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Samukela uKarl Hummitzsch ovela ku-"United for Freedom",
inhlangano ezimele yamalungelo abantu, esitudiyo sethu.

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Mnu. Hummitzsch, ngiyabonga kakhulu ngokuthatha isikhathi
sakho ukwenza le ngxoxo nokuphendula imibuzo yethu eshushayo.

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Egameni lenhlangano yethu, ngingathanda futhi
ukuveza ukubonga kwami okujulile ngokunikezwa

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ithuba lokugxila endabeni yamalungelo abantu.

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Ngoba ngikholelwa ukuthi umphakathi usaqhubeka
nokwazi kancane ngokwanele ngokuthi yini okufanele

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ayenze ngakho. Manje yisikhathi esifanele salokho.

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Kuhle! Izindaba zamalungelo abantu – kungenzeka
uhamba kakhulu phesheya kwezilwandle ezifundazweni

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ezibizwa ngokuthi "izifundazwe ezingaziphathi kahle".

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Cha, nakanjani cha. Asigwebi ukuthi yini eyenza izwe libe yizwe
elingalawuleki, kodwa sigxila kubantu ababhekene nengcindezelo,

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nezinkinga zamalungelo abantu, abasesandleni
seziphathimandla, izinkantolo nabamangaleli

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bomphakathi. Futhi sibheka womabili amahlangothi.

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Ah yebo, kulungile. Futhi uhamba kakhulu kuphi?

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Ngakho-ke sinomthwalo wemfanelo futhi
simelelwe eHungary, ePoland naseJalimane.

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Nginesibopho seJalimane futhi, phakathi kwezinye
izinto, ngiphinde ngibhekane nezindaba eziphathelene

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namandla enkantolo ezimangweni esinazo lapha eJalimane.

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Kulungile. Ukwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu eJalimane –
njengomuntu ongachwepheshe, ngingakuqonda kanjani lokhu?

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Sinayo idemokhrasi engcono kunazo zonke.

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Kungani kungaba nokwephulwa kwamalungelo
abantu eJalimane? Ungase ube nesibonelo?

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Cha, akukho ukwephulwa okuningi kwamalungelo abantu, kodwa
siyabona ukuthi kunezindawo ezithile, abantu abathile abagxilwe

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kubo ngokukhethekile, lapho siphinde sibe
nombono wokuthi bayahlukunyezwa ngezizathu

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zezepolitiki hhayi nje ngenxa yezono zobugebengu.

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Kukhona futhi inhlanganisela, futhi sinazo izimo
ezimbalwa zayo. Mhlawumbe singakhuluma ngalokho.

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Yebo, qhubeka. Unesiphi isibonelo esifihliwe?

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Kulungile, singaqala ngomunye wamacala adume kakhulu, uMnu.
Füllmich, ovelele kwezombusazwe ngakolunye uhlangothi,

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kodwa ngakolunye uhlangothi ubhekene namacala obugebengu, futhi
sibhekene nombuzo wokuthi singabhekana nakho kanjani lokhu.

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Futhi sesinqume ukuthi kungenzeka ukuthi
lapha kwenzeke ukwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu.

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Ngokuphi?

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Singabhekisela kuMbiko Okhethekile weZizwe
Ezihlangene, othi ukuvalelwa ejele, ukuvalelwa wedwa

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izinsuku eziyi-15, kubhekwa njengokuhlukunyezwa.

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Sibonile futhi sanquma ukuthi lokhu kuyicala, ngoba
izinyanga eziyisithupha zokuboshwa wedwa sezisiqalile.

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Ukuboshwa wedwa?

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Ukuboshwa yedwa, sekwenziwe.

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Izinyanga eziyisithupha ekuboshweni yedwa kuMnu. Füllmich?

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Akungeneki ukucabanga.

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Futhi kufika kuphi lapho kubalwa khona njengokuhlukunyezwa?

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Kusukela ezinsukwini eziyi-15 emva kwe-UN.

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Kulungile.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi sekuyisikhathi sokuthi singene phakathi.

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Kulungile, ababukeli bangakucabanga kanjani lokhu?

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Ngakho-ke uMnu. Füllmich usevalelwe yedwa izinsuku
eziyi-15 manje, sekudlule kakhulu izinsuku eziyi-15.

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Ngingacabanga ukuthi ekuqaleni kuyacasula kakhulu. Futhi kungani
kufanele kugwetshwe kanjalo ngokuqinile? Ingabe kunemiphumela?

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Lokho kunemiphumela, vele.

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Lokhu kunciphisa kakhulu isikhathi esilindelekile sokuphila.

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Ngokuboshwa yedwa?

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Kukhona izengezo.

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Mhlawumbe singakubonisa lokho ohlelweni lapha.

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Kulungile.

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Mhlawumbe njengokuxhumana.

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Ngakho-ke uma kunehlukunyezwa, futhi
ngokwemithetho ye-UN sekuqhubekile izinsuku eziyishumi

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nanhlanu, sizizwa siphoqelekile ukungenelela.

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Yebo, lokho kumangalisayo.
Kulungile, masigcine lokho engqondweni.

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Reiner Füllmich, ukuboshwa yedwa, ukwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu.

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Kuyicala elicacile. Ngokwemithetho ye-UN, noma
yini edlula izinsuku eziyi-15 ibalwa

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njengokuhlukunyezwa. Futhi wayenanyanga eziyisithupha.

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Kuyahlanya lokho, kwenzekani lapho? Unazo
yini ezinye izibonelo ezifana nalezi ezivela

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ohlelweni lwamajele? Enye efana naleyo, akunjalo?

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Kukhona okufana nalokhu, vele. Kodwa
kulokhu, sinikeze incazelo eningiliziwe.

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Sesiyithumele lokhu kubameli. Ngizoyibonisa kafushane lapha.

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Sesithumele cishe amakhasi angama-20
wedrafti yokuqala kubameli. Bangasebenza ngalokho.

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KuMnu. Füllmich?

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KuMnu. Füllmich, sesiyithumele lokhu kubameli.

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Bese basebenza ngakho, baqhubeke phambili ngakho.

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Futhi okwamanje, izimo zokuboshwa nazo sezithambile.

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Ngokusekelwe emsebenzini wakho?

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Yebo, phakathi kwezinye izinto.

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Impela, abameli bazokuqhubeka nokusebenza nakho,
ngakho-ke bazoba nesengezo samalungelo abantu ngalesi sihloko.

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Kuhle kakhulu.

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Futhi-ke banethuba lokuqhubeka
nokusebenza nezinhlangano ezifanele.

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Uyathatha amadokhumenti ethu ngalolu daba.
Lokhu nakho kufakiwe ezimpikiswaneni zokuvala.

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Bese sibona imiphumela bese sihoxa.

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Asidingi ukwenza udaba olukhulu
ngalokhu. Kuzokwenzeka ngokuzenzakalelayo.

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Kodwa asinalo uxhumano nezindaba zobugebengu.

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Kulungile, kodwa masishiye lokhu
okwamanje eceleni, ngamanye amazwi:

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Uma ungazange wenze ucwaningo lwakho, ingabe uMnu.
Füllmich wayesazobe esebanjwe yedwa, ehlukaniswe nabanye?

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Ngakho wayesephazamisekile izinyanga
eziyisithupha ngaphambi kokuba singene phakathi.

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Ngakho senze lokho ngokuzimela. Asibizwa ukuba senze kanjalo.

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Sibhalisa, singena enkantolo ngemvume, silalela inqubo
yenkantolo, bese sikhuluma nommeli omkhulu

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wokuzivikela, sichaza isimo, bese bethatha umsebenzi bawuqhube.

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Kuhle. Kulungile, manje izimo zokuboshwa.

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Ingabe unomunye umzekelo lapho wena,
umbukeli, kanti mhlawumbe nathi...

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Hhayi-ke, kuyacaca ukuthi kuwukhumbuzo
ongathandeki kakhulu kimi lapho kumele sikhiphe umuntu ejele.

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Sinesimo somfazi oneminyaka engamashumi amane,
ngokombono wethu, ongakwazi ukubekwa icala ngenxa yezenzo zakhe.

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Sithole uhlobo oluthile lwesicelo esiphuthumayo kusihlwa.

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Ngemva kwalokho ngahamba ngaya eVechta
ejele. Le ntokazi ayifanele nhlobo ukuboshwa.

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Kwabonakala kanjani kulomama?

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Akakwazi ukuhamba nhlobo.

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Wawa ngosuku lokuqala lokwenziwa.

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Wayengeke asahamba, ngakho sahamba ngemoto saya lapho
futhi sazizwa siphoqelekile ukumkhipha lapho ngokushesha.

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Ngemva kwalokho ngawatamukela. Kumele ngisho,
ngakolunye uhlangothi, ungabeka kanjani umuntu onjalo ejele?

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Futhi ngakolunye uhlangothi, kumele siphinde sibonge abasebenzi
abagada, engikholwa ukuthi bajabule kakhulu ukuzisusa.

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Bengazi ukuthi benzeni ngaye. Wayewile, wayelimele.

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Isibhedlela sasiseduze nje, kodwa akekho owayekhathalela.

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Ngemuva kwalokho ngawakhupha ngawabhala phansi.

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Le ntokazi yayingakwazi ukuhamba
nhlobo – yayingahamba kuphela ngobuhlungu.

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Ngambusa esibhedlela, esasiseduze kakhulu.

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Baphinde bavakalisa imibono engemihle
futhi abazange bafune ukuyihlola kahle.

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Bese sibabeka ingcindezi enkulu, okusho
ukuthi sibeka inhlangano yethu ngemuva kwalokho.

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Besicasukile ngokwemvelo, kodwa saqhubeka.

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Bengisesibhedlela ubusuku bonke.
Lowesifazane wayesaba ngokuphelele, vele.

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Ngahlala eduze kwakhe kuze aqede ukuhlolwa kwakhe.

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Bese benqaba ukukhipha isitifiketi sokungafaneleki sokuboshwa.

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Yilapho nje esikwaziyo ukufinyelela khona.
Ngemva kwalokho ngamshiya endlini yomngane wakhe.

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Futhi okwenzeka ngaleso sikhathi
akusekho ngaphansi kolawulo lwethu.

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Kulungile, kodwa ake ngifingqe.

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Uma umuntu engafaneleki ukuba amangalelwe enkantolo
kodwa eboshwe, lokhu kuwukwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu.

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Karl Hummitzsch: Impela.

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Futhi yilapho ungene khona?

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Karl Hummitzsch: Yebo.

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Kuhle kakhulu, kuhle kakhulu! Futhi nikwazile ukukhulula lowo
wesifazane ejele nimnikeze ohlelweni lwezempilo. Kuhle kakhulu.

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Ingabe unomunye umcimbi wokwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu?

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Into ukuthi asikwazi ngempela ukucabanga ukuthi yiziphi
izinhlobo zokwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu ezikhona lapho.

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Ngokuhlangenwe nakho okusebenzayo – yiziphi
ezinye izimo ezibaluleke kakhulu ezifika engqondweni?

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Impela, sine izimo ezincane eziningi.

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Kodwa kukhona labo abaziwayo kahle, uma ngingachaza kabanzi.

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Yebo, ngiyacela.

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Thatha icala likaWalter Weber, isibonelo, udokotela.

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Kuthiwa kunezidokotela cishe eziyinkulungwane
ezisolwa ngokunikeza izitifiketi zokugqoka imaski.

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Kufanele futhi kubhekwe ukuthi kunezinkulungwane
zoodokotela abangakakhulumi lutho, kodwa thina sibhekene nabantu

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ababeqinisekile ukuthi kumele baxolelwe ngezizathu zezempilo.

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Walter Weber, isibonelo, ungudokotela wezomdlavuza, ngakho-ke
unokugula ngomdlavuza abadinga ngokuphuthumayo ukukhululeka.

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Waphakanyiswa enkantolo noma kunjalo.

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Ngahambela cishe zonke izinsuku zenkantolo.

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Kuyamangaza kakhulu uma ucabanga
ngalokho okwenzeke ngaphambilini.

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Hhayi nje esicilweni, kodwa nasenqubweni yenkantolo uqobo.
Sibiza lokhu njengohlobo lokwahlulelwa icala ngaphambilini.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi izinsuku
ezingama-27 zokulalelwa enkantolo sezihlelwe.

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KuDokotela Walter Weber?

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Ngaphambi kwesikhathi.

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Njengesithiyo, yilokho esikubona kanjalo.
Kufanele ucabange nge-euro ezingu-3 000.

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Izindleko ezincane ezengeziwe, abahloli nokunye
okunjalo, futhi ngokushesha ubheka ama-£100,000!

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Izigidi eziyikhulu zama-euro ngaphambi
kokuba achazwe enecala nganoma yini.

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Indoda ayinacala. Futhi izothola
ama-euro ayizinkulungwane eziyikhulu.

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Ngenxa yalokhu, uhlazisiwe ezithuthwini zomphakathi ngamaphosta.

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Kwabe sekufika abantu abayishumi nanhlanu, abaphoyisa abayishumi
nambili noma abayishumi nanhlanu, bemvakashela ekhaya.

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Ephethe isigqoko sokuzivikela kanye nazo zonke izesekeli.

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Ukwesatshiswa okungakaze kube khona komuntu
oneminyaka engu-80 ubudala nomkakhe ekhaya.

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Emva kwalokho, ngokuthi sahlela indawo, sathatha izithombe.

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Impela, umuntu angacabanga ukuthi kwakubukeka kanjani.

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Njengensimu yempi!

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Impela!

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Futhi bashicilela izithombe – asikwazi ukuqonda
ukuthi inkantolo ingenza kanjani into enjalo.

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Kukhona izethameli. Indawo yezethameli yayihlale igcwele.

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Bese babonisa wonke umuntu ukuthi ikhaya lakhe libukeka kanjani.

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Isihlazo, angisakwazi ukukhuluma.

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Ngakho-ke, njengokuphawula nje, kwenzekani kuwe kule
nqubo uma ugcina usephambi kwalesi simiso sobulungisa?

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Yebo. Imibuzo yezobulungiswa iyinto eyodwa.

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Ukuhlukunyezwa kwamalungelo abantu okubangelwa
ukwesatshiswa, ukwesaba, nokubhujiswa kwempahla ngenxa

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yokungenelela okunjalo nokusesha izindlu okunjalo.

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Lawa ukwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu. Futhi
yilapho bethatha khona izinyathelo. Kuhle kakhulu.

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Futhi uma usuzibeke ebubanzini obunjalo,
yiziphi izindlela ezingcono kakhulu zokuzivikela?

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Ngabe kukhona okuthile ongakusekela,
ongafuna ukukusekela, noma okufuna ukukusekela?

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Impela, kuwumsebenzi wethu ukusekela abantu
abahlukunyezwayo ngezindaba zamalungelo abantu.

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Asibhekani nezindaba eziphathelene nomthetho wobugebengu.

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Yilokho abameli abakwenzayo. Siyabasekela abameli.

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Isibonelo, njengamanje sine icala eHeidelberg elihilela umonakalo
wezitofu zokugoma, umonakalo omkhulu wezitofu zokugoma.

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Sisebenza ngqo namagqwetha, simelelwa ezinqubweni
zenkantolo, futhi ngifuna ukukhombisa ukuthi yiluphi

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umsebenzi esiwenzayo lapho ukuze abantu bakwazi ukuwucabanga.

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Abantu bahlale becabanga ukuthi bayaya lapho
ukuzoxoxa izindaba noma ukuzocaphuka. Akunjalo.

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Ngempela siyasebenza. Isibonelo, lapha sinedokhumenti
yecala lenkantolo eHeidelberg. Ngifuna nje ukukubonisa lokho.

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Lokho amakhasi amaningi kakhulu. Cishe zingaki amakhasi akhona?

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Lokho cishe amakhasi angama-70.

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Lokho kuwumphumela nje wokucacisa kwethu.

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Sichithe izinkulungwane zamakhasi
ezinkontilekeni, umonakalo wezitofu zokugoma, ngakho-ke

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izinkontileka neBioNTech nokunye okunjalo sezibhalwe.

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Kwathatha ukusebenza kwenyanga yonke. Futhi
njengoba ngishilo, leli yidokhumenti engakakabi khona.

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Futhi senza lokhu kube yitholakala kubameli
ababhekana namacala okulimala okubangelwa

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umuthi wokugoma. Kodwa kuphela uma kungafakazeka.

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Sidinga izinombolo zereferensi, sidinga
ummeli, bese sizokwenza lokhu kube khona mahhala.

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Ngakho-ke kuleli cala, umonakalo wezitofu
zokugoma njengokwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu.

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Yebo, ngempela. Lokho kuwukwephulwa
kwamalungelo abantu, njengoba sikubona.

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Abazombusazwe bahlale bethembisa
ukubhekana nalolu daba. Kodwa akwenzeki lutho.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi kumele sizame
ukuthola ukucaciswa ngenqubo yezomthetho.

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Ososayensi sebeze izikhathi ezide bezama ukurekhoda lokhu,
kodwa nabo bahlukunyezwa obala, ngokuthi abantu bangakholwa

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lokho abakusho uma kungahambisani nenqubomgomo kahulumeni.

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Ngakho-ke sinethuba lokuthi ithemba lokuthi
sizowina icala lethu enkantolo uma silungile.

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Kuhle kakhulu. Ngakho-ke, kulokhu kwaphulwa amalungelo abantu,
ikakhulukazi ilungelo eliyisisekelo

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lokuphelela komzimba, elaphulwa ngempumelelo
yalomjovo kanye nomonakalo owawubangelwa yilo.

13:05.918 --> 13:09.711
Lokhu kuhlobene nomonakalo womjovo wokugoma nezinkinga zamamaski.

13:09.711 --> 13:15.092
Njengoba futhi sabona ecala laseHamburg elihilela uWalter Weber,
ingcweti yenkantolo uDkt. Ondruschka,

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uProfesa uDkt. Benjamin Ondruschka, wathola ukuthi
ubufakazi obuncane bokuthi izimaski ziyasiza.

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Futhi ngokumelene negciwane
eliyingozi kunazo zonke, ubufakazi buyincane.

13:25.918 --> 13:30.709
Kodwa-ke uWalter Weber ugwetshwa
unyaka owodwa nezinyanga eziyishumi ejele.

13:30.709 --> 13:32.792
Yebo, futhi ukwesabisa ngaphezu kwalokho.

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Konke lokho.

13:33.250 --> 13:35.788
Futhi ukudicilela phansi esidlangalaleni. Lapho kuthiwa:

13:35.788 --> 13:41.246
Isithunzi somuntu asiphulwa. Kodwa
isithunzi sakhe siphulwe kakhulu.

13:41.246 --> 13:45.085
Futhi wayengeyedwa kuphela. Kwakukhona
odokotela abaningi abazizwa kanjalo.

13:45.085 --> 13:47.292
Baphucwa izindlela zokuziphilisa.

13:47.292 --> 13:53.042
Awusavunyelwe ukuba usebenze. Ilayisensi yakho yokwelapha isuswe.

13:53.042 --> 14:00.292
Imali engenayo ingu-zero. Siphinde sibe necala lapho owesifazane
ehlwempu futhi manje kumele ancike kosizo lwabamelwane.

14:00.292 --> 14:09.450
Ngamanye amazwi, ukuba khona kwabantu abangavezisi imibono
ehambisana nezombusazwe, abagcina isifungo sabo

14:09.450 --> 14:17.125
sikaHippocrates futhi bengasekeli imibono
nezimfuno zezombusazwe ezingekho ezisekelwe ubufakazi.

14:17.125 --> 14:20.542
Siyazi ukuthi abezepolitiki benze isinqumo sezepolitiki.

14:20.542 --> 14:24.542
Ngale ndlela, izinqumo zenkantolo nazo azisekelwanga bufakazi.

14:24.542 --> 14:32.063
Ngakho-ke, usho ukuthi manje, ngenxa yalezi zinqubo ze-RKI,
okusho ukuthi izinqubo ezivela eRobert Koch Institute,

14:32.063 --> 14:38.990
ezifakazela ukuthi kwakungekho sidingo sezinyathelo
ze-coronavirus, isibonelo, ukuthi kwakungekho sidingo

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sokugonywa, nokuthi kwakungekho ukuvikelwa kwangempela.

14:42.792 --> 14:51.500
Babeyazi lokho, futhi kwakungekho sidingo, kodwa kwenziwa.
Ngakho-ke le ndlela esekelwe kubufakazi yayingekho nhlobo.

14:51.500 --> 14:55.500
Yebo, ngalokhu asikwazi ukulindela
izinqumo zenkantolo ezisekelwe ubufakazi.

14:55.500 --> 14:59.209
Lokho kuyezombusazwe. Futhi-ke isinqumo naso
siyaphenduka sezombusazwe ngokuzenzakalelayo.

14:59.209 --> 15:02.306
Yebo, ngiyaqonda kahle kakhulu. Ngiyaqonda kahle kakhulu.

15:02.306 --> 15:06.083
Manje sesidlule ezimweni ezimbalwa.

15:06.083 --> 15:11.500
Unazo ezinye izibonelo ku-uhlu lwakho lwemikhiqizo, masithi?

15:11.500 --> 15:14.792
Yebo, impela sinazo izibonelo ezivela eHungary nasePoland.

15:14.792 --> 15:16.584
Nathi thina siqu sithinteka njengabavikeli bamalungelo abantu.

15:16.584 --> 15:17.918
Ingabe nawe uthinteke?

15:17.918 --> 15:23.319
Yebo, impela. Asingabantu abangathembekile
uma sivula izinto ezenziwe iziphathimandla,

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abezepolitiki kanye neziphathimandla zezomthetho.

15:26.709 --> 15:35.459
Umsebenzi wethu ukuqopha lokhu nokukushicilela
uma kungekho enye indlela yokukubhekana nakho.

15:35.459 --> 15:44.047
Ngakho-ke, abantu bakho uqobo, abakhankasela
amalungelo abantu, ukuhlonishwa kwamalungelo abantu, abamele

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abantu, nabo bahlukunyezwa iziphathimandla, nguhulumeni?

15:49.375 --> 15:52.542
Yebo, ngokusobala. Mhlawumbe ngingakugcizelela lokho.

15:52.542 --> 15:54.751
Yebo, ngenjabulo, ngenjabulo. Kuthakazelisa kakhulu.

15:54.751 --> 16:00.918
Isibonelo, sinomseki wenhlangano, u-Udo
Leibmann, ongumJalimane ohlala ePoland.

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Wahlaselwa kabi, cishe wabulawa,
wahlukunyezwa kabili, nokunye okunjalo.

16:08.542 --> 16:09.542
Uhlukunyezwe ngubani?

16:09.542 --> 16:13.217
ePoland, isibonelo, ngamaphoyisa.

16:13.217 --> 16:20.356
Wahlaselwa kabi kakhulu kangangokuba cishe waphila nje.
Impela uyaqhubeka nokusebenza futhi akanqikazi ukwesaba.

16:20.356 --> 16:24.841
Futhi, impela, ungomunye wabantu abahamba
phambili esinabo ngezindaba zamalungelo abantu,

16:24.841 --> 16:27.751
okungenani eJalimane, uma kungenjalo eYurophu.

16:27.751 --> 16:30.834
Yena, vele, uhlaselwa kakhulu ngenhloso yokumbulala.

16:30.834 --> 16:37.292
Ngemva kokungaphumeleli kwezinqubo enkantolo,
kwakumele afakwe esibhedlela sokwelapha izifo zengqondo.

16:37.292 --> 16:47.774
Kufanele ngisho ukuthi ummeli wethu, ophethe izinkantolo zamazwe
ngamazwe, unelayisensi lapho, ngakho-ke u-Attila Monostory

16:47.774 --> 16:57.125
eHungary nami sahamba ndawonye siya emhlanganweni nodokotela
wezokwelapha kwengqondo ePoland ukuxhasa u-Udo Leibmann.

16:57.125 --> 17:02.195
Saphumelela. Abakwazanga ukumfaka
esibhedlela sokwelapha izifo zengqondo.

17:02.195 --> 17:05.999
Uyaqhubeka nokusebenza. Okufanayo kungasho ngo-Attila Monostory.

17:05.999 --> 17:08.500
Ngingaphazamisa futhi kafushane?

17:08.500 --> 17:14.334
Yini uMnu. Leibmann ayenzile ePoland
ukuthi agcina eseNkantolo lapho, noma wenzani?

17:14.334 --> 17:18.083
Wayenikeze amazwana amabi mayelana nempi e-Ukraine.

17:18.083 --> 17:19.125
Futhi lokho kuwubugebengu?

17:19.125 --> 17:25.459
Lokho kuwubugebengu ePoland. Ungakuchaza
ngendlela ofuna ngayo, futhi wamangalelwa enkantolo.

17:25.459 --> 17:33.961
Asiboni ukuthi kuyaphakanyiswa izindaba ezibalulekile
ngempela, kodwa kunalokho zihlanganiswa ndawonye, ziguqulwa

17:33.961 --> 17:38.250
zibe ukuhlasela umuntu ngamunye, bese ziletha enkantolo.

17:38.250 --> 17:43.843
Futhi uma ungenazo izinqubo zenkantolo njengoba sazijwayele
esikhathini esedlule, kodwa esikhundleni salokho ihhovisi lommeli

17:43.843 --> 17:49.390
womphakathi noma izinkantolo zisephansi kwethonya lezepolitiki
– lokhu nakithi lapha eJalimane nakwamanye amahhovisi lommeli

17:49.390 --> 17:52.959
womphakathi, abophelelekile ngaphansi kwethonya lezepolitiki.

17:52.959 --> 17:54.755
Ummeli womphakathi akanakuzivikela ngokuqinisekile.

17:54.755 --> 17:57.626
Angakwenza, kodwa-ke umsebenzi wakhe wawuzophela.

17:57.626 --> 18:03.792
Ngakho lezi zincike futhi zikhona
ePoland, bese kwenzeka okuthile okufana nalokhu.

18:03.792 --> 18:09.792
Futhi uma ungatholi nhlobo intuthuko kuleli cala enkantolo,
njengoba kwakunjalo, khona-ke uya kudokotela wengqondo.

18:09.792 --> 18:17.334
Hhayi bo. Lowo uthi, kulungile, lo muntu
unomkhuba ongajwayelekile, kumele simvalele.

18:17.334 --> 18:21.843
Kulungile. Sasivele sahlelwe ukuhlangana
nodokotela wezifo zengqondo, sabese singena

18:21.843 --> 18:24.500
esakhiweni lapho kwenziwa khona lezi zivivinyo.

18:24.500 --> 18:31.500
Njengoba ngishilo, mina no-Attila savela ndawonye
nomeleli wezabezindaba, sabese siguqula isinqumo.

18:31.500 --> 18:39.295
Lokho kuzwakala njengosuku olumnyama lweSoviet
Union, lapho abaphikisi beboshwa, akunjalo?

18:39.295 --> 18:43.667
Futhi babeboshwa emagumbini okwelapha kwengqondo.

18:43.667 --> 18:47.167
Emagunjini abagula ngokwengqondo, yilokho okuyingozi ngakho.

18:47.167 --> 18:49.999
Awubulali muntu. Sibeka kanjani umzimba?

18:49.999 --> 18:52.959
Kunezindlela ezahlukene zokususa abantu.

18:52.959 --> 18:55.083
Impela, akufanele umuntu abulale muntu.

18:55.083 --> 18:58.962
Kodwa-ke, kulula ukususa umuntu ngokumthumela
esibhedlela sokwelapha izifo zengqondo; bese

18:58.962 --> 19:01.042
esehamba futhi ekhohlwa. Lapho efa, akekho oqaphelayo.

19:01.042 --> 19:01.459
Kuyathakazelisa.

19:01.459 --> 19:03.792
Bazame lokho no-Attila eHungary futhi.

19:03.792 --> 19:06.375
Bekuyini lokho? Kwenzekani?

19:06.375 --> 19:12.937
Wabamangalela abagembuli bezimali enkantolo
futhi wavikela abantu abaningi ababengizisulu

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zezimali, okungekho nhlobo okwakuthandwa nguhulumeni.

19:17.334 --> 19:24.492
Wembula inkohlakalo nezinye izinto ezinjalo, kwabe sekudingeka
bamkhiphe, ngakho bamshushisa ngokuthi unezinkinga zengqondo

19:24.492 --> 19:28.549
futhi bazama ukumfaka esigulini sabagula ngokwengqondo.

19:28.549 --> 19:34.459
Sinezihlatshelo phakathi kwabavikeli bamalungelo abantu.

19:34.459 --> 19:38.876
Lokhu sekusunguliwe yinsizakalo yesayensi.

19:38.876 --> 19:45.690
Ngo-2023, kwakukhona izinombolo zango-2021.
Ngikholelwa ukuthi abantu abangu-358, abavikeli

19:45.690 --> 19:50.292
bamalungelo abantu, babulawa ngo-2021 kuphela.

19:50.292 --> 19:56.136
Futhi ngezinkampani ezimbalwa ezikhona, umuntu angacabanga ukuthi
izinga liphezulu kakhulu; ngaphandle

19:56.136 --> 20:02.709
kokuhlukunyezwa nezinye izinto, ukuboshwa, ukuswela
izindlela zokuphila, konke kuhamba ngendlela efanayo.

20:02.709 --> 20:07.500
Futhi lokhu nakho sekubhalwe phansi yiPhalamende laseYurophu.

20:07.500 --> 20:11.250
Kulungile. Futhi ngabe wakwazi
ukukhulula umlingani wakho oseHungary naye?

20:11.250 --> 20:12.959
Yebo, siphumelele ukumshaya wabe eseqedwa.

20:12.959 --> 20:18.125
Usakhululekile namuhla futhi
angahamba-hamba futhi, aqhubeke nomsebenzi wakhe.

20:18.125 --> 20:25.417
Kuhle. Kodwa eJalimane kuhluke kunaseHungary
nasePoland. Basakhululekile, basakhona ngokukhululeka.

20:25.417 --> 20:27.459
Sesixwayisiwe, impela.

20:27.459 --> 20:32.876
Okokuqala, kumele ngisho ukuthi ngokwemvelo
sidinga futhi ukuqwashisa phakathi kwabantu!

20:32.876 --> 20:42.334
Uma sisesimweni sokuzimela, futhi njengalokhu
sisizana ngempumelelo, asikwazi ukuthembela kulokho.

20:42.334 --> 20:48.584
Nami ngihlaselwe. Bazame ukuthi... njengoba
ubona, sengingasakwazi ukucabanga nhlobo.

20:48.584 --> 20:50.542
Uxolo, yebo.

20:50.542 --> 20:53.083
Yingakho ngikhona lapha.

20:53.083 --> 20:55.834
Bazame futhi ukwenza ngimemezelwe
ngokusemthethweni ukuthi angikwazi ukwenza izinqumo.

20:55.834 --> 20:56.500
Ngempela?

20:56.500 --> 20:57.209
Yebo. Futhi-ke ukhiphe konke kimi.

20:57.209 --> 20:58.999
Akukholakali.

20:58.999 --> 21:01.241
Bese uyahlukunyezwa. Ngibizelwe ukuba ngivele enkantolo.

21:01.241 --> 21:03.792
Baphinde beza endlini yami bazama ukungena.

21:03.792 --> 21:06.568
Abantu abakaze bangibone. Abakaze bangibone empilweni yabo yonke.

21:06.568 --> 21:12.690
Kodwa bafuna ukungithathela ikhono lami
elisemthethweni ngoba sengidala noma yini.

21:12.690 --> 21:17.083
Angikaze ngiye emhlanganweni, kodwa ngathola
izeluleko ezinhle kakhulu ngokushesha nje.

21:17.083 --> 21:23.000
Siyazi ngamaqhinga angcolile, kumele ngibe qotho
ngalokho, angicabangi lutho olunye engingasho.

21:23.000 --> 21:28.999
Futhi masinyane sashayela abameli bethu
eJalimane ukuze bathole izeluleko ngokushesha.

21:28.999 --> 21:34.756
UBeate Bahner wangimela futhi wakwazi ukuxazulula
izinto ukuze ngingagcini egumbini labagula ngokwengqondo.

21:34.756 --> 21:37.999
Ngaphandle kwalokho, bengingeke ngibe lapha nani namuhla.

21:37.999 --> 21:42.641
Kuhle kakhulu. Kodwa uyichaza kanjani?

21:42.641 --> 21:56.167
Kungaba kanjani ukuthi e-demokhrasini yaseJalimane
eyisibonelo, inkantolo yezomthetho isebenza ngokumelene nabantu?

21:56.167 --> 22:05.240
Noma ake sithi kanje: ukusebenza ngokumelene nabavusa udweshu
abafuna ukudalula ukungahambisani ukuze kulungiswe ukuphulwa

22:05.240 --> 22:10.626
kwamalungelo? Kwenzeke kanjani lokho? Kungenzeka kanjani lokho?

22:10.626 --> 22:16.459
Impela, ngeke kushicilelwe ngalolu
hlobo ngabaphathi abaphethe lokhu.

22:16.459 --> 22:22.375
Lapha nalapha, kwesinye isikhathi siyakwazi
ukuthola ulwazi olungekho ngempela oluhloselwe thina.

22:22.375 --> 22:23.042
Kulungile, kungaba yini lokho?

22:23.042 --> 22:25.999
Ngiletha isibonelo salokhu.

22:25.999 --> 22:26.876
Ah, kuyathakazelisa.

22:26.876 --> 22:30.083
Mhlawumbe singakufunda lokhu lapha.

22:30.083 --> 22:30.959
Ngingabuka?

22:30.959 --> 22:33.834
Lokho kuvela eRhineland-Palatinate naseSaarland.

22:33.834 --> 22:41.081
Hawu. Kuthiwani? "Rhineland-Palatinate
neSaarland, uhlelo lokuqeqesha oluhlangene

22:41.081 --> 22:47.178
lwezobulungiswa lweRhineland-Palatinate neSaarland."

22:47.178 --> 22:54.018
Izakhamuzi zeReich, abaphika i-coronavirus,
izimfundiso zobuqili kanye nabalandeli bazo njengokwesabekayo

22:54.018 --> 22:57.959
nengozi ohlelweni lobulungisa. Lokho sekuphakeme kakhulu.

22:57.959 --> 22:58.918
Yebo.

22:58.918 --> 22:59.918
Ngakho-ke, lokhu sekudlulele kubo.

22:59.918 --> 23:02.959
Yebo. Ngezinye izikhathi sithola izinto ezifanele.

23:02.959 --> 23:06.000
Ngezinye izikhathi singabamba iqhaza
ezinhlelweni ezithile zokuqeqesha.

23:06.000 --> 23:08.918
Siyajabula lapho sithola isimemo esinjalo ngokungalungile.

23:08.918 --> 23:14.645
Nathi sinolwazi olwanele, kodwa asikakayitholi ukukhangiswa kuze
kube manje, yingakho siyabonga kakhulu ku-Kla.TV

23:14.645 --> 23:19.751
ngoba namuhla singakwazi ukubika indlela
esisebenza ngayo nokuthi senza umsebenzi obalulekile.

23:19.751 --> 23:27.819
Lokho kusho ukuthi, empeleni, lokho esisanda kukubala, abantu
abathi ngokwami manje sebebhekene nomonakalo wezitofu zokugoma

23:27.819 --> 23:34.976
ohlelweni lwezempilo, futhi manje ngisho nangenxa yokuhlolwa
kwamamaski – bavele bafakwa esigabeni sabaphikisi

23:34.976 --> 23:42.584
beCorona ngakho-ke bayinselele, bayingozi ohlelweni
lobulungisa. Futhi yilokho okukhulunywa ngakho ekuqeqeshweni?

23:42.584 --> 23:43.083
Yebo.

23:43.083 --> 23:48.999
Akumangazi ukuthi abantu abafana
nawe baphathwa njengezitha, akunjalo?

23:48.999 --> 23:50.655
Yebo. Futhi-ke silwa ukuze siphile.

23:50.655 --> 23:54.125
Ukuze sisize abantu esingabazi nhlobo.

23:54.125 --> 24:01.250
Futhi lokho kusho ukuthi silindele ukuthi
umphakathi uzinakekele amalungelo abo abantu kuqala.

24:01.250 --> 24:03.876
Asisekho esikhathini sika-Adenauer no-Helmut Schmidt.

24:03.876 --> 24:12.334
Siyavuma isidingo futhi sikhuthaza abantu ukuthi bathathe
umthwalo wamalungelo abo abantu futhi bangathembeli kwabanye.

24:12.334 --> 24:17.709
Sisiza labo abadinga usizo, labo abangakwazi ukuzisiza.

24:17.709 --> 24:23.999
Khona-ke sesifika lapho, futhi siphinde sibeke engcupheni
indlela yethu yokuphila nezimpilo zethu ukuze sisize abantu.

24:23.999 --> 24:29.115
Yebo, kuhle kakhulu. Kuhle kakhulu. Ngakho-ke,
ngalesi sixoxo esifushane esisibe naso,

24:29.115 --> 24:32.792
ngiyabona ukuthi unazo izandla ezigcwele, akunjalo?

24:32.792 --> 24:35.834
Ungasho kanjalo. Impela, akulula kanjalo.

24:35.834 --> 24:41.584
Asikwazi nje ukubuza wonke umuntu: Ungathanda ukujoyina nathi?
Siyazi ukuthi abantu abaningi bangathanda ukujoyina nathi...

24:41.584 --> 24:43.667
Kodwa ningathanda ukuba nabasebenzi abaningi?

24:43.667 --> 24:47.876
Yebo, ungakusho lokho. Kodwa hhayi nganoma yiliphi inani.

24:47.876 --> 24:53.049
Singakuthanda ukukhuthaza ezinye izinhlelo ezithile ezindaweni
ezahlukene, mhlawumbe lapho umuntu

24:53.049 --> 24:59.459
enentshisekelo yokuqhubeka nemfundo, ukuthi athathe
okuthile okuhlobene namalungelo abantu nokuvikela.

24:59.459 --> 25:00.334
Singakuthinta lapho?

25:00.334 --> 25:03.292
Noma ubani ofuna ukusetha lokhu angaxhumana nathi.

25:03.292 --> 25:06.542
Singanikeza ukuqeqeshwa neziluleko.

25:06.542 --> 25:11.867
Futhi uma sithola ukuthi othile
unentshisekelo yangempela yokubamba iqhaza, singacela

25:11.867 --> 25:14.999
futhi abantu balo mjikelezo ukuba babambe iqhaza.

25:14.999 --> 25:18.751
Thina eKomidi Lezimiso Sizoba Nesibopho Sokuvuma Lokhu.

25:18.751 --> 25:21.000
Futhi bangase basebenze ne-United for Freedom.

25:21.000 --> 25:22.999
Kuhle kakhulu.

25:22.999 --> 25:30.834
Lokho kusiphethela ingxoxo yethu yanamuhla.

25:30.834 --> 25:36.918
Lokho okusitshele ngokuhlangenwe nakho
kwakho kwangempela bekunolwazi oluningi.

25:36.918 --> 25:45.709
Futhi sizokukhombisa ukuthi noma ubani onentshisekelo
ofuna ukuzibandakanya nokusisekela angaxhumana nathi kuphi.

25:45.709 --> 25:48.751
Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngengxoxo emangalisayo, Mnu. Hummitzsch.

25:48.751 --> 25:57.626
Sifisela wena namqeqeshi bakho bonke amandla
amaningi nokubekezela ekwenzeni imisebenzi yenu.

25:57.626 --> 25:58.667
Ngiyabonga kakhulu.

25:58.667 --> 26:01.584
Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kusisondeza isinyathelo eduze kwabantu.

26:01.584 --> 26:09.459
Ungabona ukuthi asiyena izigebengu, kodwa sifuna ngempela
ukusiza abantu. Lona umsebenzi wethu, futhi akukho okunye.

26:09.459 --> 26:11.375
Kuhle kakhulu.

26:11.375 --> 26:12.083
Ngiyabonga.

26:12.083 --> 26:12.626
Kuyinto nje.