni, masithi, ngoko

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abantu abakukholelwa oko kuthethwa zizazinzulu
ukuba akungahambelani nomgaqo-nkqubo karhulumente.

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Ngoko ke sinethuba lokuthi mhlawumbi
siphumelele ityala lethu enkundleni ukuba sisemthethweni.

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Kuhle kakhulu. Ngoko ke, kule meko, kubekho ukunyhashwa
kwamalungelo oluntu, ngokukodwa ilungelo elisisiseko lokuphila

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komzimba ngokupheleleyo, eliye lancitshiswa ngokupheleleyo
sesi sigonyo kunye nomonakalo osivele ngenxa yaso.

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Oku kumalunga nomonakalo wesitofu
sokugonya kunye nemiba yezigqubuthelo zomlomo.

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Njengoko sabona nakwityala laseHamburg elibandakanya uWalter
Weber, ingcaphephe yenkundla, uGqr. Ondruschka,

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uNjingalwazi Gqr. Benjamin Ondruschka, bafumanise
ukuba bubuthathaka ubungqina bokuba iimaski ziyanceda.

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Kwaye ngokuchasene nentsholongwane eyingozi
kakhulu kulo lonke ixesha, ubungqina bunqongophele.

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Kanti ke uWalter Weber ugwetyelwe unyaka
omnye neenyanga ezilishumi entolongweni.

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Ewe, kunye nokoyikiswa ngaphezu koko.

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Konke oko.

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Kwaye ukohlwaywa esidlangalaleni. Xa kuthethwa ukuthi:

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Isidima somntu asinakunyhashwa.
Kodwa isidima sakhe sonyhashwe kakhulu.

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Kwaye wayengenguye yedwa. Kwakukho
oogqirha abaninzi ababevela ngendlela efanayo.

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Baxhwethwe iindlela zokuziphilisa.

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Awusavumelekanga ukuba usebenze. Ilayisensi
yakho yokusebenza kwezonyango irhoxisiwe.

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Ingeniso yeyonyango. Sikwanaso nesinye
isiganeko apho umfazi engumhlwempu kwaye ngoku

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kufuneka axhomekeke kuncedo lwabamelwane.

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Ngamanye amazwi, ubukho babantu abangabonisi zimbono ezihambelana
nezopolitiko, abanyamekela isifungo sabo sobungcali kwaye

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bengaxhasi izimvo neemfuno zezopolitiki, ezingekho bungqinebeni.

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Siyazi ukuba oosopolitiki benza isigqibo sezopolitiko.

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Ngale ndlela, izigwebo zenkundla nazo azinakusekelwa kubungqina.

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Ngoko ke, uthetha ukuthi ngoku, ngenxa yezi protokholi ze-RKI,
oko kukuthi iiprotokholi ezivela kwi-Robert Koch Institute,

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ezingqina ukuba bekungekho mfuneko yamanyathelo
e-coronavirus, umzekelo, ukuba bekungekho mfuneko

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yokugonywa, ukuba bekungekho khuselo lokwenene.

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Bebesazi loo nto, nokuba bekungekho mfuneko, kodwa ke yagqitywa.
Ngoko ke le ndlela isekelwe kubungqina ibingekho kwaphela.

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Ewe, ngale ngqondo asinakulindela
izigwebo zenkundla ezisekelwe kubungqina nazo.

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Loo nto yezopolitiko. Kwaye ke isigwebo
nalo siye sibe sezopolitiko ngokuzenzekelayo.

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Ewe, ndiyaqonda kakuhle kakhulu. Ndiyaqonda kakuhle kakhulu.

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Ngoku siye sadlula kwiimeko ezimbalwa.

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Ingaba unazo ezinye iimzekelo kwi...
masithi, uluhlu lwakho lweemveliso?

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Ewe, ewe sinazo nemizekelo evela eHungary nasePoland.

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Nathi njengabakhuseli bamalungelo oluntu siye saphathwa.

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Ingaba nawe uye wachaphazeleka?

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Ewe, ngokupheleleyo. Asingabantu abanganyanisekanga xa sityhila
izinto ezenziwe ngabasemagunyeni, oosopolitiki okanye amagqwetha.

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Ngumsebenzi wethu ukuyirekhoda le nto kwaye
siyipapashe, ukuba akukho ndlela yimbi yokuyisingatha.

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Ngoko ke, abantu bakowenu, abaqhuba iphulo lamalungelo
oluntu, abaxhasa ukubekwa phambili kwamalungelo oluntu, abamela

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abantu, nabo bayahlaselwa ngabasemagunyeni, ngurhulumente?

15:49.375 --> 15:52.542
Ewe, ngokucacileyo. Mhlawumbi ndingakubonisa oko.

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Ewe, ngokuvuya, ngokuvuya. Kunika umdla kakhulu.

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Umzekelo, sinomseki wolu hlelo,
u-Udo Leibmann, umJamani ohlala ePoland.

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Wahlaselwa kakubi, waphantse
wabulawa, wathuthunjiswa kabini, njalo njalo.

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Uhlukunyezwe ngubani?

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EPoland, umzekelo, ngamapolisa.

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Uhlaselwe kakubi kakhulu kangangokuba uphantse wafa.
Kakade ke, uyaqhubeka nokusebenza kwaye akavumeli ukoyiswa.

16:20.356 --> 16:24.611
Kwaye, ewe, ngomnye wabantu abagqwesileyo
esinabo kwimiba yamalungelo oluntu,

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ubuncinci eJamani, ukuba akunjalo naseYurophu.

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Ngokuqinisekileyo, uhlaselwa ngamandla amakhulu ukuze abulawe.

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Emva kokuba inkundla ingaphumelelanga,
wayeza kubekwa kwisibhedlele sabagula ngengqondo.

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Kufuneka ndikhankanye ukuba igqwetha lethu, elijongene neenkundla
zamazwe ngamazwe, linelayisensi apho, ngoko ke mna no-Attila

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Monostory waseHungary sahamba kunye siya kudliwano-ndlebe
lonyango lwengqondo ePoland, ukuya kuxhasa u-Udo Leibmann.

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Siphumelele. Abakwazanga ukumfaka kwigumbi labagula ngengqondo.

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Uyaqhubeka nokusebenza. Kunjalo ke ngo-Attila Monostory.

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Ndingaphazamisa kwakhona okomzuzwana?

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Wenza ntoni uMnu. Leibmann ePoland wada
wafikelela enkundleni apho, okanye wenza ntoni?

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Wayenike izimvo ezichasayo ngemfazwe yase-Ukraine.

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Ingaba oko lulwaphulo-mthetho?

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Loo nto lulwaphulo-mthetho ePoland.
Ungayitolika ngandlela ofuna ngayo, baza bamangalela.

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Asiboni ngathi kuvuswa imiba enzulu ngokwenene,
kodwa endaweni yoko zidityaniswa, ziguqulwe

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zibe luhlaselo lomntu, zize ke ziziswe enkundleni.

17:38.250 --> 17:44.357
Kwaye ukuba awunazo iinkqubo zenkundla njengoko sizazi kwixesha
elidlulileyo, kodwa endaweni yoko iofisi yomtshutshisi woluntu

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okanye iinkundla ziphantsi kwempembelelo yezopolitiko
– sinayo loo nto apha eJamani nakwiiofisi zabatshutshisi

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boluntu, ezibotshelelwe yimpembelelo yezopolitiko.

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Umtshutshisi woluntu akanakuzithethelela.

17:54.755 --> 17:57.626
Angakwazi, kodwa ke umsebenzi wakhe wobungcali ubuya kuphela.

17:57.626 --> 18:03.792
Ngoko ke le maxongo akhona
nasePoland, kwaye ke kwenzeke into efana nale.

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Kwaye ukuba awwenzanga nkqu nkqubela kwityala lenkundla,
njengoko kwakunjalo, ke uye kubonana nogqirha wengqondo.

18:09.792 --> 18:17.334
Wow. Loo nto ithi, kulungile, le ndoda
inento engaqhelekanga, kufuneka siyivalele.

18:17.334 --> 18:24.500
Kulungile. Kwakwenziwe idinga nogqirha wengqondo, saza
sangena kwisakhiwo apho ezi zivavanyo zenzeka khona.

18:24.500 --> 18:31.500
Njengoko benditshilo, mna no-Attila savela
kunye, kunye nommeli weendaba, saza sayitshitshisa.

18:31.500 --> 18:39.026
Oko kuvakala ngathi ziintsuku ezimnyama zeSoviet
Union, xa abachasi babevalelwa, akunjalo?

18:39.026 --> 18:43.667
Babesithi nabo bavalelwe kumagumbi abagula ngengqondo.

18:43.667 --> 18:47.167
Kwizigaba zonyango lwengqondo, yiloo nto eyinkohliso ngayo.

18:47.167 --> 18:49.999
Awubaxhi mntu. Umzimba umfaka phi?

18:49.999 --> 18:52.959
Zininzi iindlela zokubasusa abantu.

18:52.959 --> 18:55.083
Ewe kona, akufanelanga kubulawa mntu.

18:55.083 --> 18:59.128
Kodwa ke kulula ukususa umntu ngokumthumela
kwisibhedlele sabantu abaneengxaki zengqondo, aze abantu

18:59.128 --> 19:01.042
bangamkhumbuli. Xa esweleka, akukho mntu uqaphelayo.

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Kunika umdla.

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Bazame oko no-Attila eHungary kananjalo.

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Yintoni leyo? Kwakusenzeka ntoni?

19:06.375 --> 19:13.276
Wabamangalela enkundleni iingcali zemali ezikhohlisayo
waza wamela abantu abaninzi ababengamaxhoba, amaxhoba

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ezemali, into leyo urhulumente angayithandanga kwaphela.

19:17.334 --> 19:24.201
Utyhile urhwaphilizo nezinye izinto ezinjalo, baza kuba
kufuneka bamqhelane naye, ngoko ke bamtyhola ngokuba neengxaki

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zengqondo baza bazama ukumfaka kwigumbi labagula ngengqondo.

19:28.549 --> 19:34.459
Sineekhondlo phakathi kwabakhuseli bamalungelo oluntu.

19:34.459 --> 19:38.876
Oku kungqinisisiwe yinkonzo yenzululwazi.

19:38.876 --> 19:45.612
Ngo-2023, amanani ayekhona ka-2021.
Ndikholelwa ukuba abantu abangama-358, abatshutshisi

19:45.612 --> 19:50.292
bamalungelo oluntu, babulawa ngo-2021 kuphela.

19:50.292 --> 19:56.601
Kwaye ngeemibutho ezimbalwa ezikhoyo, umntu angacinga ukuba
izinga liphezulu kakhulu, ngaphandle kokungcungcuthekiswa

19:56.601 --> 20:02.709
nezinye izinto, ukuvalelwa entolongweni, ukuswela
iindlela zokuziphilisa, konke kuhamba ngendlela enye.

20:02.709 --> 20:07.500
Kwaye oku kukwabhalwe phantsi yiPalamente yaseYurophu.

20:07.500 --> 20:11.250
Kulungile. Kwaye ukwazile na
nokukhupha umntu osebenza naye oseHungary?

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Ewe, sikwazile nokumoyisa naye.

20:12.959 --> 20:18.125
Ukhululekile namhlanje kwaye angaphinda
ahambe-hambe, aqalele kwakhona umsebenzi wakhe.

20:18.125 --> 20:25.417
Kulungile. Kodwa eJamani kwahlukile kunaseHungary
nasePoland. Basakhululekile, basaphaphathekile.

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Siye, ewe kona, salekwa.

20:27.459 --> 20:32.876
Okokuqala, kufuneka nditsho ukuba
ngokwendalo nathi sidinga ulwazi phakathi koluntu!

20:32.876 --> 20:42.334
Xa sikwethu, kwaye, njengakule meko,
sincedana ngempumelelo, asinakuthembela kuloo nto.

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Nam ndihlaselwe. Bazame ukuthi...
njengoko ubona, ndiphambene ngokupheleleyo.

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Uxolo, ewe.

20:50.542 --> 20:53.083
Yiloo nto ndilapha.

20:53.083 --> 20:55.834
Bazamile nokwenza ukuba ndichazwe
ngokwasemthethweni njengongakwaziyo ukwenza izigqibo.

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Ngokwenene?

20:56.500 --> 20:57.209
Ewe. Kwaye ke undithathe konke.

20:57.209 --> 20:58.999
Ayikholeleki.

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Uze uhlukunyezwe. Ndibizelwe enkundleni.

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Baphinde beza endlwini yam baza bazama ukungena.

21:03.792 --> 21:06.568
Abantu abakaze bandibone. Abakaze
bandibone kubo bonke ubomi babo.

21:06.568 --> 21:12.690
Kodwa bafuna ukundithathela isigunyaziso sam
somthetho kuba sele ndiluphelo okanye into enjalo.

21:12.690 --> 21:17.083
Andizange ndiye kuloo ntlanganiso, kodwa
ndafumana iingcebiso ezibalaseleyo kwangoko ke.

21:17.083 --> 21:23.000
Siyazi ngamaqhinga amdaka, kufuneka ndinyaniseke
ngaloo nto, andicingi enye into endinokuyithetha.

21:23.000 --> 21:28.999
Kwaye sakhawuleza sabiza amagqwetha ethu
aseJamani ukuze asinike icebiso elingxamisekileyo.

21:28.999 --> 21:34.628
UBeate Bahner wandimela waza wakwazi ukulungisa izinto
ukuze ndingagqibi ndise-ward yabantu abaneengxaki

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zengqondo. Kungenjalo, bendingenakuba lapha nani namhlanje.

21:37.999 --> 21:42.641
Kumnandi oko. Kodwa ukuchaza njani?

21:42.641 --> 21:56.167
Kungenzeka njani ukuba kwidemokhrasi engumzekelo
yaseJamani, amagqwetha-zikhulu asebenzele abantu?

21:56.167 --> 22:04.941
Okanye masithi ngolu hlobo: ukusebenzela ukuchasa
abatyhili abafuna ukutyhila ukungangqinelani ukuze kulungiswe

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ukuxhatshazwa? Kwenzeka njani loo nto? Ingenzeka njani loo nto?

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Kambe ke, ayizukupapashwa ikwimo
enjalo ngabasemagunyeni abajongene noku.

22:16.459 --> 22:22.375
Apha naphaya, ngamanye amaxesha
siyakwazi ukufumana ulwazi olungekho lwethu.

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Kulungile, ingaba yintoni leyo?

22:23.042 --> 22:25.999
Ndiziphathele umzekelo woku.

22:25.999 --> 22:26.876
Ah, kunomdla.

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Mhlawumbi singakufunda oku apha.

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Ndingajonga?

22:30.959 --> 22:33.834
Oku kuvela eRhineland-Palatinate naseSaarland.

22:33.834 --> 22:41.247
Owu. Kuthetha ntoni? "IRhineland-Palatinate
neSaarland, inkqubo yocweyo edibeneyo

22:41.247 --> 22:47.178
yezigweba zaseRhineland-Palatinate naseSaarland."

22:47.178 --> 22:54.257
Abemi beReich, abantu abangayikhathaleliyo i-coronavirus,
iingcinga zobuqhetseba kunye nabalandeli babo njengomceli mngeni

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nosongo kwinkqubo yezobulungisa." Loo nto imandundu kakhulu.

22:57.959 --> 22:58.918
Ewe.

22:58.918 --> 22:59.918
Ngoko ke, oku kuye kwatyhilwa kubo.

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Ewe. Maxa wambi sifumana izinto ezifanelekileyo.

23:02.959 --> 23:06.000
Ngamanye amaxesha nathi sinokuthatha
inxaxheba kwiinkqubo ezithile zoqeqesho.

23:06.000 --> 23:08.918
Siyavuya kakhulu xa sifumana isimemo esinje ngempazamo.

23:08.918 --> 23:13.944
Nathi sikwaziseke kakuhle, kodwa besingakhange saziwe luluntu
ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, yiyo loo nto sibulela kakhulu

23:13.944 --> 23:19.751
i-Kla.TV ngokuba namhlanje siyakwazi ukunika ingxelo ngendlela
esisebenza ngayo nokuba nathi senza umsebenzi obalulekileyo.

23:19.751 --> 23:27.871
Oko kuthetha ukuthi, eneneni, into esisandul' ukuyidwelisa,
abantu abathi, ngokwam, ngoku bajongene nomonakalo weglasi

23:27.871 --> 23:35.509
kwinkqubo yezempilo, kwaye ngoku kwanokuvavanywa kweemaskhi –
bafakwa nje kudidi lwabantu abangayikholo iCorona

23:35.509 --> 23:42.584
kwaye ke ngoko bangumngeni, bangoyikiso kwinkqubo
yezobulungisa. Kwaye yiyo leyo umxholo woqeqesho?

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Ewe.

23:43.083 --> 23:48.999
Akumangalisi ukuba abantu abanjengawe
bayaphathwa njengeentshaba, akunjalo?

23:48.999 --> 23:50.655
Ewe. Emva koko silwa ukuze sisinde.

23:50.655 --> 23:54.125
Ukunceda abantu esingabaziyo.

23:54.125 --> 24:01.250
Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba silindele ukuba
uluntu luqale lukhathalele amalungelo oluntu lwalo.

24:01.250 --> 24:03.876
Asisekho kwixesha lika-Adenauer noHelmut Schmidt.

24:03.876 --> 24:12.334
Siyayibona imfuneko kwaye sikhuthaza abantu ukuba bathathe
uxanduva lwamalungelo abo oluntu, bangaxhomekeki kwabanye.

24:12.334 --> 24:17.709
Sinceda abo badinga uncedo, abo bangenakuzinceda.

24:17.709 --> 24:23.999
Siye ke sibe lapho, size sibeke esichengeni nendlela
esiphila ngayo, nobomi bethu, ukuze sincede abantu.

24:23.999 --> 24:32.792
Ewe, kulungile kakhulu. Kulungile kakhulu. Ngoko ke, ngale ncoko
yethu imfutshane, ndiyabona ukuba uxakeke kakhulu, akunjalo?

24:32.792 --> 24:35.834
Ungatsho lonto. Kakade, akululanga kangako.

24:35.834 --> 24:41.584
Asinakubuza wonke umntu nje: Ungathanda
ukusijoyina? Siyazi ukuba abaninzi bangathanda...

24:41.584 --> 24:43.667
Kodwa ningathanda ukuba nabasebenzi abaninzi ngakumbi?

24:43.667 --> 24:47.876
Ewe, ungatsho njalo. Kodwa hayi nangaxabiso lalo naliphi na.

24:47.876 --> 24:54.906
Singakhetha ukukhuthaza amaphulo athile kwiindawo ezahlukeneyo,
mhlawumbi apho umntu enomdla kwimfundo ephakamileyo,

24:54.906 --> 24:59.459
ukuba athathe into enxulumene namalungelo oluntu nokhuselo.

24:59.459 --> 25:00.334
Singaqhagamshelana nawe apho?

25:00.334 --> 25:03.292
Nabani na onomdla wokumisa oku angaqhagamshelana nathi.

25:03.292 --> 25:06.542
Singakunika uqeqesho necebiso.

25:06.542 --> 25:12.042
Kwaye ukuba sifumanisa ukuba umntu unomdla
wokwenene wokuthatha inxaxheba, singacela kwakhona

25:12.042 --> 25:14.999
abantu abakulo mjikelo ukuba nabo bazibandakanye.

25:14.999 --> 25:18.751
Kuloo meko, thina kwiKomiti yeZimiso
zoKuziphatha siya kuba noxanduva lokuyixhasa.

25:18.751 --> 25:21.000
Kwaye ke banokusebenza ne-United for Freedom.

25:21.000 --> 25:22.999
Kumnandi kakhulu.

25:22.999 --> 25:30.834
Oko kusiphethela incoko yethu yanamhlanje.

25:30.834 --> 25:36.918
Into esiyixeleleyo ngamava akho obuqu isincede kakhulu.

25:36.918 --> 25:45.709
Kwaye siza kubonisa apho nabani na onomdla ofuna
ukuzibandakanya nokusixhasa anokuqhagamshelana nathi khona.

25:45.709 --> 25:48.751
Enkosi kakhulu ngencoko emnandi, Mnu Hummitzsch.

25:48.751 --> 25:57.626
Sininqwenelela amandla amaninzi kunye nokuzingisa
okukhulu kwiqela lenu lonke ekwenzeni imisebenzi yenu.

25:57.626 --> 25:58.667
Enkosi kakhulu.

25:58.667 --> 26:01.584
Ndicinga ukuba oko kusisondeza kancinci kubantu.

26:01.584 --> 26:06.100
Ningabona ukuba asizozigebenga, kodwa
sinqwenela ngenene ukunceda abantu. Loo nto

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ngumsebenzi wethu, kwaye akukho nto ingaphaya koko.

26:09.459 --> 26:11.375
Emangalisayo.

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Enkosi.

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Akukho nto.